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much of it was just not knowing, not knowing what he
4:02
was doing. Being like all
4:04
of these bones are together. And here are these
4:06
bones from this other place that really don't know
4:08
how much of this was him wanting to get
4:11
people to come to his museum and, you know,
4:14
make a living off of these bones. How
4:16
much of it was that and how much of it was
4:18
just not knowing, not knowing what he was doing being
4:21
like all of these bones are together. And
4:23
here are these bones from this other place
4:26
that look the same. Surely they're all one
4:28
animal. Yeah. He was like
4:30
a pro at archeological fanfic. Yeah.
4:33
Like, of course this goes here. Look
4:36
how it do. I don't
4:38
have any actual science to back it up,
4:40
but I think it matches. Yeah.
4:43
Yeah. This is
4:45
one of those stories, right? We have
4:47
talked a lot about intent on the show
4:50
and how good intent without
4:53
any kind of seeking of, of
4:56
nuance or education is
4:59
meaningless and problematic. Yeah. But I do
5:01
think there's, we've got to be able
5:04
to carve out a little space for
5:06
someone who doesn't even
5:08
know that they're maybe ignorant. And
5:10
he probably thought he was making
5:12
these really interesting, intuitive
5:14
connections that could solve problems
5:17
of like what we didn't
5:19
understand. But it
5:21
was very problematic. Well, and there, there
5:24
have been other hoaxes that
5:26
were more clearly hoaxes. Right.
5:29
That caused a problem like
5:31
the pilt down man. That
5:33
was a hoax and
5:35
that influenced research
5:40
into the origins of humanity,
5:42
sending a lot of people
5:44
like down the wrong path
5:46
for a damaging amount of
5:48
time. And I
5:50
find that, that kind of story like
5:53
very frustrating, but this is one where.
5:56
The people who did know what
5:58
they were doing were immediately like
6:00
the. You have too many vertebrae
6:02
and too many pairs of ribs.
6:07
This was not how this animal was,
6:09
like this was not something that prompted
6:11
a whole bunch of research based
6:13
on something that was fake. If
6:17
it had been, I would have found
6:19
it way less funny
6:22
than I did. But
6:25
no, it seems like the
6:27
people that had more knowledge pretty
6:29
quickly were like, no, this is
6:32
not correct, not correct at all. And
6:35
this gets into that space, right?
6:37
There are instances where
6:40
someone from outside of a field
6:43
because they are not bogged down
6:46
with the accepted laws and rules
6:48
that everyone has been taught actually
6:51
do make advances because they can
6:53
see something that like if you
6:55
have been indoctrinated with those laws
6:57
and rules, which are often very
6:59
well thought out and sensible, you
7:02
wouldn't see. But, and
7:04
I don't know if he thought he might be one of
7:06
them. There's a charitable part
7:09
of me that wants to think he
7:11
thought he was really making a jump
7:13
that established scientists just couldn't see. Yeah,
7:15
it is possible that there
7:18
is some sort of introspection
7:22
on these kinds of questions in the
7:25
diary of his that was translated into
7:27
English. I did not use that as
7:29
a source
7:31
for the episode beyond like fact
7:35
checking some specific details just
7:37
because there was so much other stuff. And in
7:39
some cases, not only have they not been translated
7:41
into English, but like there's just not a scan
7:43
of them. Right. That
7:45
maybe I could have worked with
7:48
somebody to find out more about. And it's
7:51
possible that within that material, we have more
7:53
of his inner thought process. Yeah. To
7:56
know whether he really thought he was making
7:59
a miraculous discovery. or whether he was
8:01
like, you know, if I make a
8:03
skeleton big enough, surely people
8:05
will come to my museum. It's
8:10
like the, um, the, the
8:12
memes you see about master plans
8:15
where it's like one, dig bones, two, build together
8:17
three profits. Yeah. Yeah.
8:21
It's a lot like that.
