0:01

At the time, there's a war going on. It

0:03

just started. They're making everybody

0:05

pick aside yes, me and or brother

0:08

card in the middle between two.

0:11

At that time, we're the biggest drug

0:13

card tells in the world, the

0:16

most powerful, the most dead. At least,

0:18

card tells. It's not somebody

0:21

telling you like you're in a game. It's the boss telling you, Hey,

0:24

if I find out that you're

0:26

receiving it one kid from

0:30

you're gonna have to answer. Then

0:33

not only that, he's they're going to say, and all your

0:35

little friends that you had that we know you have. I

0:38

want some ticket cruds. Some of these people

0:40

are my friends. Some of the people I'm like, I'm

0:42

closer and you

0:45

have that. On top of me cooperating

0:49

the pressure of that or were going on, we're

0:51

still selling drugs. Mean,

0:54

we're still playing cops and robbers every day. The

0:56

government had a hard time understand. If I tell

0:59

them don't sell the more drugs

1:01

to me, they're gonna think these duds picked to the other

1:03

side. It's a ward. They

1:06

don't play fair. If we sent our

1:08

wives away, we sent our family away, and then they come

1:10

into like, well where is the feminine? Something

1:12

wrong? We

1:15

put them in that situation. At

1:17

the same time, it's like both

1:19

our wives are pregnant while we've

1:22

been cooperating. The

1:25

face with the strangest expect the strangest

1:27

things to happen is right here are

1:29

children a month apart. Who

1:33

does that? Who puts their family their kids? Ever we

1:36

meet the mistake of them knowing that we're

1:38

family man, knowing that we're always with our wives. You

1:41

guys imagined like that, what am I doing carrying

1:44

that with you? That what you're doing your

1:46

betraying everyone, you

1:49

everything, everything that you ever know

1:51

and everything that you work for, everything, all the people around

1:53

you, your whole life. We're keeping stuff

1:56

from my own family, our wives,

1:58

us for we're the only people

2:01

that knew what we were doing. We

2:03

don't try anyone because Christia trustworthy.

2:05

Second, because if we told those people we like, we

2:08

were scared that they were going to try to change your mind because

2:11

it didn't benefit anyone. But

2:29

I've got this for the st Jackson and I'm Charlie

2:31

Webster. And then this is surviving no chapel.

2:34

It's once you brought down the drug woman, getting

2:47

out of the cartel and changing your life

2:49

is not as simple as just walking away.

2:53

Every path had the potential to take away

2:55

the twins life one way or another.

2:58

Agent family have a way of bringing

3:01

your priorities into perspective. Breaking

3:04

the cycle of their family history, stopping

3:06

themselves from repeating what their father did to them

3:09

was going to be a monumental task.

3:12

It all goes back to film because

3:14

that bond that keeps you going, you

3:17

want to be better for the people you love. It

3:19

feard a better life for them, no matter what it

3:21

takes. Ultimately,

3:24

that was what pushed the brothers to do what they had to

3:26

do. Going

3:30

to meet the FED, We're

3:32

in a hotel and of course

3:34

we discuss what I was interested

3:36

in getting the best

3:38

deal possible, and they were looking

3:40

at me like I was crazy. I do remember

3:43

like my brother call him, I want

3:45

to know details, and I remember

3:47

him saying, Bro, they don't

3:49

know what the fuck they're doing. They're

3:51

loves and just loves.

3:54

I don't know if this is a good idea. That

3:57

didn't make us froger. We

4:02

were in another country with

4:05

no protection whatsoever, and

4:07

it was just a very scary feeling,

4:09

I think for all of us because

4:12

we didn't realize that the

4:14

US didn't have any jurisdiction in Mexico

4:17

and that they would basically be on their own

4:20

and they would

4:23

basically have to do everything as

4:26

if the US wasn't involved. And I

4:28

think that's what was more of the scary part.

4:32

Knowing how innovative that

4:35

the Seno Cartel was was very

4:38

frightening, just because

4:40

you know, they had people that they would hire,

4:42

like I t people that would drive

4:45

around and they would pick up phone

4:47

conversations from the airwaves to

4:50

make sure that nobody was telling cooperation

4:56

is like that equals

4:58

death. You're in great thanks and there's

5:00

no guarantee, and I just

5:03

was, I think scared for our lives.

