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different. Welcome

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4:04

Familiars. Hey

4:29

Allison. Hello. We're early this week

4:32

because I could set it to

4:35

drop on Thursday at

4:37

the normal time. I could schedule it for

4:39

almost everywhere we put the podcast, but there's one

4:41

place I don't want to call them out because

4:43

it's just... It's just the logistics.

4:45

Yeah, it's just a silly back end thing. There's one place

4:48

I can't do that and it seems like such a headache.

4:50

I'm just going to drop the episode early. I don't think

4:52

anybody will complain about that. For once we're

4:54

not late. And

4:56

the reason for that is I'm going out of town. I'm

4:59

going to South Dakota. I'm not sure how much

5:01

I could say about the trip now, but it

5:03

is Strange Familiars related. It won't

5:05

be like Indiana. I will be able to

5:07

pretty much tell everything when I get back. So

5:10

it's not going to be another one of these trips where I

5:12

go with all this excitement and I come back and they're like,

5:14

yeah, I got to figure out how to tell everybody about this.

5:17

I should be able to talk about, in general,

5:19

I mean, there might be some specific locations

5:22

and people's stories, they want private and so forth.

5:24

But in general, I should be able to talk

5:27

about everything when I get back. Are you allowed

5:29

to say where you're going? I'm

5:31

not sure. I

5:33

guess that's a no then. I didn't set up the

5:36

trip and I'm not sure the parameters of it. So

5:38

I just would just not announce it right now. We'll

5:40

just say South Dakota and then. Are you going to

5:42

get to see Mount Rushmore? I have

5:44

no clue. Quite possibly not.

5:47

I don't know how big South Dakota is, but I'm

5:50

betting it's bigger than I think it is. We have

5:52

a pretty tight schedule. But in any case, I'm

5:55

asking for patience once again with my email.

5:57

This is going to throw me

6:00

even. further behind on email. And

6:02

if you've been waiting for me to respond,

6:04

if you've been going back and forth with me about

6:06

trying to get on the show and I haven't sent

6:08

a date, I will get there. But

6:12

obviously, I'm going to be going for

6:14

a week here and I'm just

6:17

going to throw everything off once again. But I'll do my best to

6:19

catch up when I get back. We

6:21

have an idea for a show next week that we should be able

6:23

to get done in time, but it might be

6:25

late or we might do two shows the

6:27

following week or something like that. So if

6:30

the schedule on the show is wonky here over the

6:32

next couple weeks, it's due to my traveling. John

6:35

is going with me. Tyler is

6:37

not. So it's not the

6:39

three stooges from Indiana, but

6:41

it is two stooges from Pennsylvania.

6:45

Oh, I'm just looking at

6:48

places in South Dakota that exist now that I'm

6:50

jealous of like all the like there's cool stuff

6:52

in South Dakota. But I don't know if

6:54

you'll get to see any of it. But yeah, I don't know. I'm

6:56

not sure. Now seems like the time of year

6:58

to go to South Dakota. Because in

7:01

January isn't one of the coldest places in the

7:03

whole country. It might be. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

7:06

it seems like it might be a little hot for me

7:08

there even now though, but we'll see. But so is most

7:10

of the country. Yeah, exactly. So is right here. Yeah. As

7:13

far as Indiana and the Witch Jiggers, like

7:15

John and I said last week, we talked

7:18

to the witnesses and we're a

7:20

lot more comfortable about the way we're going to frame the

7:22

story. We have ideas about how

7:24

we're going to present it. So

7:26

that will be happening in the future. We're

7:28

going to get to it. And we're going

7:30

back to Indiana. So lots and lots of

7:32

traveling this year for this guy right here.

7:35

All right. On tonight's show, I'm going to

7:37

be talking with Alden. He's got a story

7:39

about a goblin, a man in

7:41

stripes that he saw around his house when he was

7:44

young. I was really trying to make

7:46

it into a flannel man, but it absolutely

7:48

wasn't. Nine stripes. OBEs and

7:51

more, including the story of

7:54

this encounter with what I call

7:56

un-people, these people that seem by

7:59

their look to be just people, although

8:01

they were like dressed in hazmat

8:04

suits in a really weird situation, but

8:06

they're just acting weird. They're in a weird situation. It gave

8:09

a weird feeling when people saw them, kind of like

8:11

the Bunny Man thing. It's kind of like Flannel Man.

8:14

I just call them un-people. They seem to be people,

8:16

but there's something just off and weird about them. So

8:18

without further ado, let's talk to Alton. I'd

8:35

like to welcome Alton to Strange Familiars. How are you doing tonight?

8:39

Good, good. How are you doing? Thanks for

8:41

having me on. It's

8:43

a variety of things that happened to you. There's pretty weird

8:45

stuff, which, hey, I'm down for it. This is Strange Familiars.

8:47

This is what we're here for. Do you

8:49

have any clue? Like, do you think they're all related or

8:51

do you think it's just random

8:54

things that happened? Well,

8:57

I think it

9:00

seems a bit random, I guess. Like

9:02

it's kind of been small

9:06

things throughout my life. And

9:08

it's, I don't know, it was kind of hard for

9:10

me to like almost remember all of it. Like, until

9:14

somewhat recently, I kind of like

9:17

made like a big list of everything because I was thinking

9:19

about it. And I was just like, yeah,

9:22

I've had this and that happen. And then I was like,

9:25

I should just like write all this down. And I was like, Oh, it's more

9:27

than I kind of

9:29

thought. I don't know. You know, it's kind of hard.

9:31

Like, you know, that's, that's common though. Like a lot

9:33

of people, yeah, once they start writing stuff

9:35

down, they're like, Oh yeah, then there was that other, I mean,

9:37

it happened with me too. I had forgotten stuff

9:39

until I started writing my book and stuff. I was like, Oh yeah,

9:41

I remember that thing from when I was a kid. Oh yeah. Yeah.

9:44

I think that's pretty common because you know, some

9:46

of this stuff is just, you

9:48

followed away like any other memory, you know, right,

9:52

right. Yeah. It's like, it hides

9:54

from you kind of, I don't know, weird, bizarre

9:57

stuff, but yeah, I don't know if it's all

9:59

related really. Yeah. Yeah, that's the true answer, right? Like,

10:01

you know, it's like when people ask me what this

10:03

stuff is, but the true answer is I don't know.

10:05

You know, I have guesses what it could be. I

10:08

have things I think it might be. In

10:10

the end, I don't know. Do you wanna

10:13

start with the stuff when you're a kid and work forward,

10:15

or how did you wanna tell these? Yeah,

10:17

I guess I'll just start when I was a kid. So,

10:20

I always had

10:22

really weird kinda sleep stuff. Like, I

10:24

had a lot of night terrors, and

10:26

I would sleepwalk, like, constantly. Like,

10:29

I tried to leave the house and stuff. I know that's

10:31

like, you know, relatively normal, but I don't

10:33

know, lots of like weird sleep-related things

10:35

kinda come up

10:37

with this stuff, it seems. But the

10:40

first like major thing was, I

10:44

was probably like five maybe.

10:48

I lived in this apartment. It

10:50

was this basement apartment. I lived in it

10:52

with my mom, and I woke

10:55

up one night and just kinda walked

10:57

out of my room for no

11:00

reason, really. And I

11:02

look on the kitchen table, which was kinda near

11:04

my room, and there's kinda like a

11:07

column, like a wooden column

11:09

in front of it, sort of. And I

11:11

just see this little like, it's just a

11:13

pig. It's like a small cat-sized

11:16

pig, and it peeks

11:19

around like this column and standing on

11:21

my kitchen counter, or table, I

11:23

mean. And it had like

11:25

this expression,

11:27

like it had like a smile, kinda, it kinda

11:29

smiled at me. I don't know, it sounds weird,

11:32

but it peeked

11:34

around and kinda cocked its

11:36

head to the side and

11:38

kinda gave me a smile. And

11:41

I freaked out, I like was super scared.

