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July 25, 2010, a

3:21

woman named Tracy Stevens found herself at the

3:23

Picniville Police Department. She

3:26

had reported her youngest daughter, 15-year-old

3:28

Sydney Stevens, missing over a week

3:31

ago. Now things were getting serious.

3:34

No one had heard from her.

3:36

When did you report her missing? Monday

3:38

morning, the 19th, around 7

3:44

o'clock in the morning, is in the timeline 11. Did

3:47

that mean you found her missing? Yes. Okay. Do

3:49

you think she crawled out her bedroom window or... No.

3:52

Um, the way that my house is

3:55

set up is split level

3:57

and full room is the entire room

3:59

still.

3:59

This is our sign two-bedroom house and I

4:02

also have a 17-year-old daughter. Where

4:04

do you live at? Um, on

4:06

Water Street. Uh-huh. Right past

4:08

the grade school when it makes that little jig jog right

4:10

there. Yeah, yeah. And she's golden has her hair soft

4:12

and all that right there. Yeah. Behind

4:15

there is a white house. Gosh, I don't know. Most

4:17

people, that's where Jerry and Lois Baldwin

4:20

used to live. Uh-huh, oh, Jerry.

4:22

In case you haven't figured it out, Picnayville

4:24

is a very small town. The

4:27

kind of place where everyone knows each other. In 2010,

4:30

the town had just over 5,000 residents. We're

4:34

talking tiny. It was

4:36

unusual for teenagers to disappear

4:39

in towns like this. In

4:41

Tracy's modest split-level house,

4:43

Sydney's bedroom was the entire

4:46

downstairs floor.

4:47

Okay, so she had to basically run the downstairs

4:50

at split level. Right. Okay.

4:53

And then the downstairs, because

4:55

he's the boy and we couldn't have, they were

4:57

all there in a room. Right, right. And

4:59

then the downstairs, because it's pretty good size. I'm

5:02

going to have to put this on the flight. This

5:04

is her, Sydney's dad. Can I please answer this

5:06

one? Sure. Hello.

5:10

Tracy's phone was ringing off the hook.

5:12

Sydney's disappearance was making the

5:14

rounds through their family as well as

5:17

the small town. Sydney

5:19

had an older half-sister, Dakota, who

5:21

was 17, and an older

5:23

half-brother named Zachary. Dakota

5:26

and Sydney were raised together by Dakota's

5:29

father until Tracy revealed

5:31

that Sydney was not actually his

5:33

biological daughter. Sydney

5:36

found this out when she was just a little girl

5:38

and it really rocked her sense of

5:41

being.

5:42

So, you found her missing on the 19th? Yeah,

5:45

the morning of the 19th. I've

5:48

told this story so many times. No, ma'am, I'm

5:50

sorry. I know. I

5:52

know. It's okay because I went to bed Sunday

5:55

night about 11-30. 3 quarter

6:00

to 12. She was there. She

6:03

was in a good mood. She was fine.

6:07

She had been playing with the dog. Her and the dog were

6:09

sharing string cheese. They were sharing

6:11

hospitals. Me and her were watching

6:13

squidbillies together. Let me ask

6:16

you, who lives in the house with you?

6:18

Me and Sidney and my daughter

6:20

Dakota. Okay. And was Dakota

6:23

at home during this time? Dakota had

6:25

stayed the night at her boyfriend's house. And

6:27

what's his name? Chad Bennett. He

6:29

lives in Pinkyville. He lives with

6:32

his grandparents out in Charlotte Hills.

6:35

Dakota was out with her boyfriend Chad.

6:37

So

6:38

it was just Sidney and Tracy at the house.

6:41

While Tracy was on the family computer, Sidney

6:43

played with her dog sharing a popsicle

6:46

in a cup.

6:47

So her and the dog were both drinking out of this

6:49

cup. Whatever they do.

6:51

I know it sounds disgusting but those two do

6:53

it all the time. She

6:56

had wrecked her bike on Saturday

6:58

because it was like 7.30 Saturday

7:01

night before I even, Randy even come and picked

7:04

me up.

7:04

She had wrecked her bike

7:06

on Saturday and had

7:08

scratched up her legs

7:10

and hurt the palm of her hand. I

7:13

mean and it was just that palm of her hand was just

7:15

really bad. She was mad because she wrecked

7:19

her bike and because her friends weren't home,

7:21

they were supposed to be home because they

7:23

were supposed to go camping and

7:26

the friends apparently. That was

7:28

on Saturday night she was, that

7:30

was Saturday evening.

7:33

Sidney was upset with her friend

7:36

but this wasn't unusual. Sidney

7:38

was played with emotional problems.

7:41

She lived for drama and

7:44

most people

7:44

didn't want it. They knew the

7:46

things that she had done in the past.

7:48

They

7:51

just didn't want to deal with it. She

7:53

was alone. I mean it was

7:55

a lot just to be her friend

7:58

and she had friends

7:58

for a very short period. periods of time

8:00

and then the

8:03

next thing you know I never see her hear from him

8:05

again and she's I was like oh whatever happened

8:07

to someone so oh well they did this and

8:09

pissed me off or blah blah blah they said this

8:11

about me or said that about me it was always somebody

8:14

else's fault she's a teenager first

8:16

of all and second of all she's bipolar.

8:19

Sydney was a moody sensitive teenager

8:22

and this was exacerbated by

8:24

her bipolar disorder. Sydney's

8:27

mental illness was finally taken

8:30

seriously after Tracy found her in

8:32

the laundry room of their house with

8:34

a rope around her neck. She

8:37

was trying to hang herself. Sydney

8:40

was hospitalized and her whole life changed.

8:43

Tracy was scared to leave her

8:46

alone. After

8:48

that things had gotten really bad again

8:50

which resulted in Tracy having to install a

8:53

lock on her own bedroom

8:55

door. Sydney threatened to kill

8:57

me

8:58

and was hospitalized for that about

9:02

two years ago. She made threats

9:05

that she had a plan one

9:07

night that she was going to

9:09

slit my throat and then go drown herself in the bathtub.

9:12

Who was going to help her? She was going to

9:14

do it all by herself apparently.

9:16

Sydney also ran away from home

9:18

often but she was always found. She'd

9:21

be spotted or

9:23

one of her friends would call Tracy. This

9:26

time things were different.

9:29

It had been a week.

9:31

Plus Sydney left her purse in

9:33

her bedroom when she vanished and

9:35

none of her shoes were missing. That

9:38

didn't make sense. So you're saying she left her bedroom? Yes.

9:39

I told the police this. I tried

9:41

to tell them something was

9:42

wrong. They would not listen to me. Are

9:44

you letting her use her cell phone at all? She said she does not have a cell phone. Yes

9:46

it's all gone.

9:47

No it is all gone. Back in May she got suspended

9:50

from school.

10:00

And at the end of April

10:03

I had surgery. And

10:05

she got suspended from school. I took

10:07

her cell phone away from her because she got suspended

10:09

from school.

10:11

Sydney had been in some trouble lately.

10:14

Dakota and Sydney weren't getting along. Tracy

10:18

was chalking it all up to the fact that she

10:20

had two teenage girls

10:22

under one roof.

10:24

After finishing up on the computer, Tracy

10:26

decided to go to bed.

