0:00

Poof. All right, Matt, we're coming in hot.

0:02

You gotta tell you, man, this one still wears

0:05

me out. Let me let me just ask you on

0:07

the off chance you solved this since we recorded

0:09

this classic episode, Matt, what happened

0:12

to Aidolf Hitler? Quicksand

0:14

Yeah, nobody expected it, not even

0:17

him, especially not him. Now, Yeah, he was

0:19

focused on other things. But

0:22

joking aside, there

0:24

does seem to be some questions

0:27

remaining when it comes to what actually

0:29

happened to Aidolf Hitler? Was

0:32

the skull actually his? Did

0:35

he actually go down in the bunker or the way history

0:38

tells us. We're gonna explore these

0:40

questions and these theories in this episode.

0:43

Um, we will be talking about Hitler, so

0:46

prepare for that. But it'll be a good

0:48

compo from UFOs to

0:50

psychic powers and government conspiracies.

0:52

History is riddled with unexplained

0:54

events. You can turn back now

0:57

or learn the stuff they don't want you to up.

1:10

Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My

1:13

name isn't all they call me Ben? You are

1:15

you that makes this stuff? They

1:18

don't want you to know. We're

1:20

back right in the studio. Yeah, we're back

1:22

in the studio we returned from our sojourn

1:24

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1:27

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1:29

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we had a heck of a time doing it. We

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hope to do more live shows in the future.

1:50

So as a side note, if

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town, let us know so we can

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1:59

send us on a few trips, offer us up a couch

2:01

to crash on. We would be very much appreciative

2:03

of that kind of gesture. And or of

2:06

five star hotel whatever you if

2:08

you happen to be a big wig and you are five

2:11

star hotels, you know six of you got

2:13

him under I

2:16

think four and a half is the best I've ever done.

2:20

Well, I can't disclose a

2:22

lot of my travel circumstances.

2:24

I like to keep that underground.

2:27

And what we're talking about today,

2:30

speaking of overly

2:32

labored segues UH concerns

2:35

one of the most famous allegations

2:38

of underground travel in modern history.

2:42

This is a story about a titular

2:44

incident in World War Two

2:47

in April, when

2:50

the Fjura of Germany a

2:52

k a. Adolf Hitler died.

2:55

For decades since, this single event

2:57

has remained one of the most discussed moments

3:00

of the entire war. He's

3:02

in a bunker, right, Yes, it

3:04

was a five star bunker. He probably

3:07

actually it was. Yeah, we have some of the

3:09

we have some of the architecture about actually,

3:12

you know what I'm remembering, and we'll get to this later

3:15

in the episode. It wasn't that great,

3:18

not a five star not. I don't think

3:20

it was a Michelin. I don't think that Michelin

3:22

started facilities. As far

3:24

as food goes, it was. It

3:26

was generally spoiler alert,

3:28

an unpleasant place, but mostly

3:31

secure from shelling. Yeah.

3:33

Well, in theory, the death

3:36

of Hitler signaled a tremendous blow

3:38

to the right, and even today, historians

3:40

continue to debate about the nature

3:43

and degree of this blow because

3:45

there's this big question. Was Hitler

3:48

at this point genuinely a good tactician

3:51

or had he become increasingly unhinged

3:53

in irrational due to drug use

3:56

And now we're talking about like emphetamins. He

3:58

was hopped up on goofballs. Yeah,

4:00

and at the time, you

4:03

know, in World War Two we

4:06

hear a lot about use

4:08

of methamphetamines, perhaps by Hitler

4:10

or Saxis powers. But as

4:13

we examined in our previous

4:15

episodes on drug

4:17

use in the military, amphetamines

4:20

were something that everybody

4:22

was interested in, you know. And thank

4:25

you, by the way to everybody who wrote in

4:27

in the listener mail episode that

4:29

you Nolan, you Mett did where

4:32

we actually had a caller, uh

4:35

call in and talk

4:37

about drugs in the military.

4:39

And if you haven't listened to that episode, please check

4:42

it out. It was tremendously education.

4:44

It's very kind. Ben. It was not a bad effort for

4:46

for us being without our our

4:48

compatriot. Oh

4:51

I was. I was listening to it on a plane,

4:53

and I think there were there was some pretty

4:55

funny moments that kind of creeped out. The ladies saying

4:57

next to me, but you know, you made a nice appearance

5:00

where you sort of possessed me for a second

5:02

and you caused my nose to bleed and

5:04

me to spout gibberish and I'm sorry

5:06

by their spirit. Yeah, I've also brought some

5:08

clean x is into the studio in case

5:10

we have something like that happened again.

5:13

So was the loss of Hitler largely

5:15

a symbolic problem? Some historians

5:18

have asked? And you can find exhaustive

5:21

and we do mean exhaustive

5:23

biographies of Adolf Hitler

5:25

and and analyzes of

5:28

the right in World War Two all

5:30

over the place. If you'd

5:32

like to learn more about his life. We can recommend

5:35

a couple of places to find some excellent

5:37

info. Yeah. One particularly

5:39

good one is Hitler The Terminal Biography

5:41

by d Harlan Wilson. Also

5:44

episode thirty seven of the World War

5:46

Two podcast The Beginning of

5:48

a multi episode series on Hitler by Ray Harris

5:50

jr. Um is another good one, and for

5:52

a particularly refreshing dive

5:55

of the deep variety into not just Hitler,

5:57

but the Nazi Party at large in general

6:00

and more, check out our peer podcast Stuff

6:02

You Miss in History Class, which I produce

6:05

great folks, great folks. So

6:08

I feel like we're kind of burying the lead here,

6:10

guys. It's for twenty It's

6:12

April today, which not

6:15

only is a day for celebrations of people

6:17

of infeable persuasions

6:20

naphetamine thing right, No, Uh,

6:23

it's also Hitler's birthday, and

6:26

you know, seriously, yeah, yeah's birthday.

6:29

I didn't know that. Oh, or it

6:31

would yeah, I

6:33

guess if he was still alive, he would have

6:35

celebrated his anniversary

6:38

of his birth yes, which

6:41

you know, I we we did not plan this. It

6:44

was not something that

6:46

we're going to do. We're usually record our podcasts

6:49

yesterday on Wednesday, and it is Thursday.

6:55

However, we are not talking about his life,

6:57

nor for the record or wishing him

6:59

a happy birthday. It's just weird

7:01

how the world works. Our story starts

7:03

again, as we said on

7:05

the day of his death. So

7:08

let's look at the official story.

7:11

The room where it happened. The

7:15

room where it happened. That's a joke for you, Matt,

7:17

Thanks buddy, I appreciate that

7:19

very much. Um,

7:22

it's a it's a whole musical thing. Don't don't

7:24

worry about Oh, it's the it's the it's a Hamilton's

7:26

things. I

7:28

don't, I don't. I only know the

7:31

I'm not gonna but shot.

7:34

Yes. Um,

7:37

So we're going back to the bunker. This

7:39

is where Hitler and several

7:41

of his closest associates spent uh

7:44

pretty much the last stretch of the war, especially

7:47

Hitler, who was just there ensconced.