5:08

It was like so surreal. I knew there

5:10

was no turning back, and that to

5:12

me was scary in itself. When

5:19

Jay and Peter were meeting with

5:22

agents, but that

5:24

didn't sit well with me because

5:26

I felt like somebody

5:29

was going to find out and

5:34

we're kind of going back and forth, kind of just sharing

5:36

information. I

5:38

remember we met when am I said, listen, couple

5:42

and my call. You want me to go see them?

5:44

You guys want to come. One of them had

5:46

all tattoo, looked like a biker and

5:49

at that time there's like Canadians there, so

5:52

like, man, you look like they don't even

5:54

think you're agent. You could

5:56

come with me. I'm gonna say that you're my you're

5:59

my Canadian customer. And

6:02

they're like absolutely not, that would

6:04

never happen. I

6:07

guess they didn't trust me, like I was not ever

6:10

going to try to put on your harm's way. I

6:13

mean I was getting that bold. I guess getting

6:15

frustrated. So we'll

6:18

meet with them and just give

6:20

information. We had give him a couple of loads

6:22

and just talked to him about the business.

6:25

It was just stressful,

6:29

really really stressful, and

6:34

it was very very stressful. I remember

6:37

like at the time when I'm talking to agents

6:39

and we were like a little deeper into our cooperation

6:42

and they're like I'm gonna give your number to this agent

6:45

and I do not give my number to no one.

6:47

I don't want to know one to know him

6:50

doing this. And sadly, like

6:52

there was a cooperator who didn't make it. We

6:55

come to find out that there was a

6:57

Columbian man that was cooperating

6:59

with the and

7:02

they had found out about it

7:04

against shop against our against

7:07

Yeah, they had a lot of people on the payer of a lot

7:09

of higher ups in the government

7:12

and had a lot

7:14

of higher rooms the government

7:18

and the Mexican Mexican government

7:21

had these individuals are working together on special

7:23

teams with with the U. S. Government.

7:27

Their feedum information there in turn

7:29

feeding information to the

7:31

cartel. And this is at the very

7:34

top. Sure

7:37

at that time we're

7:39

working on the deal and cocaine

7:43

it's a little bit hard to get.

7:45

And then he's on the run. They

7:47

have one bad on the run at the time our trans

7:50

they're kicking out every door everywhere

7:52

he stays. They're like, I don't know, you know, like

7:56

they're hat on his tail. And

7:59

I remember the cause and say, look, I got five

8:01

tons coming. Who

8:04

called you? And the people like,

8:06

I got five tons? You tell

8:08

me how much you want to buy all these And

8:11

we're like, well, let me see how much money we can get together.

8:14

So we end up purchasing like a thousand forty

8:17

kiddos. I

8:19

record those cars and

8:23

the load got through and

8:25

I purchased a thousand kil loads of that. Well,

8:27

I turned that over to the FEDS and

8:30

we are not supposed to purchase it from Beltrand.

8:32

Now I'm playing both sides at this. I

8:34

have to Yeah, I took

8:36

that risk because in order to for me, not

8:39

only to complete my cooperation,

8:42

I had to keep myself alive. It

8:46

was I said, oh my god,

8:48

it's just a nightmare. There's a

8:50

nightmare. I'll be thinking like I'm the FEDS

8:53

travel my r thurs done. Like

8:56

you're trying to just satisfy everyone

8:59

and risking at all every day. I

9:05

can't even tell you in words what it was like.

9:08

At the same time, I have my baby coming. He

9:12

was a zombie for sure.

9:17

I couldn't eat, really wasn't

9:19

present, trying to juggle

9:22

so many things. And at the same

9:24

time my brother brought the idea.

9:28

He brought the idea to the table. Then he would

9:30

disappear on me. I'd

9:33

be so piste off at him, man, like, bro,

9:36

like you gotta help me. What

9:41

do you mean you did? Like I

9:44

hate to see it like that. That's when I feel like I was saying

9:46

that he didn't

9:48

like the idea of like recording the people.

