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Alright. Where we going? Where are we

0:02

going? What are we doing? What are we doing? Let's see. Oh,

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great. Hey, you and welcome. My

0:06

name is Mike. And in this all part, cash.

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My friends, I've got for you to to

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two stories about plots and

0:14

about husbands. know, if it's a pretty common

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one, righty, the husband did it. They

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did it. They do be doing it. They always

0:20

do be doing it. But from these stories

0:22

I have you, they're a little they're

0:24

probably a little wilder than you may

0:27

be should be expecting a little

0:29

more crazy than than the usual husband's

0:32

kills wife or whatever. The

0:34

first story takes us to Texas.

0:37

The second to New Jersey to

0:39

talk about to talk about a radio jockey

0:41

who was having some troubles of

0:43

Mike. I guess

0:46

you could say they soon became

0:48

on Mike in a series of strange

0:50

and ludicrous events. Like

0:52

me, starting a podcast. That's that's a ludicrous

0:54

event. I mean, leaving all your eggs in a

0:56

YouTube basket is kind of a bad idea.

0:59

And you know what else is a bad idea? Leaving

1:01

all your eggs in a meth gang's basket.

1:04

That that too, surprisingly, it's

1:07

about it. Nancy and

1:09

Frank, they'd been married for almost thirty

1:12

years by the time twenty twelve

1:14

rolled around. Well,

1:16

Frank soon got the old wink

1:18

wink from another woman. Then

1:20

he misappropriated some funds

1:23

quite a bit, but you're just resting in

1:25

his account, of course. And then

1:27

he hired a bunch of, well,

1:30

just plain idiots.

1:33

For the job he hired, the trailer

1:35

park boys, to try and do a little

1:37

job for him. It went to bed as well as you can

1:39

imagine. Now, this is a very twisting

1:42

tale. It's like something directly out of a cone, Brothers

1:44

movie, Think Think Bargo times ten.

1:47

So let's give it a view. Now

2:00

let's start with the Howard's. Frank

2:02

Howard, he was the son of a preacher

2:04

man who grew up in South Central

2:06

Texas. He'd been married for a short

2:09

time in college, but when that didn't work

2:11

out, he married Nancy Shore, whom

2:13

he met in a church. They married

2:16

in nineteen eighty three, and in nineteen

2:18

eighty five, their first daughter arrived.

2:20

The young family would move to Carrollton

2:23

where they would have two more children.

2:25

This was even a close knit happy old

2:27

family very religious, always

2:29

singing in the Baptist Square. See what all

2:31

the community is stuff people always go on about.

2:34

And so life kind of just occurred.

2:37

The children grew. Frank, he made the

2:39

family bread as an accountant. He was

2:41

partner of a small firm and he had over

2:44

five hundred clients. As

2:47

the late 2000s arrived, the children

2:49

they were all grown up more or less.

2:52

The two elders were married, the youngest

2:54

was in college, However, as soon as

2:56

it looked like Frank and Nancy might, you

2:58

know, have finally some some more

3:00

time for each other, Frank, he

3:02

took on a new client. Now

3:05

now this new client was a wealthy

3:08

businessman who absolutely raked

3:10

in the money on the on department

3:12

of defense contracts, supplying

3:15

ice to ice. Yeah. I mean,

3:17

that's what they needed

3:18

to. It's right out over there. Two military bases

3:20

in Iraq. I

3:22

mean, it really does strike me as a very strange

3:26

thing to make your fortune on.

3:28

I mean, as well as someone has to do it. Just

3:31

kind of odd. But okay. So

3:34

this client needed Frank a lot.

3:36

And so Frank and Nancy even though

3:38

you know their children role grown,

3:40

they began to have, you know, less time for each

3:42

other, unfortunately. Frank,

3:44

he was set up with a new office space he was

3:47

flying in on private jets. Like this

3:49

new client was vacant vacant very

3:51

good gear of his accountants. In

3:54

fact, Frank would eventually become

3:56

CFO, chief financial officer

3:58

of this war ice

4:01

business. Frank, you would travel around

4:03

the world all the time sending

4:06

ice to military bases, Nazi,

4:09

she was sitting at home. And

4:11

it was while Frank was in California in

4:13

two thousand and nine that he met Susan

4:16

Loyontif, a dental hygienist. Why

4:18

is it always dental hygienist, this is really good.

4:20

And over the following few days, they

4:22

really just absolutely hit it off.

4:25

She herself was in the process of getting

4:27

a divorce. While Frank told her,

4:29

whoa, what are the odds? Suddenly

4:32

takes wedding ring off. Me too.

4:34

This affair would continue over the months

4:37

and the years that followed. Frank,

4:39

he would take her on trips. To the

4:41

Super Bowl, he would pay almost one

4:43

million dollars for a house for her in

4:45

Santa Cruz who would send her money, lots

4:47

of money, lots of money. Over

4:50

seven hundred thousand dollars, he

4:52

would fly on the private jet to see her.

4:54

And pay for her flights and accommodation

4:56

when she would come to Dallas. They

4:59

were in love. And Frank, he would come

5:01

clean and he'd say, well, here, listen, I'm not actually

5:04

divorced but, you know, I'm separated.

5:06

I'm all yours. And so,

5:08

you know, Frank and Suzanne, they would

5:10

fight here. Why hadn't he gotten a divorce?

5:14

When do she she was making him miserable,

5:16

which was or Frank was saying too, she's not, oh,

5:18

yeah. Of course. I'm so unhappy in my marriage.

5:21

That's a that's a free that's like getting out of

5:23

jail free card of why it's okay to cheat

5:25

really. That's all you need to know. And he would

5:27

say, you know, he would say it's it's I haven't

5:29

divorced I haven't divorced Nancy

5:32

because it's just a bad time. So always a bad

5:34

time. Kids graduation. You know, the kids are

5:36

getting married. Oh, I can't divorce when my kids

5:38

are getting married. That would ruin it.