7:50

I love that word ben in the

7:52

funeral bunker, which is and

7:54

it was an air raid shelter in Berlin. We talked about

7:56

it being resistant somewhat at least

7:59

to shelling and other large bombs. It was

8:01

called the fuer bunker. Yes, yes,

8:03

those Germans Man, they really have those like words

8:06

that are just so absurdly literal. That's

8:08

the bunker. And

8:10

I love the way that the German language,

8:13

German speakers in the audience you already

8:15

you already know this, and I hope you realize

8:18

how much non German speakers appreciate

8:20

and are mystified by this propensity

8:23

in German or practice, I should say,

8:25

to make a word by just

8:27

smashing all these other words together. You

8:29

know, it's it's startling to me,

8:32

and I stand in awe of

8:34

your nunciation. And uh,

8:36

I'm much like thirty three Thomas Street.

8:38

This bunker was meant to

8:41

contain everything you need to survive for quite

8:43

a while, especially airborne attacks,

8:46

chemical weapons. Even however,

8:49

if a an atomic bomb was dropped

8:51

on this thing, it wouldn't have fared so

8:53

well. Probably yeah, well, of course

8:55

this wasn't designed to because

8:58

what's an atom bomb, right? It isn't designed

9:00

a big giant thing that nuclear

9:03

material wipes out

9:05

populations, drops on. I

9:09

also used to do hip hop tracks

9:11

with the guy who called himself Adam Bomb,

9:13

but he spelled it yeah

9:15

a d A related to Adam amp.

9:18

You know. I never we We were mostly

9:20

colleagues. They had different last uh

9:23

So the Fewer Bunker was

9:26

part of a larger Right Chancellory

9:28

Bunker, and it was composed of two parts.

9:31

There's the Vore Bunker or Forward

9:33

Bunker, and that was completed in nineteen

9:35

thirty six. The Fewer Bunker,

9:37

the Hitler Clubhouse for lack of a

9:39

more respectful term, was completed in

9:42

nineteen forty four. It was about eight feet

9:44

lower in the ground, which which

9:47

becomes important in just a second.

9:49

We were talking about the five star stuff. So

9:51

this complex was originally only

9:53

intended to be a temporary air raid

9:56

shelter because during

9:58

a lot of his career,

10:01

Adolf Hitler didn't spend that

10:04

much time actually in Berlin. However,

10:06

is the situation in Germany worsened. By

10:09

January of nine, it

10:11

became Hitler's primary residence,

10:14

and it was not a great place

10:17

because it was below the water table,

10:19

so it's always kind of damp. If

10:21

you want to see a really, really, really well done

10:24

dramatization of this period in Hitler's

10:26

life, check out the movie Downfall.

10:29

You may know it if you haven't seen it by this

10:31

meme clip where it's this part where I

10:33

think Hitler's generals or whatever

10:36

are telling him that basically all is lost

10:38

and then nothing can be done, and he's got this map

10:40

and he just kind of like freaks out and gives

10:42

them all a really intense dressing down. And there

10:44

are just all these amazing versions where they changed the subtitles

10:47

to be about can you remember particular Yeah, one

10:49

was about backwards

10:51

compatibility on video games.

10:54

Maybe one about like Apple removing the

10:56

headphone jack or something like that. Stuff

10:58

like that. It's like they basically very lead tell

11:00

him this news and he sort of twitches for

11:02

a little bit and then just kind of just loose it and

11:04

pounds on the table. But anyway, I digress.

11:06

That's that's a great film that very much describes

11:10

visually the period that we're talking about here.

11:12

Recommended highly. Yeah, the situation

11:14

Noel described and Downfall from a visual perspective

11:17

is pretty much spot on. They had

11:19

to run pumps continuously to remove

11:21

groundwater. They had electricity

11:24

provided by a diesel generator. They

11:26

used well water for the supplies. They

11:28

did have in the beginning communications

11:31

equipment and a tele x telephone

11:33

switchboard, army radio set.

11:35

I would imagine they had to go dark though after a while,

11:37

or there was no one to communicate with. Yeah,

11:40

as conditions deteriorated. Uh,

11:42

they ended up receiving much of the war

11:44

news from British

11:47

broadcast radio BBC

11:49

broadcast and then via courier

11:51

towards the end, where someone would hear

11:53

something from the BBC and then like run

11:55

across the garden and knock

11:58

on the door. And and as

12:00

Matt mentioned, uh, people

12:02

it wasn't just Hitler in here, right, there were other people.

12:05

Yeah, there are all kinds of officials, other

12:07

staff that lived at the larger

12:09

complex itself. Aside from Hitler,

12:12

there were occupants in the bunker

12:14

like itself at one time or another. So

12:16

you're talking about Goring, Herman, Goring,

12:19

Heinrich, Hmmler, the I

12:21

don't know what you call them. Some of the main players

12:24

in the Nazi party, his like posse,

12:26

his inner circle. That's

12:28

exactly what it is, and

12:31

of course Hitler's longtime partner Eva Braun.

12:35

As you can imagine, the psychic

12:37

energy in the bunker was pretty

12:39

desperate at times, super

12:42

intense, like we were saying in downfall,

12:44

kind of showing that feeling. Um

12:47

and more and more occupants left as conditions got

12:49

worse and worse and worse. Surrounding

12:51

them as forces, Allied forces, Russian

12:54

forces, Um, they're all

12:56

kind of squeezing in towards

12:58

the bunker itself. Yeah, let's talk about

13:01

outside the bunker, because it's just as

13:03

important to our story

13:05

today as what occurred inside.

13:08

So by early Germany's

13:10

military was on the verge of complete

13:12

and total collapse. The Nazis

13:15

felt that the battle for Berlin would be the final

13:17

battle of the war in Europe.

13:20

So around thousand soldiers

13:22

of Germany's Army Group B

13:25

were surrounded and captured on the eighteenth

13:27

of April, leaving the path completely

13:29

open for American occupation

13:33

of Berlin. American forces to reach

13:35

and invade Berlin um by April

13:37

eleven, the Americans crossed the Elba

13:40

sixty two miles to the west of Berlin, and

13:42

then by the sixteenth Soviet forces to

13:44

the east, crossed the Odor and

13:47

commenced the Battle for the Sea

13:49

Low Heights, which was the last major

13:52

defensive line protecting Berlin

13:54

on that particular side. And

13:56

by the nineteenth of April, the

13:58

German forces were in full

14:01

retreat from Cielo Heights, so

14:03

this means there was no front line.

14:05

Berlin was bombarded by Soviet

14:08

artillery for the first time on

14:11

his birthday, Hitler's birthday

14:15

of April. On the one,

14:18

Hitler ordered an s S general

14:20

named Felix Steiner Uh to

14:23

take his detachment and moved to rescue

14:26

Berlin. But by

14:28

the evening of the same day, Soviet

14:30

tanks reached the outskirts of the city.

