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Yeah, my friends Howard and Jessica of

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Plotting Through The Presidents have just started

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their new season and you need to

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go check it out! The. First

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episode is called the John Adams Diet

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and know before he get any ideas.

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This ain't a health podcast based on

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the eating habits of our nation's leaders.

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It is a deeply researched L B

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It humorous storytelling show. That. Explores

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the lesser known tales of the

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early President's the Founders, and even

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their families. From. The real

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reason Alexander Hamilton and John Adams

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hated each other? To the truth

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behind Ben Franklin's naughty reputation. If.

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Even covered stuff is wild is

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the story of John Quincy Adams

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and the More people to Winston

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Churchill's nude White House encounter with

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the ghost of Abraham Lincoln. And.

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Of course The Bell, which makes

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an appearance when they're talking about

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Old Hickory. So y'all go follow,

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plotting through the President's to plot

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your favorite podcast app, and of

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enjoyable seasons. That's plodpod.com. Southern.

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Gothic is a podcast that

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explores the history behind some

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of the American South's darkest

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days, greatest mysteries and most

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chilling ghost stories. Are.

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Most recent episode of Southern

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Gothic we covered the brutal

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and unsolved murder of Mamie

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Thurman. A. West Virginia woman

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who will go or claims is

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now haunting twenty two Main Road

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upon Trace Mountain where her body

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was discovered almost a century ago.

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Well. In that episode, we

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discuss some of the mystery surrounding

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them. Murder and I told you about

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several of the series that have been

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presented over the years. However,

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there is one other mystery that

2:08

has to do with Mamie, although.

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I. Don't necessarily think it has to

2:12

do with the haunting itself. Usual.

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Author Ftp Davis had to say

2:18

about it in his book The

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Secret Life in Brutal Death of

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May Me Thurman. Perhaps.

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Confusion and questions about Mamie

2:27

could be squelched if someone

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could point to the woman's

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grade stolen and see clear

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consistency and public documentation. However,

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that doesn't seem promising.

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For years citizens have searched for

2:41

the location of maybe his burial

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place. This is a

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question that continues to baffle

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one. Hot investigators, reporters and

2:50

researchers. Says if are

2:52

dead body disappeared after the

2:54

well attended the funeral service

2:56

where as her final resting

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place. You.

3:05

Heard that right. No one

3:07

actually knows where Mimi's buried.

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So. In today's many so we're going

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to explore some of the possibilities and

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what you decide if this part of

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the mystery has more to. And

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meets the eye. Some

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time And Nineteen Eighty Two,

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George, a more since junior

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of retired lawyer and prosecutor

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from New Mexico. Discover.

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To a half sister named

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Mamie Thurman. You

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see back in Nineteen Twenty

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One. about two decades after

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leaving Young May Me and

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said with their maternal grandparents,

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George Sr. married a woman

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named Viola Paw and the

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pair had three children Allen.

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Sarah and George junior. This

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marriage ended not long after Jr

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was born and George Sr. died

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suddenly from pneumonia. Nineteen Twenty eight,

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Sir George Junior, His mother moved

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to Ashland, Kentucky and. As.

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A result, he never even had the

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opportunity to meet his half sister maims.

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Who's twenty five years his senior.

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Well. You can imagine our surprise George

4:26

Junior was when he learned about this

4:28

connection and. As. A result, he

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decided to head to Logon to investigate

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the case for himself. After

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all, throughout his career, George Junior

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it spent time working as both

4:39

a journalist and a lawyer. So.

4:41

He knew exactly what he was doing. Unfortunately

4:44

when he got to West Virginia

4:47

and went to pay his respects

4:49

to Mamie. it though Logan Memorial

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Park Cemetery and Mcconnell. He

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discovered that not only was there no

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marker, But. Nobody even knew where

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his half sister was buried. To.

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Make matters worse depending on which

5:04

documents you look at. It.

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Wasn't even clearer shoes in West Virginia

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at all. According. To

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the newspapers, it's time following

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her funeral and neighbor Memorial

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Church. Main his body was

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to be taken by train to Bradford

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Vil Kentucky. Where. Should be buried

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in the Old Liberty Cemetery. The.

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Police were her husband, Jack Thurman

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was later laid to rest and

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nineteen fifty seven. But.

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According to her death certificate, George.

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Junior was right to visit or in Mcconnell.

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As it's stated, she was entered at

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the Wogan Memorial Park. But.

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As I said. There's no headstone

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in West Virginia. Or. Even

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Kentucky. Morrison's.

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Research into exact whereabouts made this

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even more baffle in is Not

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only had she never appeared on

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any of the cemeteries maps over

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the years, But. There were also no

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records of anyone in her family ever even

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owning a plot. And. Mcconnell.

