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Welcome to Syntax Episode Seven

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Seventy Eight This is the

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eleven habits of highly effective

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developers is actually a show

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we did maybe six years

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ago. I and it was. I was

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looking through and less of arch our top show's

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over the years and this is actually one we

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did on you tube six years ago and it

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really well on I thought. You

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know what? That quality.

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of that was not very good but. The.

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Content of that was excellent and I'm

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curious to see if we are the

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six years later if our thoughts are

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still the same of these things. So

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we're going to go through eleven habits

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of highly effective developers and explain our

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thoughts behind each of them and how

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you can sort of level up your

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career and become a better developer. My

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name is West I'm a developer from

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Canada with me as always as Mr.

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do good? It is crazy windy

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here in Denver. There are down

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branches everywhere. Man. The wind

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is unreal, so if a tree falls

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on my office in the middle of

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this recording an. Hour

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I guess. Just hope that it does

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not land on my head because driving

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any right here just near their rock

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and man, A, it's crazy. So I

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yeah, we were actually walk into our

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kids acker practice yesterday a here and

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there were so many we're just stepping

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over giant branches because he was this

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windy yesterday too. We're just like stepping over

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giant branches. I'm just like I hope one of

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these does not fall on my my head while

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I'm walking To practice here. So hey, I'm doing

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good, man. It's just uh, I'm getting blown away

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by the wind. How you doing? I'm

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doing pretty good. Pretty good. Ready

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to rock on these habits So

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first one we have here is

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habit number one is you understand

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stakeholder in business goals. So a

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developer a good developer understands

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the all of the pieces of of

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actually writing software and how to contribute

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to those types of things and how

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to Architect software, but I think a

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great developer can go one step further

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and understand Why are

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we doing this type of thing? You

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know, like not only am I concerned

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with Making

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this code work really well, but

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i'm concerned with the end user

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that is using this application The

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business goals that we have to do with

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this application are x y and z so

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if I can have context into Who

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cares about this, right? That's a fancy way

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of saying who the stakeholders are and and

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how is this business actually trying to make

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money? I've talked many times in the past

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of when I used to build websites As

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like a freelancer, I would talk to the to

3:13

users a yes about the tech that

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we'd use but b What

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do you do what's your end game are

3:19

you trying to use this website to get more

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leads? Are you trying to show up in google?

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Are you trying to provide information to people who

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are visiting? What are they looking for when they

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visit your website? So understanding the larger picture I

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think is a extremely Useful

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habit. Yeah, and we talked a

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little bit about this in a recent episode 754

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how to level up your your Career

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we talked about needing to understand

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stakeholders in business goals But you

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might be wondering about like why

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in particular that matters to the

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developer, you know, that's somebody else's job I'm the

3:51

developer. I just pushed the code out I

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think it distinctly matters with

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the Not only the care, but

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maybe like the direct. Action in handling

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of the user experiences they

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are coding up. If the

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goal of this thing is

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to bring delight or if

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it's do feel very smooth

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and professional. He. You.

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Wanna be a a good developer

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and like. Account. For those

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you why things regardless, right? You want the

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experience to feel good. But.

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If you understand that this is of

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the highest importance, that this thing feels

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and looks pristine when you're using it.

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Because. Of these following business goals,

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then you might take a different approach

4:34

to some of that user interface programming.

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But more importantly, you're gonna be motivated

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to work on these things in a

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different way. But you'll also be able

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to accomplish the goals of the stakeholders

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and the business goals. and it's gonna

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make you look really good professionally so

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you'll do better work. If you understand

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the goals, you'll have context for the

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code that you're writing and why it

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matters. and ultimately I think it's is

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going to make you look good in

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the eyes of. Your management.

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Is in. Some people are really as I

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do that. I say this because I know

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we talked about this a loaded before. Some

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people are a little cynical about all that

5:12

that stuff and I understand being cynical about

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a crappy jobs or you know, feeling maybe

5:16

potential exploited by your crappy job. but I

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think there is a sweet spot there as

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when you have respect within your organization it

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is a good thing to. You

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know, I guess not like go above

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and beyond but to understand the bigger

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picture here and be be at a

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different kind of impact maker for your

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team. Next one is habit number two.

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you're always curious in always learning. and

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this is something that is hard

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to cultivates but i think it really

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can be solved through motivation understanding with

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things get you going about web development

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were like building me personally alley building

5:52

little tools for myself i like

5:54

building school little javascript things i like

5:56

building need css kind of working with

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new a p new technologies

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so to be curious and always learning

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for me involves really watering that like

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if I'm a plant I'm watering those

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skills all the time because those are

6:10

the things that I really truly enjoy

6:12

about this stuff and it keeps me

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curious and it keeps me always learning

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the moment that you really start to fall

6:19

back into the same thing all the time

6:21

every time you can get stuck doing the

6:23

same thing for the rest of

6:25

your career you know yeah and next thing

6:27

you know you're the the cold fusion guy

6:29

at the place that's running a cold

6:31

fusion app although I think

6:33

some of those cold fusion devs are probably

6:36

making bank right now that's what you want

6:38

to do maybe maybe that's what

6:40

you're learning about maybe you're learning about the

6:42

intricacies about those other platforms it all the

6:44

truth on what the guys that are doing

6:46

that are the ones

6:48

that know the ins and outs of

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it but like this this industry is

6:52

always changing it's never going to slow

6:54

down and I think

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at least for me one of the

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big anti burnout things is constantly learning

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new things constantly checking things out it

7:03

can be a little bit overwhelming I

7:05

think at points where there everything is

7:08

always new and you just want it

7:10

to slow down but I think

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what we're trying to emphasize here is that like

7:14

that curiousness of how does this work how like

7:17

when we were at React Miami is 11 p.m.

