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Hi, my name is Benny Johnson.

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As some of you know, I've been struggling

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with addiction. However,

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I decided to change my life and went

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into recovery. I started

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this podcast 90 days clean and

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I want to take you along in my journey. What

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does lie ahead of me? Let

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me be frank. I do not know. Will

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I ever drink again? I

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do not know. This is how

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Stairway to Redemption was born. It

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is my search for answer in a real time

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process of what is going to work for

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me. It is then my aspiration

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to help you figure out what is going to work

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for you. It is our

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journey together. Hello,

1:09

and welcome to another episode

1:11

of Stairway to Redemption. Today,

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we are going to talk about hypnotherapy. Yes.

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Hypnotherapy has been a very

1:19

popular method to address trauma, especially

1:22

childhood trauma and help

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with not only trauma recovery,

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but in addiction recovery as well,

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as we know, a lot of addiction is,

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uh, due to trauma,

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you know, our relationship with trauma

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and today's guest is

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RTT hypnotherapist and emotional

1:41

healer, Carolina Fisher. To

1:44

educate us on this topic. So hi,

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Carolina, how are you doing?

1:48

Hi, Benny. How are you?

1:50

I'm doing well. I'm doing well. So

1:52

here at the Stairway to Redemption

1:55

podcast, the first question is the

1:57

state of the mind address, uh, it's, uh,

1:59

basically, how are you doing lately?

2:01

Like something deeper than I'm just doing fine

2:04

or not fine.

2:06

Yeah. So, yeah, I'm,

2:08

um, doing good. I'm still going to start with this.

2:11

All right. That's good.

2:14

Yeah. I always, you know, as a hypnotherapist

2:16

and emotional healer, I always definitely

2:18

work on myself. Right. I always try

2:21

to become aware of deeper layers

2:23

and especially with having kids where

2:25

you get confronted with a lot

2:27

of, uh, things daily. As

2:30

they grow up, I

2:32

am, um, yeah,

2:34

I'm, I'm working on a lot of things at

2:36

the same time, but at the moment, I think I could

2:38

say boundaries is my issue.

2:41

Like when I go deeper, right, like boundary

2:44

setting, uh, being more assertive

2:46

because I like to flow through life, you know, and

2:48

I like to be very loving and kind and that's

2:50

just how I like to be. But

2:52

I realized, um, you

2:55

know, certain people don't take that so well,

2:57

right? Like where I need to set boundaries.

2:59

I mean, I'm still going to be kind, but I'm going to set boundaries

3:02

and say, okay, this far and not further.

3:04

Right. Something I

3:06

am learning at the moment, right?

3:08

Because open and it's

3:11

just my natural, um,

3:13

how I am. Uh, and it

3:15

feels a little unnatural to say, no, okay,

3:18

no, I want it like this, right.

3:20

And not, and we can't, I can't

3:22

compromise this time.

3:24

Oh, all right. That's actually very

3:26

good. I didn't think about talking about

3:28

boundaries and energy people, but now

3:30

I'm going to probably ask a question about that later,

3:33

especially in your field. Of work,

3:35

but, uh, thank you for sharing that.

3:37

And okay, so let's start with,

3:40

well, what is your story? How did you

3:42

come in contact of, with, sorry,

3:45

with hypnotherapy, especially after

3:47

starting as a MD?

3:49

Well, I got in touch with it. So with

3:52

the subconscious work, right? Because hypnotherapy

3:55

is working with the subconscious of a person

3:57

and talk therapy, right?

3:59

The regular, um, conventional

4:02

therapy, which I, I think it's

4:04

great, right? But it works with the consciousness.

4:07

And the consciousness is often,

4:10

you know, we are often going in circles, right?

4:12

Because we just, um, can't

4:14

fight that transformation because in our brain

4:16

we can always think differently,

4:18

right? Um, and, uh,

4:21

so how I came in contact the first time

4:23

was With the subconscious work was

4:25

through family, uh, system therapy,

4:28

and that was in Austria. When I used to live in Austria,

4:30

that was in med school. And that

4:33

was overwhelming for me the first time.

4:35

And then the second and third time I did that,

4:37

it was really like physically altering

4:40

me because I did it as a patient,

4:42

as a client, right? Where I was really like, all

4:45

was unlocking, right? I mean, I didn't even

4:47

know my jaw was so tense, but I could really

4:49

feel, ooh, bodily, something

4:51

shifted. When we address something

4:53

subconsciously and that

4:55

was that and I'm just your

4:58

question actually let me reminisce

5:00

on that or let me remember that because.

5:03

Then again, I was here

5:05

already for a longer time and

5:08

in, in the States, right? I moved here and

5:10

then I, I

5:13

felt like, you know, I wanted to work on myself

5:15

again, and there were issues coming up and

5:17

I realized just talking about

5:19

it is great. And I have an amazing awareness,

5:22

right? And people were like, Oh, you have such good awareness.

5:24

But I realized the awareness alone is

5:26

not letting me shift in my life.

5:28

Mm hmm.

5:29

And then I found out about Marissa

5:31

Pierce, RTD hypnotherapy. And

5:34

I just felt drawn to it. And

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from that on, I was just like,

5:39

okay, I'm going to do this training. And I

5:42

pretty quickly did. And

5:44

so the subconscious, what I learned

5:46

from working with the subconscious, it's

5:49

just that the topics,

5:51

the habits, the patterns, when you talk

5:54

about addiction or childhood trauma, that

5:56

they are usually in the subconscious, right?

6:00

The word there, and we don't

6:02

have access in our daily life.

6:04

So that's why it's so powerful. And

6:07

so in my own experience, once

6:09

I started working with the subconscious with

6:11

myself, I saw changes

6:13

in my life and

6:16

not only being able to

6:18

identify, but really a behavioral

6:20

change, right? And not somebody

6:22

else telling me, Oh, you need to do this instead of

6:24

this, but really it

6:27

came out from me to behave a certain way

6:29

or to perceive the world a different way.

