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little different. Because we

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couldn't do one. And that's

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okay. Instead, we reached out to

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actual professionals opinions

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are on these characters after

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you've listened to this episode,

3:21

hey, check that out. Be really

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cool. And it's a really good one

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guys, like really good. I

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actually there for it. And oh my

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god, it's amazing. So totally

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check that out. And lastly,

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triggers. Remember how I said

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we're doing a lot of these in

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advance a boy I hope I'm hitting

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all these because I think Margie

3:41

missed a couple of them. So we

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have death violence, stalking

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and mental health issues. So

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bingo, not great. But I just

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want to make sure we heal those

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and God I hope I got them all.

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So thank you guys so much for

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hanging in there. It was a lot

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to get through and we did it

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together. You guys are great.

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And I suppose without further

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ado, please enjoy episode A 39

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The language of purple flowers

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tearing me apart from

4:25

Hello, and welcome to

4:25

textual tension. love hate

4:28

relationship with romance

4:28

novels. I'm your co host Margie,

4:30

and I'm your co host Rachel.

4:30

Every other week one of us reads

4:34

and summarizes a romance novel

4:34

for the other unsuspecting co

4:37

host. And together we unpack

4:40

what the fuck

4:41

just happened. So

4:41

Margie, this book was shouted

4:48

out to us by Olivia one of our

4:48

patrons. Yeah, yeah. So thank

4:53

you, Olivia. She wanted to see

4:53

our reaction to it and Olivia.

4:59

Oh boy. I have many feelings,

4:59

damn feelings. And I don't think

5:05

I could talk to you about them

5:05

at all until I just hand the

5:07

book over to you. Oh, so that is

5:07

what I'm going to do. But thank

5:10

you, Olivia. Oh, god, okay,

5:10

okay, okay,

5:12

we're gonna get right into this. Yeah, we're

5:14

gonna crack right into

5:14

this. Oh, good lord. And

5:19

flowers flower. Okay.

5:19

Ah. The subtitle concerns me.

5:30

Oh, just wait. Okay. All

5:30

right. So

5:36

this is by Elizabeth

5:36

Kraft and Shea Olsen and I will

5:39

now only say was Elizabeth Olsen

5:39

isn't one of the Olsen twins.

5:43

No, not the twins. She's

5:43

the older sister. There's

5:47

Elizabeth Olsen married. Yeah,

5:51

come on. Sorry. Of course.

5:52

I'm sure Scarlet Witch.

5:52

She's a badass.

5:55

I mean, true. Yeah.

5:55

Okay, so this cover is like

5:57

actually really Blaine?

5:59

Yes. It is very plain.

5:59

It hides the darkness within

6:02

Yeah, I see that. So

6:02

it's a blue cover and it has the

6:06

word flower. And it looks like

6:06

so the the word flower was

6:09

originally in white but the F

6:09

the W and the R are like lifting

6:13

up and the L O and E are like

6:13

coming down into behind out

6:18

Yeah, like cut out and like

6:18

punched out. And behind it are

6:22

flowers purple roses

6:22

flowers. Are they roses? Yes.

6:25

They should be

6:27

look like violets actually.

6:30

Plot and lose purple

6:30

roses.

6:32

Sorry flower. She had a

6:32

plan then she met him and I hate

6:37

that

6:39

I hate that so much.

6:41

It's oh and that there

6:41

is a little bit of text on the

6:45

back for the book that you could

6:45

read the inside cover that's it

6:48

was my plan

6:52

Oh, okay.

6:54

All right. It's Friday

6:54

night Charlotte. Go out with me.

6:57

There are countless reasons to

6:57

say no my mother's past my

7:01

sister's present my future one

7:01

date he continues his voice low

7:05

almost hypnotic. Say yes. What

7:05

do you have to lose everything?

7:10

I think I hate this. I

7:12

know. I hate that. Look

7:12

at the bottom. What does it say

7:15

on the bottom? Yes, yes. This is why Olivia

7:21

reached out to us.

7:27

Listeners I did not know

7:27

this existed. listeners. This is

7:32

a harlequin teen book. Yeah.

7:38

It shouldn't be.

7:40

Is this Harlequin?

7:40

Romance is like Anthony I'm sure

7:44

why a Yeah. Is it why is there

7:44

six in it?

7:49

There is no sex. Okay.

7:49

There is no sex. So it is why it

7:52

is why but but so the leads are

7:52

18 to 19. So it would have been

7:58

legal. Yeah. And okay for them

7:58

to have sex and they do. They

8:03

get steamy? Yeah, get steamy.

8:06

I hate this.

8:07

Oh, yeah.

8:08

I hate it. Alright,

8:09

Ruby. Okay.

8:11

This was almost a $20

8:11

book.

8:13

I got it from the

8:13

library. Thank God. I mean,

8:17

yeah.

8:17

Oh, good. Yeah. Just

8:17

jumped in this episode. Not a

8:20

bad thing. No, it's just

8:20

refreshing and different. Yeah,

8:22

we're here. Yeah, cuz especially

8:22

since the last one. We had like

8:26

20 minutes of us bullshitting

8:26

with, uh, with our wonderful

8:29

trigger. Bingo.

8:29

Oh, right. Yeah. Oh,

8:29

they're still triggers on this.

8:33

Oh, good. Okay, we'll

8:33

get to that now. So yeah, okay.

8:35

All right. Are we ready? These

8:35

are the things that I've always

8:40

wanted to get the top grades in

8:40

my class, to make my grandmother

8:44

proud. And most of all proof

8:44

that I could succeed where the

8:48

rest of my family had not a

8:48

Stanford acceptance letter.

8:51

early admission. My mother and

8:51

my sister we're obsessed with

8:55

boys and love and sex are so

8:55

obsessed that they lost sight of

8:58

their futures of what they

8:58

wanted. And in the end, they

9:01

lost everything. I'll never let

9:01

a boy distract me. I promised

9:05

myself that. That was before

9:05

tape date. taint from now on,

9:16

before the biggest pop star on

9:16

the planet took an interest in

9:20

me. Before private planes and

9:20

secret dates and lyrics meant

9:25

for me alone. There's so much I

9:25

don't know like why he left

9:29

music. Where he goes when we're

9:29

not together. What dark past

9:33

he's hiding. But when we kiss

9:33

the future feels far away. And

9:36

now I'm not sure what I want. I

9:36

didn't know I hate this more.

9:42

Oh, you will? Oh, I will

9:42

need the bar.

9:48

Gee, no. Oh, no.

9:50

Don't say that to be say

9:50

that to Olivia. Olivia. Olivia.

9:53

We love you though. No, it's

9:53

fine. That's fine. I live. My

9:57

best friend's name is Olivia. So

9:59

I do Still

10:02

I don't know how I feel

10:02

about the fact that Harlequin

10:04

teen romance novels exist. I

10:04

mean, I

10:08

feel terrible about

10:08

surprise because like I read a

10:10

lot of teen like YA novel, young

10:10

I mean, they're not far off the

10:15

mark from what this is not far

10:15

off the mark from what I was

10:18

reading. It's just the the

10:18

category of putting it into

10:21

Harlequin at all right? Instead

10:21

of just doing calling it a

10:26

accompany. Yeah, yeah. So

10:26

Harlequin is Carla Quinn or

10:31

Harley Quinn, Harley Quinn. So

10:31

um, Harley Quinn, Harley Quinn

10:35

is a company that produces

10:35

mostly romance novels, as far as

10:39

I'm aware. So this is like their

10:39

sub is Harlequin teen.

10:44

They could have come up with a better name.

10:46

They could have come up

10:46

with any literally anything

10:48

about

10:48

young adult. Oh, and I

10:48

feel like they could have like,

10:51

they didn't have to put Harlequin in there. No, they should not distance themselves

10:53

from your life. Right? Because

10:56

that Harlequin itself has like

10:56

not a great reputation doesn't

11:01

know well. Why would you market

11:01

that towards teens?

11:04

Why would you market

11:04

this? So here's the thing.

11:07

Here's the thing about this

11:07

book, this book is severely

11:11

damaging. These are the books

11:11

that me and Rachel have talked

11:13

about of like, Oh, we don't want

11:13

people social justice. Social.

11:19

We don't want so one of the

11:19

reasons why we started this

11:21

podcast beyond just being a

11:21

comedy podcast is that we want

11:24

to expose the behavior that is

11:24

unhealthy. Yes. Horrible. Yes.

11:28

And somebody very young reading

11:28

this thinking that this is an

11:31

okay, romance is gonna get a

11:31

really distorted view so that

11:34

somebody can take advantage of

11:34

them. Also, I rewatch surviving

11:37

our Kelly this week, and I was

11:37

just social justice rant. Yes.

11:42

So um, that's my big concern

11:42

with this book. Is that

11:46

good? And sarcastic?

11:46

Good? Yeah. Is

11:49

that Oh, young girls

11:49

reading this are gonna think

11:51

it's okay. And it's not and I am

11:51

waving the book in the air.

11:54

Like,

11:55

Oh, I'm so ready. Right?

11:55

I swear this dumpster fire. Oh,

12:00

yeah. Okay, so Margie

12:00

did the thing again, where she

12:03

wrote two thirds of the notes

12:03

and then stop. Great. Good. But

12:06

I read the whole book. I need

12:06

triggers, though. Oh, triggers

12:09

I'm sorry. Trigger. Triggers are

12:09

very obsessive behavior, very

12:13

controlling behavior on the

12:13

borderline of like stalking.

12:16

Cool. Good. Yeah, surprisingly,

12:16

you'll probably be like, No,

12:19

that's stalking but like, cuz I

12:19

read it right. Next. Let's see.

12:25

What else

12:26

do you think it's interesting that that kind of speaks to how hard like, when

12:27

you read it, you're like, Well,

12:30

maybe it's that and then when you tell like

12:32

somebody else they're like,

12:33

yeah, it's that Yeah,

12:35

I had a conversation

12:35

with my my other friend last

12:37

night and she was telling me

12:37

about this creepy guy at work.

