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Sorry, we just had one of those moments where we

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start talking about the topic for like about 10 minutes.

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We're like, we should be really recording this. Really good

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stuff. Yeah. All right.

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Hey, you and welcome. My name is

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Mike and thanks for joining us once

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again for another episode of the That

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Chapter infamous. That chapter podcast. I'm trying

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to, you know, make this controversial, maybe

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get us cancelled and probably do our

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great for our numbers. All

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right. Thanks so much for listening, guys. I'm

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joined here. You already heard his beautiful dulcet

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tones music to my ears. Stupid

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giggle of a laugh. There you go. It's

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there you go. It's Keith.

0:38

Hello, Keith. Hello. Good to be here.

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How are you? Great. I OK. Coming

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in hot. All right. All right. OK,

0:44

so I have a I went to

0:46

McDonald's earlier on with my daughter. Look

0:48

at you. And she got

0:51

a Happy Meal. She's three and she loves Happy Meals.

0:53

The toys. What is with the toys these days? I

0:55

mean, I still my parents are doing like a big

0:57

clean out of their house. And to show them like

0:59

a lot of stuff in the attic. And they were like there

1:01

was a box of toys and they want to keep ideas. I'm like,

1:03

no, 34. You can show me. It's

1:06

fine. But when I was looking through them, I still had some

1:08

of the toys from McDonald's Happy Meals. Really?

1:10

Yeah. Like there was one I remember in particular. It was

1:12

like a it was from when like Batman came out, but

1:14

it was Robin. And it was like

1:16

on his motorbike and you pull it back. So

1:18

the wheels rev up and he let it go.

1:20

And it goes off in circles. Ah,

1:23

wow. Really? Like really top notch toys. Yeah.

1:26

Back when the quality, you know, manufacturing

1:28

meant something. Yeah. And my daughter today

1:30

got this. She was like, because you give the option now, do you

1:32

want a book or do you want a toy? And

1:34

she was like, look, it's like a toy. My kid's not

1:36

a nerd. He's a nerd. But

1:41

yeah, so she got the toy and the

1:43

toy. It was a deck of Uno cards.

1:45

Oh, that's great. That sucks. It's awful. And

1:47

then before a couple of like the last

1:49

one, we were at McDonald's again, she got

1:51

like a toy again. It was just like

1:53

some cardboard crappy cut out thing. I

1:55

was like, what is that? That is lame. Honestly, lost,

1:57

but last night torn and destroyed within the day. Yeah,

2:00

up your game at home. Yeah, exactly. Bring out the

2:02

good toys again. Listen, if you want me to spend

2:04

my money Which I will regardless you better

2:06

bring back some good toys for

2:08

Daphne meals, which I don't buy but

2:11

I demanded This is a that chapter

2:13

statement official that chapter statement from the

2:15

that chapter podcast Co-signed to the fullest

2:17

extent my man by Keith. He's

2:20

writing a letter demanding good-ass toys Oh, so

2:22

if fear is complaint bring back the good

2:24

toys. That's it You today as being of

2:26

good toys that has nothing to do but

2:29

listen my tensions need work today We're talking

2:31

about something very very spooky, but you know what?

2:33

It's been a couple episodes Keith any spooky tales

2:35

from your haunted house because you

2:37

did get a Ouija board you get a Ouija board I

2:39

woke up during a night and that's

2:42

saying I don't know if I was like still dreaming cuz I woke up in the

2:44

middle night and There was like a

2:46

shadow in the room like just kind of off

2:49

to the corner a little bit I was like

2:51

dreary I'd have sleep in the kind of scene

2:53

the shadow and it moved back into the corner

2:56

Where the dark shadow is so we've got like the shadow

2:58

moved back into the shadow. Yeah, so you can see it.

3:00

That's yeah Yeah,

3:02

so weird. Were you having your night terrors? Every

3:11

single time I used him some references

3:13

on the daily But

3:16

no, it wasn't cuz I know what I feeling when I wake up

3:19

and I can't move I did so I woke up I see and

3:21

I was like still blue eyes. I took a glass of water like

3:24

I'm the kind of God and they turned like well

3:26

I didn't turn light off cuz I turned light in the hall

3:28

cuz I turned light on my wife would kill me. Yeah So

3:32

turn light in the hall to see and open the door. Yeah, it

3:34

was not there So I went back to bed then so but it

3:36

was because I was like half asleep Yeah,

3:38

it was like what's that a dream? Was it just

3:40

a weird shadow in the current windows weren't open so

3:42

it current wouldn't be moving but yeah

3:44

strange But apart from that nothing

3:47

really much else like I've been trying to kind of

3:49

because there hasn't been so much scary stuff I've been

3:51

trying to scare myself these days Watching

3:54

a lot of like spooky things on YouTube.