7:20

at night and we're trying to figure out how

7:22

the McDonald's order screens are working

7:24

which we posted on Twitter we got some really

7:26

good feedback as the apparently is running on silver

7:28

light but like those questions are

7:30

always turning over in my mind is

7:33

what is this running on how is this working what

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is somebody using to complete this task

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and I think that's a very great

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habit to have absolutely next

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habit we have number three is

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you have an open mind about

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new technology so there is

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sort of two extremes you can go

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to in this whole world of web

7:54

development it is jumping on

7:56

every new shiny thing Ever

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imaginable only to. The. People

8:01

realize maybe that wasn't such a good

8:03

idea and and switch away from and

8:05

them and then the other side is

8:07

just never taking on anything his new

8:09

stuff is is crappy in these tips

8:11

or developers are are just trying to

8:14

make more problems for themselves and can

8:16

imagine why we want to use that.

8:18

It's I think there's a very good

8:20

bounce sort of in between where. You.

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Understand. There. Is

8:25

new technology. And if your

8:27

initial reaction to everything new as that's

8:29

a bad idea. I've certainly been

8:32

there in a maze homes in my life

8:34

where you see a in a new approached

8:36

her own writing something or a new. Like

8:38

when react was announced everybody thought it was

8:40

a stupid idea. Lot of people still think

8:42

it's a stupid idea but poo pooing it

8:44

right out of the gates is. Not.

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A very good habit to have and

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and at. Least saying. Oh.

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That's. Interesting. Some developers have an

8:54

idea. As. To how to approach

8:56

this problem. Let me hear them out. Lemmy

8:58

explore this technology. Let me understand what it's

9:01

all about. I may disagree with it that

9:03

certainly find but having an open mind to

9:05

sort of I say as other people may

9:07

have other ideas that I might not have

9:10

thought of his again. Very. Successful

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habit. Now I have a note

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here that things exist for a reason. People

9:17

don't just make things for no reason you

9:19

know user especially smart people. People have been

9:21

in this industry a long time, so if

9:23

you if there's certain people that have already

9:25

created. Things. That are

9:27

very effective in they create something new

9:29

and you're looking at this like our

9:31

know why you'd need this. Maybe the

9:33

issue is with how you're approaching in

9:35

are thinking and me we just had

9:37

your hands on to talk about assists.

9:40

And I was looking at a fact. In.

9:43

Fact that T s or effect that website

9:45

and leaders their actual website and the first

9:47

time I looked at a fact as it

9:49

might get i don't do I need this

9:51

This seems like a lot of work then

9:54

actually getting some time with it and working

9:56

in languages and things that it. That said.

9:58

You. know was emulating I

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was like oh, yeah, I really see what they're

10:03

trying to do here with effect But

10:05

at first glance I look at the code

10:07

and it looks foreign to me

10:09

and the first thing you say is odd I

10:11

don't I don't know what this is. I must

10:13

not like garbage, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it's not

10:16

the thing I'm used to looking at therefore it's

10:18

bad Yeah,

10:20

I have the same reaction with a lot of

10:22

things sod I ended up really liking zod drizzle

10:25

I ended up really liking drizzle it

10:27

is just it's not that I'm a bad

10:29

take machine or something like that Yeah, it's

10:31

that again when you don't

10:33

understand things It's really easy to

10:36

look at them from a perspective

10:38

of that. It's maybe perhaps not

10:40

what I asked It's tough.

10:42

I get this a lot whenever I

10:44

post anything new about CSS on

10:47

on Twitter I get flooded

10:49

with comments of people being like

10:53

CSS was a mistake. It's garbage and Just

10:56

because you don't understand what it does

10:59

like a complex selector

11:01

and people are like, this is awful Just

11:04

because you don't understand what it's doing because you

11:06

haven't learned it yet doesn't mean it is bad

11:09

Again, it might be bad. It might be a

11:12

confusing way to do it But you're

11:14

if your initial reaction is I don't

11:16

understand it therefore. It's garbage I

11:18

don't think you're that's a sign

11:21

if not a very good developer. Yes It's

11:23

a sign of a developer who will lack

11:25

professional growth in there What

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they're they're working in habit number four

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you ask for help asking

11:32

for help is not a sign of

11:34

weakness It's a sign of curiosity it's

11:36

a sign of you have problems that

11:38

you've created or perhaps that you've been

11:41

assigned to fix that someone else created

11:43

and You could

11:46

be out out to lunch on where to even

11:48

go from this asking for help

11:52

Is one of those things that can save you

11:54

a whole lot of time. I know this I

11:56

don't want to ask for help oftentimes The

11:59

amount of time. According will tell

12:01

me to call someone and I will

12:03

say no. I got it. Let me

12:05

do such as a classic. as a

12:07

classic beards joke I will. I do

12:09

not need to ask for directions. I

12:12

know where to go. You

12:14

don't always know where to go. Asking for

12:16

directions can save you hours or days know.

12:18

Sometimes it's good to non ask for help

12:20

because you can will pick up a lot

12:22

of things on the way. But if you're

12:24

totally in the dark. You're.

12:27

Not going to have certainly everything be

12:29

illuminated right away for no reason. So.

12:31

Asking for help. especially first. Vote.

12:34

For somebody that you know and trust

12:36

their opinion of is a great thing

12:38

here So many times and bless that

12:40

I have the resources west boss to

12:42

paying and say. Hey it's.

12:44

It's a terrible idea and sometimes

12:46

sometimes you just say you'll respond

12:48

back like. Wisest. Difference

12:51

in this and I'll say. Gosh,

12:54

Darn it he got he sees right

12:56

it's I'm different than this. Was I

12:58

thinking So yeah it's great and yeah

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I I find night. At

13:02

one of the biggest benefits me. Of

13:05

asking for help. His yeah, okay. It's

13:07

a quick fix to this type of thing.

13:10

but the other huge benefit as sometimes people.

13:12

Who are not in it As you

13:14

are in there are there are like

13:17

six thing step back. Sometimes they can

13:19

ask questions that are like. Didn't

13:22

even think about that. You know something

13:24

like that. They don't understand that I'm

13:26

I'm in this very obtuse like a

13:28

set of things and like no, I'm

13:30

not going to change the entire language

13:32

for this one problem that I'm trying

13:34

to solve, but often it's like hates.

13:36

ah maybe if he approaches in different

13:38

way. Take. Two steps back, then

13:40

it's It's a little bit more helpful

13:42

and that brings us to the next

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habit. Have a five which is you

13:47

help others So when somebody is asking

13:49

for help. Often.

