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1:42

Welcome to. Stuff you missed in history

1:44

class a production of I Heart Radio.

1:52

Happy Friday! I'm Tracey. Be wealth

1:54

in and I'm Holly Fry. We talked.

1:57

About tires one with weak

1:59

person. Number the you who

2:01

was on my episode list of

2:03

topics the do two different time.

2:08

I think that all but the public as

2:10

I don't I don't think there are any

2:12

more duplicate lingering on the. The. Short

2:14

list for me, but I've wanted to do an

2:16

episode about him for a while and I'm very.

2:18

Glad that we finally have.

2:22

I love his art work. Of

2:24

course. Ah, I

2:27

I I noted a couple of

2:29

things talk about didn't behind the

2:31

scenes that we didn't really get

2:33

into. Sorry ah. What? Is

2:35

man. The does the Animators

2:37

Strike. Yeah. Had

2:39

you read about it months before this? I, I,

2:41

I know kind of the basics of it. So

2:44

Ah Holly, you are classified as

2:46

management at her job. I am

2:49

not management and I am on

2:51

the. Bargaining Committee for our

2:53

Union right? And so I

2:55

have been through the process

2:57

of organizing a workplace. And.

3:00

Boy am I glad that we

3:02

did not have the kind of.

3:05

Bitter. Bitter divisions that

3:07

went on and this process.

3:10

Yeah, it's bad. Very bad.

3:12

Yeah ha. I like

3:15

the We for sir had some people who were

3:17

like i don't really think a union is right

3:19

for me. Or I don't think a union as

3:21

right for our workplace. but like we did

3:23

not have the kind of real schism. That

3:26

that was going on in Disney

3:29

Animation. Ah, sound awful.

3:33

I don't know if you had anything to add

3:35

to that since I know you are very verse

3:38

than all the history of Disney and all of.

3:40

That. Well, it's it's. one of

3:42

those things. It's really interesting to

3:44

me because even now when people

3:47

talk. About it. it's very

3:49

divisive than. And. Really, it's kind

3:51

of all boils down. To for

3:53

better or worse, this sort

3:55

of cult of personality around

3:57

Walt Disney Eisner? Yeah, and.

3:59

The him. being a visionary,

4:01

which I fully believe he

4:03

was. But it's like that thing where

4:07

it was so divisive then,

4:10

and now when people talk about it,

4:12

there are folks who just naturally will

4:14

buck against that idea of

4:16

the cult of personality and they'll be like, he

4:18

was a union-busting monster and other

4:21

people who are like, no,

4:23

he just was like trying to get his stuff done

4:25

in a, and admittedly,

4:28

right, this was not a

4:31

well-established industry at that point. Like there

4:33

were unions and there were animators, but

4:35

like it was still

4:37

a little Wild Westy in terms of how

4:39

things were run. I mean, super Wild Westy.