3:56

Did they do some great? And one the ones is

3:58

actually watching I've watched a lot of the the

4:00

shorts that the horror short oh yeah yeah like short

4:02

horror movies yeah I'm sorry yeah yeah yeah really like

4:04

them they're really cool but I find what other things

4:06

are really scaring me is the videos of people like

4:08

cave diving like probably getting these

4:10

I'm very I go through that phase as

4:13

well where I just google like yeah most

4:15

the serving a cave diving so just like

4:17

there's a couple of channels of guys who

4:19

do this belong king is shit let's attach

4:21

a GoPro to reds and like they're almost

4:24

dying yeah like this it's especially

4:26

the ones when it's underwater yeah I pushed

4:28

her scuba gear in front of him and

4:31

get truth yeah that scares you like hyperventilating the

4:33

bed I know I do it myself

4:35

though sometimes to torture myself I do in purpose

4:38

yeah like you just watch these videos these guys

4:40

like yeah and

4:43

he turned off like good nice yeah well

4:46

no I got like whoa thanks fuck I'm not

4:48

gonna do that I

4:50

got my life with that in the cave

4:52

right now yeah exactly well here you

4:54

go the lesson or you know

4:57

you could be listening to that check

4:59

that's true yeah we'll scare you happy

5:01

Monday if you're listening to some Monday

5:03

which is when most of our listeners

5:05

do because that's all right no

5:08

more of that now let's get into

5:10

today's topic and today's topic is a

5:12

creepy pasta and no not what's on

5:14

the menu at that Italian restaurant which

5:16

gave me the runs it

5:18

is a story a creepy and

5:20

fun story very quickly all too

5:22

horrifyingly real I guess is the

5:24

only way you can say about

5:26

this yeah that's when two girls

5:29

decided to appease the Slender Man

5:31

aka their own mental health issues

5:33

one of the girls was on

5:36

the receiving end of these disturbing

5:38

delusions which came all too real

5:40

for this small community of Waukesha

5:42

Wisconsin mmm-hmm terrifying Slender

5:45

Man Slender Man easy

5:48

towels yeah he is so let's

5:50

not start with the wear for the soul one let's

5:59

start with the weather. The date was May 31st 2014 and it started

6:02

out as a pretty normal Saturday for

6:07

most folks. The weather, nice that time of

6:10

year warm but not quite the baking heat

6:12

of the dog days of summer and for

6:14

one Greg Steinberg it was the perfect morning

6:16

for a bike ride. Headed out

6:18

for his morning little wheeling away, he

6:20

had no idea what had waited him

6:23

on the trail. Greg bike

6:25

through the woods in David's Park bypassing a

6:27

chained off area and carrying on. Now Greg

6:29

not wanted to typically break the rules but

6:31

this day he said to hell with it.

6:34

Some may say it was divine intervention

6:36

or an act of God. Not long

6:38

into his ride he came across a

6:40

figure lying on the ground. As

6:43

he rode up closer he realised it

6:45

was a young girl. Covered

6:48

in blood and in mud

6:50

the girl managed a week. Help

6:52

me, I've been stabbed.

6:56

Our case today takes place in Waukesha

6:58

Wisconsin. Waukesha is the native

7:00

American language, it means fox. Used

7:03

back for the first days of the

7:05

settlement because there were so many little

7:07

critters running around. Speaking of that Keith.

7:09

Really interesting. I wonder if it's the

7:11

same for the town of Slickpoo, Idaho.

7:14

Slickpoo, Idaho. Slickpoo ladies and gentlemen.

7:16

Slickpoo. I don't like a bit

7:24

of research for this one after a few glass

7:26

of wine and in my notes I have Slickpoo,

7:28

Idaho question mark, funny. Ding,

7:32

tick mark beside that one. I'll write down yes.

7:34

You're writing this like heat,

7:38

you mad man. I don't like drinking glass of

7:40

wine like that. So what's known as Spring,

7:45

I enjoyed it. What's known as Spring

7:47

City for its clear and refreshing spring

7:49

water. Waukesha is more known nowadays by

7:52

the Slenderman's setting because guess what in

7:54

2023 the water wasn't so great anymore

7:56

due to pollution, toxic levels of good

7:58

old radium and Well, droughts, there

8:00

wasn't really much water there to begin with. It's

8:03

also where that mentally ill, Darrell Brooks

8:05

Jr., he drove his van through a

8:08

Santa Claus parade in November 2021, killing

8:11

six people and injuring many

8:13

others. You know, it's funny, I've covered a

8:15

lot of cases in this part of America.