13:52

I've. Like as some of the best help I've

13:54

got. His people are scientists. They. ask

13:56

good questions and trying understand kind of where

13:58

you're at and that's really good rubber

14:00

duck debugging and whatnot. And

14:03

they will try to help. They'll

14:05

ask questions like that are a bit step

14:07

back, which is good as well. But they'll also

14:09

try to understand the context for where

14:12

you're at as well. Instead of trying to say, scrap

14:15

that, use this entire totally

14:17

set of different libraries and

14:19

languages and whatnot, which is not helpful

14:21

as well. So I think that if

14:24

you want to grow as a software developer, helping

14:27

others through the things that

14:30

they are struggling with is a

14:32

great way to sort of grow.

14:34

And I've learned a whole

14:36

lot teaching in person. I

14:39

spent many of my early years on Stack

14:41

Overflow. I spent many of my early

14:43

years in IRC channels. Obviously

14:45

I have my own massive Slack room

14:48

that people are asking questions all day

14:50

long in being able to put yourself

14:52

in their shoes, understand where things are

14:55

being frustrating is a huge

14:57

growth opportunity for you as a software

14:59

developer. Yeah,

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I absolutely totally agree on

15:04

this. I think me

15:06

personally, I got

15:09

my start in this regard. Like

15:11

you said, IRC was like a big one. You kind

15:13

of see the way other people

15:15

are helping or teaching or anything in IRC.

15:18

And if somebody asks a question, I

15:20

remember being a young enough

15:23

developer, somebody asked a question and I have

15:25

this unique piece of knowledge or it's maybe

15:27

not unique and I'm just the guy who's

15:29

there. I couldn't type fast enough

15:31

to get them the answer because it was

15:33

like, oh, that's a little bit of like

15:35

nerd cloud being able to give answers in

15:38

this way. But also, I guess

15:40

that's what the whole premise of Stack Overflow

15:42

really was. But helping others, it can give

15:44

you more experience in application stacks that aren't

15:47

your own. Everybody does things just a little

15:49

bit differently. My favorite thing when helping others

15:51

is If somebody comes to me with a

15:53

reproduction or like potentially, here's a good one

15:55

in the Svelte world. They Have the Svelte

15:58

grapple where you can share and quickly. Share

16:00

code Examples. Somebody comes

16:02

under the spell to discard with a

16:04

rebel of the issue they're having. I

16:06

can solve that thing in no time.

16:08

I you know that that's like the

16:10

the Sweet spot so if somebody is

16:12

coming in with real code it's easy

16:14

to use. It's easy to test out

16:16

help on. Then I get that gif

16:18

that. Muscle. A little bit

16:21

of a a flex. They are not

16:23

just not just for nerd clattering like

16:25

that, but to get your own brain

16:27

out of your own code. I do

16:29

think that is something that we don't

16:31

do often enough. You're very comfortable in

16:33

your own code. You're very comfortable. sit

16:35

on the couch with your muscle memory

16:37

for all the files you need to

16:39

go to in the Css classes you

16:41

know where there. But then you go

16:43

into somebody elses home and everything is

16:45

totally for such as that. A food

16:47

that their mom makes is very different

16:49

than. The food at your mom made

16:51

this Egypt strip ever do not go

16:53

noticeably thousand their parents made some bad

16:56

food or something and definitely thing. Ah,

16:58

I don't know. The. Tennessee. If I

17:00

ever had a situation like that, I

17:02

hear. A lot of my friends

17:04

had really good food. I would have gone over there

17:07

there has ever of. the first time I went to

17:09

my buddy's house he was i greet and they have

17:11

like. Chicken. Drumsticks and like

17:13

I had never. Eaten

17:15

at like off the bone. I pad

17:17

yeah and like. I was

17:20

treat. I don't know I that one specific

17:22

sticks out of my mind, but I often

17:24

I'm ever showing My kids had us either

17:26

drumstick like that when they're young. like yeah,

17:28

this is awesome Murdoch. Or.

17:30

Right off the bone. Yeah, Neanderthal

17:32

Sol Sir. I

17:35

next habit have a number six

17:37

as you have a problem solver

17:39

mentality and this kind of breaks

17:42

down into. A few

17:44

parts and first of all I think

17:46

what Scott was just is being able

17:48

to distill it down into the actual

17:51

problem. Like Scott said like sometimes you

17:53

have this huge application in you have

17:55

a problem and it's very hard to

17:57

ask for help. When.

18:00

You have all of these moving pieces.

18:02

Like the other day I had an

18:04

issue. With. My know Js

18:07

stack. I have I think three different

18:09

servers to run my course platform and

18:11

a proxy them all through a single

18:13

catty server. and then I was tunneling

18:15

them from my local okay server through

18:17

a cloud. flair. Tunnels Nike get them

18:20

publicly exposed because I testing Apple pay

18:22

and and if you use apathy A

18:24

has to be on a publicly public

18:26

domain that is verified says he's in

18:28

clubs are tunnels to proxy that through.

18:30

So I have this like. Fairly

18:33

large thing where it's like i'm

18:35

I look three local node servers,

18:37

a caddy server that also proxies

18:39

http ask like it makes his

18:41

own certs and them club flair

18:43

tunnels and. As act as

18:45

a when had like an issue. sometimes it's

18:47

like I've had that success and like I

18:49

could not figure it out so I just

18:51

had to like slowly. Distill. It

18:54

down into. It

18:56

took the hold node application server out of

18:58

the context and replicated the issue with just

19:01

a caddy server and client slur tunnel or

19:03

and then like I got it small enough

19:05

where I could like me have it to

19:08

somebody else from class or who was helping

19:10

meats and the naked them pick it up

19:12

from their butts that like. Being.

19:15

Able to distill as such as a huge

19:17

skill in my opinion. Yes,

19:19

Being it will it take it a

19:22

step back and solve problems in aim.

19:24

Less. Stressed away Whoop! Really

19:27

really help you. It'll help

19:29

you. Like. You said

19:31

Deconstruct what you're working. I'm being

19:33

able to find even invented or

19:36

creative ways to solve those problems.

19:38

You know, so many people they

19:40

wanna go to. Perhaps.

