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So as we know, Jimmy will be

1:25

hanging up his spikes soon.

1:29

Definitely in terms of playing for England, we haven't heard

1:31

the rest of it. We don't know. We don't know.

1:35

The rest is still unwritten.

1:39

The first test. The first test. The

1:41

first test. What musical reference,

1:43

this is interesting, what musical reference was that

1:45

for you? Stage Drummer, Futures Unwritten. Okay, for

1:47

me it was Natasha Benningfield Unwritten. Okay,

1:52

so that's interesting. That just shows how many

1:54

bases we have covered on this podcast. And

1:56

a good sporting metaphor that was. It's an

1:59

immense occasion. On many

2:01

levels though. Let's be serious.

2:03

Joe Strummer, Natasha Bennefield aside.

2:05

This is a monumental moment

2:08

for this man. Yep this

2:10

sport that we love exactly so much

2:14

We wanted to mark this with a proper

2:16

sit-down Lifespanning

2:18

all-encompassing incisive meticulously researched

2:21

and planned interview with

2:23

Jimmy However,

2:26

there is a small window in which

2:28

we can record this Mainly

2:31

as a sort of sorry about that for

2:34

when you missed interviewing Michael Palin Matching

2:37

are you up for it? It would be

2:40

the honor of my life to take on

2:42

this task I'll

2:45

be honest. I'm nervous. I've

2:48

never usually I'm the sort of I don't

2:51

know the kind of sidekick in

2:54

this Sometimes

2:56

the main kick yeah So

3:00

just to sit down with Jimmy one-on-one, I don't

3:02

know how to I've not done interviews before that I

3:04

had a very similar conversation with Oprah

3:06

Winfrey when I Was

3:10

talking to her and psyching her up

3:12

for the Harry and Meghan interview. Mmm,

3:15

and I just said look Do

3:17

it in your garden. Yeah, ask her

3:19

if she was silent or

3:22

silenced Yeah, and the rest

3:24

will take care of itself. Okay. Oh, I'll open with

3:26

that I also don't want to put too much pressure

3:28

on you because I know that Greg would have taken

3:30

the pressure off Oprah when he had that conversation with

3:32

her about the Royal interview But this

3:35

is going to be the exclusive interview

3:37

previous last test So yeah, I've

3:39

been led to believe that Jimmy's not gonna be doing any

3:41

other press or interviews So the whole

3:44

of a cricket in universe will be coming

3:46

towards this into you for anything so sure

3:48

is on Well, yeah, all I'm saying is

3:50

this is a rare opportunity where the eyes

3:52

of the cricket world are upon us

3:55

and visa V upon you matching Yeah, I

3:57

I take that responsibility on whole heart

3:59

I will say that I

4:01

don't want to just be cricket. I

4:06

want to explore his life, his family,

4:08

his loves. The man himself.

4:10

Yeah, the man, the myth that brought us

4:13

so many wickets. I'll do it in the

4:15

house. If the first question is

4:17

who you're voting for. Yeah, no,

4:19

don't do politics. I'll avoid politics.

4:22

The House of Wicket Sport. We'll be

4:24

doing it in the House of Wicket Sport. We've

4:26

had, listen to these ones that Sharky's put in. We've

4:29

had Frost Nixon. We have had that. We've

4:32

had Monica Lewinsky and Barbara Walters.

4:35

Yeah, we had that. We've had Martin Bashir

4:37

and Princess Diana. We did have that. We've

4:39

also had Emily Maitlis and

4:41

Prince Andrew. Which

4:43

is which? We'll leave that up to you

4:45

to decide as we present to you

4:48

Tindorca Anderson. Let's

4:51

hope for all of our sakes that

4:53

it did go well. Cheers.

4:59

So Jimmy, who would have thought 30 odd

5:01

years ago when you first picked up that

5:03

shiny red ball that almost 30 years later,

5:05

187 test matches, 700 scalps, that

5:11

you'd be sat here in the House

5:13

that wickets built. Looking

5:15

back on an illustrious career with

5:17

the step nephew of Sachin Tindorca.

5:21

Let's start at the beginning.

5:24

Your formative years with Burnley. Now I've

5:26

done some research. I've delved deep.

5:30

In the preseason, 98, 99, yeah, with Burnley

5:32

in the nets, I've

5:35

spoken to some of your teammates there. They

5:37

said there was in that first session

5:39

in that season, you

5:42

suddenly could bowl 50 miles

5:44

per hour faster. Yeah.

