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Not gay. Probably tearing me

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Hello, and welcome to textual

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That's us. Together we unpack

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Welcome to special pride. I'm

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It really is my only

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it.

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Depress can concern

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in Italy it is in October not June.

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Oh yes. Yep. Oh,

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interesting. Yeah. Is it just a

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always that way.

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I gotta say that kind of

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makes October the best month of

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the year, though, for you guys.

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Right going on.

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I guess I hope it's as

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spooky as it is fabulous. Oh,

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it is amazing in every way.

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It sounds freaking

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awesome. Well, hi guys. Thanks

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for coming. Um, so yes, this is

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a little different because we

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Margie is off doing Margie

5:30

things and so you guys very

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wonderfully volunteered to hang

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out with me. So do you want to

5:36

go ahead and plug plug bubbles

5:36

right off the bat?

5:39

Here do Rebecca Go ahead.

5:43

Yeah, we do you do it.

5:44

That's 100% Our podcast

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works. We are from the ladies of

5:48

strategy of roughly two thirds,

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roughly two thirds of us here.

5:52

Exactly. Exactly two thirds of

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us here. We talk about

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everything from true crime to

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paranormal to weird conspiracy

6:00

theories and fun festivals,

6:00

basically. Yeah, there's a

6:05

reason we're invited. We have

6:05

expertise, apparently. But yeah,

6:11

you can find us on like,

6:11

Spotify, iTunes, all the lovely

6:15

places. You get podcasts. And

6:15

we're on basically every social

6:19

media platform. And by every

6:19

platform, I mean, Instagram,

6:22

Facebook and Twitter.

6:23

Yeah, not the tick tock.

6:23

No. Either way, I keep telling

6:28

you to do it, but

6:31

too confusing for me?

6:31

Well, I

6:34

feel like we have really

6:34

really good representation for

6:36

this particular book because it

6:36

is pride and of course we have

6:39

to go as gay as we possibly can.

6:39

And not only gay, but science to

6:47

oh my god, my favorite

6:47

orientation.

6:50

Oh my god, guys, we have

6:50

gay scientific feminism. And

6:54

it's the greatest thing ever.

6:54

Who is ready for this shit. Oh,

6:58

so excited.

6:59

I did not expect to be

6:59

this ready. This is fine. Let's

7:01

do this. Wow, I'm so like, I'm instantly

7:02

excited.

7:07

I'm sending you the

7:07

Amazon link because good reads

7:11

won't come up for me for some

7:11

reason. Amazon don't talk to us.

7:15

I don't sponsor Amazon. Oh, go

7:15

ahead. And look at that cover

7:20

for me.

7:22

Oh my god, I'm

7:22

instantly in love. This better

7:28

be a good book. Because if this

7:28

book was trash, I'm gonna be

7:30

real upset. I love that cover.

7:36

I know, right? Okay,

7:39

Rebecca, do you mind if

7:39

I take on this one? Knock

7:41

yourself out. Okay, so the cover

7:41

it is absolutely stunning. I

7:47

would say that the author's name

7:47

is equally as large as half the

7:52

title of the book. Is the ladies

7:52

guide to celestial mechanics?

8:02

Yeah, baby. So we've got this

8:02

gorgeous, it looks like a silk

8:07

sheet red and a red silk sheet.

8:07

You've got two ladies laying on

8:13

it intertwined and one of them

8:13

is in like this red gown. That's

8:18

really pretty in one looks like

8:18

she's in kind of how would you

8:22

describe that? My first thought

8:22

was like a peasant dress but

8:26

I wasn't going to pirate because

8:26

you have that like, yeah, poof

8:30

blouse, almost, you know, with

8:30

the sleeves, but it's like a

8:32

separate shirt from the skirt.

8:34

It almost looks like a

8:34

flamenco kinda, huh? Yeah. Good

8:40

vibes.

8:41

Yes. And it's gorgeous.

8:41

And one of them is like touching

8:45

the others cheek. And you can

8:45

definitely tell that this is

8:48

Photoshop. Real bad Photoshop

8:48

pistol and honestly

8:53

just copping a feel.

8:56

She might be able being

8:56

100% honest, I'm surprised that

8:59

they picked red for the book,

8:59

given kind of the subject matter

9:06

in it and like, like some of the

9:06

stuff that's going on it read is

9:09

not the color I would have

9:09

chosen. It's very intense. It is

9:14

i So full disclosure, I was

9:14

actually in the middle of

9:17

reading a listener

9:17

recommendation book. And this

9:22

just randomly popped up. I don't

9:22

even know where it was. I saw

9:26

it. And it was like, oh my god,

9:26

I have to do it. And then I

9:31

looked at the calendar and was

9:31

like, oh my god, I have to do

9:35

it. So I will get to the list of

9:35

recommendation. It's just this

9:39

kind of took minor precedent.

9:39

That's

9:42

perfectly fine. Oh, and

9:42

I see it's book one of three.

9:47

It is I kinda want to

9:47

read the other ones. Yes, scroll

9:51

down the

9:51

Amazon page. You see

9:51

one of the recommendation is

9:53

something called Wasp this

9:53

waspish widows, which

9:57

looks like fun. Oh yeah.

9:57

does come although it's no it's

10:01

called the caring and feeding of

10:01

waspish, widow. Oh, that's even

10:05

better. Oh, wow. Wow, these are

10:05

great names.

10:10

But that book also

10:10

looks super photoshopped anyway.

10:13

Yes, it does. Also, I think, not to be

10:13

completely like sidetracking but

10:17

like, I think the third book of

10:17

this series is called Hellions

10:19

waltz. And that might be what I

10:19

call tip. Battle is

10:22

hell. Oh, that's so

10:22

good. Okay, I'm not gonna read

10:27

that description. Somebody read

10:27

the lady's guide to celestial

10:30

mechanics description for the

10:31

Go TIFF. Alright. As

10:31

Lucy, you kill me Utomi

10:40

McKone I don't know.

10:41

All right. As Lucy

10:41

McCartney watches her ex lover

10:44

sham of a wedding she wishes

10:44

herself anywhere else. It isn't

10:48

until she finds a letter from

10:48

the Countess of moth looking for

10:52

someone to translate a

10:52

groundbreaking French astronomy

10:54

text that she knows where to go.

10:54

Showing up at the counter says

10:59

London home she hoped find a

10:59

challenge not a woman who takes

11:02

her breath away Catherine st day looks forward

11:08

to a quiet with widowhood. Oh,

11:13

okay, got it. Sorry. Yep,

11:16

her boys did.

11:17

She is really excited

11:17

about it. Catherine seat day

11:22

looks forward to a quiet

11:22

widowhood once her late husband

11:25

scientific legacy is fulfilled.

11:25

She expected to hand off the

11:28

translation and wash her hands

11:28

of the project. Instead, she's

11:32

intrigued by the young woman who

11:32

turns up at her door begging to

11:35

be allowed to do the work. And

11:35

she agrees to let Lucy stay. But

11:40

as Catherine finds herself

11:40

longing for Lucy, everything she

11:43

believes about herself and her

11:43

life is tested. See spins.

11:54

Oh, I didn't realize there was more. I'm not like, keep going

11:57

a little bit more.

11:57

While Lucy spends her days

12:02

interpreting the complicated

12:02

French text she spends her

12:05

nights falling in love with the

12:05

alluring Catherine. But sabotage

12:09

and old wounds threatened to

12:09

cert sever the Nope. But

12:14

sabotage and old wounds threaten

12:14

to sever the threads that bind

12:17

them. Can Lucy and Catherine

12:17

find the strength to stay

12:20

together? Or are they doomed to

12:20

be starcrossed? Lovers?

12:25

Yes.

12:25

gasp I want all of it

12:25

right now. Give it to me, baby.

12:31

Right. So okay, so the

12:31

fun thing about this book is

12:36

that I started my notes

12:36

yesterday and then finish them

12:38

during work today. So I have two

12:38

separate mediums for notes. So I

12:43

have my notes there on my

12:43

computer and then the rest of

12:47

them were in this very nice and

12:47

professional. That's definitely

12:51

not a work notebook, which makes

12:51

it more fun. It's fine guy.

12:58

I mean, you pick the right color. It matches the book.

13:01

Oh my god. It does. Hell

13:01

yeah. Very sultry. It's gonna be

13:05

great. Alright, so triggers

13:05

first. Oh, yeah. Do we need a

13:10

bingo card? No, actually. So I

13:10

will go ahead and preface this.

13:14

I fucking loved this book. It

13:14

was so good. So good, real

13:20

wholesome. And it's magical. I

13:20

love this book. And if you have

13:26

any sense of feminine rage, it's

13:26

good. It's good. It's very good.

13:32

So can't wait. The only real

13:32

trigger I think I would say is

13:38

there's some like misogyny.

13:38

Okay, but it is kind of also

13:42

Victorian London. So, and that's

13:42

to be correct. Right. So like

13:46

historical misogyny. Exactly.

13:46

And not historical homophobia.

13:54

At least it's not seen. But

13:54

we'll get into why the author

13:59

did a very good job of kind of

13:59

like, I'm not a historian. I'm

14:02

not super, like I don't know a

14:02

lot about this particular like

14:06

era, but it felt like the author

14:06

did her research. So are their

14:11

research. We'll get into it. So

14:11

we have our characters. We have

14:16

Lucy. She's in her early 20s I'm

14:16

pretty sure she has like brown

14:21

hair and brown eyes. They just

14:21

they didn't put as much of an

14:25

emphasis on appearance. You

14:25

don't like it brown hair, think

14:30

brown eyes. But it's more

14:34

good. Not the one in

14:34

the red dress on the cover of

14:38

our book.

14:38

That's my guess. Again,

14:38

I don't really think that the

14:43

cover is a great representative

14:48

question when are they?

14:50

You know what? That's

14:50

extremely fair. Entirely viable?

14:53

Because labios on a lot of them.

14:57

Oh my god. So, Lucy

14:57

brown hair. I think brown eyes,

15:01

she lives out in the country.

15:01

And she has been helping her

15:04

father with his astronomical

15:04

observations and calculations

15:09

for quite some time. Her father

15:09

like, has much more of sort of

15:14

like think like the theoretical

15:14

physicist mind where he like,

15:17

oh, but like, let's do a thought

15:17

experiment, but about this

15:19

really weird thing and like, see

15:19

if that would work. And didn't

15:22

really, especially in his older

15:22

age, sit down and do like,

15:26

wasn't interested in the

15:26

minutiae of the calculation. So

15:29

she took over that for him. Her

15:29

father is dead. But so she now

15:34

kind of has continued on with

15:34

her own work. But she is very

15:41

learned in all things astronomy,

15:41

and has a major interest in it.

15:46

She is most decidedly not

15:46

married, and she is most

15:49

decidedly lesbian. Yes, she is

15:49

fully aware of that fact.