19:42

The money use the console log or

19:44

to the debug or or I like

19:46

it did the tools that we know

19:48

but they don't ever think like whatever

19:50

they do less conventional methods of debug

19:53

hours. Good comment everything out and start

19:55

commencing things in until he works again.

19:57

That. works for just being able to be

19:59

created and trying to solve these problems. You

20:01

know, it's one thing that like my

20:04

daughter is really into puzzles, right?

20:07

That's all she asks for for her birthday.

20:09

She loves puzzles. She'll do five or six

20:11

puzzles back to back. And I think

20:13

this girl is going to be a

20:16

great engineer because she loves taking a

20:18

situation and seeing a jumbled mess and

20:21

then figuring out what the picture

20:23

is. And I think that's something

20:25

that developers maybe don't do enough

20:27

is we don't look at our

20:29

job as being essentially professional puzzle

20:31

solvers. I am a puzzle solver.

20:34

That is what I do in my job. Typically,

20:37

I have a puzzle. It's

20:39

a UI that needs built. It's a

20:41

bug that's coming about or I'm doing something

20:43

really wild. And I

20:45

have a general idea of the outcome. Like I

20:47

have a finished picture of what this finished puzzle

20:50

will look like. And I have a whole lot

20:52

of pieces and I need to just put

20:54

this thing together and figure out exactly

20:56

what's going on. So being able to

20:58

want to keep your cool when there

21:01

are problems, but to being able to

21:03

take a minute to take a

21:05

bigger picture and think about

21:07

this puzzle or this problem, break

21:10

it down, solve this problem.

21:12

And not only that, I

21:14

think be interested enough or

21:16

excited enough to do that. That's

21:20

a big one. So I have a little example here.

21:22

I'll show the video. My

21:24

mom bought these this light

21:26

the other day at a thrift

21:28

store, and it's like one

21:30

of these little table lights and you touch the top

21:33

and cool. Yeah, it turns on and she's

21:35

like, I bought it. It was two bucks

21:37

and it doesn't work, you know.

21:39

And she's like, I plugged it in for

21:42

a whole day and nothing happened. And for

21:44

a lot of people, like that's the extent

21:46

of their problem solving. You

21:48

know, plugged it in. I

21:50

sometimes you even get a restart out of these people.

21:53

And and that's the extent of it.

21:56

So like, what do I do? Well, I

21:58

open it up and I try to break it down. into

22:00

all the different components, right? So first of

22:02

all, I tested the battery and I charged

22:04

the whole battery. So take the battery out

22:06

of the picture, right? Or no, I didn't

22:08

even charge the battery. I took the battery

22:10

out and I brought in an external

22:13

power supply. So like, I got that. And

22:15

then what else did I do? And then

22:17

I put power directly to the LED lights

22:19

and they turned on. Okay, so that's not

22:21

the LEDs, that's not the battery. And

22:23

then I brought it like into

22:25

the board that turns

22:27

it on and instead of touching

22:30

it, I just shorted the two

22:32

wires together as if I were touching it.

22:34

And that turned it on. Oh, okay. So

22:36

it's obviously an issue with whatever

22:38

it is to turn it on

22:40

right here. It's a capacitive. And then I went

22:42

into YouTube and started researching it. So like, I

22:45

feel like doing that in other

22:47

aspects of my life, not just coding,

22:49

helps me in my

22:52

coding as well because the

22:54

more I fix things, the more I

22:57

break down something into its smaller pieces, I

22:59

feel like I also get better at it

23:01

in my software dev. It

23:04

is wild how related

23:06

those skills end up being. It

23:09

is really one of those things where you

23:11

don't necessarily realize what you're

23:14

doing is software development adjacent until

23:16

you take that bigger picture look.

23:18

Heck, playing a factorial or any

23:20

of those games that are building

23:23

systems and networks and stuff like that. You

23:27

are doing software development. You are solving a

23:29

problem. And those skills will come

23:31

in handy no matter what you're doing. You

23:34

in particular Wes have really opened

23:36

my brain about solving things

23:38

that aren't software related because in my life,

23:41

I would typically in the past have been

23:43

like, all right, software, I got

23:45

this. It's Unix, I know this. But,

23:49

but, like if I were to

23:51

look at my leaf blower or

23:54

my chainsaw or something like that and it stopped

23:56

working, I would be like, I don't know. Now,

23:59

after seeing you open. I just start opening stuff up. I

24:02

don't know what I'm looking for,

24:04

but I'll open it up and just look for things that don't

24:06

look right. Capacitors or who knows what, right? Yeah.

24:12

Often that you throw it in the, like I always

24:14

say, worst case you throw it in the effort bucket

24:16

or you bring it to someone who does know what

24:18

they're doing. You can always learn a thing or

24:20

two, opening it up. Yeah, totally. If it's

24:22

already broken, that's a bad place to start. Yeah,

24:25

right. What are you going to do to

24:27

break it up? Well, kind of, yeah. But

24:29

yeah, right. Yeah, that's frequently me. Yeah, my

24:32

biggest thing less is I lose patience when

24:34

things don't open. You know, like

24:36

you have like those like plastic sometimes I'm

24:38

like the king of being like raw.

24:40

It's like, oh my God, looking it open

24:42

and then regretting it. Can I

24:44

tell you the other day? So

24:47

last season I bought this like a hose

24:50

reel from Home Depot and

24:52

it like you pull it and it winds itself

24:54

back up. And it was like about the like

24:56

twenty five dollar one. And I was like, this

24:58

probably won't last awful reviews, but it was on

25:00

sale for twenty five bucks. I was like, I'm

25:02

going to get it. And it was great. I

25:04

loved it. And then I accidentally pulled it too

25:07

far and the whole hose came out and I

25:09

was like, this is not going to go well

25:11

because you know, the one thing that I hate

25:13

taking apart is anything with springs. Oh,

25:15

yeah. So I start opening it up, trying to

25:17

take it apart and I just start peeling it open all

25:19

of a sudden here. And

25:22

the whole spring became unwound.

25:26

And I took the whole thing and heard

25:28

it. No, I cut the good part off

25:30

the like hose ends and whatnot. OK, OK.

