0:01

Every keyto someone stoles, every key of

0:04

someone lost, someone who favorite.

0:06

It might have been with drug, It might have been paid

0:09

with your mom's house. Does

0:11

someone paid for the art? Just

0:14

kill him and we need If

0:17

you were a different characterized,

0:20

that might have created a problem because if

0:22

they see that your type of man is

0:24

aggressive, I think you're gonna

0:26

suck it up. I'll

0:43

courts st Jackson and I'm Charlie

0:45

Webster and then this is surviving old Chop. Once

0:48

you brought down the drug ward, Jay

1:00

and Pete found a business partner in a man

1:02

named Guadalupe or Loope,

1:04

who they called Uncle. He

1:07

became a close family friend of the twins,

1:10

but things started to unravel after

1:12

Loope tried to take over the twins business.

1:15

Loupe blamed them for a debt

1:17

he owed to Chapo, so

1:20

Chapo kidnapped Pete until

1:22

the money could be paid. Jay

1:24

had to take a journey to straighten things out. For

1:28

Jay, just come and face to face with our

1:30

chap Polson saying, but your brother's

1:32

life is hanging in a bounce one

1:34

one work and instantly in both of your lives.

1:37

The chapboard exetrician is part of his daily

1:40

routine, the same way you are might

1:42

check out email every day. Jay's

1:45

mission was to convince the world's

1:48

most notorious drug lord that Loope,

1:51

the man that Chapo trusted and had

1:53

a longstanding business relationship with, was

1:55

the one who was lying to him Chapel,

2:01

which is out instantity, that Kingua

2:05

and tell my name a real forest. He's

2:07

just staring at me, dry stare, just

2:09

staring. I mean, I'm like trying to give me

2:11

back my hand a little bit. And and

2:15

so how could I help you? How can I help you? I

2:19

said, well, sir, I'm here

2:21

because I'm

2:23

here for my brother. Yep

2:27

mm hmm. You

2:29

have my timillion dollars And

2:32

I said, well, that's what I wanted to talk

2:35

to you about. Like I

2:38

don't ultimnion dollars. Everyone

2:41

says that. And

2:43

I said, I'm here just

2:45

kind of trying to out work this out with you. And

2:48

I've been, you know, a good customer

2:50

for many years. And I

2:53

don't owe that money in I'm here to

2:55

see if I could work some for my brother. And he's

2:57

like, why would I believe

3:00

that you don't own that money? Guard Lupa says,

3:02

you owe that money? And I believe him

3:04

either front of mine. I said, well,

3:06

sir, I mean

3:08

I wouldn't like to you. And he's

3:11

like, this has started

3:13

to be a headache, and

3:16

I'm just quiet. And

3:19

he said, your brother and

3:21

he's your twin brother. You guys looking like? I said

3:23

yeah, I said, we're looking like. And

3:26

he's like, you made

3:28

it here, like, what do you want? And you came

3:30

up here and I have your brother. You

3:34

know, I could just kill you and go about my day, right,

3:39

I said, yes, sir, I

3:41

said, but that's why I'm here. I

3:43

wouldn't come up here wasting your time

3:46

with a lie. I'm

3:48

a man of my word, and I thought

3:50

that that would make the difference. And

3:54

he said that's

3:56

fair. I said, thanks to

3:58

just blain it to you. And he said sure,

4:01

all right, come on, and

4:05

he sat down in his chair. Whenever

4:07

I sat down on his chair and were on the table and I

4:09

sat on the other side of Nightcraft the ledgers. He's

4:13

just staring at man and said, so a look, I'm

4:16

confused, because you know, I thought

4:18

I got a little bit like I just started kind of just throwing

4:21

information out there. So you got you got

4:25

when you're in like what exercise books like

4:27

just notebooks, notebooks. So

4:32

I'm opening my book. I said, first of all, sir, I

4:36

thought that Lupa was kid out

4:38

with my brother. I don't owe

4:40

that money. But I know there's a problem because

4:43

he said that what I

4:46

said, They called me and said that Loopa

4:49

was kidnet with my brother.

4:54

Why And

4:56

I'm like, I don't know, like

4:59

I'm because I know I owe some money.

5:01

I've been giving payments. I've been giving

5:03

regular payments. There's

5:06

an old debt, but what about the shipment

5:08

I just received? And

5:11

he's like, but you have money.

5:14

Doloper too me that you're buying houses and horse

5:16

races and this and that. And I'm

5:19

guilty that you

5:21

know, I came under run twax upon that I

5:24

needed to get comfortable and I figured that

5:26

a little money I owed and I'm paying them to

5:30

me, it wasn't a debt that wasn't gonna

5:32

be paid because I'm making payments,

5:38

like bring my ladies leder

5:41

out. I said, Look, I said, sir, I just gave

5:43

a payment on

5:45

this day, you know my brother. Actual, Look, I just

5:47

gave a pret much of the kises And at first seems

5:50

like you're you're showing me

5:52

a bunch of that I con script the pieces of paper.

5:55

I'm like, you do. I have all the accounts

5:58

of all the deposits I make. I

6:00

received her the shipments. And

6:03

he's like, Lucas said that was his said,

6:06

Lupe doesn't have no one. Lupa has me. He's

6:11

like, typically, give

6:13

me my lecture, topremus

6:16

back downstairs, come back without note book.