4:41

If you look at like similarly stuff that

4:43

was going on at like Turmite Terrace for

4:46

Warner Brothers stuff, they're not

4:48

quite the same kind of thing, but there were

4:50

just like, in terms of like the way

4:52

people worked, the hours they worked,

4:55

the way management function, similarly

4:57

not really stuff that would fly today. And

5:02

so it is kind of interesting to me

5:04

to watch people really like, I mean, if

5:06

you wanna just watch a

5:09

fight happen online, say anything

5:11

about Walt Disney, because there

5:14

are people who want to believe that he

5:17

was secretly awful

5:19

and there are people that believe he was a

5:21

saint. And

5:24

I mean, I believe that he was a human. Yeah,

5:28

who had many fine qualities and I

5:30

think was probably a genuinely good person,

5:33

but that doesn't mean you always make the right decision, particularly

5:36

in a business like that. So it's

5:38

an interesting one. And it does break

5:41

my heart to think about, I

5:43

mean, listen, if you're like me and

5:45

you love animation, this feels like,

5:48

and I don't wanna say

5:50

anything that will make people think I

5:52

don't take real

5:55

huge events seriously, but in terms

5:57

of the animation bio,

6:00

this was a civil war. Oh, yeah. Like

6:02

a total, I mean, it was like too

6:04

animation what the civil war was to the

6:06

United States without trying to like, obviously there

6:09

was not bloodshed and the same kind of

6:11

thing. But in terms of just the renting

6:13

of people, like

6:16

people who were lifelong friends hated

6:19

it. Not anymore. Right at the end of it. Yeah,

6:21

it was wild. Yeah, I feel like there might

6:23

be people who were like, Tracy, you just said

6:25

you're on the bargaining committee of your union. How

6:27

come you love this person who didn't walk out with

6:29

his union? And I'm like, well, okay.

6:32

One of the things you have to recognize when

6:34

you're organizing is that sometimes there are people who

6:37

have other stuff that has to

6:39

take a priority. Like for example, being

6:42

in the United States at a time when

6:44

it was illegal to have immigrated into the

6:46

United States, not being a citizen and

6:49

having kind of talked your way into a

6:51

position that was like not where the

6:53

company really thought you should be. Like there

6:56

was a lot of, there's nuance is what

6:58

I'm saying. Right, with a wife and

7:00

child. With a wife and child. Like

7:02

take care of. Yeah. So like I

7:05

can see being in the position of,

7:08

I could walk out with my coworkers

7:11

and then I might be deported and

7:13

then what happens, right? Speaking

7:17

of being deported, there

7:20

is so much writing about the immigration

7:22

station at Angel Island. It

7:24

was a horrible place. I

7:26

think on the show we've talked before about poetry

7:29

that has been etched on the wall by the people that

7:31

were detained there, some of which is very beautiful. A

7:34

thing that kept coming up when I was

7:36

working on this episode was that

7:39

sometimes Angel Island is

7:42

nicknamed the Ellis Island of the West. And

7:45

a lot of the articles that sort

7:47

of say known as the Ellis Island

7:49

of the West. And then they're like,

7:51

except Ellis Island was supposed to be

7:54

welcoming to immigrants. And I'm like, Ellis

7:58

Island was welcoming to. some

8:00

immigrants, it

8:03

was never welcoming to

8:05

everybody. And like, there

8:08

was a big place for eugenics at

8:10

Ellis Island. There was a big

8:12

place for ableism at Ellis Island. So

8:15

like, it's just not really accurate to be

8:17

like, but at Ellis Island, everyone was

8:19

welcomed. It's

8:22

a magical fairy land where you got

8:24

handed flowers and champagne, you got off

8:26

the boat. That's part of the miss

8:28

making of America, this idea that like,

8:30

you're welcomed by the Statue of Liberty,

8:32

and then you're gonna, you know, have

8:35

this wonderful Ellis Island experience. You

8:38

know, not if you were disabled. And

8:40

as time passed, not if you were from

8:42

a range of specific countries. Anyway,

8:47

greeting cards, Christmas cards, so pretty,

8:49

moving on, they're beautiful. I love

8:51

them. I think today, a

8:54

lot of people think of greeting cards

8:57

as a whole, as kind of like

8:59

a kitschy, mass

9:01

produced. They

9:03

don't assign a lot of value to

9:07

greeting cards. And I get it, I

9:09

have for sure been standing at the greeting

9:11

card, I'll trying to

9:13

find literally any greeting card that

9:15

feels okay to give to a

9:17

person for a particular thing. But

9:21

at the same time, like, a lot

9:24

of people are doing hard work on

9:26

making these. Yeah. And at the time

9:28

that Tyrese Wong started doing them, there were also

9:30

a lot of other, like serious

9:33

artists who were doing greeting card work.