6:32

And so, yeah,

6:34

I don't know if I even, um, directly

6:38

replied to your question, but

6:41

that's how hypnotherapy

6:43

works, right? It's really on that subconscious

6:46

level.

6:46

Mm hmm. Yeah. Um,

6:49

no, yeah, you did. Uh, like my

6:51

question was also how you go, so

6:53

like, from what, uh,

6:56

I gathered so far, You

6:59

got in touch with hypnotherapy for

7:01

personal reasons, but at the time

7:04

you were training as a MD.

7:06

I had already finished that training. Oh,

7:09

okay. Uh, and

7:11

then I just

7:14

felt drawn to it. Yeah, I was really

7:16

like on the quest of my own answering

7:19

my own questions and healing myself. And

7:21

then, I mean, myself or with help, of course,

7:24

right. Um, but then,

7:26

and then I found Marisa Peer

7:28

online RTT and

7:30

then I think it didn't take

7:32

long when I was so convinced that I said, yeah,

7:34

I want to train in this. And I had already

7:36

prior started to working as an emotional

7:39

healer where I've

7:41

dived into body subconscious,

7:43

but she gave me a concrete tool

7:46

and she also, I was also certified

7:48

then, you know, like, and definitely.

7:51

Yeah. So there were, these were

7:53

my reasons for training with her.

7:56

Um, before we

7:59

dwell in the, um, in

8:01

the reasons why, uh,

8:03

hypnotherapy should be

8:06

used or work. Um,

8:08

describe to us how a typical

8:10

hypnotherapy session looks like.

8:13

So the typical one is three hours

8:15

long. And

8:19

that's good. I see you now because I,

8:21

that was, that is the look I usually get.

8:24

Hours. Okay.

8:28

In the return, it gives you really Transformation.

8:31

Right. And usually my clients are like, what,

8:33

it's three hours already. You know,

8:35

um, because it goes fast. So the ha

8:37

the first half hour, we

8:39

talk about the issue on a conscious level.

8:42

Right.

8:42

Yeah.

8:43

And usually I also get an intake

8:45

before where the client feels out already.

8:47

You are in the consultation. I find more

8:50

information about them already. And

8:52

then we go into the hypnosis where

8:54

we go with one or two questions,

8:57

right? Let's say I'm coming in.

8:59

to a hypnotherapist

9:01

and I say, okay, I

9:03

have an issue with, um, addiction

9:06

with food. I, I just, I

9:09

can't stop eating sweets and it's bad

9:11

for me. I have already this and this showing

9:13

up in my blood, right? And I need to do something,

9:15

but I can't, right? And I'm very disciplined in other

9:18

areas, but with food, I can't stop

9:20

once I start, right? And

9:22

so we're going to go into the subconscious,

9:25

I mean, we're going to talk more, but we're going to go into the conscious

9:27

asking, why can't

9:30

I stop or why can't I be more

9:32

disciplined when it comes to sweets or

9:34

why can't I stop eating sweets? Or

9:37

we can also, if we find out on the conscious

9:39

level that already, okay,

9:42

food gives me emotional,

9:44

uh, it, it feels me emotionally,

9:47

right? It makes me feel like I'm not so alone.

9:49

Then we can say, okay, why? Do I use

9:52

food to fill me up, right?

9:54

For example. Then we go into

9:56

the subconscious, and I always say, then

9:59

scenes are gonna come up, right? And we always

10:01

sense scenes. So a scene

10:03

from our life, basically, I would say, now

10:06

we're going back to a scene that is

10:08

the exact reason why

10:10

I can't be more disciplined with food today,

10:12

or why I use food

10:15

to emotionally fill me up, right? And

10:18

the scene for different people. It

10:20

might be different, right? For some people, they see

10:23

it when they have, you have your eyes closed, they

10:25

see exactly everything and

10:27

they hear it and some smell it, some people

10:29

just feel it, right? They can't

10:32

see it. It's different with everybody,

10:34

right? It's very individual. And

10:37

then let's say I come up with a scene, right?

10:40

Where, where I'm

10:42

alone, where I'm, let's say five years

10:44

old or seven years old, and I'm

10:47

sad and nobody's

10:49

here for me. My mother can't deal

10:52

with my tears because she just says, Oh, stop

10:54

crying. You know, it's not so bad,

10:56

blah, blah, blah. And she's just

10:58

leaving. And there's a cake

11:00

there, right? And I eat the cake,

11:02

and I feel so good, right, and I feel like,

11:05

oh, this is making me feel better now,

11:07

right, because nobody else made me feel better,

11:09

right, and as a five or a seven year old, I

11:11

depend on other people teaching me, being

11:13

here for me, right, even as a 30

11:15

year old, I depend on other people making me feel

11:17

better when I feel sad, right, I want that

11:20

I can, you know, a shoulder

11:23

to cry on, right? We, we need a

11:25

lifelong, right? But especially as a child, because

11:27

we learn how to deal with those overwhelming

11:29

things. And then I eat the cake, right?

11:31

And in my subconscious is stored

11:35

when I feel bad, when I cry,

11:37

when it's sad, I can eat something

11:40

sweet and it makes me feel better, right? And

11:42

it's not the best way. But it's the way

11:44

I learn in this moment. So

11:47

that could be right. And then in hypnotherapy,

11:49

we would take that scene and we

11:51

would be that five or seven year

11:53

old again, because that's still in me, right? That's

11:56

my child. We call it on my younger

11:58

self. And then that Carolina,

12:00

that younger version of me would say. Mom,

12:04

right? She would see mom in front and she would say

12:06

mom or mommy or however I called her

12:08

or somebody called her. Why

12:10

didn't you? I wish you would have hugged

12:13

me. I wish you would have taken my emotions

12:15

seriously, right? She can say

12:17

everything that she couldn't say because nobody listened

12:19

to her on that level, right? She can really express

12:21

herself emotionally and that changes

12:23

your entire life, believe me. Like, saying

12:26

that changes the 30

12:29

now, you know? Uh, because

12:33

Everything we suppress, right? And words are so

12:35

powerful, is suppressed and

12:37

stays inside. So if that five year old

12:39

can say it now, it's never too late.

