0:00

Say hello to my little

0:02

friend. Hello, my little friend.

0:04

Yes, okay, all right, we were recording. Hey you

0:06

and welcome, my name is Mike. And if you're

0:08

listening to this, you're listening to the That Chapter

0:11

podcast. Yeah,

0:13

well, you know, here we

0:15

are again. Fucking hell, man, I'm getting worse at

0:17

introducing these goddamn podcasts. Let me tell you that.

0:19

The intros are hard and I find also the

0:21

ending is hard because I never want to leave.

0:23

We just keep going. Well, it's hard to say

0:25

goodbye. It is, man, it is tough. It is

0:28

tough. I just want to stay here all day

0:30

yapping away and hopefully people are listening to

0:32

this and not switching it off when we

0:34

keep on droning. Man,

0:36

this is gonna be a tough one to

0:38

get through because I am tired. Long

0:40

week. Fuck my life. Yeah, I just

0:43

haven't been sleeping at all. But you know what,

0:45

it's Wednesday the 24th. So for the

0:47

folks of them, why are you laughing?

0:52

Apparently what I just did was very funny. For

0:55

the folks of them, you know, we usually record these a couple

0:57

of weeks in advance because, you know, we got lives and we

0:59

don't want to leave people at home without us to

1:02

listen to. I know how they look forward to

1:04

it every week. Everybody's listening, counting in a minute.

1:06

So, but right now it's Wednesday

1:08

the 24th of January and it has been

1:10

very stormy. It has. Oh my

1:13

God, hold on, hold on you guys. You know, I'm

1:15

gonna blow. Very good impression of the storm. And

1:17

I've not been sleeping at all. Like I am. So

1:20

this is gonna be a good one

1:22

for the folks to listen to. So if you

1:24

guys, if this sounds like shit, blame the storm,

1:26

don't blame me. It could be a

1:28

bit all over the place, but we'll get through. Yeah. We'll get

1:30

through with the gutter. Keith's gonna carry this episode for

1:32

sure. And how are you speaking of Keith? How are

1:35

you? Oh, good. Not too bad. How are you getting

1:37

on? You've a busy week coming up. Apart from this,

1:39

you've. I do. You're going away, aren't you? I'm going

1:41

to Budapest, Budapest. It's my

1:43

one year anniversary of being a married

1:45

man. Sorry, lady. Yeah,

1:48

no, it's my one year anniversary. So me and the wife

1:50

are heading off to dirty

1:53

Hungary and yeah, you

1:55

know, gonna have a good time. It's beautiful city. By

1:57

the way, as I'm saying this, I'm looking.

2:00

I'm opening up Keats Instagram Cuz

2:03

people found it since last well, I would

2:05

say the last episode is like probably like

2:07

three episodes ago Yeah, man, do you man

2:09

have comments Keats have gotten on your oh

2:12

you're hurting them all harsh and by auster I thought

2:14

I'd be nice. Yeah, you are being nice a lot

2:17

of people have comments on your Instagram It's

2:19

pretty cool. Finally a face reveal. That's great.

2:21

That's it. Yeah popular man. Evan's been really

2:24

nice No, I know

2:26

well, that's it. That's the only reason

2:28

I started up a podcast is because

2:30

or you know with you Is

2:33

could people already let me nice, you know,

2:35

I don't I need any you know complaints any

2:37

any negative feedback I just don't want to hear

2:39

it. You know, the only reason I started this

2:41

is for positive comments You would think nice things

2:44

to be confident. Of course keep it yourself. Yeah,

2:46

so Keith What's going on with you any

2:48

scary stories from your heads of horrors, which

2:50

is your home. I do Oh

2:53

folks, I'm shocked. So okay, so I do

2:56

have one and Legit

2:58

scared the bejesus my wife and really you

3:00

mean the last spooky thing that happened was

3:02

a four Christmas I think was the the

3:04

door that opened by itself door slowly opening

3:06

either the door the ghosts going out to

3:09

work or coming in But

3:13

and yeah, this was this was a spooky

3:16

one So I was and I was upstairs

3:18

in the office and my wife

3:20

was downstairs in the living room Just watch so what

3:22

a set the scene what day of the week was

3:24

it? Oh, yeah, Tuesday, I believe Tuesday,

3:27

she would not choose at what time of day.

3:29

It was late. We just put our daughter's bed

3:31

So it was after half seven I

3:33

think about eight o'clock the hour of the wolf Let's

3:38

go it sounds spooky though The

3:41

spooky hour of eight o'clock He's

3:46

yawning. He's got his little pajamas on he's ready

3:48

to go to bed. Got that big floppy house

3:50

Yeah, exactly. Whatever that thing is drinking hot cocoa.

3:53

Yeah, that's it. That's it So I was upstairs

3:55

in the office and doing doing a bit of pod

3:57

work actually now really working on the podcast You're researching

3:59

where you're researching searching the episode we're actually gonna do right now?

4:01

I was actually, yeah. Whoo! This is exactly

4:03

what I think. It's all coming full circle. It's all

4:05

coming full circle. Wow. So I was upstairs and my

4:08

wife's downstairs and she heard me call down her. So

4:10

I called out her name and

4:12

she called back up like, what? And I

4:14

called again and she called back

4:16

like, what do you want? And then

4:18

I said, come here. So

4:21

she's like went out to the stairs and

4:23

she called up what do you want? And she came up

4:25

the stairs and then she came into my office and she's

4:28

like, what do you want? I haven't been gone yet. Swear

4:30

to God. And she was like, she got really freaked out, really

4:32

flushed. She was like, I swear to God, I hear you call

4:34

me and you answered. So

4:36

you answered, same, come here. Come here. And then

4:38

she went upstairs and I was like, I did

4:40

not call you. Wow. I was listening to

4:43

her and I had an earphone thing. And I was like, I've

4:45

been sitting here. I did not call you, she got really freaked

4:47

out. That is pretty freaky. Yeah, so. Are you here to go?