15:53

Excellent. Yeah. My

15:53

favorite code.

15:56

We have Katherine or

15:56

Lady Moss, which I think is the

16:00

best name ever. I love it so

16:00

much.

16:03

It does give me this

16:03

like, it feels very regal and

16:07

like the lady that everybody

16:07

looks at and is like, I'm

16:11

intimidated by you. Yeah, I

16:14

feel I'm just imagining her

16:14

getting excited when she comes

16:17

across a lit candle.

16:23

I, I think she could

16:23

either be that like, really

16:28

Regal, like a eres aristocratic

16:28

lady or a Batman villain? Oh,

16:34

both are good options,

16:36

right? Yeah. I love her.

16:36

She's great. So she has blonde

16:39

blue eyes like your typical

16:39

British, like English rose kind

16:42

of thing. And the only real

16:42

description you kind of get of

16:46

her like physically besides that

16:46

is that she is rather buxom. So

16:50

she got getting boobs.

16:52

My favorite time to ask for clarification that

16:53

that is what that meant. Oh,

16:57

yeah.

16:58

Tits. Um, and she has

16:58

traveled the world with her

17:03

husband. So her husband was hell

17:03

bent on making a major

17:08

scientific discovery. And as a

17:08

result, they traveled

17:10

everywhere. And unfortunately,

17:10

on this last journey, he maybe

17:17

kind of accidentally just

17:17

straight up died. Because you

17:20

know, when you're traveling the

17:20

world, he gets sick sometimes.

17:24

And sometimes you don't bounce

17:24

back. Yeah, he was also a major

17:29

dick. Um,

17:30

oh, well, then that's fine. Yeah.

17:34

Remember, you're allowed

17:34

to die as long as you're an

17:36

asshole. He or she is decidedly rich. And

17:41

she's also decidedly not a

17:47

lesbian. Probably. Yeah.

17:54

It sounds like there's

17:54

a little wiggle room there.

17:56

You know what there

17:56

might be, but she doesn't know

17:58

it yet. So this is a book of

17:58

discovery. So my favorite, I

18:06

will say one thing that I found

18:06

really interesting. So I think

18:09

it was two years back. The

18:09

first. The first like gay book

18:14

that we did was a book set in

18:14

Victorian London. And it was two

18:20

dudes. And I think when we read

18:20

that book, we kind of were like,

18:25

Hey, guys, we never found any

18:25

like smutty lesbian novels. Like

18:30

that was something that was

18:30

really hard to find. So I don't

18:33

know this is actually the first

18:33

money lesbian novel that I've

18:37

ever come across. I'm sure there

18:37

are more but this is the first

18:40

one that I found. And that's

18:40

part of what makes me so excited

18:43

about all this

18:45

makes. Oh, this is

18:45

wonderful. I can't wait to read

18:48

it. It's already invested. i You

18:48

say that

18:51

I think I flat found one that

18:51

involved flat earth which like

18:53

Why wouldn't I find that?

18:55

You sent that to me? And

18:55

I hated it. Went to the website.

19:05

Alright, get into the shit.

19:05

Let's go heylia Scene One. Lucy

19:11

is begging Pris. Not to leave.

19:11

So Chris is getting married to a

19:18

family friend because she feels

19:18

like that's her only option

19:20

right now and she kind of has to

19:20

she's getting older. She's

19:23

getting towards like a spinster

19:23

you know age and her parents.

19:30

She can't get access to her

19:30

inheritance until she you know,

19:33

is validated by a man's penis.

19:33

Let's, let's all be blunt here

19:38

because that is where

19:38

we inherently as women get our

19:41

word. Sarcasm, sarcasm sarcasm.

19:45

Our worth only comes from the

19:45

ovaries.

19:48

Yeah, it only comes from

19:48

our ability to bear children.

19:52

Yeah, exactly. So Chris is

19:52

getting married, and she feels

19:56

like she has to but this slight

19:56

snag, Lucien Press are kind of

20:00

like in love. And also, um,

20:00

press didn't tell Lucy Lucy had

20:09

to find out through the church

20:09

announcements, saying, hey, this

20:14

week these two people are

20:14

getting married? No, yeah, not a

20:19

good look, y'all don't do that

20:19

to my girl. Um, so she's begging

20:25

Chris not to leave. And it

20:25

culminates in sexy time. But

20:29

then Chris is like, I'm sorry, I

20:29

have to go. And she goes and

20:33

gets married. And Lucy is forced

20:33

to sit in that pew and sit

20:38

through the entire marriage like

20:38

ceremony. And by the time she

20:43

gets home, she doesn't go to

20:43

like to the after dinner thing

20:46

or anything, she goes home and

20:46

she is devastated. She doesn't

20:51

know what to do with herself

20:51

because a brother who's an

20:53

artist is about to like, leave

20:53

for a while. And so she's by

20:56

herself, she needs to do

20:56

something, they need to figure

21:00

out a way to make money because

21:00

her dad's dead. It's just not a

21:02

good situation. And she happens

21:02

to get a letter from the lady of

21:10

moth. Hmm. And this woman has.

21:10

So she's been writing to, to

21:16

Lucy's dad for a while now, like

21:16

sending him all sorts of

21:21

observations so that he can do

21:21

all these calculations on it.

21:24

But it turns out later, so he's

21:24

actually been the one that's

21:26

been doing all the calculations.

21:26

The Lady of math just doesn't

21:30

know that. So the lady is

21:30

asking, she's like, Hey, you

21:33

know, I'm so sorry to hear about

21:33

your father. But we kind of have

21:37

this really big project coming

21:37

up, namely, translating this

21:42

really important and influential

21:42

astronomical text from French to

21:47

English. Do you know if he had

21:47

any, like, assistance or

21:51

anything that would be

21:51

interested in maybe doing that?

21:55

And Lucy decides, you know what?

21:55

I'm gonna go to London without

22:02

telling anybody, because it's

22:02

gonna be way harder for her to

22:05

say no in person.

22:07

Oh, my God, amazing.

22:09

You imagine? Your boob

22:09

breaks up with you and you

22:13

rebound so hard that you just

22:13

fuck off into science? Okay,

22:17

Lucky. Well,

22:18

that sounds like a solid plan, though. We'll see. My thought was, I

22:21

would absolutely just like dip

22:26

and disappear and go, like,

22:26

suction cup to someone else. But

22:30

I would probably not do the

22:30

science part. That's fair, but

22:33

you're also like, not entirely

22:33

off brand with what happened.

22:39

It's just more socially

22:39

acceptable because it's two

22:42

women in Victorian England. So

22:42

don't worry. They're just

22:48

friends. Just friends. Yeah.

22:51

The roommate?

22:53

Yeah, it's fine. Um, so

22:53

she does. She straight up, shows

22:59

up a Catherine in Catherine's

22:59

parlor. And it's like, kind of

23:04

disheveled, like, disheveled,

23:04

just disabled, disheveled,

23:08

disheveled, disheveled. It's one

23:08

of those words you only ever

23:11

repeat. So she says it shows up

23:11

kind of disheveled. And

23:18

Catherine internal monologue,

23:18

like before Lucy shows up the

23:22

internal monologue is, what am I

23:22

gonna do today? Oh, I the same

23:25

thing I do every day. This is

23:25

really boring. Like, sure I had

23:28

that one really torrid affair

23:28

with the Italian dude. But like,

23:32

that's over. What do I do now?

23:32

doesn't know what to do with

23:36

herself. And so this like,

23:36

disheveled, like young girl

23:40

shows up out of nowhere, and is

23:40

like, let me do science for you.

23:43

And she's like, you she's not

23:43

really on board with it. But

23:51

she's also like, she, she kind

23:51

of gets these flashbacks to her

23:56

husband, because she sees this

23:56

look in Lucy's eye. And she's

23:59

like, I've seen that look before

23:59

that is like straight ambition.

24:02

Like this is someone who's just

24:02

going to bowl over anyone in

24:04

their way to get what they want

24:04

and like all this stuff. But

24:08

because of that, she's also

24:08

like, I don't want to say

24:11

intimidated but maybe just do

24:11

like, a little bit of like the

24:15

programming that her husband

24:15

kind of like, you know, shut

24:19

down to her kind of takes over

24:19

and she's like, well why why

24:24

don't we go to this meeting of

24:24

like the polite society or

24:28

whatever, because you're my best

24:28

option right now. And we'll see

24:32

how it goes. Like not committing

24:32

to anything. We'll see how it

24:35

goes. You can maybe work on it a

24:35

little bit in my library stay

24:37

here for a few days but like

24:37

we'll see how it goes. So she

24:41

does a great So Lucy is now

24:41

living temporarily with Lady

24:45

Catherine so it's gonna end

24:45

well. You can imagine those

24:49

we're gonna end row with this end.

24:52

Yeah

24:53

it's a choose your own

24:53

adventure guys. No, it's not we

24:56

all know why it's heading.

24:58

Well what had there if

24:58

it were choose your own interest

25:00

stories.

25:02

Play in the gay card.

25:05

Or just skip to chapter

25:05

nine, Chapter chapters 16

25:14

I'm glad we're on the

25:14

same page. Oh, God. So I will

25:20

also mention that Lucy does have

25:20

a few. Well, sorry, roll it

25:27

back, just a brief moment. There

25:27

are a few kind of awkward

25:31

moments. So Lucy still only has

25:31

her morning like outfits from

25:35

her, her dad and she doesn't

25:35

have the money to buy nails,

25:38

anything else. So she doesn't

25:38

have that much in the way of

25:40

clothing and she's not

25:40

particularly well off. So like,

25:44

she has to go to like a formal

25:44

dinner with this like, Lady and

25:49

is wearing this.

25:51

She get dressed by the

25:51

lady or does she just show up?

25:53

And

25:55

she just shows up? She

25:55

like shows up to this formal

25:57

dinner like and it's just the

25:57

two of them. But it's still

25:59

like, you know, like a formal like, oh, I have a guest over kind of dinner. And she's not

26:01

you know, dressed great. But she

26:05

does wear her best gown which

26:05

happens to be one that press

26:08

embroidered. Oh, yeah. Oh, so

26:08

embroidery is I will say a theme

26:15

in this book. It's a thing that

26:15

will come up again. So press is

26:18

embroidered. It's beautiful. I

26:18

press was a very gifted with

26:21

embroidery. And so Katherine

26:21

comments on it, and makes a

26:27

comment that she kind of like

26:27

says it and immediately kicks

26:30

herself but it Lucy kind of

26:30

loses her cool a little bit and

26:34

like starts to cry and ends up

26:34

leaving center. And so Lady

26:37

Catherine is like, Oh, shit. God

26:37

dammit. Okay. Oh, God, I haven't

26:43

done this in a while. All right,

26:43

I'll try to be better tomorrow,

26:47

I have to at least be like, the

26:47

social anxiety this woman feels

26:51

it just I feel it on a deep

26:51

personal level saying. So the

26:56

next day she like, goes into the

26:56

libraries. Like can I keep you

27:00

company? Like, I'm gonna try it.

