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Baby you change your mind,

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life too many times Over

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and over again, over and

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over again Baby

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you change your mind, life

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too many times Over and

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over again, over and over

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again Hello

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and welcome to Still Buffering, a cross-generational guide

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to the culture that made us. I'm Riley

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Smirnall. I'm Sydney McElroy.

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And I'm Taylor Smirnall. My

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cat Amelia is sitting directly on the other side

0:44

of my laptop. You can't see her, but she's

0:46

like just peering over the top of it right

0:49

at me. She's like

0:51

intensely staring at me. She's

0:53

climbed up. She's like

0:56

on the sound board, sitting

0:58

here staring. She's a producer.

1:01

She's making sure I don't use

1:03

profanity on air, I guess. She's

1:07

so intense. She doesn't

1:09

want me to touch her. Don't touch me. Just look at

1:11

me. She's my cat that's

1:13

part feral. She wants to make sure you know

1:15

that she's there. Yeah,

1:18

I am watching you. Do not try to pet me. Sometimes

1:21

she lets me pet her now. Just

1:23

trying to give you a little help, a

1:25

little boost, a little inspiration. A little

1:29

terror. Well, she

1:31

won't give me the slow blinks

1:33

like Olive will. Olive will give me, like I

1:35

can slow blink back and forth with her. I

1:42

sometimes forget that that's something that you only

1:44

do with cats and sometimes I do it

1:46

with humans. It's

1:51

not the same. Humans don't slow

1:53

blink at each other. Sometimes when I'm

1:56

at work and I'm trying to communicate like,

1:58

yes, thank you customer. That's nice. And

2:00

I'll just kind of nod my head and slowly blink

2:02

at them and I'm like, oh that's Caling which

2:04

it's not a thing It doesn't get

2:06

that I

2:09

am guilty of occasionally when I want Charlie or

2:11

Cooper to come with me somewhere I'm trying to

2:13

get them to like come come to the kitchen.

2:16

Come with me. Come with me. I'll go like

2:22

Like I do that work at I work for kids

2:24

too, right? Yeah No, but

2:26

I'll be like come on. Come on. I need you to come with me.

2:28

Come on We're going to the car one of the car. Come

2:30

on. I'm like, no, no, no, that's a cat thing.

2:32

That's cat thing Shake

2:36

of take a bag of treats shake the

2:38

treats Adam No,

2:41

they won't follow the cat. You know what?

2:43

I could start doing that like just open the

2:45

freezer And they would hear that

2:48

like popsicles Yeah Get

2:51

some like cheese boots chicken

2:55

We have a giant jug of cheese balls on

2:57

top of the refrigerator. There you go. I Had

3:01

a dream last night that I could talk with cats. I

3:03

don't even have a cat but that was

3:06

my dream What

3:08

did you say to them Well, that's

3:11

the best part is I wasn't speaking

3:13

human with the cats. I

3:15

was speaking cat with the cats. Oh So

3:18

all of a sudden I could understand what they were telling

3:20

me and I could

3:22

communicate back in a series of meows Well,

3:26

but what did cats like with the

3:28

ability to communicate in language with

3:30

cats? What did they have to say? That's

3:33

the thing. I don't know. I just know that

3:35

all of a sudden I was like, yes I

3:38

know how to respond to this So,

3:42

okay, my dream world is my dream world Sydney and

3:44

I don't have any rules So

3:46

you could speak the language and understand the language but

3:49

not understand any of what was happening. I

3:51

could translate it as cats Yeah,

3:53

I couldn't translate it into like human

3:55

but I Knew

3:58

I knew there was communication going on. All right.

4:01

There were nods of understanding. That's

4:03

a weird one. How

4:06

is it though? Do you know Charlie

4:08

told me Cooper said

4:10

something to her and said yo and

4:13

Charlie was like don't say

4:15

yo anymore and I

4:17

was like why and she was like that's so old. That's

4:20

like our parents say yo. We don't say

4:22

yo. Yo

4:25

is old. I didn't know yo

4:27

was old and I was like yo are

4:30

you sure and she was like we don't say that.

4:32

She was like you can say bra. How

4:35

is that cool and yo's not because

4:38

what Cooper had said was yo bra and she was

4:40

like you can say bra but don't say yo. Also

4:45

that's really funny to me that Cooper just cuz that was that. Yeah.

4:50

You think for you. Yeah. I

4:52

think. I

4:54

didn't know. I thought yo had a shelf life. No.

4:57

Well that's what I was so then I then

4:59

I proceeded to do what I realized

5:01

like this is a parental instinct you can't deny. I

5:04

said no yo is still cool like

5:06

yo ho and a bottle of rum

5:08

like that's cool right yo ho ho

5:10

and she was like you were dead.

5:12

Yeah and she was like no no

5:14

not pirate and I was like and

5:17

then you say ahoy bra and she

5:19

got really mad. Inform

5:24

me that it was not cool. I

5:27

sometimes when I see this stuff that like

5:30

the younger generation is telling older people they

5:32

can't do anymore I'm like who made up

5:34

that like lol I think

5:36

was making arounds like if you're an adult

5:38

and you use like lol like oh there's

5:40

something wrong with you don't

5:43

do it. I'm like who are

5:45

these young people that are just

5:47

making arbitrary decisions. It's so silly.

5:50

The only way I'm willing to accept it is if

5:52

it's somebody like Charlie Zates then it makes sense. I'm

5:54

like okay that's fine. That's the kid that could just

5:56

be like no that's out. That's not cool anymore.

5:58

Like yeah. We're done with that. Yeah, you're

6:00

a child. That seems like a decision you

6:02

might make. That's alright I

6:05

guess. Well,

6:07

she does not understand,

6:09

like, she doesn't make fun of me for

6:11

the emojis I use because I apparently use

6:14

old people emojis. I

6:16

do too. Like the

6:18

crying, laughing face. Yeah. Yeah. That's

6:21

bad. You're not supposed to use that

6:23

I guess. I

6:26

think it's considered, um, choogie.

6:30

Oh. That, I

6:32

feel like the word choogie is in and

6:34

of itself. Is now choogie? Isn't it choogie?