4:50

Sometimes I think I can see through you and I'm

4:52

really not sure. That's just my pale complexion. Yeah. You

4:54

just bled me. You go to Irish crazy. Yeah, exactly.

4:57

The old moldy wallpaper texture we all

4:59

have. That's freaky.

5:02

That is, that's Chels, babe. Chels.

5:04

It was, and yeah, I was scared to be due to

5:06

it over. She like, no explanation for it. That

5:09

was really, really weird. But on the bright side, I guess

5:11

it's not coming after me anymore. It's going after her.

5:13

Hey, listen, you know, you get your, not

5:15

your problem anymore. That's all I'll say. Got

5:17

that monkey ghost off my back. I can't

5:19

say it. You just have

5:21

to outrun the other person. So it's her problem now,

5:23

really. You're fine, you've got free. We'll get her in

5:25

the pod next time. Yeah, exactly. Once

5:28

it goes up to now. All right, that is pretty freaky.

5:30

Yeah, so I'll keep you updated. Whoever the ghost is

5:32

keeps calling my wife. But yeah, we'll see. I'll let

5:35

you know. How's your voice apparently? It's trolling my voice.

5:37

Yeah. Yeah, very weird. I don't know what the thing

5:39

she said, like it sounded like you. She's like, I

5:41

hear you from now on. You called my name. I'm sure she

5:43

wasn't just like listening to the podcast. No, she's watching TV. Yeah.

5:47

Very, very strange. Yeah. Very

5:49

weird. The ghost is impersonating you, taking over

5:51

your life. And yeah, next time it's going

5:53

to be the ghost. I don't know, you're not the ghost right

5:55

now. Whoa. Whoa. Folks,

5:57

first time I've ever heard a ghost on a podcast. I just

5:59

like vanishes. Yeah, they'd be pretty cool. I would be

6:01

cool. I'll be actually kind of suck because I don't have any

6:04

video Alright

6:10

cool, that's a spooky story. I'm sure the

6:13

folks at home are shitting their pants. I

6:15

hope so. Yeah, me too. Alright Fun

6:19

times fun times now shall we get into today's

6:21

topic? Let's do it. I'm really excited about this one

6:23

I think it's a really good episode When you sent

6:25

me the script I was reading through the script

6:27

at honest got a read like a movie. Mm-hmm.

6:30

It's wild What it's real

6:32

this shit. It really happens. I believe

6:34

that it's very real. Mm-hmm. Indeed I

6:36

do this today folks We're talking about

6:38

the the case of the Beltway snipers

6:40

also known as the DC snipers also

6:42

known as dickhead a and dickhead B

6:44

Ask me couple of shitbags. Mm-hmm. Indeed

6:47

indeed. Um, so I think you know,

6:49

let's just dive straight into it You

7:02

Know let's not beat around the

7:04

bush anymore. You're a didn't know kissing. Come on now

7:09

Let's go to Washington DC. Oh actually

7:11

no ship Washington State We'll get

7:13

to Washington DC in a bit folks because

7:15

that's where the shit went down But to

7:17

begin this whole story it happens in the

7:20

great state of Washington at around

7:22

7 p.m. On February 6th 2002

7:26

20 year old Kenya Nicole cook had just

7:28

been getting her six-month-old daughter Angelia ready for

7:30

a bath when she heard a knock at

7:32

the door This was in Tacoma,

7:34

Washington and Kenya was staying with her aunt

7:36

but at this particular hour other day. She

7:39

was home alone See

7:41

Kenya had been staying with her aunt

7:43

and teenage cousin in Roosevelt Heights after

7:45

a recent split from her child's father

7:48

They were due back to the house shortly

7:50

But for now Kenya was home alone

7:52

and so she wrapped Angelia up securely

7:54

on her bed and headed down to

7:57

He was the husband Best in

7:59

a minute later the young mother would be lying

8:01

dead in the hall. Kenya

8:04

had been working hard as a manager of a

8:06

clothing store and taking business courses in evenings to

8:08

help build a better life for herself and her

8:10

child. One squeeze of her trigger later, and

8:13

all that hope was gone. She'd

8:15

been shot in the face at a very close

8:17

range with a .45 caliber pistol.

