0:00

All right, let's just do it. Okay, we're doing it live. All

0:03

right. Hey

0:06

y'all. Hey y'all, what y'all doing there

0:08

now today? Yeah, we're coming in hot. We are,

0:10

yeah. I'm looking forward to this story today. You

0:12

are? I am really. Really? I like these

0:14

old-time- Oh, by the way, I'm liking this is Keith. Oh yeah,

0:16

I should have been like 10 minutes in. Oh, by the way.

0:19

We shouldn't have just mentioned it. That's the fact that we

0:21

just don't even introduce ourselves to no one. Distrayed him. Yeah,

0:23

exactly. That's the way they do it, man. Yeah, I'm looking

0:26

forward to this one. I like

0:28

these old-timey, crimey ones. When

0:30

I was getting into it. So before we get into

0:32

the actual story today, I came across another mystery.

0:35

You did. Which I think you might

0:37

enjoy. It's okay. It's a bit short, but I think

0:39

you'll enjoy it. I have no, this

0:41

is fresh for me folks, okay? I'm locked in. Okay.

0:44

Have you ever heard of the Kentucky meat shower?

0:47

Is that when random meat fell from the sky? Yes,

0:49

we have. Okay, let's move on. All

0:51

right, I know this story. No

0:54

Keith, no, you can stop talking right now. No Keith,

0:57

you go. It was like a random bits of meat

0:59

or some shit fell from the sky or something. Yeah,

1:01

so let me take you back to the year 1876.

1:05

So the Kentucky meat shower was an incident

1:07

occurring for a period of several minutes between

1:09

11 a.m. and 12 p.m. on

1:12

March 3rd, where chunks of red meat just

1:14

fell from the sky in a 90 to

1:16

45 meter area. The

1:20

event was witnessed by one farmwife whose yard was

1:22

scattered with chunks of flesh described as to fill

1:24

a horse wagon full. Wow, that's a lot of

1:26

meat. I assume so, I don't know what a

1:28

horse wagon. I assume it's quite big. I assume

1:30

it's, I mean, yeah. What kind of meat was

1:33

it? Well, that's the thing. So at the time

1:35

of the meat rain, locals, they were puzzled

1:38

about what could have caused it. And to try and

1:40

determine what kind of meat it was, they

1:43

had some guesses. They had it. Yeah. Yeah,

1:45

yeah. Some people tried it. And

1:48

the guesses, they ranged from mutton to

1:50

bear meat. Some who were brave

1:52

enough to eat it, they said it might have been deer or

1:54

bear or horse or

1:56

possibly human. Wow, but definitely not

1:59

chicken. No, I think you

2:01

know go to yeah, what's the dark meat obviously

2:03

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, ah No,

2:05

what it would well do is it delicious? We

2:08

get some oil in well nobody said was

2:10

delicious. I think it was tried I don't

2:12

think they made into like a meal. They're just like picking

2:14

up off the ground turn on Yeah

2:22

Oh by the way for the phone I don't

2:24

think they know that about Keith you're a foodie

2:26

I do like food. Yeah, very good cook you

2:28

are actually we used to have our little dinner dates

2:31

When our wives weren't around Yeah,

2:34

no Keith's a very good cook he loves you're

2:36

always mad trying new food recipes and shit. Yeah

2:39

Yeah, it's funny cuz I always try new food

2:41

at home Were like you know me like when

2:43

I'm out in the boat I'd always go to

2:45

yeah You're a terrible eater like when it comes

2:47

to eating it. I am you're like I just

2:49

go basic bread

2:53

We went this really nice yeah about a

2:55

month ago we went out for dinner This

2:57

is a lovely Japanese right and all before

2:59

you're like yeah, I'm gonna try that thing Yeah, and

3:01

then as soon as we got there classic curry Alright,

3:10

and then you had all like the nice pair

3:13

wines and stuff and I like Follow

3:17

him. I believe what even that is a that would exotic. It

3:19

was just like a Ramon frickin

3:21

pork ramen. I wasn't even that like stranger

3:23

weird. I know it well It's a lot

3:26

more exotic my chicken curry. Yeah basic Delicious

3:31

by the way, yeah, I'm sure well. I'm I knew

3:33

it would be that's the way yeah Hey, listen you

3:35

always gotta go to classics. You know never be disappointed

3:38

Exactly, you know stay in your lane. That's it

3:40

man. That's it aim low and never be disappointed.

3:42

That's exactly it That's it well hey listen speaking

3:44

of aiming low and never being disappointed That's

3:48

kind of what this guy in this video

3:50

artist fucking how so he's talked about it

3:52

That's what this guy in this story kind

3:54

of did although sandhuber Huber the Batman The

3:57

ghost in the Garrett yeah, he aimed

3:59

low and he was never disappointed. That's true,

4:01

yeah that's a good segue in man. Thank you, thank

4:03

you. I'm trying to, I'm working on my segues. Yeah

4:06

it was good, it was good. Thank you. Well let's

4:08

let the listeners decide. If you like that segue let

4:10

me know and if you didn't like it, I

4:13

don't care. Keep it a second. To

4:16

set the scene, on a hot summer

4:19

evening, August 22nd, 1922, if you can believe

4:21

that, August

4:23

22nd, 1922. What do you

4:25

think happened that day Keith, in history? Not

4:27

this story, something else. It

4:29

was not the day the ice age ended. I know

4:31

that's what you were going to say. Yeah that was

4:34

spring, what day was that? That was August 22nd, I

4:36

just, hello, haven't. Benito

4:39

Mussolini marched on Rome. Oh

4:42

okay. There you go. Come to your forgetting.

4:44

I know, I know, dumbass. Super.

4:48

Anyways, so that day Dolly and Fred Osterreich, I'm

4:50

not going to say it that way every time

4:52

by the way, I'm probably going to butcher the

4:54

pronunciation of their name, they got back

4:56

to their home. Their home was located at 858 North

5:00

Andrews Boulevard in

5:02

the city of angels. LA

5:05

they call it. They

5:07

got home after a night of partying with friends and this

5:10

was 1922 partying, you know, you

5:12

got like Gatsby partying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

5:14

You probably were. What were those things

5:16

called? Women dressed, the style for women

5:18

back in the 20s. What's that

5:20

called again? The Roar in 20s, it was, what's

5:22

that called? It was all frilly stuff wasn't it?

5:24

Yeah, we had the short hair. What's

5:27

the style called? I think it's 1922. It's called

5:29

the 1920s though. No, it had a

5:31

name for it. People are like

5:34

screaming at the moment. Yeah, I know.