6:23

Give me that and he opens it up. He

6:26

puts it there and he said, what was the date? I

6:29

kind of walk around the I said, can I

6:32

So I kind of leaned over him and I'm like the

6:34

day feel last ship members this date

6:36

which she was like a week before

6:39

my brother I cannot and

6:43

like here and he's

6:45

like what day. He goes down to a bunch of numbers,

6:48

neat numbers, and he goes down to the date and

6:51

he goes around and he's like, yeah,

6:55

that was the day. That was one of the shipments. And

6:58

then and then I gave a deposit here

7:00

and here put

7:04

his haighiest tin. He's like looking at

7:08

but one of his eyes, his right

7:10

eye, it's just doesn't

7:14

move. It's just like he got a lazy

7:16

eye. He

7:19

has this theory. I know he's thinking He's

7:23

just staring at me, and I'm like afterward,

7:26

like, so, how

7:28

many ketos are you? Actually, Sally, I'm

7:32

like, well, I saw all the kettles for you anywhere

7:37

from you two kids

7:39

a month for you, and

7:41

I said, if you do the match, like I can meet them

7:44

in the month. I

7:48

just wasn't tell him the truth, like, but I'm

7:51

not from here, like

7:53

I'm from chicag I could tell. And

7:55

where are you from here in Mexico? I said to him, were

7:57

listen, my father is from Ta Juan, you

8:00

know, give me my background for

8:02

me. I said, my whole family lives there and

8:06

now I up here and I've

8:09

been on the run. And he kind of just real curious

8:11

asked me all kinds of questions, you

8:13

know, because he asked me how old are you? You

8:16

know, stuff like that, like where are you from? I

8:19

know that town you know? And

8:21

what is your family do so

8:24

drugs? That's it?

8:26

And like basically, okay,

8:34

well, I'm

8:37

sorry to say, but that

8:40

money is old to me, like

8:43

the one responsibly woll for that money

8:45

is head minerally about this and

8:50

I'm not gonna forgive that that do

8:54

the only thing I could tell you that you could try to work it

8:56

out with him. Did you have money? Pay

9:00

a ten million dollars? And

9:03

he said, there's no money that's worth losing

9:05

your brother. I just lost

9:08

mine and I would pay whatever it is to just

9:10

get my brother back. What's

9:14

disappointed? Then

9:18

when you come back, we

9:20

could do business. You could

9:22

come work for me. I could give

9:24

you drugs. We

9:27

could keep making money together. And

9:30

I'm just like, Sir, I

9:33

appreciate you telling me that right now,

9:35

the only thing I'm worried about is getting

9:38

my brother back. Okay,

9:45

that's sorry, okay. And

9:47

he's like, I can't pay

9:49

the money, but I'll arrange a music You could meet

9:51

all about this and you could work it out with him.

9:54

And you know, I'm gonna find

9:56

out what look like? Why is he saying that to

9:59

just see what you could do? Come

10:01

back and see me, Like,

10:03

go work it out with him. And they don't come back and see me. And

10:09

he said, did Chap take that

10:11

watch from you? And I said,

10:13

no, sir, Are you sure?

10:16

I said, no, Sir, I

10:19

gave it to him. Why would you give it to him?

10:22

I said, because he's bringing me to

10:25

meet you. You

10:28

don't owe him nothing for this. You

10:30

want to watch back. I said,

10:33

no, sir, I said it was a gift, and

10:35

how much is a white worth? Like

10:38

afty, that's

10:41

why you don't have the ten million dollars to pay me because

10:43

you want to be giving stuff like that away. Those

10:48

things will mean nothing to me. You

10:50

know, my brother's life as well means

10:52

everything to me. And I just

10:55

felt like whoever was helping me deserve

10:57

something. He

11:00

like, I'll get back and watch and

11:03

I was like, no, that's that

11:05

was a little bit like strange story because he

11:07

was still being It was like he

11:10

didn't like the steam part eating like somebody

11:13

taking advantage, but it

11:17

just re spontis and he

11:20

said, excuse me for what I think he went somewhere,

11:22

he answered calls he did something because

11:24

he came back. He

11:28

can't get over that. Looper was like, he

11:31

was like, there's no way. I

11:35

told him, like just think about this. Look

11:39

told you that we owed him money, but

11:41

yet he's telling us

11:44

that he's kidnapped too. And

11:47

he asked, is that what he's saying?

11:51

Yeah, why that's

11:53

what he told us to say. It

11:58

was just like, you know, put his hand in chill

12:00

like he whispered

12:03

like, oh, looka what did

12:05

you do like

12:08

you know, in a light voice, and then

12:10

he said, I

12:13

don't like liars. I'm

12:17

just like quiet, like like lions and

12:19

sister. I'm not saying that he's

12:22

lying. All

12:24

I'm saying is that this is

12:26

a misunderstanding. And

12:29

he said, you know, we're gonna

12:31

get to the bottom of this. And

12:36

he said, I'm not letting your brother go.

12:39

No, I want the money. He's

12:43

like, this is what I want you to do. I'm

12:48

going to send you back with a couple of my guys and

12:51

you gonna said, you're gonna talk to him. And

12:53

I was like, like, are you

12:56

sure he's gonna

12:58

know? Now that we know he's he's lying,

13:01

you can put my life in danger. Now he's

13:04

not gonna touch you. And

13:07

I was like, well, how do we know that? He

13:09

said because I said

13:11

so. It

13:16

didn't say wow with me. I was just envisioning,

13:18

like because

13:20

I know him, I

13:23

know what he's capable. So he

13:25

said, I want you to go back on you by recorder.