8:19

She didn't even have a chance. Right

8:22

away, the question was who the hell would

8:24

want to hurt Kenya? A hard working single

8:26

mother. Yes, she'd just come out of her

8:28

relationship, but it wasn't the kind of breakup

8:31

in which either party would go and execute

8:33

the other one in cold blood. The

8:36

answer to this question would have to

8:38

wait for nine months, and by then

8:40

a lot more blood

8:42

would be spilled. Though

8:45

no one knew it at the time, Kenya's

8:47

death was just the first in a series

8:49

of shootings that terrified communities

8:51

in many states around the US,

8:54

but would specifically lead to

8:56

the other Washington, Washington DC

8:58

and the surrounding areas for

9:00

several weeks. Now some of

9:02

these crimes me and Keith are gonna skinny-dip

9:05

into dive head first and do, they wouldn't

9:07

be definitively confirmed to have been a

9:09

part of the spree until years, I'm

9:12

doggin' years later. In fact,

9:14

the shooting that led to Kenya's death wasn't confirmed

9:16

as being linked to the others until four years

9:18

after all this began in 2006, when Lee Boyd

9:20

Malvo, one of the

9:25

two men convicted of the Beltway's

9:27

sniper attacks, finally confessed

9:29

to being responsible. Malvo had

9:31

been travelling around the Tacoma area with a

9:34

man named John Allen Muhammad. After

9:36

killing Kenya, the two travelled to LA before

9:38

taking a bus to Tucson, Arizona in mid-March

9:41

2002 to

9:43

visit Muhammad's sister Odessa Newell. Now

9:45

I know we're gonna get into who these

9:48

men are a little later. Ooh, spoiler alert!

9:50

A bit more detail, but I think it's

9:52

worth mentioning at this point that one of

9:54

the snipers, John Muhammad, actually knew Kenya Cook's

9:56

aunt, Isa Nichols. So Nichols

9:59

was a friend. of Muhammad's ex-wife

10:01

and had sided with her through

10:03

a very bitter divorce. Police

10:05

now think that this may have been the motive for the murder

10:07

which kicked off a series of events. Whether

10:10

they're not sure whether the killer

10:12

mistook Cook for nickels or simply killed Denise to

10:14

get back at the Ants. I'd say it's where

10:16

he shot the first person to open the door

10:18

knowing he lived there, maybe he assumed it would

10:20

be. It's a bad but she wasn't home at

10:22

the time. That's it, yeah. So we're still not

10:25

sure. Also the gun that they used for the

10:27

murder, the .45 caliber pistol, it wasn't

10:29

even theirs. They borrowed it from a guy

10:31

that they were staying with a few months prior who

10:34

would believe that he'd loaned the gun to them

10:36

for some bit of target practice. Yeah, well it's

10:38

definitely target practice but not the kind of targets

10:40

you were wanting to be. Very, very true, yeah.

10:42

Yeah. Now the man who they loaned the gun

10:44

off, he was very cooperative and helped

10:46

the police after this came out years later. But

10:50

knowing your gun was used to kill someone, that's a bit

10:52

shitty. I'd say that. Stick with ya. Yeah,

10:55

exactly. If they knew who they

10:57

were shooting or whatnot, I don't think they, you

10:59

know, they gave a shit. Because judging

11:01

by what we're gonna get into and what they

11:03

did over the following weeks, they

11:05

just killed whoever the fuck they wanted to and it

11:07

was pretty completely random. Yep. The

11:09

entire way through. The two

11:11

had only been in Tucson for a matter of

11:14

days when on the 19th of March 2002, 60-year-old

11:17

Jerry Ray Taylor was fatally shot in

11:20

the back from long range as he

11:22

practiced chip shots on the Fred Enke

11:24

golf course. As we're gonna

11:26

get into, he is another victim where they just randomly

11:28

went around popping off shots. You might

11:31

say Willie Mooly. Mm, and you'd be right. Yeah,

11:33

I would, thank you. Though police

11:35

had long suspected the shooting was likely

11:38

committed by Muhammad and Malvo, it was

11:40

never conclusively confirmed until Malvo was interviewed

11:42

by Maryland police whilst in prison serving

11:45

multiple life sentences for his part in

11:47

the shootings to come. He only

11:49

confessed on the condition of immunity from prosecution

11:52

in the case. What's most

11:54

depressing is that Jerry Taylor's wife died a

11:56

year before the confession. So she

11:58

died never having the closure of

12:00

justice. Not that any

12:02

further convictions were needed by that later

12:05

point. With multiple life

12:07

sentences himself and Muhammad awaiting execution,

12:09

the truth had become the priority

12:11

over justice or revenge. According

12:14

to friends and family of

12:16

Jerry Ray Taylor, he was an easy-going,

12:18

mild-mattered man who really just didn't have

12:20

an enemy in the world. After

12:22

he was killed, everyone including the police, I

12:24

said, they left completely puzzled. They just seemed

12:27

so random, which completely was, as you said.