8:23
Yeah. Blessings on
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you. Uh,
8:29
I'm glad that I finally, uh, decided enough time
8:31
had passed to talk about this guy because while
8:33
I'm not, I'm not totally sure my end verdict
8:36
on him, one
8:39
of many fun things to get to read about
8:41
in terms of the things that he wrote and
8:43
things other people wrote about him. Interesting
8:48
to me today, there's basically another museum in the
8:50
spot where his museum was by the
8:52
gateway arch with a, which I think at
8:54
one point was called the museum of westward
8:56
expansion. That's not what it is anymore. It
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has been renamed. Uh,
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and I forgot to refresh my memory on
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talked about Salah this week, finally.
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I had a hard time saying
14:06
many words in this episode. Some
14:08
of them, words that were long and
14:10
had lots of letters in them, and
14:13
some of them were like about
14:15
or to or... I
14:18
think it's because, I mean, I too am
14:20
sure that I created
14:22
horrible crimes against Greek
14:24
names. But when
14:26
you're trying to work those all out, then I find, at least for me,
14:29
saying other completely normal words becomes harder
14:32
because you're fatigued. Yes. My brain had
14:34
been like, ah, it was so hard
14:36
with like nine syllables.
14:40
What's this next sentence? I
14:42
don't even know. Right. We
14:45
didn't talk a lot in specifics about
14:47
the laws that Salah passed. Like we
14:49
talked about what they related to and
14:51
how he had sorted it out. And
14:54
there are entire books written that will examine them.
14:57
But I was going to talk about a
15:00
couple of them because they're interesting to me.
15:03
In particular, I was very
15:05
fascinated by laws about
15:08
family life and marriage and
15:10
women. And in
15:12
one of the Plutarch translations,
15:14
there are some good paragraphs.
15:17
One reads, quote, Salah's laws
15:20
in general about women are
15:22
his strangest, for he permitted
15:24
anyone to kill an adulterer that found him in
15:26
the act. But if anyone
15:28
forced a free woman, a hundred drachmas
15:30
was the fine. I don't
15:33
know why he would find this strange, except that women were
15:35
not valued at this point. This
15:37
continues, if he enticed her 20, except
15:39
those that sell themselves openly, that is
15:41
harlots, which we know is, you know,
15:44
outdated, who go openly to those
15:46
that hire them. He made it
15:48
unlawful to sell a daughter or a
15:50
sister unless being yet unmarried. She
15:52
was found wanton. This obviously
15:55
reflects very outdated ideas. But
15:57
I was a little bit startled that there were a lot of women.
18:00
Yeah. Yeah. I
18:04
promised I would tell the story of
18:06
the microwave experiments. Yeah, yeah. So I have
18:08
maybe told on the show before, I know
18:10
I've told Tracy it before. Yeah. When
18:13
my husband and I got married, we
18:17
found ourselves with three microwaves, which is more
18:19
than any two people need. I
18:22
had one that came from my apartment. He had
18:25
one that he had been using in his apartment.
18:27
And he had a third one because
18:30
he inherited some stuff from
18:34
aunts and uncles that had passed. He had a lot of a
18:37
lot of aunts on
18:39
his father's side that were much older than his dad. So
18:41
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18:43
we met. And it had
18:46
just been sitting around. And once we were like, we have
18:48
three of these things. We do not need three of these
18:50
things. I gave one
18:53
away to a woman that I knew
18:55
through work who was starting her own
18:57
new life and apartment and
19:02
was young and needed stuff. So that was great. We
19:04
got rid of one. And one of them, the one
19:06
that we were gonna keep was
19:08
in good working condition. And then the third one was
19:11
like, fine, but not great.
19:13
Like we would have felt weird giving it away
19:15
to someone because it wasn't in great condition. And
19:17
so of course us being 25 and 27 at
19:19
the time, our
19:21
solution was let's blow
19:23
stuff up in it. Yeah. It's
19:26
a sort of scientific thing. We were like
19:28
curious, cause we like everyone else have been
19:30
told, don't put certain things in the microwave.
