Chris interviews Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza, and they talk about what it means to get curious about ourselves, the journey that is becoming, and tending to our wounds. Find Roberto Che Espinoza's work at robertoche.com. Contact Chris at chrisfurr.com.

The Straight White Male podcast is recorded at Arbor Ridge Studios in Chapel Hill, NC and produced by Jeff Crawford. Find Jeff and the studio at arborridgestudios.com. Music by Josh Kimbrough.