12:40

And I was like, You need to

12:40

report this HR but because she's

12:43

in the middle of it. It's hard

12:43

to see when you're in the middle

12:45

of Right exactly. And I was

12:45

like, No, this is really good. I

12:48

was telling her make sure you

12:48

take pictures of those messages

12:51

and she's like, I don't think I

12:51

need to do that and what do you

12:53

do you do anyway so

12:56

All right, y'all

12:56

strapped in for social justice

12:58

insanity. Okay. Wait so is that

12:58

it just

13:01

started really stalking

13:01

the I we can always come back

13:05

that's what I recall. Because it

13:05

is like like I said, there's no

13:09

assault thankfully. Oh, there is

13:09

some violence at the end. I'm

13:11

sorry. Okay, some girl on girl

13:11

kept like violence.

13:16

It's gonna be like,

13:16

like, is Rachel's feminism brain

13:21

going to just die? getting that

13:21

vibe.

13:26

Well, guess we're gonna

13:26

find out in the believer vibe.

13:29

Oh, Jesus believer. Yeah. Oh,

13:29

you should be feeling that. I

13:33

feel for sure. Awesome.

13:35

I believe I could fly.

13:35

Okay. Hashtag our Kelly. Oh, I

13:41

believe I could die. Okay, so we

13:41

got we got Charlotte, who is an

13:47

18 year old high school senior.

13:47

She is She's smart. She's

13:50

perfect grades. She's pretty.

13:50

She's sweet. There's not a lot

13:54

of descriptions do I think she

13:54

has curly hair? I think she has

13:57

green eye.

13:59

She's a MC MC teen.

13:59

Yeah, she's

14:01

exactly right. Her

14:01

grandmother who's raising her.

14:06

Her grandmother. She had law

14:06

words or hard words or her.

14:11

Charlotte has a grandmother who

14:11

is raising her along with her

14:15

older sister Mia who has a

14:15

suddenly Oh, okay. Yeah, so it's

14:19

four people in the house.

14:19

Charlotte is determined not to

14:22

make the same mistakes as her

14:22

mother's last slash sister. Fall

14:26

in love, get pregnant and have

14:26

everything fall apart. Charlotte

14:29

and Mia's mom

14:31

falling in love and

14:31

getting pregnant doesn't have to

14:33

mean everything falls apart. But

14:33

sure, but also falling

14:36

in love doesn't mean

14:36

everything. Bad thing exactly.

14:39

So I'm Charlotte and Mia's

14:39

mother was kind of always going

14:45

after another guy she was very

14:45

young when she got pregnant with

14:48

Sharla Mia they twins they're

14:48

not twins me as older by just

14:52

like by a year or two years

14:52

maybe. And so she got pregnant

14:59

very young. Some dating guys,

14:59

one night got I think high and

15:03

drunk and literally her

15:03

boyfriend RAM to them into a

15:07

concrete wall. And they backed.

15:07

Oh, good. So her mother's dead.

15:11

Okay, yeah, great. Um, this book

15:11

is also I said, I have though,

15:16

this book is a goddamn

15:16

stereotype. Charlotte's best

15:18

friend of high school is a gay

15:18

boy named Carlos, who was always

15:22

trying to get her to go out with him.

15:24

You cannot convince me.

15:24

It's not my cat in human form.

15:28

Yes, there you go. cause

15:28

danger, Carlos Danger. I think

15:31

he does have dark curly hair.

15:31

Perfect. Done. Afterwards,

15:35

Charlotte works in a flower

15:35

shop. And one day, a guy comes

15:39

in and she's like, so she's in

15:39

the flower shop. She's doing her

15:41

thing. You know, she's like,

15:41

she's playing her music, I think

15:44

on either her speakers or

15:44

headphones. And she's kind of

15:46

dancing while she's putting

15:46

together flower arrangements.

15:49

Honestly, I do the same thing.

15:49

Like when you're working you're

15:52

just trying to make things a

15:52

little more normal human thing,

15:54

right? And this guy comes in

15:54

comes in and he said he's, she's

15:59

caught off guard cuz she's like

15:59

a little embarrassed that he

16:02

caught her dancing. And guy says

16:02

he wants flowers. He introduces

16:07

himself as Tate and asks her

16:07

what her flight favorite flowers

16:10

are.

16:11

taint Tate? No, it's

16:11

taint. Oh, it's tape. Right?

16:14

It's stain.

16:15

She says purple roses,

16:15

any orders? A dozen of them to

16:18

be delivered. I can't remember

16:18

if he takes. No, he says he'll

16:23

come and pick them up like the

16:23

next day. All right, the next

16:25

day. Those flowers show up at

16:25

her high school at Charlotte's

16:30

high school while she's in

16:30

class.

16:34

That is

16:37

a new was where she worked and what her first name was rify Yang. She didn't tell

16:38

him her name. He read it off of

16:43

her name tag. Oh, you know where

16:43

she went to school? I hate it.

16:50

She hides them in her locker.

16:50

And she actually like is not

16:55

creeped out is totally fine with

16:55

that. Yeah. Oh. Oh, it gets

17:02

worse. Shower. It's so early.

17:07

It's so horrifying.

17:09

Yeah. Yeah. And he's so

17:09

he's 19. She's 18. It's very

17:14

young to be doing that kind of

17:14

like you stalking behavior. You

17:18

know, that is such. So I was

17:18

talking to my other friend about

17:21

this. I'm sorry, Lindsay. And

17:21

she actually works. She's

17:25

becoming like an advocate for

17:25

kids with with mental hmm, yeah,

17:30

mental health problems. And

17:30

can't remember she's becoming a

17:33

psychologist or what she's

17:33

studying right now. And I was

17:35

telling her about this book. And

17:35

she was like, Yeah, this is this

17:37

is really bad. It sounds like

17:37

he's got she's got a desperate

17:42

need for attention. And he's got

17:42

some sort of obsessive

17:45

narcissistic personality

17:45

disorder. I just, yeah, high

17:49

school. Okay. So I know, I know.

17:49

I know. So Charlotte goes back

17:53

to work that afternoon. I

17:53

wouldn't want to go to work, but

17:57

she does. Oh, and guess who

17:57

comes in homeboy? He has brought

18:03

her eight copies as he didn't

18:03

know what she would like. He

18:07

leaves after giving her sad

18:07

coffee. And this happened in an

18:11

anime I watched like something

18:11

very similar. And it was Guess

18:14

what? It was totally creepy. It

18:14

was just weird. Yeah, you're so

18:19

disgusted. It's so funny. Oh, my

18:22

God. I know. I know. I

18:22

just I wish that my facial

18:26

expressions could come across in

18:26

an audio medium.

18:29

Oh, it's worse. No, yes.

18:29

No.

18:33

The next thing I wanted

18:33

to start my Saturday so on

18:36

Friday,

18:37

she's closing her shop.

18:37

She's locked the door to the

18:40

flower shop. She's getting ready to go home.

18:41

That means it's night.

18:41

It is night and she's alone.

18:45

Yeah.

18:46

Fuck, fuck. So she's

18:46

like locking up. She's almost

18:50

ready to go home and she hears a

18:50

knock on the door. It's tape

19:00

and, um, so she's like, nope,

19:00

doors already locked. I'm headed

19:04

out. Good night like she kind of

19:04

does. Her phone starts ringing

19:14

she didn't give him her number.

19:14

She answers he says come out

19:18

with me. It's Friday night. Let

19:18

me take you out. She's thinks

19:22

it's cute. She goes out with

19:22

somebody stalking so much soggy.

19:31

far into the book. Are we oh,

19:31

we're like 20 pages 20 to 50

19:35

pages. Yeah.

19:37

Healthy, basic

19:37

relationship.

19:40

So he takes her out to a

19:40

fancy restaurant and there's a

19:43

lot of that we're like any t

19:43

shirt.

19:45

He's a t shirt. 19.

19:45

He's 19.

19:50

So he takes her to this

19:50

fancy restaurant. Oh, and they

19:52

lit and she lives in LA in LA.

19:52

And he it's just a very weird

19:59

like Kind of. He goes through

19:59

the backdoor with her because he

20:03

knows the chef there and he does

20:03

all this weird like nodding

20:06

thing of like, just assuming,

20:06

like, things are gonna get done

20:09

because he nods like the waiter.

20:09

He nods at the chef, you know

20:12

what I mean? Okay, like in the

20:12

movie like my central powers.

20:16

Well, it's like, you know what I mean? But you see that? Oh, yeah, these of like, they kind

20:18

of like rich people give the

20:20

head nod and suddenly the other

20:20

person knows exactly what he's

20:23

what they want. Yeah,

20:24

and you're rich, you can

20:24

pay to read people's minds and

20:27

plant ideas. So on the rich,

20:29

they have a great

20:29

evening. They talk about stuff.

20:34

I guess.

20:35

I like

20:37

cheese, delicious food.

20:39

My insides have curled

20:39

into a ball of like horror,

20:46

right? I just

20:48

Oh my god. I'm just

20:48

really angry at Elizabeth Kraft

20:52

and Cher Olsen. This is not

20:52

healthy behavior. It's terrible.

20:55

It's really bad. So the way

20:57

that this book would be

20:57

okay, is it in the middle of it?

21:00

She realizes what the fuck am I

21:00

doing and then goes to Stanford.

21:03

Right? So so on the way

21:03

out of the restaurant. She gets

21:07

caught in a street kerfuffle,

21:07

what you have to try really hard

21:11

to do. I know that I work

21:11

downtown in a pretty sketchy

21:13

area of my downtown. Yeah, it's

21:13

hard to get caught up in like a

21:17

fight.

21:17

No, I mean, sometimes

21:17

you walk outside and you

21:20

accidentally yell Hey, anyone want to

21:22

fight. So she gets

21:22

caught in the middle of this

21:26

kerfuffle and he kind of like

21:26

pulls these guys off of her like

21:30

day to day and suddenly cameras

21:30

are flashing. Oh wait, he's

21:36

famous. And I put famous and a

21:36

capital F. Like every other

21:43

level. Capitalize

21:44

on me. It's Roman, like

21:44

rainbow colors.

21:47

It is famous. So he is

21:47

take Collins famous musical

21:53

artist. Like think that Billy

21:53

Eilish doing this behavior is

21:58

okay. And she's pretty close to

21:58

this age. Yeah, you know, she's

22:02

like what? 2020 so

22:04

she wouldn't worry about

22:04

pulling someone out of a fight

22:08

she just summon a demon. Billy I

22:08

love you your music is amazing.

22:15

She a bad guy.

