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are in the description. So today

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I have on Max. Max is

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an interesting guy. He's very into

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being a masochist. He's into cuckoldry.

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He loves the femdom. He's an

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exhibitionist. He loves nothing more than

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to be naked walking around on

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a leash and he talks all

3:04

about it. He's also into BBWs

3:06

and huge breasts and huge butts.

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He's got a fetish for that and he

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happens to also be an artist and he

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creates BBW kink

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fetish art. It's really fucking cool. Okay,

3:19

he told me, we talked about it

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on there, like he told me, and

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I'm going to put some pics on my Patreon. The stuff

3:26

that he does is really amazing, the

3:29

art, but what he does in real life

3:31

is actually really amazing too. He's very hardcore.

3:33

Like I said, he's a masochist. He's into

3:35

flogging and paddling. He's been caned. He's

3:37

into CBT, which is cockball

3:40

torture. He's very into femdoms.

3:42

He is heteroflexible. He has hooked

3:45

up with guys, but he talks about

3:47

how when he realized he could just get girls

3:49

to peg him, he wasn't so interested in being

3:51

with guys anymore. And that's like an interesting thing

3:53

that he talks about, but we

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really start at the beginning when he realized he was

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into all these different kinks. fetishes

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and we work our way up through all the

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things that he did and all

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of his experiences. When he got

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into BBW women

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he loves to worship big

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breasts and big butts. He talked about that.

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He gets very specific about all the things

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that he's into and they're all fascinating. As

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is his art it's amazing. I'm gonna put

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a link to his Twitter so you can

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see it. His episode is super interesting. You're

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gonna love his story. I'm gonna be right

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back on with Max. Hi

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Max. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are

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you today? I'm doing pretty good.

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So listen Max. You sound a little hardcore

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to me. Your voice doesn't sound

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hardcore but your story sounds a little bit hardcore.

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You're a masochist. Yes

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I am. You're a cock-all. So

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that to me, oh my god,

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you're probably on the extreme side

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of the cock-all thing. You have

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a huge breast and butt fetish

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and so much so and I

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guess you're an artist and so

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you combine the two. You do

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do these erotic illustrations of very

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buxom BBW babes right? Is that

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like your thing? Fetish-y stuff? Yes

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I do BBW related

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extremely buxom. Yeah

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like you put it. Yeah.

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Characters but it's oftentimes depicts

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dominatrix women and sometimes

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it involves cuckoldry in

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different aspects of female domination.

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Yeah. So tell me your story

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Max. Let me just start where you're at now.

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Are you a married guy? Are you a single

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guy? I am

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single. I'm occasionally

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dating. I mostly

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date very dominant women sadists,

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female sadists in this case.

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Sometimes switches. Weirdly enough sometimes

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I end up dating women

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who turn out to be

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subs a lot. So

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how old are you? you Max? I'm

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42. Okay so you've never been

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married right like you've been single? I've

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never been married I almost got married once

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never married. Okay cool so when did you

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realize that you had all these kinks and

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which one came first like what was the

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gateway drug to all of your fetishes? I

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knew I was a sub by the time

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I was in high school my very first

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girlfriend put me on a leash and

6:23

no way after her room and took my

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virginity. Oh my god oh my god you

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met the girl of your dreams right out of the

6:29

get-go. Kind of.

6:32

You should have married her you should have married

6:34

her she was the girl for you. I

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later met another girl who was

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part of the same friend group in

6:41

high school who I started dating and

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she was also a dominant and

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then I dated another girl part of the same friends

6:48

group who was a switch and I

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didn't know she was a switch when we dated she just kind

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of came out with it she's hey I have handcuffs and

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the rest is history. Yeah and

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I've just run into women that

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turn out that they're very kink friendly

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a lot of times they're dominance

7:04

a lot of times they're switches though they're the same

7:06

guy. Yeah yeah but like before that

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girl put the leash on you did you

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know you were sub world that's what clicked

7:12

it into you that was like one of

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your first experiences like which came first you

7:17

being interested in that kind of thing

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or that girl doing it and then

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it was like so supercharged that you got

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wired in that way what do you think happened first? It was

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I think I was already interested in it

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but I'd never experienced it like I'd seen

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femdom porn in like a playboy or on

7:34

the internet at the time but I really

7:36

never thought about it as much yeah but

7:38

that's the moment where I knew for sure

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I was a sub. Okay

7:43

so you so you're into all this

7:45

kink when you're in high school and

7:48

when did you start to get into

7:50

the whole cuckolding thing? I

7:53

got into cuckoldry on the same time that I

7:55

got in the lifestyle I was kind of dating

7:57

women they were mildly kinky on and off for

7:59

about 10 years. But I didn't

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go to my first lifestyle event until I was in

8:03

my late 20s. Oh, okay. And

8:05

then I didn't know what cuckoldry was at the

8:07

time. And then I dated a

8:09

dominant who I met on Craigslist, ironically. And

8:13

she basically said that if you want to date me,

8:16

you have to be cuckolded and you have to be

8:18

in chastity and you have to do all

8:20

these things. She was really

8:22

into clothed female, naked male, which

8:24

is like an acronym. And she

8:26

explained all this to me. And before

8:28

that, I liked being

8:30

a submissive, but

8:33

I didn't really experience it on that level. Like

8:36

on a professional level, you mean, or like a

8:38

real hardcore level? Like a

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relationship level where my partner was

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just very dominant and enforced me

8:44

being nude and collared around her.

8:46

And I was wearing a chastity

8:48

cage all day long. Extreme, a

8:50

little extreme. Right. It was

8:53

pretty extreme. And she also introduced me to tagging and

8:55

stuff like that too. Now

8:57

had you ever on your own investigated

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that area of your body? Yeah,

9:03

I had done that before. I had played with

9:05

dildos before and I liked it. They did something

9:07

I was kind of new at with

9:10

a partner. But I

9:12

was very open to it. So it was

9:14

just like something I never, I never really

9:16

thought about pegging. I remember I saw pegging

9:18

video porn video years before and I thought,

9:20

well, that's stupid. And then I did it.

9:23

And I'm like, wow, this is amazing. I should

9:25

do this more often. Yeah, that's right up your

9:27

alley. And now it's pegging

9:29

has become like my preferred form of sex just

9:31

because it does that much for me. And

9:34

I can have an orgasm or I can have an

9:36

orgasm while being pegged and it's a hundred times more

9:38

powerful. So before you got into the

9:40

lifestyle, all of your twenties in high school

9:42

was just playing around and doing these kinds

9:44

of kinky things with these girls that you

9:46

met. Now had you ever hooked

9:49

up with guys as well during this time?