5:40

That would ruin us, you know. Nancy's sick. I

5:42

can't divorce her now. She's unwell. There's always

5:44

some fucking bullshit reason because

5:46

he just wanted his cake He wanted

5:48

this cake and he wanted to eat it too, which again

5:50

is such a weird saying to me. I mean, if you want if you

5:52

have a slice of cake, you're gonna wanna eat it. I would

5:54

like my cake and to eat it too. What's point having

5:56

a cake otherwise? Alright? And of

5:59

course, you guessed, you know, his desire wink

6:01

wink, kind of semi desire to divorce

6:03

Nancy, that would be a huge

6:06

surprise to Nancy. Happily

6:08

she had no idea of that her husband had

6:10

essentially this new partner that who's

6:13

spending millions on for her house

6:15

and Santa Cruz and giving her money and go to the

6:17

Super Bowl all this kind of shit, Nancy had no

6:19

idea. She just thought her husband was busy with work

6:21

all the time. So that was a surprise to

6:23

her. What would be an even bigger surprise

6:25

to Nancy? Was what happened on August

6:27

eighteen, twenty twelve. After

6:30

leaving the first Baptist Church in

6:32

Carrollton, Ahmed, half seven PM.

6:36

On a on a dirtier all day, it was raining,

6:38

Nancy SoftBied to to get some food.

6:41

She knew about as much about what Frank was

6:43

up to as she did about the

6:45

car that was following her, meaning,

6:48

sweet football. As she

6:50

pulled into her driveway, the car

6:53

was close behind her. She

6:55

got out carrying her purse and the

6:57

food. And as she did, someone

6:59

grabbed her by the neck and pointed

7:02

Agun at her head demanding

7:04

her purse. She had never seen

7:07

the sky before seemed to be in his twenties.

7:09

And after she gave him what he wanted,

7:12

he shot her in the head. This

7:15

guy ran and Nancy was left

7:17

bleeding out on the garage floor.

7:24

Now Carrollton, just on the outskirts of Dallas.

7:26

It's a it's a nice place. It has a population

7:28

of about a hundred and thirty thousand people.

7:30

A safe place, not much violent crime.

7:33

But just to the east, just

7:35

to the east of Carrollton, fuck

7:37

quite the same. Party, drugs,

7:40

meth, And that's where

7:42

we're now going. That's where we're gonna meet

7:44

some people. Quite few quite a few

7:46

people actually. Each

7:49

one kind of dumber

7:51

than the last. Billy

7:54

Earl Johnson had been in and

7:56

out of prison quite a bit. He was

7:58

in his late forties and he loved bikes

8:00

almost as much as he loved meth.

8:02

He got out of prison in February two thousand

8:04

and nine. And he went home to Ben

8:07

Wheeler, East Texas. In

8:09

the summer of that year, he had a new girlfriend,

8:12

Stacey Seranko, and he

8:14

was just lasing about, you know, fresh out of

8:16

jail, he got a call. A

8:19

man on the line introduced himself

8:21

as John. And said he'd heard

8:23

of Billy Earl Johnson and thought he

8:25

might be able to help him out. Help

8:28

him out by killing John's wife.

8:32

Billy said, well, hey, I'm just out

8:34

of prison. I could use some money. Why

8:37

not? So Billy went

8:39

on met this John where

8:41

John gave Billy a brown

8:43

envelope with sixty thousand

8:46

dollars in it along with a

8:48

photo of Nancy.

8:51

Make it look like an accident, this John

8:54

said. Billy, say, yeah. Yeah.

8:56

Sure boss, of course. And

8:58

then he did a swift turnaround. He went back

9:00

to Ben Wheeler, sixty grand.

9:03

The richer and he started living the high

9:05

life. He was generous. He paid for drinks

9:07

of the Paris. He paid he paid for dinners.

9:09

He paid for drugs. He would say

9:11

the days after he got this sixty run from

9:13

this John or a villar of

9:15

shopping on meth fueled by an sweet.

9:19

This led to Billy getting arrested and

9:22

the rest of the money, there

9:24

wasn't much left of that sixty grand John had

9:26

given them, given them, but whatever was left

9:29

was confiscated. When Billy got

9:31

out of jail a couple of days later, he called

9:33

this John this John guy again

9:35

saying he needed more money.

9:38

And so Billy and his girlfriend Stacy,

9:40

they once again met with John,

9:43

where Stacy secretly photographed

9:45

John. And John gave Billy another

9:48

thirty five grand Stacey photographing

9:50

this John for, as you can

9:52

guess, blackmail reasons. So

9:55

John, now having given Billy ninety

9:57

five grand and his wife still

9:59

alive, I don't know what he was thinking

10:01

was gonna happen. And of course, Billy, what do you think

10:03

he did with the thirty five grand he had now? He did exactly

10:06

what he did with the thirty five grand he had done with the sixty

10:08

grand, which was piss it away.

10:10

I don't, like, I don't know what John was

10:12

expecting would happen when he gave

10:14

methheads quite a bit

10:16

of money. Like and without any kind

10:19

of I'll give you half nail. I'll give you half later.

10:21

Like, it was none of that. He was just paying

10:23

upfront. He deserves

10:25

this to happen to his money, to be quite honest.

10:28

And Billy had so much money he would,

10:30

to quote, him, wipe his ass

10:32

with it. He'd buy a Chevy Firebird.

10:35

He'd buy motorcycles. Motel rooms

10:37

around the party and boats. You name

10:39

it, which is quite a lot. He's he's making this three

10:41

five grand to go pretty far, he'd prefer. Billy

10:43

would hire a buddy guard. Named

10:46

Charlie louder man. Who later,

10:48

Billy would wish had been a quieter

10:50

man? Billy would continue to ask John

10:53

for more money every few months. And

10:55

when he always was seriously

10:57

disappearing, you know, on

11:00

meth, he would spend it as soon as

11:02

he would get it course, he would. He was burning

11:04

lot. He billionaire no intention of actually killing

11:06

anybody. He was just gonna take this

11:08

John, which is a very fitting fucking name

11:10

for as much money as he possibly could. Now

11:12

Billy and Charlie would eventually be

11:14

kind of forced to get on a conference

11:17

call with John. And John would

11:19

tell them to make it look like a burglary, and

11:21

there would be forty grand worth of jewelry

11:23

in the house to take. They

11:25

could set fire to place after to

11:27

cover their trucks. Or they could just

11:30

open fire on her while she was in a crowded

11:32

restaurant. Like like it's not seen in the guide, yeah, open

11:34

fire on her while she's in the middle of a crowded

11:36

restaurant. That will look like an accident. So

11:39

they would, yeah, they would kind of formulate these plans.