9:35

Like there were Salvador Dali Christmas cards,

9:38

Andy Warhol cards. Yeah. So

9:41

I think like there's

9:43

layers, there's the layer of, you know, a

9:47

lot of their people putting time and

9:49

care into making these and trying to

9:51

make them beautiful and, you know, bring

9:53

some joy and comfort into people's lives.

9:55

Right. And also the, you know,

10:00

what we think of as

10:02

like fine art, having

10:04

an overlap. I actually have by

10:06

coincidence written an upcoming episode that is going to

10:08

have a little bit more about like distinctions

10:12

between fine art and

10:14

like commercial art. Yeah.

10:17

Yeah. Yeah. Here's

10:19

what I love about his greeting cards the most. Okay.

10:22

It's so silly. Okay. It

10:24

supports my very strong personal feeling that pink

10:26

is a Christmas color. Thank you. Yeah.

10:30

Yeah. There are some really beautiful,

10:32

Tyreth long Christmas cards that heavily

10:34

feature pink. His

10:36

daughter, Kim reissues some of these

10:38

cards and some other items related to him on Etsy.

10:41

So you can look for them on Etsy. You just got to

10:43

make sure that you are actually in that

10:47

store because there are also

10:49

other people on Etsy who put out

10:52

copies or unlicensed things. Yeah.

10:55

So, yeah. I

10:59

was having a difficult week when

11:02

I was working on them and

11:05

I watched the documentary, Tyreth, and

11:09

at the end of the documentary, there's a focus on

11:11

the kite making and he takes a trip out to

11:13

the beach to fly the

11:15

kites. And boy, was I weeping at my desk

11:17

about this. Yeah. There

11:23

was also a film made that was just about

11:25

the kites and there is

11:27

a chunk of it on YouTube. And I am

11:29

sorry, I forgot to look up the name of

11:32

it before, but I

11:34

bet if you put Tyreth long

11:37

kites into the YouTube search, you'll find

11:39

it. I'm going to find it. I

11:42

do want to also just

11:45

comment briefly and make a plug

11:48

for the Walt Disney family museum. Okay. I've

11:50

never been there. Have you? Oh,

11:52

so many times I'm in love with that museum.

11:55

Unsurprising. It's

11:57

interesting because it's in San Francisco. It's at

11:59

the Presidio. If

12:01

you really want to, there's a

12:03

lodge next to it that was part of

12:05

the Presidio Building, it's now a hotel that's

12:07

lovely. And you can go and they have

12:10

food trucks come out because there are a couple of other

12:12

interesting places. And the Presidio is, of

12:14

course, part of a park and it's got a

12:16

lot of interesting things. But that museum is spectacular.

12:18

It's not associated with the Disney Company. It's literally

12:20

like the family that took this museum together. And

12:24

they do, one, it's a beautiful

12:26

space, but two, they curate some

12:28

of the most beautiful exhibits. We

12:31

were there a few years back when they

12:33

did their Ivan Earl exhibit, who was the person that did

12:35

a lot of the backgrounds on Sleeping

12:37

Beauty. And that was so

12:41

striking and lovely. And just like if

12:43

you're into movie history, and if

12:46

you're into Disney, obviously, there's a ton of

12:48

stuff that's about Walt's life more than it's

12:50

about the movies and the

12:52

parks. Although there are things from the movies and

12:54

the parks there and toys. It's

12:58

a great museum and the staff there is

13:00

incredible. When we did

13:02

Drawn a million years ago, it feels

13:04

like we worked with them on

13:06

some of it to

13:08

talk about just how animation developed over

13:11

time. And they were just absolutely wonderful

13:13

to work with. So highly recommend if

13:15

you're in San Francisco and want to

13:17

have several hours of wonder. Yeah. Love

13:20

that place. Just the

13:23

mention of Sleeping Beauty. There were

13:25

a couple people that compared Tyrus

13:27

Wong's influence on Bambi to the

13:29

total end

13:31

to end. You can draw

13:34

a line pretty easily. Yeah. Yeah.