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I had in, especially in my early

9:54

twenties. And I've always mildly interested in

9:57

men to a degree, always as a

9:59

bottom. And I met a couple

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of guys and I had a

10:03

that had taught me and I really liked it a

10:05

lot of times It was just really awkward meetings But

10:08

once I've kind of discovered that women were

10:10

actually in the femdom and especially the pegging

10:12

I kind of lost interest in playing with

10:15

guys because I really just wanted someone

10:17

to fuck me in the ass and dominate

10:19

me and I wanted a woman doing it

10:21

because Yeah,

10:24

I'm I consider myself to be hetero flexible Yeah,

10:26

I can I can play with a guy, but

10:28

I don't really seek it out It's if I'm

10:31

with a partner like I've met a lot of

10:33

dominant women that are in the force by Mm-hmm,

10:35

and they tend to want when I'm with them

10:37

They want me to be more by than I

10:39

actually am and usually I'm willing to do it

10:41

because Dating them and I

10:43

like it But I like the would

10:45

they leave that and make the decisions there

10:47

too So and then because then that's a

10:49

part of it, but really on your own. It's

10:51

not really totally your thing It's not top of the

10:54

mountain for you top of the mountain for you is

10:56

being topped by a woman with a cock

10:58

All right, that's your thing, right? That's

11:01

just what I what I've always liked But

11:03

I like who and women take the lead

11:06

in a relationship and when they lead me

11:08

into a force by Situation and it's

11:10

everything's consensual about it. And yeah, then

11:13

it's a lot more fun course because

11:15

that females there She's forcing you that's a big

11:17

part of you being a sub I can understand

11:19

why that's a different scenario Then if you're just

11:21

with the guy on your own Yeah,

11:24

I just like a lot more. Yeah. Yeah.

11:26

Yeah makes sense. So you consider yourself had a

11:28

real flexible now so how did you wind up

11:30

getting into the lifestyle in your late 20 I

11:34

I met that girl on Craigslist and then

11:36

I discovered I discovered felt

11:38

life like many people and just kind of

11:41

looked around on there I made

11:44

a Profile and unlike probably most guys I

11:46

had pictures of my face on there and

11:48

what I looked like and I wasn't just

11:50

a bunch of dick pics and I

11:52

had women that approached me on there

11:54

that were femdoms and Talk

11:57

to them and I dated a couple of them I

12:00

ended up going to a couple of

12:02

munches that were exclusively femdon based and

12:04

there was a dominant who I had

12:06

dated And who I kept seeing at

12:08

munches and we kind of dated on and off We're

12:11

not dating anymore anything like that and

12:13

then Eventually, I moved to

12:15

a different area where there was

12:18

a lot a much bigger scene and I

12:20

just kind of explored That scene on my

12:22

own although i'm very introverted So it was

12:24

really hard for me to get to that

12:26

first munch and to that first scene But

12:29

eventually I did and then you know,

12:31

i'd go to actual play parties. I met a

12:34

couple of dominance at play parties and

12:37

I was recently in a

12:39

three-year relationship with and I guess you could

12:41

call it a female relationship With

12:44

a woman who I introduced to

12:46

kink, but she she was already

12:48

very kinky She just never explored kink.

12:50

She just she knew what it was

12:53

Uh to a certain degree, but when I

12:55

brought her to her first dungeon

12:57

party She was just in

13:00

heaven Everything you're

13:02

at a munch or did you meet her in the

13:04

like regular world? I met her on a dating

13:06

site Okay, but we had actual mutual friends and

13:08

she used to date one of my friends And

13:11

I had no idea who she was and it's

13:13

just a coincidence And then

13:15

she just dived into the lifestyle, but

13:18

she wasn't really into cuckoldry So

13:21

much since we never did that she was really

13:23

into pegging and she liked disciplining

13:25

me and a number of

13:27

other things and She really liked

13:29

because she was very busty and like having

13:31

her tits played with like crazy and Lots

13:34

of things like that that i'm into but we didn't

13:36

have every single thing in common like she didn't want

13:38

me to do any Forced

13:40

by stuff like she wouldn't let me suck

13:42

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13:45

that was in her opinion too gay I'm

13:48

like, okay. Well, that's fine with me.

13:50

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13:54

we've broken up and she's off going

13:57

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15:40

cuckoldry thing with one of the girls that

15:43

you were dating? Yes,

15:45

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15:47

in a cuckoldry. And

15:50

I haven't done as much as I would like

15:52

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16:01

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16:03

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16:06

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16:08

a while and she had another submissive and

16:11

she would sleep with her other submissive and fool around

16:13

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16:15

in any way other than pegging. So

16:18

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16:20

there was a note on the

16:22

door that says, said my name and

16:24

it said, just come inside. And

16:26

it was like the left door left cracked open.

16:29

I could hear they were having sex inside. So

16:31

I come inside and they're

16:33

on the bed fucking like

16:35

crazy. And she told me while

16:37

they were doing it, just to take my clothes

16:39

off and get on the bed with her and,

16:42

you know, put on a collar and all

16:44

that. It didn't last for long

16:46

because the guy she was having sex with, as

16:48

soon as I was in the

16:50

room, he like came almost, almost immediately.

16:53

So I was hoping it

16:55

would last longer than that. Yeah. Yeah. But

16:59

I was, it was interesting and I've

17:01

had a couple of minor cuckoldry dynamics.

17:03

I find it's kind of hard to find a dominant

17:06

who's into cuckoldry

17:09

and sadism and the

17:11

level of domination that I prefer, or who

17:14

also might be my type, who might be very

17:16

voluptuous, for example. It's usually kind

17:19

of a mix. And, but sometimes I get kind

17:21

of lucky and I find someone who's more or

17:23

less like that and you never

17:25

know. Right. Yeah. Usually

17:27

they check four out of five boxes. And

17:30

they welcome to the world. That's like dating,

17:32

right? It's like normal dating, but with a

17:34

whip. Yeah, exactly. But

17:36

you know, that's why you're not married yet. If you had

17:38

met a girl that checked off all those boxes, you'd be,

17:41

you would have told me you were married already. Right.

17:43

I, I would have married, I would have married her

17:45

like that. Like I would, I would like

17:47

to get married at some point, but, and

17:49

I've met women recently who wanted

17:52

the same thing. They wanted a cuckoldry based marriage

17:54

and they wanted lots of strap on and all

17:56

this, but things didn't work out for

17:58

one reason or another. It's very

18:00

similar to normal dating, but you're talking about

18:02

kink as one of your interests. Sometimes

18:06

it doesn't go there. But then again, sometimes they

18:08

pop up later on and say, hey, I remember you

18:10

and why didn't we go out? Yeah.

18:14

Who knows? So how far do

18:16

you get into the whole masochism

18:18

thing? What kind of crazy

18:20

things are you into when it comes to that? I

18:24

wouldn't say I'm a super heavy masochist. I

18:26

like being flogged and I can take the

18:28

hardest flogging a woman can give me. Oh

18:31

my God. Really hard. Flogging

18:33

doesn't hurt that bad in my opinion. It's like

18:35

a really harsh massage, but it's

18:37

hot at the same time. I

18:40

like paddling a lot, but I've

18:42

been at a club where a

18:44

dominant friend of mine introduced me

18:48

to another dominant and said she kept

18:50

trying to tell this other dominant that I was

18:52

a really heavy sub. So this other

18:54

dominant went at me hard with a

18:57

giant paddle and I immediately screamed red

18:59

because there was no warm up or

19:01

anything. But I

19:03

can start kind of medium with a paddle

19:05

and other things and then be kind of

19:07

worked up to take it heavier. But

19:09

I'm not normally right off the bat super

19:12

heavy with it, but I can be paddled

19:14

till I'm red and then I quickly, the

19:16

red goes away quickly. I've

19:18

also been caned a couple of times with

19:22

a cane and

19:25

I've been to the point where I broke down

19:27

crying and I had like

19:29

marks on my ass for like a year. And

19:32

then after I stopped crying, the dominant had

19:34

unrestrained me because she did that and then

19:36

she asked me, I'm okay. And I was

19:38

like, yeah, can we do that again? This

19:43

is where it gets confusing in your

19:45

world, right? That's vanilla people are listening.