12:41

It's really changing everything up until now

12:43

in me. So I say that and then I can

12:46

say, you know, whatever else is

12:48

there that I wish. And then I can

12:50

say, you know, I used

12:52

food. Now I can see I used

12:54

food to give me what you,

12:57

what I wish you had given me. Right. But

13:00

now I can see that. So I'm going

13:02

to give you back that inability

13:05

to console me. To be here for me

13:07

on that level, and I'm

13:09

going to be here for me that in that level, or

13:12

I let other people be here for me on that

13:14

level, right? Get that opportunity

13:17

because often we also then close up and

13:20

we don't let anyone else be here for us

13:22

like that because we think it's normal

13:24

what our mother did, right? I'm

13:27

trying to make a mother bad here, right?

13:29

Yeah, I get

13:29

it.

13:30

They always do the best they can, right? So

13:32

I'm not for blaming. We also don't do blame,

13:34

but we just look at what it

13:36

did in you. And then

13:39

through those words, right? And then you can say, okay, I'm

13:41

giving you that back. And really imagine

13:43

giving something back. And

13:46

that changes something in you because now you don't carry

13:48

that anymore. Right? You don't carry that

13:51

thinking that, oh, it's too much

13:53

for someone when I cry. Oh, I

13:55

must be so hysterical. Probably when I

13:57

cry, I'm too much. Right. So that

14:00

all goes then. And then,

14:02

you know, often tears are

14:04

coming, right. And because, you know,

14:06

we, we, we cry that out and

14:08

then immediately, or obviously right

14:10

afterwards, the relationship

14:12

to sweets is changed,

14:14

right.

14:14

I use that

14:17

to make me feel better when I cry. Now

14:20

I'm using something else. Now I can say, okay,

14:22

no, I'm going to call my friend next time, but

14:24

I'm sad. I'm gonna. My friend,

14:26

I'm going to do this or that. Um,

14:30

so, and there are, so scenes coming

14:32

up, but there are other ways

14:34

I used to heal then in hypnosis,

14:37

right? When we, that's one. And I

14:39

think, yeah.

14:41

Well, okay. Yeah. Ooh, that's,

14:44

there's a lot to impact there. That's a toy.

14:46

Thank you. Thank you for the, but

14:48

like our, I'm always curious,

14:51

like, first of all, um,

14:53

I was subconscious when I was subconscious,

14:55

very stuff, right. It's in

14:58

order to protect us, right?

15:02

Very good.

15:03

Yeah.

15:04

Very. So I always say

15:06

also, um,

15:09

you know, only those scenes,

15:11

because I have clients come and say, well,

15:13

what do you think this and this comes up? But what if

15:15

something comes up that I can't take, your

15:19

subconscious protects you, even

15:22

when we dive into the subconscious,

15:24

it will only give free. What it

15:26

knows you are able to

15:28

handle today.

15:30

Really? How? I'm

15:34

curious, because like, uh, you

15:36

know, like, since it's the subconscious

15:39

and you're not conscious of it, can

15:41

you put a limit on what

15:44

you are unraveling?

15:46

That's a really good question. And

15:49

looking back now, there were, I

15:51

want to say some clients, things

15:53

were come up, would come up that overwhelmed

15:56

them a little,

15:56

here to

15:57

support, right? And

15:59

that's why, I mean, you need to do that with

16:02

someone, right, that has done that before.

16:04

Uh, and the

16:08

support helps you to deal with it then.

16:11

Uh, but even the subconscious, I, I

16:13

always say here

16:15

we have our intelligence of the brain, right? Mm-Hmm.

16:17

And then our body, our subconscious is the intuition,

16:20

the intelligence of our body. So

16:22

I still, yeah, I believe that

16:24

although it's the subconscious, you

16:27

are coming up with the scene, right? Yeah. I'm

16:30

not ing you to come up with any

16:32

scene, right? Mm-Hmm. still

16:34

believe you come up with the scenes

16:36

that are important right now. The

16:38

scenes that you are able to

16:41

deal with right now. Mm-Hmm? So. That's

16:44

still my belief and my experience

16:46

also, right? Like I said, I

16:48

had scenes come up sometimes with clients

16:51

that were very unexpected

16:53

and, um, Um,

16:56

yeah, very, um, surprising,

17:00

but nothing in the end they couldn't

17:02

handle in that moment with help.

17:05

Right.

17:05

Okay. I see. So

17:08

that's so my following

17:11

up question with that. So,

17:14

uh, there's, this is a two part question. So

17:16

since you said, like, you know, the

17:18

subconscious doesn't come up,

17:20

there's no thing that comes up that

17:23

you cannot handle. Yeah. Because

17:26

even if it's a subconscious, like

17:28

there's some kind of limit there

17:30

to what you can handle, does it

17:32

mean that like, at first, let's

17:34

say like somebody come for a first session,

17:38

you know, uh, what they, what

17:40

they unravel, what their subconscious unravel

17:42

at first is milder

17:45

than what later sessions

17:48

with you. So like they go deeper

17:50

and deeper and like more severe trauma

17:52

later on. Yeah.

17:54

That's a really good question. So

17:57

I do believe once people come

17:59

in with a certain topic, right, they

18:02

are ready to unravel a lot

18:04

of it. Right. Domain. So

18:08

with me, it's usually people come in with one topic

18:11

and then later they

18:13

want to work on something else. So they want

18:15

a little, they want a shorter session

18:18

because we do the three hour session on one

18:20

topic and then they can book shorter

18:22

sessions to talk about it later, right. And

18:24

about their progress and about, um,

18:26

But then usually the next three hour session is

18:29

usually about a different topic, because

18:31

usually the unraveling is

18:33

really working.