6:38

It never got off the ground I

6:40

don't think. I

6:42

use it. There was

6:44

a, I was watching a TikTok where

6:46

a mom who's probably around my age-ish

6:48

was saying that she was

6:50

informed by her child that the, like, she looked at

6:53

her and said, why do you have a middle part?

6:55

Why are you doing that? And

6:58

she was like, because I switched to the middle part because

7:00

you all told me to. Yeah. I had a side

7:02

part for years and then your generation told me I

7:04

had to have a middle part so I switched. And

7:07

her daughter was like, no, no, ew. No,

7:09

we don't do that anymore. I

7:13

went back to a middle part because the younger children

7:16

told me that was cool. Yeah.

7:18

But now they're making videos where they have

7:21

side parts. They're like, I don't have a

7:23

side part in the millennial way. I have

7:25

a side part in the early 2000s emo

7:27

way. And I'm like, who do you think

7:29

the early 2000s emos were? Who do you

7:31

think was? It's

7:33

us. Are

7:36

we, wait, are we going to the really, like, um,

7:39

like extreme side part so that you have a

7:41

big swoop across half your face? Oh,

7:44

yeah. I mean that, like, all of the,

7:46

the scene, scene style,

7:48

that's absolutely, I mean,

7:50

I see it. I see 20

7:53

year olds dressed that way. It's like, that's

7:55

like, you know, just however

7:57

you want. No, no, no

7:59

problem. there but that's that

8:04

you're welcome signed a millennial

8:06

from that we did that it was bad

8:09

then but if you want to make it

8:11

do it that's that was us I

8:13

like the big swoops of hair yeah

8:17

I I have felt that way about

8:19

low-rise jeans I noticed have been making

8:21

a comeback like very low-rise not just

8:24

like regular like not a high-waisted jeans

8:26

like low-rise and all the

8:28

all the young youngins on tick-tock keep making

8:30

videos of them in low-rise jeans like wow

8:32

can you believe this I've never worn low-rise

8:34

jeans before they look so great I'm like

8:36

no we can't we can't do this again

8:38

we can't I love

8:40

the low-rise jeans I

8:43

just as as someone with a

8:45

very abnormally long torso and very

8:47

short legs the high-waisted makes

8:50

me look like more

8:52

proportional it shortens the

8:54

torso and a lot lengthens the legs and

8:57

they try to tell me on tick-tock that

8:59

low-rise jeans look good on everybody and I

9:01

just don't buy it I

9:04

can't give into that trend I can't I mean it

9:07

what you have to be careful about is what you pair

9:09

it with up top because

9:11

when you bend over or crouch

9:15

like you you might show your butt

9:17

crack I mean yeah I don't want to have

9:19

to worry about that yeah I don't want that on

9:21

the table yeah if I

9:24

were my high-waisted jeans they're up so they're up

9:26

so tight around my way my

9:28

waist that no one's getting near my

9:30

butt the

9:33

the thing I'm looking forward to or when

9:36

the pants that drag the ground intentionally

9:38

and so they get all like tattered

9:40

and dirty on the bottom when is

9:42

that coming back I

9:45

think that is already somewhat bad yeah because

9:47

I know people are like bidding

9:50

for those Junko jeans

9:52

online like absurd amounts of money

9:54

trying to get an authentic pair

9:57

that's very in now

10:00

I guess. I

10:03

bought a pair of pants that

10:05

I didn't they weren't like initially when I

10:07

bought them they did not fit that way. They

10:10

were like wider leg but they

10:12

fit I mean they weren't

10:15

too too drapey on me and not too

10:17

big but I bought them like

10:20

year and a half ago and I've lost weight since then

10:22

and so now they

10:24

fit much differently and they

10:26

hang kind of like jenko jeans that's not

10:28

what they are but they kind of like

10:30

they sit lower on my on my hips

10:33

now and they

10:35

so they're long so they kind of drag the

10:38

ground especially when I'm wearing my chucks and

10:41

they kind of are wide on the bottom and

10:43

they like it they look wider now it's accentuated

10:45

because they're bigger on me and

10:47

I've saved them even though they don't technically fit

10:50

because I'm like this is these are black jenko

10:53

jeans is what I have I

10:55

have created. I have a pair

10:57

of jeans like that that are intentionally like that.

11:00

Oh.

11:03

That's my way of saying I think

11:05

that the fact that places are selling

11:07

them and you can get those means

11:09

that maybe they're rising in popularity once

11:11

again. You

11:14

can you can take my black

11:16

skinny jeans from my cold,

11:19

dead hands. Never giving

11:21

them up I don't care what how many tiktoks

11:25

I see telling me they're bad I'm gonna

11:27

wear the pants that I've had for five

11:30

years because I like

11:33

it. I feel that way about

11:35

my leggings like those are my go-to like

11:37

comfy like I need to go somewhere I

11:39

need to look like like to the store

11:41

or to class like I can't wear pajama

11:43

pants but I don't want to wear jeans

11:45

and I need something that goes on the bottom half

11:47

that's when I wear leggings and tiktok has told me

11:49

that leggings are now out and chuggy

11:53

I'm like what else do you want me to wear

11:55

it's either jeans or like sweatpants And

11:58

leggings are the perfect middle ground. I

12:01

I. Know I think leggings are fine. I will

12:03

say I wore. Jogging joggers,

12:05

Jogging. Joggers How to publish

12:08

Allowances and I felt like I

12:10

was really nervous about it because

12:12

like I've never. I. Don't know.

12:15

Wearing. Wearing sweatpants out in

12:17

public was not as. Common

12:19

Place. I feel like when I was younger. As

12:22

it is now, like now, it's just like normal,

12:24

like especially younger people. Go to class or go to

12:26

the gym or go hang out. With her failure to bronson

12:29

were set hands like you see that all the time. That.

12:31

Was not a thing. I'm. And.

12:34

So wearing joggers out I felt

12:36

very uncomfortable first. But. Then after

12:38

was like I was looking around and

12:41

pretty much everybody legs look like they

12:43

were similarly in case whatever they were

12:45

wearing the was pretty much like what

12:48

I was wearing like some version of

12:50

dark. Said. It as the ankle,

12:52

but looser everywhere else. I.

12:54

Don't know. Her legs are

12:57

similarly in case. Yeah. Sides.