11:41

They would get everything together. And finally,

11:43

maybe when it looked like they were about to actually

11:45

do what John was paying them to do,

11:47

oh, gosh. John,

11:50

Johnboyce. Oh, man. Bobby,

11:53

things would just suddenly go

11:55

wrong. Being high all

11:57

the time, We'll do

11:59

that. They'll do that to you. And

12:01

as you can imagine, this John

12:03

was getting pissed off that his wife was

12:06

still alive. And this went

12:08

on for quite some for quite

12:10

some time, with John eventually working

12:13

over one million

12:15

dollars in cash and another

12:18

one million dollars in bail

12:20

bonds. Four in these absolute messed

12:22

up. Rejects. Right?

12:24

Living in the Ben Wheeler, Bon fuck taxes.

12:27

At one point when billions Stacy were arrested,

12:29

they enough meth on them to be charged with

12:31

felony, trafficking. And

12:34

when in jail, Stacey told an

12:36

FBI agent about the plot to murder,

12:38

Nancy, the one they hadn't carried

12:40

out yet. The FBI agent

12:43

did not believe

12:44

her, and John hosted Bond

12:46

once again as he always did.

12:49

Now in twenty eleven, right, word

12:51

began to spread about Billy's gold

12:53

mine he had going on. This guy he

12:55

was this whale he was taken for a

12:57

ride. And so Billy's nephew,

13:00

a guy named Michael

13:01

Speck, he moved he moved to getting

13:03

on that action. see

13:04

what?

13:06

While John was getting more and more frustrated,

13:08

remember this is twenty eleven, it started

13:10

in two thousand and nine, so going on

13:13

for two years, at this point, him paying them

13:15

a lot of money and them smoking it or

13:17

shooting it up or whatever. Billy,

13:19

he basically had an entire entourage, sucking

13:22

on the teeth of murder plot money.

13:24

John, he was there ATM. Whenever

13:26

they needed a few books, they'd go on

13:28

a you know, they they needed money to go on

13:30

another binge. Ring ring.

13:33

How are you, John? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You

13:35

know, we'll we'll do the whole murder thing

13:37

later, but now money. Money me.

13:39

Money time. Covered up. Covered up. COFIT

13:41

UP CHOPRIES. Reporter: IN MAY

13:44

twenty twelve AFTER ANOTHER

13:46

MEETING WITH JOHN, Billy and Stacy

13:48

THIS TIME accompanied by Stacey's

13:51

son Duston and Billy's nephew Michael.

13:53

John once again told them a plan where

13:55

they would get the one hundred thousand dollar

13:58

life insurance policy and five grand

14:00

a week for the rest of

14:02

their lives if they just friggin

14:05

went ahead and killed her. However,

14:07

unsurprisingly, Billy and Stacey were

14:10

arrested not long after once again.

14:12

But this time, John, after

14:15

three years apparently was how long

14:17

it took him to to to

14:19

to not do have had

14:20

enough. It took him three years. Can

14:22

you believe that? Like, Oh my god.

14:25

Hey. Hello?

14:28

Hey. What's going on, man? How

14:31

much, man. What's happening? Hey. can

14:33

get out of here, which will take about month

14:35

to get out of here, but I need some money. Well,

14:38

that's part of my problem. I'm still I'm still

14:41

cut off from everything I've got going

14:43

on. So because

14:46

Well, I mean, what what what happened Michael?

14:49

I gave him a bunch of money. Well, how much you

14:51

give him that?

14:52

I don't even know anymore. It's been so

14:54

long. You give me twenty? At

14:59

least.

15:00

See, III just wrote Stacy

15:02

letter and told her that he said he in

15:04

other words, he probably

15:07

Well, and that's what I'm saying is is that so, I mean,

15:09

it's that that that keeps happening. So I

15:11

guess so I got nothing left. That's

15:14

problem. I I gave him that to come

15:16

get you out that I hadn't seen or heard from

15:18

him. So yeah.

15:20

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. Where all that money

15:23

go? Because I know he's got it all. And he said he

15:25

said, he'd go take care he'd take care of everything.

15:27

And I have heard absolutely nothing from him saying.

15:29

So that's that's my problem. I get nothing

15:31

left. Yeah. I'll nothing No.

15:34

I gave him everything. Alright. Nothing you can

15:36

do. I got I gave him everything.

15:40

And so Stacey's son, Dustin,

15:42

and Billy's nephew Michael, they

15:44

took over. They began contacting

15:47

John for money, and they they were gonna

15:49

do it. They were gonna kill non you know, if

15:51

you just maybe just paid us first, much

15:53

like Billy and

15:54

Stacey, they smoked it

15:56

up. In December of

15:58

twenty twelve, Stacey's son, Dustin,

16:00

and a friend of his named Jason.

16:02

At Jason, by the way, who did not know about

16:04

the plot. They were aimed Carrollton

16:07

to go collect money from John,

16:09

money that John left behind a house

16:12

he owned. They were,

16:15

let's say, a little bust, and

16:17

they got lost in Nancy's neighborhood.

16:20

They were eventually pulled over by the cops.

16:22

At which point, Dustin let slip that

16:24

he was a hitman who'd been hired

16:27

to kill John's wife.

16:29

So how long have you been in Carrollton tonight?

16:32

We're trying to find out about about 234

16:36

hours Okay. The

16:40

reason I asked, because I saw you guys earlier.

16:42

And I see you again, and it's now in

16:44

We're doing circles and circles and circles.

16:47

You're visiting here because now I'm confused. You said uncle

16:49

and then you just said it was

16:50

Got it. Got it. Okay. We

16:52

all calling John. That was it.

16:54

So John's a friend of the

16:55

family. Yes. Basically. They were taken

16:58

in report files, but the police just

17:00

thought they were crazy methheads, and they were

17:02

released that same day. So that's

17:04

twice. The police, you know, heard

17:07

about the murder plot. I were just like, these are just

17:09

crazy messed up losers. Don't

17:11

listen to what they're saying. Nice.

17:14

And now Jason knew about

17:16

the murder plot. The

17:18

cast of characters in the story is its

17:21

intense. Jason had written

17:23

down John's phone number, and

17:25

Jason and his wife, Stephanie, They

17:28

began to now extort John,

17:30

you know, give us the money or we'll go to the police.

17:32

And they got thirty five thousand dollars

17:34

out of him. So John John

17:38

got extorted by Billy. He

17:40

then got extorted by Billy and Stacey.