22:17

She just like have you

22:17

know the like, weird demonic arm

22:21

shoot out of her chest to grab

22:21

the dude and pull it into the

22:23

void. Yeah, you're

22:23

right your goalie right

22:23

the boy that center chest. Yeah,

22:26

yeah, yeah, my portal. That's

22:26

what I'd like to do. Yeah.

22:29

Anyways, so

22:31

like a friend cuz come

22:31

to come.

22:35

He's sitting under there

22:35

the whole time. Yeah, no idea.

22:38

Yeah, so venom. He wants that.

22:38

So like venom? Yeah, yeah.

22:42

Phantom.

22:43

Demonic. Yeah. So she,

22:46

Charlotte runs. She's

22:46

like, I can't get caught up in

22:49

this like all this like, pop

22:49

around. I'm out of here.

22:51

Which I'm smart girl

22:51

smart girl should have run a

22:54

while ago. Yes. But also

22:56

the camera should have

22:56

already caught her. Yeah, you

22:58

know what I mean? The next day

22:58

is pretty normal at school,

23:00

except Charlotte's head is in

23:00

the clouds because of homeboy.

23:06

No, don't give me that

23:06

face.

23:12

Carlos and Charlotte

23:12

walk out of school. And Carlos

23:15

says Hey, before you go to work, do you want to go get some coffee down the street. And

23:17

Charles make sure that we can

23:20

work on homework together.

23:21

Because we're friends.

23:21

Yeah. And I'm allowed to have a

23:24

friend that's a boy weights. I

23:24

know where this is going

23:27

weights.

23:28

So they're they walk to

23:28

the coffee shop together. And

23:33

she notices a black car like a

23:33

Range Rover type like literally,

23:38

like literal soggy and it's not

23:38

following that. But like so they

23:42

get to the coffee shop. That car

23:42

was outside of school. Now it's

23:45

outside of the coffee shop and

23:45

just pulled up. So Carla, they

23:49

sit down, they get their coffees, they start their homework. Carlos says he has to

23:51

go to the bathroom. So he goes

23:54

in. Tate walks into the coffee

23:54

shop. While he's gone. Well,

23:59

Carlos is gone. Uh huh. And

23:59

let's see. And he asked to take

24:06

her out again, he's like, I'm really sorry about what happened last night. I would really like

24:08

to take you out again. She says

24:11

no. And he leaves. Good. Yeah.

24:11

So Carlos is in the bathroom

24:16

during this entire encounter,

24:16

though. He misses everything.

24:18

And he has no Carlos has no idea

24:18

that this is happening.

24:21

Yeah. And also he just

24:21

showed up at a coffee shop that

24:24

she just happened to be going to

24:24

for funsies Yeah, because he's

24:28

been following her.

24:30

Um, so then our girl

24:30

well, so Charlotte goes, gets

24:35

goes into the bathroom, and she

24:35

gets cornered by a golf girl who

24:39

tells her to stay away from

24:39

homeboy and our girls like,

24:43

that's fine with me. Let's see

24:43

him again.

24:48

Because, of course, why

24:48

she got to be guff.

24:51

I have no idea. So in

24:51

Charlotte's mind. She feels like

24:57

Tate lied to her and that's why

24:57

she does doesn't want to see

25:00

Yeah, that's the

25:01

problem with this. Oh,

25:01

yeah. Right, right.

25:07

After the coffee, our

25:07

girl goes to work that afternoon

25:11

to discover that homeboy has

25:11

bought all of the flowers in the

25:17

flower shop and donated them to

25:17

a hospital so we can take girl

25:20

out. She says no, again, because

25:20

she has any work to do. What?

25:27

Yeah, and her boss is like, her

25:27

boss says, like, you'll still

25:32

get paid for the time, but like

25:32

somebody bought out all the

25:34

flowers and then take walks in.

25:34

Yes, yeah. See, I find that to

25:40

be extremely creepy. I mean,

25:40

everything's buying her time.

25:45

Yes. Oh, I just yeah,

25:45

you broke me. I broke in. And I

25:51

need I'm gonna need my throwing

25:51

cupcake at some point.

25:53

Well, because this is a

25:53

team episode. I feel like we

25:56

can't drink and I'm really bad about that.

25:58

You know where we could

25:58

and just not ominous about not

26:01

terrible.

26:02

Not yet. Not yet. I'm

26:02

not ready yet. So and her boss

26:06

is like her boss is a woman. I

26:06

think her name is like Jennifer

26:09

or something. And her. Her and

26:09

her boss is like totally okay

26:13

with all this happening.

26:15

Which is not experiment,

26:15

which by the way, I have an

26:18

interesting thought experiment

26:18

for the like after this. Okay, I

26:22

want to go through after all

26:22

this entire episode at the end,

26:24

I want to discuss gender

26:24

flipping it. But okay, my

26:29

interesting thought experiment

26:29

for the end, right? Yes. But for

26:32

now, if you owned a shop, let's

26:32

say let's do something

26:37

different, let's say like a

26:37

bookstore, right. And someone

26:40

came in and put all of the books

26:40

in your store and donated them

26:48

to an orphanage or something.

26:48

Just so they could go out with

26:52

the person at the counter?

26:53

Yeah. At your store, right.

26:57

What would you do? I

26:57

think my first response would be

27:00

no, you can't buy all of my

27:00

books.

27:04

No, I would say no. Go

27:04

ahead and buy all the books. And

27:07

then I would call that employee

27:07

and say don't show up into work

27:09

today. Yeah, that's probably

27:09

what I would do. Because I would

27:12

still take the money.

27:13

Yeah, I mean, okay,

27:13

that's fair. I

27:15

if they're that stupid,

27:15

I'm taking their money. First of

27:18

all, I want

27:19

to wire transfer. Yeah,

27:19

confirm it right. My Account.

27:23

Yeah. Second, who the fuck is

27:23

gonna deliver all the books, I

27:27

probably still need her to come

27:27

help. And third, I would be

27:30

calling the cops.

27:32

You. Here's the thing,

27:32

though, like and this is because

27:35

I was listening to a Jeffrey

27:35

Epstein podcast. They just had a

27:39

hell of a week. They would not

27:39

do anything about it. Like this

27:43

guy, supposedly super famous,

27:43

like Grammy winning artist. So

27:47

like, I don't think that they

27:47

would do anything if he just

27:49

went and bought something, or

27:49

did something stupid, like buy a

27:52

bunch of flowers?

27:53

Honestly, I think that

27:53

the most unrealistic thing about

27:57

this entire scenario is the fact

27:57

that you didn't recognize him on

27:59

site.

28:00

Yeah, she mentions that

28:00

too. Cuz when she sees him she's

28:03

like, I recognize you. But I

28:03

don't know from where because,

28:05

you know, she's one of those.

28:05

She doesn't follow the pop star.

28:09

She always studying. She's

28:09

hashtag basic, but she's not one

28:14

of quote unquote, those girls.

28:14

Oh, yeah. Yes. Right. She's

28:18

not like other girls.

28:22

Oh, I

28:23

hated just saying that.

28:24

I know. It was awful. It

28:24

may be my insides crawl. I'm so

28:29

bad boss. Talks Charlie into

28:29

chasing after homeboy after he

28:33

walks out the door. Yeah, and

28:33

homeboy takes Charlotte to his

28:36

house

28:42

All right, we're playing

28:42

a game Hi. I'm Rachel voice go

28:47

during this entire goddamn

28:47

episode. What the fuck? He said

28:51

like get to his house

28:51

and she's kind of like Why have

28:53

you been so upset? Why are you

28:53

so obsessed with me?

28:58

I would ask that

28:58

question before I went with him

29:00

alone to his abode. Her

29:02

and um, he explains that

29:02

he started stalking her because

29:05

she was so intriguing. And

29:05

because she didn't recognize him

29:10

if you want somebody doesn't

29:10

recognize him recognize you go

29:12

to like India.

29:15

Kappa with ABS intriguing.

29:20

I'm saying that because

29:20

India has a large plethora of

29:23

their own celebrities.

29:25

If you want someone to

29:25

not give a shit about you call

29:29

me.

29:31

Let's be honest. Okay.

29:31

Um, he kisses her.

29:37

The way you said that

29:37

concerns me because it wasn't

29:40

they kiss it was he kisses her.

29:43

She tells Oh, she was

29:43

into it. She tells him it's her

29:46

first kiss and he immediately

29:46

pushes her away and is like I'm

29:49

not right for you. He literally

29:49

just turns around and walks back

29:53

into the house and leaves her

29:53

outside and has the bodyguard

29:56

drive her home. Can you imagine

29:56

just kissing someone and the big

30:10

like so drama? I'm not right for

30:10

you and then just walking back

30:14

into your mansion to wage shifts

30:14

thing to do,

30:20

because Bruce Wayne at

30:20

least still is human underneath

30:25

this child,

30:28

poor child man.

30:30

Like he's here's another

30:30

thing to think about. He's about

30:35

just slightly younger than my

30:35

little brother. I would punch my

30:40

little brother if he ever did

30:40

something like

30:42

this. I'm only child.

30:42

Yeah, he's an only child Saxon

30:47

only child too, though.

30:47

And he's a normal human.

30:50

Yeah, I'm not saying

30:50

that. I'm saying he doesn't have

30:52

a sibling to like, tell Hutchins

30:52

is not okay. He needs like an

30:56

older brother to tell him that

30:56

this shit is not okay. Kick to

30:58

the air. Yeah, he needs he needs

30:58

a lot of things. He know a lot

31:03

of

31:03

really honestly,

31:03

honestly. He really just needs

31:06

professional help. You just need

31:06

to get hit. He needs like to sit

31:09

down with a therapist. Right.

31:09

And he has the money to do Yeah.

31:13

Yeah, God. So she's

31:13

pissed and hurt. Right? I mean,

31:19

rightfully so she's 18. You

31:19

know? She's when you're,

31:23

when you're like, what's

31:23

the most so?

31:27

impressionable?

31:27

impressionable? It seems like

31:30

he's almost grooming her. Yeah,

31:30

yeah. And there's that hot and

31:34

cold. There's that hot and cold.