14:32

That is a strong SS name general

14:34

name, Felix Steiner just

14:36

just very imposing sounding. Yes,

14:39

absolutely so. The next day

14:41

the two Hitler learned that stein

14:43

Steiner had not obeyed his

14:46

order and for the first

14:48

time, and this this really calls back to that

14:50

moment in Downfall, he declared

14:52

that the war was lost. This is when he consulted

14:55

his doctor, Dr. Verner Hass on

14:57

the most reliable method of suicide,

14:59

and doctor told him that he should

15:02

use both a cyanide pill and

15:04

a bullet self administered in

15:06

that order, right, Yeah, And and

15:08

this is when Hitler's

15:11

paranoia really starts to ramp

15:13

up to the highest levels that has been um

15:16

because you know, I

15:18

I can only imagine that being at

15:20

that top level, you have

15:23

some thoughts about

15:25

the people around you that can border

15:27

own crazy maybe,

15:30

And he was really feeling that the people closest to him

15:32

were traitors and he didn't trust

15:34

anybody. Well, can you imagine two

15:36

going from being the head

15:39

han show that can do whatever

15:41

he wants, get whatever he wants, order whatever

15:44

he wants to be done to whomever he chooses,

15:47

two living in an underground subterranean

15:50

cube, you know, with your closest friend

15:53

of these I guess, And can

15:55

you imagine the paranoia that would set in and just

15:57

the isolation that would set in, Not to

15:59

mention in if you're geeked up out of

16:01

your mind on amphetamines, your

16:04

major generals just just

16:06

disobeyed your order outright categorically

16:08

did not do his job. So

16:11

here's the Here are a couple of examples. When

16:13

Herman Goring learned about this suicide

16:15

conversation Hitler had had with his doctor,

16:18

he sent a telegram Jadolf Hitler

16:20

and asked for permission to take over the leadership

16:22

of the Reich, and he he had. Goring

16:25

felt he had precedents because in nineteen

16:27

forty one, Hitler had named Goring

16:29

his successor. So Hitler's

16:32

secretary, a guy named Martin Borman,

16:35

convinced his boss that Goring

16:37

was planning a coup. In response,

16:40

Hitler told Goring he would be executed

16:42

unless he resigned, and then he sacked,

16:45

going from all of his offices,

16:47

ordered his arrest. And then

16:51

he learned through the BBC that Heinrich Hmmler

16:53

had offered to surrender to the Western

16:55

Allies. Can you imagine?

16:57

So all of these you know, thoughts that he's

17:00

having are in some ways coming

17:02

true right the The offer,

17:05

by the way, was declined by the Allies. Himmler

17:08

apparently had implied to the Allies

17:10

that he had the authority to negotiate a surrender,

17:13

and Hitler considered this treason.

17:15

He was beyond furious.

17:18

He ordered Himmler's arrest. Was he furious?

17:22

That was worth it? That was worth it? Uh?

17:25

He was, he was furious. Uh.

17:27

He not only ordered Himmler's arrest,

17:30

but Himmler had a representative

17:32

from the s s who was at the bunker, and

17:34

Hitler had him executed, talk

17:37

about blaming the messenger the representative.

17:40

So by the seven April, as we said,

17:42

Berlin was cut off from the rest of Germany.

17:44

On April twenty nine, Hitler

17:46

married Eva Braun, and upon

17:49

learning the fate of his ally Benito Mussolini,

17:52

whose body was desecrated after his execution,

17:55

was he dragged behind like a carriage

17:57

of some sort, Yeah, I believe. So he

18:00

requested the Sinai capsules from

18:02

his doctor, remarking that he would

18:04

not be made a spectacle. Side

18:07

note. A side

18:09

note here, just to give

18:11

a little inside

18:13

into the character of the dictator he

18:16

need. He wanted to make sure the capsule worked,

18:19

so he ordered his doctor has to use

18:21

one on his own dog, blonding

18:24

and he at least it wasn't like his daughter

18:26

or something right, but it didn't

18:28

make an apologies for Hitler. It

18:31

did work, the dog died and Hitler was

18:33

satisfied. He went to bed, which

18:35

brings us to the day

18:38

of On

18:41

April, General Wilhelm

18:44

Kitl reported that all forces

18:46

that could have rescued Berlin had either been encircled

18:49

or forced onto the defensive Soviet

18:52

forces were less than six feet

18:54

from this half star

18:56

bunker, and then the commander of the Berlin

18:59

Defense Area told Hitler that

19:01

the forces that remained would run out of immunit

19:03

ammunition that night and the fighting

19:06

would eventually come to an end less than twenty

19:08

four hours from then. So imagine

19:10

the scene. Hitler, two of his secretaries,

19:13

and his personal cook had lunch, after

19:15

which he and Eva said farewell two

19:17

members of the staff and the other occupants

19:20

at the time that included Bourman,

19:22

Joseph Garrible's his family, the secretary's

19:25

military officers. Around two thirty,

19:27

Adolph and Ava went into

19:30

Hitler's personal study.

19:32

Witnesses later reported hearing a gunshot.

19:35

About an hour later, at three thirty,

19:37

Hitler's valet, a guy named Heinz

19:40

Ling, have Bourman

19:42

and his side. They opened the door. Ling

19:44

smelt burnt almonds, which

19:46

are a common observation made in the presence

19:49

of prussic acid, which is

19:51

the liquid form of

19:53

hydrogen cyanide, and another

19:55

official entered the study and found lifeless

19:57

bodies on the sofa. Ev Braun was

20:00

to Hitler's left, slumped away from him.

20:03

People stated that Hitler sat sunken over

20:05

blood dripping out of his right temple, and

20:07

that he had shot himself with his own pistol a

20:09

walthor PPK. According

20:12

to heinz ling Eva's

20:14

body had no physical wounds

20:16

that were visible, and it looked like

20:18

from her face that she died

20:21

of cyanide poisoning. His

20:23

bodyguard, Rochus Mich, was one of

20:25

the first people to see the dictator's corpse,

20:28

and he also

20:30

ended up being one of the last two living people

20:32

left at the bunker. He fled the bunker

20:35

and May the second only hours before

20:38

the Soviet army seized it. He met

20:40

up with other soldiers. They traveled north

20:42

through the u Bon tunnels. They were

20:44

taking prisoner when the Soviets caught them. He

20:46

was brought to a prison in Moscow called

20:48

Lubyanka, where he was tortured

20:51

in an attempt to extract information regarding

20:53

what happened to Hitler. Because

20:55

you see Stalin Joseph Stalin was

20:57

extremely interested in learning more about

20:59

hit There's fate and theories about

21:02

as possible escape and because

21:04

of this, roches Mish

21:06

spent eight years and forced labor camps.

21:09

His account largely confirms

21:12

the official narrative, but

21:14

that's just one guy's account,

21:17

right and it and a lot

21:19

of people you know still

21:22

don't believe the story. But why

21:27

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where it gets crazy. Almost

21:43

immediately after the news of Hitler's death,

21:45

conspiracy theories proliferate. It.

21:47

We're talking the same month, were the

21:49

same couple of weeks. Like wildfire, they spread.

21:52

This view is overwhelmingly dismissed

21:54

in the public sphere and in academia,

21:57

but they are tantalizing little

22:00

nuggets of of information.

22:02

They continued to be strewn about

22:05

and emerged, casting doubt on the

22:07

official story. Here is one example.