13:29

Put in your pocket, you put it somewhere just I

13:31

want I want you to talk to him. I want you to

13:34

record him. I want to listen to everything else

13:36

to say. If

13:44

you record him, and

13:46

I think he's lying. You know, we'll we'll

13:48

talk. You're gonna be in a better situation.

13:51

And I was like, oh, that's easy. Don't

13:55

want you to tell him that any move happens.

13:57

I'm telling right now if anything happens

13:59

to him or to one of you guys

14:02

whoever, just saying I'm

14:04

gonna wipe out his whole family. Oh

14:12

oh say now,

14:16

I was like something

14:19

I'm probably never thought about, especially not

14:21

in that business like recording someone. I

14:25

remember thinking, is that the way he because

14:28

he's stuck in the mountains, that the

14:30

way he was able to like no, what

14:34

was true and what was not? Like because he's not able

14:36

to sit with people, I guess you know physically

14:39

all the time. Yeah,

14:41

you wonder how much was being recorded during

14:44

that time, you

14:46

know what? Like every time, like I couldn't say he was

14:48

stare at me like a lot like something.

14:50

It was like a more observation

14:53

and sometimes was like that stare like

14:55

obser rich. I could see him just like kind of like looking

14:57

at me like yeah,

15:02

and basically was like, Okay, well

15:05

it was nice meeting you, and good luck,

15:07

hopefully you get your brother back. That

15:12

hurt. It was almost like you were.

15:14

I've reached this high of thinking everything was gonna

15:16

work out, and I

15:19

was very disappointed my

15:24

first encounter, like meeting him. It

15:26

wasn't like, oh my god, I

15:30

wasn't impressed. I was scared. For

15:32

sure. I had been there. I'm

15:35

there in pressure with him, thinking like is

15:37

this the person that everyone's always talked about?

15:41

And he's probably

15:43

looking at me like who the funk are you. I

15:53

had all those emotions of maybe, oh

15:55

my god, like I'm here. I

15:58

didn't remember thinking like be careful what you

16:00

wish for. I

16:04

could have been a little bit like start

16:07

struck a little bit. At the same time, one

16:10

thing for sure is that he

16:13

was nothing different from all the you

16:16

know, all these older men that my father had introduced

16:18

me to me as a kid. Yeah,

16:28

I went back the same route back when

16:32

we were getting back kind of late, just

16:47

the whole famite. I was exhausted, but I was just

16:49

like I just I was lost.

16:53

I was back to square one, like now I meant

16:55

the people, but still like nothing

16:58

changed now how at that time,

17:00

it was kind of starting to get upset. Looked there like why would

17:02

he do this? And it kind of like

17:05

started making sense. I started putting together that we

17:07

owed him say that we were ten million dollars was

17:09

because he must have received

17:12

a shipment of drugs and try to branch out without

17:14

us. That didn't work out, and

17:16

now he didn't have the money. He needs us to

17:19

actually pay the debt. And if

17:21

we were going to stop receiving the same

17:23

shipments from him, how was he going to pay to that? And

17:27

he looked at like, well, too bad, I'll make the pain.

17:30

That's their problems. I

17:34

was talking to me like I was disappointed. I was kind

17:36

of feeling lost, and I said, maybe he's right, maybe

17:39

I should just no matter what pay I

17:46

went back that day and said,

17:49

listen, I'm gonna call you so

17:52

you could actually me all the violence where this person

17:55

is. They came on livirus, and you can

17:57

talk to him who

17:59

we're He's gonna be okay, you're

18:02

gonna be good, like we're gonna work it out. I

18:14

made our way back. Oh

18:19

so happened to be able to call out like,

18:22

baby, I'm good. It's

18:25

like what happened? You know? She still kind of motion

18:27

to what happened. I could you imagine I was there for a gone for

18:29

hours or six hours something what

18:33

happened. It's not gonna

18:35

I remember telling you it's not gonna be that easy.

18:40

And I said, I guess there's that oh, that kind

18:42

of springing turn. I said, I'm in chapple and she said

18:45

what I said him in trouble? Are

18:47

you serious? She said, I said yeah,

18:51

And what happened that he wasn't the nicer. I

18:54

remember telling her that. He

18:58

said, don't tell mebe don't tell

19:00

me if anything. Yeah, that's

19:04

I'm looking working. Then we've got there's a couple

19:06

of hurdles, but we're gonna

19:08

work it out. M

19:15

H asked

19:27

me to go and to record

19:30

the man that has you know, was responsible for

19:33

putting me in this problem. And now

19:35

I understand it's not going to be a nice

19:38

meeting, and I

19:40

have to go. I can't say no, I'm gonna leave my brother

19:42

behind it, and then I'm gonna look like a liar.

19:46

And I said, let's go.

19:49

I'm gonna go to radio shack and

19:52

I bought these little recorders, our

19:55

c A recorders. How

19:58

about one? I kind of like,

20:01

actually, guy, how does this work? And he

20:03

kind of showed me how it worked in the head

20:05

off us b as a USB.

20:09

It was a digital one. Okay,

20:12

you know, I'll take it. You

20:15

know, once I had in my hand, I was like, okay, how do you use this?