18:36

It always brings the right stuff

18:38

up, actually, the, the thing that they

18:41

need to transform the

18:43

issue. Like when it comes to tweets now,

18:45

the example I gave, right. I've

18:48

never had anyone that didn't

18:51

come up with scenes that

18:53

would help them get, transform

18:56

that. So, um,

19:00

Yeah, so I'm, I'm thinking, you know,

19:02

maybe some scenes don't come up, but

19:04

the scenes that come up are enough

19:07

or other ones that are enough, right?

19:11

So what I'm, how I, what

19:13

I also tried, because I'm remembering your question,

19:15

right? Um, what

19:17

I'm thinking is as soon as you open up sometimes

19:20

also when they need to fill out the intake form,

19:22

right? I think you

19:24

are already geared subconsciously. It's

19:27

already gathering somehow, right? Like

19:29

the, you're opening up

19:31

to that topic. So I

19:33

do believe there's a protection and I want to just

19:35

reply to what you said before also,

19:39

because it is protection. Even when

19:41

I described that

19:44

scene that I just made up right with,

19:46

I'm eating cake because I'm not

19:49

consoled in the moment, um,

19:52

is basically, like you said,

19:54

it is a coping mechanism, right?

19:58

And in that sense, It is

20:00

protecting me, right? So everything,

20:02

so often I say those coping

20:04

mechanisms and those survival

20:07

mechanisms, they are helping

20:09

us survive, right? They are important.

20:13

I can see that as an adult, um,

20:15

it might be in your way, right? As a kid,

20:18

it might be important to survive,

20:21

to dissociate, right? Or to, um,

20:23

rationalize something that you shouldn't

20:25

need to rationalize. But as a child,

20:28

it's important, but as an adult, it's usually in

20:30

your way and you can give it up.

20:32

Okay. I see. And, um,

20:34

yeah, so when you,

20:36

when people come to you, do

20:38

you, how strong

20:41

the subconscious can be good at burying

20:43

things? Because, I'm, I'm

20:46

sure you have, you know, um,

20:48

among your clients, people who are like

20:50

already predisposed to

20:53

experience something new and

20:55

you had other who are like very skeptical

20:57

and just try because

20:59

there is nothing else or like they were maybe

21:02

forced to try, but like where

21:04

their situation where like you were like, Ooh,

21:06

that person's subconscious is

21:08

really strong.

21:10

That's a really good question. I don't, I'm,

21:13

I don't think I would say the subconscious

21:16

can be stronger or not so strong, uh,

21:19

in different people, uh,

21:21

because it's really, we access it and

21:24

then subconscious is subconscious, right? Okay.

21:27

that are skeptical, but I don't

21:29

have people that are so skeptical, right?

21:31

That they don't believe it will work because

21:33

then it probably won't work, right? Because

21:35

if you don't think it'll work, you won't let

21:37

me in the subconscious, right? So for example,

21:40

I sometimes have mothers that want to

21:42

send their children, right? And it

21:44

works often when the child wants that too,

21:46

or the teenager. Um, but

21:49

if just the mother wants it, I, I

21:51

would say, no, I'm not even taking that child,

21:53

right? Because that's, I

21:56

mean, it needs to definitely

21:58

always be free will. And

22:00

then you had someone that was a

22:03

scientist, right. And she said she

22:05

was very, very, very skeptical. So she

22:07

was actually very surprised how it worked.

22:09

Right. Um, but

22:11

there needs to be an openness, right. Open,

22:15

but I wouldn't say. There's

22:17

more, but I think what you're also asking is, is,

22:20

is it for someone that

22:22

maybe was more skeptical?

22:25

It can definitely be more surprising because they

22:27

might have not had access to the subconscious,

22:29

right? Because through meditation, for example,

22:32

we can access that part, right?

22:34

And if somebody comes that has never meditated,

22:37

has never done anything, the subconscious

22:39

must be, might be more surprising

22:41

to them and might be more. foreign

22:44

to them, and they might be almost a little scared,

22:46

right? But others that tried

22:48

meditation before, they are very, they're probably

22:51

more familiar with it. Um,

22:55

Yeah, but I also, so not, but

22:57

I also send a little recording of eight

22:59

minutes before I work with someone, I

23:02

send an eight minutes recording so they can listen

23:04

to the, to, uh, hypnosis,

23:07

to my voice on the recording and

23:09

they can see how that feels. So

23:11

I always also, how does that feel?

23:13

So they get a little taste because some people are

23:16

really kind of like scared or kind

23:18

of like a little bit.

23:21

It's like priming. It's like a little bit priming

23:23

the body, the mind before accessing

23:26

it. I get it. Yeah.

23:28

So,

23:31

so like once, um, a trauma

23:33

has been uncovered through,

23:35

uh, hypnotherapy, what is

23:38

the following work that

23:40

you do?

23:42

So the following work is really to being

23:44

here for that client in that trauma,

23:46

right? Because I love Gabo

23:49

Amate, for example, right? He's an actress.

23:51

I think he practices out of Canada, but he's

23:53

world renowned. And he says

23:56

that, you know, it's not

23:58

that trauma keeps us traumatized,

24:01

but trauma only keeps us traumatized.

24:04

If nobody's here for us in the

24:06

moment to be with us and to help

24:08

us work through the trauma. Right. So

24:11

if I'm experiencing something

24:13

overwhelming as a child and nobody's

24:16

here for me to hold that with

24:18

me, right. To hold that emotion that I feel

24:20

to help me work through then it becomes

24:23

trauma and then it's stored

24:25

in me. Right. and then it would

24:27

come up again, right? Um,

24:30

so, um, coming

24:32

back to your question, Um,

24:35

I actually, um, I

24:38

forgot your question.

24:40

No, like what's the following work you said, like,

24:42

you have to stay with them. So like, it

24:45

becomes, does it become like then

24:47

regular therapy? Yeah.