22:10

Um a secret memo from FBI Director J

22:12

Edgar Hoover declared that

22:14

quote, American Army officials

22:17

in Germany have not located Hitler's

22:19

body, nor is there any reliable

22:21

source that will say definitely that

22:24

Hitler is dead. At

22:26

the Potsdam conference, US President

22:28

Harry S. Truman s Stalin of Hitler

22:30

had died, and Stalin said nope.

22:34

I'm kidding. He didn't actually say nope, but

22:36

he said no. And the thing is that

22:38

Soviet intelligence often changed their official

22:40

stance on Hitler's fate, and because

22:42

of this ambiguity. They created a large

22:45

amount of uncertainty for decades

22:47

afterwards. There are also a number

22:49

of FBI documents that came out.

22:51

You can find them at the vault dot FBI

22:53

dot gov. You may have heard of this before, um

22:56

And these documents are alleged

22:58

sightings of Hitler that happened after

23:01

his supposed death. Usually he's wearing

23:03

like a Hawaiian shirt and a little fedora

23:05

and like like like glasses with

23:07

the nose and the mustache attached. Those are

23:09

yeah, those are more recent, and he has that T

23:12

shirt that says definitely not h Yeah,

23:14

yeah, yeah, always have the arrow

23:16

pointing out. But these

23:18

documents, they range from from

23:21

you know, all the way to the

23:23

seventies and then later. But

23:25

most of them are accounts

23:27

of someone calling in or making contact

23:30

with the FBI or some other agency and saying,

23:32

I'm I know where Hitler is. He's

23:34

here in Argentina, or he's here and then Puerto

23:37

Rico or in these other places. Um

23:39

And it's just a recording of

23:41

someone saying that they have that information.

23:44

And we need to put in a brief

23:46

word about this sort of stuff. So one

23:49

problem that law enforcement across

23:51

the planet runs into repeatedly

23:54

is the idea of someone

23:57

seeing a random person and thinking that they're

23:59

definitely, you know, the Zodiac Killer, the

24:01

son of Sam tupacor

24:04

perfect example. And the

24:06

problem with that is in many cases,

24:08

not only can these not be verified,

24:11

but often not

24:13

maybe not the majority of time, but often there

24:15

are people who were just reporting it because they kind of want

24:17

attention, not to mention if you have an

24:20

actual like man hunt since you situation.

24:22

Like I recently watched the O J.

24:24

Simpson dramatization Non von

24:27

FX with Cuba Gooding Jr. And there

24:29

was a part where when o J was on the run and

24:31

the Bronco people kept calling

24:34

like saying, I saw it, definitely see o J. And

24:37

it was just clogging up the lines to the

24:39

point where like the person that actually had

24:41

information couldn't even get through because people,

24:43

like you say, either are jerks

24:45

and are just trying to like prank people, or

24:47

they just really want attention and want to be like the

24:49

guy that brought down Hitler.

24:52

Yeah, there's excitement right in

24:54

thinking that it might be. And so one

24:57

of the reasons that the FBI did keep track

24:59

of this all the they did conclude

25:02

that these accounts or these reports

25:05

cannot be verified. They had an interest

25:07

in keeping tracking this because of

25:09

the situation with Hitler's body.

25:11

Yes, okay, according

25:13

to the official story,

25:16

what happened with Hitler's the

25:19

the Hitler's body, both Ava

25:21

and Adolf, they were taken from the bunker

25:23

up to the surface, um and they

25:26

were set on fire. Yeah, cremated

25:28

right per his wishes, exactly,

25:30

And because he didn't want his body anything,

25:33

He didn't want anything to happen to his body after the

25:35

Soviets got there, and he

25:38

didn't want to get the Mussolini treatment, right,

25:41

And because

25:43

of that, because it was burned and may have even

25:45

been hit from the shelling, possibly

25:48

once or twice or

25:50

however many times. There's no way to confirm any of

25:52

that. There were other bodies that

25:55

were also cremated there. There was a whole

25:57

stack of bodies that ended up roughly

25:59

in the location where the Hitler's were, where

26:01

their remains were, and it

26:05

wasn't really known for quite a while,

26:08

in the time frame after his their

26:10

deaths and after the

26:12

remains were collected by the Soviets. So

26:16

they're all kinds of forensic issues here. And

26:19

let's let's also keep in mind that

26:22

almost immediately after

26:25

World War Two, the uneasy alliance

26:27

that existed between the

26:30

Soviet forces and

26:32

I guess more of the West, right, like

26:34

the European allies in the

26:36

US. Almost immediately this uneasy

26:39

alliance began to disintegrate. This

26:41

was much more of an enemy of my enemy

26:44

is my friend kind of situation, right,

26:47

what about a friend of me of my friend of me? And

26:49

then that would take us back to the bunker.

26:51

But yeah, fret of me is a friend of me

26:53

is a pretty accurate term for the interaction

26:56

between these people. So the Soviet

26:58

government having control

27:01

over a lot of this stuff and already

27:03

launching into a rivalry.

27:06

And this is not to put this geopolitical

27:09

cold war stuff all on the Soviets end

27:11

there. There were definitely aggressions

27:14

on both sides of this new world

27:17

order. But another,

27:20

as as Null said, a nugget of

27:22

information emerged

27:24

recently and uh, you

27:27

know, decades later and set the Internet

27:29

on fire because the Soviet

27:31

government, after multiple changes

27:34

in their their end of the official story

27:36

and ambiguities and contradictions,

27:39

allowed a

27:41

an archaeologist and bone specialist named

27:43

Nick Bellotoni to test

27:47

the fragments

27:50

of skull that the that

27:52

were kept in the Russian Federal Archives

27:54

in Moscow and purportedly were

27:57

you know, the remains of Hitler's skull that Nick

27:59

Cage was o piste when he found that out, He's

28:01

like, I thought I had Hitler skull in

28:03

my collection. I'm sure there will several

28:05

people who wrote strongly worded letters

28:08

to eBay. So

28:10

the the thing that Dr

28:13

bell Atoni found out was

28:16

that when he took samples

28:18

of the skull and gave them

28:20

DNA testing, found

28:23

that it

28:25

definitely wasn't Hitler unless

28:27

Hitler was a woman below

28:30

the age of forty. It

28:33

wasteresting. It was a different skull. I'm gonna

28:35

say it was a different skull. I'm gonna

28:37

agree with you. Well, yeah, and it goes

28:40

back to that whole idea that there were a lot

28:42

of body strewn about in that area where

28:44

they picked up you know, where the Soviets

28:47

picked up the remains for testing. Um,

28:50

you know, it was just gonna happen probably, And

28:52

and here's something interesting, Okay,

28:55

Neither former Soviet nor current

28:59

Russian officials claimed that the

29:01

skull was the main piece

29:03

of evidence proving it was Hitler, so we

29:05

have to throw some water on this one. Instead,

29:07

they would cite these jawbone fragments

29:09

and two dental bridges that were found,

29:12

and these items were shown to Hugo

29:15

Blashke, who was Hitler's dentist. That's

29:17

the thing about being a dictator, you have a

29:20

you have an entourage of people

29:22

who just did one thing for you, right, And

29:24

so Hugo

29:27

the dentist, and his dental assistant

29:30

UH, person named Kathy Hauserman

29:32

UH, and then a longtime dental technician

29:35

named Fritz Eckman all

29:37

confirmed that the dental remains,

29:39

the bridge, the bridges belonged

29:41

to Hitler and Eva Broad and

29:44

the skull fragment itself, and

29:47

it sometimes gets glossed over

29:49

in the stories about it's not Hitler's skull.