12:29

There was absolutely zero connection between the snipers

12:31

and Jerry Ray Taylor before this. There is

12:33

some speculation though that this may have been

12:36

a hit. This actually came

12:38

from Malvo, who apparently confessed someone

12:40

wanted the golfer killed and paid

12:42

Muhammad 25,000 to do so. However,

12:45

Malvo did not say he wanted Taylor dead

12:47

and local authorities have not confirmed if this

12:49

allegation is true or not. Keith

12:52

coming in with the conspiracy angle. Muhammad and Malvo

12:54

departed Tucson nine days after killing Jerry Ray Taylor

12:56

on March 28,

13:17

2002, taking a greyhound bus and helping themselves

13:19

to tree off the bus driver's credit card

13:21

somewhere along the way. In

13:23

early April, Muhammad and Malvo spent

13:26

five days with an acquaintance of

13:28

Muhammad's named Jason Hamilton in Bellingham,

13:30

Washington. Exactly where they went

13:32

and what they did immediately after that is

13:34

kind of a shaky area. What we do

13:36

know is that at some point they ended

13:38

up back in Tacoma, Washington, as a Visa

13:41

card that was among the tree-stolen cards was

13:43

recorded being used at a Tacoma gas station

13:45

around April 11, 2002. He's

13:49

been quiet for a few months until

13:51

early in September. Though reports of gunshots

13:53

fired at Temple Beth Synagogue in Tacoma

13:56

in May have been attributed to Muhammad

13:58

and Malvo and would certainly fit in

14:00

with the timeline and known movements of

14:02

the two. See, they were just traveling

14:04

around America, doing whatever the shit they

14:06

wanted and just shooting anybody

14:08

they saw fit to and got in

14:10

their way! Anyone or anything. The

14:12

police were also able to confirm that the gun that fired

14:15

the shots at the synagogue was a .44 caliber magnum, which

14:18

also belonged to the same guy who loaned

14:20

Muhammad and Malvo the gun used to kill

14:22

Kenya Nicole Cook earlier. So I'm

14:24

not sure what the point of them firing at

14:26

the synagogue was, no one was inside of the

14:28

shooting, so they were literally just off firing at

14:31

anything and anyone. It was just shot at an

14:33

empty building. Muhammad and Malvo

14:35

spent the majority of July and August

14:37

in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. So Muhammad could

14:39

visit family. They stayed with

14:41

Muhammad's cousin, Charlene Anderson. She

14:44

would later say that Muhammad had told her that

14:46

he and Malvo were parts of a, get

14:48

this, clandestine military unit on

14:51

a spec-offs mission, one of them. Pretty

14:54

cool. He also took the

14:56

time to get nostalgic. And called his

14:58

former classmate, Janice M. Scott, and asked

15:00

her if she'd go to his 25th

15:02

high school reunion with him. Catching

15:04

up with the old gang. The answer probably

15:07

wasn't positive, though. And in

15:09

early August, the pair were spotted twice

15:11

at the health food market, our daily

15:13

bread in Baton Rouge. Perhaps

15:16

feeling the heat, the two returned

15:18

to Tacoma in late August, where

15:20

they visited Todd Paulson's auto repair

15:22

shop and considered buying a Lincoln

15:24

Continental, though they later decided against

15:26

it. Baton Rouge comes up

15:28

a lot, doesn't it? Baton Rouge comes up

15:30

a lot, Tacoma comes up a lot, and

15:32

as we will get to DC, comes

15:34

up a lot. These were just two men randomly

15:37

travelling around America. I mean, hey, they love to

15:39

travel. They love to kill and they love to

15:41

travel. What more do you want? But not even

15:43

this story. I've just been in general. Baton Rouge is just looking

15:45

for... Oh, and just a murderer and stuff? Yeah. I did something

15:47

in the water up there. Well, yeah, I did. On

15:49

the Chan. That's a fancy word for Chan. I

15:52

covered the story of Shawn Mincegillis, the

15:54

serial killer, who was active

15:57

in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And, yeah, when

15:59

he was active... There was like two

16:01

other serial killers active in the same area

16:03

at the same time It was like 50

16:05

people or something were killed like murdered. Yeah,

16:08

and just this over this period by serial

16:10

killers Yeah, it does come up a lot

16:12

actually. It's a wild area. Yeah, Dan Cajuns.

16:14

Yeah, I was at the high school

16:16

You're in reunions and awful like 25 years later

16:19

if I haven't talked if I haven't talked to

16:21

you in 25 years Mm-hmm does

16:23

good. What yeah, it's good. Why do I want to

16:25

talk to you now? Yeah, have you ever been to

16:27

a reunion at school reunion? No, have you? No, no

16:29

I mean it would have been my tenure school reunion.

16:31

Well 2019. I don't either if

16:33

they did only they didn't invite me Weirdos

16:39

people I'd say like when you leave school

16:42

you don't talk anymore weirdos people. Yeah We

16:45

don't get invited No, actually, but

16:47

I wouldn't have gone. Yeah, I was like Yeah,

16:49

I keep in contact with the friends from school

16:51

who I want to keep in contact with and

16:53

that's kind of it Yeah, yeah, I

16:56

don't need any more friends. Yeah, I mean honestly,

16:58

they always just sound Awful going

17:00

back to those reunions. Anyway, it seems like

17:03

most people just go back to probably just

17:05

bragging shipping Yeah, like good on do yeah.

17:07

Yeah, definitely So the

17:09

period of relative peace came to a

17:11

sudden horrifying conclusion on September 5th 2002

17:15

when 55 year old Paul Aruffa was shot

17:17

five times in the back with a 22

17:20

caliber handgun by Lee Boyd Malvo

17:22

as he closed up Marjolina's pizzeria,

17:24

which he owned this latest cold-blooded

17:27

act happened in Clinton, Washington A

17:29

small coastal town across the Bay

17:31

from Seattle expanding the killer duo's

17:33

range even further They

17:35

also expanded their repertoire of crimes

17:38

in addition to doing their very best

17:40

to kill Paul Aruffa Muhammad and Malvo helped

17:42

themselves to his Sony Vayo laptop and more

17:45

than three and a half thousand dollars

17:47

in cash from the pizzeria Somewhat

17:49

miraculously despite taking bullets to the neck

17:51

die from and losing a massive amount

17:53

of blood and marinara sauce and having

17:55

collapsed lungs I can make jokes because

17:58

he didn't die Okay I

18:00

feel fine with doing it. It

18:03

keeps giving me judgmentalness. I

18:05

can feel it. That

18:07

was pretty good. Paul LaRouffe underwent

18:09

nine errors of surgery and months

18:12

of recovery, but in the end

18:14

survived the vicious attack. LaRouffe

18:17

is now enjoying retirement and actually owns a

18:19

horse named Sniper. See, he's making jokes, man.