10:28

I told her, I said, well, I'm going to bed. I said, you know,

10:30

I'll see you later. She says, do you have to work in the

10:32

morning? And I said, yeah.

10:35

And she said, okay. And I said, good night. Love

10:38

you. And she said, good night. Love you too. What

10:40

time do you think that was? About 11.

10:44

34 tilts somewhere right

10:46

in there. The

10:49

reasons I can remember that she said, love you

10:51

too, is because nine

10:53

times out of ten she hates me. Because

10:57

I'm my, she don't like my rules.

11:00

She don't like anything. So when she says,

11:02

love you, you know, I can say it. And they're

11:04

saying, she will not answer me. So these times

11:07

she answered me. So that's how

11:08

I know she was in a decent mood.

11:11

Sydney was happy the night before she vanished.

11:15

That's what was so odd. Whenever

11:18

Sydney disappeared in the past, she had been

11:20

building up to a manic episode. One

11:23

could tell something was about to

11:26

implode. This time

11:28

Sydney was calm. The

11:31

next morning she was gone.

11:34

You know, something, something's wrong. And

11:36

I've been telling the police all week

11:38

long something with all of this is

11:40

not right. I haven't,

11:43

I haven't stayed at my, I stayed at my house Monday night

11:46

and Tuesday night. And since

11:49

then, I feel like I'm being watched

11:53

and Dakota gets the same feeling. I

11:55

feel like I'm being watched. There's something creepy

11:57

about my house and neither one of us will go in there

11:59

with

11:59

out each other or somebody else.

12:03

Why do you think so? I just,

12:05

it's just, I don't know, it's

12:08

just a gut feeling that something's

12:10

wrong. Another thing Dakota

12:13

found on her vanity,

12:16

which is by her bed on the other side of the

12:18

room, she found the stuff

12:20

on her vanity had been knocked over.

12:23

Dakota just picked all that up and just kind of

12:25

sat it back up because it's on a very

12:27

sturdy vanity and it wouldn't take a whole

12:29

lot to bump it. It's just that real thin. When

12:32

did she find that? That was Monday

12:34

evening when me and her were looking through Sydney's room

12:36

trying to figure out if something was missing her.

12:38

And is there anything that you could think

12:41

of who would want her,

12:41

if somebody's not heard or would there

12:44

be anybody in particular? I

12:46

just thought I know she doesn't have a lot of friends. I know

12:48

she's made a lot of people mad. I know

12:50

she was into drugs. Who

12:53

would she have made really mad or

12:56

been involved with drug wise? I

13:01

don't really know. But

13:02

the reason Tracy was at the police

13:05

station was because that morning they

13:07

had found a

13:08

body.

13:10

Two men had been fishing in the

13:12

local river and spotted something floating

13:15

in the creek. When

13:17

the police arrived, they pulled up

13:19

the body of a young woman. She

13:23

was waterlogged and banged up.

13:26

She was unrecognizable.

13:29

The body had ratchet straps tied around

13:31

her waist at one end and

13:35

it was tied to a cinder block on

13:37

the other. Whoever

13:39

this was had suffered multiple

13:41

bullet wounds to the head. The

13:44

only identifying factor on the body was a piece

13:46

of jewelry. The

13:49

dead girl wore a silver necklace

13:51

with a little musical note charm. We've

13:54

got to try to identify this person

13:56

we found. We hope it's not

13:58

you all.

14:02

The detectives pushed a photograph

14:04

toward Tracy of the silver music

14:06

note necklace. We found

14:09

something. You ever seen that before? I've never

14:12

seen that.

14:13

That she's that loose.

14:18

I forgot all about that. That's

14:21

something she just recently found. I'm

14:23

sorry, she doesn't know. You

14:27

know what you're trying to say. Um...

14:33

No? What was

14:37

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14:38

I had seen her wear that.

14:42

But I hadn't... I

14:45

hadn't really paid attention to whether

14:47

or not she's been wearing this necklace. I

14:50

don't know. Is it... was it on a necklace?

14:53

What kind of necklace? It's a Chinese...

14:56

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15:02

was Sydney. The 15

15:04

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15:06

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15:08

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15:12

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15:14

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15:17

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15-year-old Sidney Stevens

18:52

had been found shot, dead, in

18:55

a creek and tied down in the water.

18:58

The teenager had a history of mental

19:00

illness and running away. Sidney's

19:03

mom Tracy had reported the troubled teen

19:05

missing a week prior and told police that

19:07

Sidney had a long history of running

19:09

away in suicide attempts and

19:12

that she was also bipolar. Sidney

19:15

had lost a lot of friends over the years and

19:17

had dated some boys in town, but

19:20

her mother couldn't think of anyone who

19:22

would want to kill her. Starting

19:24

from the inside and working their way out,

19:27

the detectives soon brought in

19:30

Sidney's sister, 17-year-old Dakota,

19:33

for questioning. They were

19:35

only two years apart and hung out in

19:38

the same social circles, though

19:40

they didn't always get along. Dakota

19:43

knew her sister. Maybe she

19:45

could shine a light on her social

19:47

life.

19:49

Can you tell me about Sidney's relationship? Well,

19:51

we've got a lot of great folks.

19:54

She believes that Sidney's sister didn't

19:57

touch my stuff all of the years after

19:59

this video. Though

20:01

the sisters both loved

20:04

emo music, punk bands,

20:06

and dressed

20:06

like your typical small

20:18

town

20:24

teenage goth chicks, Dakota

20:26

and Sydney were very different people.

20:52

Where

20:54

were you when you

20:56

were notified of her disability? I

20:59

was on a birthday path. And who did you

21:01

go to? Chad Denny. Did you go here in town?

21:03

Yeah. Where did you live in? I don't

21:05

know, I don't know, but it's the

21:08

same old subdivision as someone who... Oh,

21:11

who called you? Um, Mr. Chad

21:13

Denny said, had to go to home and

21:15

he was here expecting to go to camp. If

21:18

I knew you were Sydney was very different than I was, you know, I don't

21:21

know. But I was

21:23

like, Sydney's missing again, I

21:25

didn't find her. And I texted all my

21:27

friends, and Sydney's missing again

21:30

if you see her or if you want to

21:32

get contacted or you're calling them or not.

21:34

That's why Dakota said she wasn't super

21:36

concerned.

21:38

Sydney had gone missing many times. In

21:40

fact,

21:42

she'd run away just last summer,

21:44

but was found hiding in the woods when

21:47

she ratted herself out to

21:49

a boy she had a crush on. Dakota

21:52

said that on the night

21:54

Sydney disappeared, she came home briefly

21:56

with her boyfriend Chad. She

21:59

only saw Sydney for a long time. minute in

22:01

the kitchen.

22:35

Dakota and Chad left and went to meet

22:37

some of their friends at Buffalo Wild Wings

22:39

for dinner. Then they

22:42

went out and did whatever dumb

22:44

things teenagers do. Dakota

22:47

slept over at Chad's house. The

22:49

next morning, Sydney and Dakota's mom, Tracy,

22:52

called her daughter to tell her that Sydney

22:55

was missing.

23:24

Chad and Dakota had been dating for a while now

23:26

and things were as serious as

23:28

serious gets in teenage land.