29:51

The skull fragment was found a

29:54

year later in n when

29:56

the Soviets were investigating rumors

29:59

of Hitler survi evil because for a long time

30:01

Stalin was obsessed with this, and

30:03

Stalin definitely had an obsessive personality.

30:07

So we can say that

30:09

maybe that part of the story

30:11

of Hitler surviving or faking his death,

30:14

maybe that part of the story is a little sensationalized,

30:16

but there are still clear problems

30:20

with the official narrative,

30:23

and even today

30:26

Hitler would have been And if you

30:28

want to see X rays of Adolf

30:30

Hitler's jaw and pictures

30:33

of a recreated version of the

30:35

jaw bone when they were doing testing

30:37

to figure out if this truly was Hitler's

30:40

jaw bone, UH searched the adontological

30:43

identification of Adolf Hitler. There's

30:46

an entire document here

30:48

that goes over everything and includes images

30:51

of everything we just talked about. Why

30:53

do you think Stalin had such a band his bondet about

30:55

this whole business. You think he just felt like out dictated.

30:58

That's an interesting question. And he was

31:01

definitely an obsessive man,

31:05

obsessive in terms of personality,

31:07

perhaps two the level

31:10

of a mental disorder. But then

31:12

there's also the very interesting argument

31:14

that one cannot be a dictator without

31:17

some sort of cognitive

31:19

anomaly, right

31:22

exactly. And also we

31:24

can't forget that he had access

31:27

to information that did not

31:30

exist in any way whatsoever,

31:33

not only in the public sphere in

31:35

the Soviet Union, but even in governmental

31:37

levels in the West. So

31:40

he saw a lot

31:42

of problems with the official story.

31:45

And as more and more of

31:47

this information emerged across

31:49

the gulf of time and space.

31:52

Uh, More and more people began to

31:54

question whether Adolf Hitler

31:57

actually died and began asking

32:01

what if? We're

32:04

gonna ask that question too after a little

32:06

sponsor break. So

32:17

what if? This, Ladies

32:19

and Gentlemen, is the part of the show where

32:21

we explore some of the speculation

32:23

regarding alternate narratives of Hitler

32:26

post World War Two. I'd be okay with that.

32:29

I'm fantastic. I'm glad you're on board.

32:32

So if if he did somehow

32:35

escape, where would he have gone?

32:38

Earlier in the show we mentioned Earlier

32:41

in the show, we mentioned one of Hitler's

32:43

officials who said, look, the

32:46

s is about to hit the f and I don't mean

32:48

San Francisco. We're gonna run out of

32:50

ammunition in twenty four hours.

32:53

That that official also requested

32:56

for the m time for Hitler

32:58

to green light them attempting to make a breakout,

33:01

which would mean that he and the

33:04

associates and the remaining military would

33:07

essentially go for a Hail Mary

33:09

and just try to get through the Soviet encirclement

33:12

to reconvene with whatever existing

33:15

forces they could find. Because there were tunnels

33:17

that were fairly nearby that they

33:19

could use. There were some airports that

33:22

possibly they could have accessed, right,

33:24

So that is one of the big questions.

33:27

This brings us to what

33:29

we would call ratlines and paper

33:32

clips. You see, although the Allies

33:34

reported that Hitler was indeed deceased,

33:37

privately, several factions within

33:39

that coalition doubted the official story.

33:42

Several figures in Allied intelligence

33:44

believed Hitler might have actually escaped,

33:47

and as mentioned before, the Russian leader

33:49

Joseph Stalin was certain Hitler

33:52

had actually fled, and he told this to the

33:54

Americans. So during a visit to the Hague

33:56

shortly after the war, the commander of

33:58

the Allied forces, good Old Dwight

34:01

Ike right, Ike, Yeah,

34:03

I like Ike Dwight D. Eisenhower told

34:05

reporters that there was a

34:07

quote reason to believe Hitler

34:10

was still alive. Um, the Russian

34:12

account of what happened after they had seized Hitler's

34:15

one star bunker was

34:17

confused and contradictory. And just

34:19

like bin Laden decades later,

34:22

there was no body. What's the what's

34:24

the Latin? First? Show me the body?

34:28

You have the body? What

34:30

about show me the money is there a Latin for

34:32

that. Yes, probably

34:35

habeas de niro. We

34:39

will, we will doubtlessly find out. You can write

34:41

to us directly with the Latin translation

34:44

of not only show me the money, but your other

34:46

favorite film catch phrases. So

34:49

yes, So there were rumors that were

34:51

circulating that both Hitler and Brown

34:53

at this time they're both Hitler's had

34:55

been smuggled out of Germany, and

34:58

the reported signings of the two coming

35:00

from all over the world. You know, the

35:02

FBI and the OSS, which you may

35:05

know as the predecessor to the CIA, they investigated

35:07

a lot of these rumors, and there are a lot

35:09

of places that they may have gone, according

35:12

to these rumors. One of them

35:14

is South America. Yeah, And here's

35:16

the thing. At the time, this was not an

35:18

absolutely bonkers concept,

35:21

although the public was largely unaware

35:23

of the situation. Multiple Nazi

35:25

officials escaped punishment after

35:27

the war through several different means

35:30

due to the hundreds of thousands

35:32

of German immigrants who lived in the

35:34

country. Argentina in particular,

35:36

maintains close ties with Germany and

35:39

remain neutral throughout much of World

35:41

War two. In the years after the

35:43

war, the president at the time

35:46

one prone secretly ordered diplomats

35:48

and intelligence officers to establish

35:51

escape routes so called ratlines,

35:54

through ports in Spain and Italy

35:56

to smuggle thousands of former s

35:58

S officers and Nazi Party members

36:01

out of Europe, and as many as five

36:03

thousand Nazis are thought

36:06

to have relocated to Argentina. One

36:08

of the major ideas about how

36:10

this may have happened, how the

36:13

Hitler's got out it

36:15

comes. I'm pulling this from Skeptoid,

36:18

another podcast that

36:20

covers a lot of these kinds of things, and

36:22

I would recommend you check it out if you're interested. We're

36:25

just gonna pull from here. So on May eighth, the

36:29

German Instrument of Surrender was signed.

36:31

So this is, you know, a couple of weeks

36:33

after, like a weekend, a

36:36

couple of days after Hitler allegedly

36:38

committed suicide, officially ending the war.

36:40

This, yeah, officially ends World War

36:42

two, at least in Europe. And

36:46

there were remaining German German submarines

36:48

and several other naval ships that were

36:51

out at sea at the time, and the

36:53

submarines in particular were ordered to jettison

36:56

their ammunition, to operate only

36:58

on the surface, and to surrender

37:00

or essentially to any U

37:02

n port that they could.