9:54

Once that hit home, it was like, it

9:57

wasn't the part you wanted to

9:59

entertain. It's

10:03

just so ugly of a time. I

10:06

worked so hard, man, just to to

10:09

do everything I could help

10:12

the government order, you know, and turn to help

10:15

ourselves in the future. I

10:17

used to feel sometimes the government didn't do I

10:20

couldn't have job to put the case together,

10:22

you know, if we're out there on our

10:24

own, no help,

10:26

like no guaranteed. There

10:31

was like no Remember the twelve I

10:34

remember it being a nice, chilly

10:37

November day in Mexico. We

10:41

had all the people with us. I

10:45

don't remember. I've been expecting

10:47

to call from the chapel form like a day or

10:49

two, and I had his phone in my pocket.

10:53

I remember it was a white phone and

10:56

I had the recording out of the pocket. At

11:00

that time. I was carrying the recorder around. We're

11:04

going to eat and wearing a cowboy with the trucks

11:07

me the like followers are going up

11:09

take and the

11:12

Mexican government sending up the police present

11:15

and an a normal day. You

11:17

know, you're send to look out. Tell you how

11:19

it looks on this day. It was just like Sunday

11:21

or something. We're gonna go, you

11:24

know, we're gonna have a dimeing

11:26

meal and

11:29

we're passing up like we're

11:31

getting to like a popular place and Gualahara,

11:34

you know, they call that that glory to me, and

11:39

I see that day that they have a

11:41

military checkpoint, like a whole cop checkpoint

11:43

with the minitary and I'm

11:45

with the Cowboy and I had to record

11:48

in my pocket, and I'm like like,

11:51

that's all I need for them to pull me over and

11:53

I have to record in my pocket. Don't

11:57

just stop anywhere and put a checkpoint

12:00

and they'll just stop pulling cars over. I

12:03

remember they see me and they're like they start telling

12:05

to pull over, and

12:09

I kind of like pulled to the side. I'm like, I'm

12:12

panic. I'm like a little panning moll. I

12:14

kind of pulled aside, but there's like a

12:16

a long line of the cars that already have pulled

12:18

over. I kind of pulled off to the side

12:20

and I just I just took off and

12:27

they didn't come. Thank you

12:29

God. I was like, thank you God, they didn't come. If

12:31

it have found the record, is what do you think about it? Have happened

12:34

three cords of the work for the cartel? They

12:38

either one they worked like I tell

12:40

the other they actually really good

12:42

cops and they're turning me in, like why do you have recorded? You

12:45

know? I had to keep in the car, like it was just oh

12:48

my little moments where just one

12:50

after another. Not

12:55

too long after that, I make another

12:57

recording. I

12:59

turned in a load of heroin the

13:02

Government's allowed me to pay for

13:05

these loads with our own cats.

13:08

I give the government the money and the

13:10

process of money and then turn

13:12

it into the cartel, and

13:15

they're documented. They're gonna document all

13:17

this, so my workers don't

13:19

know that I'm cooperative. So

13:22

I tell them. I'm on the phone to Age and

13:24

saying, look, we're gonna handle all the money

13:26

at this place at

13:28

this time. And then

13:30

you're like, okay, let me see if I get my team there. Okay,

13:34

we got a team there. So they're just document

13:36

that they're seeing this exchange of money.

13:42

Would scare me is that when I would send my career

13:45

that he never noticed that the federal there. And

13:50

that made me feel like how vulnerable this

13:53

operation can be. He

13:56

doesn't realize that the father watch him. I know

13:58

they're watching them.

14:00

You know. They turned over the money to the car

14:03

tells carrier turning the money. Seven

14:08

minutes later, my phone rings. It's

14:14

Chapel Miles like Compoli, like their head

14:16

of security. He's

14:18

like, listen, there's something fucking funny,

14:21

man. You guys rats the

14:25

guys calling me seeing that. You know there's a car following

14:28

that. The cops are following it, They're on him.

14:32

I was like, like, what the fund are you talking

14:34

about? And I'm calling

14:36

my working on the radio and

14:39

I'm letting him here. I'm like, hey, did

14:41

you see a car? Did you give

14:43

the money money? And he's like, give him money

14:45

left? Did you see anyone following? Yeah?

14:48

I seen him on the street. I went my way. He one head

14:50

that makes anyone following you. I

14:54

know that they're following him.