17:42

He John then got extorted

17:45

by Stacey's son, Dustin, and

17:47

Billy's nephew, Michael. John

17:49

then got extorted by Jason,

17:52

Dustin's friend, and his

17:54

girlfriend, Stephanie. That's

17:56

six people who Oh,

17:58

oh, sorry. And then there was the bodyguard.

18:00

Chair Charlie Letterman. So

18:02

that's seven people who would call

18:05

John under regular demanding money.

18:07

It's honestly very funny and a little

18:09

bit impressive. So then John, you know,

18:11

now being extortion by another two people.

18:13

He's he he then began calling them McMe like,

18:15

hey, listen. Fuck. Would would you guys

18:18

with somebody, please, would you guys kill my

18:20

wife? Don't mind if you're ignoring me, just somebody

18:22

do it. At this time, John

18:24

was still in contact with Michael Speck. Billy's

18:27

nephew. Michael Speck, he eventually

18:29

contacted an old cell made of his named

18:31

mister l. And Nancy

18:34

would eventually end up

18:36

shut by someone.

18:39

Convoluted as as all hell.

18:42

You know the funny thing in all this after the

18:44

money that went around, the over a million

18:46

well, two million dollars if you can, the bail bonds,

18:48

and all the characters that were involved the

18:51

person who actually pulled the trigger, only

18:53

got one thousand dollars for it.

18:56

By the way, when I say who pulled the trigger,

18:58

I'll come back to that. In a bit. So as I said,

19:00

John spent over two million dollars on the plot.

19:02

It took years to come to fruition

19:04

and most of it went nowhere. And

19:07

funny thing is yeah. Actually, it

19:09

all it all went nowhere.

19:12

See Nancy, she was shot in the head.

19:14

She was shot in the face. But she didn't

19:16

die. She eventually, you know, after

19:18

being shot, she regained consciousness, she

19:21

called 901, and she even

19:23

managed to open the door to the police

19:25

when they arrived. Kjell

19:30

P911. What's the address of the emergency?

19:32

Oh, boom. So what? When What's

19:34

the address, ma'am? It

19:36

was. Yes, ma'am. They're already on the way. What's

19:38

your name?

19:39

May I please know it was? Okay.

19:42

She was rushed to hospital and

19:45

she would be like she'd been shot in the noggin,

19:47

but she would make a full recovery

19:49

eventually. But she would lose

19:51

her left eye. And

19:53

so, the investigation began. You know, at

19:55

first, it was aggravated burglary, but

19:57

soon, this web of Shight

20:02

began to be revealed. Now,

20:05

Frank, he was in late Tahoe when it happened,

20:07

and he oh, he rushed back Carrollton to be

20:10

with his beloved

20:10

wife. Frank was then interviewed by

20:13

the police. Can

20:14

you update me on her condition with the dog Christian

20:16

said? Yes. Actually

20:18

very I mean, it sounds bad

20:20

when you say she might have shown it, but but actually

20:23

very, very good. No brain

20:25

damage, no you don't know

20:27

that. It was a lose of that time. But

20:31

but from there, it will be

20:34

cosmetic stuff.

20:35

What what I know about her

20:36

then she seemed like she would have many problems with

20:38

anybody and she

20:39

Oh, no. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's

20:41

it.

20:42

Would you have a problem if we ran an analysis

20:44

on your cell phone? No. I mean, if

20:46

if there's, you know, you put up a reward

20:49

or anything like that, I believe.

20:51

Okay. I'll again, whatever.

20:53

But I'm just looking to point where we've exhausted

20:55

all of our investigative leads. Another

20:59

step we would

20:59

take. I understand it.

21:00

That's what we because

21:01

obviously, money can prompt

21:03

people to do to get information.

21:06

When Nancy was able to, three days

21:08

after being shot, she gave the police a

21:10

full description of the

21:12

perpetrator. The police would find surveillance footage

21:14

showing Nancy arriving at the church the evening

21:17

as she was shot and of her

21:19

being followed by another car.

21:22

They also soon learned from Frank's

21:24

phone that he'd been having an affair,

21:27

which was swiftly followed by Nancy

21:29

and the family learning about it. The

21:31

Carrollton detectives eventually learned of

21:34

the police report. The one filed

21:36

when Dustin was lost in Nancy's

21:38

neighborhood and told them, told the police he

21:40

was a hit man, he was interrogated. Bay

21:43

swiftly went back to him and said, oh, hey, you

21:45

know, and he told him everything. They then

21:47

spoke with Philly Earl Johnson, who is

21:49

still in jail, who told them even

21:52

more.

21:52

You know what I mean, I gotta rotate me about this.

21:55

I mean, I I everybody's playing

21:57

meet me tough and bad. I don't play

21:59

me tough and bad. I don't mean. I'm

22:01

a hurt you. If you jump on me,

22:03

I'm gonna hurt you forty nine years old.

22:06

I don't visit them till fifteen years.

22:08

Mhmm. I got grandkids. I won't spend rest

22:10

of my life. won't be free.

22:13

I won't have this weekend. I got the big

22:15

ice in the home. And I'm not to follow my court

22:17

on

22:17

his. He told the police that he wanted out

22:19

if he gave them what they wanted, that he wasn't

22:21

you know, listen, I was just taking this guy for a

22:24

ride. You know, I was never gonna kill Nancy. I was a said,

22:26

you know, just just taking money. I just getting money.

22:28

I was never actually gonna kill

22:29

anybody, so he can't, you know, kind of, charged me

22:31

with that.

22:32

I want my back scratch too. I'm not gonna

22:34

go kill nobody. They then spoke with Charlie

22:36

louderman also, and they

22:38

got the photo Stacy had taken from her

22:41

and Billy's second meeting with

22:43

John. John, aka

22:45

Frank Howard, he was arrested. The

22:48

car that followed Nancy out of the church parking

22:50

lot, that was traced then leaving the

22:52

police to Michael Speck and Mr.

22:55

L. By the way, so

22:57

you probably noticed I'm using Mr. L

22:59

instead of his real name when I'm using other

23:01

people's real name, real their

23:04

real names. That's

23:06

because So I covered this story about

23:08

three years ago. And I

23:10

simply had to remove video because

23:13

mister l's lawyer trying to sue me

23:15

if I left it up. So

23:17

the reason was, so mister Al was

23:19

charged with the murder, but he appealed

23:22

and the charge was dismissed, which

23:24

was something I actually was not aware of when I hosted

23:27

video that the charge was dismissed. Oh, no.