18:22

His horse is called Sniper

18:24

Survivor. Vicala! Vicala

18:26

later told authorities that he and Mohammed

18:28

had trailed Paul LaRouffe for three days

18:30

before the attack. It is an

18:32

awful neighborhood, though, isn't it? I suppose it's a

18:35

good way to own your own trauma as well.

18:37

Yeah, exactly. Even

18:39

though they followed him for three days, it

18:41

was still a completely random attack. Paul

18:44

LaRouffe, he said in interviews for two months,

18:46

he was mentally really paranoid and scared because he just

18:49

didn't know who shot him, which is the end. Of

18:51

course. Fair enough. You

18:53

won't be terrified. You can try to finish the job

18:55

or not. Yeah. But it does seem like that they

18:57

got what exactly what they were after. In the end,

18:59

I said they got the 3,500 they stole, and

19:02

they used that to help finance their

19:04

insane rampage. Yeah. That

19:06

was later to come. And even though Paul LaRouffe,

19:08

he was completely innocent in all this, he did say

19:10

in an interview, I definitely felt odd about the

19:12

fact that my money probably financed the whole escapade. It

19:14

probably bought some gas. It probably bought some ammunition. It

19:17

probably bought some food and a car. I'm sure they lived

19:19

without money the whole time. So I'm

19:21

sure there's a lot of survivor's guilt going on there. That's

19:24

fucking crazy, you know. Like, there's

19:26

no way he should be feeling any guilt at all. No.

19:29

Like, the guy who lent him the guns, maybe. Yeah. I

19:31

mean, obviously, no, he didn't know what they were going to

19:33

do with them. But I mean, they shot

19:35

you, they almost killed you and stole your

19:37

money. Yeah. Like, that's... Yeah.

19:41

You know, I mean, hey, they also stole his Sony... I'm bringing it to the point tonight.

19:43

No, they... Guys, they also stole

19:45

his Sony Vay of Laptop. That's it,

19:47

yeah. I have one of them. They

19:49

were good-ass laptops. They stopped making them. But

19:52

that was my first laptop, and it was a really good laptop. No, it's

19:54

not. Mommy was a Toshiba. Ah,

19:56

man. Well, it was not good. No. I

19:59

remember I had it when I was a kid. I was like 16

20:01

17 and lime wire baby. Oh

20:03

man. It was it like like I

20:06

heard someone say before it's like having Unprotected sex with

20:08

the internet. Yeah, like oh man best way I can

20:10

like I Definition was got every STD

20:12

in that STD possible. I just turned and lime

20:15

more the shit out of everything I'm pretty sure

20:17

it just like went on fire one day. That's

20:19

the way I had to get rid of it

20:21

I could eat I destroyed our founding computer with

20:23

yeah, we don't have it like that two weeks

20:26

I'm like Every

20:32

time I first be like

20:35

all that for like it like two songs download 340

20:37

P Podcasts

20:44

with early internet days I

20:47

remember I had my very very I

20:50

remember I used to have an mp3 player, you

20:52

know, it was a it was like a creative

20:54

crazy. Yeah They

20:56

were awesome. They're really good. I've had a miss those

20:58

things. There's a real blocky piece of shit. Oh, they

21:00

were a bulky I had like a hundred songs and

21:02

I was like, whoa. Yeah, I

21:04

remember I got like it I

21:07

end up getting like five hundred songs off my cousin, but

21:09

it was none of them were named Ah, yeah,

21:11

the track one tractor. Yes, I like it like all

21:13

the track 500 like so. Yeah, I was listening to

21:15

put it It was great. Yeah. Yeah, I love track

21:18

music It's so

21:20

funny. I like I appreciate music back then and now

21:22

you know Spotify like every song exists and I'm like

21:24

Listen to the same five songs over and over

21:26

again I know I think I've like all I listen

21:29

to now is lychee songs from my youth. Yeah. Oh,

21:31

yeah Yeah, I

21:33

do not I'm not keeping up with the kids. I've

21:35

just tuned out It's like I've decided no this is

21:37

music alive like I don't care about anything else. Yeah,

21:39

I'm good. Yeah I'm

21:42

good. Yeah, exactly. All right back

21:44

to the story of the DC snack, man We do

21:46

lower tangents don't we I do know what are people

21:49

just are listening to this like press 30 seconds skips

21:54

move on Sally All

21:57

right. So Shortly after. Not

22:00

I haven't heard him. The border

22:03

that businesses sit up with. Point but

22:05

sister is. Surely.

22:07

After the attack on Paula, Ruthless, Malveaux

22:09

and Mohammed made their way to Camden,

22:11

New Jersey. Easy man. While hang in

22:14

there are the All Nations Cuisine Restaurant.

22:16

They met twenty six year old Nathaniel

22:18

Oh Osborne, a Jamaican immigrants who came

22:20

to the Us in Nineteen Ninety Six.

22:23

On the eleventh of September, Osborne helped

22:25

Malveaux on Mohammed to register a Ninety

22:27

Nine. He blew Chevy Caprice that Mohammed

22:30

had bought the day before from Sure

22:32

Shot Auto Sales in Trenton, New Jersey

22:34

for two hundred and fifty. Two.