37:05

Now several several

37:07

of the submarines decided this maybe some

37:09

kind of diversionary tactic. Maybe the war

37:11

isn't over. Maybe this is propaganda and they're

37:13

just trying to get us to, you know, surrender.

37:16

So one boat, in particular, one submarine,

37:19

a U boat called U five thirty,

37:23

it chose to kind of be on its

37:25

own for a while, almost two

37:27

months. Where it

37:30

it took, it took a journey and if

37:32

you look at the skeptic way thing, it tells you all

37:34

about exactly where they went. And

37:37

this is the ship that allegedly

37:40

dropped off Hitler, the

37:42

Hitler's according to several stories, because

37:44

of its route, it took past

37:47

Argentina right and ultimately

37:49

it's surrendered to the Argentinian Navy. Isn't

37:51

that correct? Yes?

37:53

So the it also not

37:56

only jettisoned a lot of its equipment,

37:58

but it's logs. Yeah. So

38:01

these two missing months

38:04

are questionable as

38:06

they exist in the statements

38:09

that their mouth gave to the Argentineans.

38:12

So what's the what's

38:15

the fringe historian accounted this? Matt

38:17

The account would be that the Hitler's

38:20

escaped through tunnels, got

38:22

to an airport that then took them over

38:24

to the submarine. The submarine

38:26

then dropped them off in Argentina.

38:29

And you know that

38:32

that's like the story. And there are allegedly

38:34

a couple of people that saw them.

38:36

I saw some German officials exiting

38:38

the submarine. Um though,

38:40

you know, being able to correctly

38:43

identify which submarine it was. They're all kinds

38:45

of issues with that. And if you look at the

38:47

official story from the captain

38:50

or what, I don't know what you call them, the person

38:53

who was running the submarine, the commander, uh,

38:56

the logs their travel, his story

38:58

of the travel with those that

39:00

they jettisoned makes sense as

39:03

far as how much fuel they used, how much fuel they

39:05

had on board, and where like the route

39:07

that they took, which doesn't include dropping people

39:09

off in Argentina if you did the math right.

39:11

So unless there were some other

39:14

fuel stop that remains secret, it

39:16

would be physically impossible even

39:18

in to reduce some more economical speed for

39:21

U five thirty to make that trip. Yeah,

39:23

because of the long amount of time they were traveling extremely

39:26

slowly deep in the water. So

39:29

this idea, this ratline

39:31

stuff was not restricted to Argentina,

39:34

nor is it a

39:37

series of allegations. Let's

39:39

be clear here. The only allegation

39:42

is that Adolph Hitler was

39:45

among those who went on

39:47

these rat lines. Otherwise, it's

39:49

completely true and it's proven, and

39:51

in some cases, with the assistance of the Vatican,

39:54

various officials escaped. German

39:56

prosecutors who examined secret files

39:59

from Brazil and chill A also discovered

40:01

that as many as nine thousand Nazi officers

40:03

and collaborators from other countries escaped

40:06

from Europe to fine sanctuary

40:08

in the South American nations.

40:10

Brazil took in between fifteen hundred

40:13

and two thousand war criminals, five

40:15

hundred to a thousand settled in Chile.

40:17

Here's an interesting point, Perrone,

40:22

and I'm so proud of the three of us

40:24

for getting this far without a don't cry

40:26

for me, Argentina a vita reference.

40:29

What's that I'm not

40:31

following for this reindeer game de

40:35

one with Madonna? Is

40:37

it is? And I didn't think it was that

40:39

bad. Uh. Perrone particularly

40:42

wanted to recruit Nazis with military

40:45

and technical expertise, because let's remember,

40:47

these scientists were doing some

40:50

top notch rocketry work because we've discussed

40:52

in previous episodes. So they were like rocket

40:54

scientists, and they were literally rocket scientists

40:57

brain surgeons. I don't

40:59

know if they were brain surgeons.

41:02

But the guy who who invented the V two

41:04

rocket for you know, the Nazis also

41:06

invented the Centurn five rocket that went

41:09

to the moon, right,

41:12

remember him? Uh?

41:15

These uh the thing that prone

41:18

wanted to do. The reason he wanted these

41:20

uh, these scientists is

41:22

because he believed it could help Argentina's

41:25

progress in these fields. Much like

41:27

the United States and the Soviet Union. Despite

41:29

the public righteousness and pretends of pursuing

41:32

justice, both the US and the USS

41:34

are scrambled like mad dogs

41:37

to gain possession of as many Nazi

41:39

scientists as possible, Like roaches

41:41

fleeing the blinding light of a forty

41:44

watt bulb. Yeah, Like like

41:46

people at a comic convention desperately

41:49

clawing at each other and trampling one another

41:51

when someone threw out a copy of Action Comics

41:53

number one or

41:56

a two Leader of Mountain Dew. I've seen

41:59

that happen in person. And or you know,

42:01

like two massive empires that want

42:03

to control the world and need every technical

42:06

little bit of advantage they can get

42:09

that is much more apt Matthew. Yes, in

42:11

the US, this was known as Operation

42:13

paper Clip. And if you'd like to learn more about

42:15

it, oh, friends and neighbors,

42:18

have we got a deal for you. You can check

42:20

out all of our past video and audio

42:22

episodes on that with a simple

42:25

Internet search. However,

42:27

we would be remiss if we did not close

42:29

on one of the more let's

42:32

say, controversial theories about

42:35

the ultimate alleged escape

42:38

route of Adolph Hitler, and

42:41

that is, if we could

42:43

have a drumroll please, Antarctica.

42:52

Yes, Hitler

42:54

went to join his ancient

42:57

aryan underground brothers in

42:59

Antarctica. Uh, I mean polar

43:01

bears. That's the original area

43:04

nation. Polar bears are in the North Pole.

43:07

These would be penguins. Oh, my bad, I

43:09

get my poles confused. The

43:12

the the this ties into the

43:14

earlier longstanding theory

43:17

that in factors in something

43:19

called Operation High Jump. So

43:22

we'll talk about the less

43:24

less out there version and then will maybe

43:27

end on the really really out there version.

43:29

So the less out there version is

43:31

that the Allies and the Axis Powers

43:33

were both exploring Antarctica

43:37

as sort of an insurance policy to

43:39

make sure that they could control all

43:41

of the continents eventually, because we have to remember

43:44

they are playing a huge

43:46

live action game of risk, and so

43:50

the German side and the

43:52

Axis side wanted to create

43:54

a land called New Schwapia, and

43:57

you can actually find this on some of the maps

43:59

of the top time. The theory here

44:01

is that a U boat that

44:04

was out of pocket or was maybe black

44:07

ops the entire time, ferried

44:10

Hitler and some other officials

44:13

to Antarctica, where they

44:15

began to plan for

44:17

a third right

44:20

version, to which I guess technically would

44:22

be a fourth rich but they

44:24

did not consult Matt nolan I on

44:26

the nomenclature. This

44:30

is widely not accepted by academia,

44:33

but it goes further. There's

44:35

also a train

44:38

of thought amongst people who believe

44:40

that the Nazi

44:42

powers discovered, or were at least searching

44:45

for, as Matt said, an underground

44:48

race of ancient arians

44:51

who made their own civilization in

44:54

anywhere from a subterranean cave system

44:56

to a hollow earth penguins

44:59

just so uber penguins,

45:01

and that these uh that these

45:03

forces are responsible

45:05

for multiple UFO

45:08

sightings in the subsequent

45:10

decades. Now that's fascinating. Tell me more. I'm

45:12

sorry, I didn't mean to make light by saying they were penguins. I

45:14

was just trying to make up for not knowing where polar

45:16

bears live. I'm sorry.