19:47

So is crying a bad thing in

19:49

this situation or is that like subspace

19:51

for you? I don't know. It is.

19:53

So it's not normal with masochists. Most masochists,

19:56

they don't cry when they're being spanked or

19:58

something. Some do. And

20:00

I I get to that point where I will reach

20:03

that point where I will it'll start hurting the

20:05

point where it really does Hurt and I know

20:07

it's not doesn't feel as good But

20:09

I'm enjoying the dominance and submissive level of

20:12

it and the fact that I'm being Cane

20:14

that hard by some of that I would

20:16

generally that's the point where I'm gonna say

20:18

call red or call it a safe word

20:20

Yeah, but it's it's not necessarily the end

20:22

of the scene I really just kind of

20:24

need a break to be honest with you

20:27

But yeah, and most subs or

20:29

most masochists would generally take more pain

20:31

than that There was a play

20:33

party that I would go to out here That

20:36

was really big and they had

20:38

this thing called the spanking line where guys would

20:40

show up They'd get naked in front of women

20:42

They put on collars and there would be a

20:44

light area a medium area and a heavy area

20:47

And I'd always go to the heavy area and I'd

20:49

be I'd be spanked really hard

20:51

It was only only bare-handed spanking. Mm-hmm And

20:53

then I'd have the and I'd cry after

20:55

a while because these dominant women would hit

20:57

hard and as hard as they could go

20:59

and they loved it and They

21:02

I would the other male subs there would tell

21:04

me they go to the medium line You're you're

21:06

crying and I'm like no no, this is great

21:08

I saw and they but they

21:10

were they weren't used to crying because it wouldn't make

21:12

them cry But it would make me cry, but you're

21:14

okay with that. That's your thing But you're

21:17

saying like that's not typical in that world

21:19

If no, it's not typical both guys who like

21:21

pain they can just take that like like that

21:23

Yeah, but the crying isn't your cue

21:25

to like stop really Not

21:28

really my cue generally. It means I'm

21:30

close to that level. We're gonna need

21:32

a break Mm-hmm, but usually I'll

21:34

just let them know if I think I'm at the point

21:36

where I have to take a break, you know And

21:40

then they don't calm down stop crying and

21:42

we can kind of resume at some point

21:44

What's the difference between flogging and

21:46

paddling? I would think flogging is

21:48

kind of smacking your ass with

21:50

something right and yeah difference The

21:53

difference is a paddle is usually a

21:55

hard surface like a wooden paddle that

21:57

you know, you would use for baking

22:00

or something similar. Not necessarily

22:02

a wooden paddle but some sort of

22:04

paddle with a hard flat surface. A

22:07

flogging is done with a flogger which is kind

22:09

of like it's like a cat of nine tails

22:12

but it doesn't have any sharp at

22:14

the end and they're like strands or

22:16

flails I think they're flaws something like

22:18

that. Yeah. Of like leather or suede

22:21

and they're usually really heavy but you

22:23

can find like really easy starter floggers

22:25

very easily. I prefer the

22:28

larger heavier floggers just because I could

22:30

take it a lot heavier and I've

22:32

been at dungeon scenes where it was

22:34

kind of a mixed party so there's

22:37

male doms, female doms, male, female

22:39

subs there and I'm getting flogged

22:42

and then afterwards I remember this one time

22:44

this really heavy female sub comes up to

22:46

me and says oh my

22:49

god I've never seen anyone get flogged that

22:51

hard and you're just okay. I'm

22:53

like I didn't think it was that hard. Wow.

22:56

Yeah. I guess I impressed her.

22:58

Now listen I've talked to other people I don't know

23:01

that they call themselves masochists but they told me that

23:03

they were into like ball torture

23:05

and having women walk on them

23:07

like I've heard. CBT. Yeah

23:09

are you into that kind of stuff too

23:11

like how far do you see that pain?

23:14

I'm into CBT but not really

23:16

heavy. CBT is we got

23:18

to explain these terms. Cock

23:21

and ball torture. Yeah CBT.

23:23

It's a real thing. A lot of

23:25

women who are sadists are into cock

23:27

and ball torture. Right. A lot of

23:29

dominance in general are. I am into

23:31

certain aspects of that like I

23:33

have a huge interest of things I

23:36

want to explore there like I love it when

23:38

the woman grabs me by the balls and just

23:40

like pulls in just any

23:42

way she wants and or digs

23:44

her nails into my balls while she's grabbing

23:46

them. It's not

23:48

much the pain that I like I just like

23:51

the feeling of a woman taking control like that.

23:53

But I also you know I have

23:56

a couple of different toys that like it's like

23:58

they have this weird glass case. thing that

24:00

you, a woman would put around my balls

24:02

and then it kind of crushes them. They,

24:05

they turn screws and it slowly crushes them

24:07

and it puts pressure on them. I

24:10

don't want to go too far with it because just for

24:12

safety, but it, it adds a lot of, a lot of

24:14

pressure. Um, I'm, I'm

24:16

also very interested in playing

24:19

with, uh, like electric play

24:21

with involving both male chastity

24:23

and CBT where, you

24:25

know, a woman will have a shock device

24:27

around my balls or, or there's like a

24:29

chastity cage out now where it that'll shock the head of

24:32

your cock. And I, I like

24:34

the idea of being in a

24:36

relationship where my Dom can

24:38

push a button and find if I'm, if I

24:40

talk out of line, she could push a button

24:42

and shock the head of my cock to discipline

24:44

me. I've heard that even

24:47

for masochist, it's not very pleasurable at all,

24:49

but that's kind of the appeal to me

24:51

that it's just a very

24:53

intense form of pain and just in such

24:55

as such an intimate way that

24:58

that appeals to me, that kind of stuff.

25:00

What about because you like BBWs and you're

25:02

like very voluptuous women. Do you like to

25:04

be smothered or are you into that whole

25:07

thing? Sort of, but I haven't been,

25:09

I like, I like face sitting a lot, but

25:11

I haven't gotten to explore too

25:13

much faces, face sitting a little bit

25:15

here and there. Yeah. I like women

25:17

that are, like I said, extremely voluptuous.

25:19

So like I'm really into what's called

25:21

breast worship and also butt worship

25:23

and thigh worship, where you just, as a

25:26

guy, you just go to town on that

25:28

area. You kiss every inch of her

25:30

breasts or whatever. And then I suck a

25:32

girl's boob for half an hour straight in

25:34

different ways. And I need

25:36

somebody who's particularly voluptuous to do

25:39

that kind of play. Because

25:41

you have more area to play. Yeah.

25:43

It's also, yeah. It's also the

25:45

only area I really switch at.