23:31

Dakota was obsessed with Chad.

23:34

He was her entire world.

23:38

Tracy was not happy about any

23:40

of this. Chad wasn't

23:42

exactly the kind of guy you wanted your daughter

23:45

to be dating. A guy

23:47

named Chad never is right here. He

23:50

was thuggish, moody.

23:53

He was a troublemaker. And if that

23:55

wasn't bad enough, he ran his

23:57

own gang called the P-Town.

23:59

Saints. Right,

24:02

we forgot to mention that about

24:17

Picniville.

24:21

Even though the town has about 5,000 people, 2,200 of those

24:25

residents are actually inmates

24:28

at a prison.

24:55

Dakota

24:58

was playing it down, but the people

25:22

of

25:25

Picniville and the town's Saints took themselves very seriously.

25:29

Dakota had become the Queen Bee

25:31

of their little crew right

25:34

after she and Chad became official.

25:37

What an honor.

25:38

They had a lot of good knowledge of

25:40

me and my family and their

25:42

parents and they also know

25:45

that I have drugs. I'm Chad's

25:47

girlfriend. I don't want him to hang

25:49

out with me or it's just supposed to

25:51

be him. If they ever got me today, they

25:54

could figure out what's me. So

25:56

you know what they're telling me? You're

25:59

the headboard.

25:59

Dakota

26:02

had become instantly cool when

26:04

she started dating Chad. That's

26:07

what happens when you start dating at Chad, you become instantly

26:09

cool, didn't you ladies know that?

26:12

She was someone now to be feared

26:15

and revered. You can

26:17

be too, ladies, just go find yourself a Chad.

26:20

Check the phone book.

26:21

If y'all still know what that is,

26:24

I guess.

26:26

But Dakota wasn't always a cool

26:29

girl. When she was little,

26:31

Dakota was extremely

26:33

strange.

26:35

Tracy reported that for an entire year

26:37

when she was in grade school, Dakota

26:39

was convinced that she was a dog and

26:42

insisted that everyone treat her like

26:44

a pet. She didn't

26:47

speak, she just

26:49

barked. What is it? Dogkin

26:51

or caninekin? Animalkin?

26:55

These degenerate furries will stop at nothing.

26:58

I'll tell you. After about

27:00

a year of this nonsense,

27:03

she stopped and went back to being

27:06

herself again. As

27:08

Dakota grew into a teenager, she

27:10

became moody and gravitated towards

27:12

emo and punk. She

27:15

was obsessed with Kurt Cobain and

27:18

Twilight Brooks,

27:19

whatever that is. Sydney

27:22

really looked up to her big sister. She

27:25

wanted to be just like her.

27:27

I was going to ask

27:30

you about Chad. How

27:33

was his relationship with Sydney? What

27:36

did you always pick up on?

27:38

He didn't like Sydney a whole lot. I

27:43

mean, he tolerated her because it was his

27:45

girlfriend Dakota's little sister. He

27:49

never really... There

27:51

was just one or two times

27:53

that I can remember that they

27:55

ever even like went

27:58

together somewhere like a Dakota woman.

27:59

was going out. I think Sydney ever went alone

28:02

with Chad anywhere. So

28:04

next, when you talk to the force, you said

28:06

that Sydney really liked Chad. She

28:09

liked him. But as

28:11

far as him liking, I mean

28:13

her, that

28:15

he didn't really care for all that

28:17

much. Why did that mean that? Sydney

28:20

was different

28:22

because of her being bipolar.

28:25

And she

28:27

would,

28:29

Sydney was all about drama.

28:31

And Chad seemed that he

28:33

didn't want a lot to do with the drama. And

28:36

I think more than anything, she just kind of

28:38

got on his nerves.

28:40

Tracy admitted that Chad and Dakota would

28:43

be annoyed if she asked them to keep an eye

28:45

on Sydney.

28:46

But the only thing that I think what I was

28:48

going to say earlier is the only thing that I could think of that

28:51

Chad, why he wouldn't like her, because

28:53

with Sydney being bipolar, there were

28:55

times like whenever

28:56

I'd go to work or if I had plans to go and

28:58

do something or whatever, Dakota

29:01

wasn't able to go and do what she wanted

29:03

to do

29:04

because I would have to have her stay

29:06

with Sydney. Not all the time.

29:10

But it was dependent on how Sydney's mood was

29:12

and how she'd acted days before

29:13

as to whether or not I would leave her by herself

29:16

or if I would make sure that Dakota was

29:18

with her.

29:19

Then the police got a hold of

29:21

Chad.

29:22

So I understand that you, Dakota's

29:25

boyfriend, is that right? Yeah. And

29:27

how long have you and Dakota been together? This

29:29

morning, if it's this month, it'll be a year and a

29:31

half.

29:32

Okay. So you've been around Sydney for

29:34

a little while during that time frame? Yes,

29:36

sir. I didn't really talk to her too much.

29:39

I mean, that's just about right now

29:41

and then we'd have little conversations like saying, like,

29:44

oh, you was in the shower, you

29:46

know, something like that. So did you

29:48

and Dakota ever hang out with her and her boyfriends

29:51

or anything? No. You guys never want

29:53

to place this together or anything like that? Nope. She

29:55

was really jealous of me and Dakota, like

29:58

what we had, because we blasted her.

29:59

lasted for so long and her boyfriends

30:02

would last for maybe a week,

30:04

if that.

30:05

John

30:23

The

30:54

police decided they should get

30:56

in touch with Carl Dane.

30:59

See if he knew anything about what

31:02

happened to Sidney.

31:04

But before they reached him, they got a

31:06

call from Sidney's older brother

31:09

who said that when he ran into Carl

31:11

a day prior,

31:13

Carl had told him that he witnessed Sidney's

31:16

murder. Carl Dane

31:18

was a greasy teenager with a shaggy

31:20

mushroom cut and a red

31:23

goat tea. The cops

31:25

were familiar with Carl Dane.

31:28

He had been arrested for minor charges over the

31:30

years, mostly

31:32

drugs and stealing.

31:33

So they brought him in for, you know, a little

31:36

chat.

31:36

I want to know what you know about what happened

31:39

to him. I don't know anything.

31:41

Did you talk to him by last night? No,

31:44

but I was not scared. Did

31:47

you talk to anybody about Sidney's

31:50

family recently? I

31:52

talked to her brother yesterday. I

31:55

was at the house. Okay,

31:57

I'm waiting to tell my brother you're standing down.

32:00

Nothing really. He was

32:02

asking if I knew anything and I said I didn't.

32:06

So you didn't tell her brother

32:08

that you witnessed the whole thing? No.

32:11

You're sure about that? Yeah, I didn't

32:13

tell him that. I didn't tell him that. What

32:16

did you tell him? I told him

32:18

I didn't know anything about it. Well,

32:20

I mean, I don't think that's pretty far off from... I

32:24

mean, those two statements are just completely

32:26

opposite, aren't they? So how can anybody

32:29

make a mistake about what you said?

32:32

I don't know. So

32:34

did he get mad at you after you talked to him? He

32:37

seemed pretty pissed while I was off to him. Why

32:40

did he seem so pissed?