24:49

No, it becomes, yeah, it becomes that therapy

24:52

up on the subconscious that I really

24:54

guided before, right? Like you express

24:57

what you feel in that moment, right? You

24:59

express, I feel so overwhelmed. This

25:01

scares me so much. I'm so

25:03

lost. It's like, I wish

25:06

somebody would be here now and hold me,

25:08

right? For example, like, really, again,

25:11

I mean, it sounds simple, but yeah, that's the part

25:13

of the therapy. Expressing what you feel,

25:15

expressing what that younger you felt

25:17

in the trauma, in the moment of the

25:20

trauma, right? Expressing that, expressing

25:23

the emotions, crying if they feel

25:25

like it. Be feeling paralyzed

25:27

if they felt like it then, right? And

25:31

then knowing

25:33

that they went through

25:35

it and knowing also the older self

25:37

is here now. So at the end of

25:39

that, I also always have the older

25:42

self going in there, right? If it's my five

25:44

year old in that scene and I see that. And

25:47

after I talked to the other people in the scene,

25:49

if there are any, then I would always

25:51

let the me walk

25:53

into the scene that I'm now. Right.

25:56

The adult me and really tell that girl,

25:58

I'm going to be here for you no matter what,

26:00

right. I'm talking to the inner part

26:02

of that, right. To my inner child that I'm always

26:05

carrying in me. Right. Because when

26:07

we grow older, we don't just shed

26:09

the younger versions of us, right. They stay,

26:11

stay in us. So

26:14

that's how we really deal with the trauma, right.

26:16

That transformation inside you.

26:19

It's really, it really feels

26:21

like something is like, I would say like something

26:25

is like Tetris or like, no, I don't know. I

26:27

mean, I think very analytical. So in

26:29

Tetris, right, it all comes together, but

26:32

it feels like it's falling and it's going down

26:34

because it's, it's more like, uh, uh,

26:37

a watch, right. It's, it's an

26:40

old time watch, right. It's something moving

26:42

and everything. So

26:44

it's really like when you say those words,

26:46

they're just so powerful. And they,

26:49

um, yeah, and they really moved the entire

26:51

system. So that worked

26:54

through the trauma, right? Yeah. What,

26:57

what are you feeling in that moment? What do you

26:59

need? What did. What do you

27:01

know now? Yeah,

27:04

yeah. I see. Um, so,

27:06

you know, um, to go back

27:08

to how strong the subconscious

27:11

is, we all have trauma.

27:13

It's fair that, you know, nobody can live

27:15

without trauma, but should we address

27:18

all trauma in our life, especially

27:20

if they don't seem to affect us daily?

27:23

I love that question. No,

27:26

I don't think so. Yeah, I think the one,

27:28

and we usually also don't do it, right?

27:30

We do the one. in in Our way, right?

27:33

We usually only face our

27:35

trauma or even realize we have trauma.

27:37

Um, when it's in our way in the moment,

27:40

right? When something

27:43

is not working, right? I can't seem to have

27:46

a good relationship. I can't

27:48

seem to hold the job down. I can't

27:50

seem to, um, not

27:52

use any substances, right? That's when

27:55

it, right. If nothing of that

27:57

happens. I don't think anyone

28:00

ever thinks, Oh, I had traumas,

28:02

but I just don't know it. Let me

28:04

find it. Yeah. That's nonsense. Like, thank you

28:06

for saying that because I will,

28:09

I will like, I will be surprised if

28:11

you had said otherwise, because yeah.

28:14

I love the question. It's such a

28:17

good

28:17

question. If everything is good, don't,

28:20

don't mess, don't mess with the system,

28:22

you know, like everything, but, uh,

28:24

Um, oh, you

28:26

just mentioned it earlier, like, uh,

28:28

you know, if you, you know,

28:30

you seem to not be able to stop

28:33

using drugs or alcohol, you're a victim

28:35

of addiction. So, in a case

28:37

of, you know, since this is a

28:39

podcast about addiction and recovery,

28:42

in the case of addiction,

28:45

um, where like, you know, people

28:47

cope with it. Alcohol or

28:49

drugs to recover from their trauma, to

28:52

process the ramification of their trauma.

28:55

Um, that tells us

28:57

through the steps with a victim of addiction,

28:59

because even if they realize it, it's

29:02

not, you know, because addiction is also

29:04

a body thing, right? It's a body,

29:06

uh, it's both mind and body

29:09

addiction. They're not necessarily going

29:11

to stop taking drugs or drinking right away,

29:13

right? It's not like an emotional thing, right?

29:17

That's a good question. When

29:19

I work Or when I work with

29:21

addicts, I

29:23

know it's also physical and

29:26

I send them a tape out

29:28

after the session, a very individualized tape

29:31

of the last 15 minutes of the session where

29:34

it's basically affirmed everything,

29:37

what you want to do in the, in the, in

29:39

the future, right? Being different to that

29:41

substance. But since we, since

29:44

we really healed that part, right?

29:46

That was that. that

29:48

void or that, you

29:51

know, pain that

29:55

made someone use

29:58

substances to, to

30:01

not feel that pain or to feel

30:03

that void. Um, since

30:05

we heal that, it is

30:08

really all like, it's,

30:10

it's really more the emotional part.

30:12

That's what I experienced. Right. And

30:15

the physical part is just following.

30:17

I mean, I understand there are physical parts

30:19

where you can really need to, right,

30:21

you have, um, withdrawal symptoms.

30:23

You have withdrawal symptoms, yeah.

30:25

And that's physically, but from

30:27

what I experienced, the emotional, psychological

30:30

part is a bigger part of it.

30:32

And, um, that

30:34

really was

30:37

the main chunk of the people I,

30:39

um, have worked with, have

30:41

had the pleasure of working with. So

30:43

I wouldn't say I would, you know,

30:46

say, no, that's not there,

30:48

but

30:48

I have not had it been,

30:51

be a problem, uh, with

30:54

the people I work with.