14:57

I'm like, I don't know why you're saying there, like there's something funny

14:59

here, man, I said, let me call you back. I'll

15:05

never forget that. Then, sure enough,

15:08

I think on this drop off, the DA has a

15:10

helicopter, has a couple of cards. They're following the

15:12

car back with the money. You

15:15

usually ever recorded that a call like that, and I

15:17

couldn't because he caught me off guard. And I

15:20

picked up the phone and

15:22

was like, hey, listen, motherfucker,

15:26

they're fucking follow my guy. Now,

15:28

you're fucking snitch or what the fuck swallowed?

15:35

I was like, we're fucking talking

15:37

to you like that. You

15:40

asked me to do you the favorite now I'm the snitch.

15:46

I said that I'm gonna talk to my dad about this, like oh

15:48

no, no, no, no, just let

15:51

me just see man, maybe it's not you get

15:55

off the phone love, Like whoa ship.

15:57

I'm passed by

16:00

that time, Like our relationship with the agents already

16:02

have kind of like like kind of you

16:05

know, you're talking to something, we'll talk about

16:07

life, like you

16:10

know we're talking about the case or you know, with different

16:12

agents. Hey, you remember this time and how

16:14

do you guys do this like or

16:16

whatever cases? And I remember calling back and

16:18

said what the I'm

16:21

like literally probably even got emotional, like

16:23

my family is here like a bucket, putting my

16:25

life in danger over twenty fucking

16:27

kids. Whatever the funk? I was just like fun funck

16:30

who knows, just

16:33

screaming call it off, call

16:35

it off, call it off. And I'm like

16:38

shock, like what's happening? Like listening

16:40

mostly like begging them in the like

16:42

worst way. What

16:45

did they say? Myself? Like

16:47

hold on them like

16:49

gays, let me see them and find out. I

16:52

did feel a betrayed by then, like there's

16:54

no reason why you're

16:57

gonna have to put my life and you don't

16:59

have to do it. Need damn things

17:01

like I'm right here, I'm helping you guys. And

17:06

then I remember calling it chap On's head of security

17:08

back and the look, I don't know what to tell

17:10

you. My guy is good. I'm gonna

17:13

tell him to keep take a couple of spins and

17:15

see what happens, you

17:17

know. And then he was like, look,

17:20

man, there's something funny. All

17:22

right. You're like, I'm gonna tell you something,

17:24

right not that money ain't gonna be coming

17:27

until it gets in my hats, so

17:29

you're responsible for it. And

17:33

then I remember a couple of days later, I just follow

17:36

up, but I'm like, hey, so did you get the money? Everything

17:38

good? He's like, yeah, everything

17:40

was good, man, but like weird,

17:42

like and

17:46

ten moments were driving me crazy? How

17:50

could you sleep good at night? How did

17:52

you you couldn't? I

17:56

think I lost. I had lost Peter

17:58

already when he started his cooperation.

18:04

Was there ever a time joining that seven

18:07

or eight months that you thought

18:09

they'd sist you the carteler's

18:12

sist you, sis? It

18:14

was nerve wracking. Once I was cooperative.

18:19

I remember this one time like it was in

18:21

October September. October they

18:24

said they wanted both of us to go, and he

18:26

would call them like at the time, they'll be like senanay,

18:30

so they want to see you, and

18:32

I understand there was a chapel my, we're asking

18:34

to see us. I was like,

18:37

we both can't go, you know, explain to

18:39

the lieutenant and

18:42

he let me

18:44

call you back. Okay,

18:47

why don't you guys to come, But you gotta tell me one

18:50

thing. You're gonna be here and

18:52

you better be here. I was

18:54

like, let me check some flights and

18:57

I'm talking to my brothers like broh man, I

18:59

don't know. I don't know what

19:01

to do that they

19:03

can't say anyone to see us. And

19:05

I was like, look, let

19:08

me ask them for some cocaine. If

19:13

they give it to us, then

19:15

we're good. If

19:18

they say no, then

19:22

sounds the draw. But

19:29

you do not think then they could be tricking

19:31

you. Yeah, but they

19:33

don't want to trick you and give you some kids.