31:34

Right, exactly. And so she's

31:38

hurt. And she's like, but she

31:38

does not hear from him for three

31:41

weeks. Good, right? She goes to

31:41

his house a few weeks later, and

31:47

is like, hey, what you did

31:47

wasn't cool. Why bring me all

31:50

the way to your freaking place,

31:50

and then just push me away and

31:52

have your driver take me home? I

31:52

mean, why do all of those

31:55

things?

31:56

I'm glad she called him

31:56

on it, but at the same time,

31:58

leave us leave it be.

32:00

So he's like, I want to

32:00

date you. But there have to be

32:03

boundaries. And I have to set

32:03

those boundaries myself.

32:06

He's the one. No, no,

32:06

if you are stalking someone, you

32:13

don't get to set the boundaries.

32:13

We've already established.

32:18

Exactly. She's like, No,

32:18

that's not going to fly with me.

32:22

And this is place she calls them

32:22

at 3am. Girl I changed my mind.

32:28

Let's try it your way. Girl. No,

32:28

literally girl. Oh.

32:38

You're just trying to

32:38

make our listeners drunk.

32:42

Well, it's my I mean, as

32:42

long as somebody is getting

32:45

drunk sorry.

32:46

This is a teen book.

32:46

hopped up on soda pop. Yeah,

32:49

that's what this is days right

32:49

shit ton of their sock their

32:54

Zehra kids not to do

32:54

drugs. Dare them not to read

32:58

Harlequin teen romance novels. I

32:58

mean, oh, shit.

33:02

Well, here's the

33:02

problem. Don't read Harlequin

33:05

teen romance novels is a given

33:05

that. If you didn't point it

33:09

out, I wouldn't have known. Oh,

33:09

yeah. It looks like a regular

33:12

young adult. Right novel. Yeah,

33:12

I would have had no idea. So

33:15

problematic.

33:16

Okay. He picks her up

33:16

from school. The next day right

33:19

blindfold sir. I'm okay. And

33:19

takes her to an old Hollywood

33:27

theater to watch Casa Blanca

33:27

together because she's never

33:30

seen it before. And there's like

33:30

this whole dinner setup. It's

33:33

just the two of them. Roses,

33:33

sparkling water. Very fancy.

33:42

is happening.

33:43

Oh, yeah. And when she

33:43

gets nervous about said

33:46

blindfold, he's all like, Don't

33:46

you trust me? My eyes roll into

33:50

the sunset.

33:52

If you have to ask,

33:55

then. No. And also

33:57

you've done nothing

33:58

to earn that trust.

33:58

Exactly.

34:02

Wow, you just open the book. Are we already almost towards the end of it?

34:05

We're getting there. Oh, shit. Okay,

34:07

this was a fast one.

34:08

Yeah, well, it's only

34:08

like 300 page book.

34:11

That gives us more time

34:11

for our thought experiment.

34:13

Oh, yeah. Oh, let's see.

34:16

Hang on. I want to go get my throwing cupcake. I feel like I'm gonna need it at the

34:18

end. Oh, yeah.

34:20

Good idea. Um, so on the

34:20

way so he out on the way out of

34:27

the theater. And like on her way

34:27

home. He's going to drive her

34:32

home and his car and she gets

34:32

into a car and she sees like on

34:35

the sidewalk three other girls

34:35

who are very, like, let's stop

34:39

glammy and she's like, I don't

34:39

look like that. You know any

34:41

mean? Like? Yeah, so then so he

34:41

picks her up again the next day.

34:49

She she's and she's also she's

34:49

been lying to her grandmother

34:53

and to Carlos about where she's

34:53

going. She's not been telling

34:56

anyone that she's stealing Tate.

34:56

Yeah,

34:59

that's a good thing to do God the dude that you

35:02

haven't told anyone that

35:02

you're going out with? That is

35:04

not a good idea. No, where's our

35:04

castle? Horrible idea. Um, so

35:11

the night he calls her the next

35:11

morning and says, I want to take

35:14

you out for another kind of like

35:14

surprise run. Let's do this.

35:17

Okay, he takes her to a big old

35:17

department store and buys her a

35:22

bunch of shit. A bunch of really

35:22

expensive beautiful clothes.

35:28

Good. Yeah. That's how I

35:28

like to start my relationships

35:30

by having my love purchased for

35:30

me.

35:33

Yep, yep. And he gets

35:33

her hair done.

35:37

And makes her look like

35:37

the glitzy chicks. And yes, and

35:39

gets her makeup da. It's like you're like, Well, if

35:41

you just take your hair down and

35:44

take your glasses off, you'll be beautiful.

35:45

I think 80s Montage for

35:45

music like like princesses

35:51

versus diaries.

35:53

Yes, that's exactly what

35:53

I was. Exactly. Okay, what 80s

35:55

Montage song would we have in

35:55

the background of this? I'm

35:58

thinking I'm

35:59

too sexy. Oh, I should

35:59

know. So we still think about

36:03

like red flags. Yeah, maybe like

36:06

dancing clean.

36:08

So that's pretty good,

36:08

huh? Um, let's see. So she's

36:13

out. They go out to a

36:13

restaurant. And she's really

36:17

glammed up really, let's stop.

36:17

And as I think as they're

36:20

walking out, pictures are

36:20

snapped of her, of course, of

36:25

course of her and him together

36:25

and he does his best to like,

36:28

make it so that they people

36:28

won't recognize her but like

36:31

it's too late. They've taken

36:31

pictures of her so she gets she

36:35

says like it's okay. He says, he

36:35

says he apologizes for he's

36:39

like, I'm really sorry. I don't want you to get caught up in that kind of stuff. You know my

36:41

world. Yeah. You're dating her?

36:45

Yeah, you're dating or it's

36:45

that's how it works.

36:47

And also adult human

36:47

conversations are Hey, by the

36:50

way, I'm this thing. Are you

36:50

comfortable with

36:53

that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

36:53

Yeah. Okay. Um, so she changes

36:57

in the car out of the clothes

36:57

that she bought him or he bought

37:00

her. And he's in the car with

37:00

her. He turns around, but he's

37:05

like in the car. And I'm like,

37:05

why didn't you get out of the

37:07

fucking car and just

37:08

wait outside, which is

37:08

not change? Well, she has to

37:12

change

37:12

because she doesn't want

37:12

to grandmother's. She just got a

37:15

picture taken. Well, so the her

37:15

picture has been taken, but she

37:19

doesn't know she doesn't think that anyone's still gonna recognize her because she has

37:21

highlights in the picture. She's

37:23

wearing this gland. Remove the

37:23

highlights from her hair well,

37:27

and also views covering up like

37:27

her eyes. Okay, so it's a book

37:31

writer, right? Suspension of

37:31

disbelief. Wow, that's gone.

37:35

Yeah. So then, um, oh, yeah. The

37:35

next day. Her sister burst into

37:40

her room and says like, what the

37:40

hills with this and it is the

37:43

picture and processor. Mia is

37:43

like, you're wearing our mom's

37:47

ring. I recognize it. Like I

37:47

know. It's

37:50

okay. Nice. And amount.

37:50

Shay.

37:54

You're right. It's me.

37:54

I've been dating this guy. Don't

37:56

tell grandma. You owe me anyway.

37:59

Okay, this is fine.

38:01

Right. That's a healthy

38:01

sister. Yeah. And so

38:03

she and so share

38:03

Charlotte, Texas. Tatum is like

38:06

Does anybody else know? And he

38:06

says, no, no one knows who you

38:09

are. They haven't figured it out

38:09

yet. And she gets to he was able

38:15

to figure out who she

38:15

was based on her name. And the

38:19

flower shop she works at chances

38:19

are other people are going to be

38:23

able to to.

38:24

So she gets to school.

38:24

And nobody recognized her but

38:28

Carlos comes up to her locker

38:28

and says the same thing. I

38:31

recognize your ring. I know that

38:31

it's you. Why did you lie to me?

38:34

And she's like, I just kind of

38:34

wanted to, like be my own thing.

38:38

I just want to be my own person. He

38:40

makes me feel different.

38:40

Hmm. So like other boys, and she

38:44

told us Yes. So he's a little

38:44

mad at her. And he's like, do

38:50

you promise not to lie to me

38:50

again? And she's like, Yes, I

38:52

totally promise. I still cool.

38:52

Okay. All right.

38:56

Whether or not she lies

38:56

to him again. That doesn't sound

39:02

like

39:05

Alright, so I'm sure

39:05

they keep dating and secret. One

39:13

morning she wakes up Charlotte

39:13

wakes up and Mia comes up to her

39:17

says there's something weird outside you need to come and take a look at this. And she's

39:19

like what? There's snow all over

39:23

their yard and in the front yard

39:23

and in their backyard and Tate

39:26

is in the backyard with all this

39:26

snow and he's I think it's a

39:30

it's a la Yeah, it's because

39:30

she's told him at one point she

39:33

had never seen snow. So we

39:33

bought her snow he buys her snow

39:39

Excuse me What the fuck? He buys

39:39

her snow and tells her that he

39:43

wants her to come home with him

39:43

for Christmas to meet his

39:45

parents.

39:47

Okay, cool things should

39:47

have been Rachel science corner.

39:54

Yes, you can make artificial

39:54

snow. It's still fucking LA. Is

39:59

it winter? In LA,

40:00

I've no idea. Well, you

40:00

know what it is because it's

40:03

your Christmas.

40:04

Okay, that's fair. So

40:04

it's 60 degrees. Well, I mean,

40:08

technically, yes. It could get

40:08

warm or cold enough for them to

40:14

artificially make snow there.

40:17

But how are you going to transport it? It's

40:18

probably radioactive.

40:18

Well,

40:21

what if they got it

40:21

here? So there are ski resorts

40:23

in California.

40:24

Yes, there are so we

40:24

could have gotten it was it's

40:27

possible. It's absolutely

40:27

possible.

40:29

The real problem is how

40:29

did nobody wake up all the snow

40:32

was being shoveled onto their yard?

40:34

Yeah, like, like, if you

40:34

ever seen a snow machine?

40:37

They're allowed loud. Yeah.

40:40

I did see that may take

40:40

a long time. I think it might be

40:43

a serve. Like I saw a modern

40:43

family. You know what? Maybe

40:48

they so like, alright. Devil

40:48

advocate. Right? They do. They

40:53

are in LA. So maybe they got

40:53

something from a set or

40:56

something. They probably have a

40:56

snow machine on set somewhere.