25:47

Like I'll, I'll like, I enjoy

25:49

causing a little bit of pain while I'm

25:51

sucking on a girl's nipples. And

25:53

I had an ex ex-girlfriend who was actually

25:55

more of a sub. We were, we were

25:57

trying to both be switches. And

26:00

I was playing with her tits and they, you

26:02

know, she, they were huge. And

26:04

I was just leaving my marks all

26:07

over her boobs. And like, I left

26:09

geometric bite marks all around her boobs

26:11

in this intricate pattern. And

26:14

then later she told me that I, I

26:16

had left so many marks on her boobs. She had

26:18

to cover herself up. Like she'd never been covered up

26:20

before. And she complained about it

26:22

and she wasn't really as much into pain.

26:25

It turned out she was more into way

26:27

more into being a sub. And I think she

26:30

thought because I was kinky that I might be

26:32

willing to dominate her. But I

26:34

was only interested in switching in that one area, but

26:37

just cause someone's a sub, it doesn't mean that they're

26:39

a masochist. Right. I was

26:41

going to ask before, when you were explaining about

26:43

the masochists and the crying, I was like, if

26:45

there was a vent diagram and you have all

26:47

subs in one circle and masochists and another, it's

26:49

not fully on top of each other, correct?

26:52

A lot of, a lot of male

26:54

subs are, or a lot of subs in

26:56

general are just submissive and they just like

26:58

a dominant partner. Yeah. There's a lot of

27:00

dominance, both male and female and everything in

27:02

between that only like being

27:04

dominant. In fact, most recent woman I dated

27:07

was only into being dominant, but there's a

27:09

lot of people, there's plus their switches all

27:11

like crazy. But there's a lot

27:13

of people who are just into, there's a

27:15

lot of women that are just sadists. They're

27:17

not necessarily dominant. They're just, they like causing

27:19

pain. They're really into CBT. They

27:22

can toy around with dominance and submission, but it

27:24

doesn't do as much for them. And then there's

27:26

people that are really into cuckoldry. Sometimes

27:29

you get people that are like a dominant

27:31

really likes cuckoldry or a dominant who's also

27:33

a sadist. It's really actually kind

27:36

of hard to find someone who is both

27:38

a dominant, a sadist and

27:40

a cuckoldry, though I do

27:42

find them on occasion. That's, that's your person you're

27:44

looking for. It's like a, they

27:46

got to check three boxes there. Then they got

27:48

to be very more voluptuous or BBW there. And

27:51

it's a lot of boxes. It's a lot of

27:53

checks too. Yeah.

27:55

When did you realize you were into BBW

27:57

or like into huge breasts and butt worship?

28:00

and all of that stuff too. Did that happen early on

28:02

for you as well? Kind of

28:04

early. Some of the first women I

28:06

dated were fairly busty. And I didn't

28:08

date a girl who was really curvy and

28:11

voluptuous until my early 20s. And

28:14

then I just happened to date this random

28:16

girl where she had extremely large boobs,

28:18

and she was BBW, and

28:21

we had sex. And she said she

28:23

told me that she had to be

28:25

on top. Just flat out, got on

28:27

top, rode me for a half hour straight,

28:30

she was just extremely aggressive. And we

28:33

never did any real kink

28:35

stuff, but she would pin my arms down,

28:37

or she'd tell me to put my hands

28:39

under her knees while we had sex, and

28:42

things like that. And that kind of was

28:44

an eye-opening experience, because I'd never been with

28:46

someone, a woman that was that aggressive, but

28:48

also that voluptuous. But I also

28:50

had never been with a woman who was actually

28:53

good in bed, or anywhere near that level. And

28:55

she was all three, those things. She was good

28:57

and bad. Yeah,

28:59

and I regret to this day

29:01

ending things with her, and who knows. But

29:04

since then, I kind of look back, and I'm

29:07

like, wow. She

29:10

started a lot of this, where I started realizing just how

29:12

much of a sub I was, and I just realized

29:15

what I liked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that

29:17

was a very early experience. I

29:19

think sometimes our early experiences definitely

29:22

shape us for

29:24

the future, don't you think? That's

29:26

why I wonder where that came from. My first

29:28

girlfriend, like I said, was fairly curvy. She

29:30

wasn't like a BBW, but she had a

29:32

big butt, and she had sizable

29:34

breasts that weren't huge or anything. And

29:37

again, she could be very aggressive. And

29:40

since then, every girl has been

29:42

some variation of that that I've

29:44

dated, at least the ones I've really enjoyed

29:47

dating. And I just realized

29:49

it more and more, that I have a

29:51

specific type that I like, and there is

29:53

a specific type of woman I like, personality-wise.

29:56

Because the woman I date, they're not just dominant

29:59

in the bedroom. They're oftentimes very outgoing

30:01

dominant women in general a lot

30:03

of the women I've dated are

30:05

very alpha and business women lawyers

30:09

They they they're very very

30:11

alpha dominant in real life and they

30:13

come home and they want their Nude

30:16

collared sub to rub their feet and make them

30:18

dinner and then take a strap on Yeah,

30:22

not every woman's not every woman who's very alpha

30:24

is like that in fact about majority the vast

30:26

majority are probably more Oh, they come

30:29

home and they want to be the submissive or they

30:31

just want to be more relaxed Yeah, it's never gonna

30:33

be a hundred percent It's

30:37

probably 80% are more submissive

30:39

my experience and then 20%

30:41

are the more dominant ones And you know everyone else

30:44

is in the middle some are there have another

30:46

girl podcast or Layla London She's on

30:48

my show a lot and she's definitely

30:50

an alpha Check and she

30:52

was talking about how she started doming a

30:54

guy and she fucking loved it I'm like

30:56

wow, you're like guys would love you because

30:58

a lot of guys are looking for that

31:00

dominant woman Yeah, there's a

31:02

tremendous amount of men that are

31:05

submissive Yeah, or they're just bottom and they

31:07

are looking everywhere. Yeah dominant women Yeah I

31:09

think a lot of guys that are kind

31:11

of get into playing with other guys Are

31:14

that are normally straight or really just looking

31:16

for dominant women, but they just can't find

31:18

it that often Yeah That's always

31:21

so interesting about what you said in

31:23

the beginning that you were hooking up

31:25

with guys for that Experience,

31:27

but once you realize you could have

31:29

a woman to give you that experience

31:32

It may not I really just wanted to feel someone

31:35

Dominating me sexually and I also realized

31:37

I enjoyed anal sex And

31:40

I had some experiences with a couple

31:42

of guys that I actually really enjoyed to Think

31:45

back of it. I'm like, oh that was amazing But

31:48

I can easily get that from dominant

31:50

women not every day But if I meet

31:53

someone who's really into it and

31:55

then it just kind of made Playing

31:57

with guys a little bit obsolete. Although like

31:59

I said It's something that I enjoy

32:01

on occasion. Yeah, it

32:03

is. I mean listen most of the straight guys

32:06

that I'm talking to that go out and every

32:08

now and then suck a dick They always want

32:10

to be the person sucking the dick. They don't

32:12

want their dick sucked by a guy, right? So

32:14

it's a very submissive kind of act. So you're

32:17

right A lot of those guys are looking for

32:19

just to be submissive and and what they tell

32:21

me is That it's hard

32:23

to find the guy that just wants

32:25

the blowjob because every guy like that

32:27

guy wants to give the blowjob That's

32:29

why I made a comment on a

32:31

recent podcast straight men like get in

32:33

on this action There's a lot of

32:35

submissive guys looking for guys that want

32:38

blowjobs if you open yourself up. There's a

32:40

there'll be a line There's so many right?