19:38

So if they gave you coke, it was a

19:40

way to know that they hadn't figured

19:43

you out. Yeah, because then now the wouldn't blame Now,

19:45

come see me and then we'll talk. They would have been like, Okay,

19:47

we'll be there probably and

19:50

be like we gotta go. You know, I

19:55

remember asking them for the cokae. I'm like, I asked

19:57

them for like a larger mind, like hey,

20:00

let me see what I have. And he tells me like,

20:03

yeah, we have three engine

20:05

eating What if I give me the rest of a couple of days. I

20:07

was like, okay, great, when can I pick him up?

20:10

Well, you can pick him up tomorrow, you on today,

20:13

And I felt okay. I felt

20:15

that tends like we'll see what he says and then you

20:17

know at that time, you know I'm talking that he's

20:19

texting me some stuff and I'm like a brother,

20:21

then you could go. But

20:25

it was still nervous, like sending my brother, you

20:27

know, J went. He

20:33

was there and everybody was there during that meeting.

20:37

There was a lot of main cretoil.

20:39

You know. My brother was snapping pictures.

20:42

I can't believe, like, bro, like

20:45

why would you do that? Why would you risk it?

20:48

I think it's not coming. They will let you keep your phone.

20:52

So that was like a major like normal, like why would

20:54

you do that? Sometimes

20:58

I would record stuff on my phone, take

21:01

like pictures. I

21:04

remember one time I took so many good pictures

21:07

that something happened where I got nervous,

21:10

and I started to raising the pictures like I don't

21:12

want to be like, why are you taking pictures? My

21:16

wife is right here. I think we talked about it

21:19

and sometimes should be like how did

21:21

you do that? This

21:24

one time where they had a table

21:26

and they have all kinds of stuff on top of the table, bades

21:29

and stuff, and I said,

21:32

we're like, I'll come some nervous here. I'm

21:34

like, I'm most definite meat. I'm gonna use your

21:36

phone. I gotta call you chicken, you

21:39

know, had chicken with my wife. Didn't laugh about that,

21:43

and I grabbed the phone, satellite phones

21:46

and now now I

21:50

would buy a brand new phones so I could actually

21:53

I'll buy a brand new phone that I had with me, you know,

21:56

to be able to talk to Peter to like that.

21:59

So I moved by branch Pools just for those

22:01

visits. I

22:05

have their phone number. You

22:07

know, I have no service on my phone, so

22:10

I had lass phone. I

22:13

call the number on the satellite phone. Ever,

22:16

ring I'll hang up was not working. I'll go the

22:18

next phone, hang

22:22

up. I try to get all

22:24

the phones there. I wouldn't

22:26

be like if I see you don't have the foes that I don't

22:28

know if not going through them to see your phone. Now

22:32

I have all their phone numbers. That

22:34

was nerve wracking because

22:38

he's there using every

22:40

phone they

22:42

I always did it though, so it wasn't like

22:44

something you're not scared they'd

22:46

be suspicious. I always did it, and

22:50

I was calling my wife's phone. It's like I was calling

22:52

the agent. But I was just registering

22:54

all the numbers so

22:56

I could give it to the government. M

23:00

h. People

23:15

will travel my art through. But I don't care who you are. They're

23:17

just regular men, selfish

23:19

people. They're not you

23:22

know, they're not gods. They're

23:24

now. They're regularly corrupt as people.

23:26

They want to care about themselves. They

23:28

will bend and break every rule and

23:31

betray you and kill you and not

23:34

care about you. Honest.

23:37

It was funny. They would do anything

23:40

to say their old family, cooperate,

23:43

sell out their main best friend, to

23:45

say their own family, and then they

23:47

want to kill you because you do the same for years. You

23:52

cann't eat, I cann't sleep. So

23:55

many things to think about and

23:59

I live with every month every

24:02

day to try that like that called

24:05

my only Escapables, just a couple of moments

24:07

of my wife that could get and then bring

24:10

me reminded of what I'm gonna do. It was

24:14

just so dreadful

24:18

to just wake up, so

24:20

scary to go to sleep, and

24:24

then you know the people

24:26

who depending on I was going to turn my back

24:29

on them. Everything we work so hard

24:31

to build. Now

24:34

you're building a big old prison

24:36

around yourself and then you have to knock it down so hard

24:39

to loan to another prison. I

24:45

wasn't patting sorry for myself. I was

24:47

just mad at myself, like this is what I did. At

24:50

the same time, I felt like some kind of like Okay,

24:53

what I could do. I did. I had to tell my

24:56

family out to everything I

24:58

could do to put myself inca wish.