25:32

I hooked it into the garbage. Unfortunately,

25:34

it got a good quality one. That

25:37

is fine. I have one of those two. They roll if

25:39

you're out there and you're wondering if this is something that's

25:41

good for you. I got one on

25:43

Amazon Prime Day for super cheap and it's held up.

25:45

It's been really nice. On

25:48

your thing about Springs West Springs are

25:50

the worst opening

25:52

video game controllers or anything like that. Yeah,

25:54

I'll never get those back together. That

25:57

would actually be funny if computers had Springs inside of them. Make

26:00

me not want to open them Next

26:03

one is habit number seven. You have fun

26:05

with what you do. I have

26:07

fun solving problems So we've talked

26:10

about that already several times in this episode.

26:12

I really do have fun Looking

26:15

at a tangled mess of wires pulling

26:17

them out one by one Rewiring

26:19

them all having it look pretty when I'm

26:21

done with it leaving comments

26:25

Not necessarily writing tests, but I have

26:27

fun doing these these things that are

26:31

I don't know other people might look at a wall of

26:33

code and say man It looks

26:35

daunting or that looks boring

26:37

maybe but for me I have

26:39

so much joy out of solving

26:42

the problems the code is you

26:44

know supplementary to that my my joy

26:46

comes from getting and

26:48

creating things having the freedom

26:50

the ability to just create

26:52

and To me

26:55

having that joy Really

26:57

pushes me through being

27:00

able to do so many things that I don't

27:02

get joy from I'm building

27:04

a video recording app There is not

27:06

a lot of joy in some of

27:08

the minutia of these API's But

27:10

when I actually got a 10-second video

27:12

recorded, yeah, I was like, all right.

27:14

I did it. That's cool I got

27:16

something out of this and we hear

27:18

this from from Randy all the time

27:20

our producer was is really cool

27:22

You guys can just make you know, you you come

27:25

up with an idea and you just say hey I

27:27

can make just make it Yeah, and that's where the

27:29

joy for me comes in Yeah,

27:31

we've done an episode on Just

27:35

like demos a couple couple weeks

27:37

ago and just building little things for

27:39

the sake of building little things and

27:41

that is super fun I

27:43

often think back to one of the

27:46

first talks I did over over 10

27:48

years ago I was

27:50

detailing webcam access

27:53

And I was showing how you could. You could

27:55

write the webcam to a canvas element and then

27:57

once it's in a Canvas element, you can jump.

28:00

The pixels on the canvas element to

28:02

do whatever you want so I didn't

28:04

example where I was just like blocking

28:07

it into had three by three square

28:09

and then randomize in where the pieces

28:11

of the camera went and some guy

28:14

yelled out in the middle of my

28:16

talk when would you ever use that

28:18

men my think about that all the

28:20

time because at this poor guy cannot

28:23

see a i'm having fun but be

28:25

I was learning and explaining how. The.

28:28

Process of getting a video feed, writing it's

28:30

a canvas and then once as in canvas.

28:32

You. Can take blocks of pixels out

28:35

by their width and height. And.

28:37

Move them to other parts of the

28:39

canvas and you can essentially just like

28:41

make your own little photo editing application

28:43

or. Apply filters

28:45

to have video stream

28:47

on campus and. And.

28:50

Or know why it is I often the

28:52

first of all those extremely rude thing to

28:54

do think if he has done when you're

28:56

giving a talk to that poor guys I'm

28:59

up there that like I'm kinda nervous one

29:01

of the very first thought he just yell

29:03

out in the middle of a talk when

29:05

would you ever use that but like also

29:07

if you cannot see past. Just.

29:11

Like. This is a purely functional

29:13

reason why I need to do

29:15

something and the benefits of just

29:18

exploring code in in new features

29:20

then. I don't think you again

29:22

that is not a very good habit of

29:24

developer. Yeah if I were done to look

29:27

at many the things I've done for fun

29:29

that have ended up being really great learning

29:31

experiences If I would have taken that a

29:33

second to say when would you actually use

29:35

that I would have not done most of

29:38

them and I would have an hour. I

29:40

would have missed out on a lot of

29:42

like valuable insight that I gained. Whether or

29:44

not that valuable insight you know made me

29:46

a better Davila I'm now it's a it's

29:48

A he did for definitively but like I

29:51

think. You do miss out on I'm quite a

29:53

bit by not just. Following.

29:55

That joy. next habit

29:57

we have a number is as the understand work

29:59

life Balance burnout is a huge

30:02

thing in our industry where

30:04

you can love what you do. You can go a little

30:06

bit too hard on what you

30:08

do and you can start to

30:10

hate what you do.

30:12

So understanding both that

30:15

there are ups and downs

30:17

in your career. There's certainly times

30:19

in my career where I have wanted to just

30:22

go, go, go, go, go all the time. And

30:24

there's other times in my career where I've just wanted

30:26

to put in my day and

30:29

not think about it at night. And

30:31

I think that's totally fine. Sometimes

30:34

you see people with these GitHubs

30:36

where it's just a wall of

30:38

green for four years and then boom, nothing.

30:42

You often wonder, hmm, what happened there?

30:46

Did they crash really hard? And

30:48

it's often kind of unfortunate. So

30:51

understanding that in order to do your

30:53

best, you need

30:55

to be mindful of, am

30:57

I burning out? I'm going to do

30:59

this thing because the scariest thing to me ever is to

31:02

grow to hate what you do

31:05

for a living. Yeah, you

31:07

don't want to get there. That's firmly

31:09

in burnout mode. And

31:12

the way I like to think about this is there's some video

31:14

games, even cheesy, goofy ones

31:20

where a Mario Party minigame

31:22

or something, where you hit

31:24

the gas button. The

31:27

reason why you don't just hold the gas

31:29

button the whole time is because maybe there's

31:31

like an engine temperature or something like that.

31:33

And that will get past the limit and

31:35

then you'll spin out and everybody will pass

31:37

you. Like that to me feels like a

31:40

major metaphor for burnout in

31:42

web development or any kind of career

31:44

whatsoever. Yeah, you can hold down

31:46

the throttle as long as you want,

31:49

but it will potentially

31:51

overload Your

31:54

engine at some point and you're going to spin out.