32:41

It's his sister

32:44

that told his dad I do pissed

32:46

at something I have a my sister to. Carl's

32:49

story was suspicious and he was acting sweaty

32:52

and strange.

32:53

You seem pretty nervous. Is there any particular reason

32:55

why you're nervous?

32:57

I'm not really

32:59

nervous. I don't really like being

33:01

in the couch stations. Did

33:04

you use the date, Sidney? Yeah. When?

33:07

It's late March in Liverpool.

33:09

How long?

33:10

About a week.

33:12

One week? Why had

33:14

it in so quick? Well, she got

33:16

mad one day because I didn't take her fishing.

33:20

And she just left. So

33:22

I went up to school the next day and I'm like, if you

33:25

act like I ain't known,

33:27

you're done. So

33:29

you broke up with her and she didn't break up with you? Yeah,

33:32

that's good.

33:33

So you're making statements, any

33:35

advice about being mad at Sidney? I

33:38

was mad for a little bit, but I got over it. Why

33:41

were you mad at her since you broke up with her? Just

33:44

the way she acted when we were

33:46

together. Which was how? She

33:49

didn't get a question on that. But

33:51

Carl said that he and Sidney only dated

33:54

for a week or so. And

33:56

that they did normal couple stuff.

33:59

up wasn't that big of a deal. The

34:02

longer the detectives talked to Carl, the more they realized

34:05

he was just a nervous,

34:15

lying teenager.

34:18

Do you remember where you were on Sunday night,

34:21

the 18th? I was sitting at home. It was a pretty quick answer.

34:23

How do you know where you were that long ago? I just remember, you

34:26

know, I remember when

34:28

I'm down, you know, every once in a while.

34:37

Carl claimed he was home with his friend,

34:40

James Glazier. Nothing

34:42

happened. They just hung out. Carl

34:45

wove a story as he nervously tapped

34:47

his toe

34:49

and stuttered. What did you hear about what happened to her? About

34:51

her missing. Like, Monday afternoon. Just

34:53

last Monday? Hard Monday before. And then

34:56

before, you can find out,

34:59

check to all the men you all day,

35:00

no sitting missing.

35:03

And

35:10

when did you find out that...

35:16

He was sitting

35:17

there. Just

35:20

a

35:21

couple of days ago, you know, it was on these.

35:24

Nobody told you, you just saw them on these? Nobody's

35:29

talked to you about it since then? Not

35:31

really.

35:32

After the interview,

35:34

detectives took Carl back to his grandfather's

35:36

house, where he'd been living for a while.

35:40

When

35:40

they walked onto the property, the police

35:42

were taken through the garage and spotted

35:44

something jarring,

35:46

a pile

35:48

of cinder blocks and

35:50

the same orange ratchet

35:52

straps, the exact

35:55

same two things that

35:57

had been tied to Sydney's death.

35:59

dead body in the creek.

36:03

They immediately arrested

36:05

Carl and took him back to the station.

36:08

Before they even read him his rights again, Carl

36:11

said this.

36:12

How you doing, bro? Alright.

36:15

You're nervous as fuck. I'm just hanging there, man, okay? What

36:18

you can tell me how many years I've been looking at if I was a guy? What's

36:21

that? What you can tell me how many years

36:23

I've been looking

36:26

at if I was a guy? If

36:29

you was a guy? Well, you're the guy, you mean? We'll

36:33

talk about that and let Tim come in and we'll talk about

36:35

it all together, okay? Show me

36:37

how you confess to a murder without actually

36:39

confessing to a murder.

36:42

That's how. What is it you need to tell

36:44

us? My person that

36:44

killed me. You were the person that killed me? Cindy Stevens.

36:47

Cindy Stevens. And how'd you

36:49

do that? Well, none of the doors

36:51

were

36:53

unlocked. So

36:56

I climbed up on the porch. That

37:02

door was unlocked so I walked in there.

37:06

You're talking about Cindy

37:08

Stevens? I

37:11

walked out there where she usually was at.

37:15

Yeah, she was there that night.

37:17

So I woke her up, told

37:19

her, hey, let's go. She

37:22

didn't want to so I showed her out.

37:25

You

37:25

already in the car? Whose car? My

37:28

car. Carl spoke quietly

37:31

as he confessed to kidnapping Cindy

37:33

out of her bedroom that Saturday night and

37:36

stuffing her into

37:38

his car.

37:39

When you say you've choked her out, what do you

37:41

mean by that? So it's just passed

37:43

out. With your hands? Yeah. And

37:48

she didn't try to struggle around? She

37:50

tried. Did it scratch you? Didn't

37:52

you nothing like that? She was shaking

37:54

her head no? No, she didn't. So

37:57

who else was in the car?

37:59

Nobody. Okay,

38:02

so did you try

38:04

to restrain her anyway? No, I put

38:06

her in the counter, took her to the brig, shot

38:09

her a couple of times, pushed her off. What

38:11

car were you in? The Pontiac. Your

38:14

grandpa was Pontiac? Did you shoot her while

38:16

she was in the car? No.

38:18

Well, where did you shoot her at then? I'm

38:20

not really too sure. I didn't see where the ball

38:22

was hit. And where was she at? Right

38:24

in on the bridge. Was she passed out

38:27

then or was she away? She was passed out. Was

38:29

she still

38:29

breathing? I didn't see it.

38:31

It didn't seem like it. Carl

38:34

said that after he shot Sydney and

38:36

threw her off the bridge, he

38:39

went back a few days later

38:41

with that ratchet strap and the cinder block

38:44

so he could tie it to her and keep

38:46

her under the water. And how

38:48

many times did you shoot? I

38:50

shot four times. I don't know how

38:53

many times I hit. You shot four times?

38:56

With what? 22 pistol. Where's

38:59

that pistol at? Bottom of the lake.

39:02

What lake? No t-shirts. I'm

39:04

repairing it.

39:05

And show us?

39:08

I really can't remember where it's at. I

39:12

went out and got it from my car. Okay.

39:16

Well, did you get the 22 pistol?

39:17

I found it.

39:20

Well, I know you didn't

39:22

find it, but

39:24

what did that pistol look like? It

39:26

looks like an old-time luke.

39:30

Okay. What was it? Was

39:32

it a Ruger? Yeah, it was a Ruger. Ruger 22.

39:35

Why

39:37

all of a sudden did you decide to do this at this point?

39:40

What triggered it? Did

39:42

you see her somewhere or something? I don't really

39:44

know. I just heard she was a snitch. Okay.

39:48

And is there something she'd snitch on you about? Nothing

39:51

I can think about, but I heard she snitched on with her friends.

39:54

And who's your friend? James. James,

39:57

the one that we talked about being a pot dealer earlier? Yeah. What

40:00

was his last name?

40:02

Carl's story wasn't adding

40:05

up It would have been very

40:07

tough for him to handle this operation all

40:10

on his own Not impossible,

40:12

but

40:13

it's unlikely Plus

40:16

by his own admission Carl dated Sidney

40:18

for a week before they broke up That's

40:22

not much of a motive to murder someone even

40:25

for teenagers

40:26

The cops knew Carl was a part of

40:28

the P-town Saints when they brought in James

40:31

Glazier They found out

40:33

he was also in the gang

40:36

James I know at one time He

40:39

was part of a gang

40:41

right? Mm-hmm. What's the name of that gang? P-town

40:44

Saints. P-town Saints. Are you still part of that gang?