23:29

Sorry. He was actually convicted of shooting.

23:33

Nancy Howard, he was convicted of and

23:35

sentenced for it, but he appealed and

23:37

then the conviction was dismissed.

23:39

So to be clear, no one knows

23:41

who actually shot Nancy Howard. Frank's

23:44

trial took place in August twenty fourteen

23:47

two years after his wife was was almost

23:49

killed, and he was charged with attempted

23:51

capital murder. Nancy testified,

23:54

Frank's mistress Suzanne Lee and Keith testified,

23:57

as did Billy, Stacey, Charlie,

23:59

Dustin, Stephanie, Jason, all

24:02

this whole gang, you know, telling the quartet how

24:04

they had just they'd only strung John along

24:06

for years taking millions of

24:08

dollars. And Frank's

24:11

boss, the defense contractor, told

24:13

the court how Frank had embezzled over

24:15

thirty million dollars

24:17

from the company after all. How was

24:19

Frank paying for all this shit,

24:22

if not embezzling, stealing

24:24

money from his employer, the

24:26

ICE ice combat business.

24:29

Price defense though, that one would hit, oh, he

24:31

was being blackmailed over his affair by

24:34

what was later called? The HeHA

24:36

gang. That's, you know, that they he

24:38

he was a victim here who was being blackmailed, that that Frank

24:40

had stopped paying them money weeks before the shooting,

24:43

and so they shot Nancy, tried to kill her.

24:45

No. No. Not because he wanted her dead, but for

24:47

revenge. And that is

24:49

to date what Frank's children believe

24:52

also. But not

24:54

what the jury believed. Frank Howard

24:56

was sentenced to life in prison.

24:59

However, during her victim impact statements,

25:02

Nancy Howard, she said she forgave him

25:04

for what he did, and that she loves him

25:06

still, though they did divorce.

25:09

Frank Howard appealed in twenty sixteen and

25:12

was denied. Michael Speck, the driver

25:14

in that car got twelve years. Mister

25:16

l, who was the LA shooter time he

25:18

got sixty years, but that would be

25:21

reversed and he would be found not guilty.

25:23

Equated of shooting Nancy so,

25:25

To date, we still do not know who's responsible for

25:27

shooting Nancy, but we can assume it was one

25:30

member of the HeHA game. Nancy

25:33

would say it was gush. That had

25:35

saved her after she was shot in the head, managed

25:37

to get her up off the bloody garage floor

25:40

and call nine eleven that she was saved

25:42

approached by her heavenly father.

25:45

I think you're not the year selling yourself little

25:47

short there, but one person

25:49

who didn't sell themselves short was

25:52

John. He thought he was some kind of

25:54

mastermind. When in fact he was a

25:56

fucking idiot who got taken for millions

25:58

of dollars, that were millions of followers

26:00

that were not his, that he stole from his

26:02

boss by a gang of goons in

26:05

the middle of nowhere. John? Frank

26:08

was a carb shite. And that

26:10

is that story. By the way, special thank

26:12

you to Michael j Mooney who wrote an excellent

26:14

account of this case. In how not

26:16

to get away with murder in d

26:18

magazine. And

26:29

now let's get on to our next

26:32

old story. This is a very weird and twisting

26:34

story. It's about a local radio host

26:36

named April Kaufman. April

26:38

was married to two James Kaufman,

26:41

a prominent New Jersey endocrinologists.

26:44

Endocrinologists. Look

26:46

at you. Look at you in your big words. Endo

26:49

for not ice, you have no idea what that means.

26:51

So bear with me. I'm googling it.

26:56

Oh, goddamn. It's A. Endocrinologists

26:59

are medical doctors who specialize in diagnosing

27:01

and treating health conditions related to problems

27:03

with the body's hormones. Folks,

27:05

oh, I have to say to that is, wow. And

27:09

this will this doctor James, he hired

27:11

he hired much like Frank did some lads

27:13

to do a job or him.

27:16

Let's see where it went. Let's give it a view.

27:19

April Kaufman was born and raised in

27:21

the state of New Jersey, a lifelong

27:23

shore resident. She had

27:25

a strong love of motorcycles of

27:28

corvettes and an even bigger passion

27:30

advocating for US military veterans.

27:33

She'd go on to, you know, she'd be involved in

27:35

countless programs, helping soldiers.

27:38

Now April, she was a bit of an ale entrepreneur.

27:40

You know yourself. You know, She worked on her own ventures

27:42

for years. She was the owner of a of

27:44

a salem. She owned catering company. And

27:46

April, she'd go on to be a popular

27:49

Talk Show Radio host on WIVG

27:52

FN. Weekdays between two

27:54

and four, so that's like Prime

27:57

Radio hosts slotting right

27:58

there. Like, shameless has been real good. It

28:00

was such a big issue that affected our veterans

28:03

and our state our country. So I will thank

28:05

my husband for a lot of the things that I've learned

28:07

over the years She had a strong

28:09

personality, gregarious. She was

28:11

well liked by her audience where she

28:13

can't just talk about anything and

28:15

everything. She lived in

28:17

Linwood, New Jersey with her husband

28:19

since two thousand entry. That

28:22

was Dr. James Kaufman, a fairly

28:24

prominent guy in his own right.

28:26

She had one daughter, Kim, who

28:28

was from a previous marriage, and April

28:30

had two grandsons. Now,

28:33

doctor James, let's talk a little bit about him for

28:35

a second. He was a tough guy. A

28:37

former green beret, metals metals

28:39

galore, purple heart,

28:42

sharp shooting metals, a vehicle fucking

28:44

name that he had been in the shits

28:46

ambushed by the Vietnamese. He had been

28:49

stopped. He had clawed his way out

28:51

of danger. Platoon, we've

28:53

all seen the movie Platoon. Doctor

28:55

James lived it. Two tours

28:57

in Vietnam. So as you can imagine,

29:00

this was a good fit for April, Who's out there

29:02

yet always demanding quality healthcare for

29:04

those who served? And

29:07

so April and James, there were two

29:09

large figures in the community. Him,

29:12

you know, working in his medical practice, you

29:14

know, leaving leaving out the door every morning

29:17

very early before April herself

29:19

would be out the door working on her various ventures,

29:21

and of course, as a radio host.