5:47

All of a sudden that first boy said that first boy delivered

5:49

in the same style as the ones as your as your hat

5:51

trick in the World Cup. Do you

5:53

remember that feeling of, oh, suddenly this is

5:56

taking it up a level. A bit like

5:59

when Team Wolf. Recognizes he's got the powers or spider-man

6:01

find that he used to start this a bit of

6:03

a game Is it was there like a wow moment?

6:05

Like oh my god, this is this is gonna change

6:07

the game I do remember being

6:09

able to bowl quicker. I don't remember

6:11

like this Specific moment that

6:14

happened but like I remember before that

6:16

I was like, okay at batting. Okay

6:18

at bowling How old have you been

6:20

then? like 14. Yeah,

6:23

and then 15 I came

6:25

back to winter preseason nets and

6:29

Is it in a school in Blackburn and it was the

6:31

surface was like rock hard it's

6:33

like a wooden floor might have had a like a mat on it and

6:36

Yeah, it was coming out a lot

6:38

quicker. I don't really know why or how

6:41

that happened But yeah, it was like a

6:43

sudden moment. You're like, oh this this yeah

6:45

Like I was hurrying up players that like

6:48

some of the best players in the first

6:50

team at Burnley I know I remember my

6:52

best mate David Brown is dad Peter I

6:55

can't remember what shot he played but I remember

6:57

the bat breaking and I broke a couple of

6:59

bats at winter And I think obviously I felt

7:01

horrific because I was a young lad

7:03

breaking these up old lads bats

7:05

But yeah, I felt like something

7:07

different had happened. Yeah, I

7:10

can't put my finger on why it's weird Yeah,

7:12

but he's like getting a super power. The people

7:14

in the team must have been like, oh my

7:16

god Have you seen he's gone up a level.

7:18

This is gonna change things. Yeah, I definitely got

7:20

the impression Everyone was excited people like

7:22

I remember the captain at the time

7:24

when we played He'd

7:27

just be like just bowl as fast as you can and I know

7:29

it because it was such a

7:31

change in pace And

7:33

my body was still developing. I was still

7:35

like growing, you know, just I didn't really

7:37

know where it was going So I bow

7:40

I did bowl the old Beamer and I

7:42

beamed Brad hodge who's Australian batter He was

7:44

playing for Rams bottom beamed him

7:46

and he sort of punched it off his face And I

7:49

can't repeat what he said. I was so apologetic. I

7:51

was I'm so sorry that I just don't know where

7:53

it's going And

7:56

he was like Couple

8:00

of other memories from that were like I played

8:02

at Burnley and the

8:04

first over of the game I bowled

8:06

like four wides in a row and I'm like oh my

8:08

god this is painful and then the next ball just went

8:10

straight through the batter and bowled him so

8:13

that's how it sort of went for me it

8:15

was like a bit inconsistent and erratic but fun.