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Ft. Davis also added that the

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church where her funeral was held.

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Added. To the mystery by not keeping

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any records of for burial either.

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Our way. Well kept records are always

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a part of neighbor church. However,

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the records from Nineteen Thirty One

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and Nineteen Thirty Two showed no

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listing of Mamie Thurman has been

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a member. Were frequent visitor of

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the Assembly. She wasn't

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mentioned as a church worker, and

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there were no baptismal records. No

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data exists at a By for

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Burial location or her church funeral

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service. No. Trace of information

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existed in the church. One.

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Spokesperson for the church said it's

6:44

as if the sermons never existed.

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But. We know they did. In.

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Spite of all of this though,

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it does seem that the newspapers

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accounts that made me Thurmond body

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was taken to Kentucky. Were. In

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fact, wrong. At least

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according to statements made by several

7:03

individuals at the time. You

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see, When. Funeral Director Rb.

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Harris testified at the murder trial

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about the condition of maybe his

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body. He. Was asked where it

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was at that point in time. And

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his response was that they quote. Buried

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it at the Logan Memorial Park. Mimi's.

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Husband Jack was also questioned about

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this and when you specifically asked

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if she was buried in Logan

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he corrected them. Same quote out

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at Mcconnell. And

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addition, when grave digger Lz Burgess

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was interviewed back in the

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eighties, he claimed that he specifically

7:42

remembers digging Mamie Thurmond's grave with

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his father all those years

7:47

ago and Wogan Memorial Park. Insisting.

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That she was buried just below the

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Steel Family Monument. Burgess

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also claim that there was a marker their

7:57

at one point, but it had been nothing

7:59

more than. The temporary metal marker

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placed by the funeral home and

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that he didn't remember ever seen

8:05

an actual tombstone placed on her

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Grace. Which. If true

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is yet another mystery. You.

8:13

See many funeral seem to be

8:15

pretty costly and if Jack Thurman

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was able to afford that expense,

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Why? Couldn't he afford to put a stone on

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her grave as well? One.

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Suggestion is that maybe by that

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point after all the information came

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out about her affairs, he was

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just so disappointed and angry about

8:33

the betrayal that he just refused

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to do it. Or. Maybe

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someone else pay for the funeral

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and all those conspiracy theories about

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local corruption are also to blame

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for this. Honestly,

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Would. Never know. George.

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Junior passed away in two thousand and seven.

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Having never discovered the final resting place

8:55

of his half sister. However,

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Logan. Attorney and now Magistrate Dwight

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Williamson spent quite a bit of

9:03

time looking into this after meeting

9:05

with George Junior all those years

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ago. And he seems to

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have connected the dots in some ways or

9:11

another and come up with the most logical

9:14

explanation of all. Mamie. Was

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buried in one of the to

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lots owned by C. Chambers. One.

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Of the defense attorneys representing

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Stevenson and Robertson. Records.

9:25

Show that Chambers own two pots

9:28

there and Wogan Memorial Park. But.

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He and his wife whenever buried

9:32

there. So Williamson

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concludes that. Chambers may have

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offered one to Jack for his wife

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and. That. Is. Where

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Mamie was laid to rest. Beneath.

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The Steel Family Monument. Now.

9:47

Is this adjacent mystery have anything

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to do with why Mamie Spirit

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haunts Twenty Two Mine Road. Not.

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According to local war. But.

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Still, It's another part.

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The legend. Continues to live

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on. After. Over a century.

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My name is Brandon Shack

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Snyder. And. You been listening. To

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southern Gothic. Y'all

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my friends Howard and Jessica of plotting

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through the Presidents of just started their

10:27

new season and you need to go

10:29

check it out! The. First episode

10:31

is called the John Adams Diet

10:33

and know before you get any

10:35

ideas, this ain't a health podcast

10:37

based on the eating habits of

10:39

our nation's leaders. It is a

10:41

deeply researched L B. It's humorous

10:43

storytelling show that explores the lesser

10:45

known tales of the early presidents,

10:47

the founders, and even their families.

10:50

From. The real reason Alexander Hamilton

10:52

and John Adams hated each other

10:54

to the truth behind Ben Franklin's

10:56

naughty reputation if even covered stuff

10:58

is wild is the story of

11:01

John Quincy Adams and the most

11:03

people, Sir Winston Churchill's nude White

11:05

House encounter with the ghost of

11:07

Abraham Lincoln and of course The

11:09

Bell, which makes an appearance when

11:11

they're talking about Old Hickory. So

11:14

y'all go follow applauding through the

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President's to plod along with Howard

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and Jess and check out plodpod.com.

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For links to your favorite

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podcast app, and of course,

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enjoyable seasons. That's plot odd.com.