5:36

Flappers, that's what it is. Flappers. Flappers,

5:38

yeah, yeah. So they look kind of

5:40

cool. And so Fred, Dolly, they're out

5:43

there drinking cocktails at the bars where

5:45

everything was art deco, very noir LA

5:47

style and then they got home this

5:49

night to their house. However, upon entering

5:51

the door suddenly Fred found

5:54

himself staring down a ghost from

5:57

his past in their living room. Only

5:59

this ghost. was aiming two guns

6:01

square at him very nice by the way dual

6:04

action that's pretty cool that's it yeah when one just one

6:06

cut us exactly you gotta have two why have one gun

6:08

when you can have two that's what i say you gotta

6:10

buck up why not three go

6:14

for keep going hey can we take this so

6:17

why this ghost with two guns was there

6:19

why he was aiming the guns at them

6:21

and what happened next uncovered one

6:23

of the most bizarre and

6:25

unbelievable stories you could imagine

6:28

so buckle up buckaroos

6:30

this is a wild this is a really wild

6:32

story yeah it's very good this is one when uh

6:34

keith by the way fair fair play to you do

6:36

all the research for this one so when i was

6:38

reading for your research this is definitely a story where

6:40

i was like holy shit like i

6:42

couldn't believe some of the shit that happens in

6:44

the story but you know what let's stop um

6:46

blowing our load and let's get into it okay

6:49

no more tangents no more tangents well we'll see

6:51

what's your favorite type of what's your favorite type

6:53

of frog you know that's that's my gotta

6:55

be a bullfrog this

6:57

scandalous story kicks off in milwaukee

7:00

wisconsin aka brew city hey it's

7:02

similar time i'm all right and

7:05

it revolves around a particularly seductive

7:07

homemaker known as das gogali's

7:10

dolly born in 1880 wall

7:13

burger wall

7:15

burga dolly core shelly

7:17

i would change my fucking name today

7:19

with my name was wall burga her

7:21

parents hated her i don't

7:23

i don't know where dolly came from because it

7:26

was it was wall it was wall burger for

7:28

ages and then ever in our words it was

7:30

yeah i mean wall burger yeah yeah i mean

7:32

i don't understand any kind of like way you

7:34

can kind of cutify yeah wall burger wall that's

7:36

i mean for a woman that's not a good

7:38

name a man could probably get away with wally

7:41

yeah i mean wally yeah walter like wallie wallie

7:44

woman it's not great burger come

7:46

on even worse so she dolly

7:49

dolly was a german immigrant who

7:51

grew up in the milwaukee wisconsin

7:53

and this part of america Back

7:56

then like it is today, it's surrounded by

7:58

community fellow German immigrants. The very heavily

8:01

a German a part of America

8:03

I'm an in her early twenties

8:05

she tied the knot. Would fret

8:07

authorized another German immigrants who happens

8:09

to be as soon to owner

8:11

of a thriving apron factory something

8:13

a fact which I'm sure did

8:15

not slip by our dollies. attention.

8:18

See funnily enough, by the way,

8:20

Fred German immigrants his surname on

8:23

strike means Austria. So which is

8:25

it? Fred earpieces? she is. So

8:27

the couple made their home in

8:29

Milwaukee. But the emergency Fred and

8:31

Dalia wasn't exactly a walk him

8:33

a. Fred. Was both

8:36

a worked all it's beer me

8:38

he and his on factory and

8:40

an alcoholic as best of both

8:42

worlds of with the ask me

8:44

and Fred piece of at work

8:46

and he left Dolly feeling only

8:48

hands taste a voice. Sexually unfulfilled.

8:51

Aprons came first before Dolly snazzy.

8:53

What happened I guess. So.

8:55

From the start of their marriage,

8:57

rumors swirled about Dolly entertaining at

8:59

various lovers at home while Fred

9:02

was busy at the mills. Is

9:04

he dollies? She had force and

9:06

insatiable sexual appetite. She was our

9:08

one for us. deeds of the

9:11

flesh of you might say. Oh,

9:13

she was. and Fred didn't quite

9:15

meet her needs in the bedroom

9:17

snails newspapers would later by years

9:19

later label her as a quote,

9:22

not events which are like that

9:24

and also calmly. Ah is that

9:26

a couple of Oliver and Co me

9:28

that's complete as as permanent that doesn't

9:31

Iii that's Nz Morris as the bus.

