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on State of the World, Russia's new
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friends. You're
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up close where they're happening. It's Friday,
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June 28th. I'm Greg Dixon. After
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Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine,
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there was a concerted effort
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to isolate Russia politically and
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economically. The U.S. and much
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of Europe imposed sanctions on Russia as
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punishment, sanctions that are still in place.
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But even though they're no longer friends
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with most Western governments, Russia insists it
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does have partners in the world. And
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it threw them a party earlier this
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month, an economic forum in St. Petersburg.
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NPR's Charles Mains attended to meet some of
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Russia's new friends, and he found it's
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quite a crowd. I'm
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staring up at a giant robot, or
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more precisely, a giant robot transformer, like
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in those Hollywood movies. It
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has to be at least 15 feet tall, and
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it's nothing if not self-assured. The
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engine of the Russian economy cannot be stopped, it
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tells me in Russian. And then this. Mmm,
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it adds. I love the smell of economic
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success in the morning. I check my
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watch. It's late afternoon. A
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young salesperson, Alyssa Kostyankova, tells me
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it's promoting Russian electric vehicles, made
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in China. Why
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wait to build our own, when we've got
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a good, reliable partner now, says Kostyankova. And
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she has a point. Despite the destruction of
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the war in Ukraine, and Western sanctions and
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repressions at home. that have followed,
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many Russians argue the country is not
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only adapting, it's racing ahead. And
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there's some evidence to back that up. In
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a panel discussion, the Kremlin's top
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economic advisers were clearly elated over new
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World Bank projections that show Russia's
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economy growing faster than their Western
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counterparts, surpassing even the Kremlin's best
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expectations. The
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reason is sanctions. The West imposed them
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and shot themselves in the foot, says
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Russia's finance minister Anton Sulyanov, who asked
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to explain Russia's success. Now,
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their economies are stagnating while ours
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grows. What Sulyanov doesn't acknowledge
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is that weapons production is the main driver
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of Russia's growth. He argues
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sanctions ended the West's access to
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Russian energy resources even as they
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forced Moscow to become more innovative,
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more self-reliant, to find new and
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more reliable partners. And that
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plays into a view you hear a lot
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in Russia these days, that the West is
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in trouble, and the U.S. in particular is
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losing its role as global leader as new
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centers of political and economic power emerge. That
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it's an idea promoted by Russian President
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Vladimir Putin, or say China is not
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surprising. You should hear it from a former
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member of the CIA, maybe he is. We're
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living through an ethical period in history, the
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end of U.S. hegemony. The
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international rules-based order that was established in
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the wake of World War II is
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coming to an end. Larry C. Johnson
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is an ex-agency analyst who these days
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takes decidedly pro-Russian views. About
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the West's decline and about Russia's actions
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in Ukraine, he argues Americans
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don't hear the truth about the war
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in Ukraine. Why? Because Western media, including
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he argues this one, shun controversial views,
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views that challenge mainstream narratives. NPR won't
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have me on anymore. NPR
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won't have me on to talk about the war
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in Ukraine to provide an alternative point of view.
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In fact, alternative views of how the world could
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be are all over the economic forum, including
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a souvenir stand that featured a signed portrait of Putin.
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