20:19

It's, you know, just a little bit smaller

20:22

than the phone. Yeah, and it's kind

20:24

of like what half the size and with

20:27

a iPhone. I

20:30

by the recorder. I started like like messing

20:32

with it, and I'm thinking that this meaning

20:35

is gonna happen like soon, a

20:38

few days whatever, how many days

20:40

passing. Finally we get to call that it's

20:42

gonna happen today. So

20:44

he's like, okay, well, we'll be there in half

20:47

an hour. I

20:49

still remember him saying, we're going in peace,

20:51

right, We're going to talk.

20:55

He's okay, just making sure and

20:58

he said, okay, let's go. Chapo

21:01

made sure that his men stayed with Jay

21:03

the entire time until he could figure

21:05

out who was lying. So it

21:07

was a team of four who headed out to Loupey's

21:10

house. Happeners. So Rawley

21:13

and Ja so

21:23

we take a couple of cars, three cars, I think we

21:27

drive past. We actually drive black.

21:30

The road is held black away from his home

21:32

that we have to drive them. I

21:35

think I felt that was close

21:38

to my brother, like weirdly because

21:40

that was the last spot I

21:42

know he went to. I

21:47

have the record in my package. I keep testing it

21:49

out, Like when

21:51

we get to the house, there's

21:53

a bunch of mucosos, So that already

21:55

kind of has me not feeling

21:58

well. Ye, we're

22:05

jumping out the vehicles the

22:07

gates there. As

22:11

soon as we walk into the gated park, all

22:13

of us, the doors opened. A bunch ofmin

22:15

come out with They are fifteen. They

22:18

have police uniform down. They are

22:20

fifteen, like keep your hands up, keep your hands up. Looper

22:26

comes to the door. He has at

22:30

his stuck on his

22:32

head, his

22:35

son right behind him. They

22:40

have like six man sevendments. They

22:42

have a couple of their security part These are six seven

22:44

like federal police or who the shall is right?

22:47

State police from another state? They

22:50

aren't. We all put our hands up and

22:53

he sees happen ess and

22:57

they said not him, and nobs like listen,

23:00

not anyone. We

23:03

come in peace that we come to talk and

23:06

I have orders and no one

23:09

touches it. Now

23:11

I's nervous. I

23:15

have the record in my pocket. You

23:20

know they're gonna search me. I

23:24

can't like back step. And

23:26

then he's like, we need to talk. They're

23:29

fine. He said, they're

23:32

fine. Well,

23:34

I need to talk to you guys, like, let me talk

23:36

to us, Let me come inside, let me talk. Lupa

23:41

walks inside and we stay in that

23:44

little port. Everyone guns

23:47

pointing at us. Let

23:49

the funk, I just I just do. Lupa

23:55

comes back and he said, okay, listen, we're gonna talk.

23:58

He comes back up. We're gonna talk. I

24:01

guess the person in charge of

24:04

that. It's kind of pointing to your fifteen and me. So

24:06

he says, turned around. You know, he can taps

24:08

me. Turn around, and he just sat the

24:11

back of my pants, the

24:14

front of my pants, and he doesn't go

24:17

my jeans pant. I had the record in my pocket and

24:20

he's turned an he kind of ludged me, and

24:22

the other guys are searching when

24:28

he was playing you wait,

24:31

like, oh well, I was hoping,

24:33

like hopefully they're so stupid they don't even know what it is.

24:35

Right, it could be a phone, right, you

24:38

know, we were also when I would hear him said, Chapa

24:41

said we're here to talk Chappo

24:44

Center. You know, like it kind

24:46

of like made me feel like I

24:48

was safe. Tapa

24:51

said, right, the

24:55

doors opened I've been to hisself plenty of times.

24:59

Luca looks at me. He's

25:01

breathing loud and and

25:03

like just nodded my head and he he

25:06

retires sign to shake it, and I shook

25:08

his hand shaken

25:15

and and

25:17

he's like, you know, he's breathing under

25:20

his nose really like hardened. I

25:23

got angry way. It's

25:26

since he's into like four year a real like we have to

25:28

kind of school over, you know, to let everyone in.

25:31

And here it comes sous and rolling and he

25:33

extends his hand to

25:36

the souls and so let's get

25:38

the funk out of here. And

25:41

he pulled that fuck motherfucker.

25:45

You're gonna respeck me my motherfucking house,

25:47

motherfucker. And

25:50

they're like hey, you know, like stop like

25:53

you know, stop tap on this. It's

25:55

just like so it's just chill. They're

25:58

not as bush like you're gonna respect me. And

26:00

he's talking to like, no, come on, like

26:03

how am I going to respect you? I'm

26:05

gonna respect you? This is bullshit,

26:07

like you know, and I'm just like just chill,

26:10

just chill, you know, commotion

26:14

help on is like still trying to be like listen,

26:17

just calm down. He

26:19

just kind of turns his hand away, so they

26:23

kind of guide me to the dining room,

26:28

and he puts the gun to my back

26:31

like he's making sure that I'm

26:33

feeling the gun on my side. They

26:37

sent me in the head of the table.