27:00

So they start to like, it's a

27:05

little awkward, but they start

27:05

to have, you know, bridge the

27:09

gap a little bit and like, you

27:09

know, make some connections. And

27:14

every once in a while Lucy,

27:14

like, will glance up and she's

27:16

like, she's a very attractive

27:16

woman. I did not expect that

27:20

like, having never seen her. But

27:20

she's a beautiful like not she's

27:25

not that old. She's like, not

27:25

that much older than Lucy and

27:27

everything and what also like, I

27:27

kind of have been through a lot.

27:33

So we're just gonna and I will

27:33

say props to her Lady Catherine.

27:37

She pretty much gets the hits

27:37

the nail on the head. She's

27:39

like, Oh, I see her in Paris.

27:39

Love, got it. But like doesn't

27:47

make that much of it. It's you

27:47

very much. And this is kind of

27:49

what the author was saying with

27:49

the authored feel. It feels like

27:52

they've done their research.

27:52

It's one of those things where

27:56

like, for as much as the

27:56

Victorians, like touted being

27:59

all prim and proper, they were

27:59

freaky. Oh, they got down. Oh,

28:04

yeah. And home, like,

28:04

homosexuality was very much

28:08

something that was like, it was

28:08

a thing. It wasn't acknowledged

28:11

publicly. But like, surely

28:11

before the Victorian like this

28:16

era came around, it was way more

28:16

wildly accepted. But like as

28:20

this came around, it was like,

28:20

guys yet don't get caught

28:24

because it's gonna be a bad

28:24

time. Even though very much

28:28

there was the Oh, but they're

28:28

just close their close friends.

28:32

Like there was a little bit more

28:32

leeway. So they actually do kind

28:35

of explain that in the book. And

28:35

I found that very well done. I

28:39

will say, so she just kind of

28:39

have this like, okay, I get it

28:42

like it's not I'm not going to

28:42

judge it's not weird. It's fine.

28:46

She's just kind of like brushes

28:46

it aside. So Lucy throughout all

28:52

this time, she's studying this

28:52

text that she has in French or

28:54

whatever, and she's trying to

28:54

figure out so she they're going

28:58

to basically go to this dinner

28:58

with the polite Science Society,

29:02

which if that's not the most

29:02

Victorian society name ever, I

29:06

don't know what is. Um, it makes

29:06

me uncomfortable just hearing

29:10

it. Oh, it should the main dudes

29:10

an asshole. So they're gonna go

29:16

to this like dinner. And that's

29:16

where Lady Catherine is going to

29:20

put Lucy up as like, This is who

29:20

I'm supporting for this

29:24

translation job. So Lucy wants

29:24

to kind of bring an example of

29:28

like, okay, maybe I'll do like

29:28

the first chapter or something.

29:33

So she's working on it, and she's trying to figure out how she wants to kind of like, make

29:35

a mark and like stand out a

29:38

little bit. So she decides that

29:38

instead of just translating this

29:41

work, she's going to translate

29:41

it and then also kind of expand

29:45

it a little bit. And make it a

29:45

little more accessible for

29:51

people that maybe don't have

29:51

that like scientific background.

29:54

So that you know, go back and

29:54

explain like, Oh, here's this

29:57

new thing, but this is what it

29:57

was built on. So You can like

30:00

understand where it's coming from that kind of thing.

30:03

Making herself more

30:03

reputable for them. Yeah,

30:06

she's she's making it so

30:06

that spoilers they name it the

30:10

ladies guide to celestial

30:10

mechanics. So like it's for

30:13

people who like have never had

30:13

all of the schooling and stuff

30:16

that you might need originally

30:16

to understand this kind of thing

30:20

and makes my gay little heart

30:20

melt a little fuzzy. She's doing

30:25

it because she likes So

30:25

Catherine is a when I said

30:29

embroidery, she is like an

30:29

artist with embroidery. She is

30:33

amazing. So everything in our

30:33

house is like all embroidered

30:37

with things from exotic lands

30:37

that she's seen. So like there's

30:39

like pineapple, ginger, and all

30:39

these plants and like all these

30:42

things that are just exotic and

30:42

amazing. And they look like

30:45

paintings kind of thing. And so

30:45

like Lucy was having her tell

30:50

her about all these things. And

30:50

she's like, I think that she

30:54

would love this stuff. But she's

30:54

never had an opportunity to

30:56

learn it. So she's doing it for

30:56

Katherine. Oh, like this kind of

31:01

her inspiration. Fuzzy heart.

31:01

Let's go. All right. scene to

31:08

the dinner. So we're going to

31:08

dinner the polite Science

31:11

Society. And Lucy's nervous,

31:11

obviously. But she brings her

31:15

draft with her and Catherine's

31:15

like, it'll be fine. Secretly

31:19

Catherine's like, Oh, they've

31:19

never done this whole women

31:21

thing before. It'll be fine.

31:21

It's probably fine. Um, so

31:26

Katherine puts her forward as a

31:26

possible fellow. And she's sort

31:29

of competing against this other

31:29

dude whose daddy is rich and

31:32

important. So he's being put

31:32

forth as a fellow and then

31:35

another guy who has an actual,

31:35

like, scientific reputation, who

31:38

is a very wholesome being. He's

31:38

wonderful. To also help with it.

31:42

And so they put forth Katherine

31:42

and Lucy. And the main dude is

31:47

like, well, I, I appreciate

31:47

smart. I appreciate what you're

31:53

trying to do. But no, it's not

31:53

really done. And she's like,

32:00

well, but would you please like

32:00

here? I brought an example.

32:03

Like, please look at my work.

32:03

And he she sets it on the table,

32:06

and he just throws it to the

32:06

ground. Ah, yes. Oh, what an

32:12

ass. Oh, I hate him. He's so

32:12

bad. Oh, and no, Catherine. Go

32:20

girl stands up. It is like, No,

32:20

I am no monitor funding this

32:24

project, you can find your own

32:24

money. And I am fully putting my

32:28

money behind this woman who's

32:28

going to do the whole project

32:31

for me and imagining

32:34

her doing like the wolf

32:34

Smith mean to lose money.

32:40

Right. Yeah, she's, I.

32:40

It's so fun. Like, the

32:47

characters are really well

32:47

developed in this book. And one

32:50

thing that like Katherine, it's

32:50

very interesting to see how the

32:54

author wrote her is like, yeah,

32:54

she went through hell with her

32:56

husband. Like, he just did not

32:56

give a shit about her. She was a

32:59

means to an end because she had

32:59

money. And so she's kind of

33:04

like, she has all this prim and

33:04

proper training, and she's very

33:07

calm, cool and collected, and

33:07

she can take a lot of shit. But

33:10

every once in a while something

33:10

happens. And she's like, No, no,

33:15

this is not happening. And I

33:15

love good. Put your foot down

33:19

woman She's so great. So they

33:19

storm off. And she is like, how

33:25

long do you think it would take you to do this? Because you're gonna stay in my house and I'm

33:27

gonna pay you through all of it.

33:30

And I'm supporting you and I'm

33:30

publishing it and this is going

33:32

to be great. And Lucy's. Okay.

33:36

She really did tell

33:36

them to fuck her at all.

33:39

Yeah, right off.

33:40

She went full Mama Bear.

33:42

She went 100% Did

33:44

I will say Don't say

33:44

mama bear because they're gonna

33:46

get it on later. And that's just

33:46

weird. Yeah, sorry.

33:51

That is kind of the point of this book, isn't it?

33:52

Yeah. Now I'm fine.

33:52

What's what's another analogy?

33:58

That's the question.

34:01

She went for.

34:05

boss bitch. That's

34:05

better. Word. Yeah, boss, bitch.

34:09

I'll take it. So, so Lucy's kind

34:09

of like in shock, but sure

34:17

enough, they're there say like,

34:17

she's staying and they're like

34:21

starting to actually build a

34:21

little bit of a friendship. And

34:23

they end up going and visiting a

34:23

woman named It's Aunt Kelmarsh

34:27

is her name and she is

34:27

Catherine's aunt and this is

34:30

like, I I'm kind of they do a

34:30

really good job on this book of

34:34

not like everything isn't

34:34

happening in two days. Like this

34:37

is a couple weeks kind of thing.

34:37

So there is like time for them

34:41

to become friends and actually

34:41

start to like, build this

34:44

rapport and everything. They

34:44

like have dinner together every

34:48

night. They have tea, like they

34:48

keep each other company during

34:50

the day like they're spending a

34:50

lot of time together. But they

34:53

go and visit Katherine's on, on

34:53

Kelmarsh and actually, she is

34:59

also asked A lot of the polite

34:59

society, Science Society, like

35:03

she was there with the whole

35:03

thing with losing Katherine,

35:06

because she is a botanist in her

35:06

own like she on her own. They

35:10

don't recognize her, obviously.

35:10

But she is a very good body

35:14

girl. And so she she is not when

35:14

I say she's Catherine's on she

35:19

is aunt by marriage. So she's

35:19

not directly related to

35:23

Katherine. She married

35:23

Catherine's uncle, I guess.

35:28

Yeah. Does that make sense?

35:28

That's how it works. Yes, but it

35:31

matters. Yes, it matters for a

35:31

hot minute. Um, so they go and

35:36

have I think it's actually it's

35:36

tea and they're like going

35:38

through the garden that she has,

35:38

it's a beautiful garden, and

35:41

they show her this like, on

35:41

Kelmarsh who is like the

35:44

sassiest old lady ever. I love

35:44

her. She takes no shit from

35:47

anybody. She chose them this

35:47

thing that she has in her

35:50

garden. And it's like this, this

35:50

like, it's called the shell

35:54

grotto. And it's this space

35:54

that's like the into the walls

35:58

have been placed all of these

35:58

fossils and shells. And they've

36:01

been designed in this, like

36:01

swirling patterns and

36:04

everything. And what they are is

36:04

they are pieces of artifacts

36:09

that Katherine's mother had

36:09

collected, because her mother

36:11

was a scientist, like love to

36:11

collect all of these scientific

36:14

artifacts, everything that she

36:14

had taken and made this thing.

36:19

And Kelmarsh and Lucy get to

36:19

talking. And it's like they have

36:23

an immediate understanding of I

36:23

know what you went through. I'm

36:27

so sorry. You lost this woman

36:27

that you loved, like an

36:31

Catherine's kind of on the

36:31

outside like what is I don't

36:34

understand what's happening. And

36:34

Kelmarsh kind of makes this side

36:38

comment that just drops on

36:38

Catherine like the world is

36:42

shattering open of this is my

36:42

monument to your mother. Oh,

36:48

because she didn't want to marry

36:48

her uncle there's so much gay in

36:56

this book. It's

37:03

there's a lot

37:04

happening. There's so

37:04

much happening. I a lot of these

37:08

are like these little like, it's

37:08

just sprinkled in. But it's I

37:11

feel like it's important for me

37:11

to mention these things because

37:14

like it

37:15

when it's just like,

37:15

peppered in here and there, it

37:19

makes it more authentic, right,

37:19

it makes it feel more real than

37:23

just like lesbian in your face

37:23

lesbian.