32:43

There's so many guys that just want to suck dick.

32:45

I'll give you an example. I don't really like receiving

32:48

blowjobs at all Same

32:51

thing and but I'm open to

32:53

giving someone sucking a dick on

32:55

occasion And same thing like with

32:57

a woman. I like women who

32:59

just want oral It's actually called

33:01

oral service where I just

33:03

go down on them and there's that's its

33:06

own reward That's that's something that just really

33:08

works with me and a

33:10

lot of a lot of women like that

33:12

Yeah, I like to please but I also

33:14

like pleasing outside of the bedroom So like

33:16

I like clean I'm like the guy who

33:18

I like to clean the house and I like doing

33:20

the dishes after dinner I like making dinner from women.

33:22

I'm dating. I Love I don't

33:25

really have a foot fetish, but I love rubbing

33:27

women's feet I like I like

33:29

to be on my knees while they're like sitting

33:31

up in a chair or in comfort

33:33

and just Getting to serve

33:36

in that way and knowing that I'm

33:38

doing something that they enjoy. Let

33:40

me ask you this Do you like to fuck the shit out of

33:42

a girl every now and then to? Once

33:45

in a while, it's usually if I want to

33:47

just fuck the shit out of a girl It's

33:49

usually somebody who's very voluptuous then I enjoy it

33:51

a lot more I've dated

33:53

some dominance that were so voluptuous and I

33:55

had very little interest in actually having sex

33:58

with them I just would enjoy being tagged

34:00

by them. When they're very voluptuous,

34:02

like that, that girl who climbs on top of

34:04

me and told me she had to be on

34:06

top, she was so voluptuous

34:08

that I, I wanted to fuck

34:10

the shit out of her left and right. It was kind

34:12

of the best of both worlds. I only

34:15

ask because listen, the way you're describing yourself,

34:17

you're like, I want to just orally please

34:19

a woman and I'm not so much a

34:21

fit to feet, but I'd love to rub

34:23

a woman's feet and I want to cook

34:26

her dinner. And I'm like, if you wind

34:28

up fucking her too, what girl would it

34:30

want that? I get that you don't want,

34:32

that's why I just wanted to see does

34:34

a guy like you that's totally submissive, will

34:37

you also fuck that girl? It's not really

34:39

the top of your list. And that's where

34:41

it's not the top of the list. It's

34:43

more pegging or having sex with a woman

34:45

or eating her out or playing with your

34:47

giant tits, whatever. It's like a

34:50

different option. Yeah. And I don't want the

34:52

same thing every time. I may want to

34:54

have sex maybe one and every 10

34:56

times and the rest of it, I could do all kinds of

34:58

other things. I'm happy if

35:00

a woman flogs me and paddles me and

35:02

then uses a strap on and things

35:05

like that. But then once in a while

35:07

I do like sex, but you know, I

35:09

generally prefer women who want to be on

35:11

top of most of the time, but

35:13

I do like to be on top sometimes and

35:15

enjoy that as well. It's just not

35:18

the number one thing that I'm into. Yeah.

35:20

Listen, there's somebody for everybody. Sometimes

35:22

when somebody's a hardcore into cuckolding

35:25

and they're kind of like you and that they

35:27

don't really need to fuck their

35:29

girl, right? They like all this other

35:31

kind of stuff. Sometimes that could create

35:33

a disconnect because in a very intimate

35:35

relationship, when it's more than just sex,

35:38

that kind of sex with the woman

35:40

is it's, you know, it's more than

35:42

just sex, right? Yeah. I think that with

35:44

a lot of cuckolds, a lot of times

35:46

they want a dynamic where they just watch

35:48

their partner have sex and they don't really

35:51

have any intimacy with them. I know, but

35:53

those are my, okay, good, because those

35:55

are my cuck gone wrong stories. Those are

35:57

the stories that end so bad and it's

35:59

for a reason. Yeah, because they don't

36:01

have any intimacy. And to me, I like

36:03

when I'm doing cuckoldry, I don't want one

36:05

thing. I like being part of the scene

36:07

while the woman I'm with is getting fucked.

36:09

Maybe I play with her tits or I

36:11

could be in a cage, I could be

36:14

on the edge of the bed, I could be under the bed, it

36:16

doesn't matter. I have so

36:18

many different ideas that I like there. But

36:20

I like to be part of it to a

36:22

degree, but I also still like

36:24

being intimate with my partner. I just

36:27

prefer in a cuckoldy dynamic that I'm

36:29

not the number one when it comes

36:31

to penetrating her. Right, but you

36:33

understand that the connection needs to be there too. And

36:35

you're not totally... Yeah,

36:37

because when I hear with the chastity and

36:40

then the cuckoldry and then it gets so

36:42

extreme that they're not connecting anymore, there's no

36:44

reclaiming. You're just waiting for your girl to

36:46

find somebody, one of those guys, yeah, to

36:48

wind up. Yeah, I think a

36:50

lot of those guys, if they... I

36:52

think a lot of them maybe if they just tried pegging,

36:54

they'd find out there was a lot of intimacy there. Or

36:56

maybe if they just went down

36:58

on their girlfriends or wives and

37:01

continued that as intimacy, then

37:04

they might keep that. I was going to say,

37:06

I've also dated a lot of women who are

37:08

very kind of nymphomaniacs where they want to get

37:10

fucked all the time. It's

37:13

great to be a cuckold then because I

37:15

don't necessarily want to have sex

37:17

in that way that often. Right. They have

37:19

a bull, it's like, oh, it's amazing. Now

37:22

this guy can deal with it. I'll

37:24

fake that guy afterwards. Yeah,

37:27

you're right. So that girl could go out and get

37:29

her fill. You don't have to do it all, but

37:31

you're going to be there one and every 10 times

37:33

to fuck her and you're also going to give her

37:35

oral and you're also going to rip her feet and

37:37

cook her dinner. And so, where could she

37:40

ask for? Things like that. And I

37:42

should point out I'm also into going to,

37:44

like I said, going to dungeons. I enjoy there

37:47

being a public aspect because I'm kind of

37:49

an exhibitionist. Oh, okay. If

37:51

I go to a dungeon and people are

37:54

watching me be disciplined or get pegged or

37:56

something like that, it does a little bit

37:58

more for me. because I just enjoy

38:00

kind of having an audience. Yeah.

38:04

In the past, I've also made a couple

38:06

of videos of me and my ex playing

38:08

with different scenes. And the ex I was

38:10

with for three years, she was really into

38:13

exhibitionism, even more

38:15

than me. And then I kind of realized

38:17

how much I like people watching being

38:19

with her because we would gather

38:21

a crowd. And so these were

38:23

like dungeon parties? Usually

38:26

dungeon parties where, you know, usually

38:28

almost always they were femdom dungeon parties.