11:43

I freaked out, and

11:45

I was like, oh my God, oh my God, what do I do? So

11:47

I just like went back in

11:49

my room and fell back asleep. But yeah, it

11:51

was super clear, like was wide

11:54

awake, everything. Do

11:56

you remember it looking like a natural

11:58

pig, or? There's

12:00

a reason I'm asking this more like a like a cartoon

12:02

character on this It

12:05

was cartoonish in a way it looked realistic, but

12:07

it doesn't look like natural

12:10

necessarily like it wasn't just like someone

12:13

let a pig in my house it was like there

12:15

was definitely something off about it there was like an Intelligence

12:19

in its eyes like more so than a normal

12:21

pig and other relatively smart, I guess But

12:24

it looked very conscious and very like

12:27

aware and like it saw

12:29

me I don't know it had like this very kind of

12:31

yeah, just intelligent and conscious

12:33

look and The

12:36

face looked a bit different like it wasn't I Don't

12:39

know it had black eyes like kind of shiny

12:42

black eyes from what I remember But

12:45

was it yeah on all fours like a you

12:48

know a natural pig would be Yeah,

12:51

I think so I didn't see the back like legs, but

12:53

it looked like it was on all fours, okay Now

12:56

the reason I is about the cartoon thing is I've had

12:59

more than one person tell me when they were you know

13:01

young they saw sort of like a Cartoon

13:03

they said was like a living cartoon It's

13:06

the smile is I believe it at least one

13:08

of those stories. They said it smiled at them

13:10

and To me that's

13:12

that's particularly creepy, but yeah,

13:15

yeah, that's extremely weird As

13:18

comfortable with you are telling us and you can

13:20

be sort of general when and about where was

13:23

this happening? Yeah,

13:25

this was probably like 2001

13:28

or something and it was in a town

13:31

called Bellingham, Washington. It's like kind of near

13:33

Seattle. Mm-hmm It's a kind of a

13:35

sleepy town. I don't know. It's

13:37

an interesting place I

13:39

know a lot of people like I grew up with

13:41

also have weird stories from that place. It's kind of

13:44

a haunted little Town.

13:47

Yeah, so tell me about this

13:49

man in the striped shirt. You'd see him in the

13:51

same apartment Yeah, it was

13:53

the same place. So this is like pretty quick.

13:55

There's not like too much to it, but Yeah,

13:59

same apartment like same timeframe I would see

14:01

just out of the corner of my eye

14:03

was just like a

14:06

human like shape and it was just I saw

14:08

stripes like it was just the

14:10

torso was just stripes that's all I could really make

14:12

out hmm and that's kind of all

14:14

but yeah he would just pop up like and

14:17

I would see it and like I thought I pictured

14:20

like one of those

14:22

cartoonish like a prison

14:24

like suits from you

14:26

know old movies yeah yeah yeah so

14:29

I just always thought it was like a prisoner

14:31

guy or something and like I don't know I would

14:33

he never bothered me really it was just like yeah

14:36

I would see him at the corner of my eye and be like oh there's the

14:39

guy if there's the prisoner guy again I told

14:42

my mom at the time and she was like okay whatever

14:45

yeah but do you remember the stripes being black and

14:47

white like that yeah

14:49

it was black and white and that was like the main

14:52

kind of feature of the whole thing

14:54

huh yeah I

14:56

want he I'm gonna say you know I want to

14:58

turn into a flannel man the way Bigfoot guys turn

15:01

every you know people see whatever in the woods they're

15:03

like yeah I saw a giant chicken in the woods

15:05

and the Bigfoot guys be like you sure one Bigfoot

15:09

yeah no but maybe it's a flannel and I got in

15:11

trouble and they made him a where the yeah I need

15:13

to change it disguise

15:16

quick did it ever like confront

15:19

you or do anything or just it was just one of

15:21

these things where you just catch it quickly

15:23

and then it's going yeah

15:26

it was just no interaction just kind of

15:28

watching me I guess I don't know I

15:30

got the feeling like he

15:33

liked to like watch me not

15:35

necessarily in a creepy way but like maybe

15:38

he just liked watching a kid just

15:40

doing kid stuff and like being lost in

15:43

his imagination I guess I have no idea if you

15:45

had I know this is a long time ago now

15:47

if you had to guess how many times you saw

15:49

them like

15:53

three or four times yeah

15:55

okay yeah

15:58

and apartments are weird places you know People

16:00

think you need an old Victorian mansion

16:02

to have hauntings and stuff, but we

16:04

get a lot of stories from apartments

16:07

a lot of stories from Yeah, totally.

16:09

I've had way more like most

16:11

of it is from apartments. I lived For

16:14

a while in an actual house and like there was

16:16

the least like Haunted place

16:18

in the world. I think yeah, I mean

16:20

well They're they are by definition liminal places,

16:23

you know people don't tend to live in

16:25

apartments forever. They come in vehicle Yeah,

16:28

for sure next

16:30

I Ended up

16:33

with the same like house. It was split

16:35

up into apartments but we moved

16:37

up into like this upper area and It

16:41

was one night. I just I woke up.

16:44

I think I was sick or something. I might have been like

16:47

Sick, I don't know. I kind of

16:49

was sick a lot sickly child almost from

16:52

what I remember and I Open

16:55

my eyes and there was just a little like goblin.

16:57

I guess the only way I could say it as

17:00

a goblin Standing

17:02

on like balancing on the door

17:04

like our door was open to the bedroom It

17:08

was just a little green Goblin guy

17:10

just standing on the door and

17:12

he was just like he was kind of waving his

17:14

arms around like Up and down like

17:16

he had him out like kind of like, you know L-shaped things

17:18

and he was just like eat or

17:20

eat or like up and down like

17:23

trying to get my attention almost and I

17:27

Just kind of watched him for a while and I don't

17:29

know what happened. I guess I just went back to sleep. Yeah, he

17:32

was a green

17:35

and very like round his

17:37

like No neck really.