9:33

It's okay to us to measure the

9:35

L a times Even commented on her

9:37

eyes and her upsides would bring a

9:40

a long line of men into her

9:42

allies. so is she remembers when lands

9:44

she was I who I say. That

9:48

sounds a bit harsh, but you'll soon find

9:50

out that Delhi is far from innocent in

9:52

this man. this shit she gets of the

9:54

oh it's okay if. not most birth v

9:56

eggs are you so we can we use the same

9:58

her i want to isis vice versa Oh,

10:01

and by the way, I'll be the judge of this by the way

10:03

of what people wrote about her. Have a

10:05

Google To folks at home

10:07

who are listening to this even if you're driving have a quick

10:09

Google in your comments, fine Have

10:13

a Google of Dolly Osterreich and just see what

10:16

she looked like because She

10:19

busted, you know, she's the standard

10:21

of Naughty Van must have been

10:23

pretty low back in 19-20

10:25

whatever she was It

10:28

was a part like in her younger years. She was

10:30

very yeah cuz she was even

10:32

both in this picture I mean, yeah, she

10:34

looks like she's middle-aged in this picture, but

10:37

oh boy wolf like before she met Fred

10:39

She she she had a lot of male

10:41

attention though. I mean, maybe there was just

10:43

no Which women around either

10:46

the standard for hotties back in the 20s

10:48

was extremely low Yeah, I mean people lived

10:50

like nothing back then They probably had if

10:52

you had two teeth you were like the

10:54

hottest So anyways

10:57

enough about Dolly. Well, she does talk more about Dolly

10:59

So Fred was at work a lot of time and

11:02

so all the other fellows would go by Heavy

11:05

lolly go get their little nuts such whatever. I'm a good

11:07

time But there's nothing

11:09

wrong with it. No, no, she was married. Oh,

11:11

yeah. Okay, there is something wrong with it Yeah,

11:13

like before all and like like you do you

11:15

Dolly, you know, yeah, yeah over book. She was

11:17

married this day. Yeah, that's true Moving on Well,

11:21

this is why it's always fun to do stories from a hundred years

11:23

ago Cuz you can really say what you want about these people and

11:25

I'm not gonna offend anyway So

11:28

one day right while Dolly was at

11:30

the factory a sewing machine broke down

11:32

This is when Dolly first laid eyes

11:34

on 17 year old Otto San

11:37

Huber or a San Huber the

11:39

young repairman who worked for her husband

11:41

now It's thought he was of German

11:43

Jewish descent and he had been adopted

11:45

into the San Huber family Although his

11:47

birth name was likely weir Dolly

11:50

who was in her turdies at

11:52

this stage was immediately attracted to

11:54

the soft-spoken Unshy boy. Mmm, so

11:57

Dolly and Fred they did have a son

11:59

called Raymond But unfortunately he died in his

12:01

early teenage years due to a from what

12:03

I read it was like a lung illness

12:06

It wasn't too specific. I think back in the

12:08

20s. Yeah, just a lung else like

12:10

lung yeah, and We're at

12:12

least some of the materials I came

12:14

across regarding this case suggested that she

12:17

might have been initially drawn to Auto

12:19

because he reminded her of her late son, which

12:21

is incredibly creepy It is very creepy, but he

12:24

was also he was an orphan as well So

12:26

I think that's I think he wanted to be

12:28

motored and she yeah very weird Yeah, because

12:30

like although he wasn't a very handsome lad

12:32

So they reckon that she may have had

12:35

these maternal feelings towards him and mixed in

12:37

with grief Which then developed into an attraction?

12:39

but yeah, I really hope that isn't the

12:42

case because what they go on to do

12:44

together is That

12:46

Todd is pretty sick. Yeah, that's that's

12:48

gross. That's pretty good. So I hope

12:51

she yeah, especially moving on So

12:54

in 1913 Dolly pretending there was a

12:56

problem with her sewing machine I asked

12:58

Fred to send Otto over to the

13:00

austere ik's daily home to make a

13:02

repair However, when Otto

13:05

showed up Dolly greases him at

13:07

the door wearing only

13:09

a robe and Socking she

13:11

was in the nip Very

13:15

nice. Yeah, and so

13:17

this was the beginning of Dolly

13:19

and Otto's passionate affair Which would

13:21

eventually end? murderously

13:25

nice nice Over

13:27

the next three years the factory boss

13:29

lady and the handy repairman kept their

13:31

little romance on their wraps Dolly

13:34

would sneak off to Otto's boarding room

13:36

sometimes and they'd splurge on a cozy

13:38

hotel getaway Otto often dropped

13:40

by Dolly's place when she was sick or

13:43

her hobby was off to another one of

13:45

his late-night lodge meetings Otto

13:47

once claimed that the two once made

13:49

love no less than eight times in

13:51

a single Existy filled night sounds like

13:53

a lot of fun. I'm glad they're

13:55

having a good time and then you

13:57

remember he was 17 being groomed to

13:59

shoot She was 33, who may have been

14:01

into him because he looked like her son. Mmm,

14:04

yeah, messed up. Yeah. So

14:06

things they couldn't keep chugging along as

14:08

they were forever. A nosy neighbor caught

14:10

onto young Otto's frequent visits and eventually

14:13

spilled the beans to Fred. Suspicious,

14:15

Fred decided to have a chat with his wife.

14:18

Don't be much. Dolly, cool as a

14:20

cucumber, spun a tale about a pesky

14:22

book salesman bothering her, claiming she shut

14:24

down his visits and he wouldn't be

14:26

a problem anymore. Dolly then

14:29

thinking, how am I gonna get Otto

14:31

over nowadays with the frickin' nosy pizza

14:33

around? She hatched a genius.

14:35

Fine. She, fucking hell. Uh,

14:38

suggested Otto, hey listen I got

14:40

a space for you right here, but I'll move into

14:42

the attic to avoid any further prying eyes. She

14:45

sweetened the deal by mentioning free room

14:47

and board for Otto. Plus it meant

14:49

he could be closer to his beloved

14:52

Dolly all the time. Sure

14:54

Otto had to give up his repair gig,

14:56

but who cares? He had his

14:58

own dreams, so dreams of becoming a right whore.

15:01

And so this arrangement would give him all

15:03

the time in the world to hone his

15:05

skills. Listen, say up in the attic, write

15:08

your little scribble, do your little scribbles, and

15:10

then you come down and you bang Dolly.

15:12

Yeah, doesn't get much better than that. Right?

15:15

Up in the attic they spruced things up a

15:17

bit, tossed in an oil lamp, a cozy mattress,

15:19

and even a pot to piss in. Otto

15:22

also brought along some reading materials

15:24

and basic writing supplies. So during

15:27

the day Otto played Mr. Clean.

15:29

He tackled all sorts of household

15:31

chores like sweeping, dusting, dishwashing, veggie

15:34

peeling, preparing stuff, you name it.

15:36

Man about the house. When the awestrikes

15:38

hit the town or Fred was off doing

15:40

his own thing Otto could finally stretch his

15:42

leg, he could sneak out of his hideaway

15:44

for some nighttime strolls, do whatever. And

15:47

Dolly made sure to slap a padlock

15:49

on the attic door holding onto the

15:51

key herself to make sure Fred didn't

15:53

accidentally stumble up into the attic. So

15:56

Otto was basically kind of a sex slave.

16:00

Not just a sex slave, a slave in all ways,

16:02

and he was just too young to kind of realize

16:04

it. Yeah, he was like, this is a sweet deal,

16:06

but like, no, no, it's just a matter of- Yeah,

16:08

you're a slave, you're Dolly's slave. You have to do

16:10

all the shit around the house for her during the

16:12

day and then have sex or whatever. Like, if you

16:14

switch to genders around, you got some Joseph Ritzle type

16:16

shit. That's the point I was trying to get at

16:18

earlier. Okay, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got there

16:20

in the end. Hey! Dolly,

16:22

I guess she made it work. She must

16:24

have been, you know, she could do it

16:26

all. Obviously, for Otto, anyway, she was blowing

16:28

his mind. So when Fred

16:31

did inquire about the lock on the attic,

16:33

what's the story with that? She replied, just

16:35

want to keep my fur safe, my dear.