38:31

And what could you just explain femdom

38:33

what that means? Femdom means

38:35

it means female domination.

38:37

So the women is almost

38:39

exclusively dominant, at least at a party like

38:42

this, sometimes they're switches. And

38:44

you go to a party like this,

38:46

it's usually all scenes are female led

38:48

where women are topping or they're getting

38:51

eaten out or in some cases, certain

38:53

parties, they're pecking their guys. Or

38:55

in some way or another, they're taking

38:57

the dominant role. Yeah. Although, like I said, it

39:00

might be a switch couple where they switch back

39:02

and forth in their home life. But

39:04

you go in there and it's a

39:06

lot of times it's men who are

39:08

nude being collared and pulled around on

39:10

leashes by women wearing black leather latex,

39:12

or sometimes just women wearing

39:14

cute dresses pulling around a naked sub

39:17

and then paddling them over

39:19

a bench. Things

39:21

like that. Yeah. So what would you and your partner do

39:23

when you go? Because like for you walking

39:25

around naked as an exhibitionist on a collar,

39:28

that must be hot for you. Oh, yeah,

39:30

it's great. I love it. Yeah, we

39:32

do certain dungeons will allow

39:34

pegging some don't. So we were

39:36

really into pegging, especially she was probably

39:38

more into pegging than I was in

39:40

some cases. But we go there and

39:42

she disciplined me with paddles of her

39:45

choice. And then she pegged me especially

39:47

we're in a big main room. She

39:50

restrained me a little bit, but we never

39:52

really explored that as much as we honestly

39:54

both wanted to both were interested in exploring

39:56

rope, but we never really got the chance

39:59

mostly has COVID kind of gotten the

40:01

way and canceled everything for three years. Yeah. And

40:03

then I think there was a

40:05

couple times where certain parties were, I

40:08

would go down on her in front of a

40:10

big scene of people and she would

40:13

just scored everywhere and make a

40:15

giant mess and things

40:18

like that. There were times where we'd

40:20

have sex, just her on top or whatever on

40:22

top of a stage and this

40:24

right in front of everybody, everyone

40:26

would watch and things like that. But a lot

40:28

of times we do, I'd be wearing

40:31

a chastity cage and

40:33

she'd pull me around on it and

40:35

we'd watch other people's scenes. But

40:37

a lot of times we would just end up doing a

40:39

lot of pegging or a lot of stuff related

40:41

to that. Why do you think that pegging is sometimes

40:44

not allowed in a dungeon party? I don't get

40:46

it. Some dungeons don't allow

40:48

any sort of penetrative

40:50

sex or any oral sex just

40:52

because they're afraid that they're

40:55

going to get busted for it. Yeah, that makes

40:57

sense. A lot of them

40:59

will allow pegging because it doesn't

41:01

involve an actual penis and vagina

41:03

or anything like that. It's a

41:05

toy and they're afraid that there

41:07

might be people might catch

41:09

a disease from each other or something random might

41:11

happen like that. They don't want, they want it

41:13

clean, they want it safe and

41:16

they have very specific rules, but it varies

41:18

by the dungeon. Some dungeons

41:20

are just very open and they don't really

41:22

care. And like I said, some of

41:24

them are much stricter in general and where I live,

41:27

there's more than half

41:29

a dozen dungeons. Some of them are a little newer

41:31

than others, but. Is

41:33

that a lot? That's a lot, right? To have in

41:36

one area. Yeah, that's, that's a fairly large

41:38

amount. I live in a city. Let's just

41:40

say it's fairly large city

41:42

and there's scattered around the

41:44

area. There's over half

41:47

a dozen. In fact, there's a couple of them

41:49

that just sprung up recently that I've never been

41:51

to, I've just heard about repeatedly. Like two or

41:53

three new ones. Yeah. But sometimes they, they, they

41:55

come and go. Like they, there was a really

41:58

big one that closed recently because of COVID. And

42:00

covered reasons? yeah then it's three more

42:03

popped up in it's place and then

42:05

in. I think a small cities like

42:07

you might get one. or maybe to

42:10

dungeons and then. The. Biggest city

42:12

in a big area urban area where I

42:14

live he you get a whole but from

42:16

all over the place even in. Sort.

42:18

Of backwater, but reveries. They're still kind of

42:20

blind, but they will be as well known.

42:23

To. Yeah and will people be surprised at

42:25

the demographics of the people that are

42:27

there? Like what do you. Say

42:29

it is the demographics. Of. The

42:32

people that are into Bdsm that like hardcore

42:34

go in a dungeon. Parties. Are

42:36

everyone under the sun? Yeah I mean

42:39

you get just everyone you get a

42:41

lot of people that are. I will

42:43

say this is a lot of trans

42:45

men and trans women to go to.

42:47

Dungeon parties are many them go to

42:49

and i'm events as well as to

42:51

kind of regular events but by regular

42:53

a general of and co op lot

42:55

of times when you go to. A.

42:57

Regular Kick event. Ninety

42:59

percent of the people there are

43:02

male dogs and female subs. And

43:04

I'm not a smaller area that

43:06

sports and are more and more

43:08

sort of gender neutral, right? So that's

43:10

why they has Seven Dogs night so you know

43:12

that that was going down South split. Listen, I'm

43:14

a lotta times I'm talking to the guys into

43:17

Bdsm and we're talking about these dungeons with the

43:19

Germany check for forget that there's like male dogs

43:21

out there. chair of of. His it's

43:23

mostly male dog and as well but when I

43:25

told you that. You're. Saying that mostly at

43:27

the party. That's why you're specifying that

43:29

the several down party because that's the

43:31

that's that they have a special night

43:34

just for that because typically you're gonna

43:36

go to a dungeon party. it's going

43:38

be mostly male.melbourne. Yeah. Of.

43:40

there's a lot of that and that but

43:42

in it's funny because there's a lot of

43:44

male dancers say they can't find female suburbs

43:46

but my experiences there's tons of female such

43:48

searches the role of a place and i

43:50

have a couple other that i went on

43:52

to vanilla sites recently who i've just become

43:54

friends with gas and if they say the

43:56

same thing they're like the world male dogs

43:58

and like level or They're all over

44:01

FetLife. Yeah, you can say I'll take you to a party.

44:04

I've offered. I have a female

44:06

sub friend who I keep matching with on a dating

44:08

site and we talk on and off. Yeah. I keep

44:10

telling her if you want to go to a party,

44:13

I can bring you to one. And

44:15

I tell her, I'm not going to play with you

44:17

because I'm not into what you're into, but we

44:20

can go together and you can check it out.

44:22

But there's also parties that are like male,

44:25

dumb, female sub orientated, quite a few of them.

44:28

And it's a great place to go for

44:30

a woman who really wants to experience submission

44:32

to a guy. And there are plenty

44:35

of guys that are looking to play. I don't

44:37

know what the

44:40

quality level of male doms would be there,

44:42

but there's a lot of

44:44

parties like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for

44:46

sure. They're far less, far less than

44:48

parties in general in comparison. Yeah,

44:51

no, that's interesting. When did you start doing

44:53

the whole art thing and drawing this stuff

44:55

out and creating visuals? Do

44:57

you have a website or an Instagram or anything?