8:17

But then when you did yeah amazing so I've

8:20

been doing some research back on the streets of

8:22

Burnley right take me back to that day it's

8:24

a big moment for you you've passed your test

8:27

you've got your first Fiat Bravo okay you go and visit your

8:30

mate at university get into an argument

8:33

and you have to go and sleep in your Fiat Bravo you

8:36

have to use towels as

8:38

a makeshift curtains to

8:40

stop the morning dawn from coming in tell

8:43

me about that moment. That's

8:47

a random question and a slightly

8:50

different route now I think I thought this interview would take

8:52

yeah I used to go my mate went to Durham University

8:54

so I went to see him a

8:56

few times while he was there you know

8:59

we just go and have a night out or whatever and

9:01

catch up so the situation was there was

9:03

one bed in his one spare bed in

9:05

his dorm or whatever it was that he

9:07

where he stayed and there's two of us

9:09

that went up two mates went up so

9:12

there's three of us all together my

9:15

other mate took the bed he got

9:17

back before me and took the bed so I

9:19

tried to kick him out and he was like just sleep

9:22

on the floor I'm asleep like I'm

9:24

not I'm not moving I'm not moving so I

9:26

don't know I stormed out and slept in my

9:28

car and put towels up doesn't sound as bad

9:30

as you've made out no but you just put

9:32

towels up I did yeah mid little shelter

9:35

yeah I'm not a psychologist but in many ways

9:37

you could say as your star is risen you've

9:40

kept those towels up to protect you

9:42

from the glare of the media spotlight okay

9:48

um we will move on from the free

9:50

bravo but before I do you pass your

9:52

test shortly after that you've totaled it going

9:54

over a bollard too fast in a Woolworth

9:56

car park is that correct but

9:59

don't remember I don't remember that. No, I

10:01

have got that confirmed. Cause I

10:03

was gonna, you don't remember a token in the

10:05

film? Who confirmed that? I have not. I'm not

10:07

gonna remember. Not really your sources. It

10:11

was gas. I think I did go

10:13

over a bollard in Woolworth's car

10:15

park, but I don't think it was written off. All

10:17

right, I was told it was written off cause I

10:19

was gonna say in many ways,

10:22

the Woolworth bollard was a metaphorical father

10:24

figure teaching you to slow down before

10:26

life was about to get very fast.

10:30

Brilliant. Do cry. Will

10:33

all these questions have a

10:35

metaphorical ending? Yes. I'll

10:39

just say, Gazz is, you've gone

10:42

to two for information. He's like

10:44

J. Offie in between us with

10:46

his stories. Right, okay. Might be

10:48

a little bit embellished. Okay,

10:51

so then you start playing for Bernie, then we get

10:53

into the England team, all right? Close your eyes. Take

10:55

me back to that first England call up, 2002. You're

10:59

20 years old. Tony Blair is the

11:01

prime minister. Craig David, Gareth

11:03

Gates, Will Young are riding high on the

11:05

charts. Interestingly, the biggest selling

11:08

single of that year is Enrique Iglesias,

11:10

hero, which is pertinent, I think,

11:12

because it was a difficult time

11:14

for English cricket. And in many ways your arrival, you

11:17

can signify you could be their hero, baby. And

11:20

you were about to kiss away those tears. Can

11:23

you talk me through that first

11:27

England call up? Was it a

11:29

surprise? Was it, how did you take

11:31

me through these emotions? Okay, well,

11:34

I just had my first season for Lancashire

11:36

and did pretty well. Got 50 wickets in

11:38

the championship that season. Went

11:41

on an academy trip to Australia with a few of

11:43

the other younger players that

11:45

was sort of meant to be the

11:47

next sort of, next generation of English crickets. Can you

11:49

remember who they were? Anyone that's been to the world?

11:52

On that trip was Alex

11:55

Tudor. Nice. Remlet,

11:58

Montipanisar. Oh, wow. Aaron

12:00

Stevens, who was my

12:02

roommate on that trip. Ricky Clark, quite a

12:04

few that actually went on to play for

12:06

England. Gareth Batty, Chris Reed. But basically, that

12:09

trip to Australia, in the test series, quite

12:11

a lot of players got

12:13

injured. So I think Darren Goff

12:15

got injured. Simon Jones, obviously,

12:17

was his bad injury that he got then. So

12:20

quite a few players were. Was that down to the coaching?

12:23

Was it poor coaching or just just bad luck? The injuries,

12:25

yeah, bad luck, yeah. So yeah, it then

12:27

got to a point where there was a one

12:29

day series and they

12:31

needed bowlers basically. And I've

12:34

been bowling okay. I've heard Nasser Hussain, he

12:36

was in the captain at the time, say

12:38

it was his dad who would see me

12:40

play championship cricket that summer. Who

12:42

said he might be worth a look at sort of

12:44

thing. So basically I got

12:46

drafted in, got a phone call from

12:48

the team manager at the time of the academy, the

12:51

team manager of the academy and said England

12:53

want you to join up with them in

12:56

Sydney. I think it was. So

12:59

packed my bags and. Was

13:01

it, were you nervous? The more, the more.