37:26

And it's the first time

37:26

Catherine sort of has this like,

37:30

it's this earth shattering

37:30

moment of a woman can love

37:33

another woman. Like logically

37:33

she knew that like women can

37:36

have sex together. But it's this

37:36

moment of oh, oh, there can be a

37:42

relationship there that she just

37:42

like, which like I get it not

37:46

realizing that that's an option.

37:46

I get that I was there at one

37:50

point. When Uh huh.

37:53

What? Right What? You

37:53

mean society keeps telling me

37:58

not to put I can but I

38:00

can Oh my god. This

38:00

Changes Everything changes

38:05

everything. Yeah. So she has

38:05

this like super shocking

38:08

realization and she also has the

38:08

realization that oh, that's why

38:12

I was attracted to that one lady

38:12

on that one expedition or why I

38:15

wanted to spend so much time

38:15

around her. Oh, my glitch, like,

38:20

if you realize you are any sort

38:20

of not just home homeless, I

38:24

learned homosexual hetero sorry,

38:24

later on in life and have that

38:29

moment of oh, and then you look

38:29

back in your past or like, Oh,

38:33

she has those moments, which

38:33

everything just clicks and can

38:37

relate to. Yeah. And then the

38:37

other realization, a lot of

38:41

realizations one right after the

38:41

other of Oh, I like Lucy. Oh,

38:47

but but she's still kind of

38:47

getting over this past woman

38:52

that she's been with that she

38:52

like was in love with and I

38:55

don't think it's right for me to

38:55

like, push that and what if she

38:58

doesn't like me back? You know

38:58

what I could do? I'm gonna make

39:00

her something. I'm gonna make

39:00

her gift. So she knowing that

39:05

Lucy doesn't have a lot of

39:05

clothes. She starts working on a

39:08

new shawl for Lucy embroidery.

39:08

And it's this like, it is

39:12

basically a map of the night

39:12

sky. Like a star chart in this

39:17

shawl and she worked on it for

39:17

weeks and like, is keeping Lucy

39:21

company but then also like

39:21

sneaking off to work on this

39:23

thing. It's so cute. So

39:23

wholesome. It is. Oh, this is so

39:29

wholesome. I'm so happy. So

39:29

wholesome. I love it so much. Oh

39:34

my god. I will say this is

39:34

weird. I don't know if we've had

39:38

a gay romance novel that hasn't

39:38

been wholesome. We've had so

39:42

many like hetero like normative

39:42

romances that are real

39:47

problematic. We haven't had a

39:47

gay one that's problematic yet.

39:51

was the

39:51

first one not

39:51

problematic. It all it was from

39:54

that episode was the sex. No,

39:54

actually,

39:57

it was fine. They had a

39:57

really good health They respect

40:00

for each other. Good see only

40:00

pro guys right?

40:04

Gays can save the day.

40:08

That shirt gays can

40:08

save. The only problematic thing

40:13

we had was we had one where they

40:13

were at like, they were forming

40:17

a gay relationship at a pray the

40:17

gay away camp, but the gag

40:21

relationship was not the browser.

40:23

Yep. Yep. Remember

40:23

that? Yeah.

40:25

Yeah. The location was then

40:25

yeah, that's the problem.

40:29

Exactly. Yeah. So I just

40:29

like, I'm happy about that.

40:34

That's good. Guys. Good. Gays.

40:34

Great.

40:36

Gay is good. Hey. That

40:36

was a sticker I saw today.

40:41

Oh, that's even better.

40:41

Um, so she worked on this for

40:47

weeks. And Lucy is during this

40:47

entire time translating this

40:51

book. And she gets like a couple

40:51

chapters in and everything or

40:54

the first chapter done. And she

40:54

asks Catherine to read over it.

40:58

And Katherine does and she's

40:58

like, wow, like, I didn't know

41:02

that this this book was so like

41:02

eloquent and so easy to

41:06

understand. Like, this is really

41:06

interesting. It's not something

41:08

I think I pursued but like it's

41:08

really interesting. And Lucy's

41:10

like, well, that's not maybe

41:10

exactly the entire book. I wrote

41:16

a lot of that. Actually. I

41:16

expanded on it. Kind of like,

41:20

what you wrote this. Yeah. I

41:20

kind of maybe thought about

41:25

explaining it to you when I was

41:25

writing it. Oh, and so Catherine

41:31

is like, I made you this gift.

41:31

And then they smooth it's even

41:39

better, because she gives this

41:39

gift in its beauty. A beautiful

41:42

shot. She gives this gift to

41:42

Lucy. And Lucy is like, has this

41:45

oh, oh. Oh, can I kiss you?

41:45

Like, I would like that. Yes.

41:55

Oh.

41:58

Oh, nuchal to ask me

41:58

next time.

42:07

God bless your husband

42:10

is so so much. Oh, god.

42:10

Okay.

42:15

And one thing I'm

42:15

excited about with this is like,

42:19

I love reading books, where the

42:19

romance is new to one of the

42:23

characters like Katherine's been

42:23

married, she's been through that

42:27

whole ordeal. But this is all

42:27

new and exciting. And like, you

42:30

get the butterflies reading it

42:30

and listening to it. In our

42:34

case,

42:35

I like when it's that

42:35

case. But it's not the one of

42:38

them is a virgin and just

42:38

doesn't know. Yes. Like I

42:43

personally prefer romance

42:43

novels. We're both of them have

42:45

been around the block as it

42:45

were. Mm hmm. But it's nice to

42:51

like, have someone be

42:51

discovering the love part of it.

42:54

Or like just the like interest

42:54

another human that appreciates

42:57

them and respects them part of

42:57

it that they've never

42:59

experienced before. And it's

42:59

like, Yes, this is like therapy.

43:03

It's like watching someone go

43:03

through therapy and get like,

43:06

bro, it's wonderful. I love it.

43:06

Alright, so and so over dinner,

43:15

Catherine? very casually, like,

43:15

so casually. It's just like, Oh,

43:22

yes, I'm so you enjoyed the show

43:22

that I made you would you

43:26

perhaps be interested in seeing

43:26

the my my what's it's like an

43:32

example book of my my embroidery

43:32

book that I haven't fully okay.

43:36

Yeah, kind of like that. It's in

43:36

my room. Oh, show you after

43:40

dinner if yes, hello. Would you

43:40

like to come see my embroidery?

43:48

It's in my bedroom.

43:52

I have it girl. I would

43:52

like to invite you to a party.

43:55

The party is in my hands. I feel like there's a scissor

43:57

joke in there somewhere. But I

43:59

can't quite make that work.

44:04

Oh, it's just I'll bring

44:04

the scissors Oh, it's so good.

44:13

It's so good. Beautiful. So she

44:13

does she actually goes up to

44:20

Catherine's bedroom after

44:20

dinner. Catherine dismisses her

44:24

maid, which also like another

44:24

prop to this book. doesn't shy

44:29

away from the fact that there

44:29

are brown people in England at

44:33

this time. Really weird, right?

44:38

Yeah. I've been reading

44:38

a lot of historical fiction and

44:43

that is not the case. No, it's

44:43

usually not.

44:47

But some of her like her

44:47

like Lady lady and waiting lady.

44:51

I don't know the name for that

44:51

one is a African woman. I think

44:56

she's right. She might be from

44:56

the Caribbean. I don't remember

45:00

It's I don't know if it actually

45:00

specifically says it, but she is

45:03

darker skinned, which is

45:03

awesome. And she's Yes. Oh,

45:08

good. So you very much get the

45:08

vibe that like, yeah, they still

45:11

have the like, servant, Master

45:11

kind of situation but they're

45:14

like, kind of friends as much as

45:14

that situation in that time

45:18

would allow. It's it's better

45:18

than you would expect better

45:22

than expected

45:24

it's usually like the

45:24

the books that I've been reading

45:27

the like, ladies in waiting or

45:27

the the help they're like

45:32

extended family.

45:34

Yeah and that's kind of

45:34

the the vibe that you get

45:37

because Catherine just like

45:37

legitimately cares about the

45:39

people that she lives with

45:39

because like she's living with

45:41

them and is around them all the

45:41

time and actually gives a shit

45:44

weird novel concept.

45:45

She's a decent human

45:45

being. Yes,

45:48

we are. Um, so they she

45:48

does actually I will say so they

45:52

go to the bedroom to look at

45:52

this portfolio thing. And they

45:58

do. Katherine shows her her

45:58

portfolio. And it's amazing like

46:04

she were this is like

46:04

embroidery, but she has like,

46:07

for instance, their first Oh,

46:08

you're talking about

46:08

literal literally. Oh, really

46:12

good.

46:15

Would you like to see my

46:15

portfolio? Baby? I mean, so they

46:26

did, but she does actually show

46:26

her her like literal portfolio

46:29

embroidery stuff. And it's like

46:29

from her first. From her first

46:33

voyage. She did like portraits

46:33

of all the crew. And it's like

46:36

full portraits in embroidery and

46:36

like, Wow, all the stuff. She's

46:39

like, the thing that they talk a

46:39

lot about the horrors of

46:43

colonialism, and like

46:43

imperialism and all that. And

46:46

she's like, this is the princess

46:46

of this nation that we went and

46:49

saw. She's not there anymore.

46:49

Like most of these people died.

46:53

We did this like she's like,

46:53

obviously, like was really

46:56

affected by this. And like,

46:56

Katherine, I love you. You get

47:01

it because me chills. But she

47:01

also has a portrait of her

47:03

husband, her late husband. So

47:03

that's fun to like, this guy's

47:07

dead. Yeah, it's fine. And you

47:07

get kind of like, you start to

47:10

get Katherine's background of

47:10

like, he really didn't care

47:14

much. He only cared about like

47:14

being like having a major

47:17

scientific something that he

47:17

discovered. And she was just

47:21

there to help kind of thing

47:21

which like, she was a little bit

47:25

of that time. It's not out of

47:25

the question. But still, it's

47:27

like, she wasn't treated well.

47:27

But so they after that, they do

47:33

start smooching. They have a

47:33

nice heart to heart. They start

47:37

smooching and you can tell

47:37

Catherine is starting to like,

47:41

get maybe a little bit almost

47:41

like anxious, excited. And so

47:45

like, you know, there's some

47:45

some booby touching. And

47:48

Catherine is kind of freaked are

47:48

like, sorry, Catherine is the

47:51

one that does it she instigates

47:51

and Lucy's like, oh, and she's

47:54

like, I'm sorry, was that too

47:54

fast? She's like, not for me.