13:37

Yeah. Ivan Earl was obviously very

13:39

influenced by some of this work. I

13:43

think last time we were there, they were doing an

13:45

exhibit on cats and dogs and

13:47

animation. Oh, I love it. Oh, it's the best

13:49

museum. I love it. Love it.

13:51

Love it. So good. Oh,

13:54

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13:56

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17:40

feelings about this. So

17:42

when I searched with the

17:45

words landscape architect, Google

17:48

search results did take

17:51

me to Lancelot Capability

17:53

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17:56

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17:58

I understand, because he liked to tell me. People that

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them. I bet that a more

18:18

modern perm. Then when they

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the they are doing in it and has been applied

18:24

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there are other third alternative. They all have

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their pros and cons and pretty much everybody

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seems to be throw in their hat into

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the. Unnecessary implementation of a

19:15

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19:17

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20:07

Works just great. I

20:10

don't have all the details on it of

20:12

how it works but you can look at

20:14

it and it's wonderful. Yeah. Let's talk

20:16

about dandelions. Let's talk about dandelions. And I

20:18

didn't I don't have it written I don't

20:20

have it written in my notes and I

20:22

don't want to forget to talk about dandelions.

20:25

I have so many feelings about dandelions. Okay.

20:28

One you know like what's a

20:30

weed and what's a flower has

20:33

made up. Yep. Yep.

20:36

That being said I will confess that sometimes

20:38

I do try to

20:40

get rid of dandelions in my lawn

20:42

because they are pervasive but what I

20:45

have done in recent years to

20:47

try to help myself make peace is

20:50

cook them. Oh yeah yeah

20:53

yeah yeah and I haven't

20:55

done it yet but I cannot wait

20:57

and I need to gather some next

20:59

time we have some pop up with

21:01

flowers. I want to make some dandelion

21:03

syrup for cocktails. Yeah yeah. Sounds grand.

21:05

I have no problem with dandelions. Um

21:09

yeah. I don't try

21:11

to destroy it. So uh

21:14

our house came with some

21:16

landscaping already done. Yeah same.

21:19

Um and uh there

21:22

are places where like

21:24

one will show up and

21:26

it's just like it's not a great

21:28

place for it but in the backyard

21:30

that's just I'm gonna say grass it's

21:33

mostly not grass out there at this

21:35

point but like I'm not gonna do

21:37

anything about dandelions in the backyard. They're

21:39

gonna be there they're gonna be yellow

21:41

and then they're gonna be fluffy and

21:43

I love them it's fine. Yes. Uh

21:46

also my whole backyard at this point

21:48

is increasingly know there are folks that

21:50

feel like the dandelions are

21:52

invasive in some way. Most

21:55

of where dandelions spread is

21:58

grass lawn and Grass

22:00

lawns have their whole own

22:03

other issue. So I

22:08

don't mind dandelions at all. This

22:12

episode kind of inspired me to want

22:14

to garden more. I

22:18

have a couple of things.

22:21

One is that there is some work that needs

22:23

to be done around our house and that work

22:25

should get done before spending a lot of investment

22:28

on gardening stuff, on

22:30

plant life that could then be destroyed in

22:32

the work. That's thing number

22:34

one. Thing number two is I don't have

22:36

a good track record of actually being able

22:38

to maintain attempts to garden. So

22:40

we will see. Yeah, I'm a little hit or miss. You

22:43

know, I've talked about on the show before, we

22:45

inherited a lot of roses with this house, which

22:48

I love. And I have put some

22:50

more in since then. And I

22:52

am not a great, I don't have the touch.

22:56

I have the evil. I have, I

22:58

give them some sort of scrofula. I don't know

23:00

what happens, but

23:02

the roses are cool. They're like, that's fine.