13:03

Yeah, well, I don't, yeah, of course I

13:06

was nervous because I'd watched all these players

13:08

on TV and. Yeah. You

13:10

know, so many questions go through your head like am

13:12

I ready for this and stuff like that. But also

13:14

I was thinking quite sort of in

13:17

reality, am I gonna play, I'm just gonna be

13:19

there just in case. Yeah. There's a

13:21

chance that I won't play. I'll just try and get

13:23

some experience from being around the team. And then,

13:25

so I didn't play the first game in Sydney

13:27

and then we went to the MCG in Melbourne

13:29

and played that game. We got told I was

13:31

playing the day before by

13:34

NASA, immediate sweaty palms and nerves

13:37

and butterflies and all that sort of

13:39

thing started kicking in. Cause we'd

13:41

been told on the field when you've

13:43

got this huge stadium. I

13:46

was just like. Oh my God. Yeah. Was

13:48

it, were you thinking like, just gonna get

13:50

through it? Or were you thinking I'm just gonna

13:52

grab this by the balls? I'm gonna make myself

13:54

un-droppable. No, no, I was

13:56

thinking, I'm just gonna enjoy this while I'm here. Cause it's

13:58

not gonna last very long. Really? It

14:00

might last a week, two weeks, you know. I

14:03

might never play again, so I'm just gonna try and

14:05

enjoy it as much as possible. And

14:08

then played the game. Didn't have a

14:10

number or name on the back of my shirt, because

14:12

it was, you know, things have moved

14:14

along that quickly. Yeah, I wonder

14:16

who would have had number nine then. But- Might

14:19

have been Alex Stewart. I was gonna ask

14:21

that. I was gonna ask that. So what

14:23

was that change room for the first time

14:25

with NASA and Alex Stewart? What is that

14:27

environment like? Was it a welcoming environment, or

14:29

was it step up or f*** off, sort

14:31

of? I'd say it was like some of

14:34

the guys were really welcoming, really tried to

14:36

make you feel comfortable at home. Other

14:39

guys may be less so, just sort

14:41

of looking at me thinking,

14:43

who's this young kid? Never heard of him. Yeah.

14:46

What's he doing here? But also England at that

14:48

point weren't- weren't great. Doing

14:51

particularly well. So I think- You

14:53

could be their hero. Everyone was sort of in

14:55

their own little world, trying to just make

14:57

sure that they played well enough

14:59

to stay in the team. It wasn't like there

15:02

was a great team ethos

15:05

or environment as well to win games.

15:07

Because I'm quite interested in that. Like

15:09

in any sports, any level, the environment

15:11

and ethos of the change room can

15:13

have a big impact on the success of the

15:15

team. So if it's like too laid back or

15:17

too pally, then it can be a bit lazy

15:19

on the pitch. But also if it's too intense

15:23

and aggressive, that some people might kind

15:25

of shrink in that environment.

15:28

Over the years, what do you think has been

15:30

the best change rooms that you've been involved in,

15:32

in terms of getting that balance right? Well, just

15:34

on that first one that I went into, like

15:37

NASA was quite intense as a captain. He was,

15:39

you know, a lot of people didn't like the way he went

15:41

about things. But for me as a 20 year old, I was

15:43

like, I needed that sort

15:45

of firmness, that instruction

15:48

and not necessarily pressure, but

15:50

just he would really tell you what was

15:52

demanded of you. Yeah. And I

15:54

needed that and it really helped me, I think in the

15:56

first part of my career.

15:58

So you'd prefer that. rather than like an

16:00

arm around the shoulder kind of. Well I did at that

16:03

point. Yeah but he was good at both.

16:05

With me in particular he was good. It was a game in the

16:08

World Cup in 2003 where he

16:10

gave me the penultimate over I think.

16:13

Either the last over of the innings or penultimate

16:15

over. When Andy Caddick who was a

16:17

senior ball at the time had another over left so he could

16:19

have gone to him. But he went to

16:22

me and I got smashed by Andy

16:24

Bickle into the stands for six and we

16:26

lost the game. But he then put his

16:28

arm around me after and was like, you

16:31

know, I hope that you take the

16:33

sort of positive from that

16:35

that I've gone to you rather than a senior

16:37

ball because I thought you'd be able to cope

16:40

with that pressure. So that did actually give me

16:42

a lot of confidence. Oh nice. Because I've heard,

16:44

I've spoken to other England players

16:46

through talent and they said some of the,

16:48

especially like the 2006, 2007 changing room was

16:53

quite brutal, quite, I don't want to say

16:55

toxic but it was quite difficult

16:57

place for some players to come

16:59

into, must be difficult. Yeah, I

17:01

mean, after 2005 obviously was

17:04

unbelievable that that Asher

17:06

series and yeah, I

17:08

guess they were just so well knit together.