47:58

But is this too fast for you?

47:58

And she's like, well, I, I don't

48:03

know. Like, I'm excited. But I'm

48:03

also nervous. Unless she's like,

48:08

well, then we stop. Because see,

48:08

we only need to do this when

48:12

you're ready to do this. I want

48:12

you to be more excited than like

48:15

anxious about this. You should

48:15

this should be something you

48:17

really want to do and are 100%

48:17

on board with.

48:21

So far, the best part

48:21

about this book? Is that open

48:23

communication?

48:25

Well, it does break down

48:25

a little bit. But as far as sex

48:28

goes really good about that.

48:32

You can't have a book

48:32

unless someone didn't tell

48:34

someone something.

48:35

Yeah. And it's, it's,

48:35

it's done in a realistic way. I

48:38

will say that. So they actually

48:38

just stop and their relationship

48:43

sort of like starts to build now

48:43

that they both know that like,

48:46

Oh, she likes me. She likes me

48:46

Ooh, kind of thing. So as Lucy

48:51

continues to do this

48:51

translation, and after a little

48:54

while, they do blink. It just

48:54

takes like, like they take their

48:59

time, like every day is like

48:59

Lucy goes back to her apartment,

49:03

her room pretty much every day

49:03

after dinner. And just like they

49:07

get a little bit further and a

49:07

little bit further until both

49:10

are comfortable enough that they

49:10

actually have sex. So like. Yes.

49:15

Oh, yes. This is me say no, it's

49:15

so good. So let's get into a

49:22

mini montage. Just a little bit.

49:22

Oh, oh, mini montage of their

49:27

relationship kind of developing.

49:27

So they are spending a lot of

49:31

time together. Lucy has been

49:31

recommended several times by the

49:37

one like wholesome dude, the

49:37

good of the guy of the two that

49:41

we're actually going to be working on this translation instead of her. He gets he

49:42

leaves the translation because

49:48

other people are being assholes.

49:48

And so he's talking to Lucy

49:50

about her translation. And he's

49:50

like, Hey, have you sent your

49:55

work to this like em? Hola. Ron

49:55

is the only Iran, it's called

50:00

the old Iran is like the author,

50:00

whatever. Have you sent it to

50:03

them, so that they can look over

50:03

it and like say, Hey, I'm doing

50:07

this translation, I'm going to

50:07

publish it in English in London.

50:10

She's like, Guys, I will, she's

50:10

very nervous about it, real

50:15

nervous about it. So she's kind

50:15

of like starting to get pressure

50:19

from that, you get a little more

50:19

of the background and the

50:22

history of both Katherine Lucy

50:22

and like Lucy with pris, and

50:27

like, her brother and her like,

50:27

her dad tried to get her brother

50:32

into science and her into art,

50:32

and they ended up going the

50:34

opposite direction. So like her

50:34

brother's an artist, she did all

50:37

the science stuff, like they're

50:37

kind of relationship together.

50:40

And then you get like, Katherine

50:40

with all of her travels all over

50:44

the world, with this man that

50:44

just didn't give a shit. So she,

50:49

because of that, she like found

50:49

ways to do her own documentation

50:53

in the form of all this

50:53

embroidery, which is how she

50:55

like, gained her skill, so much

50:55

of like, doing portraits of the

50:58

whole crew, and like remembering

50:58

the ones that died in the

51:01

journey, and like doing

51:01

portraits of all are like

51:03

pictures, studies of all these

51:03

plants, and all this flora and

51:05

fauna they found and like, her

51:05

book is like, from all over the

51:09

world, she did a map of like,

51:09

their entire journey kind of

51:12

thing. Like, wow, she just

51:12

documented everything. So she is

51:16

I mean, and you also start to

51:16

learn that, like, she doesn't

51:19

see what she does as being

51:19

particularly special, despite

51:23

the fact that it's like, very

51:23

good. And she's like, she gets

51:29

actually and you guys feel this

51:29

is also very relatable, kind of

51:33

like mad and upset when someone

51:33

calls her an artist, because

51:35

she's like, No, I'm not No, no,

51:35

I'm not an artist. No. Dairy.

51:40

That complements. Exactly, yeah.

51:40

So you kind of get that that in

51:43

her background. And let's see,

51:43

oh, at one point. So the day

51:50

after they have sex. She had

51:50

dismissed her serving the night

51:53

before and said, Oh, Lucy will

51:53

help me don't worry. And so

51:56

servant came back in in the

51:56

morning, and Lucy was still

51:58

there. We'll see like, goes to

51:58

leave. And the servant comes

52:03

back and she's like, so can I

52:03

ask you a personal question?

52:10

Kevin's like, yeah, just like,

52:10

is the only reason you sent me

52:15

away? So that to hide the affair

52:15

that you guys were having? Yeah.

52:21

You're not gonna fire me? Oh,

52:21

you're just trying to get she's

52:26

like, Oh, it's fine. Oh, go for

52:26

it. Have a good time. Please

52:30

don't fire me though.

52:32

The name is Tiffany.

52:36

Let me help me. Please

52:36

tell me that you still like?

52:41

Exactly. So let's see, there's

52:41

that. But we also start to get

52:48

some cracks happening. So like

52:48

they're getting very close in a

52:53

relationship. Like they really

52:53

start to like really develop

52:55

feelings for each other. But you

52:55

also start to see like, for

52:59

instance, they go to an art show

52:59

that Lucy's brother is part of,

53:03

and they're like talking about

53:03

the art and everything and and

53:06

Katherine gets actually meet

53:06

Lucy's brother and a lot of

53:09

like, her friends and all this

53:09

stuff. And she's talking to

53:12

people and they're talking about

53:12

like, oh, yeah, like those two,

53:15

you know, they might marry because, you know, Lucy is really gonna, you know, do

53:17

something and like, all this stuff, and Catherine is starting

53:19

to get this understanding or

53:21

like, self doubt, essentially of

53:21

like, well, she has to be with

53:25

someone like she can't be with

53:25

me obviously, like, and why

53:28

would she want to be I'm just a

53:28

stuffy like, you know, widow

53:31

that, you know, doesn't really

53:31

do anything during the day and

53:33

like, like, it's a lot of self

53:33

doubt, starts to couches,

53:38

Wheedle it very relatable to boy

53:38

is myth. And Lucy also starts to

53:48

like, get a little bit of doubt,

53:48

too. But hers is more along the

53:53

lines of like, she understands

53:53

that her relationship with

53:59

Katherine at least financially

53:59

right now, because Catherine is

54:01

supporting her. But it's not an

54:01

equal. They're not on equal

54:06

footing. Like Lucy has very

54:06

little money. Catherine is

54:09

paying for everything. And so

54:09

she's like, starting this affair

54:11

with this really rich woman. And

54:11

she has nothing feels like she

54:15

has nothing to bring to the

54:15

table. Right? So that it's like

54:18

some cracks are kind of

54:18

starting, that they're not

54:21

talking about which I understand

54:21

why they're not. Right, if that

54:25

makes sense. Like it's

54:27

yeah, like a new

54:27

relationship. You don't want to

54:30

like, expose all your

54:30

insecurities right out the gate.

54:32

Exactly.

54:33

Exactly. So Lucy has

54:33

been working on this translation

54:38

for months at this point. And

54:38

she finishes it like she has an

54:42

in hand. She's getting toward

54:42

the end of this translation. And

54:46

she gets a letter from homeboy

54:46

the head of the polite society

54:53

Science Society. who's like,

54:53

hey, you know, I'm really sorry

54:59

about I'm really sorry that we

54:59

had such a difficult interaction

55:03

before you come to tea.

55:07

What do you want?

55:08

He's like, what do you

55:08

what? Yeah, she goes to tea with

55:14

him. And he's like, luck. We may

55:14

have differences, but you know,

55:23

he would it would you have a

55:23

duty to science to to benefit

55:28

this other translation that

55:28

we're doing and like, you know,

55:33

you could really make great

55:33

contributions to everything. And

55:36

it's just like, your guy fucked

55:36

it up, didn't he? Wow. Ah, is my

55:42

name gonna be on that? If I come

55:42

in and save it? Oh, we'll see.

55:47

Yeah, no, fuck that shit. I'm

55:47

out. Good for you. Right. And

55:54

Catherine is just livid. When

55:54

they get back. She's like,

55:59

walking around, like breaks the

55:59

teak Righteous Fury. This is

56:09

bullshit. So instead, they go to

56:09

a publisher. And Catherine goes

56:15

full on like, businesswoman mode

56:15

boss as pitch, if you will of

56:20

like, we want to publish this.

56:20

Well, but I've never we don't

56:24

really you publish a magazine

56:24

for women, don't you? Yes. Well,

56:28

why? Why don't we serialize it?

56:28

We could do it? No. How about I

56:33

put the cost? Oh, so you're

56:33

gonna pay for it? Yeah. And does

56:38

that mean you get most of the or

56:38

the profits? Well, I get most of

56:40

them, obviously, you'll get some

56:40

of them. It's like full on

56:43

negotiate. And at the end of it,

56:43

she is good business, right. And

56:48

at the end of it, sure enough,

56:48

they negotiate, there's going to

56:52

be a run of print for this

56:52

novel. And it's just like deep

56:55

blue cover, which is why the

56:55

cover of this book should be

56:58

blue. Hello, and welcome to my

56:58

TED Talk. And it's printed, and

57:05

it kind of so make your heart

57:05

fuzzy. Lucy and Catherine are

57:10

part of a book club. I go

57:10

together on like, Wednesdays or

57:15

something.

57:17

And I didn't know a couple of them.

57:19

Club promised to read

57:19

Lucy's book when it was

57:21

published. And they go to the

57:21

book club and they're like, You

57:25

made us go all over the frickin

57:25

city to find this book. And

57:28

she's like, Oh my god, they said

57:28

they were gonna do like a normal

57:30

print run of it. And like there

57:30

was gonna be like, no, no, they

57:33

were all sold out. We couldn't

57:33

find it out. We had to share one

57:38

book. So so we're book

57:38

essentially goes viral in

57:46

Victoria. And it sells like

57:46

crazy. She makes so much money,

57:51

she's able to go out and buy a

57:51

bunch of actual clothes, like

57:54

dresses and stuff that aren't

57:54

morning clothes. Like, she like,

57:58

has money now. She is an

57:58

established woman. But she's

58:02

still staying. Catherine,

58:02

obviously. I mean, don't don't

58:08

stray too far from the honey

58:08

baby. Right? Well, so at one

58:11

point though, they're walking

58:11

down the street. And she's

58:15

seeing her books and like the

58:15

Caesar book in the store and

58:17

everything and it's all the

58:17

rage. And I walk past this print

58:20

shop. And notice there's a

58:20

painting in the window of the

58:25

print shop that is and I should

58:25

say, on this book, it says L mu

58:30

county it doesn't have her first

58:30

name. She specifically she's

58:35

like I'm going to use my entire

58:35

first name when I publish a book

58:37

that is my entire only my work

58:37

not translated and adapted.