29:24

So Thursday, May tenth, twenty

29:26

twelve, that was no different. However,

29:30

at eight thirty AM, doctor James

29:33

called his wife from his practice in

29:35

egg harbor township. As he as he usually

29:37

did in the mornings, you know, he would have been

29:39

there for conveyors. He would always call April

29:41

just as she was getting up. This

29:44

time however, he got no answer

29:46

from April. After trying to call

29:48

her a few more times, he

29:50

called the handyman who worked for him, you have

29:52

to go to go in and check on her.

29:54

Then, well, this

29:57

happened.

29:57

Yes. I have my boss who's down

30:00

her. She's got to cut on her arm.

30:02

Forty seven year old April was found dead

30:04

on the floor of her bedroom. Face

30:07

down, having been shot multiple

30:09

times in their home. The

30:11

medical examiner would would speculate she

30:14

had been shot in her bed and

30:16

struggled before collapsing on the floor.

30:19

This soon this soon became as you can imagine.

30:21

Right? Folks out like a Mia

30:24

frenzy, a very popular local

30:26

radio host gunned down

30:29

in her own home, in her own bed.

30:31

The investigation began and the funeral

30:34

was held. And so so whispering,

30:36

you know, began about what could have happened

30:39

to this public figure who was well liked

30:41

by everyone, you know, was it oh, an

30:43

affair. Now it did appear there was that

30:45

kind of stuff going on on both April's

30:47

side on Dr. James's side. Luff.

30:49

Yo. And it's a it can be a shit

30:51

storm. I've we've seen many

30:53

times. No. No. But but did April

30:55

have fear that something like this could happen?

30:58

Well, Her last radio appearance

31:00

seemed to suggest it to a certain

31:02

point. My legacy of leaving, you

31:05

know, really beautiful daughter and two grandchildren

31:07

on this planet. I really hope to god

31:10

that people, you know, hey, I could get a flyover

31:12

at my funeral now, but could really

31:14

say that here was an

31:16

American citizen who really stood

31:18

up and dug her heels in and

31:20

and, you know, yelled fire, and

31:22

I expected it to be put out. Seemed

31:24

like April was not entirely comfortable with,

31:27

I don't know, life? No,

31:29

as I've said, the rumor mill was going

31:31

like crazy. But to April's daughter

31:34

Kim Pac. She was pointing

31:36

the finger from from Jump Street, pointing

31:38

it right at her stepfather. Doctor

31:40

James Kaufman. No, they never

31:43

really. They never really got along Kim and

31:45

Dr. James. I mean,

31:47

on Kim's wedding day, the pictures were not

31:50

They weren't terribly close. There was a cold

31:52

race ship between the two of them. You know what

31:54

I mean? I mean their race ship was dripping with

31:56

as much love as this sentence

31:58

is sarcasm. It seems, you know,

32:00

this this big shot, doctor James.

32:03

He was very controlling of April.

32:05

And in fact, two months before April's

32:07

death, she confided in her daughter,

32:09

Kim, that's well, sick

32:12

of working it, this marriage is done.

32:15

And a few days after the murder,

32:17

James, he hired a big a big

32:19

shot defense attorney, you know, paying top

32:22

dollar. When he

32:24

was not named a suspect, which

32:26

is in itself suspect.

32:30

Now at the time of April's death, right, he had

32:32

a great alibi. He was he was caught on footage

32:34

buying a little little snacky. But

32:37

when at the exact moment, his wife was shot.

32:39

Dr. James Kaufman was in it was in the local

32:42

Wawa. Right? Kim

32:44

was on the case as the months went went

32:46

by, trying to get something to

32:48

happen in the investigation. James,

32:50

he had stopped talking to her a long

32:53

time ago, and the the county prosecutor

32:55

was, you know, repeating the line. It's

32:57

an active investigation blah blah

32:59

blah. But for such

33:01

a high profile case, it seemed the investigators

33:04

were were kind of dragging their feet. While

33:06

the public were more key it seemed to public were more,

33:08

you know, keen on getting answers than the people

33:10

who were supposed to. And it was never explained

33:12

why the case, such a major newsworthy

33:15

one, was kinda sorta kicked

33:17

to the curb. While

33:19

there was a Candelat vigil on the yuan

33:21

Year anniversary, James he

33:23

was off auctioning April's stuff.

33:26

A few months later, he remarried

33:28

this time to his high school sweethearts.

33:30

I mean, okay, we're talking like forty years

33:32

after high school, but I guess it's never too late.

33:35

So there you go. Now,

33:37

what really let the powder keg in

33:39

the aftermath off April Kaufman's death

33:42

was when James went after her life

33:44

insurance policy. Classic.

33:52

See, he this was not the first time.

33:54

He had tried to get it three months after

33:56

the murder, The insurance crowd were

33:59

kind of hesitant because, you know, the

34:01

murder was unsolved. So then

34:03

in June twenty thirteen, he filed

34:05

suit Now he was demand the

34:07

money. So with James

34:09

still not a suspect and with him

34:11

believing him to be that guy,

34:14

she filed, she herself came for a

34:16

wrongful death suit against James.

34:19

Now this would prevent him from getting the

34:21

six hundred thousand dollars life insurance

34:23

policy. See, of course, as you're

34:25

you're probably aware, you know, there's the old slayer

34:27

statute. No money until the insurance

34:29

company could be mere

34:30

assured. That James wasn't

34:33

the killer. And

34:36

she had a power, which

34:38

I have known if the thirty years is obviously

34:40

someone has passed away.

34:44

And I ran

34:46

downstairs. And

34:50

went out of the lawn.

34:52

And what's the star? What's that about it? K.

34:55

Do you have tissues by the way? I

34:56

go. Do

35:01

you need to wait. James,

35:06

he would he would give a deposition in the Aramco

35:08

death suit, categorically denying,

35:11

and I'm denying, that he had played any

35:13

part in April's death. And

35:15

during that four hour deposition though,

35:20

something kind of sort of

35:22

came out about dear

35:24

old doctor James. He

35:26

never served in the military. He

35:29

was full of shite.

35:31

Have you ever served in any branch of the military?

35:34

No. You ever tell Campack you were in

35:36

the military? Yes. K. Did you ever

35:38

did you ever do a a project for

35:40

college and part

35:43

of the project was you being in

35:46

the military Yes. -- and what you went through -- Yes.

35:48

-- and that you carried bodies -- Yes.