22:37

Hundred fifty dollars. What part of

22:39

that is? Wild Zoo in says

22:41

and soon it's crazy. Selling. Secrets

22:43

that seems like on Leo. Well,

22:46

I'm going to double check that Dicey. Seems

22:48

like I bought my first conflict four hundred

22:50

and of. It was.

22:52

That is why did in actually purchased the

22:54

car for two hundred? Oh sorry folks, Isis

22:56

had to google like that. Seems while though

22:59

it has voted doubles access is like that

23:01

awful second hand cars now. Yeah ah man,

23:03

folks are two than their has an hour.

23:05

I'm tired of your ssh. And while it's

23:07

all it's also seems hey listen back says

23:09

and to get em twelve year old car.

23:12

For. Tuner Fifty dollars that seems like I

23:14

know which are and relationship with even

23:16

for to you know twelve twenty to

23:18

use committees. That

23:20

seems wildly low. Yea, I picked up the

23:23

good of the doesn't have his goal is.

23:25

On. The registration paperwork Mohammed and

23:27

Osborne both gave their dresses as

23:30

fourteen Hundred Certain Street in Camden.

23:32

Which. Was actually the address I'll the all

23:34

nations cuisine restaurant where they mess. While.

23:37

Osborne would later be arrested in relation

23:39

to domestic violence charges and then later

23:41

again on a federal witness words in

23:43

connection with Mobile Muhammad's crimes. He was

23:45

never considered you know what the to

23:47

were up to and played no part

23:49

in the shootings that were already happening.

23:51

And to com. Muhammad. and malvo

23:54

definitely were very good at using all

23:56

those around them to get what they

23:58

wanted from guns to car to

24:00

addresses, some money. Three

24:03

days later, on the 14th of September 2002, 22 year

24:05

old Rupinder,

24:07

Benny Oberoi, was helping his boss, Arnie

24:09

Zelkowitz, the owner of the Hillandale Beer

24:12

and Wine store, Rupinder worked as a

24:14

cashier, close up for the night, when

24:16

out of nowhere they heard a loud,

24:19

crick. A few seconds

24:21

later, Rupinder was on the floor, struggling to

24:23

breathe. Fortunately, an off 2D

24:25

police officer happened to be nearby and called

24:27

Nino Munn, while rendering first aid to Rupinder.

24:30

The Hillandale store was very close to

24:33

the Beltway, a loop of highways that

24:35

run around Washington DC, and where police

24:37

believe the snipers took their shot from.

24:40

It also gave the shooters the name that stuck in

24:42

the media, the Beltway Snipers.

24:46

Rupinder suffered severe damage to both kidneys and

24:48

his liver, and even lost a

24:50

large chunk of his stomach, but he

24:52

recovered. After this, Rupinder's

24:54

father said that the family was extremely

24:57

disappointed, because they felt the

24:59

police had not aggressively investigated the shooting

25:01

when it happened. Which I'm

25:03

sort of inclined to believe, like with

25:05

everything they did so far, it's crazy

25:08

the police were not hot on their

25:10

tail. Oh yeah, and spoiler alert, but

25:12

this'll keep going. They just randomly drove

25:14

around murdering people. I

25:17

mean, no spoilers, but there's

25:19

a part in the story where they essentially fuck

25:22

up, and that's how they get caught.

25:24

It's wild. The story gets

25:27

crazy. I'm sure they would've got caught

25:29

eventually, but yeah, as you're saying, it

25:32

wasn't amazing, stunning detective work that solved

25:34

the story of these two people. Their

25:36

body count is insane. And

25:38

like I said, from the first killing they've done this

25:41

for like nine months. I had

25:43

no idea, nothing at all. Crazy.

25:46

So the very next day after shooting

25:48

Rupinder, September 15th, 2002, 32-year-old

25:50

Mohammad Rashid Was also preparing to lock up

25:52

the liquor store where he worked when he

25:54

was shot at three times. The First two

25:56

shots missed, but the turd hit him in

25:58

the stomach and dropped the turd. him the

26:00

ground. Even though he was in

26:02

immense pain and had you desperately struggle to

26:05

stifle costs, he saw quickly. And. He

26:07

played dead. While. He

26:09

laid a still as possible he felt

26:11

a man who he later realize was

26:14

Malveaux. rifle trees, pockets and tiegs. Wallace.

26:16

Proceed. Was able to cling to lice

26:18

and even gave the police a detailed description

26:21

of Malveaux and even mentioned seeing a dark

26:23

could sit on parked nearby. Receipt.

26:25

He was the only ones. Who. Provided parties with

26:27

a description of the month for turtles. yeah

26:30

me again on spoiler the hemisphere but their

26:32

method of how they were committing all of

26:34

these random sniper attacks shooting attacks was pretty

26:36

ingenious because they were do it all from

26:39

the car most to be an ugly from

26:41

the car. Yeah yeah yeah we'll talk about

26:43

layer are in the best. Six.

26:45

Days later across state lines in Atlanta,

26:48

Georgia and just like roof and or

26:50

overlay on Mohammed or seed forty one

26:52

year old million a walder marry him

26:54

was helping a friend a close up

26:56

Sami's package store on September. Twenty first,

26:58

two thousand and two. When. He

27:00

was shot at the back and head three

27:03

times at close range by Malveaux and Mohammed.

27:05

This. On the wounds would prove to be

27:07

fatal. Million. Was an Ethiopian immigrants

27:10

and like those before him. He'd

27:12

been chosen at random. Ballistics,

27:14

Would later mass see tweets you use

27:16

been the same as being used in

27:18

earlier for tax. Later.