31:56

And Who knows if you're ever going to get back

31:58

up to speed, you're just going to be. The waiting

32:00

right? So honestly, I think that work

32:02

life balance is a huge one, you

32:05

know? One thing for me is that

32:07

I'd make time for physical activity almost

32:09

every day I work out like six

32:11

days a week, I make time for

32:13

family Five o'clock computer shut off, Close

32:16

as my computer and I don't reopen

32:18

it typically until the kids are sleep.

32:20

If I reopen it at all, I

32:23

feel like these things are just. Very.

32:26

Important to keep yourself.

32:29

In. Maintenance for working for longer

32:31

And it's not like oh you

32:33

can get more accomplice and blah

32:35

blah But like I said I

32:38

signed Joy in This does and.

32:41

I think that is a superpower

32:43

having joy in this stuff. And

32:45

if you lose that joy as

32:47

you lose that motivation to work on

32:49

things, then you know it's hard

32:51

to get that back. You have

32:53

to then put in the effort

32:55

to. Sign. Ways to reclaim

32:57

that. So for me personally, if

32:59

you understand work life balance, you can

33:01

understand when you're getting overloaded or what

33:04

you can do to decrease that overload

33:06

from the ghetto. not something that you're

33:08

trying to do after year already burnt

33:11

out that from the get dell I

33:13

think you're going to set yourself up

33:15

much for much greater success. Number.

33:18

Nine Habit Number Nine. You are

33:21

empathetic to your coworkers and users.

33:23

Guess what? Every single person in

33:25

this world has got something going

33:27

on. You know, everybody Gods have

33:30

gone on. We're all busy. We

33:32

all have negative things. We are

33:34

positive things. We all got crazy

33:37

hectic things, schedule things, whatever. Everybody's

33:40

got something so. Keep.

33:42

That in mind when some i

33:44

wish you a rude tweeter somebody

33:47

sent you an email is. Maybe.

33:50

they're stressed out maybe they just had

33:52

some instances something happened in their life

33:54

and taking it out i knew that

33:56

you could you could take it back

33:58

out on them or you can Maybe

34:00

think about hey this person is being

34:02

a jackass. I wonder why that is

34:05

hurt people hurt hurt people hurt

34:07

Less that's so true And

34:09

you know what like I think you know

34:11

there can be one thing from the drive

34:13

But a drive by you know f you

34:15

on a YouTube comments or something But

34:18

it's different when it comes to the people

34:20

when you're trying to support your users right

34:22

those are your users the people using

34:24

your Thing they're having a hard time with it. They're

34:26

frustrated Remember that hey,

34:29

that's kind of your fault it. It's

34:31

important to know that like Their

34:33

frustration whether or not it's influenced from the

34:35

outside or whatever you are kind of responsible

34:37

for making sure that they have a good

34:40

experience So understanding and putting yourself in your

34:42

user shoes that can come from like dog

34:44

food in your applications using your applications is

34:46

a good way To gain empathy for your

34:48

users if you use your application, and it

34:50

sucks guess what your users I think it

34:52

sucks as well another one for

34:54

your co-workers These are the people that are

34:56

gonna support you beyond this project

34:59

beyond the next project So you

35:01

want your co-workers and you to understand

35:03

that like everybody's got each other's back And

35:05

we all know that we all got stuff

35:07

going on so again Make sure that you

35:09

have your co-workers back and you understand them

35:12

and you understand what their motivations are and

35:14

you want to succeed in that I

35:16

Think this also goes to if

35:19

you think of who are the best or

35:21

the developers behind some of the biggest Open-source

35:23

projects out there like I'm curious. I'm gonna

35:25

ask you like what do you think are

35:27

the most joy to use? pieces

35:30

of JavaScript software

35:32

out there right now JavaScript

35:34

software. I don't know we just did

35:36

we just an episode on pocket base,

35:38

and it's a joy to use the

35:40

UI is great Everything works. It's super

35:42

smooth, and it there's no like

35:45

pain points for me So that's like a big

35:47

one especially I just talked about it. I'd say

35:49

probably like svelte is there V

35:52

is under there, so if you think

35:54

about like Racheris Evan

35:56

you behind these projects

36:00

A, they're amazing developers, but

36:03

the reason why they are such good

36:05

developers, and you often see them in

36:07

GitHub issues or on Twitter being,

36:10

oh, I

36:12

see that you're frustrated with

36:15

that. A big reason why Veet

36:17

is where it's at is because Evan

36:20

Yu was empathetic to people who were

36:22

frustrated with Webpack. And

36:25

he takes that empathy of understanding, yeah, this

36:27

is hard to use. And

36:29

he doesn't start running around saying

36:31

skill issue at everybody. Yeah, right,

36:33

yeah. It builds some amazing software

36:35

behind it. And I think that

36:37

that's an example. Those

36:40

developers are obviously next level because

36:43

they are both good at writing

36:45

the code but also very

36:48

empathetic to the people that are using

36:50

the software. And it's

36:52

not just, oh, yeah, it can be hard

36:55

to write Webpack configs. I

36:57

understand what's going on here. I think that we can

36:59

figure out how to do this and make it a little

37:01

bit more of a joy to use. Yeah,

37:04

and you know, the skill issue thing can

37:06

be funny when it is like said tongue

37:08

in cheek. Certainly. But

37:10

when it's not said tongue in cheek, man, I don't get what you're trying to

37:13

accomplish there. You're just trying

37:15

to be a jerk. And I'm not done

37:17

with that. So yeah.

37:19

Next habit is number 10,

37:21

you pay attention to detail

37:23

some of the best software

37:26

that is out there. Some

37:29

of the best pull request reviews

37:31

I've gotten is somebody can

37:33

catch possible issues, possible

37:36

edge cases. There are

37:38

so many spots where you can

37:40

really goof up. And if

37:42

you think about using a piece of software, some

37:45

of the best software out there is just

37:47

like, oh, that was really nice to use.

37:49

That was really easy. And it's because the

37:51

developers behind them or designers and whatnot as

37:53

well, pay attention to

37:56

detail and a lot of the small little

37:58

things they take all the paper. paper cuts

38:00

out of using that piece of technology.