17:10

It was hard for people from the outside

17:12

to come in but then it

17:14

was more I'd say after that

17:16

2005 Ashers, things

17:18

did start to go slightly wrong in terms

17:20

of people getting injured like Michael Vaughan got

17:22

injured, Simon Jones got injured again. So

17:25

two massive players in that 2005 Ashers

17:28

before the six, seven Ashers, they were

17:31

sort of struggling with injuries a little

17:33

bit. So that didn't help

17:35

going there. And

17:37

I think the confidence just started to wane a

17:39

little bit. Do you think is there a massive

17:42

difference between the kind of change room environment now

17:44

that you see like how things are fostered in

17:46

that, in the change of like, in terms of

17:48

mental health or whatever to how it was back

17:50

then? Or is it not going to be a

17:52

few changes? Oh, well, that's a different, I think

17:55

that's a different sort of question, a different point

17:57

because obviously now it, so.

18:00

Certainly from my point of view, when a young

18:02

guy comes into the team, I feel like it's

18:04

important that everyone in that group

18:06

tries to make them feel welcome, feel

18:08

comfortable and stuff like

18:11

that. But in terms of the mental

18:13

health stuff, the awareness of that

18:15

has gone through the roof. Everyone's

18:18

conscious of that and making sure

18:20

that everyone is okay and

18:22

talking if they need to or have got people to talk

18:24

to if they need to. So it's very different to

18:27

what it was 20 years ago. You've played under 12 different

18:30

captains under your tenure. Can

18:33

you name them? But to be fair, there's four

18:35

of these that are stand-ins. So if you could just

18:37

get... Just test cricket. Just

18:40

test cricket. Yes. NASA.

18:43

Michael Vaughan. Yes. Strauss.

18:47

Yes. Cook. Yes.

18:49

Root. Yes. Stokes.

18:52

Get the obvious ones out of the way. Vaughan.

18:54

Did I say him? You said Vaughan.

18:56

Sorry. Peterson. Flintoff.

18:59

Nice. Amizat. That's

19:02

all of them, yeah. There was a couple of stand-ins. Well, I know,

19:04

but you had some stand-ins. Do you want to name them? Can you

19:06

name them stand-ins? That would be double

19:08

points if you get that. Standing

19:11

captains. Yeah. Triskothic.

19:14

Yeah. One

19:17

quite close to you. Broad.

19:19

Broad. And then there was

19:21

Butler and Morgan. Oh, yeah. But

19:24

that was for ODI's, I think, for Morgan. Of

19:26

those captains, I was going to ask you to say a

19:28

word or a sentence that you would sum

19:31

them up. It's probably too many, isn't

19:33

there? But is any of those captains that you

19:35

could highlight having the most

19:37

impact on your career? Well,

19:39

to be honest, I know I've just spoken

19:41

a bit about him, but NASA probably had the

19:44

biggest influence just because of the

19:46

stage of my career that I was

19:48

at when I played under him. I

19:51

guess Strauss, we had the most

19:54

success under as a team. Got to world

19:56

number one when the Ashes

19:58

in Australia beat India. England,

26:00

was there a game that you felt

26:03

that solidified you as an England starter

26:05

that one way you thought

26:07

going in you're not too sure, but then

26:09

after you're like boom, send your

26:12

contract sorted for another year? There's

26:14

one game, a tour

26:16

of New Zealand, I think it was 2008, Harmison

26:18

and Hoggard played the first test and I went

26:21

off to play for Auckland in a first-class game

26:24

and then the second test, Harmison and Hoggard got

26:26

dropped and me and Brodie came in. Peter Moors

26:29

was coach at the time and I

26:31

think that sort of confidence that

26:33

you get from someone giving you responsibility to take

26:35

the new ball and you're replacing

26:37

two guys that have been the mainstay for

26:39

England for like four or five years, a

26:43

huge part of that, Ash's winning 2005.