16:38

Dolly had her factory gig to tend

16:40

to, so she wasn't home all the

16:42

time, but she conveniently played the sick

16:44

card now and then, giving her and

16:46

Otto some quality time together. No,

16:48

I know what you're thinking. I can see

16:51

no disadvantages to this arrangement. However,

16:53

there was a bit of a downside

16:55

to this setup. Otto found

16:57

himself living right above the woman he

17:00

adored and her husband. So whenever the

17:02

mood did strike Fred to have a

17:04

role in the hay with Dolly, Otto

17:07

just had to do his

17:09

best to, you know, put the fingers

17:11

in the ears and block out that

17:13

noise. But, you know, hey, listen,

17:15

must not have been that bad because Otto,

17:18

he ended up staying in that attic for

17:20

five. Not days, not weeks. He stayed up

17:22

there for five years. Wild,

17:25

isn't it? Yeah. Like Otto, as you said earlier,

17:27

he ended up this sex slave for Dolly. Later,

17:29

Otto, he described what an average day for him

17:31

would be like. So now you mentioned some of

17:34

this already, but from his words, he said, I

17:36

made up the beds and changed the linen about

17:38

two times a week. They love to sleep clean.

17:41

And I made up the beds for them and

17:43

put away their clothes and dusted Fred's clothes because

17:45

he had some beautiful things and

17:47

I would keep them in order for him and

17:49

dust him and dust his shoes, you know, so

17:51

he would always look nice. And then- Taking care

17:53

of him, I guess. Yeah, pretty much. Then

17:55

I would wash the dishes if he wasn't

17:58

home. And if he was home- he

18:00

would wash them and Dolly would, well actually

18:02

he said Mrs. Osterreich. So he'd always, he'd

18:04

always talk about her as, he

18:07

never said Dolly. I know, he mentioned, it was

18:09

always Mrs. Osterreich. That kind of makes it kind

18:11

of worse. She never stopped being this authoritative figure

18:13

towards him. Yeah. Well, they weren't on a first

18:15

name basis. Eo said he

18:18

scrubbed the floor and kept it clean. He

18:20

kept the floor neat, you know. She loved

18:22

to have a beautiful floor and dust at

18:24

it, you know. So he

18:26

also said that he would make a lot of

18:28

dinners, which Fred would then enjoy. He

18:30

was actually in the attic so long

18:32

that when he went in, you could

18:34

still legally buy alcohol in the United

18:36

States. But when prohibition kicked in, one

18:39

of Otto's new duties was to make

18:41

a bathtub full of gin for both

18:43

himself and Dolly to stay lubricated for

18:45

the whole sex section. Nice. Well,

18:49

so they had him doing it all. So

18:51

even though Otto Sanhuber was cooped up in

18:54

the attic with only Dolly for company, in

18:56

his mind, he escaped with his mind palace.

18:58

He was off on all sorts of wild

19:00

adventures. And he did not keep those fantasies

19:03

to himself. He did follow his dream. Listen,

19:06

live your dream, you know, stay up

19:08

in an attic, be a slave. And he spent most

19:10

of his time, his free time, whatever little free time

19:12

Dolly allowed him, when she didn't have chores for him

19:15

and shit to do. Jesus, like he

19:17

had a fucking wife or something. Hey! He

19:20

spent most of his free time writing pulp fiction

19:22

stories. He would pass these

19:24

tales and short stories on to Dolly, who

19:27

would type them up whenever Fred wasn't around,

19:29

and then Dolly would send them off to

19:31

these pulp magazines back in the day. Like

19:34

any aspiring writer, Otto's first attempts

19:36

were met with those dreaded rejection

19:39

slips, but Otto was not one to

19:41

give up easily. After all, sure what else

19:43

would he be doing? Eventually he

19:45

did in fact manage to get some of his stories

19:47

published under a pen name. Do you think he can

19:49

find them? Is it possible to find them? Are they

19:51

still? I think there were just

19:54

so many short pulp stories. Back in the day,

19:56

they're... Because

19:58

I really wanted to read them. Yeah, I know, I'm

20:00

wondering, all these stories are set in an attic

20:03

for some reason. Hahahaha Now,

20:06

you may be wondering how Fred

20:08

remained completely oblivious to a man

20:10

living in his attic for five

20:13

entire years. Well, Fred, for one.

20:15

He was a raging alcoholic, so

20:17

we're not exactly dealing with the

20:19

most perceptive guy here. But to

20:22

be fair, Fred did notice, hmm,

20:24

few beard-scratching moments along the way.

20:26

About a year into Otto's attic

20:29

residency, Fred started getting spooked by

20:32

some strange sounds. There was one

20:34

night he was in bed with Dolly, right when he

20:36

swore he heard what sounded like a dude clearing

20:40

his throat. And you could just

20:42

hear like, something wanking in

20:44

there. And you could just hear this would

20:46

be beating off, oooh, and you could just

20:48

be like, Dolly, no, always quickly. And he's

20:50

brushed off, told, told Fred you're just hearing

20:52

things go back to sleep. But Fred was

20:54

not bawling it. He was convinced there was

20:56

somebody in his house. There was something strange

20:58

going on here. He had that feeling. However,

21:01

Dolly just pulled one of the old gaslighting

21:03

playbook, suggested it's probably just a pesky rat

21:06

or a mouse, or that Fred had had

21:08

one too many drinks. Classic move. You're drunk

21:10

again. Just pulling that one. I was about

21:12

to be in a bed, just here for

21:15

my drink. What was that?