40:46

Yes. You are still part of that gang And what's

40:48

your affiliation with the gang? I

40:51

am the

40:53

head of the Dormant

40:55

man

40:56

With his childlike speech impediment

40:59

James seemed years younger than

41:01

he actually was I Mean

41:04

he sounded like about 12 and not But

41:10

in the grand scheme of things these

41:12

boys were all still

41:14

kids

41:15

Their brains were not fully developed yet. And

41:18

here they were at the police station

41:22

Being questioned about a murder

41:25

That's some great parenting guys

41:28

James took his duty as

41:30

head soldier of the P-town Saints

41:32

very seriously and told the cops

41:35

the basic rules of the gang

41:37

We don't hit women we don't Lie

41:41

to each other we don't steal from each other

41:44

and always they'll bite each other aside no matter what

41:46

you said you're starting command Who's

41:49

the two ahead of you? Colin

41:51

Judd Carl who? Hey,

41:55

how do you mean he's the head of you? He's

41:58

second to man. Okay James

42:01

said he was

42:02

at Carl's house the night that Sydney

42:04

disappeared.

42:29

In fact, James had been living

42:31

at Carl's grandpa's house for weeks.

42:34

Now that the cops had Carl's confession, they

42:37

knew that James was

42:39

wrapped up in this too.

42:41

To my knowledge, your name has been brought

42:43

up

42:44

and now you're going to be charged and you're not going to leave

42:46

here. Now's not the time to play games. Now's the time for the end. Now's

42:48

the time for the truth. If

42:51

you want to talk to us, we're more than

42:53

happy to talk to you to get to the bottom

42:55

of it because that little girl did

42:57

not deserve what happened to her.

42:59

I don't know what you're talking about.

43:01

I didn't more than know one. The

43:03

people that was there with you said you were there and you just

43:05

in on it.

43:07

I didn't do anything. I wasn't know

43:09

well.

43:10

I was at Carl's. You were

43:12

with Carl. You know

43:14

where Carl is? I think he's at his

43:17

mom's. No. He's sitting

43:19

back here. He is in jail. For

43:21

what? You think he's in it? He

43:23

is charged with first. He said he did

43:26

with first degree murder. Would he do it? When

43:30

he was with him? When he was with him. I

43:32

was with him. He said he was. And you sat

43:34

here and said he was with him the whole time. Yeah. For

43:36

the last three weeks you've been with him. He left his sight. Everything

43:39

he's done, you've done.

43:41

That's when James asked to stop and have

43:43

an attorney present.

43:45

The cops agreed and left the room. After

43:49

a while they came back and James changed

43:51

his mind. He didn't want a

43:53

lawyer. He was willing to talk. He

43:56

just wanted his mom

43:58

there with him. So they brought

44:00

her into the room.

44:20

There's

44:30

no compromise, okay?

44:32

In other words,

44:33

you either want to talk to us,

44:35

or you don't want to talk to us. Okay? I'll

44:38

talk. No. He's in jail.

44:41

He's in jail. He's in jail. He's

44:43

in jail. He's in jail. He can't

44:45

hurt him. No. He can be on isolation.

44:48

James

44:49

confessed everything. Carl

44:52

hadn't done this alone. And

44:54

there was another boy there from the gang, Robbie

44:57

Mueller.

44:58

We all drove to Sidney's house in Carl's

45:01

grandpa's car.

45:03

Literal. Children.

45:04

Murdering.

45:06

Other children. He told

45:08

us on

45:09

the way what he was doing. And he said, if we

45:11

ever taught, we were dead. Okay. And

45:14

what did he say he told

45:16

you what we were going to do or what did he

45:18

say? He told us that we were going to take

45:21

Sidney to kill him. He told us we were

45:23

going to. And he had the

45:25

gun down his head, a .22 pistol. And

45:28

we didn't cooperate. He would shoot us on the spot.

45:31

When

45:31

they got to Sidney's house, James

45:33

and Carl snuck in together while

45:35

Robbie waited outside as the lookout.

45:39

The other people told me to wake her up and say,

45:41

I tried. She tried to run on

45:43

the screen. What kind of tape do you have? I had three little,

45:45

like, white tape. Yes. Okay.

45:49

And then what happened? I

45:51

grabbed up some Tracy and I wake up because

45:53

Tracy woke up cold and I should have

45:55

wanted to kill Tracy. How do you know

45:57

that Carl was going to shoot Tracy?

45:59

Just before we walked in, he said,

46:02

leave no witnesses.

46:04

James tried to get Sydney to come with them,

46:06

but she fought.

46:08

I asked her to be quiet. She started

46:10

walking, and I taped her hands up. So

46:12

I told her to do. And I started taking her mouth

46:15

off. She read this, so your mom, I had to stop

46:17

until I didn't want to. Trace, they died.

46:20

That's when James and Robbie tackled Sydney

46:22

and choked her

46:23

until she passed out. Then

46:25

Robbie and Carl dragged her out the

46:28

door while James pulled the car around.

46:31

They shoved Sydney's limp body inside,

46:34

and Carl took over in the driver's

46:37

seat. And then we got back in the

46:39

car, and Carl told us that we ever thought

46:41

he made this clip. He would kill

46:43

us on the spot. So

46:45

we drove. He did. Where'd

46:47

you guys go? We went down to

46:51

almost to Kutchtown,

46:53

down by the bridge. I closed

46:55

my eyes. Robbie turned around, and

46:57

Carl put like four shots. I hold it.

47:00

Carl shot Sydney and then gave his

47:02

instructions.

47:04

He pointed the other man, Robbie, and told us to push

47:06

her in. Then we did. He told me to

47:08

kick right here until Robbie pushed right here. When I did, the

47:10

whole body went with the head.

47:12

James and Robbie kicked Sydney's lifeless

47:14

body through the rails,

47:16

and she tumbled down into the water

47:19

with a splash.

47:21

The boys got in the car and

47:24

left.

47:24

So then what did you guys do?

47:27

We went back,

47:28

buried the gun, and buried

47:30

the clothes. Where did

47:32

you bury the gun? We buried it

47:35

behind the shit, one of the shit that

47:38

Carl was grabbed by his house. Do you know we've got the gun?

47:41

Yeah.

47:42

Listen to James's reaction here. He's

47:45

truly shocked that the cops

47:47

found the gun they buried.

47:50

Teenagers can be so fucking

47:52

short-sighted.

47:54

Literally stupid.

47:57

Yeah, they think they're so much smarter.

47:59

than everyone else. Have

48:02

you noticed? After

48:04

burying the gun, they

48:06

buried all the clothes they were wearing

48:08

along with their latex gloves.

48:11

Nobody will find those. Just

48:14

like Carl had confessed, they came back

48:16

a few days later and attached the

48:19

cinder block and ratchet straps to

48:21

Sydney's body. The

48:22

detectives

48:24

wanted to know if Chad knew about this. After all,

48:26

he was their

48:41

gang

48:43

leader,

48:44

the original

48:45

gangster.

49:11

And

49:13

Dakota? Ah, well, Dakota had claimed she knew nothing

49:16

about any of this, even

49:18

though she was the

49:40

Queen of the

49:42

P-town Saints.