40:59

So you probably could have hired

40:59

one of those. Here's what I'm

41:01

imagining pains are very, I

41:01

imagine those are very loud.

41:05

Let me paint a word

41:05

picture, please. It's night.

41:08

Yeah. In the skies above la in

41:08

the very smoky mist. Three

41:17

Blackhawks. And we're talking

41:17

full on like stealth mission and

41:27

just Alright, bay doors open, go

41:27

go.

41:33

Calls. Love it. Hit the

41:33

target. Love it. Stay on target.

41:38

Stay on target. Christ, so and

41:38

she introduces Tate to her

41:45

grandmother. Charlotte. Look,

41:47

grandma. It's my secret

41:47

boyfriend. My secret boyfriend

41:49

who brought us snow.

41:51

Grandmother is not okay

41:51

with it. And it's not okay with

41:54

the guy and she's going out to

41:54

Colorado. Good grandma. And

41:56

literally chapter 12. The

41:56

beginning of it. This is a bad

41:59

idea. Charlotte. Grandma stands

41:59

in the doorway as I sit on my

42:02

suitcase to zip it up.

42:03

Fucking shit. Yeah.

42:03

Well, someone in this book has

42:06

goddamn sense. Yeah,

42:07

seriously, one person.

42:07

So she flies out. She's

42:11

grandma. So she's old.

42:11

So

42:13

she had I don't think that she's that old though. Because her daughter was young

42:15

when she got pregnant. She was

42:17

young when she got pregnant.

42:18

Yeah, but like, she's

42:18

that old? Like she's old.

42:22

So. And they had this

42:22

argument about like, surely

42:27

you're going out to Colorado,

42:27

you're doing all these things

42:30

with this boy. What about your

42:30

future? What about your dreams?

42:33

And I was like, I'm still the

42:33

same person. I'm just going out

42:35

to LA to go out to Colorado to

42:35

meet my boyfriend's parents. You

42:39

know, so like, in that sense,

42:39

I'm kinda like, legitimate Sure.

42:42

The problem is your boyfriend is

42:42

psychotic. Yes. There are other

42:47

problems. Other problems with

42:47

the grandmother doesn't mention

42:49

that. It's about her dreams. Oh,

42:49

of course. Yeah, of course.

42:52

Because the boyfriend spy

42:52

dreams. Boy, boy, boys have

42:59

cooties. her. So she goes out to

42:59

Colorado meets his parents were

43:05

absolutely lovely. They adore

43:05

her. They think she's really

43:08

nice a psychopath and a handle?

43:08

Yeah, like produce a psychopath,

43:13

which is really sad. And there

43:13

is this like, little bit of

43:15

undercurrent of he doesn't get

43:15

along with his parents that

43:18

well. So he's like, trying to

43:18

mend the gap because he got to

43:22

LA to pursue his music career.

43:22

And his parents weren't really

43:25

that thrilled with that. And

43:25

also, they don't have any power

43:28

over him anymore. Because he

43:28

became famous, very young. You

43:31

know, they don't have really any

43:31

say in what he does in his

43:33

career anymore. Right. And so

43:33

that's obviously caused some

43:36

tension, but like, they still

43:36

have a really nice time. And,

43:41

you know, her, his parents are

43:41

great, and all this stuff. So

43:44

that night. And she even

43:44

mentioned, she's like, wow, this

43:48

is like the family. I kind of

43:48

wanted when I was younger, just

43:51

because her family was so

43:51

dysfunctional. So that night,

43:54

she's like, she's ready to lose

43:54

IV card. She is

44:00

go by for

44:01

that to get rid of that

44:01

card, like awesome. So she puts

44:04

she puts on lingerie, and she's

44:04

in her own room.

44:07

I did not own lingerie at 18

44:10

I think like it under,

44:10

you know, cute underwear for a

44:13

teenager. So, um, she puts on

44:13

lingerie, like, you know,

44:18

whatever it was, and I think she

44:18

mentioned like, it's a push up

44:21

bra. So you know, something, okay. Yeah, so it's that Victoria's Secret pink. Right,

44:23

exactly. And so And she goes,

44:27

she knocks on his door. She goes

44:27

into his room, and it's not

44:30

okay. It's not okay. At all.

44:30

Like me. I don't remember.

44:38

You're also at his parents house.

44:40

I don't think that

44:40

that's that weird to do that all

44:42

the time. Like very fair teens.

44:42

Teens bone in their parents

44:47

house all the time. So where

44:47

there's hormones, there's a way

44:50

he comes into her room later

44:50

because she goes back into her

44:53

room when this all goes to shed.

44:53

Um, so she is not sleeping. He

44:58

knocks on her door. He comes in

44:58

And he she thinks, oh, he's here

45:02

to apologize. No, he's here to

45:02

tell her there's going to be a

45:06

jet to come and take her back to

45:06

LA at 7am on Christmas morning.

45:13

Okay, hang on. Yeah. You

45:13

cannot. There's a lot to unpack

45:19

here. There's so much but we're

45:19

gonna start with the fact that

45:23

you cannot. Okay,

45:23

hypothetically, let's get on

45:27

board with the fact that Okay,

45:27

sure. She's gonna follow by your

45:30

limitations that you've

45:30

arbitrarily set in this

45:33

relationship. And she's playing

45:33

by your rules. You have to tell

45:35

her those rules, will you and

45:35

then you can't get upset if she

45:38

breaks the rules that you never told. Yeah.

45:40

Yeah. And also, if she

45:40

breaks the rules, like you can't

45:44

just nobody's perfect. Nobody's

45:44

perfect. You talk it out. Yeah.

45:48

And that's he never likes to

45:48

talk anything out in like a

45:51

human being. And God only knows

45:51

what his parents thought. The

45:55

next morning she's just gone.

45:57

And like, Can I also say

45:57

that I get fuck you money. But

46:05

this kid has no sense of

46:05

retirement plan, does he? He's

46:09

just pissing away all that cash. Hmm. I

46:11

think he really like in

46:11

the book. They describe it as

46:13

like, he is super rich. Like he

46:13

is crazy wealthy. So

46:17

Bezos kind of guy.

46:18

Yeah. Yeah. Great.

46:18

That's why you can you know,

46:21

throw in private jets around everywhere.

46:23

He says his voice better

46:23

like, literally undress people.

46:27

I don't think they even describe what kind of music he makes.

46:30

Your favorite. It's your

46:30

favorites. Your favorite? Yeah.

46:34

You specific?

46:36

Great. Oh, great. Um, so

46:36

she returns to her life. She

46:41

apologizes to her grandma. She's

46:41

like, you were right. I'm sorry.

46:44

It didn't work out. But I'm here

46:44

now. Stanford. Here we come. I'm

46:48

back on track. So that sounds

46:48

great.

46:51

Great, right. You

46:51

mentioned what she like, wants

46:53

to do in Stanford. She

46:54

wants to go to medical school, but it's mostly just because she wants to make money.

46:56

She wants to kind of get out of

46:59

where she is right now. It's not

46:59

really and make

47:01

money what boning a

47:01

popstar fair,

47:05

but let's not that I

47:05

think she's already pretty

47:11

emotionally invested. Yeah. So

47:11

if you're not emotionally

47:14

invested, you live your life,

47:14

but don't break your own heart.

47:17

Jesus. Um, uh, it gets to the

47:17

she came back on well, actually,

47:23

it's been a couple months because she came back from Christmas, right? It is now

47:24

Valentine's Day. Okay. And she's

47:29

still pretty heartbroken because

47:29

she's 18. Right? But she's so

47:34

she works in a lab after school.

47:34

Like another one of our after

47:38

school things to get some credit

47:38

hours for like college and all

47:41

that. And she works with this

47:41

other girl. And as she's like,

47:45

sitting there doing some

47:45

worksheet here. She thinks she

47:47

hears the girl come in Rebecca,

47:47

and she's like, Hey, Rebecca,

47:51

and she turns around and it's hate.

47:54

I hope he's wearing

47:54

close toed shoes and long pants.

47:57

He is not. He's not

47:57

there to work. He's there. Yeah,

48:02

but that's just basic

48:02

lab safety. What doesn't matter

48:05

if you're there to work in the lab, you still can't be in the lab without your close toed

48:07

shoes and your long pants. Okay,

48:09

whatever. Oh, shit. Damn it.

48:11

Okay. So how did he even

48:11

get in the building though? Can

48:14

we just ask that question?

48:14

Money? Money, right? Fuck

48:17

you money. So the fuck

48:17

you magic fucking money.

48:20

Here's something that I

48:20

hate. He is the person who hurt

48:24

her. Right? And he says he asked

48:24

her to apologize. Oh, no. He

48:28

says before you say anything he

48:28

starts Let me explain. No, I

48:33

hate that. I would be so pissed.

48:33

I would be screaming at the

48:36

person. Like if they did yes to

48:36

me. Right? Yeah. Right. And she

48:41

says, I don't want to get back

48:41

together with you. We're too

48:44

different. This is not gonna

48:44

work out.

48:46

So you're an unhealthy human.

48:47

Right and you need it,

48:47

so I'm just gonna read this

48:53

text. I messed up. I know I did.

48:53

And I'm sorry. I never should

48:56

have let you leave Colorado like

48:56

that. I never should have put

48:59

like

48:59

you leave. You're the

48:59

one that got her on the private

49:02

jet.

49:03

Yeah, I'm grinding my

49:03

jaw and I forced myself to stop.

49:06

But you did let me leave. You

49:06

kicked me out of your parents

49:08

house on Christmas morning. Do

49:08

you have any idea how that made

49:11

me feel? How much that hurt me?

49:11

Are you even capable of

49:14

understanding is your heart so

49:14

hollow, so numb from whatever

49:17

ruin to you that you can't even

49:17

see when see when you're

49:20

destroying the people around

49:20

you? And he says, You're all I

49:23

think about and I'm going insane

49:23

not being with you. And so then

49:27

Rebecca comes in, thank God. And

49:27

she. He's like, let me take you

49:32

out. Let's go talk about this.

49:32

And she was like, No, I gotta

49:35

work. And Rebecca says No, she

49:35

doesn't. She doesn't have to

49:38

work. We don't have much work to

49:38

do tonight go out with him.