8:18

Wisconsin recently, I think one of

8:20

the more recent cases I did

8:22

is Mark Jensen, he poisoned his

8:24

wife. It's like, what's up with

8:26

that? Some parts of America, well I guess we're

8:28

just the world, but obviously I cover most cases

8:31

in America, it's like you're just real hot spots,

8:33

what's up with that? You know, explain yourself. Just

8:35

delve into that, what is that? Sometimes I do

8:37

wonder if there's something in the water in the

8:39

places where it just breeds murder, you know, and

8:41

everybody just gets to a killing. Yeah, well like,

8:43

I don't know, around that area they have a

8:45

lot of trouble with water. Isn't that like right

8:47

beside Michigan as well? No, this is

8:49

Wisconsin. Isn't that, Michigan is not that close, is it?

8:51

Or is it? Oh, maybe, oh I

8:53

think you're actually... Let's go with that. Yeah, this is

8:55

the Google off. Who can get a first? No,

8:59

you can get a fairy, you're actually, well I

9:01

mean they're close but not really close. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. I

9:03

mean close on that, but like, they're pretty, yeah. I think you're

9:05

the closer on my face. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

9:07

yeah. Well, folks, there you go. There you

9:09

go, there, there beside you, there we go. It could be the

9:11

water, who knows. So to your point, I don't know. Thanks

9:14

for the input. So aside from all the

9:16

murder though, it's a pretty sleepy place. It

9:18

exists along the Fox River and boasts a

9:20

population of just over 72,000 people with over

9:24

100 acres of parkland and 50 parks.

9:27

Very pleasant, leafy, nice little

9:29

place. Well, apparently it's

9:31

actually not so sleepy. There

9:34

is a, there's apparently a

9:36

mythical village of dwarves in

9:38

Waukesha County, Wisconsin. This village

9:41

is called Hauncheeville. Oh,

9:43

Hauncheeville, where all the dwarves live? I like that.

9:46

Yeah, you're right. So legend says that there

9:48

is a hidden dwarf village nestled deep in

9:50

the woods and is protected by an old

9:52

tall albino man with a gun. All

9:55

those are good. It

9:58

totally takes us out of this mythical. idea

10:00

we're having here. It's like the gnomes have

10:02

machines. But

10:04

if you're unlucky enough to get by

10:06

the old man and into the village,

10:09

the dwarves, they'll cut your legs off

10:11

from the knees down in the sort

10:13

of, you know, one of us. One

10:15

of us. One of us. Very cool.

10:17

That's a good wine research coming in

10:19

there. He's drunk.

10:22

Researching Keith is the best. So

10:25

to start, let's begin with one of

10:27

the girls in our story. Her name

10:29

was Peyton Lutner. She was born

10:31

in 2002 to Stacy and

10:33

Joe Lutner. Peyton grew up

10:36

to be a very empathetic kiddo.

10:38

Always believed in kindness, standing up

10:40

against bullies, never leaving anyone behind

10:42

or anyone out. So when

10:44

Morgan was the new kid at school

10:46

in grade four, sitting by herself, struggling

10:48

to make friends, Peyton sat with her.

10:51

In an interview much later she would say,

10:53

she was sitting all by herself and I

10:55

didn't think anyone should have to sit by

10:57

themselves. Very, very, very cute. Very sweet. Yeah.

10:59

Yeah. They look like a nice kid. Mm-hmm.

11:02

Teachers and other friends described Peyton as

11:04

the social butterfly of the group of

11:06

the tree best friends that anyone can

11:08

have. She would often dress up

11:10

as a cat, drawing little whiskers on her

11:12

hands and other kids in the school would

11:15

want to refer to the trio as odd.

11:18

Basically because they made up a weird

11:20

mixed group. Little sprinkle of everything in there. I

11:22

never know what you're gonna get. Something different. They

11:24

were definitely not popular and they kept mostly to

11:27

themselves. Morgan Geyser made up another

11:29

member of that trio. She was born May

11:31

16th 2002 to Matt

11:33

and Angie Geyser. She was referred

11:35

to as Mogo. That is awful.