17:39

He just kind of looked like a

17:41

very round body and kind of skinny arms

17:43

and just the big like pointy

17:46

hooked nose The

17:48

pointy ears like everything really what you would

17:50

picture a goblin to be and

17:53

yeah, that was That was

17:55

the goblin. I don't know what he was Doing

17:58

what he wanted, but huh about how old were

18:00

you at this point? That

18:02

was probably like a couple years later so I guess

18:06

six ish seven okay somewhere

18:08

around there interesting yeah

18:11

so in the same house I had I always

18:13

had this memory of getting

18:15

like a surgery basically so it took place

18:18

like in this device

18:20

like it was a chair you

18:23

know like massage tables they have those like headrest

18:25

things you can like breathe through

18:29

it was like that but it was a chair but you

18:31

sat in it backwards like so your back was exposed yeah

18:34

just have this memory of

18:36

like getting surgery

18:38

like on my back like in

18:40

one of these chairs yeah I never

18:43

had the only surgery I ever had is I had

18:45

that like an ear related surgery but

18:47

yeah I don't really know what to think

18:50

of that it's just like always kind of there in the

18:52

back of my mind I don't know yeah that's

18:54

interesting you don't remember seeing

18:57

who was operating you or

18:59

anything like that no but it

19:01

was like in third person like I could see

19:03

myself like I remember the memory was me like

19:06

watching myself almost but no

19:08

I don't remember the people doing

19:10

it it was just like this really

19:12

bright room like white light that's

19:15

pretty much everything Wow did

19:18

you ever have any like when you woke up or

19:20

you know later

19:23

on I don't mean to call it a dream but

19:25

you know what I mean did you ever have any associated

19:27

pain with it anything or scars or anything

19:29

like that no not really I

19:31

mean I've had like back

19:34

pain and stuff throughout my life but like not

19:37

in the same spot and I never had any marks

19:39

or anything and like I

19:41

don't remember the specific like time that

19:43

it happened it was just kind of

19:45

like always in

19:47

my head but it wasn't it never

19:49

happened in a way like I don't know that sounds

19:51

weird but like it wasn't like

19:53

I woke up and I was like oh crazy dream it was just

19:56

like I just remembered it

19:58

right yeah you mentioned these out

20:00

of body experiences, do you think this

20:02

was some kind of weird OBE thing

20:04

where you were, you know, I don't want to

20:06

suggest abducted, but where you were in

20:08

some other place kind of thing. It

20:11

could have been. Yeah, I don't remember

20:13

having like any of these OBE

20:16

type things until later,

20:19

but it's possible because I've had them

20:21

like a lot throughout my life. So

20:23

these are involuntary OBE experiences? In

20:25

other words, you just find yourself out of body.

20:27

It's not something you tried to do. I

20:30

have tried to do it before. Like,

20:32

it's a mix. Sometimes it happens. Like, I'll just kind of

20:34

end up like popping out of my body. And

20:39

I eventually kind of learned how

20:41

to like do it, not

20:44

on command, but I would feel it happening.

20:47

So I guess it was kind of involuntary. So it

20:49

would like I would feel this kind of tingly

20:52

buzzing sensation. I

20:55

kind of learned how to like focus on

20:57

it. And I learned how to, you

20:59

know, sit up out of my body and stuff, but it would just

21:01

kind of happen. Like,

21:03

I wouldn't choose to do it. I would kind of

21:05

choose to like go along

21:08

with it almost. Interesting.

21:10

Yeah, weird. Yeah, the buzzing. Another weird

21:12

thing about the OBEs was my

21:14

face always like contorted when

21:17

I got fully paralyzed. Like I would

21:19

always feel my face contort and

21:21

it would just be locked in this weird

21:23

kind of like, I'd always have my teeth

21:25

there full like snarl. It

21:28

was really weird. It was like, it always

21:30

happens with them. And I'd like

21:32

be pressing on my teeth like so hard with my

21:34

tongue that I thought I was going to like pop

21:36

my teeth out of my head. Oh, wow.

21:39

Another thing is I'd get this strange kind

21:41

of emotion when I would go

21:44

out of body like I felt really, what's

21:48

the word like mischievous, I guess. I

21:51

don't know. I

21:53

wanted to, I guess cause

21:55

a ruckus almost. Like I just felt like

21:57

very wild tricksterish. I

22:00

almost want to say like animalistic like I had

22:02

been like freed from like a cage

22:04

or something and I just wanted to like run around and

22:07

just Yeah, I messed

22:09

everything up so going

22:11

along with that the first true like

22:14

moment of that was One

22:17

of my like sleep terror type things I

22:21

got woken up in the middle of one

22:23

and I could feel like myself like my

22:25

body like I could

22:27

feel myself screaming and like thrashing around

22:29

and stuff, but I was totally disconnected No,

22:33

like emotion or anything like and I just felt

22:35

like I was like floating But

22:37

it was like my body I could I knew I was

22:39

flipping out And

22:41

that was like the earliest. Um, yeah the

22:44

earliest one and

22:46

then next

22:50

we get into Kind of

22:52

when I started to figure out sort of how to

22:54

like let it happen I uh Was

22:56

living in this place This

22:58

was years later you

23:01

know 19 or 20 or something so it's a big jump

23:03

but I uh Was

23:08

falling asleep and

23:10

we get this, you know, the tingly kind

23:12

of sensation And

23:15

I kind of freaked out a little bit But

23:18

I went along with it Ended

23:20

up Sort of getting frozen

23:22

and I felt my face, you know do the

23:24

contortion thing which freaked me out because

23:26

it was the first time it did that And

23:29

I was just floating kind of a little bit above

23:31

my body My room

23:33

was exactly the same except there was like

23:36

a chandelier above me and it

23:38

was swinging like it was like a crystal

23:41

like chandelier like I

23:43

don't know if they were real crystals or there was plastic

23:45

ones that are kind of like carved or what but it was

23:48

just Yeah, it was a chandelier And

23:50

it was swinging above me Back

23:53

and forth and I started counting down. I

23:55

got this urge to like count down the

23:59

swings And I started from 19, I don't

24:01

know why, 19. And

24:05

I got, I was just counting down, 19, 18, 17. And

24:08

as soon as I got to zero, I

24:14

just immediately woke up. And I

24:17

don't know what to think of that. It was really weird.

24:19

It was very short and simple, but

24:22

I don't know what it means. It's just very bizarre. But yeah,

24:24

I was definitely out of my body. Same

24:27

place. A couple

24:29

months later, I happened again, like

24:33

almost exact same setup. Like the

24:35

face gets, you know,

24:37

I start grinning sort of. And

24:40

that time I just floated just straight up

24:43

and up and up and up through the

24:45

house and everything. And

24:47

just eventually it just was just blackness.

24:49

Like just, I just went into this like a void and

24:51

I just kept going just straight

24:53

up. It was weird. I

24:56

don't remember what happened after that. I

24:58

guess I could have fallen

25:00

asleep or something, but yeah, I just was just flying

25:03

straight up in the air. But like involuntarily,

25:05

I didn't figure out how to fly until

25:08

actually kind of recently. So

25:10

yeah, I was just getting pulled up. And I felt

25:12

like I felt really excited,

25:15

I guess. I was like, let's go, let's go, we're going

25:17

up. So those were like the times

25:19

I kind of learned how to do it in a

25:21

way. Years later, like

25:23

a few years later, I guess. Maybe five years

25:25

later. Had moved again.

25:28

I moved, I don't know, I moved a lot. It's weird, I can never

25:31

seem to stay put for too long. But

25:35

it was another apartment. It was a basement apartment again.