25:00

I did it every

25:02

day I could have done. For the government, I went above

25:04

and beyond. There's nothing more that I could at

25:07

that point. I

25:09

gave them millions of dollars. I turn the

25:11

people turn, enjoying and turning everything.

25:13

I did everything in my power. I went above

25:16

and beyond help build this case.

25:18

From practically along my brother and

25:20

I were alone.

25:23

It took word to me we were

25:25

to sacrifice, and took kind's

25:27

bless instance just be here to take. I

25:32

just still think it was the right decisions. Be

25:35

honest. Now you talked

25:37

to me on Monday, I tell you yes to

25:40

them, I tak You know, nine

25:42

months of recording deals with the lieutenants

25:44

of the cartel certainly help the FEDS

25:46

put together their case. But there was

25:49

one major piece of evidence. They needed

25:51

a call with Chapeau himself.

25:54

It's something that until now have

25:57

been impossible for anybody to get.

26:07

I remember I missed the first call. I missed

26:09

the call and call me. I remember I was standing there, like

26:11

not even my brother standing there. I

26:15

dropped my bag and I ran back to the house.

26:19

The girls are there and the senior

26:22

I'm turning out, like bollow me up stair because

26:25

it was like the people in the house of the time, you

26:27

know, just running away, like just trying to get away

26:29

to get a quiet space. I

26:34

was so nervous, and not of course to

26:36

me to recording, but of what was

26:38

to come, What did

26:40

this mean for my life? Like it was an ugly

26:42

feeling, you know, like

26:45

getting the recorder out and the only thing the

26:47

fence that giving me like earpiece

26:50

with a microphone, and you know when

26:53

you put the phone to your ear you can hear and

26:55

then they can record. I

26:58

remember putting it to my and like the

27:00

secretary answered, I'm like, oh, it's the twin

27:07

gid.

27:12

Where were you in the house Lusters?

27:15

I remember, and we were in the first stroom

27:18

and I remember lacking the doors,

27:20

like right there in your face. Yeah, And

27:22

I'm like, I don't

27:24

even know what to say. I remember him saying, amigo, like

27:26

hearing his voice again, Yeah,

27:45

I don't want, I don't want. The

27:51

call with Chapo was the one chance

27:53

that Twins had to prove that they were telling

27:55

the truth to the U. S. Government. It

27:57

was the only ticket out there. I've

28:00

depended on this one core. Without

28:03

the recording, the vital piece of

28:05

evidence the FEDS needed, they wouldn't

28:07

have been able to make a deal. All

28:09

they had to do was get chapout to

28:11

confess without raising any

28:14

suspicion at all from the world's

28:16

most notorious and violent drug

28:18

boss, the man who personally admitted

28:20

to executing at least two

28:23

thousand people himself. Easy,

28:26

right, I

28:29

felt, Okay, I did. I

28:33

had to get over that and just used

28:36

this lie about king

28:39

a cheaper number and that and the heroine

28:44

the phone calls, what else

28:46

telling them of the truth that I mean him had herald

28:48

working relationship that he knew that might office was

28:50

in Chicago and there that he had sat

28:53

drugs for me and cons and drugs

28:55

for me to my brother and there they

29:00

was like you know, we're

29:02

working together to move

29:04

these drugs and SLOM.

29:08

I understood that that time that to

29:11

make the conversation good is that we

29:14

we talked about future shipments and pass ones.

29:18

That was like a big moment, you know. I remember thinking

29:20

like this is like my way,

29:23

my ticket home. One day,

29:29

I remember getting another phone and just playing

29:33

back the conversation, like over the anticipation,

29:35

I hope I got it, like

29:38

nervous, did we get it? Imagined we did it?

29:42

Man, you had a call to Apple back there. Could we do this again?