11:38

Yeah, exactly. Mogo. What noise does

11:41

Mogo make? It sounds like a

11:43

caveman. It sounds like your dog.

11:46

Yeah. But that's what she was named

11:48

by her parents and her two brothers and before we

11:51

get to what we will get into, Mogo

11:53

had been a well-loved student often

11:55

staying after class to help clean

11:58

up. She loves her anime. We

12:00

do over I've never

12:02

I'm not an anime guy never watched it. Yeah, I've

12:05

never I've never seen my wife lips it yeah She

12:07

loves her anime. Yeah, not my not my job feel

12:09

to me Yeah, well in fact like I've never watched

12:11

it may have seen something. I'm I enjoy I just

12:13

don't take a look Mmm. I tree know what I

12:15

try to watch it try to watch this one. It's

12:17

called demon Slayer But

12:20

it just man it just goes on and on and

12:22

on and you're like boy. This is ever gonna end

12:24

I feel I'm good in that part of my life

12:26

I was like I'm getting older like I know they're

12:28

like I'm not trying on it. Yeah, exactly I'm narrowing

12:30

down my things. I'm watching the same five movies

12:33

Yeah, you know I realized I'm getting older as

12:35

my dad he would watch like the same movies

12:37

over and over again John Wayne yeah, well, I

12:39

yeah just cowboys general and I'm gonna be like

12:41

that 90s movies I'm like I understand

12:43

you watch the movies you love when you're growing up

12:45

No, it makes sense. Yeah, I'm gonna be like I'm

12:47

gonna be watching like 90s Frickin

12:50

Jim Carrey movies and the Blair Witch

12:52

Project on her feet when I'm like

12:54

drooling the old folks So

12:57

she loved her anime her American

12:59

Girl dolls and animals and Morgan

13:01

Mogo showed no signs of concern

13:03

for her mental health until later

13:05

on she'd be evaluated while incarcerated

13:08

Now it should be noted that Morgan's father

13:11

had his own mental health issues and had

13:13

been hospitalized four times for schizophrenia And

13:15

there were allegations. He was also abusive

13:18

sexually abusive I actually looked it

13:20

up because I didn't know if schizophrenia was

13:22

inherited or not So apparently just

13:24

because you're a mother or father is schizophrenic. It

13:26

doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to develop it,

13:29

too Yes, but it can make you more likely

13:31

to the accident for sure. I think I think

13:33

that's with most I'm

13:35

not a doctor but from what I understand

13:37

what most mental health issues they are like

13:39

semi-heredary Yeah, just like if your parents has

13:41

it means that the kid might be more

13:43

not that you're gonna get it Or you

13:45

have it, but you might be more just

13:47

predisposed. Yeah getting it I think you have

13:49

like these underlying genetics which yeah give it to

13:52

you and then it can be exasperated by Environmental

13:54

conditions for sure your surrounds. Yeah kind of

13:57

push off the edge done. Yeah. Yeah, I

13:59

definitely believe that like You know if you

14:01

believe like a lot of people do a

14:03

lot like addiction is just a mental health

14:05

issue So alcoholics if their kids will sometimes

14:07

have to be careful around alcohols because they

14:09

might just be predisposed to being alcohol Same

14:11

with drugs same with yeah, same with depression

14:13

and yes, it's free. I need a picture.

14:15

But listen, why do I know? You

14:17

know what folks we're gonna start giving you psychology

14:20

or psychotherapy advice and Throw

14:24

away the pills you do not need them lawsuit

14:26

incoming So

14:28

Morgan and Peyton continued on to become

14:30

best friends Peyton said she never had any

14:33

reason to think there was anything you know

14:35

sinister or evil about Mogo

14:37

name kind of a bit of a giveaway

14:40

Morgan isn't Morgan. That's um, I know

14:42

Morgan. That's what I'm thinking of the

14:45

Irish Evil witch from Irish

14:47

mythology is like the Morgan which sounds

14:49

like Morgan. It's like Morgan or some.

14:51

Yeah. Yeah That's

14:56

their own So

15:00

she admitted though she's bit lonely she had a

15:02

great sense of magrua that's what it's magrua

15:04

magrua Oh, that's from the episode we did

15:06

about Halloween. Yes. Yeah, look at you throwback

15:10

Six months ago folks. We did a Halloween episode. You should

15:12

give it again. It's a great episode Yeah, Keith for Keith.