26:42

There's barely enough room for the

26:44

gunmen to kind of like he had to pull

26:47

his gun back to kind of like have enough

26:49

room, and then he just

26:51

put it right in the back of my head. The

26:55

whole time you just had it there. Get

27:02

started off like this said why

27:06

did you do this? Just like

27:08

that, and

27:10

You're like, shut up. I've

27:13

never seen him like dad, I shut up, buck,

27:17

and he got in my face. He's

27:20

pissed, and

27:23

I just kind of try to ignore him,

27:25

and they just started talking. I was like, why

27:27

would you do this? I don't understand. Is

27:30

I don't owe you that money? And he's like, yes, you're sucking

27:32

to mother and shouting.

27:35

I'm like, let's go through the let's go to

27:37

the quinta, let's go let's look at the numbers. I

27:41

don't understand. Why would you do this? It

27:45

just kind of went out for a while. He's

27:47

been recorded, so I know, so I'm kind of trying

27:49

to provoke that conversation from him

27:53

and me went out for like an hour and a half of

27:56

just commotion. In

27:59

the beginning was a little bit timid, but I

28:01

just said, fuck it, man, like maybe

28:05

child molest men. They kind of gave me that confidence,

28:08

but I just got upset and I

28:10

just started shouting back. I

28:13

was just like, that's some fucking bullshit. Why

28:15

the did you come and say that you were

28:17

kind at too? If I'm supposed to owe you this

28:19

money, why didn't you just come getting you

28:22

know where the funk I live? Like I'm swaying,

28:26

And at one point, Lupo took his gun on and hit

28:28

me. He

28:31

kind of missed me, but he it

28:33

was with his left time he took it off his

28:36

hip. I went like all that want motion and

28:39

hit me over my head. And

28:42

when he did that, everyone got up there like don't

28:45

fucking touch him, don't touch him. The

28:49

barrel of the gun went into my neck.

28:56

I think it settled me, like I was like, oh shot

28:59

batory. I of me like it

29:04

was like a live scream like commotion. He so,

29:06

I'm not gonna let your He's I'll kill

29:09

him before I let him go, he

29:12

said, And as a matter of fact, you're

29:14

gonna bring me the fucking money. I want

29:16

my money here, he

29:18

said, go and get your money. You

29:21

have it. You have a lot of money you made.

29:23

I've seen you make the money, all

29:27

these houses and all these fucking

29:30

horses. And now I see the jealousy.

29:32

I'm like, what the fund is it to hear what I buy with my money.

29:35

I'm like, he's just throwing all these things at

29:38

me like jealousy.

29:41

I started to just let it, let things go on. I

29:43

feel like I had enough on the recording to like

29:46

say, okay, I think

29:48

I was done. We

29:52

got up, but I kind of sensed that over

29:54

the time that barrel the could kind of started

29:57

kind of loosening it up a little bit. I

30:01

went to shake lupasana heat he

30:04

turned away and

30:07

all that time and shook all

30:10

the causes him as I was there. They

30:13

walked it out with the guns still raised, and

30:18

we left just

30:23

all these thoughts. We're just going to them. I have the record.

30:26

Everyone jump in the truck and stopped the recording. The recording

30:28

what's going for like and take like two hours

30:30

almost, but I don't. I

30:35

try to play it back, and I kind of hurt things

30:37

that I didn't want to hear like, I'm not even gonna listen to this. So

30:43

we make our way back to Gurgan put

30:45

the recording back

30:48

to the trip to see Chapel. This

30:52

time is actually Army fatigues

30:56

and Tim's has Tim boots and Army fatigues.

31:00

He increached me the narca way, you know, hey,

31:02

he's like differently now a little

31:04

bit more. This is familiar, you

31:07

know, how are you like nice?

31:09

And he tells

31:11

me, you

31:13

guys got the recording. Yeah, and

31:16

he takes the recording from us, and

31:21

he's like, I don't even how to work it. So I kind of grabbed

31:23

it. I just kind of went, you know, I started

31:25

to kind of it has that little like fifteen

31:28

seconds forward, a small forward, but

31:31

I kind of look for that conversation.

31:37

I just let it play. I'm

31:39

not gonna let you. I'll

31:42

kill him before letim go. And

31:45

it's a matter of fact, you're gonna bring

31:47

me the fucking money. I want my money. Here,

31:50

go and get your money. You have it.

31:53

You have a lot of money. You made. I seen you make

31:55

the money, and you're gonna come buy

31:58

all these houses and all the fucking

32:00

horses. And why

32:02

would you do this, I don't understand. And

32:04

he had listened to recording that he just was like kind

32:07

of lost in the recording. Shot

32:10

he listened to him leaving kind of shut

32:12

it off. He was

32:14

like, oh, little Pa, you

32:17

lied to me. We're

32:20

gonna have to take care of that. But

32:24

since you've been gone, you know, I talked to, you know,

32:26

a couple of the people, and no

32:29

matter what happens, you're

32:31

gonna have to pay that money. He

32:34

looked at me. He said, listener, I just

32:37

lost my brother not so long ago. It

32:39

had been a few months. They had shot

32:41

his brother while he was imprisoned. They shot him

32:43

in prison. He said, I'll

32:46

give all the money in votes

32:49

to have my brother back. Obviously

32:52

you're making money, Obviously

32:55

you have nice things. Pay the money,

32:57

you have your brother back, and

33:00

then we'll go back to work. In

33:03

my hand like this is boss. They're

33:06

supposed to be a you know, the business

33:08

I know from Mexico is supposed to be what's

33:11

right is right, what's wrong is wrong. And

33:13

I just told you that was right. What didn't

33:15

matter, he

33:18

said, I'm gonna put you in contact with some people

33:20

who are gonna collect the money from me. Just work

33:22

it out, get your brother back, and

33:26

then we could do business. And

33:29

basically thanked, Okay,

33:32

thank you. What

33:34

was I gonna do is I

33:36

said, appreciate it? And right

33:39

then and then I just said, all right, you know what, I'm

33:43

just gonna focus on paying back to money.