35:50

And and the torture that you had gone through --

35:52

Yeah. -- did you ever tell anyone that

35:55

you were a

35:55

glover. Right? Yeah. Still a dollar.

35:58

I believe it's called a big No

36:00

fucking no. He also

36:02

he also said to give gave his theories on what

36:05

really happened to April and who

36:07

was responsible. Pretty much out

36:09

of left fields. The

36:11

pagans, he said. You

36:14

have pagans. Now, the pagans were

36:16

a motorcycle club founded

36:19

in nineteen fifty nine and are

36:21

seen as as kind of an outlaw motorcycle

36:23

gang. Thanks to you, Sunzavonic, that kinda

36:25

It's like there are a rival I believe there are rival to

36:27

the Hell's angels. They

36:29

have allegedly, you know, been involved in

36:31

various criminal enterprises on the East

36:34

Coast. Pretty pretty hard

36:36

core don't mess around with them. Wound presenters

36:38

is what they're called. But this

36:41

time, thought, as they say,

36:43

was that. No decision

36:45

would be made on the civil suit at the

36:47

time. Wouldn't be for

36:49

five years. In

36:51

twenty seventeen, a new county

36:53

prosecutor Damon Tyner, he

36:56

would take office. He

36:58

asked his staff to compile a list of

37:00

unsolved, Hmerside case is going back

37:02

forty years in Atlantic County.

37:05

He wanted though though you are ones that were solvable.

37:07

April Kaufman's was on that

37:09

list pretty high up. So the police,

37:11

they would open up the case again. You have five years

37:14

after the fact. And, you know,

37:16

in those five years, certain breaks have been made,

37:18

James' deposition included. And

37:21

so there was a renewed investigation to get

37:23

to the bottom of what happened. By

37:26

the way, so don't don't heap too

37:28

much praise though on the good

37:30

old day entiner, the county prosecutor.

37:32

He himself would have to leave his office early,

37:35

resigning from his position as county

37:37

prosecutor after facing multiple lawsuits

37:39

and ethical complaints, ethics complaints.

37:43

Former employees of the county prosecutor's

37:45

office They they would sue him alleging

37:47

he discriminated against them on the base of their

37:49

gender. He created a toxic work

37:51

environment for women There were allegations

37:53

of harassment allegations he engaged

37:56

in mortgage fraud and other misconduct.

38:00

So Yeah. Maybe not

38:02

the best Pollo over here. So

38:04

they decided that James, was worth another

38:06

look. And when a tip came in

38:08

from the FBI, about James

38:11

put on a completely different

38:13

matter? Well, maybe he was,

38:15

you know, worth a lot more looking into

38:17

than he had been previously. C,

38:19

investigators, the FBI, they got a

38:22

tip that maybe he was involved in

38:24

some kind of scheme out of

38:26

his office. Selling narcotics out

38:28

of his office. And so the police went

38:30

over to investigate the place, go through his

38:32

paperwork, make sure everything was hunky dory, and

38:34

see if he's hiding anything. But

38:36

when the police showed up, doctor James

38:38

Kaufman, he grabbed Agun, and

38:41

there was a standoff inside his

38:44

office. Here

38:46

it comes.

38:51

He just went the other

38:52

way. He just went

38:54

down the side hallway. He

38:57

might have been on the phone, I think. He

39:01

went down the side hallway.

39:16

Doll. Coming

39:18

back. Come back. Come back.

39:22

We have won a gunpoint, Dr. James called.

39:27

Five eleven. I've won a gunpoint,

39:29

doctor James Faulking. has a weapon. Drop

39:31

the gun. Drop the

39:33

gun. Hey. Drop

39:35

the gun. Drop the gun.

39:37

Just

39:38

drop a search warrant. Search. Drop

39:40

the gun. They would eventually make their way

39:42

inside. And James Kaufman was arrested

39:44

on weapons charges. And this

39:46

gave prosecutors time to really

39:49

get into what happened to April.

39:52

And a cooperating witness informed the police

39:55

that James, he had even

39:57

inquiring. Mhmm.

40:00

How do I you know, if I wanted to the

40:02

witness came forward and said James had been asking, Red, how would

40:04

I get rid of somebody in like a permanent kind of

40:06

way? This cooperative witness was

40:08

a former member of the

40:11

pagans, the very people James

40:13

had years previously tried

40:15

to throw in the fire. It

40:17

turned out that doctor James did have

40:19

a secret life. Where by

40:21

night he would write fraudulent opioid

40:23

prescriptions for the

40:25

Pagan Biker gang. He don't

40:28

James had a little drug ring going

40:30

on. The bikers, they were pop by

40:32

his office, pick up prescriptions, and

40:34

then sell them on the street.

40:37

April learned of this.

40:40

She also learned that James was

40:42

no green beret. As he can

40:44

imagine, April thought so hard for,

40:46

you know, military veterans, finding out your husband

40:49

that lied about being one? Well,

40:51

you know, I shouldn't have betrayed. She must have felt.

40:53

So she divorce. Divorce.

40:56

She said, I will expose you.

40:58

I'll expose a little drug ring you have

41:00

going on if you don't divorce me. And

41:04

That is what led to her death.

41:07

This all happened a year before she was killed

41:09

in twenty eleven. Over the next

41:12

twelve months, a hitman would be sought out

41:14

and found. Now that wasn't the only

41:16

little fraud James was involved in

41:18

when he essentially told the Hippocratic

41:21

Oath to go fuck itself in return for some

41:23

sweet sweet money. He was also linked to

41:25

an insurance fraud scheme, one

41:27

involving unnecessary blood tests where

41:29

he would get a kickback from the lab.

41:31

Another involving compound cream prescriptions

41:34

for pain management, like patients would

41:36

come into him he would, oh, you need to have

41:38

blood tests done. Oh, you need this cream.

41:41

He would get kickbacks from the blood test lab

41:43

and the cream place while the insurance company

41:45

were picking up the tab. Dr. James

41:47

Kaufman paid a biker ten grand

41:50

to commit the murder of April Kaufman.

41:53

And As he left that morning on the

41:55

tenth of May twenty twelve, he left

41:57

the doors to his house unlocked, according

42:00

to the prosecutors. Shortly after

42:02

he left the convenience store, he apparently

42:04

handed the hitman Agun and pointed

42:06

him in the direction of his home.

42:09

Funnily enough now, the killer, the hitman.