49:43

This girl needs better

49:43

than Robinson friends in her

49:46

life. And like, I listeners, if

49:46

I don't towards the end of books

49:52

like this, if I'm not saying a

49:52

lot, it's just because there's

49:55

too much to say. Right? Yeah,

49:55

like I could just it's It's all

50:00

the same thing. Like I just keep

50:00

saying. Yeah, no one big circle

50:04

drink, horrible circle jerk.

50:06

So they kind of they

50:06

decide to restart. She says,

50:10

Listen, you cannot keep secrets

50:10

for me anymore. You cannot

50:13

expect this relationship to work

50:13

just based on your boundaries

50:17

and how you feel. It's about me

50:17

too. Yeah. And he's like, I he's

50:23

like, okay, because he's in love

50:23

with her apparently. Sure. Yeah,

50:26

whatever. He has no personality

50:26

in this book, too. Like he is

50:29

no, just Oh, no, he

50:31

does. It's just he

50:31

hasn't told you about his

50:33

boundaries yet, which included personality.

50:35

Oh, true. Yeah. Well,

50:35

it's like he's so rapidly. His

50:39

character is so created based

50:39

upon his love

50:42

of Charlotte, he said

50:42

really Olen? What? He's Edward

50:45

Cullen.

50:46

He is Yeah, so right.

50:46

He's our Colin Okay. Yep.

50:49

Good. Figured it out. He sparkles.

50:52

Um, let's see. He buys

50:52

her bracelet for Valentine's

50:58

Day. With diamonds on it? Of

50:58

course. Yeah. They start making

51:05

out in his bedroom. Stay man,

51:05

great. And he tells her, I've

51:12

got I've got all of these great

51:12

new ideas from a music I'm so

51:15

excited. It's all thanks to you.

51:15

And because of that, I'm gonna

51:18

be going back to

51:23

Oh, okay.

51:24

To go and work with this

51:24

producer. And, like, we just got

51:28

back together. And he's like, I

51:28

know, babe, but like, this is

51:30

such a good opportunity.

51:32

And you should support

51:32

me in what I do. Exactly. Yeah.

51:35

Yep. You're not a good girl.

51:35

That's, that's gaslighting my

51:39

friends. Good. Um,

51:43

okay, so then she tells

51:43

Carlos because she has lied to

51:47

him again. Great. She was dating

51:47

tape and he's upset. He's like,

51:50

you told me you were gonna tell

51:50

me? Yeah. And he says, I'm your

51:55

best friend. Like, how could you

51:55

do this? I feel really sorry for

51:58

Carlos. You can't? You can't get

51:58

the opportunity to be a good

52:02

friend. If they don't tell you

52:02

anything. Yeah. So he she tells

52:08

him I need you to lie for me.

52:08

Because I'm going to go to New

52:11

York, and go and see Tate for a

52:11

weekend. And I need you to cover

52:16

up for me for my grandma and say

52:16

that we're going to go and do

52:20

something. I'm going to be with

52:20

you that weekend. Mm hmm. Oh,

52:23

okay. So she gets to New York.

52:23

He ends up and he gets her this

52:29

penthouse apartment or not

52:29

apartment, hotel room. And he

52:34

ends up showing up really,

52:34

really late the first night that

52:37

she's there, like way past when

52:37

they were supposed to meet and

52:39

she just goes asleep anyways,

52:39

and she wakes up and he's like

52:42

curled up next to her in the

52:42

bed. It's fine. That's fine,

52:45

right? Still. Um, and they go

52:45

out for pizza together. She's in

52:53

this like really ritzy dress

52:53

that he had bought for her. But

52:55

they just go out for pizza

52:55

because it's the only thing open

52:58

and they start making it and

52:58

then they go back they start

53:00

making out in the bed like

53:00

nothing happened. Well, I

53:03

shouldn't say nothing happens.

53:03

But you know what I mean? And

53:05

she tells I don't know why she

53:05

tells him she loves him. That

53:09

goes over well. Let's I thought

53:15

that he loved her. She

53:15

did not set it yet is not set

53:20

yet. No homeboy just has major

53:20

commitment issues.

53:25

Oh, so and he explains

53:25

his major commitment issues

53:28

because he had this one fan to

53:28

fan who was absolutely obsessed

53:31

with him and girl, not yet and

53:31

would follow him everywhere at

53:38

like every event. She was there.

53:38

And eventually he kind of like

53:42

let her come through and just

53:42

talk to him. They couldn't they

53:44

didn't really have a friendship.

53:44

She he would she would just kind

53:48

of show up at the parties. Right? And

53:49

yeah, it's really weird

53:49

how uncomfortable it is when

53:52

someone's just showing up at

53:52

places that you're getting a lot

53:55

of information about you. Yeah,

53:55

weird weird. Wonder why someone

53:59

unlike that.

54:00

So he sleeps with her at

54:00

one point, this girl named Ella

54:04

St. John. And she tells him she

54:04

tells him she loves him. And he

54:09

just does not feel the same way.

54:09

He was like I thought that it

54:11

was a one night stand like that.

54:11

That's where I was on it. And he

54:15

doesn't say anything back. She

54:15

kills herself.

54:19

Shit yeah.

54:21

Hey, suicides a trigger.

54:22

Oh, right. So bad with

54:22

triggers. But damn it, I'm so

54:28

sorry listeners

54:30

guide. Jeez,

54:33

so that's why he has so

54:33

many commitment issues. And he

54:37

says I didn't think I deserved

54:37

you. You were perfect. You are

54:40

perfect. I didn't want to

54:40

destroy you to take away

54:42

everything you've worked for.

54:42

Good. No. and No, they stay

54:50

together this time. Does he say

54:50

he loves her too? No. Okay.

54:55

Yeah, that's fine, though. If

54:55

you're not ready to say you love

54:58

someone. That's fine.

54:59

That's fine. But like,

54:59

oh God, Jesus, ah, Marian,

55:04

somehow grandma finds

55:04

out about the her going to New

55:09

York to see Tate and she's, yes,

55:09

yeah, yeah. Um, but Charlotte is

55:15

kind of also going through this

55:15

internal catharsis of is this is

55:22

this feature that I planned for

55:22

myself, really what I want.

55:27

Okay. And so when she's at the

55:27

lab one day, and she's just

55:32

like, I gotta get out of here.

55:32

Like, I don't even know who I am

55:35

anymore. I'm

55:36

is this just a generic

55:36

lab? Or is there a function for

55:40

this lab?

55:40

I think it's like a

55:40

university lab. It's a

55:42

universal, but it's something

55:42

medical related. Yeah. Um, and

55:48

so she goes to see Tay and she's

55:48

kind of like, you know,

55:52

suffering inside, right. You

55:52

know,

55:55

you're 18 Shouldn't be

55:55

expected to know exactly what

55:57

you want to do for the rest of

55:58

your Yeah, exactly.

55:58

heartache, heartache. And she's

56:01

just kind of like, she wants

56:01

comfort. She's trying to find

56:06

comfort from her boyfriend.

56:07

Does he do Oh, tell me

56:07

what he does. So I can throw

56:11

that Oh, person says,

56:12

hey, it's really he's,

56:12

he's, he comes to visit her in

56:16

LA. That's where she goes to see

56:16

him. Okay, she meets him at the

56:19

airport that's sharing this big

56:19

moment is happening. And he

56:22

tells her, it's great. I got the

56:22

surprise gig tonight in LA. So

56:26

like, I'm gonna be doing this

56:26

big old concert. And she's kind

56:28

of upset cuz she's like, I

56:28

wanted to spend the state with

56:31

you. I don't get you that often.

56:31

So she tells him I got into

56:34

Stanford. Neat. Yeah, so she did

56:34

get in good. And, um, but she's

56:39

like, you know, I'm just not

56:39

sure if it's what I want

56:41

anymore. And he tells her, I'm

56:41

about to go on a world tour. And

56:44

so they're kind of like, having

56:44

this like, he's really excited.

56:48

But she's kind of afraid, kind

56:48

of moment. And she says, What if

56:51

I just go with you? What if I go

56:51

on tour with you for a year and

56:54

like, we can be together and I

56:54

can figure out what I really

56:58

want out of my life. And then I

56:58

you know, and then and she's

57:02

kind of afraid, too, because she's like, I don't want to go on this tour. Meet a bunch of

57:04

girls like I we just got back

57:07

together. Fine. Right? Um, you

57:07

also just got back together?

57:11

Yeah. So he gets back into his

57:11

car to go to that gig to go to

57:16

that concert. And he tells her,

57:16

go to the back door, tell the

57:20

guard your name. And they'll let

57:20

you in. Okay, for the show. I

57:24

can't wait for you to see it.

57:24

She gets there that night. Her

57:27

name isn't on the list. She gets

57:27

to the stadium. Her name is not

57:32

on the list. And the guard feels

57:32

really sorry for her. He's like,

57:35

I'm sorry. Like you haven't been

57:35

given a clear to come in. I

57:37

can't let you in. And she's

57:37

like, you know who I am. I'm his

57:39

girlfriend. And he's like, I

57:39

can't let you in. So she

57:42

realized that. So then she's

57:42

like, What the hell is

57:45

happening? And she knew that

57:45

after that he was planning to to

57:48

take her tour to his house. So

57:48

she's like, maybe this is a

57:51

mistake, but I want to talk to

57:51

him. So she goes to his house.

57:55

And she looks at his Instagram

57:55

and she sees that he has been

57:59

just hanging out with like

57:59

models and checks all night

58:01

after the show and behind, like,

58:01

behind the backstage and she's

58:06

like, What the hell is

58:06

happening? And she realizes he's

58:09

closed her out again. So she

58:09

Yeah, so she gets into her car

58:13

to head back home. When suddenly

58:13

God girl. Oh, god, god girl

58:21

tells her we were meant to be

58:21

together. It was supposed to be

58:25

mean Tate. I'm in love with him.

58:25

And

58:31

is this the chick that

58:31

did she like pretend to kill

58:34

herself? And then

58:35

No, she did. Another

58:35

chick Cher. She just

58:39

fuck night. So, um,

58:43

she's like, we're meant

58:43

to be together. So Charlotte

58:45

says literally says you can have

58:45

good I want to get out of here.

58:50

But um, and the other girl says

58:50

I will once you're gone. And she

58:55

literally tries to murder

58:55

Charlotte in front of his house

58:59

goth girl.