29:49

This is the thing called go through your mind, like playing

29:52

the conversation again and thinking like I can't lose

29:54

this, this recording

29:57

on our other phone and remember like

29:59

here you could reread corded, you know, like copied

30:01

on your phone too, like they around off my other

30:03

phone, and

30:06

then thinking like we're not gonna give it

30:08

to the sets until we make a deal. It

30:17

was those little troubles, a little struggles that you

30:20

you're facing all

30:22

those perils of cooperating, right. People

30:25

really don't know, like imagine every

30:27

day it was like this for all

30:29

those months and having our family and being

30:32

stressful, and again it's something

30:34

that that we had to we

30:37

had to do. We put ourselves in that position. I will

30:39

say, I think for all those years that we sold

30:41

drugs, those months of cooperating, in my

30:43

head, I was like, we're even, you

30:47

know, we're even. Like

30:50

I didn't risk myself this much, you

30:52

know. When I was like suddenly the drugs, remember

30:56

the put our life at Verst doing all this. I

31:06

remember like talking to the fans

31:09

and I was like I got it, Like

31:11

what I got to call my own chapol

31:14

and like get the funk out of like for real,

31:18

like you wanna hear it. It

31:22

was like late and they're like, probably

31:25

don't funk around me, Like you really got it?

31:28

I got it. Then remember

31:31

just them calling me, calling me our

31:34

planet's ha gonna work. They wanted to that fucking

31:37

round it bring it

31:40

because meet us where we had been meeting before.

31:42

In the subdivision. It's like a big as oak

31:44

trip. Like the street lights.

31:46

It was just like a dark spot

31:48

in this subdivision. That wasn't comfortable

31:51

with meeting it because other

31:54

people lived there. But you

31:56

know my colonly complains so

31:58

much. Go part behind,

32:00

you know this land cruiser and bullet problem and cruiser

32:03

with diplomatic plates. I'm jumping in

32:05

the carp how we're up and you know, you

32:07

know they just shoot me, just kill me?

32:09

That would you want me to just die? Just tell me like

32:13

in cartel world, you

32:15

know, literally

32:19

behind enemy lines, like just doing

32:21

that and they're nervous. Thing of looking

32:23

around that nervous

32:26

back around my palms, canna swear like

32:29

things like cold like sweat, you know, on

32:31

your foreheads, like mad, I just see that. I'm angry

32:34

that you keep putting in this situations. I

32:38

remember going and taking the record and be like

32:41

I don't know this this you

32:43

better be there that they you better be there

32:45

and my sentence and tell them what I did to

32:47

get this. Oh, no

32:50

problem, man, We're all gonna be like and

32:53

you just hand it over and then

32:56

what's remember them? Like, what's

32:58

next? Are they gonna indicated?

33:01

Make sure it's it's his voice.

33:04

But it had been pretty fast. Literally

33:07

we're like with midnight one

33:10

in the morning when it comes to back, we

33:14

got a match. It's it

33:20

was late in the night. I

33:22

remember they called. They

33:24

confirmed that it was authentic recording.

33:28

I could hear scream, cham,

33:32

I can celebrated celebration. I

33:36

was still taken back. I

33:40

remember the prositat that would tell me, I

33:43

promise you I'll be doing cart wheels in summer

33:45

sults and your sentence

33:47

no something that I'll be like, I'll do cart wheels and

33:49

backflips. My

33:54

brother I had the only legal

33:59

recording the chopol was

34:01

mom

34:03

they ever had h

34:26

we didn't have a plan. Two

34:29

weeks after the top of recording. Now

34:31

we're gonna call it to Sunday.

34:34

Our attorney wants about to us. It's early, right

34:37

ten, And then in the morning. You remember he

34:42

said, you know, the US attorney wants

34:44

to talk to you. He

34:46

said he wants you guys to train yourselves

34:48

in today.

34:54

I won't even be looking to it like wow,

34:59

real hit us? Huh

35:02

what? Just like that?

35:04

After around nine months of recording

35:07

and cooperating with the US government, it

35:09

was time, the twins were given

35:12

two hours to meet back under the big oak

35:14

tree in the middle of the subdivision and

35:16

finally hand themselves over the

35:19

rest of their family had been in the dark for months,

35:22

but as soon as the cartel found out about what

35:24

Pete and Jay were up to, they would

35:26

come for their family. So they had

35:28

to drop the bombshell of what was about to happen.