21:17

No, probably a mouse or something. Hahahaha

21:23

Yeah, you're probably right. There

21:25

was one time, so when Dolly and Fred

21:28

were going out one evening, Dolly, she left

21:30

the trap door open. She would leave the

21:32

trap door open to the attic. And then

21:34

when Otto, he heard their front door close,

21:36

he would scurry downstairs and he'd gorge on

21:39

like rye bread and cheeses and liverwurst and

21:41

all that good German food. Yeah. But Fred,

21:43

he would- Delicious liverwurst. Mmm. But Fred, he

21:45

would often wonder where all the food was

21:47

going and why he was getting such meager

21:49

portions of meat, when like, only yesterday he'd

21:52

seen a full roast on the dinner table,

21:54

but Dolly would once again gaslighting him that

21:56

he'd eaten it the night before when he

21:58

was piss drunk. Hahaha, yeah. There

22:00

was like a fat bastard. You know food

22:02

is like starving. Yeah Okay, most of it

22:05

There was one day when Fred was doing

22:07

a bit of work in the garden and

22:09

something caught his eye up the window in

22:11

the attic He caught a brief glimpse of

22:14

what appeared to be a figure before it

22:16

swiftly disappeared from sight Which is actually quite

22:18

like creepy very creepy Yeah, so Fred he

22:21

ran inside shouting to Dolly that someone was

22:23

in the attic He knew it I said

22:25

something else but Dolly urged him to relax

22:27

suggesting that he might he's just overreacting To

22:30

something he taught he'd seen and she

22:32

volunteered to investigate the attic herself But

22:34

despite Fred's insistence of going up Dolly

22:36

she persisted and in true to form

22:39

She got her way when she came

22:41

down from the attic She said in

22:43

a real caring voice Fred even working

22:45

too hard at the factory. You're just

22:47

seeing things There's nothing up there. Promise me

22:49

you go to a doctor. Yeah, there's something mentally

22:51

wrong with you You're

22:54

not well So

23:00

over time Fred continued to think he

23:02

was going mad or even being haunted

23:05

as he started to see shadows Out of the

23:07

corner of his eye at night and even

23:09

noticed that some of his cigars were disappearing Fred

23:12

did eventually go to see a doctor who

23:14

at one point said he was likely working

23:16

at the factory too hard and told him

23:18

To take easy and he also wrote him

23:20

at a prescription for a tranquilizer to calm

23:23

him down It's actually had it was actually

23:25

really good for Dolly because when he was

23:27

on these tranquilizers news out of it completely

23:29

Yeah, she was up to the attic. Yeah,

23:31

I imagine back in 1920. She just tranquilizer

23:33

is probably just I don't know hardcore drugs

23:35

Academy Hard for shit

23:37

good old days However, this

23:39

did not stop Fred's well justified

23:42

paranoia And he decided that they

23:44

would move out of their Milwaukee home and to

23:46

Los Angeles now you would think right? I can

23:48

hear I hear you're barking big dog as you're

23:50

listening to this This would be a perfect chance

23:53

for Dolly to spill the beans That

23:55

the affair to end it set Otto

23:57

free to do his own thing, right?

24:00

They can't you know this can't continue.

24:02

They're moving across the entire country. Yeah,

24:04

it's fun. Well, I'll ask that No

24:06

is it? No

24:10

You think that'd be you'd be wrong Dolly had

24:12

no intention of ending things at all Dolly

24:14

told Fred She would move

24:16

to California on one condition

24:19

the house must have an

24:22

Attic a Very

24:25

peculiar demand, but hey Fred's thinking no skin

24:27

off my sack It was an attic or

24:29

no addicts are pretty common in houses So

24:31

that's not like a big deal after all

24:33

as they say happy wife happy life So

24:35

he found a large nice home with

24:38

an attic on North st. Andrews place

24:40

in an affluent part of town and

24:43

Otto didn't put up too much of a

24:45

hey listen California beats

24:47

Wisconsin You

24:52

got to get out anyway So

24:54

later he would say that he was willing

24:56

to live cooped up in an in Attics

24:58

in order to be near the only person

25:00

in the entire world who cared which is

25:03

Kind of sweet and very pathetic

25:05

Yeah, and so Otto went

25:07

with him He made his way out

25:09

to LA and resumed his life of

25:11

making love to Dolly and doing housework

25:13

during the day This

25:16

then went on for another four years

25:20

So that is until the

25:22

fateful day where we began on the evening

25:24

of August 22nd 1922

25:27

so yeah Otto had been

25:29

living combined in Dolly and Fred

25:31

ostrich's attic for nine Years

25:34

in total almost a decade living

25:36

it willingly living in the

25:38

apartment in the attic Yeah, as

25:41

we mentioned at the beginning on this

25:43

particular evening The ostrich's had just arrived

25:45

home after a night of partying with

25:47

friends. They were dancing They were drinking

25:49

cocktails if this was during a prohibition

25:51

or no, I don't know They were

25:53

listening to ragtime the entertainer all that

25:56

good stuff and they were having

25:58

a heated argument as they walked through the door Which

26:00

Otto could hear from his addict well,

26:02

and he was thinking uh-oh, not my

26:04

not my beautiful dolly Thinking

26:07

Fred was attacking dolly Otto went down

26:09

a little hole which actually led into

26:11

the bedroom closet Where

26:13

he found two of Fred's 25 caliber pistols

26:16

he grabbed them do a hand at him

26:18

because he thought I'm gonna be a badass

26:20

This is cool. Yeah, I look so fucking

26:22

cool right now And

26:24

he went through the kitchen to confront Fred Fred

26:27

was as you can imagine surprised

26:29

To find a man in his house and

26:32

he tackled Otto and wrestled for the guns

26:35

in the struggle They gun went off

26:38

the first bullet hit the ceiling the

26:40

next tree bullets Hit Fred

26:42

directly in his chest killing him instantly

26:44

the old it actually went off four

26:46

times guys Otto

26:49

thought they could stage the scene to make it

26:51

look like burglars had broken in and Murdered

26:53

Fred panicking and thinking what to do

26:56

as people would have heard those

26:58

gunshots So they had to act fast surprisingly

27:01

Otto actually took charge this time

27:03

and a scared dolly followed his

27:05

lead Otto removed the

27:07

diamond studded chain watch from Fred's

27:09

body then locked dolly in a

27:11

closet dropped the key

27:13

onto the floor before hurrying back

27:15

upstairs to his little hideout scurrying

27:17

away like a little rat and Yes,

27:20

a neighbor alerted by the gunshots called

27:23

the cops who arrived promptly They

27:25

heard dolly sobbing from behind the

27:28

closet door in the couple's bedroom

27:30

The key lay on the carpet a few feet away

27:33

from the door and when the police got dolly out

27:35

She said someone had broken in shoved her

27:38

in the chest shot Fred

27:40

and stolen a bunch of

27:42

valuables including Fred's diamond watch

27:46

Chief detective Herman Klein He was on

27:48

the scene that night and when he

27:50

questioned dolly he had some suspicions about

27:53

what really went down that night Based

27:55

on the answers dolly gave and also

27:57

the crime scene itself. So

27:59

when he questioned her, he asked, did you

28:01

and your husband ever quarrel? To which

28:03

Dolly replied, Never. Even when

28:06

he pressed, she remained firm that they

28:08

never argued about anything, ever. Client

28:10

said he knew she must have been a

28:12

liar and have something to hide because all

28:14

couples have the occasional vice. To be honest

28:16

I think this kind of says a bit

28:18

more about the text of Client's comment more

28:20

than that. However he also felt that the

28:22

crime scene itself was odd. Only one item

28:24

could be identified as missing, the husband's diamond

28:27

studded watch which he mentioned. But Fred's

28:29

wallet was still in his pocket and

28:31

stuffed with cash. Which seems like a

28:33

very odd thing for a burglar to

28:35

miss when he's robbing the place. Then

28:38

after the crime lab determined that Fred

28:40

Osterreich was killed by a 25 caliber

28:42

gun, Client was convinced there was more

28:44

to Dolly's story than this burglary tale.