15:14

What was that episode because you did a lot of the

15:16

research and the old Irish mythology So much about Halloween. I

15:18

think I enjoyed every moment right now I was like actually

15:21

I did like I'd reduce the script because I'd way too

15:23

much and like Yeah I

15:27

I can't wait for Halloween. It's we're recording this

15:29

in May six months. Hello. We we mentioned I

15:31

think we should do some live streams. We should

15:33

use the lights before that we should definitely like Halloween.

15:36

Yeah So

15:38

for the next two years the best friends

15:40

did things that best friends do at this

15:42

age They were playing together sleepovers told stories

15:44

that a lot of laughing a lot of

15:46

crying. They were inseparable until Dun

15:49

dun mother again, we get to the

15:51

final girl who makes up our trio

15:54

in grade six another new student

15:56

was Introduced to the class and

15:58

her name was Anissa Weir. Anissa

16:01

just so happened to live in

16:03

the same apartment complex as Eromogo,

16:06

so they started taking the bus

16:08

to and from school daily where

16:10

a dangerous friendship, a folie deux,

16:13

that means foie gras times is

16:16

time seduce, started to take

16:18

place. Anissa was born

16:21

November 10th 2001 to Bill and

16:23

Kristy Weir. She had

16:25

an older brother, William, and everything reported

16:27

about her childhood was seemingly relatively normal.

16:30

However, her brother has since gone on

16:32

the record, saying he remembers his sister

16:34

having a dark side, much like the

16:36

man sitting across from me, and

16:39

a rather intense obsession with the mythical

16:41

Slenderman. I think the brother was like,

16:44

no, she was messed up. She

16:53

was fucked from the start. I can see it now. I

16:55

called it. I called it. Finally, somebody

16:57

said, oh, we can never imagine her sweet

17:00

baby. It's like, no, she's going to

17:02

be all of that. Somewhere

17:04

along this obsession, William says the

17:06

line between reality and dream was

17:09

certainly blurred. But at the

17:11

end of the day, she was just a little

17:13

girl who truly did not seem to understand the

17:15

ramifications of her obsession or the upheaval it was

17:17

about to have on everyone around her. As you

17:19

said, William was the only brother, brother was the

17:21

only person that seemed to oh, she's obsessed with

17:24

this Slenderman. She's a bit of a psycho. She's

17:26

probably going to do something. And

17:28

she did. Like aside from

17:30

the major offense, which is the subject of

17:33

this episode, her family though reports her just

17:35

being pretty quiet and happy and normal outside

17:37

of that. Not really any huge red flags.

17:40

Sure she watched some creepy stories about

17:42

Slenderman on YouTube. My

17:44

search history is not great either, but it's definitely

17:46

not enough to think someone is capable of

17:49

what Anissa and Morgan would later go

17:51

on to do. So

17:53

with Anissa being the new one in the

17:56

group, Morgan took her under her wing and

17:58

they became fast friends. But there

18:00

was something off, something a little, a

18:03

little kooky, a little bit askew

18:06

about Anissa. Peyton would later

18:08

say she never really got on that well with

18:10

her, just didn't quite, you know, click in the

18:12

way she did with Morgan. But she wanted to

18:14

give everyone the benefit of the doubt because her

18:17

bestie was vouching for her, so she accepted her

18:19

also. So Peyton and

18:21

Morgan the twosome soon became a

18:23

treason. And this is

18:25

when things started to change. Things

18:27

spiraled big time. And Peyton

18:29

had no way to know her entire life

18:31

as she knew it was about to change

18:34

at the hands of the friends she trusted

18:36

the most. The introduction

18:38

of Anissa into their little square

18:40

now circle was catastrophic. Who

18:43

knows what would have happened if it had just

18:45

been Morgan and Peyton for the rest of their

18:47

school days. But it should be known that with

18:50

Anissa came the introduction to the

18:52

Slenderman. I

18:55

love, I fucking love the Slenderman. I love

18:57

urban legends and creepy pastas in

18:59

general. But Slenderman is like, is

19:01

like the best. I noticed once before the Slenderman

19:04

like internet legends and stuff, but he's still like

19:06

the best. He's the big dog. He is, he's

19:08

the top man. He's up there. He is the

19:10

top man. So where did he come from? Well,

19:13

it's actually a lot of fun. I mean, I'm going

19:15

to tell you a story now, but you can literally

19:17

go on to the forums and watch him being created

19:19

in real time because all the forums, I

19:22

just tell you the story. So Slenderman was the result

19:25

of a paranormal Photoshop

19:28

contest on the now

19:30

defunct something awful forum back

19:32

in 2009. I actually have

19:34

the forum. You can literally watch it. It's so

19:36

great reading the shred here on

19:38

something awful.com. It's in the comedy

19:41

gold mines and then it's creates

19:43

paranormal images. It's so funny

19:45

to watch. You literally see timestamps of

19:47

when the first images and then people

19:49

reacting to the image and everything like

19:51

that. So the original, everybody knows what

19:53

Slenderman looked like, but just so you

19:55

know, the original depicted as an abnormally

19:57

tall, thin man with no distinguishable features.