33:53

So I started collecting money, started making payments.

33:58

I think I have given them like six million dollars.

34:02

It was taking me some time, Like I'm collecting money,

34:04

you know, the hardest

34:06

part is to collect like all the money off the street.

34:11

We had just finished paying a debt, you

34:14

know, from the last season. But

34:17

we're living right still. I'm thinking,

34:19

yet our company is taking a hit, but we're

34:21

living. We

34:23

probably had spent ten million dollars in just setting

34:26

up in Mexico. It's

34:29

taking me a little bit of time. And my brothers

34:31

still tied up. And

34:35

then next you know, he like it went from being

34:37

okid to like and

34:39

he was like, listen, you're brothers sick. And

34:43

I remember saying, next sick of what? He like, I

34:45

think his liver or something. I

34:48

guess the hydration. He's

34:52

out well, so and you need to hurry. And

34:54

I remember that I was getting anxious. I was like Listen,

34:58

I'm gonna give him a word. I'm paying you every dollar,

35:02

but I'm sure I think like four

35:04

million dollars. I

35:07

have around three million

35:10

dollars worth of jewelry that

35:12

you go hold. I'm not asking your take. I'm asking

35:14

you hold it, and

35:17

then I'll pay you back the money. He

35:21

said, you know, usually when we take that, we want double.

35:26

And I said, listen, I'll give you a deed. You

35:28

know, I have a deed for a three million dollar house and

35:31

the jewelry. He

35:34

said, all right, I'm

35:36

gonna send my brother to look at this stuff. I

35:39

remember, I'm like, all right. We kind of set

35:41

up and I told about

35:44

Bab and brought all the jewelry

35:46

on the table. Listen,

35:49

we're gonna give him the jewelry, but we're

35:52

gonna be fair. I don't care I spent five or

35:55

something. We're gonna be really fair.

35:58

We're not gonna over ask or

36:00

over value something. I

36:13

used to have those insecurits. I used to do

36:16

dumb things because you could who

36:19

I am today, and at times I never changed who

36:22

I was. But sometimes, like you

36:24

know how people get drunk and they are stupid.

36:26

Well, my drunk was a little bit like having money,

36:29

you know, my drunkness, so I might be like be

36:32

happy when they spent five d jewelry.

36:37

Christmas will come and I we could spend

36:39

a million dollars on gifts, not

36:41

for me, for my associates,

36:44

for my workers. Just gives. The

36:49

jeweler came in handy day because

36:51

I remember that he brought a jeweler over him

36:53

to appraise the jewelry. And I'll never every

36:56

day. He was seeing the big pieces of r and

36:58

he whispered something and

37:00

he's like, could you give me a minute in my house. I walked

37:02

away in the sure and he came back.

37:04

He said, hey, we have a problem. Some

37:08

of these things are way more than you

37:10

know. God had put tags on the tags

37:13

on every little piece, so some of these pieces are way

37:16

more more more than what

37:19

I said. Listen, I'm

37:22

not here to play games. I

37:24

know there. I

37:26

just wanted to be fair. And

37:30

then they looked at me like, I go,

37:33

okay, he

37:37

only saw like he didn't see

37:39

all the pieces. After that they were like, let's

37:41

not even think about it, let's just take it. So

37:44

they just grabbed it, okay, like they

37:46

didn't have a fair seen it. After

37:48

that they took my word like and I remember he called

37:50

his bood. He said, hey, I'm here with this, you

37:53

know. He said, you're gonna

37:55

be surprised he

37:58

undervalued all the jewelries. Uh he

38:01

if he tells you guys four, it's really more. But all

38:04

right, he got from more dollar with

38:06

the jewelry and he has a thea here for a big gass house.

38:17

M m

38:19

hm hm, m

38:23

hm m hm. The next

38:25

day, I get a call early in the

38:27

morning. It's

38:29

olivirus. He said, hey, listen,

38:33

your brother is not well. He

38:36

said it everything that you know

38:38

I've known of you, it seems like

38:40

you're you're a man of your word, and

38:43

that that says a lot. He

38:46

said, I don't want your

38:48

house. I don't want your jewelry. I want my money.

38:52

Now, do give me your word that

38:55

you're gonna pay me back my money and

39:00

I'll let your brother for to day. He

39:03

said, it's Mother's Day. I could only imager

39:05

what your mom was feeling, and

39:08

your mom should have could mother

39:10

day. And they

39:13

said, you're

39:15

putting me in a situation that anyone

39:18

in my situation will give you the word. But

39:21

I mean that you have my word,

39:24

not because I don't

39:26

have a choice because I want my

39:28

ship back. And he was

39:30

like, all right, I'll

39:33

get back to and

39:36

hung up. Rumor called an hour

39:38

later. He said, could you believe

39:40

this fucking old man don't want to let your brother go. He

39:43

was a reference to Lupe. H

40:00

mm hmm. I

40:09

got sick like I was in pain. I had like a brainy

40:12

sharp pain on my right side

40:14

of my stomach. I

40:17

remember just having a whole those those deep emotions

40:19

in my heart. I

40:23

remember hearing them, they're gonna bring me a doctor, thinking

40:25

what kind of doctor comes and treats

40:28

a captain person? At

40:31

least they're not letting me die. And

40:34

then once they see me in a really bad condition,

40:36

maybe around the fourteen day, comes straight to

40:38

offer me food that they cook, you

40:42

know, like you gotta eat. You're don't die, you

40:44

really, you try to make it up. I

40:47

could see it you're not looking at and

40:51

that he does me. And I've seen people die like this. Great

40:54

thanks. I

40:57

couldn't eat like my by that time. My happsitde

40:59

was you're not eating for two weeks?