12:59

I stopped worrying about it. I will say I

13:02

do love the skinny jeans. Still say I just

13:04

bought. A new pair of black skinny jeans not too

13:06

long ago. So. I

13:08

love the skinny jeans. I. Am

13:10

turning into an overall person? Has

13:13

been for a while. Said

13:15

as I knew transformation yeah but

13:17

I have of of wearing them

13:20

as butts in till recently I

13:22

think. Even before you on your first

13:24

pair of overall said you very much

13:26

an overall person. Arlene.

13:28

Or that news

13:31

service. I

13:34

had a take that the says. I don't even know

13:36

what I mean by a but I know I'm right. Or

13:40

really like overalls I have. I have several

13:42

pair of overalls that are like my go

13:44

to. As soon as I get home I

13:47

put them on and I have ventured out

13:49

of the house and them twice now and

13:51

I think I can keep their gnome and

13:53

make sense. They. Just made

13:55

me feel a good toddler. I feel like I'm

13:57

wearing a one the that like see I would

13:59

have. Six Nine. My.

14:01

Movement. Oh No.

14:05

No, it's the freedom of movement within the

14:07

overall that I enjoy. And

14:10

look what move? Let us move That

14:12

can you do within your overall you

14:14

cannot do with initiative pants. So

14:17

I think it depends on the fit. The

14:19

overalls I have are a little bit loose

14:21

at the waist and I really like that

14:23

because it feels like I'm just sort of

14:25

float nin my clothes. Or

14:28

her a. See. Like

14:30

feeling like you're not really wearing clothes. It's

14:34

that at that is a very i

14:36

will say is a very nineties kind

14:38

of saying. It's that like they're the

14:40

right length. But. Then they try

14:42

to have that gap around the waist where they're

14:44

a little too loose and the waist and they

14:46

kind of their maggie in that area. That.

14:49

Was it? That was a very nineties look And that

14:51

is how. Again, I don't know. I

14:53

I don't buy things intending for them to fit

14:55

a certain way. I just tend to buy cheap

14:58

things that don't sit well. And if they don't

15:00

fit well in a way I like. And

15:03

that is where I ended. Up with these. Overalls. In.

15:07

Any way. Pilot

15:10

there's my pitch. For over else I

15:12

love of speaking is fashion

15:14

their go. Clueless.

15:18

Yes, I can't. How have we never talks?

15:20

About Clue I believe we've never talked about

15:23

this. Is every talked about

15:25

it. It's has never been a subject because

15:27

I know he discussed before. So.

15:30

Clueless came out ninety. Ninety. Five. I had

15:32

a double check with Clinton's Cosell. Twenty

15:36

Nine used. For

15:39

that possible, And

15:42

I. Okay, so I

15:44

don't feel like we need to. Rehash

15:46

the plot of Clueless. Such

15:49

everybody knows. Now.

15:52

Is clueless to what it is.

15:54

Louis is the one that is

15:56

Emma the novel rate but modernized.

15:59

said my understanding. Okay. I've

16:02

never read Emma. In the way that like 10 things

16:05

I hate about you is Shakespeare.

16:08

Like it's not copied

16:10

in any way. It's just like referencing the

16:12

story line. Yes. In Spiny

16:14

By. Yeah. Using the same story line. Yes. Yes.

16:18

Um, I, so

16:21

when Clueless came out, I would have been 12.

16:28

Which was like, I think like the perfect age

16:31

to be, to see a film like Clueless and

16:33

have your like view of what

16:36

it means to be like

16:38

a teenager completely shaped by it, right? Cause

16:40

I wasn't quite a teenager yet. I was

16:43

almost a teenager. I was old enough to really

16:45

want to be older, you

16:47

know? You, cause you, there's

16:49

the age where you don't really care. Like

16:51

Charlie is sort of tipping that balance right

16:54

now. She's nine and a half and she's

16:56

starting to be interested in what

16:58

older people do, but she's very happy

17:00

to still be a kid and to do little kids

17:02

things and doesn't feel awkward about it. You

17:05

get past that tipping point around 11 or

17:07

12 where you start wanting to be

17:09

a teen, especially

17:11

I think young women, I think it happens a

17:13

little faster. Um, and

17:16

Clueless hit right at that moment for me. And I was

17:18

like, that's what it looks like to be a teenager. That's

17:21

how you dress. That's how you act. You

17:23

get to do the stuff that she does

17:25

and that is who I want to be,

17:27

which was weird because I had

17:30

no, like I did not identify at all

17:32

with that character. We

17:35

didn't have that kind of money. We didn't live in

17:37

a place like Beverly Hills. You know what I mean?

17:39

Like none of it had anything to do with my

17:41

life, but at the same time I was like, okay,

17:43

excellent. I have a roadmap for what a teenage

17:46

girl looks like. all

18:00

of the teens are much older than teens.

18:04

It's not what teenagers actually look like in lots

18:06

of ways. Well,

18:08

let's see, she's 47. So

18:11

she was born in 76. So

18:17

she was like 19. 19, yeah. So

18:19

she was close. Yeah, she was close to a teenager.

18:22

Wow. I would have

18:24

guessed she was older than that. She just gave off, not

18:26

that she looked old, I

18:29

would have guessed she was in her mid-20s. What

18:37

was the cultural perception

18:39

of the Paul Rudd chair

18:44

storyline at that time? Because I feel

18:46

like I've seen a few TikToks or videos

18:48

where people are like, hmm, was

18:51

this a weird storyline for

18:53

people to be romanticizing? For

18:56

some reason, and Taylor, you correct me

18:58

if you had a different impression. I

19:02

don't feel like anybody had an issue

19:04

with it back then. I don't

19:06

feel like there was any sort of outcry

19:09

or ew or ick or anything

19:11

about it. I mean, in

19:13

part because it's Paul Rudd. Right.

19:16

And it's young, and Paul Rudd has always

19:18

looked the same. He always, he never ages.

19:20

So I'm not saying he was

19:22

dreamy or then, but he was especially dreamy when he

19:24

was young. So

19:27

he's like dreamy young Paul Rudd. And you

19:32

wrote it off as like, well, I mean,

19:34

they weren't blood related, and then their parents

19:36

also got divorced, like they got divorced too.