27:20

The same day Muhammad and Malvo struck

27:23

again when they shut to women as

27:25

they close of a liquor store for

27:27

the Knights store manager. Fifty two year

27:29

old Claudine Parker died by be twenty

27:31

four year old Sheer Kelly Adams survived

27:34

despite being shot from point blank range

27:36

shooting with the same Twenty Two. This.

27:39

Time and robbery was thought to be the

27:41

mode of thought was thwarted by two police

27:43

officers who happened to be patrolling nearby. Unfortunately

27:45

though, for everybody in this story, Muhammad and

27:48

Malvo were able to guess away. Kelly.

27:50

adams was extremely lucky to bite

27:53

the bullet had entered the back

27:55

for head and exited stewards and

27:57

oh my god that's yeah going

28:00

through all the good stuff. Yeah it was unbelievable.

28:02

She said that part of her face had been

28:04

blown onto her chest and through instinct

28:06

she'd reached down and just placed this

28:08

massive flesh back where it would be.

28:10

Oh my god. And for five years

28:13

she endured 30 surgeries

28:15

and for a while had to rely

28:17

on a feeding tube so incredibly lucky.

28:19

Yeah geez that's that's uh

28:21

yeah wow. Two days passed

28:23

before the deadly duo struck again. There

28:26

was another slight change up in their ammo perhaps

28:28

spurred on by their near missin' Atlanta almost getting

28:30

caught by the cops. The victim this time

28:32

was 45 year old Korean immigrant

28:34

Hong Imbalinger. Balinger was shot in the

28:36

head in the parking lot of her

28:38

workplace beauty depot in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

28:41

We're back. Yeah yeah yeah we never

28:43

left. The shooting also took

28:45

place much earlier than the previous attacks. This time

28:47

was at 6 35 pm. Usually

28:49

they were getting people when they're closing up. Now if

28:51

you thought you know that things were completely out of

28:53

hand by this point, hold on to

28:56

your butts. Because things went from

28:58

bad to really really really bad. But

29:00

before we get to that I should

29:02

probably tell you about who these guys

29:04

were that managed to terrify multiple states

29:06

and had everyone from small tent sheriff's

29:08

deputies all the way to the ATF

29:10

chasing after them. Who are

29:13

these two boyos? Lee Boyd

29:15

Malvo was born on February 18th

29:17

1985 to a teenage mother, Una

29:19

James, and a 35 year old

29:21

mason in Kingston, Una

29:24

would quickly become a single mother to

29:26

a young child and Malvo grew up

29:28

in relative poverty surrounded by the brutal

29:30

gangs constantly fighting with one another and

29:32

the police over territorial disputes. Malvo

29:35

moved to the states with his mother

29:37

three years, only three years before the

29:39

shootings when he was just 13 years

29:41

old. The mother and son

29:43

duo they entered the US illegally risking

29:45

their lives by being smuggled in a

29:47

cargo container which you know they're obviously

29:49

extremely desperate to escape the ever-present threat

29:51

of violence and death. They originally

29:54

landed in Fort Myers Florida but were

29:56

eventually able to settle in the state

29:58

of Washington. Not even two

30:00

illegal immigrants wanted to say I'm sorry. So coming

30:02

out of the game like, Whoa,

30:05

there! Humidity! What then? Very

30:09

nice, my friend. John

30:11

Allen Muhammad, who was going by Sergeant John

30:13

A. Williams at the time, had served in

30:15

the regular army and the National Guard, though

30:18

he was twice court-martialed in the 1980s, once

30:22

for disobeying orders and again for punching

30:24

another sergeant. That second defence got him

30:26

demoted. After the shootings,

30:28

Muhammad's commanding officer told reporters, Muhammad

30:30

was, quote, A very nice

30:32

guy, flight by all the men. He was

30:35

tall, athletic, with a million dollar smile. He

30:37

was a natural-born leader, but he

30:39

was prone to flashes of anger. All

30:42

in all, he was in the military for 16 years. It

30:45

was also in his time in the

30:48

army that Muhammad had honed his marksman

30:50

skills, earning awards for his long-range shooting.

30:52

Though he was not a sniper, that

30:54

is a specific designation and requires attending

30:57

certain schools to qualify for it. Not

30:59

though he did achieve the much coveted

31:01

marksman badge with expert rating. That

31:03

was using an M16 rifle. Not

31:06

that I know anything about guns, but I presume that's

31:08

pretty cool. Now, something

31:11

that he was not as expert as a qualified

31:13

sniper, that still requires him. He could

31:15

shoot real good, essentially, is the point. To qualify as

31:17

an expert, Muhammad, he would have had to hit at

31:19

least 36 out of 40 targets at

31:22

a distance ranging from 50 to 300 metres. Wow,

31:25

that's pretty good marksman. Yeah, that's pretty good.

31:27

That's pretty good. He served

31:29

in an engineering unit during the 1991

31:31

Gulf War, receiving tree medals during that

31:33

time. And it was in the 1990s

31:36

that, after converting to Islam and changing

31:38

his name from Williams to Muhammad, he

31:40

sprang to the attention of authorities for

31:43

violating a court order by contacting his

31:45

ex-wife and kidnapping his tree children. Muhammad

31:48

lost his mother to cancer when he was just

31:50

three years old. One theme that

31:52

comes up quite often in his life is

31:54

just how well-liked he was. His

31:56

old friends praised his neighbourhood protector

31:58

status. school days he

32:01

seemed to have everything going for him.