25:38

Yeah, same situation. Everything

25:40

happened just like I explained. And

25:42

then I sat

25:44

up out of my body and I walked out of my

25:46

bedroom and there was a little gray cat on

25:49

my floor. And it was just, it

25:51

was really small. It was a, it didn't look

25:53

like a kitten, but it was just a very petite little

25:55

gray cat. And I was like, oh,

25:57

cool, a cat. And so I went over to

25:59

try. to pet her and she kind of

26:02

yelled at me and scratched me like on my

26:04

hand and I like felt

26:06

I heard the meow like I the

26:08

pain of her like scratching me like woke me up

26:10

fully like I went back

26:12

into my body and I heard I could hear like the

26:15

tail end of her meow like as

26:18

I opened my eyes and as I was like back in

26:20

my body and yeah I

26:22

felt the scratch and everything but

26:25

she was cute and then weirdly enough a

26:27

bunch of people I had over would always be like do

26:29

you have a cat in here? Cause they would cheer like

26:32

wow out of the corner of her eyes like

26:34

they'd be like yeah where's your cat man? Like

26:37

I don't have a cat but oh wow there's

26:39

a cat in here do they describe the same

26:41

cat? Yeah they just

26:43

said small like they just they yes

26:45

small gray cat but they just just

26:47

see little flashes apparently I'm a

26:51

big fan of cats so it's kind of cool there was

26:53

a little ghost cat in there yeah you

26:55

know I have to ask did you have scratches on your

26:57

hand when you woke up? No

27:00

I didn't I wish that that

27:02

was really a feel the deal yeah

27:05

that apartment some other like minor things happened

27:07

but I don't know they were kind of

27:09

like a little suspect

27:12

I'm not sure I could have you know imagined them

27:14

but uh the

27:16

big finale of out of body experiences

27:18

this one is pretty wild to me

27:21

so I moved

27:24

from Bellingham to Chicago like

27:26

I guess three

27:28

years ago this was like the

27:30

same year I moved there so like 20 21 or

27:33

something 22 I guess so I was staying at my

27:42

girlfriend at the time her apartment but she worked

27:44

like overnight so it's just me I was

27:47

laying in bed it was like probably three in the morning I

27:51

started to you know

27:53

feel the vibration buzzing type

27:55

feeling I ended up going

28:00

with it because I hadn't, you know, it

28:02

hadn't happened in a while and I was like, okay, let's

28:05

see what happens. Everything happened,

28:07

just the face scrunched

28:10

up. I kind of started

28:12

to float, slowly

28:16

float up to the ceiling and

28:19

I felt like, I don't

28:21

know what made me do this, but I felt like

28:23

something was like above the house. I'm like, you

28:28

know, I'm kind of into like aliens and

28:30

stuff. So it could have

28:32

just been me expecting something like that. I mean,

28:34

I don't know what out of body stuff is.

28:36

So who knows, but I felt like something was

28:39

either in the room or like above the building

28:42

or what. So I

28:44

don't know. I guess this probably isn't the smartest thing to do,

28:46

but I just started just having

28:48

this like mantra like in my

28:51

head, I was just going like, take me, take

28:53

me, take me. Like I wanted to, I was

28:55

like offering myself to like, whatever

28:58

was in there. Right. Wow. Brave.

29:01

Right. Yeah. Kind of dumb. And

29:03

I was just like, I was like, let's go. Come on,

29:05

take me, take me, take me. I just was repeating that

29:07

over and over and over again. Nothing

29:10

happened. So I just suddenly was back in

29:12

my body, but

29:14

I couldn't move, but I could look, I looked

29:16

over to my, to my right

29:18

and standing next to

29:20

the bed, there was like the shadowy

29:23

human form, right?

29:26

And it was very like smokey

29:28

looking, very like dark, like super,

29:30

super, super dark black. And it

29:33

looked like smokey, but

29:35

also kind of liquidy at the same time. And

29:37

it had like a bit of a elongated head

29:40

almost. It kind of reminded

29:42

me of like the alien of the xenomorph type

29:44

thing, but less longer than that. But other than

29:46

that, it was just human. And I

29:49

looked over and as soon as I looked over, like

29:51

it was already in the process of kind of like

29:53

moving towards me. And when

29:55

it moved, it would kind of trail. It's like

29:57

smokey substance, just a little bit

29:59

behind. it and it

30:02

literally like it stepped through

30:04

the bed and went like inside of

30:06

my like torso like it the whole

30:09

thing just turned into like

30:11

smoke basically and it went

30:13

like inside of me and

30:15

I could feel it like rushing into me

30:17

and it was cold

30:19

and it felt

30:22

like I was falling almost it was the

30:24

craziest feeling it was really intense and

30:27

I was still I still couldn't move or anything

30:29

and it was just like I just felt it

30:31

just yeah just go inside of my body then

30:33

like right after that I just I could move

30:36

again and I don't

30:39

know I wasn't really scared I wasn't scared though I

30:41

don't know it wasn't scary but yeah I I

30:45

don't know like what that

30:47

means or so I know this from

30:49

the email I have to put this in there because it's

30:51

good it's good publicity I think what were you listening to

30:53

when this happened oh yeah I

30:56

was listening to your show I forgot

30:58

I mentioned that yeah do you remember when episode

31:01

yeah I don't remember

31:03

it was yeah I don't know 200 I think

31:05

it was like in the 200s or something

31:07

yeah it's fine yeah

31:10

that's really interesting did you feel like whenever

31:12

you came to that you

31:15

had any ill effects from this thing sort

31:18

of walking into you well

31:20

I guess

31:23

not directly but I

31:25

mean I was I had a pretty hard time

31:27

like just in life after

31:30

that like for I

31:34

just wasn't you know mentally wasn't doing very

31:36

well like just I don't

31:38

know you know depressed kind of but

31:40

who knows you know I'm already kind

31:42

of prone to like depression but that's

31:46

the only thing I could say like I had

31:48

definitely like a very like rough couple of I

31:50

guess almost couple of years after that yeah it's

31:52

like wasn't really taking care of myself but

31:55

nothing too like obvious like I

31:57

wasn't sick really but I

31:59

wondered Yeah, sometimes I'm like, is that guy still in

32:01

there? Like, am I just possessed now? Like what is happening?

32:05

I mean, if, you know, I don't

32:08

think possession, but Sarai has

32:10

a story where he said like something black

32:13

jumped into him and

32:15

he said it felt like it changed him, he said

32:17

it felt like his like moral compass was off and

32:20

he ended up just asking it to go or

32:22

telling it to go. I think he said it

32:24

left and things felt better afterwards. So

32:26

I was just thinking like more, I figured if you were possessed,

32:28

it would be more obvious, let's put it that way. I

32:31

think, yeah, I could like turn my head

32:33

all the way around and stuff like that.

32:35

Weird or scarier things happening maybe, but you

32:38

know, who knows with this stuff? Does

32:40

your life feel settled now? Let's just say that

32:42

like, do things seem better now? I

32:44

mean, it's definitely getting there. I had like

32:47

a definite like disregard

32:49

for myself for a few

32:51

years now. And so I'm

32:56

kind of, it's

32:58

not told recently. I guess I've started,

33:00

I don't

33:03

know, treat myself with more respect,

33:05

I suppose. Okay. Wow. Yeah.