35:31

And it started with the man who brought them

35:33

into this life in the first place, their

35:36

father. I

35:39

think it was a higher thing I had to do

35:41

was to place my father. You

35:48

could be a killer, you could be whatever.

35:51

You're not going to be a thief, and you're

35:53

not going to be a queer. And

35:55

the most important one, you're

35:58

never gonna be a snitch. M I

36:04

had to light him

36:06

mean until he came up with this. I

36:10

to try to soften, softening

36:12

up a little bit. We

36:16

go to his house that we bottom regardless,

36:20

he lived a great life right his

36:22

streaming in dollar house, brand

36:24

new cards. I

36:29

said, we have to talk, and without my mom.

36:33

It was hard, like I didn't even know how to say it,

36:36

and I don't even know who We even spoke, but

36:41

I said, uh, I did

36:44

mention. I said that the

36:48

government found us. He

36:52

said what I said,

36:54

the government found us. They've

36:57

been watching that. They know exactly where you live. You

37:00

know where we all live. He's

37:02

like, are you serious? I said, he said,

37:05

come on, let's go. You know he's

37:07

walking a kay, let's go. Let's call it. No,

37:10

it's over, there's

37:13

no more running. He

37:16

said, you could go, and I said. They

37:19

knocked on the door and they said, your

37:23

life is going to be in danger anyway, so we're going

37:25

to arrest you or you have a chance you can

37:27

popery. He

37:31

look, He said, what and

37:34

what do you say? I

37:38

said, we'll cooperate. I

37:40

cannot put my family in danger. He

37:44

said, you cooperate? He

37:49

said, what

37:51

type of fucking men are you?

37:56

Cooperate? He said demanding

38:01

people tell you they will hunt you,

38:04

they will here you. You

38:07

could never survive going to custom.

38:09

How could you do? You know what the funk

38:11

you're doing? And

38:14

I'm saying not even about it as about of family.

38:17

He's a fuck um. There's

38:21

a fucking cowards. I raised

38:23

fucking women. He

38:27

said, Oh, now you guys, wanna you know something,

38:30

just like you know who top womire? I

38:32

remember, like I never like talking about it to

38:34

my dad. I

38:39

know who they are and

38:41

it was going to be near them. I want

38:43

you met every

38:45

fucking day you

38:48

could look up to you, admire you do

38:50

whatever you want. I'm not. And

38:56

he said, they're giving a chance to

38:58

leave. Do

39:01

it for us. You never did anything for us. You

39:04

put as you gave us this life up, just saying

39:06

just give us a chance. Let's

39:09

just leave. He

39:12

said I can't. I said,

39:14

they're willing to forgive you, and

39:17

they're willing to give you a Lisa that

39:20

hurt that like herd. I'm

39:23

like he looked

39:25

like them. You guys with that polarity. You

39:29

know, we were on tears, all of us. My father

39:31

was like I could fro his anger.

39:35

And then I said, do

39:37

it for us, Please just do

39:40

it for us. Be mad, do whatever you

39:42

want, but just do it for us.

39:45

And I said, me and my brother going in prison, you

39:51

were the same one. Just kept nodding yourself.

39:56

It's just like I'm

40:00

don't doing my son. What

40:09

you're about to hear is the full unedited,

40:12

two minutes fifty and second conversation

40:14

that people recorded with El Chapo that

40:16

was played in court during El Chappo's trial

40:19

in two thousand and eighteen. Pete

40:21

begins by asking how Chappo

40:23

is, and Chappa responds with fine,

40:26

nice talking to you. How is your brother? For

40:29

an English translation, Go to Lionsgate

40:31

Sound dot com. Damn

40:53

yeah here,

40:59

yeah, I

41:02

think we'll check a list on the

41:11

sinkoles tinko

41:22

you lit. You can mess for words on the pause

41:24

in Quintapo. You think we'll check

41:26

a list of helois.

41:35

He came under my mouth's voice. However,

41:48

that okay,

41:54

we just get a

41:57

new to me. I can tell

41:59

you when I look. Okay, come

42:10

on one

42:15

stem Yeah,

42:22

you're in

42:25

quantum years to give Atlanta

42:28

conus, can you? I

42:35

can't look? I am okay,

42:39

okay. Surviving

42:47

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42:51

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