23:05

They're fine with it. We don't need you,

23:07

whatever. We'll survive despite

23:09

you touching us. But

23:12

lately I have a lot of

23:14

weeds in my rose bed, which I wouldn't

23:16

mind. Like we have a bull thistle that I'm

23:19

fascinated by because I'd never seen one in

23:21

person that big before. But

23:24

I don't want them to take over the roses. So I feel

23:26

like I gotta pull them out. That's

23:28

the thing. I feel bad when plants

23:31

die. Do you have that? Yeah.

23:33

Like I have a million seedlings

23:36

right now because I had a moment where I

23:38

was like, I'm gonna grow dill and

23:40

peppers and squash and pumpkins and all the

23:42

things, all the things, a million seedlings. And

23:46

like when I transplant them and they don't

23:48

all make it, I feel like I

23:50

literally take it way too hard to

23:53

heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where I'm like,

23:55

one of the pumpkin vines died. It's

23:58

like, okay. Okay. like it's

24:00

it's okay. Right. But I

24:03

can't convince my inner child of

24:05

that, I guess. What's going on? The

24:10

first time that I ever had a house of my own

24:12

with a yard of some sort. I

24:16

was so excited. And I got

24:19

all of these plants. And I

24:21

had a little container garden that was

24:24

like a poured concrete patio in the

24:26

back. And I put a whole container

24:28

garden out there. And some

24:30

other container type

24:33

stuff in the front yard and all this

24:35

stuff. And then immediately after having done all that,

24:37

I stepped into

24:39

a hole and broke. Oh,

24:41

yeah, and I had to be non

24:44

weight bearing for something like seven weeks. And

24:47

I we've discussed asking

24:49

for help it's problem that I have that

24:51

I don't do. So

24:54

all of my plants did not this head was

24:56

in the summertime too. So all of my plants did

24:58

not make it through the Georgia summer. And I

25:01

feel like I've never totally recovered. Yeah,

25:04

yeah. Yeah,

25:07

that's tricky. It's that thing, right? I don't I

25:09

know I have this and I have been examining it

25:12

a lot recently because I had a little a

25:14

little surgery that I was not expecting that has

25:16

made me need to have help

25:18

with stuff. I'm fine. But

25:20

like that not asking for help thing.

25:23

I literally was trying to unpack it

25:25

with my husband. Because even

25:27

with him, I'm like, I

25:29

don't want you to be so gung

25:31

ho in the beginning of this recovery

25:33

that you eventually become resentful that you

25:35

have to do so much stuff. And then you

25:37

secretly hate me. And that's how I think it

25:40

will work with everyone. Yeah. Why

25:43

are we like this? That's a great question.

25:47

During my broken leg recovery. I remember

25:50

friends came over, they had brought me something. And

25:54

one of them was like, is

25:56

there anything else you need me to do? And

25:58

I was like, absolutely not. And he

26:00

was like, Tracy, I'm not leaving. And so you tell

26:02

me what you need help with. And

26:05

I was like, can

26:07

you please deal with

26:10

my CRISPR? Uh,

26:12

because being on crutches meant that I

26:14

wasn't able to cook really. Uh,

26:17

but I didn't, like, I had this

26:19

one rolling office chair that I was

26:21

trying to cook from and

26:23

it like, just, it wasn't working. And so

26:27

ingredients I had bought had just like

26:29

rotted in the fridge. Oh, gotcha. Um,

26:31

and so my friend took care of all

26:33

that and then was like, don't let

26:36

this get like this again. Just,

26:40

just call me. Uh, so

26:42

yes, I, I understand. Uh, it's weird.

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30:22

delightful about the Gertrude Jekyll. There

30:24

are so many! There's a bunch. There's a bunch that didn't

30:26

make it into the episode. I'm going to tell you them.