33:08

I mean, it's, you know, I can't

33:10

diagnose what any of this stuff is,

33:12

you know, especially without, well,

33:15

I'll just leave it at that. I can't diagnose

33:17

stuff, but you

33:19

know, if you really feel like that was a

33:22

point where things took a turn, it might

33:24

be maybe worse looking into

33:26

some sort of banishing, I don't know what

33:29

spiritual path you follow, but it might be,

33:31

you know, might be worthwhile looking

33:33

into that and just, if it helps, it helps. If it doesn't,

33:36

you know, then it's not going to hurt. Let's put

33:38

it that way. Yeah,

33:40

totally. I do think, you know, things

33:43

definitely attached to people and all that. And

33:45

I don't know, I've

33:47

probably got a couple of little hangers on, but

33:49

I don't know, it's stuff

33:52

is kind of taking a better turn now, but yeah,

33:55

it was a weird point in my life and that was sort of like

33:57

the, I

33:59

don't want to say. like rock bottom but like in

34:02

a way sort of like kind

34:05

of spiritual event wise even though it wasn't scary it's like

34:07

I don't know you know they can't I don't

34:10

know I don't think that's the best thing you

34:12

know I mean the other thing that and I

34:14

truly believe we do this we being humans is

34:16

that when we interact with the other there

34:19

is an imaginal element

34:21

that we bring to it as well

34:23

so it could be a

34:27

both-and kind of thing it

34:29

could be you sort of symbolically

34:33

understanding that you weren't in a good place and

34:36

sort of essentially draping that I

34:39

use video game terminology even though I don't

34:41

play video games but I think if it

34:43

works draping that skin over you know whatever

34:45

this was and sort of is

34:47

the interplay of two things right it's the other

34:49

and it's it's your imaginal realm

34:51

where your psychology whatever however you want to

34:53

look at it sort of interacting together you

34:56

know maybe this was like a

34:59

symbolic thing rather than an actual you

35:01

know possession you know I think we're

35:03

we're too quick to go to what

35:07

might be the physical world explanation with

35:09

these things but you know I think there's layers

35:11

of this stuff especially we're dealing with the other

35:13

I think there's so many layers and

35:15

so many things that could be but the good

35:18

news is if you feel things are generally improving that's

35:20

good that's a good thing yeah

35:23

definitely so you

35:25

know a couple times as you're describing these

35:27

OBEs you talk about being frozen do you

35:29

think this is somehow related to sleep paralysis

35:31

in any way and have you had sleep

35:33

paralysis outside of these OBE experiences yeah

35:36

it's weird because I've never had sleep paralysis like

35:38

in the way that people describe it

35:40

I've always it's always been every

35:43

time it happens I've come out of my body is and I don't

35:45

know it could definitely

35:47

be like related because it feels

35:49

you know my body is frozen but like it's

35:52

not the classic like oh I'm just frozen and

35:54

there's some creature in my room

35:57

like looking at me or anything like

35:59

that Yeah, yeah,

36:01

I mean and it might this might be the way You

36:04

since you're able to OBE maybe I don't know maybe

36:06

it's connected. Maybe it's not But

36:09

you have had I mean you mentioned having Sleep

36:12

related stuff whether it was sleepwalking or

36:14

night terrors, etc. You know throughout your

36:16

life. So it's interesting. It feels related

36:18

I don't know that it is but

36:20

it feels related. Yeah, definitely. I

36:22

I don't know. I've always loved sleep,

36:24

I've always been fascinated with dreams and sleep

36:27

and I've just I Think

36:29

there's definitely something Strange

36:32

about it. There's something I don't know. It's I

36:35

definitely believe it's more than just Resting

36:38

your body in your mind. I think Yeah,

36:40

at some point. I really want to in

36:43

the way Josh wrote his book about death and

36:45

the paranormal I really want to write one about

36:47

dreams in the paranormal. I really feel like if

36:50

I'm going to put down the Theory

36:52

of the paranormal. I think dreams are definitely

36:54

gonna be involved Yeah,

36:57

definitely you gotta gotta include them Tell

37:01

me about this UFO you saw with your eyes closed. Wait,

37:03

like how does that even work? Okay,

37:05

so this is like one of the ones

37:07

I'm kind of like iffy on

37:09

personally, but I know

37:12

my own like inner visual visualizations

37:14

like really well, I Try

37:18

to like actively practice visualization

37:20

and I'm not like that great at it.

37:22

Like I can't really form

37:25

Clear images with my eyes closed.

37:28

They're kind of a little smoky

37:30

and translucent. So anyway that

37:33

being said I it

37:35

was also in Chicago recently soon after

37:37

I moved there here, I mean and

37:40

I was

37:44

Falling asleep, but I was

37:46

completely awake. I was trying to fall asleep.

37:48

I'm pretty bad at sleeping so

37:51

I was laying there was my eyes closed and I get

37:55

this like Kind

37:57

of swoop feeling in myself

37:59

stomach and I was like, Oh no, no, no. Like

38:01

it just kind of got the spear. Like, I

38:04

don't know where, like I was totally relaxed, nothing

38:07

out of the ordinary. Suddenly

38:09

I just get

38:11

this kind of buzz. This tingly,

38:13

it's different than the sleep paralysis,

38:15

out of body experience tingle, but it

38:19

was kind of similar. Like it's like my body

38:21

just went like super alert all of a sudden

38:24

and had my eyes closed and

38:26

I see this clear

38:28

as day in my

38:30

eyes, like positioned where,

38:32

okay. It's hard to explain.

38:36

So I see this classic

38:38

disc UFO kind

38:41

of like fly from the

38:43

distance towards me and it

38:45

stops in the

38:47

real physical space, like where it would actually

38:49

be, like outside of my building, it stops

38:51

right there and just kind of

38:54

hovers there. And it

38:56

was this kind of like silvery color. It was

38:58

silver, but it had this kind of greenish quality

39:00

to it at the same time. And

39:04

I freaked out and I was like, Oh my God. I opened my

39:06

eyes and I just saw my wall and I closed my eyes and

39:08

it was there still. Just super clear.

39:11

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39:13

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39:15

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39:17

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This painting experiment ritual

41:13

thing, so this was

41:15

like 2020, like right

41:17

before quarantine really

41:23

kicked in and

41:26

I felt I was

41:29

more into I guess what

41:31

you call like ritual magic. I

41:34

was kind of trying it out I guess more just

41:36

like sigil magic I suppose. So

41:39

I wanted to try it and they

41:41

say you know you need some kind of energetic

41:45

I guess sacrifice in a way some kind

41:47

of energy to put into to charge

41:50

it up. So I was like I'm a

41:52

painter so I was like I

41:55

was thinking about it and I was like

41:57

that kind of trance like state I get

41:59

in. into when I do paintings, I'm like, I wonder,

42:01

there's gotta be, there's something, you

42:04

know, magically, I guess,

42:06

powerful about that. I don't know, I think.

42:08

Yeah, yeah. Not to interrupt your flow, but

42:11

I mean, I talked about it a

42:13

little bit on last week's shows. There

42:16

are certain themes that come up in Strange Familiars

42:19

and they sometimes, sometimes

42:21

there's things that I call up. I get interested in these

42:23

like, bunny man stories. I ask for stories and we'll get

42:25

a bunch of them. So that's less

42:27

surprising when that happens. But sometimes

42:29

these things come up organically. And

42:32

over the past few episodes,

42:34

again and again, this idea

42:37

of creativity and getting

42:39

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full details. This

43:09

painting experiment ritual thing. So

43:11

this was like 2020, like

43:13

right before

43:16

quarantine really

43:20

kicked in and I felt I was

43:23

more into I

43:28

guess what you call like ritual magic.