38:03

Yeah, attention to detail. I

38:05

think every major project

38:07

that I know that succeeds with

38:10

the, I guess Amazon,

38:12

I was going to say with the exception

38:14

of Amazon, Amazon has attention to detail, but

38:16

they just prioritize different details than what I

38:19

care about. But

38:21

attention to detail is one of the reasons why Apple

38:23

is a gazillion dollar company and

38:25

one of the reasons why applications like Saltkit

38:27

work so well. They've paid attention to the

38:29

things that you've got to do. They pay

38:32

attention to the small little things and it

38:34

works really well. Again, I just talked about

38:36

PocketBase a second ago, but there's a huge

38:38

attention to detail there. In

38:41

the UI, the UI design, there's a lot of considerations

38:43

applied to anything where you should look

38:45

for things. Things are just in the place

38:47

that you're expecting it. So care.

38:51

Care and have attention to what you're

38:53

working on and really care about it.

38:56

My brain has a hard time with this one, I'm going to

38:58

be honest, because my particular

39:01

version of how my brain

39:03

works is just get stuff

39:05

out. When I was a musician, I

39:08

had a lot of musicians, I mean, I'm still

39:10

a musician, but when I was an actively recording

39:12

musician, I had a lot of friends who

39:14

would work on a song for months.

39:16

It's one song. They would work on

39:19

it for months. They would agonize over

39:21

every little hit, every envelope, whatever. I'm

39:24

definitely more of a, I'll record 30

39:26

songs and then pick the one that's

39:28

the least worse. That's always

39:30

been my strategy. So attention to

39:32

detail is hard for me, but I think

39:34

it really matters. The

39:38

Amazon one is really interesting to me. I

39:40

just keep thinking about that since he said it,

39:42

because I think it kind of goes back to

39:44

habit number one, which is understanding stakeholder

39:46

and business goals. People

39:49

love to rip on Amazon

39:51

because their page speed

39:54

score is awful or because the UI

39:56

is extremely cluttered and

39:59

ugly. And they'll often say like,

40:01

oh yeah, you can have a bad page speed if you're

40:03

the most trillion dollar company,

40:05

you know, and I think

40:07

obviously there's some there's

40:10

some stuff to that, you know, but I

40:12

also think that go back

40:14

to habit number one understand stakeholder

40:16

and business goals. They want

40:19

to sell a whole bunch of stuff and they

40:21

want their users as a

40:23

user of Amazon. It's super easy

40:25

to return stuff. The shipping is nice and

40:27

fast. I can always get at whatever I

40:29

want. I'm able to search and find what

40:31

I'm looking for, you know, and I

40:34

think that that's why it's

40:36

a that's the details

40:38

that their their developers

40:40

and Amazon in general is paying attention

40:43

to. And I know there's people

40:45

probably fuming at me right now because Amazon is

40:47

evil and you should pay attention to the things

40:49

that you care about. But I

40:52

think they understand. Yeah, I was

40:54

in Amazon. Weren't they one of the first

40:56

ones, if not the first one to understand

40:58

that in a drop down menu, your mouse

41:00

path always isn't, you know, in the direction.

41:02

So they built the the triangle so that

41:04

your mouse could go in a more direct

41:06

path without closing the hover navigation. So

41:09

like they care about details. They

41:12

they just don't care about this design

41:14

detail. Yeah.

41:18

Last one here, habit 11. You are

41:21

part of the community and

41:23

community can be all kinds of things. It can

41:25

be your local community. I think

41:27

I did become a much better developer

41:30

when I started attending the Southeast Michigan

41:32

JavaScript meetup. It was like

41:34

we had one JavaScript meetup at that time. It

41:36

was for all of Southeast Michigan. So

41:39

like when I started being a part of

41:41

that, it started being around

41:43

my people, right? You're around your people.

41:46

Everybody's like talking JavaScript and they're excited about

41:48

it or they're interested about it. They're

41:51

trying new things. They're they're just, you

41:53

know, they're there because they care and

41:56

being around your people regardless

41:58

of if it's an in person. thing

42:00

or slack channel or discord channel can

42:03

really make a huge impact

42:06

on just how you one

42:08

feel about yourself but it can it

42:10

can put people in a place of like oh

42:13

these people are doing this cool stuff I bet I could

42:15

do this cool stuff we're in the same kind of position

42:17

here and it gives you people

42:19

to bounce ideas off of it it

42:21

gives you inspiration being a part of a

42:24

community is just endlessly advantageous

42:27

for your career and it's hard I

42:29

get it if you're an introvert type

42:31

of person you might not always

42:34

want to show up to this stuff and talk to the

42:36

people but give it a try

42:38

show up to you know doesn't

42:40

even need to be in person as well

42:42

like you think about like where is the

42:44

web development community and there are lots

42:47

of places where the the community is

42:49

obviously like Twitter is one of them

42:51

but you might not like Twitter so

42:54

you might find there's plenty of Facebook

42:56

groups there's forums out there there's lots

42:58

of discord channels on there it's

43:01

even like the YouTube comments

43:03

or listening to this podcast a

43:05

lot of people say I feel like I'm part of the

43:07

community because I'm keeping up

43:10

to date and I tune in and hear

43:12

you guys talk about web development every single

43:14

week just finding

43:17

that piece is great for staying

43:19

up to date bouncing ideas

43:21

off people getting help when you need it

43:23

just having some people to sort of talk to

43:25

you about this stuff and it's extremely energizing I

43:28

can't tell you every time I come back

43:30

from a conference I just go

43:32

ha like that was awesome there's so

43:34

many cool conversations and being able to

43:36

talk to people that are in our

43:38

community yeah conference is one of those things

43:41

that again if you can force yourself to

43:43

just walk into a circle

43:45

of people and just introduce yourself or

43:48

whatever man you can get so much

43:50

out of that even just talking about

43:52

non tech related stuff so I do

43:54

definitely think being

43:56

a part of a community is just a great thing for

43:59

so many reasons Even as an

44:01

introvert cool, so that was 11 habits

44:04

of highly effective Developers

44:06

which of these habits are your best habit

44:08

which of these things do you

44:11

succeed in really well? And which of

44:13

these do you not succeed in what

44:15

are some habits that you cultivate in

44:17

your life that lead you to becoming

44:19

a better Developer we want to know

44:22

all these things head on over to

44:24

youtube.com/at syntax FM Leave a comment on

44:26

this video of any of that stuff

44:30

Be a part of the community. It

44:32

is very funny I replied from my personal

44:34

YouTube account to a comment on one of

44:36

our videos recently and someone said oh Hey,

44:39

it's you Scott. I was thinking that I was

44:41

just talking to somebody in the community. Hey you

44:44

are I'm in the community We're all part of

44:46

this community. We are the community. So hold on.