58:41

Right? She walks by printshop

58:41

and there is a portrait of her.

58:47

And it's titled, like El McHale

58:47

like it is outing her

58:51

essentially as a woman who wrote

58:51

this book and the portrait

58:55

itself like she specifically

58:55

makes note that like all of her

58:58

features are like softened and

58:58

she's wearing this flowy dress

59:02

and it's all very like feminine

59:02

everything and then there's like

59:05

the ghost of her father in the

59:05

background who very much has not

59:08

been like made pretty and

59:08

everything and like she thought

59:13

she basically has this thought

59:13

of is this what fainting feels

59:16

like and then wakes up in the

59:16

middle of brandy that Catherine

59:18

is like handing her because she

59:18

made sure she got home. And her

59:22

brother did it. Her brother used

59:22

her to her Yeah. to like get his

59:31

name out there. She's not

59:31

pleased and so no because of

59:36

that they make note that like

59:36

all of this fan mail that she's

59:38

been getting the tone shifts

59:38

right it shifts from like, Oh,

59:41

you're so great. Like this is

59:41

amazing too. Like, Oh honey did

59:47

such a good job like that kind

59:47

of thing. And very patronizing.

59:51

And so Catherine as well as some

59:51

like threats and everything so

59:54

Catherine starts like screening

59:54

her mail like and she tells me

59:57

like I'm gonna I'm you don't

59:57

need to deal with this. I will

59:59

deal with this. This is Not your

59:59

problems are like screens the

1:00:01

male so she doesn't have to look

1:00:01

at the bad shit. And they're

1:00:03

like, we should go on a holiday.

1:00:03

Why don't we go get away? Let's

1:00:07

go on a holiday. So gave me the

1:00:07

vacation. Um, they ended up

1:00:14

going to back to Lucy's house,

1:00:14

like in, in the country because

1:00:20

she's like, Well, my brother's

1:00:20

not going to be there for a

1:00:24

while and it's going to be just

1:00:24

empty. Why don't why don't we

1:00:28

just go there? So they do they

1:00:28

go to the country and have a

1:00:31

little little vacation in the

1:00:31

country and have lots of sex.

1:00:35

And Lucy shows her how to do

1:00:35

observations like in the little

1:00:38

observatory that they have. And

1:00:38

they meet Chris and her husband.

1:00:43

Oh, okay. Oh, no, they go to

1:00:43

dinner with them. And Catherine?

1:00:47

Oh yeah, during the dinner, it

1:00:50

comes out that like, presses

1:00:54

husband knows that press is gay.

1:00:54

And he's, it's actually very

1:01:00

like it comes across as very

1:01:00

sad. Because like, he knows and

1:01:04

he wants to support her but he

1:01:04

knows that he can't and also

1:01:07

that she doesn't love him. Oh,

1:01:07

and but he was like, in love

1:01:11

with her. Like it's it's just

1:01:11

the little like relationships

1:01:15

that just get inserted in it's

1:01:15

just like, oh my god, rip my

1:01:19

heart out. Why don't shit Jesus

1:01:19

Christ. Yeah, but Lucy actually

1:01:24

sees this as like, okay, like,

1:01:24

the past is wrapped up. Like I'm

1:01:28

feeling good about this. Like, I

1:01:28

am. Pretty much in love with

1:01:32

Katherine like, this is fine. I

1:01:32

don't I'm not in love with this

1:01:35

anymore. So like, she feels

1:01:35

actually pretty good about it.

1:01:38

And I will say though, this also

1:01:38

kind of like, again, kind of

1:01:41

seeds some some doubts in

1:01:41

Katherine. And it's entirely

1:01:44

like, like self doubting kind of

1:01:44

thing. So she's still like,

1:01:47

yeah, yeah, I know. But what if

1:01:47

she still likes press and like,

1:01:50

you know, a lot of self doubt.

1:01:50

For girl, girl, I get it. So

1:01:55

Lucy's brother does reach out to

1:01:55

Lucy and his, like, wants to

1:02:00

meet with her. When they get

1:02:00

back to London. Fuck off. And

1:02:04

Catherine is like, No, you need

1:02:04

to have see him in this room.

1:02:07

And just the coldest and most

1:02:07

sterile of all of my receiving

1:02:11

rooms. And it's perfect for you.

1:02:11

And this is like, no do the

1:02:15

garden or whatever. And so her

1:02:15

brother comes over and he walks

1:02:19

in. He's like, I have been an

1:02:19

ass and I'm so sorry. Oh, like

1:02:23

he realizes what he did was

1:02:23

wrong. And he like they have

1:02:27

this moment. But again, see is

1:02:27

sowing more doubts. He's talking

1:02:30

about, like, I know, you have

1:02:30

this. She's your patron or

1:02:33

whatever. But I just want you to know, I want to make sure you're safe. You're protected. Because

1:02:35

sometimes when patrons like they

1:02:37

want certain things, you can't

1:02:37

say no, like, I want to make

1:02:40

sure you are in control of you.

1:02:40

And like all this stuff like he,

1:02:44

he means well, it does not do

1:02:44

good things for Lucy. So she

1:02:47

started to feel like she's

1:02:47

essentially and can't be her own

1:02:52

person and is very much indebted

1:02:52

and like, feels like she's

1:02:55

starting to like have this whole

1:02:55

like, do I love Katherine or is

1:02:59

she going to do everything she

1:02:59

can to keep me and am I like a

1:03:01

trapped bird kind of thing. Like

1:03:01

it's it's this Yeah. Doubts, so

1:03:05

many doubts. So she also a

1:03:05

little bit later, it gets a

1:03:09

letter from Chris. And Catherine

1:03:09

sees this letter. Oh, she's

1:03:15

screaming. And Catherine has

1:03:15

this moment of like, I shouldn't

1:03:20

open it.

1:03:22

And then opens it reads

1:03:23

starts reading and it's

1:03:23

just a very innocuous like, Oh,

1:03:26

I'm in town like we should see

1:03:26

each other like, you know, it'd

1:03:30

be so nice to catch up. And

1:03:30

Catherine is like Lucy comes

1:03:33

home and Catherine's like, I'm

1:03:33

so sorry. I I was screening your

1:03:38

male she's like, but it was open

1:03:38

and you read it, didn't you? And

1:03:40

she's like, yes. And like Lucy's

1:03:40

mad, obviously. But she reads it

1:03:44

and Lucy flies off the handle.

1:03:44

Because loot Priscilla and press

1:03:51

and Lucy used to writing code

1:03:51

because Chris's parents would

1:03:55

read all of Chris's letters. So

1:03:55

what the letter is actually

1:03:58

saying is I still love. Oh, no.

1:03:58

Oh, yeah. bad, huh? Yeah, so

1:04:06

Lucy is rightly livid. And she's

1:04:06

like, i i And Kevin's like, are

1:04:13

you going to go see her? She's like, Yes, I have to and Catherine at this point is like

1:04:14

devastated. Like Catherine. This

1:04:17

is like the culmination of

1:04:17

Catherine's all of the self

1:04:19

doubt all of this like, she's

1:04:19

gonna Well, it was good while it

1:04:22

lasted but she's gonna leave

1:04:22

like, you know, she's this woman

1:04:26

still loves her kind of thing.

1:04:26

And she's like, well, I don't

1:04:29

want her in my house. And Lucy's

1:04:29

like the conversation that I

1:04:33

need to have would be best done

1:04:33

in private. And she's like,

1:04:37

Okay, well then I will get out

1:04:37

of the house while this happens.

1:04:40

And it's very much her like kind

1:04:40

of like making concessions to

1:04:44

like okay, well, it's over but

1:04:44

I'm gonna just make this as easy

1:04:47

as possible. So she from part of

1:04:47

a side plot that like Lucy has

1:04:54

been helping her kind of gain

1:04:54

her feet as an artist and like

1:04:56

realize she is an artist. She is

1:04:56

going to the same publisher

1:04:59

because she is is going to

1:04:59

create this book of like

1:05:01

patterns, essentially. So she is

1:05:01

doing her own projects and like

1:05:04

coming up with her own things to

1:05:04

do and kind of becoming her own

1:05:07

person, which is nice. But she

1:05:07

So Lucy meets with Paris and

1:05:12

Paris is a bitch. She's just

1:05:12

like, well, but I know you

1:05:18

missed me. And now I'm more

1:05:18

established. So we can have this

1:05:22

little fling and Lucy's like,

1:05:22

no, no, you're an asshole to me.

1:05:28

You can't have your cake and eat

1:05:28

it to impress is like super into

1:05:32

like, but well, but I know you

1:05:32

want it come here. She's like,

1:05:37

like, Prince is a major as well.

1:05:37

And so she like kicks press out

1:05:41

of the home. And it's like, no,

1:05:41

this is not happening. This is

1:05:44

not okay. And it's like, this is

1:05:44

bullshit. It's kind of it's

1:05:49

hilarious. She's like, goes to

1:05:49

like, the Butler has been like

1:05:52

giving Lucy's side i because he

1:05:52

also kind of thinks that he's,

1:05:55

she's going to, like, hurt

1:05:55

Catherine's like feelings. And

1:05:59

so she like is going off at

1:05:59

press about I do not love you

1:06:02

anymore. You do not I am not you

1:06:02

are not entitled to me. I am

1:06:06

entitled to make my own

1:06:06

decisions and all this stuff.

1:06:08

And she goes to open the door to

1:06:08

call for the butler and he just

1:06:11

standing there with her bonnet.

1:06:11

She's like, it isn't Yeah, your

1:06:19

household is conspiring to like,

1:06:19

No kiss to just do it great. Um,

1:06:27

and so Catherine comes home. And

1:06:27

Lucy obviously is like super,

1:06:31

like emotionally just ravaged by

1:06:31

this, like, this was a huge

1:06:33

thing. And they kind of have a

1:06:33

little bit of blowout at this

1:06:38

point. Because like, Catherine

1:06:38

comes home, she wasn't expecting

1:06:41

Lucy to be there. And so she is

1:06:41

and Lucy finally comes out with

1:06:46

like, I don't want to be

1:06:46

beholden to you. Like, I'm so

1:06:52

tired of like having someone

1:06:52

expect me to be there's like

1:06:56

that kind of thing. And like it

1:06:56

kind of blows up. And so

1:06:59

Katherine in I think a

1:06:59

justifiable move is like, Okay,

1:07:02

well, then you need to move out.