43:32

I was kind of trying it out, I guess more

43:34

just like sigil magic, I suppose. So

43:36

I wanted to try it and they

43:39

say, you know, you need some kind of energetic,

43:42

I guess, sacrifice in a way some kind

43:44

of energy to put into, to

43:48

charge it up. So I was like, I'm a

43:50

painter. So I was like, I was

43:52

thinking about it. And I was like, that

43:54

kind of trance like state, I

43:57

get into when I do paintings. I'm like, I wonder there's gotta

43:59

be. there's something you know

44:01

magically I guess

44:04

powerful about that I don't know I think yeah

44:06

yeah and not to interrupt your flow but I

44:08

mean I talked about it a little

44:11

bit on last week's shows

44:13

mm-hmm there are certain themes that

44:15

come up in strange failures and they sometimes sometimes

44:18

there are things that I call up I get interested in

44:20

these like Bunny Man stories I asked for stories and we'll

44:22

get a bunch of them so that's less

44:25

surprising when that happens but sometimes

44:27

these things come up organically and

44:29

over the past few episodes

44:31

again and again this idea

44:34

of creativity and

44:36

getting into these hypnotic or

44:39

trance or meditative states while

44:41

doing creative things has come up again and

44:43

again it's so fascinating to me really yeah

44:46

oh yeah it's like yeah two

44:48

episodes last week there's

44:50

one coming up there's a

44:52

bunch of them that are coming up it's just it's just coming

44:54

up again and again and it came up organically this is nothing

44:57

I asked people to talk about so it's

44:59

absolutely fascinating to me I'm sorry for

45:01

interrupting you continue no

45:03

strange yeah I haven't listened in a bit I'm

45:05

letting it build back up so I can go

45:08

in a little binge that's cool though

45:10

so yeah anyways so I was making this painting right and

45:12

I got a bit I think

45:14

possibly a bit carried away I mean it's really complex

45:17

sigils and there's like three of them on here and

45:19

I kind of wanted to make this altar

45:22

like kind of

45:24

landscape and I made

45:28

these three like lizard

45:30

people looking things there's like one

45:33

in the middle one under the there's

45:35

one for each sigil basically

45:37

and they're kind of in

45:39

these windows so I yeah

45:42

I used this trance

45:44

kind of thing to make this ritual

45:48

painting and immediately

45:52

after that I mean

45:54

obviously I'm not trying to say it caused this

45:56

but like literally that a day after I finished

45:58

it I literally

46:01

lost my job because of the pandemic.

46:04

Everything shut down. I like broke up with

46:06

my girlfriend that like immediately after that, like

46:08

everything just got wonky like

46:10

to the maximum, had to move

46:13

and all kinds of stuff. I mean, it wasn't bad. Like

46:15

I wasn't upset really. It was like all stuff that kind

46:17

of had to happen and it was good in the end,

46:19

but it was just bizarre.

46:23

Nothing I like was intending to

46:25

have and actually happened. Like it

46:28

just, it was just

46:30

a major like left turn out of nowhere almost.

46:33

So without getting into it, were

46:35

these sigils to affect a certain

46:37

change and the

46:39

change that happened was not the change

46:42

that was intended? Right. Yeah,

46:44

there was a couple things I, a couple

46:46

of, you know, kind of like, I

46:49

guess cycles in my

46:52

life. I was trying to kind

46:54

of get out of like, it's just, I don't know. I wasn't

46:56

having the greatest time. It was just kind of like, I

46:59

needed a change, I guess. And I

47:01

asked for specific things and I didn't really get

47:06

any of them necessarily like in a roundabout way, I

47:08

suppose. But like, I don't know, I guess you

47:11

can't really just, it's not like going to pop

47:13

eyes. I guess you can't just order like something

47:15

out of the universe. You got to just,

47:19

you know, all you can do is ask, I guess, and sort

47:21

of just something will

47:23

happen. Yeah. I'll

47:25

tell my favorite sigil story regarding Austin's

47:27

spare. Oh, sweet. Yeah.