41:01

Yeah, I coudn't even eat. But he bound me something

41:04

the Mexican like cookies

41:08

with the marshmallow and the cocolan

41:10

them, you know, and I remember

41:12

like trying to eat something. He bought some Gatora

41:15

And there's been a little more like like

41:18

there was no things that Hill keep torturing me, like you're looking

41:20

at me probably like yeah, you're not looking too

41:22

good and this whole time, but they like trying to get

41:25

get anything out of you know. The only thing the exactly

41:27

about working for chapl Mile like no, you chopl

41:29

Mile, that's a struggle his lady what didn't

41:31

say much? You know. And I hear the radios and

41:33

China on the radios and stuff, and

41:37

you know they're in their combat boots and they have their

41:40

full you know army here. How

41:44

does this? Just sitting there one

41:52

night, two in the morning, I

41:54

hear a lot of commotion and

41:59

I was just like I was saying, what's

42:01

going on? Yeah, hey,

42:04

get me able to come on? Get up? I

42:07

agrealized how weak I felt and

42:10

help fa teat I felt,

42:16

walk me out. They

42:20

probably back on the truph

42:28

do you drive me and

42:31

drive Lee? And

42:35

they I see, you know, it's a dark, completely

42:38

pitch dark rolls that don't have lights like you

42:40

know, street lights and highway lights and they

42:43

were off the road again to another

42:46

bumpy road. Were like maybe

42:49

ten minutes. Who

42:52

are you thinking at that time? That was

42:54

okay? I was dust scarious, m

43:00

m. They finally

43:02

stopped. They

43:05

pulled me out, walking

43:08

in towards the back of vehicle. I

43:12

see the red of the brake light. Second, yeah,

43:15

and I'm just kind of standing there. Kicks

43:18

me in the back of the knee. And

43:21

that moment I was like, there's a whole

43:23

summer and

43:26

we were tell you listen, not even I'm not even

43:28

say nothing. I might hold my peace and just

43:32

whatever happens does not matter here, you know, just

43:35

thinking about my brother, feeling

43:38

so much regret at the same time a

43:42

little bit of peace, but

43:45

sad to think, like that's the way you look at life, your

43:47

short life. I

43:49

don't think anyone's really filming, you know, once

43:56

that happens, if feeling too something

43:58

to my back pocket, I feelt

44:00

doing something, you know, I've felt my messy

44:02

on my shoes, you know, rememberthing

44:06

like I wish I had a paper and pen, like

44:09

I could write my name down and

44:11

put my own name in my shoes

44:13

so someone refinds me they

44:16

know who I had and

44:20

he crass my hand like pressed

44:23

a piece of paper, like I'm

44:25

handcuffed in the front in

44:27

the press of piece of paper. And he tells me, you're

44:31

lucky. This

44:34

is your brother's phone number. He

44:36

saved your life. But

44:41

don't get up, cant

44:44

hunter, don't

44:46

turn on. Don't when we come back, count

44:50

hunted. And I'm just thinking,

44:53

uff, if this really happened, is

44:56

he really gonna let me call h

45:00

Yeah. I

45:04

hear the vehicle move away. I'm

45:07

like right away searching, you

45:10

know, handcuffs like I know he took the kem

45:13

out day and he did pitch

45:16

black. I can't even see so my

45:20

hand. I could feel that he put

45:22

a phone in my pocket. You

45:25

know. I'm like trying to like do everything at the same

45:27

time. I'm pansy. I'm getting

45:29

gradful. Take the cupps up. I

45:32

remember just taking composers up a little bit

45:34

too. Only

45:37

phone he gave me it was like her, you

45:39

know, like a dirty dollar Nokia

45:41

phone with a flash and it's

45:44

like the first hole that came out with a little flash

45:46

and the topic is clear twice and I

45:52

can't see nothing. He was completely

45:55

pitch black, like I couldn't see the hand

45:57

from my face, like it was like

45:59

it might bl end. It

46:02

was just so dark, you know, there's no life. He

46:04

wanted me a little bit to look upon this characters

46:06

he starves and finally

46:10

like find the way to remove

46:12

the cut. And I

46:16

hear like animals

46:18

around me, you know, like moving around, like I

46:23

can't see it like this see him. I can

46:25

see one street bike far away, at

46:27

least a mile away, like

46:30

I said, the shape of the shadow

46:33

of building. I don't know where

46:35

I'm at. I'm looking at the phone.