30:29

Now, we mentioned her fondness

30:31

for cats. Yeah. During

30:34

her travels when she was younger, she would

30:36

play a little game she invented with her

30:38

traveling companions. They would have a contest for

30:41

who could count the most cats on their

30:43

side of the walk. Oh,

30:46

perfect. But whoever was the first person to

30:48

spot a cat in the window won. That

30:51

was like instant winning with

30:54

spotting a cat in the window. I

30:56

love it. Next thing,

30:59

Linda Sparncastle, there

31:03

are cliffs like below one of the

31:06

walls. I

31:08

have not looked at pictures of this to like describe

31:11

it adequately, but she reportedly

31:13

seeded the flowers for these

31:15

cliffs by firing the

31:17

seed out of a shotgun. I love it. I

31:20

love it. Last

31:22

thing is not actually about her. Her

31:25

brother Walter was friends with

31:27

Robert Louis Stevenson, and so

31:29

it is believed that the

31:31

Jekyll family is the namesake

31:33

of what we usually say in

31:35

America or in the United

31:37

States as Dr. Jekyll, in the story

31:40

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Apparently,

31:43

this pronunciation of Jekyll really

31:46

comes from like when this was

31:48

made into either radio plays or movies

31:50

or, you know, some over

31:53

on the US side of things, saying

31:56

this name, making Jekyll a more common.

32:00

pronunciation, at least here in the

32:02

US for this name. I

32:08

liked her a lot. This was another episode

32:10

that I was working on. I've had some

32:12

things going on. Nobody needs to be worried

32:14

about me. It's just been a lot to

32:18

stuff to handle. Yeah. Life is

32:20

life in. Life is, there's

32:22

just been extra life in of life lately.

32:25

And so I just,

32:28

I was very comforted reading about all

32:31

of her gardens. I love the

32:33

look of like the English cottage garden. They

32:35

make me happy. If my

32:37

own, you know, but like

32:39

our yard is not very big at all, but

32:42

it's like our little front yard look like that.

32:44

That'd make me super happy. But

32:46

I, as we said, other stuff needs to

32:48

have it first. We

32:51

should not do a whole bunch of work on

32:54

the front little patch of dirt when

32:57

the front porch needs

33:00

attention from an it's gonna

33:03

fall apart standpoint. Yeah.

33:05

Kind of thing. So

33:08

yeah, I

33:11

became quite fond of her. Apparently

33:13

she could be stubborn

33:16

and prickly and I love that too. I

33:20

loved to pull back the curtain a

33:22

bit before we read about her smaller

33:24

house that she had built. Yeah. You

33:27

made a comment to me about, yeah, coming up

33:29

as a small house, it was ridiculous for one

33:31

person. And I was like, this seems perfectly reasonable

33:33

to me, but that's because I'm a stuffaholic.

33:36

And I think you're, yeah, I'm

33:38

like, one of these bedrooms could be for my life-size

33:40

e-walk that I just got. Like I, you know,

33:42

that's Mr. Herman needs his own

33:44

room. Yeah. We, we

33:47

have a house that is a hundred percent

33:49

more than adequate for two grown adult human

33:51

beings that live in it. Simultaneously,

33:56

there are times when I

33:58

wish we had an act guest

34:01

room that a guest can

34:03

stay with us and have privacy.

34:05

Right. We have places people

34:07

can sleep if

34:09

they stay at our house, but

34:12

not a place with a door that they

34:15

could close. Oh yeah, we have a

34:17

guest room, although it is also, I joke that

34:21

people have to sign the NDA to not

34:23

disclose how many shoes I have in that

34:25

room. I'm looking at

34:28

the wall of shoes behind you. This

34:30

is the closet to that room. Holly

34:32

records in a shoe closet listener. I

34:34

do. Well it's shoes of suits, but

34:37

I have a lot of shoes and I love them.

34:39

I'm gonna say I thought about

34:41

you when reading Gertrude Jekyll's Not

34:45

Liking New Boots. Me

34:48

too. I was like, girl, what's

34:51

wrong? No, I could understand

34:53

though if you have a pair that you

34:55

love for a utility purpose like that. Not

34:58

wanting to break in new ones. I get that. Yeah.

35:01

Like it's not like... Yeah.