49:44

But then Tracy said something in passing

49:46

that stopped the detectives dead

49:49

in their tracks. Sydney wrote

49:51

a lot of things down, thoughts,

49:54

feelings, things that were

49:57

kind of weird, in my opinion. Their

49:59

head

49:59

been rumors a while

50:02

back and somewhere written

50:04

down in a notebook

50:08

that Dakota come across. It said

50:10

something about at one point in time, Sidney

50:13

had slept with Chad. The

50:15

Dakota played it off like she was the

50:17

most confident girl in the world. She

50:20

was always a little skeptical of Chad

50:22

when it came to other girls. Do

50:25

you ever look at the cell phone? No.

50:28

I was going to say don't even go.

50:30

Don't even go. It's only a single text. Most

50:32

of the time the text message is gaining. Okay.

50:35

Did you look at the cell phone that night? No.

50:38

When was the, when did you look at it? I kind of look

50:40

at it somewhere in the room sometimes. Because

50:44

there's been, I've heard sometimes he

50:46

was cheating on me so I wouldn't do a phone speaking and

50:48

I never see anything. It's just people

50:50

trying to start stuff. Sometimes

50:53

people aren't starting stuff. When

50:55

people sometimes they just don't know how

50:58

to go about. Somebody

51:00

that they know that they like, that they care about.

51:04

He'd be a pre-bo

51:07

like he's messing around on you. I

51:09

hope he's not. What would happen

51:11

if he was messing around on you? I'd be very

51:14

very very upset when he was coming

51:16

here. If Dakota admitted

51:19

she would be very very very upset

51:21

if Chad cheated on her with another girl,

51:24

how much rage would fill

51:26

her if she thought that girl

51:30

was her own

51:31

little sister? No.

52:13

Sidney Stevens was a troubled teen

52:16

with bipolar disorder and

52:18

a history of running away from home. But

52:21

this time, she'd really gone missing.

52:25

She was found dead in

52:27

a creek and her ex-boyfriend, Carl

52:29

Dane, along with his friends James Glazier

52:32

and Robbie Mueller, had

52:34

admitted to kidnapping and murdering Sidney.

52:37

The boys all belonged to a gang named

52:39

the P-town Saints and

52:42

the head of the gang, Chad Bennett, also

52:45

happened to be Sidney's older sister's

52:47

boyfriend. Carl,

52:49

James, and Robbie were

52:51

all arrested for Sidney's murder. But

52:55

it was still unclear as to who truly

52:57

killed Sidney.

53:00

James confessed to choking Sidney until

53:02

she passed out while Carl

53:04

admitted to shooting her. However,

53:08

if she was already dead when Carl shot

53:10

her, then James was the one who

53:12

actually caused her initial death, not

53:15

Carl. The police needed

53:17

to figure this out, if

53:20

only for the benefit of

53:22

the family. Sidney's

53:24

sister, Dakota, and Chad basically

53:27

walked free. Dakota

53:30

was arrested briefly for obstructing an investigation

53:33

but was released. There

53:35

was nothing concrete tying them to

53:37

the murder other than the suspected motive

53:40

and their affiliation. Carl,

53:43

James, and Robbie didn't have

53:45

any real motive to murder.

53:47

Sidney either,

53:49

other than the fact that they didn't like her.

53:52

But Dakota had a motive. She

53:56

thought Sidney had slept with Chad and she

53:58

was sick of the fact that

53:59

She had to babysit her sister's mental

54:02

illness all of the fucking time.

54:05

While Carl, James, and Robbie

54:08

sat in jail,

54:09

Dakota and Chad went on living their

54:12

lives. They even talked about getting

54:14

married. Tracy was beside

54:17

herself. Because

54:18

Chad got Dakota something for her

54:20

birthday that costs over $800 and she

54:23

thinks it's an engagement ring.

54:25

Dakota was about to turn 18 and Tracy

54:27

knew that her daughter would no

54:29

longer be under her legal guardianship.

54:32

I'm here to get this. She's going to take off and go marry

54:34

Chad in 12, 13 more days.

54:37

Like the police,

54:39

Tracy also had a feeling

54:41

that he was behind Sydney's murder

54:43

plot. So Tracy asked

54:46

her boyfriend's daughter

54:48

to try to

54:49

talk with Dakota.

54:51

And I had text Laura and

54:53

a couple other family members asking them to

54:56

please talk to her

54:58

to not marry this jerk basically

55:01

because I talked to her until I'm purple in the face

55:03

and it gets me nowhere. Well, Laura,

55:05

instead of calling to talk to her, actually came out to

55:07

mine and Randy's house this evening inside outside

55:10

for a

55:10

couple of hours actually,

55:12

at least. She was outside

55:15

with nobody else around and she

55:18

more opened up to Laura than she

55:21

has with me or anything else. She

55:23

would say things about Chad and how much

55:25

his involvement was and

55:28

Dakota would either agree

55:31

or disagree with what she was

55:33

saying.

55:34

The cops got Laura on the phone and

55:37

she relayed what Dakota

55:39

had confessed. I said, but

55:42

if Chad is so innocent,

55:45

then let the evidence prove that he's innocent

55:48

and you have nothing to

55:48

worry about. I said, but

55:51

you're sitting here worried right now.

55:54

So correct me if I'm wrong.

55:57

And she just kind of looked up and she started bawling and

55:59

I said,

55:59

you know more

56:02

than

56:04

people know you know. And I

56:05

know that. I said, and I have known that. And

56:09

she just, all she'd do is kind of shake her head, yeah,

56:12

shake her head, yeah, shake her head, yeah. And

56:14

I said, now you tell me, is it

56:17

fair? You

56:19

want to keep your boyfriend, but your mom didn't get to keep

56:22

her daughter. And

56:24

I just kind of, and it sounds

56:25

horrible because I was crying to you honest to God, I do

56:27

care about the girl, but I just kind of

56:29

kept, and it sounds mean, but I just kept kind of breaking her down and

56:31

breaking her down and breaking her down. And I

56:34

said, now look,

56:36

let me help you. I can

56:38

help you. I can help you have a future.

56:41

You can go to college. You can, you know, all

56:43

the reality of things. I

56:46

said, or you can keep things the way they

56:48

are and either end up in prison because you look like

56:50

a liar, because you're not talking, or

56:53

end up in a mental institution

56:55

because it'll fester at you enough, you'll lose your mind.

56:58

Dakota was a scared little girl

57:00

pretending to be tough.

57:03

So she told Laura she would talk

57:05

to the cops on

57:07

her terms.

57:08

She's like anti-authority 17 year

57:10

old kid. She doesn't want it

57:12

to be an investigation or an interrogation on her.

57:15

And I told her it wouldn't. It'd be polite

57:18

questions being asked. Okay,

57:20

you know, what about this, you know, and

57:23

she, it really needs to be

57:25

anonymous as possible because she's

57:28

scared. I think there's more

57:30

than she even led on to me because she didn't

57:32

say a whole lot,

57:33

but she would agree or disagree.

57:36

There was a lot more than Dakota led

57:38

on and everyone was about to find out.