45:19

No, uh no, please please

45:21

don't don't beat yourself up here.

45:23

The idea is the The idea

45:25

is that it's kind of a take off the concept

45:29

we've seen before that UFOs, often

45:31

confused with extraterrestrials, are just classified

45:33

technology that most people aren't aware of.

45:36

Right, So the idea here would

45:38

be that the Nazi Party

45:40

or the remnants of it, made it to Antarctica,

45:43

but also managed to preserve some

45:46

of the secret technology they have been researching.

45:48

So might this enter into like the sort

45:50

of trope, sort of James Bondi trope

45:52

of like secret underground

45:55

ice layers with death rays and

45:57

things like that. Oh, absolutely

46:00

absolutely. At this

46:02

point, you know, we do have to say

46:04

that it doesn't

46:07

seem from what we've encountered, it doesn't

46:09

seem likely that Antarctica

46:12

ended up being the final resting

46:15

place of Hitler. We do know

46:17

for sure that South America

46:19

ended up being the final resting place for several

46:22

members of that same political party.

46:26

However, we

46:28

do have to ask, are

46:31

all these stories Is all

46:33

this conjecture based

46:35

on the fact simply that this is one

46:37

of the most infamous people in history?

46:40

Or are the holes in the official

46:42

narrative, which you know indisputably

46:45

exists, even just in the manner of

46:47

his death in Berlin? Are these are these

46:49

holes purposeful propaganda

46:52

efforts by the Soviet intelligence?

46:54

Or is there something more to the story.

46:56

Did Adolph Hitler die by

46:59

his own hand on

47:03

April nineteen? In

47:05

my opinion, it's all about a lack of closure.

47:08

You have this ancient evil figure

47:11

that at the Allies and the Soviets are

47:13

all seeing as like

47:16

this is the guy. We win if

47:18

this guy is dead and

47:21

you you know, allegedly he's

47:23

dead, but you can't prove it, right,

47:25

you don't have a body, You don't have a thing to show

47:28

in the newspaper like here is Hitler's

47:30

dead body. The evil is defeated.

47:33

It's the same thing with Osama Bin Lawton. That's

47:35

I mean, it's why

47:37

when you have that boogeyman, the only

47:39

way to get closure is to know for certain

47:42

that he, you know it, is dead. Well,

47:44

it's a it's sort of a fascination

47:47

maybe obsession we have with that kind

47:49

of closure where you know, so many people

47:51

really depend on a funeral where there's a

47:53

body and a casket that you can say that

47:55

was my people, and now it's

47:58

he's gone, and we do a thing

48:00

and say goodbye. Honestly,

48:02

it's like the antithesis of that in a way,

48:05

but with that same lynch pen of like proof,

48:07

like we need to show everyone needs

48:09

to assemble and see this, accept

48:12

it, and then we can move on. If you don't

48:14

have that, there are many that would maybe always

48:18

look at what we're talking about, there's still a possible

48:20

jecture. You know, speculation

48:22

runs wild when you don't have that kind of proof,

48:24

and we see that all the time with the stories we can.

48:26

Let's add another aspect here, which

48:29

is a little bit disturbing

48:32

from a psychological perspective,

48:34

but I believe absolutely real

48:36

and for the more crucial to

48:38

these considerations, and it is the following.

48:42

So, the official reasoning of the

48:44

US government in the

48:46

assassination of Osama bin

48:48

Laden and the burial at sea, which

48:51

I believe is the phrasing they used,

48:53

was that they did not want a grave site

48:56

because they did not want to encourage

48:58

martyrdom, and they did not want to encourage

49:01

you know, uh attacks or

49:03

events around that. So would

49:06

the reasoning be that if there were a

49:08

a grave for

49:11

Hitler or a known place of

49:13

death, that this would become a rallying

49:16

point for people who shared those views,

49:18

or even a site of constant

49:21

uh what's the word defacements,

49:24

you know, a site of constant um

49:26

vandalism or destruction by

49:29

you know, people that hated this man and

49:31

that had real pain

49:34

and suffering cause to their families in

49:36

their life and their family and generations

49:38

for generations to continue to go back to that place

49:41

as a you know, I don't know. I'm not saying that people always

49:43

are going to resort to violence or lashing out,

49:45

but that's a pretty big one, you know

49:47

that, And and historically

49:50

people do resort to violence. No,

49:53

I know, I know, I like to think

49:55

the best of people, I guess, but I really do agree

49:58

that having a

50:00

site like that could cause problems,

50:02

could even cause clashes between

50:05

the current supporters of some

50:07

of that ideology and people whose lives

50:09

and families were torn apart by you

50:11

know what he did. Where the hell do you put it? You

50:14

know space Antarctica.

50:19

An Arctica is so isolated it's like

50:21

diet space. I'm sorry, I did it again. I said

50:23

Antarctica, Arctica, the Arctic

50:27

going well. Speaking of

50:30

thinking the best of people, we

50:32

want to thank you for checking out

50:34

the show and we want to

50:36

hear your opinions. How familiar

50:39

are you with this concept? I

50:41

think a lot of people are familiar with Hitler

50:43

escape theories due to some

50:46

of the search for Hitler shows that

50:49

are played on cable television. And

50:52

what's your take? Is this something

50:54

to ask some sand to it. If

50:57

there is something that the official narrative

51:00

has misled the public on, what

51:02

is it and why did they do it? Because

51:05

as we've seen in the course of this show, there

51:07

are multiple opportunities. Again,

51:10

I know I'm primarily hitting on Soviet intelligence

51:13

here, but there are multiple times where the story

51:16

didn't add up, but not

51:18

in a way that conclusively

51:21

proves or disproves

51:23

rather the official narrative.

51:25

So write to us, let us know your

51:27

thoughts. And while we're talking about the best part

51:30

of the show, which is you. That reminds

51:32

me it's time for shout at

51:34

corners.

51:38

That's right, it's shout out corner at the time

51:40

and every show where we shout out

51:42

to you are beloved listeners.

51:45

The first shout out today goes to

51:48

Noir Guitar Super

51:50

on Instagram. Uh nore Guitar Super

51:52

says, I'd love a shout out dooche

51:55

cool, thank you. I don't know what. I

51:57

just said that randomly one day and it's just caught

52:00

fire. I totally stole it from Bob's

52:02

Burgers too. I am such a fraud. Um

52:05

So, I'd love a shout out if possible. I

52:07

shouldn't say that I didn't really on the Bob's Burgers.