19:38

So they're not even, you know what I

19:41

mean? Yeah, I meant more so the age

19:44

difference. The fact that she was

19:46

still technically in high school. So

19:49

it would have been like a child theoretically, and

19:51

he was at least

19:53

21, right? Well,

19:57

I guess he is 21, Because he

19:59

drinks at some point. I.

20:01

Don't I don't think that if you know back

20:03

in the ninety second a thing I don't think

20:05

anybody. Thought about that. I can

20:07

What I figured I was just a recent like not

20:10

saying that like it's a bad. Part

20:12

of the movie just they can is

20:14

a something that wouldn't be put it

20:16

in like of movies today said i

20:18

tell ya I something I think. Ah,

20:22

I you will notice and movies from that time and

20:24

I don't remember if this happens. And clueless because

20:26

I clarify see: seventeen or eighteen?

20:32

Military members a. Said. Empathy? do?

20:34

I mean she's a senior, right?

20:36

Yeah. So. She seventeen or

20:38

eighteen a lot of times in

20:40

movies back then. You would

20:43

have some sort of line that

20:45

a character has to clarify that

20:47

someone is eighteen, right? And it

20:49

was a very icky like. This.

20:51

Is for the audience to know that this

20:53

person isn't it illegally an adult and soon

20:56

nobody has to be grossed out. but it

20:58

always felt achy to me like okay and

21:00

pay gap there in high school but they're

21:02

eating Yeah, I know what you're saying with

21:04

that and I understand the implications And I'm

21:06

so creeped out I don't. Remember

21:08

that line happening and clueless? I

21:13

don't either, and I know exactly what you

21:15

mean because I've noticed that in recent movies

21:17

when like they're anticipate and you can tell

21:20

there's going to be some sort of romantic

21:22

story line between characters. That were one is much

21:24

older that they make sure to say like oh, you're

21:26

a thief. And

21:28

I'll say it in some way that like to it

21:30

sounds like an offhand saying, like not intentional but it's

21:32

like we know this is a script. We know you

21:34

wrote it, We know why you're saying it's not for

21:36

we the Us. So.

21:40

I don't I never remember at the internet

21:42

is telling me that she was fifteen. Know.

21:46

That is what the internet is telling me. In

21:49

multiple places that it was written as

21:51

she is fifteen know ah. I.

21:55

Feel. I feel like that. Makes

21:57

as something she supposed to be seen.

22:00

Yeah, it says when Cher is asked

22:02

when her birthday is Ty said she was turning 16

22:04

in May and Cher told her her birthday is in

22:06

April So she was older. Yeah Yeah,

22:10

because that's part of the plot. Oh Oh

22:19

Oh So she's so she was she's six units in

22:21

team I mean she gets her driver's

22:24

license so she's 16 but throughout

22:26

the events of the movie she becomes 16 Yes,

22:29

but she's yeah And

22:32

he is in college. He could maybe

22:34

be a freshman at best That's

22:37

what it the same article saying they never say

22:40

exactly how old he is and it could be

22:42

that he's like 18 or 19 But

22:45

also it could be like he talks about what

22:47

kind of law he's interested in So

22:49

it could be like I don't know if

22:51

he's still in or if he's already in law school or if he's

22:53

like about to graduate He could be like 21 He

22:57

buys beer at some point, right? I

23:00

don't remember him Yeah, they all they all have

23:02

alcohol and I guess true that the 15 year

23:04

olds do too Can I I'm gonna I'm gonna

23:06

tell you something my shock you Riley. Oh It

23:10

used to be pretty easy to beer. Yeah. Well,

23:12

it's just not it's not anymore. Yeah,

23:14

no back I Never

23:18

remember there being an issue

23:20

if we wanted Beer

23:23

I should clarify. I'm 23

23:26

it is easy for me to get here because I

23:28

am a legal adult But I

23:30

meant like in the high school if

23:32

people were wanting to have a party It wasn't just

23:34

like you could walk into a gas station

23:36

and like use your sister's ID

23:38

and they'd like would just barely glance

23:40

At it. You wouldn't care, you know

23:42

you use that You could

23:45

okay. I didn't have my first drink till

23:47

I was 17. So not shares age but

23:49

but It was not

23:51

especially in the 90s I do it was and I mean it

23:54

would be dependent on where you live and I think you also

23:56

like have this They're all they're all

23:58

like wealthy And

24:00

I think you you kind of especially. I feel

24:03

like there was a lot of perception and movies

24:05

back then that like wealthy people there. Yeah, they

24:07

probably have access to whatever. They want so if

24:09

want alcohol there's someone in their life will provide

24:12

them with the alcohol. For.

24:14

Their rating: Their parents liquor cabinet. That's a That's

24:16

a common trope and things from the nineties. Are

24:18

you all the parents had Leaders have no. Yeah.

24:23

I don't is that I don't think that would still

24:25

be treated a like I think the concept of rating

24:27

your parents liquor cabinet. For parents

24:29

to day would be very different. Yeah,

24:34

like you know what I mean. Like it

24:36

in chains I think how? The me idea

24:38

of liga a liquor cabins and like

24:40

this stock of liquor that you parents

24:42

rarely. todd's like it's as test there.

24:44

so than that. Didn't. Notice. Is

24:47

something that I don't think that's

24:49

that's true anymore and was no,

24:51

was fired? Yeah, no, I don't

24:53

think that's true that they're millennial

24:55

parents so they drink their liquor.

24:58

Here. As as their white

25:00

claws and they will notice the I think that

25:02

actually that I was gonna say whether that all

25:04

like a hard sell, things that you can't link,

25:06

fill the bottle backup, you know with water like

25:08

he's take the kids when they're gone say really

25:10

is it? It's a concept back from like when.

25:13

Will you hide Dad who had his. Legs.

25:16

Various glass bottles of brown. Liquid

25:18

that he kept under lock and key and a

25:20

cabinet like that was very much the here which

25:22

I don't know, you're drinking your mom sherry. Gold

25:26

Sluggers. Vs nobody was ah

25:28

ah The idea that they could

25:31

get alcohol is not that shocking.

25:34

I. Am very uncomfortable. Now I mean

25:36

I guess I we should have pieced

25:38

it together cause she is learning how

25:40

to drive. Yeah, and she's not graduating.

25:43

She doesn't graduate now. I'm yeah. I

25:45

guess that's why I've seen some some.

25:48

Commentary on that more recently. There.