1:07:02

Because she's trying to protect

1:07:05

herself, right? Because she

1:07:05

still thinks that Lucy doesn't

1:07:08

want to stay with her. Yeah, and

1:07:08

Lucy really just wants to stay

1:07:13

with some. So it's like, so

1:07:13

she's like, Okay, I will go find

1:07:18

an apartment by the university.

1:07:18

And she goes to search for an

1:07:22

apartment. And she heads to the

1:07:22

university. While she's at the

1:07:26

university, she is strict

1:07:26

getting weird looks from people

1:07:30

not like the normal like, Oh,

1:07:30

it's a woman kind of looks but

1:07:33

like, outright vindictive, looks

1:07:33

like people are mad at her. And

1:07:39

so she finally goes in to some

1:07:39

like the guy who like she knows

1:07:43

and is friends with and he's

1:07:43

like, Oh, you haven't seen it.

1:07:46

And shows her a publication from

1:07:46

the polite Science Society,

1:07:50

namely from the father of the

1:07:50

rich kid that got into do this

1:07:54

translation is fucking it up

1:07:54

because he's rich. Employing

1:07:59

heavily that none of Lucy's work

1:07:59

is Lucy's, it was her father's

1:08:03

she just published it. Which ruins her reputation.

1:08:06

Because this is like the society

1:08:10

like a fellow of the society

1:08:10

like this. ruins her. And so she

1:08:16

like yeat. She runs. She's like,

1:08:16

I can't handle that. I can't do

1:08:19

this. And she's running away. And her another one of her friends, the guy who was on the

1:08:21

translation, but left, like who

1:08:25

couldn't put up with it. Yeah,

1:08:25

he finds her. And he's like, I

1:08:28

have maybe a little bit of more

1:08:28

bad news. I wrote to Hola, Ron,

1:08:33

and told them about your book.

1:08:33

And Lucy's like you did what?

1:08:37

And he's like, I had to, you're

1:08:37

making a lot of money off of

1:08:41

this. And it's not entirely

1:08:41

yours. Like, this is kind of

1:08:44

plagiarist. She's like, Oh, my

1:08:44

God, you're right. God damn. And

1:08:49

he's like, but, but I invited

1:08:49

them to this big society dinner

1:08:54

that happens every year in like,

1:08:54

a week, a month and a half. And

1:08:58

she's like you did white? He's

1:08:58

like, Yeah, you have to show up.

1:09:01

You guys are gonna have to,

1:09:01

like, debate science together.

1:09:06

To make sure that people know

1:09:06

that this is your book, you know

1:09:09

that right? And she's like, I

1:09:09

haven't read half of what this

1:09:12

person has wrote. Oh, my God,

1:09:12

I'm gonna have to be studying

1:09:15

constantly for the next like,

1:09:15

six weeks straight. I can't get

1:09:20

an apartment. I need I need a

1:09:20

library. I need Catherine's

1:09:23

library. I really hope it's not

1:09:23

going to be awkward. I have to

1:09:27

panic. So she had goes back to

1:09:27

Catherine's like, I'm so sorry.

1:09:34

But I have to stay here. I have

1:09:34

to do this and Catherine's like,

1:09:39

Okay. What is happened? Neither

1:09:39

of them know what's happening at

1:09:45

this point. So middle of the

1:09:45

night Catherine has woken up

1:09:50

because she just hears thump,

1:09:50

thump. Thump. So she puts on a

1:09:56

dressing gown goes down to the

1:09:56

library, and Lucy He is up on a

1:10:00

ladder at the very top of one of

1:10:00

the stacks just dropping books

1:10:05

onto the ground.

1:10:08

Experiment and gravity.

1:10:11

Catherine's like, what

1:10:11

are you doing? And Lucy is like

1:10:17

those lying cheating bastards.

1:10:17

They told me that women weren't

1:10:23

fellows. They told me women

1:10:23

didn't publish science, this.

1:10:26

And she's pulling out all of the

1:10:26

publications from years of

1:10:32

polite Science Society, like

1:10:32

works. And there are so many

1:10:37

women in the past that have

1:10:37

published because remember, in

1:10:42

Kelmarsh, this time, it was so

1:10:42

much more accepted for women to

1:10:46

be together. And for women to do

1:10:46

science and stuff. And then all

1:10:50

of a sudden Victorian ideals

1:10:50

kind of took over and it all got

1:10:53

clamped down. So there's all

1:10:53

these women that had like were

1:10:56

published in the society that no

1:10:56

one just ever mentions. And

1:11:00

she's like, and she's going off

1:11:00

the handle by like, I the reason

1:11:04

sure I injured all of this

1:11:04

bullshit of people like laughing

1:11:07

at me and talking by my back

1:11:07

because I thought I was the only

1:11:10

one and I thought I was the

1:11:10

first one doing it. And I

1:11:12

thought that, well, yeah, this

1:11:12

sucks, but maybe I'm paving the

1:11:17

way. Maybe other people will

1:11:17

join me when in reality, I was

1:11:21

part of all women like she, it's

1:11:21

like this, like I'm empowered.

1:11:25

But also I feel cheated like

1:11:25

this, like kind of thing. Apps,

1:11:29

right. And so like, she's kind

1:11:29

of going off. And at one point

1:11:33

like Catherine's like, she's

1:11:33

like, I just, I just want to be

1:11:37

part of something. And Kevin's

1:11:37

like, you could be part of us

1:11:48

and they have sex on the library

1:11:48

floor.

1:11:53

Oh my God dreams.

1:11:55

Dreams are made. It's

1:11:55

It's so good. It's so good. Oh,

1:12:00

my God, y'all. Um, and so they

1:12:00

totally they are back in it,

1:12:05

baby. They're back together.

1:12:05

They're both supporting each

1:12:08

other. And basically, Catherine

1:12:08

is just like doing everything

1:12:12

she can to be like, you need

1:12:12

some tea. Are you going to be up

1:12:15

late again tonight? What can I

1:12:15

do to help you I know, I can't

1:12:17

read things for you. But you

1:12:17

just you keep going. And so she

1:12:21

sneaks away in her project. It's

1:12:21

kind of like, I didn't actually

1:12:25

put this together until just now

1:12:25

it's kind of like the first time

1:12:31

they're together. In that Lucy's

1:12:31

doing all this work. And

1:12:36

Katherine kind of like, sneaks

1:12:36

off. And what she does is she

1:12:38

starts making a list of all of

1:12:38

these women that have published

1:12:41

from these books, and search

1:12:41

writing to them to find okay, do

1:12:45

they still live there? Are they

1:12:45

alive? Like can I tell? Are they

1:12:47

still working? What can we do

1:12:47

like let's let's create this

1:12:50

collective and starts reaching

1:12:50

out to people which is awesome.

1:12:55

Come to share first,

1:12:55

like females cinnamon roll

1:12:58

because they're both just

1:12:58

cinnamon rolls. And I love

1:13:01

this. So let's roll

1:13:01

around to the big day, the day

1:13:06

of the dinner, where m Ola Ron

1:13:06

is going to show up and I should

1:13:11

mention has been inducted as a

1:13:11

foreign fellow. So a fellow in

1:13:16

the society from another country

1:13:16

right from France. And this

1:13:21

third time this like, wholesome

1:13:21

dude that our boy that we like,

1:13:25

kind of has hinted like maybe

1:13:25

like, I have suspicions, but I'm

1:13:28

not sure. And she's like, Well,

1:13:28

what do you what are you talking

1:13:30

about? And I will say, so the

1:13:30

show up at the society. And our

1:13:35

friend introduces Lucy and

1:13:35

Catherine, please meet Madame

1:13:40

Ola. Ron, who is a dark skinned

1:13:40

woman. Oh, that wrote this book.

1:13:51

And the society has already

1:13:51

instated her as a fellow and

1:13:56

none of them know.

1:13:58

But yes, do

1:13:59

you want your justice to

1:13:59

be because it's about to be real

1:14:02

big. Oh,

1:14:06

my justice bonus.

1:14:10

So they go into this

1:14:10

dinner, and Lucy specifically

1:14:14

doesn't go to receipt. Because

1:14:14

she's like, I gotta see this

1:14:17

dude's reaction. And she just

1:14:17

stands there and watches as he's

1:14:21

introduced to this woman who has

1:14:21

both dark skin darker like

1:14:25

complexion is how she's

1:14:25

described. And a woman and you

1:14:29

see his uncle white white as a

1:14:29

sheet, but he can't do anything.

1:14:37

It's already been done. So he's

1:14:37

forced to a dinner like she is

1:14:44

forced to like sit next to the

1:14:44

rich asshole that like

1:14:47

essentially cast her in doubt,

1:14:47

Lucien doubt, and they have this

1:14:50

conversation and like she is

1:14:50

like, he's like, Yeah, you know,

1:14:53

women and like imposters and all

1:14:53

this stuff. It's just like,

1:14:56

Yeah, and he's like, how does it

1:14:56

feel to be the only person to be

1:14:58

doubted and like the Like, like,

1:14:58

called out and like, you know an

1:15:02

imposter in this society. And

1:15:02

she's like, oh, oh, but I

1:15:05

wasn't. And so it's because

1:15:05

she's read all of the previous

1:15:07

publications from the Science

1:15:07

Society and she's like, Oh, this

1:15:10

man, plagiarize this, this and

1:15:10

this Oh, and this guy, he did

1:15:13

this as this, it just starts

1:15:13

pulling out shit. And so really

1:15:18

they are this do the main the

1:15:18

head of the society has to

1:15:22

introduce Madame Ola on to the

1:15:22

society. And everyone's like

1:15:30

what? Yes and and I believe that

1:15:30

Lucy, we were going to have some

1:15:37

conversations about about your

1:15:37

book. And this whole thing has

1:15:41

been like, loose you realize

1:15:41

that she's done something wrong.

1:15:44

And there's this heavy emphasis

1:15:44

on like, there, our boy was

1:15:47

like, Hey, are you I think we

1:15:47

can make this work. Are you able

1:15:51

to admit that you're wrong and

1:15:51

loose? He's like, Well, my

1:15:55

father always said that

1:15:55

astronomers spend most of their

1:15:58

time being wrong, and I agree

1:15:58

with him. So I can admit that

1:16:02

I'm wrong. And I'm willing to

1:16:02

own up to the fact that I didn't

1:16:05

plagiarize. I didn't necessarily

1:16:05

plagiarize. Yeah, like I

1:16:08

launched off of someone's work.

1:16:08

I did not give them credit. I'm

1:16:10

willing to say that and Madonna

1:16:10

loron is like, Okay, well, I

1:16:13

have a lot of other books do you

1:16:13

want to translate those as long

1:16:16

as we work together? But so they

1:16:16

still have to get up and debate

1:16:22

in front of everything. So they

1:16:22

stand up and everyone is like,

1:16:25

all the like, dudes are still

1:16:25

ready for her to just be tear

1:16:28

torn to shreds. And Madame

1:16:28

Aleron starts asking why did you

1:16:32

write this book? Why did you

1:16:32

like expand on my text? And

1:16:35

she's like, Oh, well, um, I

1:16:35

wanted to make it accessible to

1:16:40

everybody like and go like, is

1:16:40

able to like justify why she did

1:16:43

this. And she's like, I'm not

1:16:43

like ask her questions that like

1:16:47

Lucy's able to kind of go off on

1:16:47

this thing of like, everyone

1:16:50

should be able to do this

1:16:50

because science is built on

1:16:53

other people. Like we are all

1:16:53

building on one another.