52:09

It's schedooch. I made it an sh

52:12

sounds that's not exactly stealing it. Um

52:15

It was lifted with good intentions,

52:17

it was inspired. It was inspired by

52:20

Yes. Um So, I'd

52:22

love a shout out if possible. Topic

52:25

suggestion from Noir Guitar Super.

52:27

Have you ever heard of that Mexican drug

52:29

dealer who practice black magic, did

52:32

all sorts of wacky stuff, also a serial

52:34

killer, Adolpho Constanzo.

52:36

It gets crazy from the word go

52:39

emoji. Yeah. I put emoji

52:42

in parentheses because when I read the

52:44

comment, I wasn't sure

52:46

which emoji he meant so

52:49

I just wrote emoji in parentheses.

52:51

That was my bad. Well, I'm just gonna insert

52:54

a unicorn. Fantastic

52:57

uh. And that's a that's a great topic

52:59

idea. Uh, Lar guitar super

53:01

because Adolphin Constanzo is

53:03

someone that we had looked at a little

53:06

bit in the past but never done a show

53:08

on. This is a Cuban American serial killer,

53:10

drug dealer, and cult leader of a gang

53:13

called the Narcos Satanist or

53:16

Lost Narcos Satanicos. Uh.

53:18

His cult members nicknamed him El

53:21

Padrino. What what he did was

53:24

he was participating in in the narco

53:26

trade, but he began to believe that

53:28

these magic spells that

53:31

he was practicing, many of

53:33

which he he lifted and and

53:35

sort of twisted from belief

53:38

system called Polo Maombe, were

53:40

responsible for the success of these

53:42

cartels that he worked with,

53:45

and he started killing people. He

53:47

had beef with some of the cartels

53:50

when he said, you know, you will all your success

53:52

to my dark magic and

53:54

they said, you know, hey, man, like

53:57

we like cocaine too, but being kind of

53:59

crazy. Uh. And then seven

54:01

members of this powerful cartel h

54:03

disappeared and they

54:06

turned up with body parts missing. Come

54:08

to find this guy would put body parts

54:10

in a cauldron and participate

54:12

in cannibalistic black magic. I would

54:14

love to look into this

54:16

guy further in a future episode. And

54:20

by the way, no our guitar Super. While

54:22

you're waiting. If you haven't done it yet, check out our

54:24

episode on Narco Saints and

54:27

check out our interview with Bob

54:30

Maser of the

54:33

infiltrator Um. The film

54:35

with Brian Cranston was based on this guy, Bob

54:37

Maser, who was an an undercover

54:40

operative UM and he

54:42

basically infiltrated the Narco trade

54:45

that we were talking about. And there's some really interesting

54:47

stories about Santa Ria and about encounters

54:49

with some of these types of folks.

54:52

So that's another another that's a really good call.

54:55

Thank you, super Guitar for an extremely disturbing

54:57

topic that I look forward to looking into. The

55:00

next one comes from Clayton. Clayton

55:03

says, Hello, guys. I found it amusing

55:05

that when I started playing the latest episode

55:07

of a podcast about conspiracies

55:10

and I found it begin with an ad for a store

55:12

opening near me? Do they know?

55:16

Have they found me? Are

55:18

they near? Who are they?

55:21

I just thought it was funny given

55:24

the premise of the show. Well, we think it's funny too,

55:26

and that's why we're doing it. We think it's hilarious.

55:28

We're just playing a joke on you. They're not real

55:30

ads. Don't even worry about it.

55:33

We're just they're little easter eggs that

55:35

we hope you find, Clayton, and there's

55:38

one in this too, so I hope we've noticed.

55:41

I have a little topic suggestion that I'd

55:43

like to throw in, just thinking about some of the stuff

55:45

we just talked about. Jim Jones. Have we done anything

55:47

on Jim Jones. We've

55:50

done video video, but we

55:52

should do a podcast because there's a new book that

55:54

just came out written by the Peabody

55:57

Award winning author Jeff

56:00

Gwen called Jim

56:02

Jones The Road to Jonestown. That's

56:04

not actually called Jim Jones The Road is just called the Road

56:06

to Jonestown. But he did a fabulous interview

56:08

on NPR with Terry Gross the other week, and

56:11

there's actually audio tape of

56:14

the you know, drinking the kool a the flavor,

56:16

aight, I guess it was. Yeah,

56:18

yeah, that was some pretty uh, pretty

56:21

blood curdling stuff. But there's a lot of stuff

56:23

I didn't know about him and his history, and I think it might

56:26

be worth exploring. And like the fact

56:28

that some of his early work was very humanitarian

56:31

for lack of a better term, and much more in the social

56:33

justice kind of vein, and only after

56:36

he sort of went down his own rabbit

56:38

hole and drank his own kool aid and

56:39

intelligence exactly.

56:41

That's true too, But I think I don't know i'd like to

56:43

do that. That's just that's a personal shout out to

56:46

to myself. I can't check right now if

56:48

we've done an audio podcast on it, but I'm

56:50

pretty sure we did in early early on.

56:52

We may have. We may have uh that the

56:55

relationship between intelligence communities

56:57

and religious leaders

57:00

is endlessly fascinating. I actually lost

57:02

sleep earlier this week when I

57:04

was reading back again on Mary

57:07

not Marylyn Man. It's a different guy, Charles Manson

57:09

and uh Paul Crockett, the scientologist

57:12

miner who saved Texas Watson. So

57:16

we've got one more shout out here, and

57:18

it comes to us from from Tyler

57:21

via email. Tyler says, hey, y'all, big

57:23

fans, show you help me get through many a long

57:25

drive. Had a couple of show ideas. First,

57:27

after this election, all the accusations voting

57:30

fraud, I'd love to hear about the history of

57:32

rigged elections. When was the first recorded

57:34

fixed vote? When was the last fixed vote?

57:37

Maybe some famous rigged elections. We can

57:39

definitely look at the third one, Tyler, finding

57:41

the first one's gonna be tough. Well,

57:44

some people might also say, show us an example

57:46

of a non rigged election. Also, I

57:48

think that an episode about the d s M, says

57:50

Tyler, would be fascinating. Its history is a

57:53

tool for social control. The inherent

57:55

prejudice and the influence of big farm

57:57

on diagnoses make this a topic. I think

57:59

you guys, love of thanks stay awesome.

58:01

And he sent us a follow up message. He said, just

58:04

realized that I forgot to say. I'm a mental health

58:06

professional who has worked in the field for

58:08

more than fifteen years, and I teach mental

58:10

health diagnostics at a local graduate

58:12

school. So my love hate relationship

58:15

with the d s M is not just a flash in

58:17

the pan. If you'd like to contact me,

58:19

just respond to this email. Perhaps

58:21

we could chat on the phone. Yes, I

58:24

just listened to that episode,

58:27

So thank you so much to

58:30

Tyler. Noir guitar super Clayton

58:33

and to you, Mr brown

58:35

Man, Chucks, I

58:39

think it's I think these are all fantastic

58:41

ideas I've

58:44

done. He

58:47

is self ska douche and this

58:49

concludes gosh,

58:54

but not the end of our show.

58:57

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58:59

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