20:00

on his face, just a blank face, no

20:02

nose, no eyes on mouth, wearing a black

20:04

suit with a red or a white tie

20:06

and a white shirt. Sometimes the

20:08

drawings show him with tentacles growing

20:10

out of his back, so a

20:12

big tall guy wearing white, all

20:14

white with a black suit, black

20:16

tentacles. Basically, think Jack Skeleton with

20:19

no face. That's exactly it, yeah, Jack Skellington

20:21

but the face is just blank. Or,

20:23

do you know what I think would play, doing well in

20:25

a film? I think Steve Merchant,

20:27

I think he'd be good. Oh yeah! He'd be down

20:30

with him, Snoop Dogg, I feel he has the framework

20:32

first. He definitely would do it, he's very gangly. Yeah,

20:34

like imagine him in one of those morph suits. Yeah

20:36

man, he'd be pretty good with those. He'd be

20:39

pretty cool, come in. I

20:41

mean, yeah, I like that. So

20:44

originally created by Victor Surge, that

20:46

was the username, real name Eric

20:48

Knudsen on June 10th of 2009. As

20:50

I said, the webpage is

20:53

still up, you can view all the submissions

20:55

and Victor's of course, which should go on

20:57

to become famous. So yeah, the idea was

20:59

a competition to Photoshop regular ass images and

21:02

the competition makes them creepy, Photoshop them to

21:04

make them creepy. Most, honestly, you

21:06

can look through all of them, most

21:08

kind of bad, a lot of

21:11

just moody pictures and then a

21:13

lot of them are actually just moody pictures with really nothing

21:15

in them, others, or a shiddly

21:18

Photoshop ghost or

21:20

a shiddly Photoshop something into an image.

21:22

His one though is the one that

21:24

really kind of stands out. I'll use

21:26

his original image as probably as a

21:29

thumbnail when I post this podcast episode

21:31

on YouTube. So along with the images,

21:33

he also posted, he hinted at a

21:36

story, he didn't even just post images, he kind

21:38

of like hinted at a backstory, which I think

21:40

is what led the Slender Man to really kind

21:42

of take hold. So the two

21:44

images he posted, one is they're both black and

21:46

white. The first one he posted is, it's kind

21:49

of like kids in like 80s garb, they're all

21:51

facing the camera, walking towards the camera and then

21:53

in the background you can see a blurry kind

21:55

of white figure standing very, very tall behind them.