59:01

Okay, wait, wait, wait,

59:01

wait, wait, wait.

59:04

I'm gonna call this now.

59:04

Okay, he shows up while this is

59:07

happening. realizes that if she

59:07

gets killed then like,

59:12

initially, he really has a

59:12

sudden realization of his

59:15

feelings for her. No really do

59:15

Ah,

59:18

he does show up, show

59:18

up. He breaks them apart. The

59:21

goth girl gets arrested. He

59:21

takes Charlotte to the hospital.

59:24

She literally is almost choked

59:24

to death. Oh, good. Yeah. And so

59:27

she wakes up in the hospital and

59:27

Tate is there and Tate says I

59:30

can't let this happen to you. I

59:30

can't like I'm so sorry about

59:34

what happened at the concert.

59:34

But like you really with? I

59:38

can't ruin your life. Because

59:38

he's like, always problem

59:43

because he's like, so I'm sorry,

59:43

I didn't put your name on the

59:47

list. It's Stanford thing

59:47

because he knows. He was like

59:52

Stanford was your dream for so

59:52

long. And I feel like you're

59:54

giving it up because you're in

59:54

love with me and you shouldn't

59:57

do that. I don't want you to do

59:57

that. And I also feel Like,

1:00:00

maybe sit down with me talk with

1:00:00

her life with me is going to be

1:00:03

too hard for you like you can't

1:00:03

this lifestyle. I don't want you

1:00:08

to get wrapped up in this

1:00:08

lifestyle. Like that's her

1:00:10

decision to make. But exactly.

1:00:10

And that's what she tells him.

1:00:12

She's like, it's I feel like

1:00:12

that's my decision to I feel

1:00:15

like we should talk about this.

1:00:15

And he's like, No, and he

1:00:17

leaves. Yeah, yep. Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:17

Yeah. So there's that. So she

1:00:24

recovers and her grandmother is

1:00:24

pretty understanding about the

1:00:29

whole thing. She feels really

1:00:29

sorry for her because she's had

1:00:31

her heart broken. Again, again,

1:00:31

but like, I mean, this is

1:00:34

pretty. This is like the final

1:00:34

straw kind of thing. Fucking be

1:00:39

and she shot a bull's

1:00:41

eye plugins now and she

1:00:41

realizes that what she's always

1:00:43

wanted to Stanford and she goes

1:00:43

on and lives a great life is a

1:00:46

wonderful medical professional.

1:00:48

Nobody's This part's

1:00:48

okay, though. Okay, Charlotte

1:00:51

does that she's like, I have to

1:00:51

be honest with you. Charlotte,

1:00:55

Charlotte. I'm not sure about

1:00:55

Stanford, and I don't want to go

1:00:59

and do something that I'm not sure about. So I'm going to, like put it on the backburner

1:01:02

for a year. I'm going to go and

1:01:05

do some traveling and I'm going

1:01:05

to do some soul searching and

1:01:07

figure out what I really want.

1:01:07

Okay, great. She's 18. That's

1:01:10

good, right? Good. I fully I

1:01:10

want our listeners to know I

1:01:14

fully advocate back No, go do

1:01:14

it. Go Go figure your shit

1:01:17

figure your shit out. So she

1:01:17

does and she goes traveling for

1:01:22

like a year. She's still

1:01:22

thinking about tape. But she

1:01:24

does a lot of like soul

1:01:24

searching. She realizes what she

1:01:27

really loves is photography.

1:01:27

Okay, she wants to be a

1:01:29

photographer. So she comes back

1:01:29

at one point just to visit and

1:01:33

there's something Oh, it's

1:01:33

because of something with me. I

1:01:36

think Mia is graduating or

1:01:36

something from some college. So

1:01:39

she comes back briefly. She sees

1:01:39

Carlos again. And she's still

1:01:44

kind of like on the rocks of

1:01:44

what she wants to do. But this

1:01:46

is like, I think like six to

1:01:46

eight months into her traveling.

1:01:49

So she's heading back. She's

1:01:49

gonna so she's her plan is she's

1:01:53

gonna go to Italy. And she's

1:01:53

gonna work for a florist there

1:01:56

for a while and she's gonna take

1:01:56

pictures. Neat. Yeah. Cool. And

1:02:00

this little town called

1:02:00

Vinnitsa. And she gets onto the

1:02:03

plane. And

1:02:06

he has a private jet. I

1:02:06

just like to reiterate Yes,

1:02:10

right now.

1:02:11

And she's bumped into

1:02:11

first class. And she's like I

1:02:14

didn't in there like your lucky

1:02:14

day. So she sits down in first

1:02:18

class and it's taped next to her.

1:02:21

He owns a private

1:02:21

private jet. He

1:02:24

came to talk to her.

1:02:24

Obviously, let's see,

1:02:29

I hate him. Oh, I hate

1:02:29

him. I hate him.

1:02:33

And he says, so I'm

1:02:33

going to this whole book reminds

1:02:38

me a lot of Bridget Jones diary.

1:02:38

Like this dude is like Hugh

1:02:42

Grant in that movie of like, he

1:02:42

says Hugh Grant at the end of

1:02:45

that movie says if I can't be with you, when it comes to Bridget Jones, I can't be with

1:02:47

anyone. And she's Bridget says

1:02:51

that's not a good enough offer

1:02:51

for me. No. So it's unhealthy.

1:02:54

Yeah. So someone obsessed with

1:02:54

me. And that's pretty much what

1:02:57

Tate says. He says, I can't stop

1:02:57

thinking about you. I tried to

1:03:00

go on tour. I thought it was

1:03:00

what I wanted. But it felt wrong

1:03:03

without you all the songs were

1:03:03

for you and you weren't there to

1:03:06

hear with them. And when I found

1:03:06

out you, me, me, me, me, me. Me.

1:03:11

Yes. When I found out you were

1:03:11

in LA, I had to see you. And he

1:03:16

says don't go to Italy stay here

1:03:16

in LA stay with me. And she

1:03:20

says, fuck you No. Good. She

1:03:20

goes back to the back of the

1:03:23

plane where her original seat

1:03:23

was good. Yeah. And good girl.

1:03:29

She goes to Italy. She goes to

1:03:29

Vinnitsa. And so he finds her

1:03:37

God. And he tries and he says

1:03:37

like, I was Dec? Yeah, I'm

1:03:45

sorry. Not enough on the plane.

1:03:45

Like, I want to start over

1:03:50

again.

1:03:52

Which like, this is like

1:03:52

the fourth time Yeah. And it's

1:03:56

at the end of the book, what the

1:03:56

fuck is gonna make so instead he

1:03:59

says,

1:03:59

I hurt you. I know I

1:03:59

hurt you. And I'm so sorry.

1:04:02

You're the only thing in my life

1:04:02

that makes sense. Even the music

1:04:05

The thing I used to think I

1:04:05

wanted above all else is

1:04:07

meaningless without you. And I

1:04:07

want to start over no more

1:04:11

rules. No more control. No more

1:04:11

pushing you away when I get

1:04:13

scared or making decisions that

1:04:13

should be yours. I want to do

1:04:16

this. Do this right this time.

1:04:16

Finally, can we start over?

1:04:21

Okay, that whole thing about

1:04:21

starting over is that you can't

1:04:25

as much as people like you can't

1:04:25

you you can't 100% You're always

1:04:29

gonna have that hurt. You're

1:04:29

always gonna have that pain.

1:04:31

He's done absolutely

1:04:31

nothing to indicate that this

1:04:36

time will be different. This is

1:04:36

like the fourth time the

1:04:39

fourth time and and he's

1:04:39

doing the same behaviors that he

1:04:42

was that he was doing before of

1:04:42

stalking her finding her and

1:04:46

really pushing himself on her

1:04:46

when she doesn't want that.

1:04:49

So there's a lot like we

1:04:49

are almost done. Yeah, well

1:04:55

here's here's my problem is

1:04:55

like, honestly, yeah, he's

1:04:58

creepy as shit. Yeah. awful. But

1:04:58

I also kind of feel bad for him.

1:05:03

Because he's a dude who

1:05:03

obviously needs a lot of help.

1:05:09

Mentally, like he needs to sit

1:05:09

and talk with a professional. He

1:05:12

was. He became famous at what

1:05:12

seems to be a very young age,

1:05:17

and I can really fuck someone up

1:05:17

and he was sent like, a strange

1:05:20

a little bit from his parents.

1:05:20

When that happens. We lost a lot

1:05:22

of a support group. I kind of

1:05:22

feel bad for him. I feel, you

1:05:26

know, if it's okay, no, you, I

1:05:26

can still appreciate where he

1:05:29

comes from. Feel for Yeah, it

1:05:32

doesn't make it Oh,

1:05:33

no, it's still not okay.

1:05:35

He's what I, if his

1:05:35

apology is legitimate, I would

1:05:39

still say to her like, No, you

1:05:39

know, I would still if I were

1:05:42

her that I would still say no,

1:05:42

just because like, I can't

1:05:45

forget about all the things I

1:05:45

can forgive like, I forgive you,

1:05:48

right. But I can't forget, like,

1:05:48

I know, you're still capable of

1:05:51

these things. So

1:05:54

until he does, until he

1:05:54

proves that he is going to be

1:05:58

able to change his behavior I do

1:05:58

not see. Right. And

1:06:01

I think that it would be

1:06:01

something of it wouldn't be a

1:06:05

light switch. I think that he

1:06:05

would have to do like, prove to

1:06:07

her in little ways over time

1:06:07

that no, this is like, this is a

1:06:10

change that I am making, right?

1:06:10

And if it doesn't work, it

1:06:13

doesn't work. But there's this

1:06:13

romanticized idea of like a

1:06:16

light switch. Yeah. And that's

1:06:16

not how relationships work. And

1:06:19

it shouldn't work that way. No, it shouldn't work that

1:06:21

way. Because if it does, then that means you can turn that light switch right back

1:06:22

off. Yes. So

1:06:25

she gets back together

1:06:25

with him, and they live happily

1:06:29

ever after the end.

1:06:33

Fuck that book. Fuck

1:06:33

this book. Oh, my God. Jesus, so

1:06:38

okay. I feel like we hit a lot

1:06:38

of the really terrible stuff

1:06:42

during the plot synopsis. Like I

1:06:42

think I feel like we did a

1:06:46

really good job with that. I

1:06:46

want to talk about switch the

1:06:51

genders. Is it okay?