47:31

So I still have the painting. I love it. It's like

47:33

one of my favorite paintings. But everyone

47:35

I showed it to is like this thing is creepy

47:38

like that. No one wanted it like

47:40

around. I tried to give it away. I, when I

47:42

was moving to my friend and he just gave it

47:44

back. He's like my girlfriend hates this thing. And he

47:46

was like, he kept having dreams of

47:48

like people breaking into his house. Like after I like

47:50

gave him this painting. So he just gave it back

47:52

to me. And you know, also what's

47:54

crazy is as I was moving, I had it in my car,

47:58

my girlfriend's car and we got into this horrible. Car

48:00

crash and everything got like just destroyed except

48:02

for like this painting and one of my

48:04

other paintings and like some of our clothes

48:06

And stuff it was just I don't know. It's just

48:09

wild to me that it survived through

48:12

all that I really

48:14

really really was a sort of a disciple of

48:16

Austin spare hmm and Really

48:19

went through a heavy sigil magic time and I

48:21

remember reading this story and it

48:24

seemed so emblematic of of

48:27

Magic in general and sigil magic

48:29

Specifically and I don't know

48:32

how much you know about Austin spare, but he's he's like

48:34

the guy when it comes to sigil stuff He's like pretty

48:36

much. Yeah, whatever sigils were doing today is kind of he

48:38

developed those techniques kind of thing Okay,

48:40

cool, and I'm trying to find the book

48:43

where this appeared I know the story very well

48:46

But I would love to you know read the actual words

48:48

of the story and I can't find it So somebody knows

48:50

where the story is, please point me to it But

48:52

a fella said he was visiting Austin spare

48:54

when spare lived in a basement spare didn't

48:57

have a particularly elegant life Especially towards the

48:59

end he lived in in pretty rough

49:02

basement But spare

49:04

says I'm going to do a sigil and I'm

49:06

going to make roses appear He does the sigil

49:08

and he gets himself into the state where the

49:10

guy said he's like sort of dancing around and

49:12

you know He's preached that state right that you

49:14

were talking about that sort of Where

49:17

you're gonna yeah charge the sigil in other words

49:19

He you get you know out of your mind

49:22

in a sense and however you do that whether

49:24

through You know aggression

49:26

or you know of course there's people

49:29

to use sex sometimes Like

49:31

you said in creative stuff etc etc He

49:33

was just I guess doing like just going mad

49:36

kind of dancing kind of you know And

49:38

this guy said he's waving the sigil around and

49:41

all of a sudden the sewer pipe

49:43

over his head bust Poor

49:45

sewage down on him and

49:47

it's like that's to

49:50

me that's magic and

49:52

it's also Specifically sigil magic

49:54

that's my experience with it. Sometimes you

49:56

get it's almost like you

49:59

almost always get something to happen but it's

50:01

not always the change you want to happen

50:04

sometimes like the hand of the universe reaches in

50:06

was like yeah well you're not gonna get roses

50:08

but you're gonna get something yeah

50:11

that's great get

50:14

a nice sense of humor on that

50:16

yeah exactly universe I guess yeah nice

50:20

well did the pipes like burst all over him was he

50:22

just I mean I don't remember the specific details but I

50:24

believe it I believe it and he he's

50:27

physically said he didn't hit the pipe with his hand

50:29

it's not like he you know it just burst all

50:31

of a sudden yeah I don't know where yeah yeah

50:33

I think it covered the spare I don't know that

50:36

it covered the other guy too but yeah yeah yeah

50:39

I've seen his artwork and stuff but I haven't really

50:41

like read too much into

50:43

him I didn't know he was yeah

50:46

that kind of a guy that's cool though

50:49

yeah he developed the sort of the you

50:51

know technique that most people use nowadays he

50:54

was super interesting guy incredibly talented artist

50:56

I think like like really like his

50:58

portraits are my favorite stuff he gets

51:00

into sort of more weirder

51:02

stuff sometimes like automatic drawing and stuff

51:05

but his portraits are really

51:07

really good like yeah super

51:09

talented artist spent but you know

51:12

tragic story I mean like Crowley and so

51:14

many other people they just have these not

51:17

real happy ends you know and

51:19

yeah I'm not gonna say it's because of the occult

51:22

I'm just saying it just you know it happens to

51:24

be you know yeah

51:26

definitely seems like a pattern yeah you

51:29

have this experience that I'm kind of

51:31

you know this one to get

51:33

into this because it sounds

51:35

like it

51:38

has what you know what I call un-people or

51:40

not people involved this thing that you said happened

51:42

in California

51:44

Nevada there yeah

51:47

okay this was extremely

51:51

strange okay so I went this

51:54

whole trip was weird so I was this was my

51:56

girlfriend at the time we it

51:58

was my birthday It's

52:00

like my 20th... third

52:04

birthday? No, 24th? Anyway,

52:07

so we went on a road trip. We

52:09

were just like... we had been talking about, I want to go to

52:11

the desert. So yeah, we

52:13

were like, we're gonna go to the Blackrock Desert in Nevada. It's

52:16

like, you know, a relatively small

52:19

road trip from Washington. So

52:23

we had been driving for like a few days, just

52:25

kind of camping or taking, you know,

52:27

little motels and stuff. We

52:30

found this cabin that was like way,

52:32

way out in the middle of nowhere. And

52:34

it's just open constantly, apparently. You

52:36

can just drive up there and camp and

52:39

stay there, like, unless someone's there. And it was

52:41

kind of getting late. So we were like, let's

52:43

try to find this cabin. Like, it wasn't late

52:46

yet, but it's like, was going to

52:48

be late by the time we got there. So we're like,

52:50

alright, we got to get our supplies and stuff. So we

52:53

were in northern California, like,

52:55

northeast in California. And

52:58

we drove through this town called... it's not even a

53:00

town. It's like just... this

53:03

tiny, it's like a ghost town, pretty much. It's called

53:05

Cedarville. So we

53:07

drove through this place, and it's

53:09

all kind of built on this one, like, big

53:13

S-shaped road. It's kind of

53:15

like... parts of it are like a dusty road, parts of

53:17

it are cement. And you

53:19

take that road through this little town. There's like

53:21

a gas station, and then out into, like, the

53:23

desert in Nevada. And so...

53:27

kind of nervous. I

53:29

don't know. I'm kind of getting nervous. So

53:34

we were driving

53:37

through. We stopped to get

53:40

some supplies. We drove

53:42

out into the desert, and

53:44

then just turned back around. And

53:47

we had to go get something else. So

53:50

we just kept going back and forth,

53:52

and like, we couldn't

53:54

leave. It was the weirdest thing. Like, every

53:56

time we tried,

53:59

we would just end up... having to go back for

54:01

some reason and we were there for

54:03

like hours like until it got dark it was the

54:05

weirdest thing ever like I

54:07

didn't I don't know at the time I didn't think it

54:09

was weird but like later I was like why could we

54:11

just not drive out like it wasn't

54:13

like we were you know just frozen in place but it

54:15

was just like one thing was like led to another and

54:18

like like mundane things like you

54:20

forgot something and you need to guess things

54:22

like that yeah stuff like that

54:24

but it was just like too

54:26

much it was too much of it like or

54:29

we just couldn't figure out what to do or like we

54:32

had to just stop and like rest

54:34

or something like it was just like suddenly any

54:37

reason you can think of to like not leave this

54:39

town was just popping up so

54:43

we finally it got dark we

54:45

finally were driving along that same

54:47

curved road back into

54:49

Cedarville we were like all right we got to

54:51

get out of here we've spent too much time

54:54

here this cabin who knows where it is so

54:56

we were

54:59

driving on this road and I was

55:03

in the passenger seat at the time and we

55:07

looked out at the side window and there

55:10

was this huge light just sitting like on

55:12

the ground it was just this really really

55:14

bright perfect white

55:16

light just on the ground out

55:18

in the desert and

55:20

I didn't think it was super weird I was like I took

55:22

a spotlight or whatever but my girlfriend was like kind

55:25

of freaking out about it she like pulled over she's like

55:27

whoa what is that like we had driven

55:29

past and it wasn't there and I don't

55:32

know I was like I could be a light or whatever but

55:34

she was like really freaked out and so

55:36

we kept just staring at it and the more I looked

55:38

at it I was like this makes no sense there's nothing

55:40

to like light up and

55:43

it's just on the ground like just sitting on the ground like

55:45

it just looked like a big ball and it

55:48

was super bright and we just kind of

55:50

stared at it for a while we didn't know what to do and it

55:53

just fell I don't know it felt eerie and weird and

55:55

we kind of started to like ramp up a little bit

55:57

to like kind of

55:59

get a little We were like, okay, we gotta go.

56:01

We were just doing really kind of going

56:04

crazy. Like we, our plans weren't working out. Like

56:06

it would just, we're just

56:08

ramped up. So we stared at that for a

56:10

little bit. We start driving again. And

56:13

then I only saw this, not her,

56:15

but this little orb, this orange, bill

56:17

orange ball, just zipped right

56:19

over our windshield, like super fast just to see. Yeah,

56:23

so that happened. I didn't say anything for whatever

56:25

reason. I just kind of saw it and

56:27

I was like, let's go. So we

56:30

kept going out into

56:32

this desert. We

56:35

finally crossed the border into Nevada and

56:37

we were trying to like go down this little path and

56:42

we just had, we were lost. We had no idea what was

56:44

going on. And we both like, we

56:46

just kind of had a meltdown. We were like just

56:49

freaking out. Like she started crying and I was

56:51

just, yeah, I just weren't doing good. It was

56:53

just, it was really strange. I

56:56

think maybe we're just feeling cooped up in the car. And

56:58

it's just like all of this weird stuff. We just couldn't,

57:00

we just stuck in this tiny, creepy town. And

57:03

then all of a sudden,

57:06

we're just surrounded by wild horses. All of a

57:09

sudden, like this whole like crowd

57:11

of wild horses was just, they

57:13

were just passing through. And it was just

57:15

really weird. It just kind of pulled us out of our like

57:17

freak out. And we were just like, wow, what the hell? Like,

57:20

yeah, there was probably like six

57:23

or seven of them. And it was

57:25

really cool. So after that, we kind of calmed down. Was

57:29

it night or day when you saw the horses? Oh,

57:31

it was night. All of this happened at night. Like from

57:33

the time we, most of this happened

57:36

at night. This was all like one really long night.

57:38

From the time we saw the big light on the

57:41

ground, it was, that was probably like 10, 11

57:43

p.m. maybe. So

57:47

we keep driving. We're kind

57:49

of like, all right, let's not do

57:51

this cabin. This place is creepy. Who

57:54

knows what's out there. The car was

57:56

probably gonna get stuck anyway. It was like a Honda Civic. So

57:58

it was definitely gonna get stuck in like a bull. or something.

58:01

So we're like, let's just go to a motel. And

58:04

so I drove for a while. And then

58:06

we switched off. And I had

58:08

fallen asleep. And it was, I have

58:11

no idea because I had just woken up. So we were still

58:13

like in the desert in Nevada, not

58:15

like the middle of nowhere. But you

58:17

know, it was pretty nowhere ish. So

58:20

I woke up for just a second, I

58:22

looked out the window. And there was just on

58:25

the side of the road, like

58:27

this group of people in white suits,

58:29

like, just big, like, I

58:32

guess you could say, like, those like

58:34

biohazard suits, like, you know, Breaking Bad,

58:36

they wear the big yellow suit things.

58:39

It was like that, but they were all just

58:41

perfectly white suits. They had these like, you know,

58:43

the class like covers over the

58:45

face. I can see inside,

58:47

but they just had this big light above

58:49

them, like shining onto them kind of. And

58:52

they just were like, walking down this

58:54

slight hill on the side of

58:56

the road. And then I just

58:59

they got they we just drove past and I

59:01

didn't see him anymore. And

59:03

that's, I don't even know what happened.