25:51

Was no. You gotta remember though.

25:53

If you compare this as a

25:55

teen movie, To. Some of

25:58

the team movies from like that. Decade

26:00

The for. And Taylor

26:02

you'll know what I'm talking about because it were. They

26:04

were all these movies that like dad would tell us

26:06

where so funny. And

26:08

then we would watch them and it was like. Oh.

26:11

My God there's like first bought. There were

26:13

always boobs and I could believe like. The.

26:15

Who's is everywhere in this movie.

26:18

Dubious consent is get all yeah.

26:21

I mean like lots of like gosh, there's

26:23

that whole what? what's the one where they're

26:25

like looking through the hole in the shower.

26:28

Wallet in the girls' locker room at the

26:30

gym says several movies, I think that several

26:32

businesses and it's high school and he is

26:34

a high school. Thing

26:37

move. Movies in the in the eighties lead you

26:39

to believe that there is always a hole in

26:41

every fucking. Set.

26:44

I think if you look at

26:46

like how. Lake. Awful.

26:48

The way that I mean the whole issue. I

26:50

don't even have the worth worth. How that's

26:52

treated in the eighties. I.

26:54

Guess this was progress. Like.

26:59

It's. Still a key, but she

27:01

had agency. Yeah, well. the

27:04

relationship. Between her and. And.

27:06

Paul Reds and Officers

27:08

Miss Chime in just

27:10

their. What may be

27:12

for five years apart? That's not

27:14

a big deal if they are

27:17

both adults, and then again, she

27:19

looks very much. Like I

27:21

guess her he was the same ages him

27:23

yeah like you know and she looks in

27:25

her twenties in this movie so make sense

27:27

she was just making she's close that but

27:29

like it says. That

27:32

the framing that she supposed weaknesses

27:34

keeps his. Yeah.

27:36

Doesn't know, it's rough. But. It definitely

27:38

it is. Yeah, he was a few. Years. Older

27:41

than her. From.

27:44

Mit know indefinitely that. I.

27:47

Mean, I remember the teen

27:49

magazine articles about it about

27:51

like The Heart: Paul Rudd

27:53

about. That moment

27:55

where they kiss been like

27:58

overtones. lake. like

28:00

girly squeals. Like, I mean, I remember, like

28:02

it was very much a like, oh,

28:05

it's so romantic, can you imagine? Oh,

28:07

like I do not remember there being

28:09

outcry about like, he's an adult

28:11

and they were sort of related. Yeah,

28:15

I don't really care about the sort of related

28:17

part because it's like, they

28:19

aren't related by blood and also like

28:21

they don't really even know each other

28:23

that well, because again, their

28:25

parents aren't still married. Mm-hmm,

28:29

it's just the age. Yeah.

28:33

No, I mean, in retrospect, yes, it

28:35

is rough, it is rough because I

28:39

mean, like illegal. Yeah,

28:42

and it's a weird, I mean, it's a weird energy

28:44

then when you consider the scene where she comes in,

28:46

she's about to go out on her date with Christian

28:48

and she comes in in that white dress. That's

28:52

a weird, that's all weird now if she's 15.

28:56

I mean, not to, I don't wanna ruin Clueless,

28:58

it is one of my favorite movies of all

29:00

time. Like I watch it regularly anyways,

29:02

even when we're not talking about it on

29:04

this podcast. I love that movie. I've

29:07

written essays in school about that movie,

29:10

but that is weird to

29:12

think about because they

29:14

don't make a deal about it and it's not

29:16

really talked about, but now watching it back through

29:18

a more modern lens, it's like, well, obviously now

29:20

no one's gonna make a movie where

29:23

a 15 year old and a 19 year old guy end up

29:25

together, that

29:29

wouldn't be the romantic plot. Well,

29:32

and I think Hollywood

29:35

tries to do a little bit better job

29:37

of casting people that are the age, like

29:40

that look that age, because if you took

29:42

an actual 15 year old girl and put

29:44

her in that role, it would

29:46

feel like a very different movie. If

29:49

you put her in those outfits, it would feel

29:51

like a very different movie. Yeah.

29:54

A movie that nobody wants to watch. Well, you know,

29:56

I think that's so true because. You

30:00

know, I do not think it's

30:03

funny. Obviously she is supposed to be, when

30:06

she wears the dress and they comment on it,

30:08

the white dress, then it's very specifically like, this

30:12

is too revealing for you because you're young is

30:14

kind of the message he's sending. Or even more

30:16

so just like you're my daughter and I don't want you

30:18

wearing that. I don't even know that the, you know, I mean it's all sort

30:20

of like patriarchal kind of

30:22

stuff, not even necessarily age related. But

30:25

when she's wearing like plaid

30:27

skirts, which could

30:29

be very like, almost

30:32

like lewd in the right,

30:34

with the right sort of accessorizing

30:36

and framing, I do

30:39

not think it comes across that way. I don't,

30:42

I never got that vibe. Like I

30:44

feel like a lot of the outfits

30:46

she wears are not highly sexualized. They're

30:48

fashiony. Yeah. They're

30:50

very much what she

30:53

wants to wear for herself, what

30:55

she wants her friend Dion, who is

30:57

also fashiony, to see her in and

30:59

like compliment her and like she'll compliment

31:01

Dion. Like they're wearing things for other

31:04

people who appreciate fashion. So like imprint

31:07

these largely women to appreciate

31:09

they're not wearing things so that men will look

31:11

at them. They're wearing things so that everybody

31:13

will go, Oh my gosh, their fashion sense is

31:15

incredible. Does that make sense? Yeah.

31:18

Yeah. I think that's exactly, it's

31:20

actually when I say I wrote an essay about

31:22

clueless, I did in college and it was about

31:24

how Cher is written for the female gaze, not

31:26

the male gaze. Like she's not,

31:29

she's not there as like sexy lamp in

31:31

a movie for men to look at, you

31:33

know, she has agency.

31:35

I think the male gaze loves Cher.

31:38

Well, it does. It does. I mean, it's

31:40

just the male gaze. Oh,

31:45

for those of you listening at home, they did

31:47

a little hand flip. Yeah.

31:51

She's definitely written for the gaze.