21:58

And then the caption with that one is Quote

22:00

we didn't want to go we

22:02

didn't want to kill them But

22:05

it's persistent silence and outstretched arms

22:07

horrified and comforted us at

22:09

the same time 1983

22:12

photographer unknown presumed dead That's

22:15

creepy. Yeah, the second one shows a

22:17

kid climbing a slide and

22:20

in the background under a tree is a slender man

22:22

with some kids beside him and The

22:24

caption for that one is one of

22:26

the two recovered photographs from the

22:28

Sterling City library blaze Notable for

22:31

being taken the day which 14

22:33

children vanished for what is referred to

22:36

as the slender man Deformities

22:38

cited as film defects by

22:40

officials fire at library occurred

22:43

one week later actual photograph

22:45

confiscated as evidence 1986

22:48

photographer Mary Thomas missing since June 13th

22:53

What was funky was Victor username Victor

22:55

real name Eric? He when he

22:57

started posting these he actually started passing the

22:59

photographs off as real like you

23:01

know And then he said she was just playing

23:03

along and making them, you know Pretending playing a

23:05

game and then his see his next comment on

23:08

the forum was two days later It was on

23:10

June 11th, 2009. Maybe I'll do

23:12

some more research I heard there may be a

23:14

couple more legit slender man photographs out there I'll

23:16

post them if I find them kind of like

23:19

with a wink then later on

23:21

that same day he posted a photo of a mirror

23:23

and Slender man photoshopped in

23:25

and below the the caption of the mirror is

23:27

so 5 24 24th of May 1995 And

23:31

then the caption is 1994 Wilkes

23:33

estate one subject reported nothing

23:35

out of the ordinary before taking photograph

23:37

Lower stairs area was said to be

23:40

very dark subject states that after the

23:42

camera flash She heard a sound like

23:44

a watermelon being and then unable to

23:46

understand subject Then the next

23:48

post is from a day later Like

23:50

it's kind of done in like a

23:53

diary format this posting subject unable to

23:55

recall events after manner power failure Unable

23:57

to question other to identified subjects camera

23:59

and film acquired from Gloria Cready,

24:01

current resident of Woodview Mental

24:03

Hospital and Psychological Rehabilitation Clinic. Film

24:06

mostly uncontaminated despite mass of blood

24:08

and human tissue present on camera.

24:11

No positive ID on anomalous tall and

24:13

sledder subject. Facial blur

24:15

caused by possible contamination." So he's

24:17

basically making Morty's post as if

24:19

they're real police investigation. So

24:26

he's already posted his police report and further enquiry

24:28

to cease immediately. So

24:41

then he posted a photo of a police report

24:43

from 1955, edited. So

24:48

it's essentially a police report typed up

24:50

in typewriter style, but then written on

24:52

it is in pencil. And

24:54

written on it is, this is really good, so this is

24:56

like written on top of the police report, fog rolled in

24:59

3 p.m. It appeared at

25:01

tree 17. Mark and Evan

25:03

went outside, couldn't cover them. Thick

25:05

fog. Screams and

25:07

sounds like laughter, but deeper. It's

25:10

out in the fog. What does it want? Slender

25:12

man kill us already, then blood drops. Like

25:14

on the picture of the report. He started

25:16

posting more and more and next he started

25:19

posting like kids drawing, supposedly what kids said

25:21

they saw in the world. A kid, at

25:23

the end of his picture, a kid drew.

25:25

And then other users started getting on with it, started

25:28

playing along, pretending it was real. And

25:30

it kind of took over essentially this contest. The Slender

25:32

Man just took over this entire contest. Here's

25:35

another post accompanied by a black and white

25:37

image of a misty forest and Slender Man

25:39

is like photoshopped into the background. And then

25:41

he wrote on this again, both subjects were

25:44

hunting in the Steinman Woods four hours before

25:46

sundown. The surviving subject states

25:48

that while hunting both men grew

25:50

uneasy as fog levels rapidly increased.

25:53

A constant murmuring sound accompanied by

25:55

a low hum eventually became apparent

25:57

to the two men an hour.

26:00

after the fog increased. An object

26:02

falling out of a tree struck one of the

26:04

men in the left shoulder causing him to discharge

26:07

his weapon. Object said to be

26:09

the body of a man of unknown age.

26:11

It was very precisely dissected, with

26:13

major internal organs still contained within

26:16

the rib cage in what looked

26:18

to be clear bags. Surviving

26:20

subject placed organ bag within backpack.

26:23

Attack followed several minutes later after a

26:25

low children's laugh like a vehicle. Surviving

26:28

subject ran until he reached his

26:30

vehicle. Subject then drove to assumed

26:32

safety. Backpack destroyed.

26:35

Surviving subject is classified as B7

26:37

witness. B7 witness to be

26:40

placed in quarantine, blind box

26:42

until resolution. And then 2007. Investigation

26:46

team discovered 22

26:48

bodies of both genders and various

26:51

ages impaled on broken tree branches

26:53

in a radiating surgical pattern with

26:55

chest mutilation as often noted with

26:58

Slenderman. Upon confirmation lead

27:00

investigator, redacted, called for an

27:02

immediate evacuation of investigation team

27:05

at 1700 hours. Bodies

27:07

first discovered at 1100 hours. Deadlined

27:09

for safe evacuation of team with

27:11

only viewed physical evidence of Slenderman

27:14

approximately 1730. Lost contact of

27:17

team at 1725. Safety

27:20

procedures fell within established protocols.

27:22

Reason for abnormality is unknown.

27:25

Second team recovered camera equipment one week

27:27

later. Slenderman safety procedures

27:29

required incidents physical photograph evidence to

27:31

be disposed of by no later

27:34

than 1020. So it's

27:37

like he's playing along, you know, making it seem

27:39

like he's a real police report he found of

27:41

this real life creature. It's very, um, the SCP

27:43

thing. That's what I was literally going to say.

27:45

It's very much, uh, I think SCP would have

27:47

well been up and running. Yeah. The SCP, uh,

27:49

site for those. I love the SCP stuff for

27:51

those out there who might also be fans of

27:53

SCP, but yeah, it's written like that as in

27:55

this is a real thing that's happening. Oh, good.