26:46

So then I guess there was pressure that came

26:48

with that but also I think confidence

26:50

here from that responsibility and then I

26:52

got five wickets in that game and

26:54

I guess I just, all

26:56

I did from there was really try

26:58

and keep improving like every time, like

27:01

not never feel like I've cracked it

27:03

and just, you know, there's only

27:05

one way you can keep being successful I think and

27:08

that's to constantly improve not just

27:10

think I've had a good game so I'll just

27:12

keep trying to do the same thing. Yeah, so

27:14

that was the start of the sort of

27:16

Broad Anderson dynasty? Yeah, a little bit like

27:18

we played together in the 2007 World Cup,

27:20

that was the first time we played together

27:22

and I think the first few years was

27:24

a little bit of competition

27:27

that we weren't best mates then. I

27:30

was mates with Alistair Cook and

27:32

Graham Swan, he was

27:34

mates with like Matt Pryor, a couple of others,

27:37

so it wasn't like we were, we spent

27:40

a decent amount of time together but we

27:42

just weren't as close as we are

27:45

now basically and I think there was a

27:47

little bit of competition at the time because he was, we were

27:49

sort of vying for the same spot but

27:52

then as time went on, the

27:54

more we played together, the more we realised

27:56

that we actually could help each other, bounce

27:59

off each other. at

32:00

an early age of not reading stuff

32:02

when, whether you've had a good game or a

32:04

bad game, because there's only one person that knows

32:07

if you've had a good game or a bad game, that's you. I'm

32:09

my harshest critic. So even if I have

32:11

a good game, I'll be looking at what

32:13

I can improve for the next game. And

32:16

in all fairness to the, there's some great writers

32:18

out there in the media, great pundits, but

32:21

the majority haven't played

32:24

at that level and don't understand it. And there's only one

32:26

person that can improve you. So

32:29

I've just tried to ignore it, but then

32:31

obviously there's people not

32:33

naming names, but like you'll definitely,

32:37

there's like mates that have sent me stuff in

32:39

the past that are, have you seen this

32:42

guy, what this guy said about you? But

32:44

that'd be so, but if it's- And you've done that to me before

32:46

as well, actually. Have I? Sorry about that,

32:48

mate. Have you seen what he's written? Well,

32:51

so would you accept more criticism if it's, if

32:53

it's Atherton or someone? I don't guess he would.

32:55

No, I don't, no. What I mean is

32:57

like, I like reading some

33:00

pieces, but I just, if it's about me, I won't,

33:04

yeah. Cause I know whether I've had a good game or

33:06

a bad game, you know, I know if I've had

33:08

a good career or a bad career,

33:11

you know, I don't need other people telling me. Moving

33:13

on to your family, getting to know you over the

33:15

years, that I'm amazed that like

33:18

the amount of people that come up and say how much you mean

33:20

to them, how great you are, you've had

33:22

like the cricket community gushing over

33:24

you, what impact you have, you

33:26

are distractingly handsome. Yet

33:29

knowing you privately, you're very

33:31

grounded, you're very shy. Do

33:33

you think that's largely down to your

33:37

friends and family growing up, you've kind of

33:39

stuck with the same group of mates? Yeah,

33:41

I think that helps, yeah. Mum

33:43

and Dad are very quiet people,

33:45

quite shy. I've got a

33:47

really good group of mates that I can

33:50

rely on, have done over the

33:52

years. And then since

33:54

being married as well, Daniela's exactly the

33:56

same, she just know, she like, lots

33:59

of... So

46:00

yeah, people like that, I don't know really. Tendulkar's been

46:02

a bit of a breeze for you

46:05

hasn't he? Well I got... Of course no problems.