30:56

Okay.

30:57

Not saying it might not be for someone else.

30:59

Yeah. No, I understand.

31:01

So like, basically, if even

31:04

if you like, you know, um, you

31:07

in recovery, like a person who is victim

31:10

of addiction should work, it

31:12

will be beneficial to them to work.

31:15

With the subconscious of the trauma,

31:17

but also to work on the physical part of

31:19

it. Yeah,

31:20

yeah, yeah. And

31:23

he had like AA

31:25

meetings, right?

31:26

Yeah.

31:27

So much focus on mentorship, right?

31:29

On really that emotional component

31:32

to fill that with other activities, with other

31:34

things. And. I mean,

31:36

I think that's really also there,

31:39

but just we do it in one or two sessions, right?

31:41

That really, that, um, is

31:43

uncovered and healed really, because

31:45

once it's healed, there's not the need

31:47

for that anymore.

31:48

Yeah, that's true.

31:50

If the emotional, psychological component

31:52

is more than the need that the body needs it,

31:54

right? Um, yeah.

31:58

Because you think that, uh, it's a mind stronger

32:01

over a body at some point, right?

32:03

That's also, yeah, I, I

32:06

realized I just said that I do

32:08

believe, yeah, our

32:10

body is, can be very strong,

32:13

right? I mean, yeah, no doubt. Right.

32:15

And, but I do believe, right, that

32:17

our mind is really stronger

32:20

because even like when I, right,

32:23

when we tell our mind, I just said that even

32:25

in the hypnosis, I often say to people,

32:27

you know, to see how suggestible

32:29

you are, imagine, I

32:31

mean, their eyes are closed. Imagine there

32:34

is. Half of a lemon piece,

32:36

right? And you put it in your mouth and you imagine

32:38

you squeeze that lemon in your mouth and all

32:41

of a sudden your body producing saliva and you

32:43

might, might make, might make a

32:45

grimace because that's how you feel about it, but

32:48

there was no real lemon juice, but your mind

32:50

told your body there is, so your body

32:53

reacted because your body did exactly

32:55

what your mind told it, right? Your mind told it. But

32:58

there's lemon juice and the body said, okay, then I need to react

33:00

like this. Right. The same. When I tell

33:02

myself, or when somebody tells

33:04

me, Oh, you're so clumsy. Then

33:07

when I tell myself I'm clumsy, then

33:09

my feet will just drip over

33:11

something. Right. I tell

33:13

myself I'm clumsy. So my body's like, okay, I'm,

33:16

I'm going to show you the clumsy, right. Whatever

33:18

you want me to do. Right.

33:19

Yeah.

33:20

So that's what I definitely see and experience

33:23

also. Yeah.

33:24

I see. Um, let's talk

33:26

about a little bit of spirituality.

33:28

How do you think a mind

33:31

can recover from trauma,

33:34

uh, without spirituality?

33:41

I love the question. Also, I

33:43

feel like I actually

33:45

don't even know my. Description

33:48

of spirituality, because I do believe

33:51

the work I'm doing is actually their spirituality

33:53

involved, goes to

33:55

the spirit. Um,

33:58

but I think spirituality for me is also

34:01

connected to religion. Right.

34:03

And, um, Or to,

34:06

you know, a higher power or God,

34:09

like higher. So my definition

34:11

of spirituality is, yeah,

34:14

like, uh, religion is

34:16

very involved because that's what people get most

34:18

of the time, but it's more like a description

34:21

of a higher power, understanding

34:23

that there's something out there that's bigger

34:26

than you, that you cannot explain

34:28

and being at peace with that, you know?

34:31

Mm hmm. Yeah,

34:33

I, I think it's part of the work,

34:35

really. I really do believe, uh,

34:38

spirituality goes hand in

34:40

hand with that work because I do

34:42

believe even by the

34:44

work I described just now, right, where

34:46

we say those words

34:48

in that space, right, where

34:51

the person is not even here, but you give them

34:53

back baggage that's not yours, or that's

34:56

a spiritual practice in my opinion,

34:59

right? Because we also do that when, I

35:01

mean, I grew up very Catholic. I went to

35:03

church every day for a certain period of

35:05

time. So when, when I

35:07

remember in church, they also, right. You

35:09

give God your problems and you really

35:11

believe he can solve it. Like, but God

35:13

is in my opinion, that's my opinion.

35:15

God is in you. Right. And in

35:18

that moment, when you do that.

35:21

The hypnotherapy, when you do healing of trauma, that's

35:24

that God working in you, right, or that, I

35:27

want to call it God, but that spiritual power

35:29

working in you, right?

35:32

Yeah, I tend to agree

35:34

too, like, I'm definitely a believer

35:36

in, uh, like you mentioned AA

35:38

before, like, I go to AA

35:40

so often, but like, I'm more into the

35:43

12 steps and the book. And I

35:45

really believe in being spiritual fitness

35:47

for my case. I feel like that's being

35:49

spiritually fit that it's keeping me

35:52

sober. And

35:54

yeah, you know, um, you

35:57

mentioned earlier, uh, people's

36:00

energy and being

36:02

an emotional, um,

36:04

healer. And, you know,

36:06

when you described the, at the beginning, the thing about

36:09

with, um, in your

36:11

state of the mind, it was that you need to establish

36:13

pathways and stuff. Uh, I

36:16

found myself in situations

36:18

even most recently where

36:21

like I could sense

36:24

more or less people's energy, like

36:26

something that I couldn't put tangibly,

36:29

you know, tells me that the energy

36:31

was a little bit off. And, um,

36:34

I found myself saying that to other people

36:36

that energy never lies because what

36:38

happens most of the time later

36:41

on, I get, um,

36:43

concrete example that my intuitions

36:46

were confirmed, but me

36:48

being also a very, uh,

36:50

an analytical guy, you

36:52

know, like pragmatic and, um,

36:54

because I'm an engineer from profession,

36:57

I, I still don't feel

37:00

always comfortable just relying

37:02

on that

37:05

feeling because there's no empirical

37:08

evidence that somebody did something wrong

37:10

before me feeling that way about that

37:13

person, you know, but then

37:15

I get vindicated later when I,

37:17

I get that information later, but. Do

37:20

you think, do you think like people's energy

37:22

can tell a story before even the action?