35:05

Most of my shoes are not... I have one pair

35:07

of shoes that I mow the lawn in, for example.

35:10

So I understand. Yes. But I

35:12

will replace that pair of shoes when they get ready.

35:16

This was also a different era

35:19

of quality and durability

35:22

of not

35:24

across the board, but in many cases. Like if

35:26

you look at the picture of these boots, you

35:29

can tell that they are made of like very

35:32

durable, very well

35:34

crafted parts

35:39

and also parts that can be repaired. Which

35:41

I would say like my

35:44

trail runners that I hike in, if

35:48

they fall apart... No, not to be repaired. We're getting new

35:50

ones. It's not really something

35:52

you can just... A cobbler can re-solve for

35:54

you in the same way. Right.

35:57

Yeah. discovered

36:00

recently that like cobbler shops

36:02

don't all do the stuff I

36:04

want them to do anymore. Oh,

36:07

like I went to one because I bought these

36:09

boots that I really, really love

36:11

online. And I love them.

36:13

And I love the way they feel on my feet, but I

36:15

have hammy calves and they're a little tight in the calf. Like

36:18

I can't zip them up all the way. And

36:20

I asked them about doing an elastic insert,

36:22

like adding a gore to it. And

36:25

he was like, there's, I only know one shop

36:27

in town that does that. And it's going to be

36:29

really expensive. And I looked up the shop that

36:31

he referred me to. And it's like the shop that

36:33

people take their Louboutins to. And I'm like, Oh, wow.

36:35

No, no, no, this isn't for me. So we'll

36:37

see if I decide to take

36:40

up, you know, shoe

36:43

gore insertion myself because it might

36:45

happen. Yeah. Yeah. And I have

36:47

gumption. Yeah. Anyway,

36:49

how we got to cobblers. I did

36:51

the whole process. I wonder about her other shoes

36:53

though. Cause surely she wasn't wearing only those

36:56

shoes. So these were definitely her

36:58

gardening. But yeah, they were for all the time.

37:00

I don't think she wore them all the time

37:02

now, but I disagree with her

37:04

fundamentally about not wanting new clothes.

37:07

I will also say she is one of the

37:09

many people in history that I feel like there are

37:11

a number of people who

37:14

are in some way neuro divergent. Yeah.

37:17

Who see themselves in her. And

37:20

I think that's great. And I'm

37:22

also not going to try to

37:24

armchair. Right. I see where people land there

37:26

for sure. Yeah. I love her

37:28

though. I

37:31

am sure being, you know, somebody

37:34

who lived in the 19th

37:37

and early 20th century, that if

37:39

I went digging through the vast majority of her

37:41

writing, I would find various things that I'd be

37:43

like, Oh, wish you had not said that. But

37:47

I, you know, I love,

37:49

I love the gardens and I love

37:52

that she made this whole career for

37:54

herself when she wasn't really supposed to

37:56

have it at all. I

38:00

also can't help but think of our other

38:02

episode we did on a

38:04

gardener, which is Andre Le Notre, who

38:08

designed the gardens of Versailles and many other

38:10

beautiful places in France, for example. And

38:13

obviously, he's on the much more formal end

38:15

of things. But in terms of personality, the

38:17

descriptions are so different. Like hers is

38:19

so much of like, I love nature and I

38:21

love flowers and I like to learn about the flowers.

38:24

And he sounded like kind of a tyrant

38:26

and I'm like, what would happen if you

38:28

switched their two specialties where he was doing

38:31

more like, little-er

38:33

manor gardens compared to palaces and

38:35

she was doing like grand huge

38:37

palace work. Right. I think

38:39

that would be fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

38:43

if you have a garden to work in over

38:45

the weekend, I hope you enjoy your garden time.

38:48

And if gardening feels like a chore to you and

38:50

you want to put that chore off, hey, you have

38:52

my full sport. We'll

38:55

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38:58

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