57:41

In the fall of 2012, Robbie

57:43

Mueller decided to give a proffer

57:46

statement to police,

57:48

clarifying who actually killed Sydney

57:51

that night

57:52

and why they all plotted her murder.

57:55

Maybe Robbie was trying to save his own butt,

57:58

but

57:59

maybe he was.

57:59

telling the truth.

58:01

The state needed to charge these kids.

58:04

Sydney needed justice and this

58:06

would get them one step closer. I

58:09

was by the door and they

58:11

walked up to her. James went

58:14

and put a tape in her mouth and she took it off

58:16

and stood up. And I guess

58:18

I was in jail because she was

58:20

just like normal and didn't act like anything

58:23

was going on. And then Carl had

58:25

to go and point at her.

58:27

And that's when she

58:29

kind of flipped out and James

58:32

grabbed her and they wrestled to the ground

58:34

and everything and Carl

58:36

walked over towards me and stood by

58:38

me. And she

58:41

was kind of out wrestling and

58:43

everything and Carl told me he held

58:46

him. And I went over

58:47

and

58:50

I put her in a choke hold. And

58:52

she went unconscious.

58:58

This is just so sick and vicious.

59:01

These boys had a rule in their gang.

59:04

No hitting women. Yet

59:06

kidnapping and choking a woman until she passed

59:08

out was somehow

59:10

acceptable.

59:12

Started to bring her outside right after I got out the door

59:14

and she walked up again. She

59:16

said put her in it again. I did.

59:22

We ended up stumbling over a, that's

59:25

where the fire was at or something like that because I know

59:27

I tripped and fell on my back. And

59:31

James ended up putting her in a choke hold and

59:34

kept it on her for

59:37

quite a long time. He put her

59:39

in a choke hold again and held it for

59:42

several minutes and

59:44

he stopped to check

59:46

her pulse and there wasn't one in

59:49

less than three, four minutes out

59:51

of guessing.

59:52

According to Robbie, it was James

59:55

who killed Sidney with his choke

59:57

hold.

59:58

If Sidney was dead,

59:59

when they put her in the car

1:00:02

and Carl's gunshots were

1:00:04

not murder. Robbie

1:00:06

also told the cops that the P-Town Saints

1:00:09

had some rules

1:00:10

everyone had to follow. Yeah,

1:00:13

you're not supposed to talk about stuff

1:00:15

on the phone. Not

1:00:18

supposed to

1:00:18

associate with Sidney, which I

1:00:20

would. It's part of the game's

1:00:22

rules, or excuse me, the P-Town

1:00:25

Saints rules. You couldn't

1:00:27

talk to certain people. Hey, mom and Sidney. Yeah.

1:00:31

It was unclear as to who made this rule,

1:00:33

Dakota, Chad, or Carl,

1:00:36

but it was a rule that the gang had

1:00:38

written down on paper

1:00:40

and told every member to memorize

1:00:43

and follow. Robbie then

1:00:45

said that he heard Chad, James, and

1:00:47

Carl

1:00:49

planning Sidney's kidnapping

1:00:51

and murder. So it was Carl,

1:00:53

James,

1:00:53

and Chad, who

1:00:55

said my Chad's truck, I

1:00:58

went and used the bathroom. I came out of

1:01:00

the stand by his truck and the only word

1:01:02

I overheard was, oh, and I want to do it.

1:01:05

And I'll make sure Dakota leaves the door locked.

1:01:08

Did you hear that?

1:01:09

I'll make sure Dakota leaves the door unlocked?

1:01:13

James, Carl, and Robbie were all

1:01:15

looking at life sentences.

1:01:17

If they could prove their involvement,

1:01:20

Chad and Dakota could face the

1:01:22

same. The town was disgusted

1:01:26

with the savage murder and

1:01:28

the state wanted these bullies to pay.

1:01:31

About a week after Robbie's proffer

1:01:33

statement,

1:01:34

the cops had Dakota back in to

1:01:36

talk. Now she

1:01:39

had dyed pink hair and

1:01:41

it was cut short.

1:01:43

She looked skinny and sickly

1:01:45

as she sat down. Here's the thing.

1:01:47

Jessica

1:01:50

tells us that she made a statement

1:01:53

about you knew that

1:01:55

they were going to try to scare Sidney.

1:01:59

murder. Jessica tells

1:02:02

us that. Okay. Jessica

1:02:04

also tells us that

1:02:06

you unlocked

1:02:09

the door for T.A.T.T. The sliding

1:02:11

glass door. Remember on the balcony? She

1:02:13

said you guys talked about that. Now

1:02:15

you remember when I talked to you about

1:02:17

that? You never would admit to me that

1:02:20

you unlocked the door

1:02:23

for T.A.T.T. Why

1:02:25

would Jessica tell you? Tell

1:02:29

us. She has nothing

1:02:31

to gain. She has nothing to

1:02:34

gain. She didn't... The reason she's saying that is she's

1:02:36

saying that you believe that this is supposed

1:02:44

to what you told her. Is that you believed

1:02:46

that they were going to come and scare her. She's

1:02:49

causing the sleep in the old T.A.T.T. with

1:02:52

Sydney and T.A.T.T. possibly sleeping together.

1:02:58

Well, she was briefly locked up.

1:03:00

Dakota confessed to her cellmate

1:03:04

that she had left the door unlocked so

1:03:06

the boys could scare Sydney. And

1:03:09

she did it because her sister had slept

1:03:11

with T.A.T.T.T. She's saying

1:03:14

that

1:03:16

you did it so that

1:03:18

they could come in and scare her.

1:03:20

Not to kill her.

1:03:21

And, you

1:03:23

know, she's not getting to

1:03:26

this. She

1:03:29

was in the receiving. She told

1:03:31

me she knew

1:03:32

the people who killed her sister. She

1:03:35

would have done

1:03:37

it. I mean, that's too detailed.

1:03:38

This doesn't make sense. What

1:03:41

you're saying. I don't remember

1:03:43

telling her.

1:03:45

And this one here, she

1:03:48

says that you come in

1:03:51

and told how much you hated your sister

1:03:54

and was glad that she was gone.

1:04:00

I never saw her. I think it's only for

1:04:02

her to do what my mom did. She was like, I

1:04:04

don't like her. But when it seemed like

1:04:06

Amy registered her, I think she was apparently

1:04:09

sleeping with my boyfriend, but I never knew it

1:04:11

was true enough. It's what I told her. And then

1:04:14

she asked me

1:04:14

if I needed my children. I really didn't know

1:04:17

that I needed you to have me before, but I

1:04:19

didn't think that Cindy would want to do that to hurt

1:04:21

me.

1:04:22

While Dakota was whimpering to

1:04:24

the officers,

1:04:25

Chad was down the hall and they

1:04:27

were about to arrest him.

1:04:29

Do you think Chad is going to protect you anymore? No.

1:04:32

He wasn't doing it. He did it. Well,

1:04:35

you know, I think Chad was protecting himself

1:04:37

at the beginning. All

1:04:40

those interviews that we conducted with him and also

1:04:43

thinking he was protecting you. But what

1:04:45

you have to understand is

1:04:48

Chad's already being arrested right

1:04:50

now too. One of these days,

1:04:52

once Chad and I tell us that's going

1:04:55

to hurt you down the road. I had

1:04:56

everything to do with it.