32:03

He was a keen and unpopular athlete

32:05

growing up in school, he was well-liked,

32:07

respected, and that continued throughout his soldiering

32:09

years. Muhammad's first marriage ended

32:11

early in the 1980s and

32:13

he got married a second time to Muldred

32:15

Denise Williams in 1988, a

32:18

year after he converted to the Nation of Islam.

32:21

During their marriage a couple appeared like

32:23

a model American family. Oh, oh, and

32:25

I'll just real good people. But

32:27

once the marriage broke and down the

32:29

truth came out and affidavits filed during

32:32

the divorce painted Muhammad as a seriously

32:34

violent and troubled man. After

32:36

years of abuse when Muldred finally broke

32:38

free from her husband, he

32:40

uttered the following chilling promise to her. He

32:43

said, you become my enemy and as my

32:45

enemy I will kill you. There was no

32:47

reading between the lines of that one. Yeah, exactly.

32:49

Well, I mean, you

32:51

know, I could really mean anything. Malvo

32:55

and his mother, Una James, met Muhammad

32:57

in Antigua and Barbuda sometime in 1999

32:59

and Una

33:01

and Muhammad they became

33:03

close friends, something she

33:06

no doubt regrets every day of her life. It's

33:08

also worth noting that the reason he was

33:11

in Antigua was because he had, well, that

33:13

was the aforementioned kidnapping. He stole his children

33:15

and fled. Muhammad and Malvo were very close

33:17

from the start and the two, they even

33:20

introduced one another as father and son, though

33:22

occasionally is slightly more accurately stepfather

33:25

and stepson. When the shootings

33:27

began, John Muhammad was 41 years old. We

33:29

Malvo 17 years old. They truly were

33:33

like father and son murderer.

33:36

The bond only grew when they did a tour

33:38

of homeless shelters together, bouncing from place to place

33:40

before the spree started. Yeah,

33:43

Malvo had some serious issues with like

33:45

feeling abandoned. He was, he was on

33:48

the lookout for a father figure. Unfortunately,

33:50

he ended up connecting with Muhammad, who

33:52

was looking for someone to just control

33:55

brainwash and exert power over. Yeah. This

33:57

indoctrination involved teaching Malvo how to use

33:59

guns. watching viral movies, playing sniper

34:01

video games, and I said touring per

34:03

neighborhood in the US, cities, they couldn't

34:06

turn against the government. But what made

34:08

Muhammad's influence even stronger was that Malvah

34:10

was totally cut off from his family

34:12

and friends. Muhammad had such

34:14

a tight grip over everything in Malvah's

34:16

life from exercise, his diet, even

34:19

to what he was thinking, to the point

34:21

where he believed Muhammad was training him for

34:23

a mission, the mission you mentioned earlier. Mmm,

34:25

the secret clandestine spec ops. That one, yeah,

34:27

yeah. So he also took part in special

34:29

training exercises. One included standing outside in

34:31

the snow chained to a tree for hours to

34:33

learn how to withstand interrogations if he was ever

34:35

caught. You know, I had those interrogations over.

34:38

Exactly, they keep getting the cold things in the tree. Ah,

34:40

fine, I did it! Now,

34:43

like, I'm not trying to make any excuses for

34:45

what Malvah did. I don't think his... this made

34:47

him any less responsible for his crime. Just trying

34:49

to highlight what the nature of their relationship was.

34:51

Yeah. Pretty toxic. Yeah, I

34:53

mean, as you said, he can't excuse

34:55

what he did, but he was brainwashed,

34:57

dumb kid, eventually. He was groomed, yeah.

34:59

Yeah, yeah. And all this carnage they

35:01

did across America, these sprees of traveling around,

35:03

it wouldn't be linked to them for quite

35:06

a bit. But little did anyone

35:08

know, they were just getting

35:11

started. And, whoa! We

35:14

will, uh, let's pick up next week with the rest

35:17

of the story. It's... honestly, it's just

35:19

getting going. Yeah, yeah. Oh, we're just getting

35:21

started, folks. The DC Sniper decks haven't even

35:23

kind of started happening yet. We're going to

35:25

get to that in the next episode.

35:27

For now, you know, there's chilling

35:30

around, traveling America, and, um, shooting

35:32

people. Shooting up the joint. Yeah,

35:34

pretty disgustingly and disturbingly. It's messed

35:36

up. Yeah, it is. But

35:38

there you have it. Thank you so much for

35:40

listening to this whole episode of the Vast Chapter

35:42

podcast. I hope you enjoyed spending time with

35:44

me and Keith, and as I said, we

35:46

will pick up a part two of the

35:48

Beltway Snipers, the DC Snipers, the two dickheads

35:51

next week. Mm-hmm. Looking forward to it. Good.

35:53

I'm always waiting for Keith's final talk for

35:55

the day. My final talk? Yeah. Uh,

35:58

I don't know. It's just, don't be friend. Round

36:00

Man. Well wow right folks right

36:02

that down is all right. Thank

36:05

you Socialising Emmys! What mean she's

36:07

under? yes? really? talk see next

36:10

week as nice. As

36:15

he closed the merger, lena's pizzeria which

36:17

he owned. Shortly. Before midnight.

36:20

Oh, he owed a

36:22

pizzeria. to

36:24

same of the that. Figure.