45:00

I have a Twitter account that

45:02

I can give you the address for. And

45:06

where I post just about

45:08

everything I do, it's BOWB4Gynarchy. It's

45:12

the name of the Twitter. Oh my God,

45:14

you gotta spell that, but I'll put a link

45:16

to it. Yeah, BOWB4Gynarchy at Twitter. I

45:28

hope you want to do that with Twitter. And

45:31

I post all kinds of stuff there.

45:33

Why did you pick such a complicated name? It

45:37

was a weird web handle I

45:39

used. There's

45:41

a lot of male subs that like

45:43

the idea of Gynearchy, which is a

45:45

completely female-led society, which is really a

45:47

fantasy. And so

45:49

I thought it'd be a great title just

45:51

to get kind of attention. And it

45:54

made the theme of my work. And

45:57

I started doing drawings like that. I would sketch

45:59

things like that. that when I was in high

46:01

school, but just throw them away or whatever. And

46:03

then when I was in college, I

46:05

just started doing more and more femdom

46:08

stuff on the side, but I wouldn't

46:10

draw that as part of my college courses,

46:12

the work I would turn in. I was

46:14

an art major basically. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And

46:16

then afterwards I

46:19

would, I would started to build my

46:21

own little repertoire of femdom related art

46:24

that I would just got better and

46:26

better at and started building up a

46:28

gallery of online and it started getting

46:30

a small following. But

46:32

I'm trying to find you. So, but it's like, you

46:34

just said it so fast and I can't figure

46:37

out what the fuck you're saying. Okay. So

46:39

missionary, that's your name. Oh,

46:42

look at these. This is really cool. Wait,

46:44

your stuff is really cool. Thanks.

46:47

I put a lot of work into it. It's like very

46:49

futuristic too. It's got like that kind

46:51

of spin on it. Yeah.

46:54

A little bit, right? It's

46:56

very futuristic. I like, I

46:58

love science fiction at the same time. Yeah,

47:00

it's got that. Yeah. It's kind of a

47:02

blend of everything I like all in one.

47:04

And yeah. Do you sell your art anywhere? I

47:09

occasionally do commissions or I've

47:11

sold some of the journal work. I mostly

47:13

work digitally, so there's not really originals, but

47:16

I'll, like I said, I'll do commissions when people approach

47:18

me about it. And then I've got

47:20

some older drawings that I'll sell. A couple of

47:22

them are femdom themed. Oh my

47:24

God. These in a dungeon or at a party would

47:27

be so fucking cool. If

47:30

I had a place to sell them at a dungeon, yeah,

47:32

they would, they would probably. Oh my God. If you blew

47:34

this shit up and put made

47:36

huge posters all around the room and through

47:38

a party, like I would put this shit up all around.

47:40

Like it's so cool. It would be a really cool vibe.

47:44

Thanks. You got a point there actually.

47:46

Don't you think? Picture it. Listen, I live in New

47:48

York City. I'm surprised you could have, I don't know what city

47:50

you live in, but there's a place. You could do a little

47:52

art. You could show this stuff at

47:55

an art gallery. Like it's really cool. It's got an

47:57

edge. It's, it's, it's, it's

47:59

beautiful. It's art and

48:01

it's interesting. Yeah.

48:04

I've wanted to show my work at

48:06

galleries before. I have

48:08

shared it at a couple of very small

48:10

galleries. Yeah. And where I've shown

48:13

one or two pieces. It's

48:15

funny because I've showed a lot of

48:17

just kind of regular abstract work or

48:19

some kind of vanilla art. Yeah. And

48:21

then I squeezed like one femdom drawing

48:23

in and guess what? The femdom drawing

48:25

is the one that everyone likes the

48:27

most and got all the attention. Yeah.

48:29

People were like, oh my god, that's

48:31

so different and so unique. Yeah. But

48:33

it was also positive and negative attention.

48:35

So there was like 90% of

48:37

the people thought it would be amazing. And then it was

48:40

just like one guy who'd be like, oh my god, that's

48:42

just obscene. Yeah, and everyone was listening to

48:44

that one guy. Yeah. There's always that one

48:46

guy. If this shit was glow in

48:49

the dark, imagine how cool it would be

48:51

in a place. It

48:53

would be interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let

48:55

me ask you this about your, you said

48:57

the word vanilla. My last question to you

48:59

is like, who the fuck knows about this

49:01

whole side of you? Everybody? Or is this

49:03

like people that know you would have no

49:06

fucking clue? Like how do you roll? Well,

49:08

most of my family doesn't know. None of my

49:11

family really knows. Okay, yeah. My ex

49:13

knows because we were all in the scene

49:15

together and we're still close because we have

49:17

a child together. Mm-hmm. When

49:20

her family kind of knows quite a few of them.

49:23

One or two of my friends know, but

49:25

it's generally people I know that are more

49:28

kink-oriented. Mm-hmm. And because

49:31

I'm a big nerd with nerd stuff,

49:33

there's a strong connection between kink and

49:35

like nerd culture. A lot of nerds

49:37

are very kink-y. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

49:39

would think. There's a ton of

49:41

connection there. Well, because don't you think it

49:43

takes a little bit like of intelligence

49:45

needed there to be, because it's like a creative

49:47

part of somebody. It's like you're, you have to

49:49

be kind of smart, don't you think? There's

49:52

a strong connection between kink and

49:54

intelligence and I've heard

49:56

a lot of people say things like that.

49:59

There's a lot of that. And a lot

50:01

of intelligent people just are

50:03

just really kinky. You're really into odd

50:06

kinks that other people just might not

50:08

be into and things

50:10

like that. Do you think it tends to be more

50:13

filled with more heady people? Cause it's like

50:15

on a heady kind of sex. There

50:18

are. Yeah. I've, I've heard, but I can't

50:20

confirm this that there are quite a few

50:22

certain celebrities that will go to some different

50:24

femdom parties, but they wear, they

50:27

wear masks. Yeah. They don't want people to

50:29

know. Of course. And then I've met dominance

50:31

who said, yeah, I dated a celebrity

50:33

who they wouldn't tell me who it was,

50:35

but they said it was really on the

50:37

down low because this person was just really

50:40

into femdom, but they don't want anyone to

50:42

know. It's almost like they

50:44

think they're going to be outed. For

50:46

some reason, which is, well, if they were, they would

50:48

fuck up their career. Look at it happens all

50:50

the time. It's kind of so ridiculous because first

50:52

of all, it's no one's fucking business. And

50:55

it's kind of gross. Like recently there was that

50:57

whole thing with Will Smith. Somebody came out and

50:59

said, Oh, I used to see him fuck guys.

51:01

Like, why would you snitch on something? Like, why

51:03

would you even say that? Even if he does,

51:05

what is it anyone's business? That's what he does.