31:53

The G I Y. Now

31:55

that, yes. But

31:58

yeah, I think you're definitely correct. It's not,

32:00

she's, She's not sexualized by the

32:02

way that she's dressed or filmed. It's

32:05

really interesting too because she even wears like I

32:07

think about like the sheer blouse

32:10

that she wears like

32:12

later in the movie. I always love that outfit.

32:14

It's when she realizes she loves Josh. Yeah. Like

32:18

shopping. Yes. I always

32:20

thought like that's a sheer shirt she's wearing

32:22

around and it for some

32:24

reason it isn't. I don't

32:27

know if that's how they couched the fact that

32:30

she is a 15 year old who's dating an

32:32

adult by the end of

32:34

the film. I don't know. Um,

32:37

speaking of fashion, Dion's hat

32:40

in the first scene of this movie lives

32:42

in my mind rent free on

32:44

a day's basis. I

32:47

think about that plastic lampshade

32:49

hat so regularly. It looks

32:51

like a Lego hat. It does.

32:55

I think about that too. I

32:57

mean the looks in this movie are just iconic

32:59

for so many reasons but that

33:02

first scene really where Cher's in the

33:04

yellow plaid skirt matching

33:07

blazer and Dion's in that hat

33:09

with the red and black and

33:11

white suit. Well

33:14

their whole look I mean that really like changed

33:17

the fashion of the era. I

33:19

was going to ask that if that hadn't influenced in

33:21

like what people were wearing. Oh

33:25

100% 100% like the

33:28

kind of like preppy fashiony

33:31

you know plaid and

33:34

knee socks definitely like all

33:36

of that very

33:38

much. It had a huge yes.

33:43

Everybody had those pins with

33:45

the fur on them too with the feathers.

33:47

Oh yeah. And

33:50

those chunky loafers. Very,

33:53

which I guess are back. I

33:55

was going to say those are back now. Well I

33:57

think everything in this movie has. come

34:00

back in style at least once since then.

34:02

Yeah, I think you're right. Not

34:04

twice. I have owned

34:06

many plaid skirts like that throughout my

34:08

lifetime, like when they come back in style.

34:10

I mean, some of that plaid

34:12

skirts like that are back in now. They're

34:15

very cute. Interesting. And you pair those with

34:17

some white knee socks and some chunky loafers.

34:20

Yeah, and a choker, maybe. Uh-huh,

34:22

yeah, a choker. Are like,

34:26

are berets back? A

34:28

beret's ever in. Yeah. I

34:31

don't think something can be back if it wasn't here to

34:33

be good at. I wore a beret for a while,

34:35

and I would like to again. I

34:37

mean, you go ahead. You re-walk those overalls. You

34:40

put a beret on. You got a whole look

34:42

there. Just a little

34:44

Parisian handyman. Sydney's

34:48

summer style. I

34:50

don't think you mean lesbian. I said

34:52

handyman. That's what I was going to say. I

34:55

was going to say a weird

34:57

kindergarten art teacher at a crunchy

34:59

private school with beret and

35:01

overall. Yeah, that's also that.

35:07

I just would like berets to come back as

35:09

long as we're talking about these

35:11

things. I would love to have a computer

35:13

program where I can scroll through everything. I

35:15

don't want to tell me, no, bad. No,

35:18

that's good. What

35:20

kind of AI did Cher have

35:22

back in the 90s that could give her

35:24

opinions on her closet? I

35:28

saw a TikTok of an app that is supposed to do

35:30

that. But to make

35:32

it work, and I downloaded it like, oh,

35:35

I need this, to make it work, you

35:37

have to take pictures individually of every single

35:39

thing you have in your closet. And

35:42

then it puts them together. And I

35:44

just can't do that. Cher's was just

35:46

already in there. The

35:48

only way this would be something

35:51

like that would work is if

35:54

you could scan the barcode when

35:56

you buy something, or if it had some sort of

35:59

tag that you scanned. and it already

36:01

had loaded all of these items

36:03

of clothing. You know what I mean? So you

36:05

didn't have to take pictures, but I feel like that would

36:07

be beyond the reach of what we could do right

36:09

now. I mean, AI is definitely

36:12

there, right? Like AI can put together

36:14

outfits for you. Sure, sure. You just

36:16

gotta give it the clothes you have.

36:19

That would take way too much time. Yeah. Which,

36:22

I mean, you have to wonder like, who did

36:24

that for Cher because she has a lot of

36:26

clothes. Well, she's gotta,

36:29

there's maids in the house.

36:33

I'm gonna guess that that's one of her jobs. Every

36:36

time she buys something new, that maid's gotta break out

36:38

the digital camera, take a

36:40

picture, edit out the

36:42

pixels and upload it to the. Yeah,

36:44

and this was 1995, so that was a

36:47

whole day. A lot of work. Yeah. I

36:50

gotta ask, did you all ever have

36:53

the clueless computer game? No.

36:55

No. Now I

36:57

keep saying I've seen TikToks, but I have, I've seen

36:59

TikToks of people playing it, like bringing it back out

37:02

from the

37:04

archives. I've seen TikToks of people

37:06

playing it. I didn't even know, I'm sure Justin did, but

37:08

I didn't even know it existed. But it

37:10

has pictures of real life clothes in this

37:12

computer game. They're not animated, everything else is,

37:14

but the clothes are just pictures of real

37:16

clothes that you put together out. I

37:22

love that. The computer

37:24

program felt very much like when

37:26

Clarissa on Clarissa Explains It All used to

37:28

do her little computer games and things. Yeah.

37:31

That was very much that vibe. It would

37:33

be a similar time. It was that moment where like, we

37:36

don't really understand computers

37:38

yet, or what they do,

37:40

or how to use them. And certainly most

37:42

people don't have them yet at this point,

37:44

like they were still a luxury item. So

37:48

these cool teens will use them in

37:50

cool ways that we think might happen.