1:04:58

That's what you said meant too, that he

1:05:00

may say something like that. Yeah. But

1:05:02

you know what? You're the one that's

1:05:04

here first right now with us and you're the one that can make

1:05:06

it right first. Okay. You're

1:05:09

the one that's been, you're the one

1:05:11

that's been hurting this entire...

1:05:14

You're the one that's been living

1:05:16

with

1:05:16

this entire... So what

1:05:19

is it? What is it? What

1:05:23

did he ask you? Okay.

1:05:26

Okay. The police pressed

1:05:28

Dakota for hours until she finally

1:05:31

cracked. It took two

1:05:33

years, but she admitted

1:05:36

to the truth. What did

1:05:38

you do to that door?

1:05:39

Tell me.

1:05:42

Huh? What

1:05:44

did you do? He told

1:05:46

me to move along. It was pretty short. Okay.

1:05:49

Look at it. Take your hands away. Come out and look

1:05:51

at me. You're the one...

1:05:53

He's always on

1:05:55

the wrong tour, but he never says so.

1:05:58

And you unlocked the door.

1:05:59

The

1:06:18

P-town

1:06:22

Saints had planned Sidney's

1:06:24

kidnapping and murder together.

1:06:28

Dakota was aware,

1:06:30

even though she didn't know everything.

1:06:33

She unlocked the door so they could execute

1:06:35

their plan.

1:06:37

James strangled Sidney

1:06:40

until she was dead.

1:06:41

Carl drove the car and shot Sidney.

1:06:44

Robbie was forced to go along at

1:06:47

gunpoint.

1:06:48

All the boys together rolled Sidney into

1:06:51

the creek and tied her down with a cinder

1:06:53

block.

1:06:55

And Chad,

1:06:56

Chad allegedly provided

1:06:59

the guns.

1:07:01

Chad organized the plan. Chad motivated

1:07:04

his crew. But Chad kept

1:07:06

his hands clean. He

1:07:09

was the OG. After all,

1:07:12

he didn't have to get his hands dirty. He

1:07:15

just had to point his finger and say, go. Fifteen-year-old

1:07:20

Robbie Mueller took a reduced sentence

1:07:22

for his proffer statement. He

1:07:24

was originally given 26 years, but

1:07:27

after some complications with his lawyer,

1:07:30

the appeal, and a heartfelt

1:07:32

court date where he received Tracy

1:07:34

Stevens' forgiveness,

1:07:36

he was given a lighter sentence.

1:07:39

He will be out this year.

1:07:42

James Glazier got 60 years. Carl

1:07:46

Dane pleaded guilty to murder and was given 60

1:07:49

years as well. But

1:07:52

the day before he was supposed to be transported

1:07:55

to the prison,

1:07:57

he hung himself

1:07:58

in his cell. Chad

1:08:00

Bennett was initially arrested for kidnapping,

1:08:03

home invasion, and first-degree murder,

1:08:06

but in 2013, all the charges were dropped.

1:08:10

The DA filed a nole prosequi,

1:08:13

which means he did not wish

1:08:15

to prosecute the case at the time.

1:08:18

The reason? There weren't any

1:08:21

witnesses to testify.

1:08:23

All the living P-town Saints as well as Dakota

1:08:25

refused to testify against their

1:08:28

precious leader, even

1:08:30

though they were offered immunity.

1:08:32

Dakota Wall was given 26

1:08:35

years on the home

1:08:37

invasion charge.

1:08:39

She is now out of prison and

1:08:42

living her life.

1:08:44

Judging by her Facebook page, she seems to

1:08:46

be doing just great, and by the

1:08:49

looks of it, she's even got a new

1:08:51

boyfriend. Sydney

1:08:53

Stevens may have been a pain

1:08:56

in the butt little sister who required as much

1:08:58

attention as the next needy

1:09:00

teenager, but that was

1:09:02

Sydney. She was 15. What

1:09:06

15-year-old isn't a bit annoying,

1:09:09

moody, and headstrong. She

1:09:12

had an unstable upbringing

1:09:14

and a lot of severe mental issues.

1:09:18

What Sydney needed was love

1:09:20

from her family,

1:09:21

so she would know that there

1:09:23

was more to life than

1:09:26

the sad little cycle she was stuck in.

1:09:29

Instead she got neglected, rejected

1:09:32

by her big sister, and

1:09:35

left downstairs in

1:09:37

the basement. Sydney

1:09:39

would likely have grown up and matured

1:09:41

into a decent young woman. Maybe

1:09:44

she would have found therapy and tackled

1:09:47

her demons head on.

1:09:49

Maybe not.

1:09:51

We're all imperfect.

1:09:53

We all have our own problems.

1:09:56

The point isn't what Sydney could

1:09:58

have become. The point

1:10:01

is, she never got the chance

1:10:03

to

1:10:03

try to become because

1:10:06

of her own sister.

1:10:09

And four displaced, dysfunctional

1:10:12

boys who decided to

1:10:14

try to prove to each other just how tough

1:10:17

they all really were

1:10:19

at killing

1:10:21

a defenseless teenage girl. The

1:10:24

P-town Saints were a bunch

1:10:26

of children playing gangster. Now

1:10:30

one of them is dead and the other will

1:10:32

be in jail until he dies.

1:10:35

And Chad?

1:10:36

Well,

1:10:37

Chad finally got his.

1:10:41

In 2018, he pleaded guilty to the

1:10:43

home invasion charge in order to avoid the

1:10:45

first degree murder. He

1:10:48

was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Speaking

1:10:51

of years, it took eight of them. But

1:10:55

justice was finally

1:10:58

served. Rest

1:11:00

in peace, Sydney. You

1:11:03

didn't find love in

1:11:05

this world.

1:11:07

But maybe

1:11:09

you'll find peace in

1:11:11

the next.

1:11:42

Well, that's gonna wrap it up here. Thank

1:11:44

you for joining us once again. If

1:11:47

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1:12:31

great show.

1:12:34

Calling

1:12:37

to Wayne on the figure debate. So, let

1:12:39

me give you a little background. I

1:12:41

watched a lot of Formula One MotoGP

1:12:44

ended space out of Europe. And

1:12:46

all the commentators are English and

1:12:48

they play figure. So I'm pretty

1:12:51

sure they invented the

1:12:53

English

1:12:53

language. So I think he went on the formula.

1:13:24

If the stories

1:13:27

we tell don't

1:13:29

keep you up at

1:13:32

night, then congratulations.

1:13:45

I

1:13:50

don't know how you do it.

1:13:51

For me, I need a little sleep. And

1:13:53

the anxiety of modern day

1:13:56

life and all the hustle

1:13:58

and bustle of running a business.

1:13:59

and all the other things I gotta do every

1:14:02

day. It's exhausting.

1:14:04

Yet somehow I still can't get a

1:14:06

good night's sleep. Probably because my

1:14:08

mind will just not shut

1:14:10

down for a little while. You know, losing

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sleep can cause weight gain, mood

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issues, poor mental health, and definitely

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lower productivity.

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Sleeping less than six to seven hours

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per night is linked to reduced white blood

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cell count. And white blood cells protect

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your body against illness and disease, fighting

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had a couple of health scares in

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my growing old age. And one

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