28:46

No burglar uses a 25 caliber gun

28:48

he remarked. That's a woman's

28:51

gun. No man

28:53

would use this gun. Again

28:55

I think this says a bit more about Client than anything else. But

28:57

in fairness to him he was 100% correct

28:59

with his opinion. So something

29:01

was up. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah

29:03

right church wrong pure ever.

29:06

However despite all these suspicions,

29:08

efforts to establish Dolly's guilt

29:11

were unsuccessful. A

29:13

significant obstacle to accusing her of

29:15

murdering her husband arose. Simply it's

29:17

like that locked room mystery. How

29:19

could she have locked herself in

29:22

the closet from the outside? They

29:24

really just didn't have any evidence to challenge her

29:26

story. And that let her go. Both

29:29

Dolly and Otto had now gotten away

29:32

with murder. No

29:34

that Fred was no longer around.

29:36

Hey listen they're free. Finally after

29:38

nine years of hiding their beautiful

29:40

love affair they were finally free.

29:42

They can be together. Yes. In

29:45

the open. Yeah. Yeah one might

29:47

assume Otto would move into the

29:49

main house formally be with Dolly.

29:51

That's not what happened. Otto

29:54

chose to remain the attic. I

29:57

Like the Attic. I Am the Attic.

30:03

I have become addicts. Eight

30:06

bucks. even after Dolly left the house

30:08

or husband was killed, Auto followed her

30:10

to a new house to live in

30:12

her new ass. He was the Eisner.

30:14

Now it's not clear why Auto would

30:16

choose to see with the same routine.

30:18

It. When they no

30:20

longer needed Sue, however, Dollies

30:23

motive was a parents. See.

30:25

Dolly. See. Had aspirations of her

30:28

own, she started getting involved with a couple

30:30

a different guys in town. Delhi.

30:32

Started seeing a lawyer named Herman

30:34

as Shapiro and a guy named

30:37

Roy Klum. It. Appears that she

30:39

was only dating Roy Klum to help her

30:41

get rid of the murder weapon. She.

30:43

Claims to have a gun similar to the

30:45

one used by the robber who killed Fred

30:48

and asked Clung to dispose of it to

30:50

avoid implicating her in the murder. He.

30:52

Tosses into the library tar pits. Why didn't she

30:54

just get rid of the going herself? I think

30:57

she could have eat. I see a need to

30:59

Sarah a super guy I'm involved in it or

31:01

guy or was he greeters yeah this didn't I

31:03

never understood why she did this aware or them

31:06

for can forbid was order ports well of the

31:08

order gone she got her neighbor to buried in

31:10

his rosebush so she can people to do things

31:12

were on the got a cbc just get rid

31:15

of these guns herself when a nobody else would

31:17

know yo yo mommy more people in your scheme

31:19

here he is a know where to go in

31:21

there and. Book Jihadis is true. You

31:23

don't sit up civic ocean and throw

31:26

it in the like death or go

31:28

to the topic your some yeah Exactly

31:30

like so much chin I target Yeah

31:32

yeah. And as Dolly and

31:34

Herman Shapiro's relationship awesome that she

31:36

surprised him with a diamond watch.

31:39

Be. Very when she claims had

31:41

been stolen by her husband's killer.

31:43

When. Shapiro questioned her about it. She

31:46

casually mentioned finding a tucked under a couch

31:48

cushion, dismissing the need to involve. We see

31:50

had a killer stolen and he just children

31:52

are against run away with the rise and.

31:55

Meanwhile. does he had successfully used

31:57

clone for her purposes and promptly and

32:00

things with him. In a spikeful

32:02

move however, Roy Clum spilled the beans

32:04

to the police about the gun he

32:06

had disposed of in the tarpets for

32:08

Dolly. This led to Dolly's

32:11

arrest based on Clum's account. Despite

32:14

being in a rather sticky, I see what you

32:16

did there, situation, they managed

32:18

to fish the gun from the tarpets

32:20

and oh it was in no pretty

32:22

rough shape. While awaiting her

32:24

hearing, Dolly told Shapiro about her

32:26

half-brother who lived in her attic

32:28

and asked him to bring him

32:30

groceries. She said all he had to

32:32

do was tap on the ceiling of the bedroom closet

32:34

to let him know and he should come out. So

32:37

Shapiro went along with Dolly's request

32:39

to feed her half-brother. However, after

32:42

nearly a decade of limited human

32:44

interaction, the floodgates of confession burst

32:46

open when Otto finally had somebody

32:48

to talk to who wasn't Dolly.

32:51

Shapiro told Otto he should make a run for

32:53

it, make his way up to Canada while he

32:56

still could, just run for your life boy. Otto

32:58

however was pretty reluctant to do this,

33:00

but when Shapiro explained that him being

33:02

there could negatively impact Dolly's case, if

33:05

the police found out he had been

33:07

living in the murder house the entire

33:09

time, Otto packed his bags and made

33:11

his escape to Vancouver, Canada. Otto,

33:13

finally free, soon found a job working

33:15

as a porter, he changed his name

33:17

to Walter Klein and married a Canadian

33:19

woman. After time he did return

33:22

to Los Angeles with his wife but we'll get

33:24

there in a little bit. Meanwhile,

33:26

in court, Dolly's lawyer moved for

33:28

a dismissal of the murder charge.

33:32

No weapon could be connected

33:34

to the killing, there was

33:36

no eyewitnesses nor confessions. Reappearance

33:38

of the stolen watch, though mysterious, was insufficient evidence

33:40

to support a murder case. And so with that

33:43

the judge had no choice but to dismiss the

33:45

case, there already was no evidence there to charge

33:47

her with murder, she had gotten a

33:49

guy to get rid of her gun for her, which

33:51

is the same as the murder weapon, but that's not,

33:53

that's circumstantial evidence really. It appeared that

33:55

the killing of Fred Osterreich would remain an

33:58

unsolved mystery. For now. Shapiro

34:00

was apparently not bothered by the

34:03

murder suspicion or the strange man

34:05

in the attic. He decided to

34:07

move in with Dolly and Shapiro

34:09

and Dolly enjoyed seven blissful years

34:12

together. However, their romance hit

34:14

the rocks when they had a falling out over

34:16

money. So Herman Shapiro took

34:18

a page from Roy Clumb's playbook

34:20

and sought revenge by spilling the

34:22

beans to the cops about Dolly,

34:24

Otto and Fred's murder. Dolly

34:27

found herself once again behind bars

34:29

and Otto, who had just returned

34:31

from his Canadian getaway, was arrested

34:33

by the LA police. He cannot

34:35

go ever go to the right

34:37

place. He's always in the wrong place.