37:54

That was like a weird, it wasn't futuristic, it

37:56

was just like, if you got a cool teen,

37:58

they gotta have some cool tech. probably doesn't

38:00

exist. Like you were like, I don't

38:02

know, hey Arnold's bedroom, what was that

38:05

futuristic wonderland that this young boy, like

38:07

well he's cool, he's in a big

38:09

city, he probably has a transformer

38:12

for a bedroom. No,

38:16

that was definitely the moment where we're like we

38:19

don't understand technology so we'll just kind of fill

38:21

in the blanks with what we think it might

38:23

do. This is fine. And nobody

38:25

knows. They had a

38:27

version of it in the Hannah Montana now that

38:29

I'm remembering when Miley Cyrus got to move into

38:31

a new house, she had a closet that was

38:34

half Hannah and half Miley and it had a

38:36

little screen and she could like tap the parts

38:38

of the outfit she wanted and it would like

38:40

spiral around and present it to her. Which

38:44

was I think the early 2000s

38:46

like step into, we understand technology

38:48

a little bit more now. We

38:52

can touch screens and make things

38:54

happen but we

38:56

still don't totally understand its full

38:58

capability. The Jetsons have still not

39:01

left the conversation. Right, right. The

39:03

entire reason the movie Hackers got made

39:05

because it's like I don't know, I

39:07

think that you just aggressively type on

39:09

your computer and that you can make

39:11

a rocket that way, I don't

39:15

know. I've

39:19

never gotten the opportunity to aggressively type on

39:21

a computer and that really bums me out like

39:23

when's my turn? Can

39:25

you get in? I'm getting in. I'm almost

39:28

in. I'm through the firewall. I'm in

39:30

the mainframe. Let me type faster. There are

39:32

viruses on my tail. Just type and it looks like you're hacking. You

39:34

can aggressively type. That would be fun. I

39:45

don't think that's how hacking works. No. No.

39:49

I'm pretty sure it doesn't. From my understanding, it's not

39:51

as exciting. No. No,

39:53

you just like run a program and then you leave

39:55

it for a few hours. So you come back later

39:58

and it might have results. Technology

40:00

isn't as exciting as we thought it was

40:03

going to be. It is scarier than we thought

40:05

it was going to be. Yeah. We got

40:07

the worst version of technology. It's

40:10

weird because it's scarier than we thought it was going

40:12

to be and we did make the movie Terminator so

40:14

we knew it was going to be scary but we

40:16

didn't know how, like the

40:18

way it would be scary. Yeah.

40:22

Also, we made it. Like humans made

40:24

it. Why do

40:26

we keep going? I will because, I

40:28

mean, because all... We

40:31

just stopped with like floppy disks. I mean,

40:33

all along the way, there were really smart people

40:36

that know all this stuff that were like, hey,

40:38

this ends badly. Excuse me, this ends badly. Hi,

40:40

hello. I am a master at this technology and

40:42

I'm telling you, don't do this. And we were

40:44

like, yeah, we're going to do it anyway. What

40:46

are we just doing? We're going to keep going.

40:49

And I was like, oh no, what do we

40:51

do? It's

40:53

ending badly. What a pretend

40:56

in this. All we did

40:58

was ask if we could and we

41:00

never stopped to ask if we should.

41:05

Jeff Kuellman was right there warning us decades

41:07

ago. How long? I feel

41:09

that way. I don't know. This is an

41:12

aside but I keep getting videos about another

41:14

plane where a piece fell off of a

41:16

plane. You know, this seems to be

41:18

a thing that's happening a lot. I'm like, you know what? I

41:22

know that there is a professional,

41:24

some sort of specialist in planes and plane

41:27

legislation out there that was telling us this

41:29

was going to happen like at least five

41:31

years ago. It was like, hey, whatever. These

41:33

laws are going to get passed or this

41:36

legislation is going to drop or something and

41:39

all of our planes are going to start falling out

41:41

of the sky. Somebody I don't even know. I haven't

41:43

seen it but I know for sure. There's somebody out

41:45

there that's like, yeah, I said this was going to

41:47

happen and now it's happening.

41:49

Okay, no joke. So you know,

41:52

here in Huntington, well, technically

41:54

Barbersville, the target is falling off

41:56

the hill. split

42:00

in half. Yeah, literally in half. The building is

42:02

cracked. Uh-huh. It's cracked in half. Well, they've demolished

42:04

that part of it now, but it's falling off

42:06

the hill because the back of the hill was

42:09

like, it was

42:11

like all built on top of something that shouldn't have been

42:13

built on and I don't know. So the back of the

42:15

hill was slipping and then the back of it slipped so

42:17

much that the target broke in half and half of it

42:19

has fallen off the hill. Um, but

42:22

they just, there was a news article out

42:24

yesterday, the local news that said there was

42:26

a study done ahead of building

42:28

this target and the

42:30

study estimated that there was a 70

42:33

to a hundred percent chance that this

42:35

hill would slip and it would fall

42:37

off. 70

42:40

to a hundred percent that this target would

42:42

break in half and fall off the hill

42:44

and some developer was like, I like

42:46

those eyes. Don't

42:49

ever tell me the odds and then built the target

42:52

and look what happened. Now where am

42:54

I supposed to go when I go

42:56

home? There are some jobs where the

42:58

odds should matter. Like, look, I

43:00

know sometimes when I'm like doing a close open at

43:03

my job and like I'm closing for myself to open

43:05

the next day, I'm like, I'm not going to restock

43:07

this fridge tonight. I'm tired. I'm not going to do

43:09

it. And then when I come in the next day,

43:11

I'm like, man, I wish I'd done that. Man,

43:15

I was a jerk last night when I

43:17

didn't do it, but that's why I'm in

43:19

food service. I can affect very small margins

43:21

of things. I should not be

43:23

allowed to build buildings with that mentality. This

43:27

is humanity. Our past

43:29

selves are constantly screwing over our future

43:31

selves. But in

43:34

this case it was with a target. Yeah.

43:36

Yeah. How does that, I mean, I just,

43:38

I don't know. This geologist came out and

43:40

was like, yeah, there was a report that

43:42

said that this was extremely likely, almost maybe

43:44

a hundred percent likely. It's definitely going

43:46

to fall off this hill. And

43:49

they were like, build the target. They

43:51

didn't even think like maybe we should do

43:53

something to like reinforce the hill in the

43:55

years we have before it falls off the

43:57

hill. No, they're having to like. buy

44:00

three new houses for people too because there's

44:02

a chance that the target continues to fall

44:04

and falls on houses so at

44:07

the bottom of the hill so now they're having to buy people

44:09

new houses in addition to demolishing

44:11

the back half of the target and then

44:13

trying to secure it on the remaining

44:15

hill. I'm

44:17

so sad about the target. When

44:19

I tell you all the first place I go every time

44:21

I come home because it makes me so happy and I

44:24

don't have one I can easily get to here. Now

44:27

I can't it's just indefinitely closed. Maybe

44:31

next time they'll let's

44:35

hubris in their target. They'll

44:38

listen to the geologist. You got

44:40

a geologist involved I think you should listen to him. Right.