46:07

There were times when I thought I can't bowl

46:09

with him, he's too good. And then there were

46:11

other times where I just managed to get

46:13

the better of him. That's just

46:16

the way it is. Similar to Coley, like there was a series

46:18

where I felt like I could get him

46:20

out every ball. In other

46:22

series I felt like I could just, I'm never gonna get him

46:24

out. I could bowl a thousand balls at him and I wouldn't

46:26

get him out. But yeah, I

46:28

mean, in 20 odd years

46:31

I've bowled quite a lot of people, so it's difficult

46:34

to single one person out. And

46:36

obviously some people, like Steve Smith, he played in

46:38

2010-11, batted

46:41

at seven and didn't really get any runs and then he

46:43

comes back two or three years later

46:45

and he's a completely different player and averages 60. Over

46:49

the years if you could build a

46:51

sort of Frankenstein fast bowler for the

46:53

different attributes, picking out like accuracy,

46:56

intelligence, action, what'd you

46:58

pick? McGrath's accuracy, Stain's

47:02

wrist position. Do

47:04

you know what action I always loved? And being a

47:06

Lancashire fan, Wazimachram, I

47:08

thought was just

47:11

an insane bowler. Swung

47:13

it both ways, reversed it unbelievably well. The

47:16

famous story of him bowling in trainers

47:18

at Old Trafford in one

47:20

game. He came out after T, not expecting to

47:22

bowl, he just wore some trainers, didn't have spikes

47:24

on. And then they said, do

47:26

you fancy a bowl? He's like, all right, and got six wickets. Bowling

47:29

in pumps. His

47:32

swing, I think his ability

47:34

to swing it, Stain was

47:36

like just incredible. Pat

47:38

Cumming's action, I really like. I

47:41

think he's someone actually trying like,

47:45

so we played a test matching

47:48

goal in Sri Lanka and

47:50

I was feeling really stiff just after lunch and

47:52

I was bowling and Mark Wood was at

47:55

mid off and I said, I'm gonna

47:57

copy Pat Cumming's action now, try and bowl like

47:59

him. and I got a wicket,

48:01

like in that over, and he's

48:03

like, oh my God, you should bowl like back on this

48:06

all the time. What was that doing, what kind of way?

48:08

It's just trying to, like he, I

48:10

was basically trying to get more side on, and

48:13

then he's got an amazing snap. He like

48:15

gets the top of his action, and

48:18

then everything just seems to go really quick.

48:21

So when he bowls, as he bowls the ball, he just

48:23

snaps through the crease. Because I

48:25

was feeling stiff and a bit sluggish, I

48:27

was trying to just recreate that

48:29

sort of speed and snap. Pivot ground?

48:32

Well, Old Trafford obviously being my home ground,

48:34

being a ground I went to as a

48:36

kid and supported Lancashire, being able to play

48:38

there has been incredible. But I've

48:41

not really bowled well there for England, which has

48:43

been frustrating. Trent Bridge I love,

48:46

Lords I love as well. So it's

48:49

hard to sort of differentiate or

48:51

pick between those. If you were going

48:53

to take me and Greg and Felix on a

48:55

little tour around the world post retirement, where

48:58

would you take us? Where would you like to take us? I

49:01

go Adelaide, I think that's just a really special

49:04

stunning ground where it's obviously a bit

49:07

of a mixture of new and old, still got a

49:09

bit of old like red brick pavilion and got

49:12

new huge stands. And they

49:14

play the day night games there, and

49:17

they've got some amazing photos of playing there. Cape

49:19

Town's another one, which I love, with a

49:21

mountain in the background. Beautiful

49:24

ground. But yeah, I

49:26

mean, we're so lucky, we've

49:28

been lucky that I've played at pretty much

49:30

every ground in the world and they're just,

49:32

yeah, it's been incredible. Looking

49:35

back now Jimmy, last 20 years, what

49:38

has cricket given you? Apart

49:40

from this house. Apart

49:44

from this lovely, lovely house.

49:46

For the benefit of this, it is a lovely

49:48

house. Well,

49:50

obviously it's given me so much. I've

49:52

had the most amazing time, I've been

49:54

to some incredible places playing cricket and

49:57

made some incredible memories. I think that's, you

49:59

know. memories that

50:01

will last a lifetime. You

50:03

know, it's been a phenomenal journey. You

50:07

know, I've got some incredible friends through

50:09

playing cricket, and I'm sure that won't,

50:12

you know, those friendships will still be there. I'll

50:14

still be doing this podcast, I presume, in the

50:16

next 16 years, so. Yeah,

50:20

it's just, yeah,

50:22

it's been a, I just feel

50:24

really privileged that I've been able to play this sport

50:27

for 20 odd years, because it's been

50:32

something that's, it's always been in my life, like my

50:34

dad played cricket. You know, it's always been there from

50:36

a young age. I was playing on the boundary edge

50:39

at T at a club game at Burnley, and obviously,

50:42

the standards got a bit higher since then, but

50:45

it's just been the most amazing time. I've

50:47

asked a few people online, and some of

50:50

your mates and stuff, and I guess the overwhelming feeling

50:52

is, just people want us to just let you know

50:54

how much joy you've brought them over the years, and

50:57

I know you find it difficult, and you kind of accept

50:59

compliments, but you've brought a lot of people

51:01

a lot of joy. So on

51:03

behalf of me, and all the

51:05

Tlandas, and all the Tendulkas, thank

51:09

you. And this has

51:11

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51:13

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