1:06:52

No, it wasn't. It's not

1:06:52

okay. It's genderless. Yeah.

1:06:55

Jenna. Yeah. Meaning,

1:06:56

right. Well, but Well, I

1:06:56

would guess, thought experiment

1:06:59

would be okay. It's like a

1:06:59

Taylor Swift type character. And

1:07:03

a dude who wants to like, go and

1:07:03

do something else. Like, I guess

1:07:06

I'm trying to like,

1:07:08

it's like Tom

1:07:08

Hiddleston. And Taylor. That

1:07:10

relationship? Oh, god, Oh, God.

1:07:13

I'm just thinking like,

1:07:15

I'm in love with Tom

1:07:15

Hybels. Just in case this ever

1:07:18

becomes viral,

1:07:19

right? Oh, God, I'm just

1:07:19

thinking, like, I always like to

1:07:24

try to do that flip. Because

1:07:24

that's something that's very

1:07:28

inherent, like, in my, in my

1:07:28

life, because I am a female

1:07:32

engineer, I get a lot of like,

1:07:32

in my brain, I'm like, okay,

1:07:36

swap. I agree. Gender is

1:07:36

meaningless. It's all a

1:07:39

construct. But if we assume the

1:07:39

non corrects gender binary in

1:07:43

this case, or whatever, and say,

1:07:43

okay, non normative and non

1:07:47

normative? No, no, it's better.

1:07:47

Yeah. So, okay, it's a female

1:07:50

Popstar, and a dude who wants to

1:07:50

go pursue his dream of being a

1:07:54

doctor or whatever. Like, I'm

1:07:54

curious how the social dynamic

1:07:58

and the the the, the, I guess,

1:07:58

social C section

1:08:03

would change. I still

1:08:03

think that it's all based on

1:08:06

feeling, though. Because if

1:08:06

we're assuming that it's still

1:08:08

definitely not okay, if Okay, so

1:08:08

let's instead of Charlotte,

1:08:11

Charles. Sure. If Charles was, I

1:08:11

think that it's hard to because

1:08:20

if I'm imagining a gender swap,

1:08:20

then probably Charles would kind

1:08:24

of be like, quote, unquote, the

1:08:24

man of the house. And so he

1:08:27

would in his home life, he would

1:08:27

almost be expected to do these

1:08:32

types of things just because in

1:08:32

our society, that there's a lot

1:08:35

of that.

1:08:36

And that's that's kind of the I hope that that comes across. That's a thought

1:08:37

experiment I want to do right is how, how would it change? And

1:08:40

why would it change it? Because

1:08:44

it doesn't mean that

1:08:45

the expectation is the

1:08:45

expectations of him. In his home

1:08:49

life would be different. I think

1:08:49

because he's a boy, he would be

1:08:53

a boy. But I do think that her

1:08:53

obsession to her obsession with

1:08:58

him would be taken by the media

1:08:58

as a lot creepier to Yeah, I

1:09:02

think that there would be a lot

1:09:02

more of which is good. Right?

1:09:06

Well,

1:09:07

well, so that's kind of

1:09:07

I guess that is that's kind of

1:09:10

what I wanted to hone in on is

1:09:10

why was this obsession? This

1:09:14

obsession was not taken as being

1:09:14

creepy, right? But if it was a

1:09:18

female Popstar going after a

1:09:18

male it would be taken as

1:09:21

creepy. And that is kind of what

1:09:21

I'm trying to write on. Yeah,

1:09:25

like it's not obviously none of

1:09:25

this is okay, this is terrible.

1:09:29

It's awful, right? But why does

1:09:29

the fact that it's a dude doing

1:09:33

this creepy stalkers, behavior,

1:09:33

make it okay.

1:09:36

I think it's a it's a

1:09:36

it's a cultural build up of

1:09:39

history throughout the years and

1:09:39

years and years and years. I

1:09:41

think that that's really all

1:09:41

that it is. Yeah. Um, because

1:09:45

we've been glorifying stories like that.

1:09:48

So big manly Viking men,

1:09:49

right? Oh 7.2

1:09:52

Girl, give me a shieldmaiden any day.

1:09:55

And I'm trying to think

1:09:55

of like, like climate trying to

1:10:00

think of classical logic classic

1:10:00

literature. Rochester.

1:10:03

Rochester. That's that was my

1:10:03

first thought. Yeah, I'm really

1:10:08

not okay no not okay at all

1:10:10

Chester's a fuck boy. Oh, he's

1:10:11

such a fuckup I still

1:10:11

love that book. Take advantage

1:10:14

takes advantage. Oh God. Oh God

1:10:14

still love that book. Oh, love

1:10:18

it. And also but I mean like and

1:10:18

that leads up to today of I just

1:10:23

saw Star Wars spoilers spoiler

1:10:23

alert here.

1:10:26

I haven't seen the I

1:10:26

know, but do you care? No.

1:10:29

Okay, I'm sorry. Well, I

1:10:29

mean, you know this because of

1:10:32

Alexa, because Alexa, but the

1:10:32

Kylo Ren re relationship is not

1:10:38

a healthy one at all. But we

1:10:38

still are like, glorifying and

1:10:43

have Railo fans. So it's, like I

1:10:43

said, it's something that's just

1:10:47

been built up in our society.

1:10:49

This is like, another

1:10:49

version of the alpha is an

1:10:54

excuse to be abusive thing,

1:10:54

right? Like, it's all just kind

1:10:58

of boils down to that dynamic.

1:11:01

Can we also go back to

1:11:01

to, though, of how damaging this

1:11:05

would be to you if you're 16

1:11:05

years old? Oh, God,

1:11:08

well, 18? Well, yeah, but

1:11:10

if you're reading that

1:11:10

if you're, if you're reading

1:11:13

that as a 16 year old, but it's

1:11:13

a teen romance novel, so you

1:11:15

believe that between 13 to 19,

1:11:15

we're assuming, and like I said,

1:11:20

horribly damaging.

1:11:22

Like I said, like the

1:11:22

cover of that book is totally

1:11:25

benign. It's benign,

1:11:27

but you really I mean,

1:11:27

the even the inside cover,

1:11:29

though, is not benign. No, like,

1:11:29

the back of it isn't fun. I and

1:11:33

I know that when I was 13 to 19,

1:11:33

I was super impressionable dude,

1:11:37

I would have fallen over

1:11:37

on would have loved that. But I

1:11:41

I feel like honestly, a huge

1:11:41

formative moment in my life.

1:11:44

Granted, I will know I read

1:11:44

Twilight when it was popular

1:11:46

with the movie, specifically so

1:11:46

that I could bash it. Right? But

1:11:50

I remember reading it, you're

1:11:50

super into it, loving it. Yeah.

1:11:54

And I got to the end, and I feel

1:11:54

like it. I feel like at that

1:11:57

point, you know, those moments

1:11:57

where it's like, my life could

1:12:00

go one of two ways. Right? And

1:12:00

mine went in the I'm done with

1:12:03

it. Wait a minute, rather than

1:12:03

the give me the next I almost

1:12:09

got the next one. But then I was

1:12:09

like, No, and I know you did. I

1:12:12

did. But we still have another

1:12:12

round at the same point. I'm

1:12:15

not ashamed of shouldn't

1:12:15

be that time because it's what

1:12:20

society and culture Sure has.

1:12:20

groomed me to think is okay. But

1:12:25

and I still catch myself

1:12:27

saying absolutely. And I

1:12:27

think we all kind of still

1:12:29

do. So are we gonna

1:12:29

write this book? Or is it too

1:12:32

problematic to ring? Good

1:12:32

question. I think it's too

1:12:36

problematic to write because I

1:12:36

think it's problematic. Yeah.

1:12:40

With in terms of teen romance.

1:12:44

I agree. Okay. I do.

1:12:44

Yeah, no, I agree. I think I

1:12:47

don't think this one needs it

1:12:47

was bad. It was really bad and

1:12:51

painful. And and but I will say

1:12:51

I think it sparked some really

1:12:53

interesting and productive

1:12:53

conversation. Yes. And we would

1:12:56

absolutely love to hear your

1:12:56

guys's thoughts. Want to hear

1:12:59

you. Thank

1:12:59

you, Olivia. Yes, thank

1:12:59

you. Yeah, this was a great

1:13:02

episode. It was it was a really

1:13:02

good episode.

1:13:05

mazing Yes.

1:13:06

So thank you again.

1:13:08

Yeah, um, but I will

1:13:08

say, because I'm sure you needed

1:13:11

something to help distract you

1:13:11

from that.

1:13:14

Yeah, he's very cute.

1:13:14

I'm holding little cuckoo low.

1:13:16

You are bugging him and

1:13:16

squishing him.

1:13:19

But what what other

1:13:19

media were you consuming to take

1:13:22

mine off of that?

1:13:23

Um, so I, I finished the

1:13:23

book of S, which was that was

1:13:27

really good. I've heard it's so

1:13:27

good. It was really fun. And

1:13:30

I've started reading Crazy Rich

1:13:30

Asians. Nice, which is very

1:13:34

funny.

1:13:34

All right. Well, thank

1:13:34

you guys for for joining us on

1:13:37

that social justice. See, I that

1:13:37

was a good conversation. It was

1:13:41

a good conversation. Very

1:13:43

good conversation to

1:13:43

feel cleansed after that

1:13:45

conversation.

1:13:47

It helps me bounce back

1:13:47

from that book. Please reach out

1:13:50

to us. We really do want to hear

1:13:50

your opinions. We do love to

1:13:52

hear them. Yes. And oh, thank

1:13:52

you, Eleanor. You for the use of

1:13:56

your song. Oh, love of the album

1:13:56

be held? Yes. Ah. We love you

1:14:01

all. Yeah, great. You deserve

1:14:01

someone that's not hot and cold.

1:14:05

Yeah. You deserve a functioning

1:14:05

human adult. Yeah. Yeah. Also,

1:14:09

maybe if you need it, reach out

1:14:09

and get help. That's just fine.

1:14:12

You're, you're allowed. It

1:14:12

doesn't make you less of a

1:14:14

person. You're wonderful. Yes.

1:14:14

All right. Yes. We'll see you

1:14:17

guys later.