34:39

Like I know what he came out

34:41

to LA. Yeah. And then I was like, think about it.

34:44

I was like, he doesn't even know anywhere else. Yeah. Like

34:46

he was Milwaukee, he knows LA and he knows Vancouver. Yeah.

34:48

And I was like, where do I move then? Nah, back

34:50

to LA I guess. Yeah, exactly.

34:53

His wife was Canadian. If he just stayed up

34:55

there, he would have been all right. Anyway, the

34:58

media had a frenzy covering the sensational

35:00

case. Otto earned nicknames like The Batman

35:02

and The Ghost in the Gart. Otto

35:06

admitted to the killing, but argued it

35:08

occurred in a struggle over his guns.

35:10

He pleaded not guilty by

35:12

reason of insanity. He

35:15

admitted a killing but said I was insane rather than... His

35:18

defense played on the... Well, he definitely was insane. Let's

35:20

be honest with you. Yeah. His

35:22

defense played on the jury sympathies,

35:24

portraying him as a pawn in

35:26

the hands of a much older,

35:28

sophisticated and dominant woman. In

35:30

the courtroom, however, Otto was no longer

35:33

the fresh-faced teen who had caught Dolly's

35:35

eye. He was now a

35:37

sallow, complexion, unremarkable middle-aged man

35:39

with a receding hairline, round,

35:42

black horn-rained spectacles and a nervous

35:44

twitch, which made him appear pitiable.

35:47

In court, Otto testified about the nature

35:49

of their relationship, which really outlined how

35:52

much power Dolly had over him. He

35:54

explained that when they had disagreements, he

35:57

would starve himself as a way of protesting.

36:00

I guess I kind of take him back whatever little

36:02

bit of control he had over his life He'd nothing

36:04

else like this Yeah The only thing that he could

36:06

control when he would need anything He would stay up

36:08

in the attic space and only come down when he

36:10

would need it for chores, but not for anything else

36:12

Yeah, wink wink Eventually

36:15

Dolly she'd feel sorry for him and would

36:17

leave food outside a trapdoor as a gesture

36:19

of goodwill But eventually she would become annoyed

36:21

him at which point Otto would say that

36:24

he'd have to behave himself When

36:26

the lawyer asked did that have anything to

36:28

do with sex? Otto replied yes, sir

36:30

as a rule So, man,

36:33

she's like a succubus. Yeah, she really

36:35

is just sucking the very life energy

36:37

out of him The jury

36:39

had sympathy after hearing how Dolly kept him locked

36:41

up since he was a 17 year old boy

36:45

Essentially taking away any chance he ever had to

36:47

have a normal life in the

36:49

end The jury did not convict him

36:51

of murder, but did find him guilty

36:53

of manslaughter But look

36:56

was on his side the statute of

36:58

limitations for manslaughter was seven years

37:00

and it had now surpassed eight

37:02

years He strolled out as a

37:04

free man Otto resumed his

37:07

riding endeavors and to everyone's knowledge.

37:09

He did not resort to Attic

37:11

living anywhere else Dolly's

37:14

trial resulted in a hung jury and

37:17

the charges were eventually dismissed in 1936 She

37:20

found another companion and they lived

37:23

together peacefully until her passing in

37:26

1961 at the age of 80 Ironically

37:29

living over a garage in a

37:31

rundown section of LA so she

37:33

spent her final years living in

37:35

a sort of an attic And

37:38

with that ends the bizarre story of

37:40

Dolly the naughty vamp and

37:42

Otto, San Huber the Batman. Oh Wild

37:46

story. Yeah, there was a movie written about it in

37:48

1995 called the man in

37:50

the attic the names They

37:53

were changed for the movie, but Neil

37:55

Patrick Harris He played who Otto would

37:57

have been an an archer who's Barbara

37:59

is Which one's Barbara in Always

38:01

Sunny? Dennis' Mum. Oh!

38:04

Even in It's Always Sunny, she kind of

38:06

plays a similar character to Dolly actually. Yeah,

38:08

she played who Dolly would have been. The

38:11

older woman who hides her younger lover in

38:13

the attic of the house for years without

38:15

her husband suspecting. But

38:18

another silver lining to this for Otto. So

38:20

as bad as living in the attic for

38:22

Otto would have been, the United States stayed

38:24

entered World War I in 1917. And

38:27

he likely would have been drafted if not

38:29

for hiding away in a sex crazed ladies

38:32

attic. And so yeah, silver linings and all

38:34

that. Oh hey yes, yeah he could have

38:36

been killed in the trenches if not for

38:38

Dolly so listen, you gotta thank her

38:40

for something. It's either Flanders or the attic. Exactly,

38:43

yeah. It's not in between. I'll choose the

38:45

attic. I actually want to, before we end

38:47

this whole episode, I gotta thank a podcast

38:50

listener who emailed me before we were covering

38:52

this so they had no idea we were

38:54

actually gonna cover this story. Their name is

38:56

Essie and they emailed me a story, just

38:59

sent me an email with a short blurb of Alabama's

39:01

discount Dolly Ostrich, which is very interesting because they sent

39:03

me this email a couple of days ago. No way,

39:06

okay. Before we were recording this

39:08

one. So I don't have the full story here so

39:10

I'm just gonna give the cliff notes. But

39:13

this happened very recently in, I'm

39:15

actually reading news reports here in front of me so I'm not gonna

39:18

do a great shot of recording this, but this happened just in 2021 in Alabama.

39:22

So this is a, it's like the Ostrich

39:24

story only, there's a lot of meth involved.

