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to Stuff You Missed in History
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Class, a production of iHeartRadio. Hello
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and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly
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Fry. And I'm Tracy B. Wilson. Okay,
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so true confession on this one. This
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episode is inspired by one of my
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cats. Yeah, but... But... Simultaneously
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fascinating and a lot older than
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I thought. Yes, it's
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not about kitties or animals really at all,
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although they are mentioned in terms of medical
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testing, nothing particularly gruesome, but just FYI
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if that's troublesome for you. It
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is in fact about science because
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my cat Ozil was hyperthyroid. And
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so we opted to
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have radioiodine therapy treatment
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for him. And as my vet
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was describing this to me and she's like, oh, it's
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just like how they do it in humans, blah, blah,
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blah. And I was like, I have never thought about
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this before. Where did this all begin? So
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it just got me wondering about the origins
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of this treatment because it is
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a very successful treatment and
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it's one of those things that both
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humans and animals seem to respond well
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to, which just was fascinating to
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me because as you know, I love a little bit
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of science. So that is what we were talking about
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today, the advent of
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radioiodine therapy. So first, we're
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gonna talk just a little bit about your
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thyroid and how it works. Your thyroid is
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a small organ that sits below your... larynx.
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And in the most basic terms, its
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job is to convert the iodine and
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the food you eat into hormones that
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regulate your metabolism. Thyroid cells are the
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only ones in the human body that take
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in iodine, but all of the other cells
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in the body are affected by the work
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that the thyroid does. So
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the hormone known as thyroxine,
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abbreviated as T4, and the
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hormone triiodothyronine, known also as
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T3, are vital to normal
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metabolic function. But
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the thyroid which makes those, again, out
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of iodine, isn't out there just functioning
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solo. It is regulated by the pituitary
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gland, which is in turn regulated by
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the hypothalamus. If your
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thyroid isn't producing enough hormone,
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that's called hypothyroidism. And
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it doesn't present really obvious symptoms at
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the beginning a lot of the time,
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but it can lead to other problems,
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including obesity and heart disease. Normally,
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hypothyroidism is treated with synthetic
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hormones to get the level
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of thyroid function back up to normal.
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And if your thyroid is producing too
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much hormone, like my cats, that
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is known as hypothyroidism. And
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in this case, it sort of overclocks the
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body's metabolic function. So in this
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case, unintentional weight loss and rapid heart
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rate and even irregular heartbeat are all
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symptoms, which obviously can lead to some
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pretty serious problems if they're left unchecked.
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The advances in thyroid treatment that we're
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going to talk about today took place
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less than a hundred years ago, but
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thyroid disease has been part of recorded
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history, going all the way back to
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2700 BCE, when
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seaweed was prescribed in China
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to treat goiter. The goiter
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is a swelling of the thyroid that's
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most commonly caused by low iodine. But
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the thyroid itself wasn't even recognized and
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illustrated until Leonardo da Vinci drew it
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in 1500. The
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name thyroid didn't exist until
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1656 when Thomas
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Wharton named it using a word for
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shield because of the resemblance
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in shapes to an- colleague
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at Cornell. And he wrote of the patient
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who was a woman who had been quite
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ill and for whom surgery would have been
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a highly dangerous prospect. He wrote
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that she had a good outcome with
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the I-131 treatment. So this treatment developed
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through Hertz's work was indeed one
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spreading to other clinics and being used
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by other doctors and was saving people
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from very high-risk surgeries. But
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Hertz had the unfortunate timing of developing
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this breakthrough treatment at the same time
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that World War II was brewing. Sal
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Hertz put aside his medical research temporarily
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in 1943 and joined the Navy to
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fight against Hitler's Nazi regime. But before
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he shipped out, Hertz, who did not
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want work in this new field to
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be hampered by his absence, met with
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a private practice doctor who worked part-time
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at MGH, and that was
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Dr. Earl M. Chapman. Chapman
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had continued to make time for medical
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research even while running his own practice,
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and he was ineligible for military service.
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So Hertz asked him if he would
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keep working with Hertz's roster of thyroid
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patients. And Chapman, probably flattered,
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agreed and continued the work that Hertz
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had begun. But when Sal Hertz returned
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from the war, there were problems between
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the two men. Chapman didn't want
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to give up the project and give it
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back to its originator after his two years
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of involvement. And of course, Hertz wanted his
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research project back, but he wasn't given his
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old position at MGH. Instead,
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he took a position at the Beth
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Israel Hospital. Yeah, there are many stories
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that are told among their colleagues about
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the fights that broke out over this
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issue. And then those
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two former colleagues eventually found themselves
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just each running their own trials.
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And then they both wrote papers about
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them. And Chapman actually finished his paper
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first and submitted it to the Journal
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of the American Medical Association for review
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and publication. This kicked off some drama.
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and the rivalry between the two of
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them and how that was stirred
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