37:26

I do believe it, but

37:28

I also do believe that your energy

37:30

meter needs to

37:32

be really, um, how

37:35

do you say it? What do you need to do as an engineer? You know, you

37:37

know, that

37:38

Calibrated.

37:39

Calibrate. Thank you. Because

37:42

actually, that's where I am in my life where I'm like, I'm

37:45

not sure if it's calibrated

37:47

correctly now, or if I'm just bringing

37:50

past experience into this, if this person

37:52

exactly. Yeah,

37:54

then it could be empirical, right? Because that

37:57

past person could have the same energy, but

37:59

I I believe, uh,

38:02

because you said, you know, you're an engineer and analytic

38:04

and stuff. I do believe just because we

38:06

don't have studies to it yet. Like

38:08

I said before, I hundred percent believe,

38:10

you know, your brain has the intelligence that

38:12

we usually need in our world, in school

38:15

and studying, right? But our body

38:17

has the intelligence of intuition,

38:19

right? Or we call it intuition, right? So there is

38:22

big intelligence, I mean, in our body,

38:24

right? Um, and just, we don't,

38:26

because we don't, uh, measure

38:29

that with an eye. IQ

38:31

yet, right? Or bodily cue. I mean, emotional

38:36

cue that we can measure. Uh, but

38:38

that doesn't mean it's not there.

38:40

It's just

38:41

proven doesn't mean it's not there. Right.

38:43

So I believe, I

38:46

mean, that's where I'm really am in my

38:48

progress that I'm, uh, trying

38:50

to figure out. Is it

38:52

real, you know, or do

38:55

I just need to step up, uh, take

38:57

a few days and, and

38:59

see and come back to it or the person

39:02

and see how I feel. And was

39:04

that right? Um, I think

39:06

once you know, you can trust and you

39:08

are, you are, your

39:10

energy meter is calibrated. Then

39:13

I think beautiful, right? Then I would

39:15

definitely trust that.

39:18

Like, so me, I'm going to tell you about

39:20

my process. So when my energy

39:22

meter informs me that that person

39:24

energy is a little bit off, what

39:27

I try to tend to do is,

39:30

uh, give that person

39:32

more time before getting

39:35

close to that person, because I want to

39:37

protect myself. You talk about boundaries,

39:39

you know, uh, some

39:41

people are like, Oh, like,

39:44

uh, you should not judge people.

39:46

Because like, uh,

39:48

you know, you don't know them and

39:52

I agree with the

39:54

greater aspect of it. That's true.

39:57

But how do you establish healthy

39:59

boundaries if you don't make an assessment

40:01

of somebody else behavior like, you

40:03

know, it's in order to protect yourself too.

40:06

So if somebody, if somebody has energy

40:08

or behavior is, I look at it, I'm like,

40:10

Hey, I don't know about that person.

40:13

Like, let me put like a stronger

40:15

boundary in order to

40:17

know them. I'm not like, do you understand

40:20

the difference I'm trying to come to? I'm

40:22

not judging them per se. I'm just

40:24

being careful for myself,

40:27

you know,

40:27

and I think that's amazing. Yeah, I think

40:29

that's, yeah. That's

40:32

exactly what I mean when

40:34

I talk about boundaries, right? And with me, it's often

40:37

that I let a person close already

40:39

and then I need to push away and then establish

40:41

a new boundary. Yeah. I

40:43

think it's good that you, you look even,

40:46

you look more carefully before you let them step

40:48

closer. And I think, um,

40:52

yeah, I think that's totally legit. I think that's

40:54

important. Right. I just recently, my

40:56

son is six. He picked up on that because

40:58

he was like, you know, I, I like the word

41:01

pillow talk in English, right? When you are a

41:03

big. He recently

41:05

asked me, mommy, are you friends with this

41:07

person again now? Right. Because there was a

41:11

friend in my life and she overstepped

41:13

boundaries and it was very like,

41:15

uh, she really attacked, harassed

41:18

me and, uh, I had to set

41:20

a boundary and I had to block her. Right. And,

41:23

um, and that I probably

41:25

couldn't even have seen before. I feel there were

41:27

a few signs maybe, but anyways.

41:30

Um, and I said, yeah, I

41:32

am, but I. You

41:34

know, I don't, because we see

41:36

her everywhere. She has a son too. Right. But

41:39

I don't, I wouldn't trust her fully again. Right.

41:41

So I just, and it was very

41:44

interesting because he really got that. And I think kids

41:46

feel energy so much better because especially

41:48

when they even younger, because they don't even have words

41:50

yet. So they, all they have is energy. Right.

41:53

Yeah. All they see and feel is energy.

41:55

And we then really went through all my friends

41:57

and his friends and see how much do we trust

41:59

them, how far do we go with them? And I'm like, he's

42:01

so in tune with that talk, right? That's so

42:04

normal for him. So it

42:06

should be normal for us to actually. And

42:08

I just, yeah. Um, I think

42:11

it's important because I, I found myself

42:14

then in the park, not, you know, when

42:16

you walk somewhere and you know, you can't

42:19

look there or you don't want to say hi,

42:21

and that's my opinion. That's restricting

42:24

me.

42:24

Yeah, me too.

42:26

My openness. So I say, hi, and

42:28

I chat a little, but I

42:30

have a boundary now that is different than before.

42:33

Yeah.

42:34

That's really, again,

42:36

going back to us, I listened to Aaron,

42:39

Aaron Doughty, I think you would call his name

42:41

today. And he said that so perfectly,

42:43

right. When we blame others, when we put, when

42:45

we judge, right.