42:12

Now James, he did not pull the trigger, killing

42:14

his wife, but James was responsible

42:17

for a death. Well, if you're counting him being

42:19

a tubular, many deaths. See, the

42:21

hitman, the person who actually killed April.

42:23

Francis Moholland, He died

42:25

a year and a half after he killed

42:28

April of an overdose

42:30

prescribed by one doctor James

42:32

coffin. It seems this Francis,

42:34

he never got over what he

42:37

what he had

42:37

done. And so for five

42:39

years after April's death, the drug

42:41

ring continued, now that a loose

42:43

end had been taken out of the

42:45

picture. In January

42:47

twenty eighteen, James Kaufman was charged

42:49

with putting a hit on his wife and racketeering,

42:52

working with the pagans to set up an illegal

42:54

drug ring distribution network for OxyContin.

42:57

He was accused of working with the apparent

42:59

leader of the pagans. A fellow named

43:01

one Ferdinand Augello to

43:03

do to do well what happened.

43:06

So James would be arrested and a number of

43:08

others indicted in this drug

43:10

ring. Now, of course, James, he would deny

43:12

all this. He would say he had been forced to take

43:14

part in the scheme, and April was

43:17

killed because you refused to do

43:19

it anymore. That April was killed at a

43:21

revenge, much like Frank herod would argue

43:23

Nancy Heard had been shot at a revenge.

43:26

Now the majority seemed to find that unbelievable,

43:29

but he did have his supporters who

43:31

believed him. Now, as his links

43:33

with the Pagan motorcycle gang were already

43:35

being exposed, the prosecutors they began

43:37

to worry that, you know, in jail, he could be assaulted.

43:40

Or even worse, you know, before he actually went

43:42

trial. So James Kaufman who

43:44

would be moved to another facility for

43:46

his own protection. However,

43:50

before he could go on trial in January

43:52

twenty eighteen, sixty eight year old

43:54

James was found dead inside the county

43:56

jail where he was being held. He

43:59

used the bedsheet on himself.

44:01

Beside him was a six page

44:03

suicide letter. In it,

44:06

he denied doing anything to his

44:08

wife. He said it was April herself

44:10

who introduced him to the Pagan motorcycle

44:13

gang. Remember, April Kaufman did love

44:15

bikes and all that stuff. And

44:17

she was the one responsible for setting up

44:19

this narcotics ring with the pagans,

44:22

but it's not that's not thought to be

44:24

true. Let me quote from his

44:26

suicide letter. As God is

44:29

my witness and will be, I cannot

44:31

live like this. I no

44:33

matter what anybody says, I did

44:35

not do anything to my wife and I am not.

44:37

And was not in the jackets. Moraturi,

44:41

Tay Salutemis. That is Latin

44:43

for we who are about to die salute you. Said

44:45

by captives and criminals who were, you know,

44:47

to to die during the the gladiatory

44:50

or fights in ancient Rome.

44:52

It's it's in the movie gladiator. Quote,

44:54

sometime in twenty eleven, April came to

44:57

me and said, would I like to go to a motorcycle

44:59

rally at Smithville to meet some of her

45:01

friends? When we got there, they were sitting

45:03

on an outside patio next to the bar.

45:06

I was slightly shocked to say the least

45:08

that they had the colors of the pagans.

45:10

I was very nervous. One of the leaders

45:13

said for me to see his motorcycle. When

45:15

we got there, he said, April said,

45:17

I would help them out. And after

45:19

that, he explains how he strong armed into

45:22

the plot. I want to apologize

45:24

to any person I have hurt insulted or

45:26

was rude to in my sixty eight plus

45:28

years. I made peace with God, and

45:31

said the comma. I'm ready to

45:33

go. Goodbye. PS,

45:35

sorry about my handwriting and thanks to my friends

45:38

who stood by me. They knew I didn't

45:40

kill April. Ferdinand

45:42

Augello was ultimately convicted in the murder

45:44

of April Kaufman, but denies he had

45:47

anything to do with it. In twenty eighteen,

45:49

he was sentenced to life in prison. Fun

45:53

story. In October of twenty twenty,

45:55

by the way, Freddie actually emailed me.

45:58

Yeah. Me. Mike, when I covered this previously

46:00

in a video years ago. Here's

46:02

the email. Hi, Mike. This is

46:04

Freddie. My contact person, Leslie,

46:07

whom is typing this for me, saw your video

46:09

about my case. If you get a chance to

46:11

go to my site on Facebook, Freddie Agello,

46:14

and see what I and others have to say.

46:16

I think you will be interested in what I have to say.

46:18

I have been wrongfully convicted on many guilty

46:21

people have been let go by prosecutor, Dane,

46:23

and Tyner. I actually made a living making

46:25

signs and lettering for trucks for thirty

46:27

years. Check out the free Freddie

46:30

site. You can also find his music on Apple Music

46:32

under Willie Rockets Grey Gypsy.

46:34

And you can see what people don't know of it because

46:36

the prosecutor sure anything positive about

46:39

me wasn't brought up during my trial.

46:41

They tried to make me look like a bum who lived off

46:43

drug sales, which I am not. The truth

46:45

matters. Thank you very much, Freddie.

46:48

That was interesting email. I didn't actually respond

46:50

to it. I wasn't quite sure how

46:52

to to be honest, but you can go on his Facebook

46:54

and it's is still quite active to this day,

46:56

and he strenuously denies being involved

46:59

in anything like what he has been accused

47:01

of and convicted of. But

47:03

so, and this old story, you know,

47:06

April died, James died, the

47:08

hitman died, and one

47:10

of the leaders the alleged

47:13

leader, I guess, you could say, well, convicted, but he

47:15

denies it. Freddie Agiello is is in prison

47:17

and will be unless something miraculous

47:19

happens for him. This is a story about how you

47:21

can you know. It's a story about greed. How you can have

47:23

it all and still not enough, which

47:26

always inevitably leads to tragedy

47:28

all ramped. Like a ring. AAAAAACC

47:34

or the he hog yang ring. Man,

47:36

these stories are so similar. It's

47:38

it's insane. But I hope you enjoyed them both.

47:40

Thank you so much for listening to this

47:42

old podcast folks. I really appreciate you taking

47:45

the time being here. Listen to me

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47:49

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48:06

Thanks everybody. yeah, As always,

48:09

please take care of each other. Take care of yourselves because

48:12

I love you. Micah.