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way and prefacing all of this by saying

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that I know that the conversation was meant

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well and was said with love but you

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refer to Lola as a trans man

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or potentially a cross-dresser and That

2:13

is not true Lola is a

2:16

trans woman There's

2:19

a there's a moment where the the

2:22

two of you you know talking about the raincoats

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and it's

2:30

It's incorrect. I mean factually we know that

2:32

Lola is based off of a real trans

2:34

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you get your podcasts. I'm

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trans lives and I know

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that you all meant well but it missed

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the mark in a way that was

5:00

upsetting to hear to say the least. Happy

5:04

to discuss more. I know this is a

5:06

long voicemail but I listened to it and I've been thinking about it

5:08

all day and I thought I would send you this. It's

5:11

always frustrated me as a critic

5:13

from, you know, since I was

5:15

a 17-year-old fanzine writer to not

5:18

have other critics want to engage.

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I think that, I mean, this is what it's about,

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right? This is why we fell in love with

5:26

music and sharing our opinions. It's that

5:28

conversation you have with other people who

5:30

care as passionately as you do. Yeah,

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I love it. I'm really grateful to be here.

5:36

No, and I'm glad. I

5:38

think it's exhausting for trans

5:40

colleagues and friends to always

5:42

have to be correcting the language and

5:44

you called me out on what was

5:47

a valid slip, right? We

5:49

can get into Lola, but,

5:51

you know, Lola is

5:53

either a trans woman or

5:56

a cross-dresser, right? Depending on the

5:58

vast literature about that song.