1:16:56

Honestly, my science heart just

1:16:56

like, bro, oh my god. And she's

1:17:01

like, okay, well what if I told

1:17:01

you that I did find a mistake

1:17:05

when I was reviewing your book

1:17:05

and she's like, Oh, well, I I'm

1:17:10

so sorry. If I did like if you

1:17:10

accept a revision I will

1:17:12

absolutely print one like all

1:17:12

this. Yes. I found that when I

1:17:16

was writing my version of the

1:17:16

book I made this error and you

1:17:19

actually fixed it in your

1:17:19

translation so I'm gonna need to

1:17:21

make just loses its ma Oh, and

1:17:21

Catherine's back just cracking

1:17:31

up good. So it goes off

1:17:31

amazingly like Lucy is obviously

1:17:41

still not her in our boy are not

1:17:41

still are still not fellows in

1:17:44

the society, but like, their,

1:17:44

that's their next goal. They're

1:17:47

like, Oh, we can do this. If you

1:17:47

get in first you support me if I

1:17:49

get in first. I'll support you.

1:17:49

Like, they make a pact. And it

1:17:53

all goes so and it's wonderful.

1:17:53

And unit finding out that the

1:17:57

head of the society, his sister

1:17:57

was published in the society and

1:18:00

he like, yeah, yeah. But he sees

1:18:00

the error of his ways. He it's

1:18:08

very misguided and like, Well, I

1:18:08

knew that people were going to

1:18:10

like put her under more

1:18:10

scrutiny. So I dissuaded her. So

1:18:14

to protect her and Lucy's like,

1:18:14

to She asked you to do that.

1:18:18

Well, no, but then why did you

1:18:18

do it? And like he like, oh,

1:18:24

because like, just so good to

1:18:24

back at Catholic they, so

1:18:35

they're like, talking about

1:18:35

stuff and Catherines? Like,

1:18:39

look, I know that you have work

1:18:39

now like work that is pay you're

1:18:43

being paid for like this is you

1:18:43

have a career essentially that

1:18:46

you don't you know, I have a

1:18:46

proposition for you. And looses

1:18:51

like, Okay, what? Well, you

1:18:51

know, those women that were

1:18:58

published? Well, while you were

1:18:58

studying, I know you were kind

1:19:01

of single minded on that. I

1:19:01

know, a lot of responses. A lot

1:19:04

of them wrote children's books,

1:19:04

a lot of them are still

1:19:06

studying. A lot of them did all

1:19:06

this stuff. And Lucy's just like

1:19:09

mind blown like you did what?

1:19:09

Yeah, I got a lot of responses.

1:19:13

Um, and it's really a shame that

1:19:13

there's no avenue for these

1:19:17

women to be able to publish,

1:19:17

like you were able to publish

1:19:20

your book. What if maybe, we

1:19:20

pool both of our money because

1:19:27

you're now a woman if means, and

1:19:27

create a fund. Now, it's going

1:19:31

to take a lot of time, we'll

1:19:31

have to work together quite

1:19:34

often in order to get all of

1:19:34

this, you know, up and running

1:19:37

and get all the logistics going.

1:19:37

And, of course, it's going to

1:19:40

bind us together legally,

1:19:40

publicly, financially, probably

1:19:46

forever. But

1:19:49

anything I'm familiar with.

1:19:52

It's like this close to

1:19:52

marriage, just making good it's

1:19:57

just like, good stuff. I want to

1:19:57

read this book and

1:20:12

it was so good, right? Can we

1:20:12

just take a hot minute to

1:20:16

appreciate making the best out

1:20:16

of a situation as far as

1:20:20

Victorian England and not being

1:20:20

able to do that, like, publicly

1:20:24

and also, just the massive fuck

1:20:24

you to the patriarchy that is

1:20:31

yes. God as the fact

1:20:33

that it wasn't even

1:20:33

just like, I'm going to make my

1:20:38

name known and I'm going to get

1:20:38

justice for myself. It was all

1:20:41

those women and then the the

1:20:41

French author. Oh, I just I'm so

1:20:45

happy. We

1:20:46

understand that this is

1:20:46

not its historical fiction,

1:20:51

we'll say, but it was real good

1:20:51

historical fiction. Oh my god.

1:20:59

Yeah.

1:21:00

Thank you for bringing

1:21:00

that into our lives. I

1:21:03

really want to read the

1:21:03

other ones now. It was so good.

1:21:08

I may have, you know,

1:21:08

downloaded it to Kindle. About

1:21:14

halfway through. It's fine.

1:21:17

Oh, my God, no, this one

1:21:17

I I am so glad that we kicked

1:21:20

off pride with a fantastic book.

1:21:20

This one was like, and what's

1:21:26

the cover? I feel like it's

1:21:26

another one of those things like

1:21:28

the the one Victorian, like gay

1:21:28

romance novel that we did that

1:21:31

same kind of thing where the

1:21:31

cover is like, okay, it's like,

1:21:34

two dudes or two chicks or

1:21:34

whatever that are definitely

1:21:37

about to get it on. This is

1:21:37

going to be awful. And then you

1:21:40

read it. And you're like, Y'all,

1:21:40

I'm not ready for this. I was

1:21:43

not prepared.

1:21:44

Right? That was a good

1:21:44

one is so shoot, it makes me

1:21:49

like, rethink all the books I've

1:21:49

read lately. Like, I wasn't, I

1:21:54

was wasting my time,

1:21:55

considering what our

1:21:55

last couple books have been. So

1:21:58

I was very, very pleasantly

1:21:58

surprised with this one. And I

1:22:01

mean, honestly, how would the

1:22:01

name like the latest guide to

1:22:04

celestial mechanics? How could

1:22:04

you not? It's such a good name.

1:22:09

Alright, let's get into some

1:22:09

ratings. Um, yeah, so um, you

1:22:16

know, good, give it 10s I really

1:22:16

liked it.

1:22:21

I was about to say

1:22:21

like, this is just a formality.

1:22:24

At this point. We know.

1:22:26

Lucy, Lucy and Catherine

1:22:26

both have really, really well

1:22:30

established backstories. And

1:22:30

like I really and there's, it

1:22:35

makes sense that they like they

1:22:35

lift each other up. They very

1:22:38

much both of them are greater

1:22:38

than the sum of their parts,

1:22:41

which is like what you want in a

1:22:41

relationship, right like that

1:22:43

you should like support each

1:22:43

other and they do a really good

1:22:46

job of that. I feel like the

1:22:46

miscommunication was really

1:22:49

understandable. And they did a

1:22:49

good job of making it feel real.

1:22:53

Not like one of those. I swear

1:22:53

it's not what it looks like.

1:22:56

It's definitely Yeah, looks like

1:22:56

and storms off and that kind of

1:23:00

dumb. It's not one of those it

1:23:00

made sense. plotline. I mean,

1:23:05

sure. It's self serving, but

1:23:05

fuck the patriarchy. And

1:23:11

science. I loved it. Um, so

1:23:11

1010 10 Sex was pretty good. Not

1:23:18

gonna lie. Yes, I was. I've

1:23:18

never really read like written

1:23:23

out like lesbian sex before. And

1:23:23

I was reading it and I was like,

1:23:28

no good to know. I am actually

1:23:28

bisexual. Yeah, I'm into this

1:23:34

that ever doubted, but you know.

1:23:36

Yeah, absolutely. Real good.

1:23:38

And I consent also. Oh,

1:23:38

my God, that consent? Nah. Um,

1:23:44

what else do we got? Plot was

1:23:44

good. Sex was good. They were

1:23:49

good. Overall, good. I think

1:23:49

that's all of it. Yeah, 1010,

1:23:54

baby. It was so good.

1:23:57

I can't wait to read

1:23:57

it. Even knowing how it turns

1:24:00

out. I'm going to enjoy the

1:24:03

Yes, fantastic. Yeah,

1:24:03

this was the happiest start to

1:24:06

pride. I think we could have

1:24:06

done Happy Pride, everybody.

1:24:12

Thank you guys so much for

1:24:12

hanging out. I appreciate it.

1:24:16

No problem. Thank you

1:24:16

for having us, honey. Um,

1:24:19

I think that's I don't

1:24:19

think we got it. Hey, y'all

1:24:22

enjoy your pride. No matter what

1:24:22

you are. She he they not decided

1:24:28

everything. If you're

1:24:28

everything. I love you.

1:24:33

Right. If you're

1:24:33

everything Hey, I'm so into that

1:24:38

I'm married. Gotta keep

1:24:38

reminding myself that

1:24:41

window shopping. It's

1:24:41

important. Yes. And yeah, you

1:24:45

everyone you do you just That's

1:24:45

my pride slogan. Here do you

1:24:50

everyone do you? That's fine.

1:24:50

Oh, thank you ala near you. Do

1:24:56

you see your song a love of the

1:24:56

album be held? Boom. It's a Bob

1:24:59

I love All right. Oh, y'all want

1:24:59

to pull your pluggable one more

1:25:03

time? Absolutely. Rebecca

1:25:06

volunteered again. For

1:25:06

the ladies of strange. We're on

1:25:11

Instagram, Twitter, and I should

1:25:11

probably start with both the

1:25:16

podcast portion of that, huh?

1:25:16

Yeah, we're available

1:25:21

just booking. Our podcast. Podcasts are available wherever

1:25:24

you listen to podcasts. Look us

1:25:28

up. We have fun. We even have a

1:25:28

at least one episode with your

1:25:31

other favorite co hosts. Oh, hi

1:25:31

guys. I adopted everybody.

1:25:36

Rachel and Margie did join us

1:25:36

during one episode. Oh, it

1:25:40

was so much fun. We talked about

1:25:40

space we did.

1:25:42

Great throughlines I'm

1:25:42

also both of us have discords so

1:25:46

like, check that out. Do it's

1:25:46

nice. Yeah. Well, I could we

1:25:49

talk about books and stuff. And

1:25:49

y'all talk about science and

1:25:52

memes and complimenting Tiffany

1:25:52

and it's awesome. You love it.

1:25:57

So good. Um, wow. I feel like I

1:25:57

feel like that was the fastest

1:26:01

outro I've ever done.

1:26:04

We I mean, you know,

1:26:04

because you're ready to get to

1:26:07

the good stuff.

1:26:09

Hey, let's get to the

1:26:09

good stuff. Bye, everybody.