59:05

That is true. Yeah, it was. Yeah,

59:07

it was really weird. I don't

59:09

know what to make of that. Now you

59:12

said there was a light above them. It

59:15

was like either a big spotlight, or

59:18

I just saw a light shining onto them

59:20

kind of like, it

59:22

was kind of behind them, but facing on top of them

59:24

at the same time. The

59:27

reason I ask is, you know, John

59:30

has told his Bunnyman story on the show.

59:33

And he said, yeah, it was it was lit up from above. And

59:35

I knew about where it was. In fact, the other day, he

59:37

showed me exactly where it was in this field. We

59:40

were on the hike. And on the way back, I was like, Oh, yeah, show me

59:42

where you saw that Bunnyman. And in his memory,

59:44

he's like, Oh, yeah, and it was illuminated from above. I was

59:46

like, Well, wait a minute. Like,

59:49

how? It's not a

59:51

street light there. And that is the

59:53

part that kind of made him step back. He's like, Whoa, I don't

59:56

know. Yeah, I don't know. He's like, I just

59:58

remember it being illuminated from above. So

1:00:00

yeah, that's an interesting detail for sure

1:00:05

Yeah, the bunny man stories are so

1:00:08

crazy to me I like Yeah,

1:00:11

they're so funny. They're creepy, but I'm just

1:00:13

like really like yeah. Yeah, that's just bizarre

1:00:16

Well, I mean again. That's like what I call un

1:00:18

people is like it's the same with your guys in

1:00:20

white suits It's like are these

1:00:22

just weird people doing weird things

1:00:25

did you happen to come upon a? Hazmat

1:00:28

cleanup that you know you would think they would you

1:00:30

write a big clothes off the road or something Or

1:00:33

you know is it something else

1:00:35

you know that's why I like these stories so

1:00:37

much It's like well could have been

1:00:40

a person in a weird suit, but Offly

1:00:43

weird yeah, I should you know Yeah,

1:00:45

it's weird. It was like right after the right as I happen

1:00:47

to wake up to and like I don't know just Any

1:00:50

one of these things I feel like alone I would

1:00:52

kind of dismiss it, but like that just the whole

1:00:54

night together was just everything

1:00:56

kind of piled up It was just really yeah, I

1:00:58

don't know I don't know what to think of it,

1:01:01

so there's no way to ask this without it being

1:01:03

a leading question So I'm sorry for people who there

1:01:06

are people who say don't last the leading questions But

1:01:08

I don't know how to ask this otherwise Do you

1:01:10

think you had any missing time in all this did

1:01:12

it seem like the right amount of time passed I?

1:01:15

guess so it was just the

1:01:18

closest thing to like missing time I would say was

1:01:20

just being like But

1:01:22

permanently stuck in this random town like for

1:01:24

just no reason really really I

1:01:27

mean yeah There was reasons, but like not in

1:01:29

missing time, but like I honestly don't remember like

1:01:31

how that night like ended I don't know if

1:01:33

we just slept in the car or like we

1:01:35

just kept sleeping and trading off driving But yeah,

1:01:37

I don't really know where we ended up that

1:01:39

night But you did like pass those

1:01:41

guys in the white suit like you didn't Like

1:01:44

you remember leaving them in the in the background or?

1:01:47

Does that yeah, okay? Yeah? Yeah,

1:01:50

so I don't think so yeah Wow

1:01:52

yeah, no like you said you know any

1:01:54

one of those things you go, huh? That's

1:01:56

odd, but when you put them all together.

1:01:58

It's like that's a really weird sequence of

1:02:00

events. Yeah even

1:02:03

like the horses kind of freaked me out

1:02:05

like it was cool I don't know I've

1:02:07

never been that close to a wild horse

1:02:09

or I don't know if they were wild

1:02:11

or what but yeah yeah include them absolutely

1:02:13

it's just another weird thing that happened along

1:02:15

the way. Yeah

1:02:17

totally. Nevada's weird it

1:02:19

was a strange place for

1:02:22

sure. So

1:02:24

you talked about this one recurring

1:02:27

dream you have. Oh

1:02:29

yeah okay my only recurring dream in

1:02:31

my whole life so this

1:02:33

happened multiple times when

1:02:36

I was it was the same house I

1:02:38

saw the goblin and all that stuff little

1:02:40

my little piggy friend it was

1:02:42

that house so I would

1:02:45

have this dream when I

1:02:47

was sick usually I would

1:02:50

have this dream where I would be

1:02:52

on like a

1:02:55

craft of some kind like a long

1:02:59

tube like craft I guess it could have been an

1:03:01

airplane but it just it

1:03:03

looks like you know just a big long huge it

1:03:05

was really big too there's lots of people in there and

1:03:08

I was usually there like with my family and it was

1:03:10

just full of people we would

1:03:12

just be on this thing flying

1:03:14

around and I would

1:03:18

end up basically we

1:03:20

would all fly into this like the

1:03:24

surface this area or I don't want

1:03:26

to say planet because you know who

1:03:28

knows but it was this volcanic like

1:03:30

area these huge mountains so we would

1:03:32

fly it over this

1:03:34

landscape and then we would go inside

1:03:37

of this giant mountain there was like

1:03:39

this huge gate thing that

1:03:41

would open for us when you go

1:03:43

into this giant hall and it

1:03:45

was just massive there was like big enough

1:03:47

to fit this huge craft plane

1:03:49

when I was a kid I always imagined

1:03:51

it as being a submarine that's just what

1:03:54

it made me think of

1:03:56

and it was this brass color like this

1:03:59

rusty almost color we

1:04:01

would go into this mountain and

1:04:04

there was it was all red all I can

1:04:06

really remember is there was fire it was all

1:04:08

red there may have been like big like drapes

1:04:11

like big red drapes like

1:04:13

on the walls like all the way up to this huge

1:04:16

you know this giant chamber and there was these two

1:04:19

giant lizards sitting

1:04:21

on thrones like awaiting our like

1:04:24

I guess arrival and they just

1:04:27

yeah there were just huge lizards like way

1:04:29

bigger than this thing I was

1:04:31

flying in and everything and I just got this

1:04:33

horrible feeling like I knew

1:04:35

that I was basically taken like

1:04:37

as a slave essentially like I was like this is

1:04:39

it this is my life now like I have to

1:04:41

work in this like mountain until

1:04:44

I just die pretty much and

1:04:47

that was a yeah and there

1:04:49

was there was always a weird

1:04:51

noise playing in the background too

1:04:53

was this like like a rushing

1:04:55

kind of humming noise there's

1:04:57

a drone sound yeah I was really

1:04:59

scary was yeah I always scared me

1:05:02

and just this feeling of just doom

1:05:04

like I'm just subject

1:05:06

to these giant evil

1:05:08

lizards now like

1:05:11

how often or how many times do you think you had this

1:05:13

dream I

1:05:15

would say not super

1:05:17

often I would

1:05:20

say like three times it probably but still

1:05:22

like I don't know I've never had a

1:05:24

reoccurring dream that's the only one and it

1:05:26

would always be the exact same dream like

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no deviation at all yeah

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and have you connected

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these lizard people with the lizard reptilian things

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in your painting um yeah

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actually I've I don't know why I've

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always been a fan of like reptilians

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like I

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don't know why I've always kind of been

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I don't know I like them but yeah

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I definitely there's something going on there for

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sure interesting yeah I mean I generally

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of High Strangeness on this stuff. What

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it is, you know, any of

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it, again, I don't know, but it's

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really fascinating. That last

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story with the little road trip there,

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that one really gets me. Yeah,

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it gets me too. Yeah, there's definitely

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