39:27

There was Frank and his wife Tracy,

39:29

Frank Reeves and his wife Tracy. Okay,

39:31

let me read you just a couple

39:33

of sections of these news reports. So

39:36

an Alabama man was shot in the

39:38

chest and injured in a gunfight with

39:40

his wife's lover who had secretly been

39:42

living in their home for over a

39:44

year. So very similar

39:46

to the Ostrich story of Fred, Dolly

39:48

and Otto only, it was Frank, his

39:50

wife Tracy and then her lover,

39:53

Michael Amaker, or Amaker, and

39:56

they were all high on meth. Oh, okay. had

40:00

been living in Frank and Tracy's home

40:02

for over a year but again it

40:04

seems that Frank's husband never noticed because

40:06

he was high on meth and

40:09

then he was able to keep his presence

40:11

in the home a secret because Tracy provided

40:13

him with food when he needed it. He

40:15

also stayed hidden by urinating in bottles limiting

40:18

his trips to the bathroom. Police actually later

40:20

found bottles of urine in a room where

40:22

he had been where he had been living

40:25

and it seems that what happened here is

40:27

that Tracy again

40:29

all these reports are kind of very

40:31

vague because the police when they went

40:33

to the scene of this house in

40:35

Alabama they're also high on meth everybody

40:38

was basically incoherent quote too intoxicated and

40:40

incoherent to be interviewed at the scene

40:43

but it appears something like this that

40:45

Tracy she told her boyfriend that her

40:47

husband was an intruder. Oh okay yeah.

40:49

So it was a murder prior of

40:51

getting her boyfriend to kill the husband

40:53

who lived in the house the entire

40:55

time. This makes no sense. Um

40:58

yeah. Meth husband. Here's what the mobile

41:00

county sheriff's captain Paul Birch had to say.

41:02

People that are on meth you really can't

41:04

apply a normal rationale to their thought process

41:07

so you always have to take that into

41:09

account as well. Not only do they have

41:11

paranoia they can't keep their mouth shut so

41:13

if there was some kind of a diabolical plan it

41:15

is very possible Michael Amaker who

41:17

is the living boyfriend has told some other

41:20

people. He also said this is one of

41:22

the most bizarre cases he's ever seen. I've still

41:24

yet to figure out how somebody can be staying

41:26

in your house and you do not know it.

41:28

It's something I haven't seen in 30 plus

41:30

years. Apparently this Michael Amaker is well

41:33

known in the meth community. He's been

41:35

arrested multiple times and they've all been

41:37

arrested so the husband and the boyfriend

41:39

shot each other but it seems they

41:41

both have survived. If you look at

41:43

pictures of them they do you

41:45

know Breaking Bad the meth

41:48

characters they yeah character as

41:51

what they call them they all

41:53

look like them. Okay and most recently

41:55

which was in September of just gone

41:57

an arrest warrant has been issued for

41:59

Michael Amaker because he

42:02

failed to show up to trial. So there you have

42:04

it, it's kind of similar to the All-Strike one, only imagine

42:06

they're all on meth. And they're all redneck

42:09

trailer trash, whatever these people are. It's like

42:11

the updated version. Like if they're kind of

42:13

modern versions. Yeah, they're redo the movies type

42:15

thing. Yeah. In modern days, you know? Yeah.

42:17

So here's what happened. On the

42:20

night of the shooting, Reeve's husband Frank was

42:22

loading the car ahead of a planned trip

42:24

to the beach. Then Tracy ran out of

42:26

the house saying there was an intruder. Then

42:29

her husband Frank Reeve's rung the house and

42:31

Michael Amaker and Frank Reeve

42:34

shot each other and injured

42:36

each other. So the sheriff

42:39

even said this makes no sense. I just really

42:41

like the idea that the meth heads are still

42:43

planned trips to the beach. Yeah, you got a

42:45

house, sun's out guns it. Yeah, you know what

42:47

I'm saying? You can't tell a phone like that.

42:49

So this Tracy woman was hiding her husband, or

42:51

her boyfriend Michael Amaker in the house. He was

42:53

pissing in bottles, which is a little, I mean,

42:55

I think he even thought it had a better

42:57

name. He had a piss bottle. Yeah, man. And

42:59

then Frank was outside, her husband was outside packing

43:01

up the car. She went inside, told her boyfriend

43:03

there's an intruder coming into the house.

43:05

She ran outside, told her husband there's an intruder

43:08

already in the house. They ran inside and shot

43:10

each other, thinking the other was the intruder. Yep.

43:13

Hey, listen, meth not even once.

43:16

Well, there you have it. Sinead, folks, thank you so

43:18

much for listening to me and Keith. I hope you

43:21

enjoyed this whole episode of the That Chapter podcast. That

43:23

was good and enjoyed that one. Really fun. Yeah, yeah.

43:25

All right, Keith, give us your final

43:27

thoughts as we'd like you to do. I

43:30

guess I'll just talk him in the attic. I think I

43:32

might go home and check my own attic. Go to... Oh,

43:34

spooky attic. You have the horror. You don't have a man,

43:36

you have a ghost in the attic. Mine goes

43:38

through. I hope so, man. If it is a man, I need to

43:40

have some stern words, because Otto was the least

43:42

clean to play. Yeah, maybe he was the least clean to play.

43:44

Yeah, I'm still dirty. Yeah, I'm making gin in the bathroom. Have

43:47

you actually had any ghost encounters in the

43:49

counters of the ghostly attic kind? No. Lately?

43:51

No. Chilled out. Nothing noteworthy on me. I

43:53

feel like the bumps in the knife put like none

43:55

like it. Yeah. None the way home there. Yeah. Too

43:58

bad. Well, let's hope the ghost gets... back

44:00

together and start scaring you again. All right.

44:03

Sounds good. To the next one. Sleya! Thanks.

44:10

See, funnily enough, by the way,

44:12

Fred, German immigrant, his surname, Ostrich,

44:14

means Austria. So which is

44:16

it, Fred, you piece of shit? Get

44:18

your story straight. Yeah, do you think, should we

44:20

go out, all Elliot Stavler and the characters in

44:22

our story today? Well, I was like, you fucking

44:25

animal, which is it? Like start beating them, right?

44:27

We were talking about this the other day, Oh

44:30

man, Stavler, he's so unstable.

44:32

Oh, I love it. He's like the things

44:34

he does to the suspects in SVU is

44:36

like he should have been fired along. He

44:38

beats them up regularly. He lies to them, he

44:40

blackmails them. And these are half the time they're innocent people. Yeah,

44:42

like we were talking about it last week and there was one

44:45

scene where he was coming, he was interrogating someone. He was like,

44:47

I'm gonna rip your cherry out of the party. Not

44:49

okay, sir. He's like, Sherd,

44:52

are you fucking decent? Like slamming him into the wall.

44:54

He was even guilty in the end. He

44:57

rocks. Like that.