44:45

Cher would love target. It

44:47

must be so hard to be a scientist right now

44:49

where you're just constantly saying like hey this is a

44:51

bad thing that we're doing and nobody listens to you.

44:55

We hear you but we're just going to ignore you. Yeah

44:59

that's fine but that's not going to affect me for what five years. No

45:01

no it's going to affect you like at the end by the end

45:03

of the year you're going to be paying for it. Yeah that's not

45:06

so far away. I'm not even going to. I'm not worried about that.

45:08

I'm not going to be here. I'm

45:11

not concerned. Anyway blah

45:14

blah blah. Yeah. Now

45:17

would Cher love target because I will say and I

45:19

didn't realize it till the rewatch that there's the one

45:21

character that everybody kind of doesn't like. The redhead girl.

45:26

But one of the reason Amber that they don't

45:28

like her is apparently she buys fake designer clothes.

45:30

It's like there's a bit of like oh

45:33

she is she poor. Is

45:35

that it. She's like not as rich as the other people.

45:37

So they make fun of her because I like that as

45:39

much. I was like oh yeah she's a mean girl. She's

45:41

not mean she just buys off label. Yeah.

45:46

Is it that or is it more so like

45:49

she was trying to pass them off as real. Well

45:52

still I mean. I mean. Well

45:55

I know but like like the difference of

45:57

just buy things that aren't. Vigneault,

46:00

Diner or Designer Answer: Iona I I

46:03

do think it's like us. On

46:05

authentic wealth like a new money old

46:07

money kind of thing that's happening there

46:10

are no place here and Dion represent

46:12

like the established wealth in the community

46:14

and ever is any yeah his new

46:16

money and so like sorry for the

46:18

with a their caffeine or kind of

46:20

tacky you can ago she album. But.

46:23

I mean Anna, you can using criticize to like. it

46:25

takes some the whole movie. To figure out that

46:28

Brittany Murphy is perfect just the way

46:30

she is and raise? You know? Yeah, tide

46:32

is not need to. He is. Of course

46:34

he is. Of course he has loved Britney

46:36

Murphy some. Loved. Loved

46:39

that Sake Radner hair didn't need to wash That.

46:41

Out know. That.

46:45

That. Was a met again these are all

46:47

this is Author very nine these happy ending

46:49

lens like. At the end, yes

46:51

Sir gets the significantly older guys.

46:55

Who sells them? I realized about

46:57

who they're don't don't stress on

46:59

that but targets to be herself

47:01

and date the skater boy him.

47:05

You. Know so. I that's a

47:07

very the three nineties happy ending. I really.

47:09

Appreciated how many times the title of

47:12

the movie was said in the movie.

47:14

I know like the first time it

47:16

up it as a out somebody called

47:19

her clueless and that was like L

47:21

games but then make it happen. I

47:23

think three more times were like sea

47:26

to sky people. As clueless as she

47:28

said I think I am in fact

47:30

clueless with. Title

47:32

Sequence. I didn't realize that until I

47:35

rewards sit for this like men is

47:37

everywhere he said it is. For

47:40

it's a thought I think so. lake.

47:43

especially for of for its time. it's

47:45

clever. It'll Lonnie. It's.

47:47

Well written, I.

47:50

Mean it's self aware. Nobody is arguing

47:52

that like these characters are are great

47:54

and brilliant and groundbreaking and you know

47:56

what I mean Like. they're

47:58

teenagers they're trees like people who still have a

48:00

lot to learn and figure out but are

48:03

not completely unworthy of listening to

48:06

which again is a groundbreaking idea for

48:09

its time. So I don't know. I

48:11

do like we said I do appreciate that it

48:13

doesn't feature women just to be sexy. I

48:16

don't know. A little

48:19

bit more agency than that. I feel like

48:21

the whole the inclusion of Christian

48:23

and that little character arc is you

48:26

know now he wouldn't bat an eye at it. But I feel

48:28

like for the time like the fact that it was clear like

48:30

the point of this girl he's gay and

48:32

that's why he's not into her and that's okay

48:34

like he's going to continue to be her friend

48:36

like I thought that was that

48:39

was surprising on rewatch like it's just

48:41

you know yeah

48:44

a gay subplot that's true not treated

48:46

as anything other than just that's why

48:48

they're not together. Yeah and

48:50

then and then they're just friends and that's that

48:52

yeah it's not a joke about him it's more

48:55

so joke about her that she you know trying

48:57

so hard to impress him and you know well

48:59

it doesn't pick up on that he's gay. And

49:01

it's not he's not like a bad

49:03

gay stereotype like he's clearly he's got

49:05

his weird old Hollywood saying that's not

49:08

like oh it must be a gay guy

49:10

like it's just like he's a person that's what he's into

49:12

but you know yeah it happens to be gay. Yeah

49:16

yeah he's right it is believable that she doesn't

49:18

immediately know that he's gay like it is not

49:20

you know like he is not a gay stereotype

49:23

that you usually would see in the 90s like

49:26

he is a more nuanced character

49:28

than than the gay community got back then.

49:31

Yeah so no

49:33

I I would still recommend

49:35

it obviously I don't think the girls

49:37

have seen it yet. Oh Charlie would

49:39

love it Charlie has a Cher costume how has

49:41

she not seen it? I think I don't

49:43

know I mean but I don't

49:46

think they've seen it but

49:48

they would show it to them yeah I think they'd

49:50

love it. It's on a Paramount Plus I

49:52

think is where I watched it yeah. Well

49:56

thank you both for watching it again. Of course

49:58

I will always watch Clueless. Tell you what's next.

50:01

I thought we could talk about the

50:04

Donnas, which is a band from the

50:06

same era. Specifically, the album

50:08

I remember really liking was Get Skin

50:11

Tight. So that's the one you can look

50:13

for. Me too. I've

50:16

never listened, so I'm looking forward to it. Alright,

50:20

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50:23

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