42:46

Yeah,

42:47

go through our aura first, and it's harming

42:49

us first, right? I

42:52

wouldn't do that because it's harming me. So

42:54

I would send them also the best, right? I'm not

42:56

saying that's a bad person, right?

42:58

I would just say, okay, I just want to

43:00

establish this and this boundary with that person.

43:03

That's just better for me. Right?

43:05

Yeah. Like, because me at the beginning,

43:08

like I said, when I didn't have empirical

43:10

data of a person being. You

43:12

know, not bad, but like,

43:14

let's say bad for me. I will be

43:17

like, I will shut that. Uh, the

43:19

instinct of the energy down because I'm

43:21

like, Oh, I'm being just judgey.

43:23

And then I'm going to let, I wasn't going to let them,

43:26

I used to let them too close and

43:29

it will cost me, you know, like, especially

43:31

being in recovery and stuff. Like,

43:33

you know, I had porous boundaries,

43:36

uh, when I was in addiction and

43:38

there are some people I should have cut off right away

43:41

because, you know, just the, my

43:43

instinct was about them was like,

43:46

Yeah, that person, I'm not getting much

43:48

about, you know, like they,

43:51

they're just not for me, you know, yeah.

43:54

And I think we can also hear, I mean, you,

43:57

you mentioned you have kids, right? We can

43:59

learn so much from them because kids

44:01

actually, they don't want to go to everyone.

44:03

Right. I love the parents

44:06

that say, I mean, there is a movement of parents

44:08

that say, my kids don't need to hug

44:10

anyone, even if

44:12

it's

44:12

They don't want that. I mean,

44:15

if they just, I don't know. I mean, there's

44:17

also, we know our kids, right. If they just

44:19

want to harm someone or stuff, then it's different.

44:21

But I mean, hopefully

44:24

do that. Right. But, um, I

44:26

don't force my kids to that, right? Because

44:29

I think that's where also it can

44:31

stem from that not being able to set

44:33

boundary. Because if, if I tell my son,

44:35

Oh no, you need to be nice to that person. You

44:37

need to play with that person. You need to have that person

44:39

when they don't feel it, then they have

44:41

to do that in life later too, right? Then they do

44:44

it. Well, in that harms

44:46

them because I teach them that, right. So

44:48

I think that's very important also for

44:50

people that have kids to, um,

44:52

consider that.

44:53

Yeah, that's, that's good. So

44:55

like, uh, one last question before, uh,

44:58

I give you the floor, um,

45:01

it's a question that I ask, uh, every guest,

45:03

uh, what is your relationship with alcohol

45:05

and drugs in general?

45:09

Yeah. So I mean, at this

45:11

point, none of it, um, is

45:14

interesting to me. I, I, yeah, I

45:17

just, um, I

45:19

know it exists, right? That's my relationship.

45:22

Um,

45:22

I

45:24

drinking then and when, before

45:26

I got pregnant with my little

45:28

one now, and then I

45:30

saw a lot of studies that said not even a little

45:32

bit alcohol is good for you. And it was not,

45:34

so I'm not drinking at all. And drugs,

45:37

I have to say, I'm actually, I

45:39

have to, I, I lied before because

45:41

one thing I, I feel like I wanna

45:43

try one day is ayahuasca,

45:46

so that's. I, I'm open

45:48

to and I, I'm, um, I

45:50

want to try at one point in my future, but

45:53

other than that, um, yeah,

45:56

uh, my relationship, I don't know how I would even

45:58

call that is non

46:00

existent

46:02

very far. Yeah. Yeah. It

46:05

doesn't, it doesn't influence

46:08

me really. Yeah. Yeah.

46:10

Okay. All right. So,

46:12

you know, we're hitting the 45 minute mark

46:14

here, and that was a beautiful conversation.

46:17

So I'm going to leave the

46:20

floor up to you. Like you can, you know,

46:22

conclude or let me know or ask a

46:24

question. It's up to you.

46:26

I really love this conversation. Thank

46:28

you so much for your wonderful questions.

46:31

I mean, definitely leave

46:33

my, um, my

46:36

website here. So it's www. Why

46:40

hypnotherapy. com. So

46:42

you can look it up. I just got a marketing

46:44

assistant. She made that out

46:46

of it. So that's all I would

46:48

leave you with because I, you really,

46:51

um, your questions were so amazing

46:53

that I actually said everything I would ever want

46:55

to say about hypnotherapy.

46:57

All right. That's great. By the way, that's

47:00

a great domain name. Why hypnotherapy?

47:02

That's awesome. Like that's easy, you know, like,

47:04

yeah.

47:05

Thank you.

47:07

All right, guys. Uh, thank you for

47:09

listening and I'll see you guys for the conclusion.

47:11

Bye. All right,

47:13

all right, all right. This concludes episode

47:16

number 52 of Hypnotherapy.

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Thank you very much to Carolina

47:21

for being a wonderful guest to the podcast.

47:23

I learned so much about this

47:26

practice that I thought was kind of obscure

47:28

at first. Like for me, hypnotherapy

47:30

was like A lot of like

47:32

hypnosis, you know, uh,

47:34

transform people, not transform people, but

47:36

make people act like, you know, uh,

47:38

roosters and that kind of stuff, you know, that's

47:41

just, um, that's my,

47:43

uh, preconception

47:45

I had of the thing because of what

47:47

I saw on TV, but yes,

47:49

I did learn a lot. I hope that you guys

47:52

really like this episode. I attach

47:54

all the information for

47:56

Carolina on the, on

47:58

the podcast description. I

48:01

might even be myself tempted to,

48:03

to try a session. We never know. And

48:06

um, as always

48:08

guys, follow us on

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social media, supporters to the podcast and

48:13

yeah, supporters to Patreon as well.

48:15

And I will see you guys in a few weeks.

48:18

Bye.