19:32
And we were like, but what if, we
19:34
put on like protective
19:37
goggles and stuff and we put those weird things
19:39
in the microwave to see what would happen. And
19:42
like we put in a CD,
19:44
which was pretty thrilling cause
19:46
that spun in the microwave and shot
19:48
off sparks. We put
19:50
whole uncracked eggs in there and they exploded
19:52
and that was pretty fun. And
19:55
we did put in little small metal things
19:57
and they sparked a lot. Hey,
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power and potential of AI. My
26:01
brother and sister-in-law gave us
26:03
for Christmas a
26:05
bowl that is made to cook
26:08
things in in the microwave and
26:10
the lid has metal on it,
26:12
but like the way it is shaped, like it's,
26:17
I haven't actually used it in the microwave. We've
26:19
used it for a lot of other purposes, but
26:21
not for its intended purpose yet, theoretically
26:24
fine. So yeah, I'm
26:26
sort of imagining folks
26:28
that have listened to our
26:30
episode from Wednesday and not today may
26:33
have already written well actually emails about
26:36
all the nuances of metal in the microwave.
26:38
And man, it's just easier to not put
26:41
the metal in there. That is exactly it.
26:43
And I would assume that's why if you look
26:46
up that Alton
26:48
Brown do your own bagged popcorn
26:51
recipe on any site, they have amended
26:53
it to exclude the staple part. Well,
26:56
and I can imagine if the staple
26:58
does happen to throw sparks off in
27:00
the microwave that has a paper bag
27:02
in it, that could lead to some
27:05
dramatic results. Listen,
27:07
odds may be that it wouldn't do that, but the
27:09
one time it does that is one
27:11
time too many in my book. Don't
27:15
take needless risk for snacks. I just don't need
27:17
to do it. If you want to
27:19
take that risk, it's on you. I'm just saying. Yeah.
27:23
I usually lately I've been doing
27:25
my popcorn in a
27:28
saucepan. And
27:30
I have been trying the method. We're revisiting how we
27:32
make popcorn again, but look, this is a big focus
27:34
in my life right now. Lately I
27:36
have been doing the thing where you
27:39
let the oil couple of kernels in there,
27:41
they pop, put your other stuff and
27:43
then like that it doesn't go back on the
27:45
heat after that. Not for 45
27:47
seconds to a minute. And then it goes back on. Okay.
27:49
I see. I see. You
27:52
were correct, but then it went back on after
27:54
a period of time. I was missing a step.
27:57
Yeah. Because I probably didn't include it. We'll
30:00
see. Yeah. But now I've
30:02
checked that one off. There's also just a
30:05
particular, unless, I mean, unless your field is,
30:07
you know, the ancient Mediterranean,
30:11
there's a particular challenge that's common
30:13
in a lot of those episodes
30:15
in terms of doing the research.
30:18
And that can become fatiguing after
30:20
a while. It is a bit
30:22
arduous, yes. And
30:24
also a lot of the things that are
30:26
really interesting that have been written about it
30:30
are old enough that
30:32
you can't really get them in print now. And
30:36
also kind of obscure enough
30:38
that they're not necessarily digitized, even though
30:40
they would be in public domain. And
30:43
like some of the ones that are digitized, you
30:45
still have to buy access to because they're, you
30:48
know, part of some library selection.
30:50
Sure, sure. So that
30:52
can also be like a little thing.
30:55
And we're working exclusively
30:57
from translations of
31:00
things that were written often
31:03
many years after those people lived. So
31:06
like we would have to do that big caveat we did
31:08
at the beginning of this one on every one of them.
31:10
Every time. Well, you know, we're talking
31:13
about it, but like none of this
31:15
is really substantiated. Right. Which
31:20
can be fun to discuss if you know those guardrails,
31:22
but also if we did that all the time, it
31:24
would get a little frustrating. Yeah. Yeah.
31:27
Oh, I hope that this
31:29
weekend, no one asks
31:32
you to lead any kind of military
31:34
effort to retake an island and no
31:36
one asks you to completely reorganize a
31:38
city. That sounds so stressful to me.
31:41
I hope you have a stress free weekend. If this is
31:44
a time when you actually have to work and you don't
31:46
have the sort of standardized days
31:48
off that a lot of people do, I
31:50
still hope you have a great time that
31:52
nobody overburdens you with responsibility and that everyone
31:54
is cool to you. Everybody be nice to
31:57
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