51:07

And if he doesn't want anyone to know, no

51:09

one should know. It's as long as it's consensual

51:11

and everyone's into it, it's no one's fucking business

51:13

and it doesn't matter. But these people have to

51:15

wear a mask because like the worst thing that

51:17

could happen is that that gets outed because the

51:19

majority of people, I mean, it's the reason why

51:21

I do my show to kind of like get

51:23

people to be more open to stuff and realize

51:25

that this is what's going down and it could

51:27

be the person sitting next to you. It could

51:29

be your uncle that you don't know. It could

51:31

be your neighbor. These are regular people are doing

51:33

these things. Celebrities are doing them and the guy

51:35

down the street is doing them. And the woman

51:37

that you're working with does them. You know, I

51:39

have a woman named Gang Bang Betty and she's

51:41

like, I've seen her. She's a soccer mom. You

51:43

would never know. And she's having full on gang

51:45

bangs. This is the shit that goes down, but

51:48

nobody wants to talk about it and no one

51:50

can be outed because you could really lose. Like

51:52

nowadays you could lose a lot, you know, if

51:54

you have to keep it under wraps. It's such

51:56

a fact. Sorry. Yeah, I mean,

51:58

I was I'll give you. Example of like

52:00

i went to school somebody who's and same

52:03

program is me yeah. That. I

52:05

try to get a vibe that

52:07

she was kinky com and she's very

52:09

very dominant female. Yeah, I recently came

52:11

across you're Looking for Subs and was

52:14

like. Wait, I would do. The

52:16

same program with Atlanta. not that surprising,

52:18

but we never talked about tinkering like

52:20

that. his id want to ask her

52:22

could see yeah garlic connection there but

52:24

I may. I got to the feeling

52:26

I was in. Grad school

52:29

that if I had drawn. You.

52:31

Know erotic art or fan dominated art. of lot

52:33

of the a lot of the people I was

52:35

in school with would not have been cool that

52:38

they would have been like what is that is

52:40

why you doing this says that had been he

52:42

I would I would have gotten kicked out of

52:44

school but of course they would. They would have

52:47

looked down upon me for doing so. Would.

52:49

A list: Beautiful art that you do and nice

52:51

textures. A lot of people that you know that

52:53

your friends with don't even know that. That's. Your

52:55

staff. They they wouldn't know

52:57

panels. it is a program I went

52:59

to. They might recognize the style. Yeah,

53:02

that's what I was gonna labor the

53:04

colors and are running out. Very stylistic

53:06

yeah, but they they wouldn't know those

53:08

particular pieces or at that I did

53:10

that type of art like a rock.

53:12

Any sort of erotic art, yeah, but

53:14

they recognize the very specific style of

53:16

it. I think. Yeah, I love it. I

53:19

think it's cool as shit at beautiful and like

53:21

you really talented I'm I'm like I said, if

53:23

I was like reading a dungeon I'd be like

53:25

could you make season glow in the dark. And

53:27

I'd blow them up and plenum all over. Like. At of

53:30

out how cool would that room be? I'm

53:32

gonna have some from your twitter and put

53:34

them on my page. As the people could

53:36

see there's gonna be blue one then Ah.

53:39

Bless kids as tomorrow you'd

53:41

split squats. You don't have huge

53:43

switched its it tomorrow he I love that lot

53:45

and so fuck have you know. Yes! Oh

53:47

cool Yeah you're really tells it it's amazing. I

53:49

don't know what your regular artists but this stuff

53:51

is really. It's similar. There's. A place where

53:53

they are very talented when it's actually very cool. So

53:56

I'm I'm going to post some of that. I will

53:58

put a link to your Twitter so. could see

54:00

what we're talking about because it's super cool. You

54:03

lead a very interesting life. I wonder who

54:06

you're gonna wind up with. Like you said,

54:08

you're kind of open to meeting someone now,

54:10

right? Like it's like your time, you're kind of

54:12

looking to settle down maybe? I'm looking

54:14

to settle down. I would like to be in

54:17

a female relationship where eventually

54:19

I'd like to, I would actually get married. Yeah.

54:22

And like I said, I have met

54:25

numerous dominance surprisingly on

54:27

a lot of dating sites in

54:29

the last couple of years and I was

54:32

recently dating a dominant or

54:34

woman who's very vanilla but very

54:36

dominant and kind of

54:38

mildly interested in kink and it

54:40

didn't work out but the next

54:43

one might. Who knows? Yeah listen,

54:45

I think it's all about timing. I really believe

54:47

that there's somebody for everybody. Sometimes if you don't

54:49

have anybody yet, it's just you haven't, you're not

54:51

ready for it. You didn't want it but if

54:53

you do want it now, it's just a matter

54:55

of time and you will meet that person. Like

54:57

I said, there is, I believe there's

55:00

somebody for everybody. It's just a matter of like

55:02

you wanting it, right? You're probably ready, you're in

55:04

your 40s, you already have a kid but you

55:06

want to have a long-term relationship and I'm sure

55:08

that's gonna happen for you. You're gonna meet somebody

55:10

eventually. I know what I happen for. Yeah, I

55:14

know what will happen eventually. I guess I

55:16

meet dominance more often than you would think.

55:18

I think there's a lot

55:20

of male subs in the world who think that

55:22

dominance is super rare but they're not as rare

55:24

as you would think. Yeah, I love that. And

55:27

like before, were you ever really looking

55:29

for, like you've had long-term relationships, were

55:31

you looking to get married before or

55:33

is it now you're looking for that?

55:35

I was always interested in getting married but

55:37

I didn't want to marry somebody who wasn't

55:40

at all physically my type. Yeah. Or I

55:42

didn't want to marry somebody who was very

55:44

vanilla and then have a secret life. I

55:47

wanted to have somebody who was into

55:49

the same kinks, at least a good amount of them

55:52

that I was because there's some kinks that were like

55:54

in my last relationship we weren't, we didn't

55:56

do any cuckoldry but I still, it was

55:59

a really fulfilling relationship. Still yeah, so

56:01

I don't expect to find someone

56:03

who's absolutely perfect. That would be amazing

56:05

There's compromise if they if they

56:07

check four to five boxes, I'm probably gonna be

56:09

happy. Yeah Hopefully I can

56:11

you can have that kind of thing too, but

56:14

you know fingers crossed. Yeah Well, listen,

56:16

I'm women. Listen, I have a you're gonna

56:18

get access to my discord Maybe there's a

56:20

good list of my chest cords like Craigslist

56:22

now people are like hooking up on there.

56:24

No really serious I'll give you

56:26

free access to there. Maybe you'll get a hit up

56:28

by some people It might

56:31

happen. Who knows? Yeah, you never know. But listen,

56:33

thank you so much Max for calling in and

56:35

sharing your story It was super interesting. I'm gonna

56:37

put I put pics of all my patreon I'm

56:39

gonna take pics of your art and put it

56:41

on my patreon. That's cool, right? I could take

56:43

some stuff from that's what I show people. I'm gonna

56:45

perfectly fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I'm gonna put a

56:48

link to your Twitter so people could see your

56:50

stuff as well Your episode will

56:52

definitely be up soon. It'll be on a

56:54

fetish Friday. So keep stay tuned. It'll be

56:56

up. Okay soon. Awesome Thanks, Max, thanks so

56:58

much for calling in this was fascinating no

57:01

problem. Thank you. Bye Max Everyone.

57:03

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