46:37

I was like, I know he went that way. I think I'm

46:40

not even sure where that way it was. And I'm

46:43

like, I'm gonna walk through the street seeps O help

46:46

me seets some gold me like at least where I'm at. So

46:52

it's like three four in the morning, I'm

46:55

walking no

46:57

service, feeling

47:02

so tired. I

47:07

literally would sit on the floor and just hear animals

47:09

around me like

47:13

I'm th is cattle grazing or something like you

47:15

know, I'm kind of walking down that hill, so

47:19

darving, so tired, and it's so tired,

47:21

like I couldn't move that I can think like

47:23

I've never thought this fatigue them out like I

47:26

can't even pick my legs up. And

47:30

then I can hear dogs, party

47:32

parting arts, and then I

47:34

was I'm getting close. I see it's like a big

47:37

heard of dogs like and

47:40

grabbing big old rods something like that doesn't

47:43

killing me right, and walking

47:46

and I still a couple of little houses, like one

47:49

room houses, and the ability

47:51

was like a small school. I

47:53

remember looking at the name of school and

47:56

I'm like kind of like knocking on their fans, excuse

47:58

me, like it's going to help me. Nobody will come up. I

48:02

can imagine how that is, So

48:07

that's another thing to imagine how I look. And

48:12

I said, this ain't no work. I'm gonna

48:14

walk back the other way. But

48:16

that was like an uphill and

48:19

there it took me like I don't know. Now we're

48:21

gonna have for something. Wow.

48:24

And I look in the phone and I walking and seeing getting

48:28

a little signal the

48:36

phone rings. I

48:39

just remember hearing then for his voice. At

48:44

that time, he kind of felt like forever. Just

48:47

hearing his voice would like I

48:50

think relieved for me. I

48:53

don't even think that I even he

48:56

was able to feel anything. Then I

49:00

couldn't write. But

49:02

if I'm good to be able to hear his voice, and you

49:05

know, I'm like, where are you? And he's

49:07

like, I don't know. I'm

49:12

so weak, I can't even you can't

49:14

walk. I

49:17

see a light far away. I'm

49:19

gonna walk towards the light. And

49:22

then he would take three ex after like three steps,

49:28

I see a light. I'm gonna

49:30

guess that that's maybe a light on the road

49:32

or something. It's just

49:35

so dark. I'm

49:38

just scared. H

49:47

And I remember him saying I thought I was gonna die.

49:54

I can't even say that. I was

49:56

like, you now, you're gonna be a kids. You're

49:58

good now, Herry

50:01

upcome. I don't know where

50:03

I'm at, And I said, I know

50:05

that you're somewhere by Lucas, right,

50:09

So I'm just gonna head that way. I

50:26

remember, like, you know now I'm driving so and

50:30

I'm like, listen, how do I

50:32

know where you are? Like to me realities for me,

50:34

like I could be you

50:36

know, another state, you're in the state I don't

50:38

even know. I'm

50:42

gonna turn out my hazard

50:44

lights and flash my lights. Couldn't

50:48

you see anything? And he was like, I

50:52

see you. I pro you

50:54

are so far away, You're

50:58

somewhere else. You're so far away, a

51:01

flashing and flashing. We

51:05

had a handcuff because he's like, at the battery is low.

51:07

He said, I need to see the battery because

51:09

he was using the flashing and

51:16

he'd call me and I'd flash my lights and turn

51:18

my hands and he's like, you're getting closer,

51:22

You're getting closer. They're

51:26

can be good for a minutes. And

51:39

if I hadn't be like got to them. I

51:42

remember getting to the light where

51:44

he was in. I kind of just stopped the trucking middle

51:46

road and I looked and he was trying to walk up.

51:52

I've just seen a different person. And

51:55

he was like, we're already small. He was small. He was

51:57

like unrecognizable to me, us

52:00

filthy. When

52:03

we got up you

52:08

know, to truck and which is hard, and

52:13

kissed. It was like I was gonna

52:15

die. I

52:18

thought I did. I never see it again, and

52:20

he said like holding me, like he's

52:24

small until he probably he's

52:26

probably one twenty. He

52:29

probably left a one seven. He came back at

52:31

one. His

52:35

eyes are just sunking, and I

52:39

felt like I was looking at death, like that's how

52:42

it looks, and

52:46

he can't stay up when I'm kind of like holding

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it man, I hugging

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him. We're crying, and and

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he said we have to go, and he's like, what

52:57

about lope? See

52:59

okay, Peter still

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thinks he's getting up. I

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said, I don't want develop

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it and no kids

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like what. I

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opened the door, helped him in the truck and he's

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just like really, I'm talking about

53:18

like his stenches

53:20

like unbearable. I'm

53:23

trying to hold back like me gagging. You

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know, like how did it sound like every

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imaginable thing you could think of, like just

53:34

just pet smart, just it's

53:38

awful. He

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was locked in alone. I guess in the summertime.

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Well, he couldn't get off to bed and

53:47

he was blind for for

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twenty something days. I

53:59

only need of the current him

54:03

sat backwards on that head

54:05

res I just I did want to hold you. And

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I'm driving. He's just like

54:11

hugging me, rob

54:14

me his head like you know, it's

54:17

probably just say he's just like everybody said against

54:19

too. I'm just

54:21

holding on to you while you're driving. And his

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beard was long and big beard A

54:27

guy. I think I was gonna see you like I'm

54:31

I'm not going to kill me say, and

54:35

he was like you know when he asked about everyone.

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I'm like, they're okay,

54:40

They're okay, you know, And

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he was like, what happened? And

54:50

I was like, I'm

54:53

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fifty cent Jackson and me Charlie

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