44:48

I'm curious now what your what do you think

44:50

your top habit is my

44:53

my top habit my

44:55

top habit is my

44:58

golden retriever excitement for

45:01

curiosity and new things If

45:04

there's one thing that could leave that

45:06

number two that is number two

45:08

you're curious and always learning I am I you

45:11

know I can get distracted I can you

45:13

know lose track of some of the bigger

45:16

details you know I'd solve

45:18

problems really well Yes, I occasionally do not

45:20

ask for help Okay

45:23

But the one thing that I definitely do

45:26

do is that I'm always super curious about

45:28

things why they work I'm diving into trying

45:30

to figure out solutions Even if they've already

45:32

been solved before because I want to see

45:35

what my brain can come up with maybe

45:37

it's something different than what I am Oh,

45:39

yeah, I think I'm the

45:41

same habit number two or a problem

45:44

solver mentality But I think highly habit

45:46

number two as well Yeah,

45:49

let's that's good. That's probably good for this

45:51

podcast. Yes, I agree Let's

45:56

get into some shame or sick

45:58

pics I have a sick pic today

46:00

and it's something that you a sick

46:02

pick. I think two years ago and

46:04

the Ninja Warrior obstacle course for your

46:07

kids. So this is

46:09

essentially two slack lines or

46:11

two really long ratchet straps

46:13

that you string between

46:15

trees and then there's

46:18

a whole bunch of like little attachments

46:20

for swinging from one to another or

46:22

climbing up a ladder or there's all

46:24

kinds of different attachments you can get

46:26

for it. My

46:28

kids have been like they went on one out of friends

46:31

about a year ago and they've been asking for it for quite

46:33

a while and this year we thought like alright we

46:35

got two really good trees right behind our

46:37

house let's do it and they are on

46:39

it. I don't know we got it like

46:41

I don't know about two months ago and they are

46:43

on it like every single night playing

46:45

on it swinging on it learning

46:48

new games on it and it's like a

46:50

hundred bucks which is I

46:53

feel like it's cheaper than like building a tree house or

46:55

something like that and I feel like you can get a

46:57

lot of really good fun

46:59

out of it. So I highly recommend it if

47:01

you've got young kids. Yes and

47:03

if you are an

47:05

adventurous adult they

47:08

can hold your weight. I try to

47:10

do it really slinks down for us because

47:12

it's high up when I get on it

47:14

really you know pulls it down. Let

47:16

me tell you I've completed that course I've completed

47:19

that course several times. My kids

47:21

can't get past like the sixth object and guess what

47:23

I got all of them. We

47:26

ended up doing ours at an

47:28

angle for the top one so that

47:30

it gets progressively harder because like our

47:32

youngest kids are like super short and

47:34

then the oldest one is like I

47:36

can reach everything so we've just made

47:38

it progressively harder as it goes on.

47:41

Yes I want to get more attachments for mine.

47:43

I got mine at Costco so this is the type of

47:45

thing you can get at Costco or Amazon anywhere but

47:48

it is your kids will use it for

47:50

hours and hours and hours they will go

47:52

nuts on it and all you

47:54

need is a couple of trees. My

47:56

sick pick is going to be these

47:59

little solar lanterns. You

48:01

know like many other people I have

48:03

really loved having LEDs in my

48:05

backyard for looned fairy lights drop-down

48:07

lights Whatever Courtney bought these things

48:09

that are like essentially like a

48:11

glass ball with a solar

48:13

panel With a

48:15

rechargeable battery that's hooked up to an

48:17

LED kind of fairy strip and

48:20

they don't need much light I'll tell you that

48:22

because we have a lot of trees they they

48:24

still do just fine We hung maybe about I

48:27

don't know eight of these on trees around

48:29

our backyard That's cool, and it is just

48:32

so nice. We leave them out

48:34

all winter. They're fine We

48:36

don't even any given time We were just

48:39

outside on the patio Hanging out

48:41

in our backyard the other night and all

48:43

the little fairy lights come on and you're

48:45

like I feel like I'm in a gosh

48:47

darn, you know fairy forest here I feel

48:49

like there's that pardon Zelda where you're in

48:51

a forest with all the stuff illuminated. I

48:53

felt like that It's pretty cool. So yeah,

48:56

they're cheap 33 bucks for a pack of

48:58

a pack of two Well, I guess that's

49:00

not that cheap, but they're nice. They're glass. They're heavy

49:02

they're you know the last and like I said, we

49:04

leave them out all winter long and Just

49:07

a really really nice little thing Sweet.

49:11

I I'm just finishing up doing a whole

49:13

bunch of landscape lighting in our backyard as

49:15

well So I'll have some future

49:17

sick pics for that but landscape

49:19

somebody somebody called it something cool

49:22

Nightscaping they call it gaping. That's

49:24

cool. Nightscaping. Whoo Word

49:27

lights in your backyard. I Gotta

49:30

do the front yard for us. Our backyard has it's

49:32

been night scaped. I gotta do the front. Oh, yeah

49:34

Let me know. I I figured

49:36

it all out. So it's it's relatively easy to

49:38

do. It's all low voltage So it's not too

49:40

scary I was gonna say we already have the

49:43

wire for the backyard like laid

49:45

and all I got to do is tap that

49:48

Run it to the front yard. I've connected

49:50

to the same timer. So you're gonna be

49:52

that hard. There you go famous last words

49:54

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50:09

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50:11

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50:13

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50:16

uh, you can see us and, you know,

50:18

we just recorded an episode with pocket base

50:20

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50:22

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50:25

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50:27

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50:32

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50:34

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50:36

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50:39

Peace.