27:57

I think it's the, it's the simplicity of.

28:00

Slenderman which like really resonates with

28:02

people's fears so much. It's like this it's

28:05

this unsettling because it's a combination of these

28:07

humanoid features mixed with like an eerie lack

28:10

of Facial features which is

28:12

disturbing people. Yeah, it's terrifying. It's basically,

28:14

you know, the uncanny of value effect

28:17

and which it's this like primal

28:19

feeling of unevenness people experience when

28:21

like androids or robots and or

28:23

visual simulators They closely resemble humans,

28:26

but they aren't quite Convinciently

28:28

realistic. Yeah, it's kind of similar

28:30

to that dream picture of the dream man. There are

28:33

that viral picture of the dream man Yeah, yeah, it

28:35

was apparently, you know They visited numerous people in

28:37

in their dreams all around the world But the

28:39

picture of them and it's the same sort of

28:41

thing is like, you know the face but it's

28:43

like not a face Yeah, there's something a little

28:45

bit weird about it. Dored it or something. Yeah.

28:48

Yeah, it's very it's unsettling. Exactly Yeah, so

28:50

Eric and that's an who created the

28:52

Slenderman he said he was inspired by

28:54

previous internet urban legends stuff like the

28:57

rake and Essentially

28:59

from there from those original postings it took

29:01

off it took over places like reddit places

29:03

like fortune And he's like

29:06

YouTube people started making stories pictures

29:08

all that kind of stuff and

29:10

game huge I guess I think

29:12

that's why the creepy bosses they they work so

29:14

well It's it's when it takes that little bit

29:16

of truth Just you know just just

29:18

enough to draw you in and then I was like a

29:20

whole load of like spooky bullshit Yeah, yeah, I

29:22

can order that to be cool. I love the

29:24

city. Yeah, I love big bullshit Yeah, I think

29:26

a good example another example is will be have

29:28

you ever heard of Robert the doll? Name

29:31

sense. Is that one of haunted dolls?

29:33

Yeah. Yeah, it's often referenced in creepy

29:36

pasta story So the doll itself is

29:39

very much real. It's actually currently on display in

29:41

the museum in Key West, Florida Really?

29:43

The doll is incredibly haunted And like to be

29:45

honest when if you look at it, it like

29:47

it looks like it's all that Absolutely

29:50

terrifying it's time to be the judge of that. Okay,

29:52

you remember you you could ever at the doll Yeah,

29:54

it's kind of like it's it's big as well like

29:56

nearly the size of like a two or three year

29:58

old child I'm I wear a sailor Yeah, no,

30:01

no and the fact that it's big Yeah,

30:04

it's very big and I was like it wears like a

30:06

sailor outfit Very yeah, it's

30:08

very very creepy and a face expression. It's

30:10

like yeah, it's

30:12

not really a face. It's like yeah It

30:15

looks really really old. I don't

30:17

like it. It's very strange I'm

30:19

doing there is numerous creepy pasta

30:21

stories which often elaborate on On

30:24

this legend adding fictionalized details and

30:26

crafting eerie narratives around the dolls

30:29

Malvoyant influence so it's just

30:31

like ability to blend elements of truth

30:34

with fiction that makes it a great

30:36

creepypasta Which like it's not something entirely

30:38

new like people they've always used They've

30:41

always told folklore stories which

30:43

reflects beliefs and fears of like

30:46

a culture or community spring-heeled

30:48

Jack for now Sausage

30:51

yeah, so he's like so spring-heeled

30:53

Jack is He's one

30:55

he's one of the stories got passed around

30:57

by ordinary people claiming to you know, excited

31:00

spring-heeled Jack a leaping capes monster

31:03

Who said to have terrorized Victorian

31:05

England? We're like there's a difference

31:07

between folklore and this creepy pasta

31:10

Fake lore. Mmm, so creepy passes they

31:12

consider they like a form of modern

31:15

folklore And they often mimic the

31:17

style and structure of these traditional

31:19

folklore But they're created primarily for

31:21

entertainment purposes rather than being rooted

31:23

in genuine culture traditions So

31:26

the biggest issue I guess is what we're gonna see with

31:28

today's case is When disturbed children

31:30

come across these creepy passes and don't have

31:32

you know, the cognitive ability to Separate

31:35

fact from fiction right? Yeah, this

31:37

whole messed up. Yeah, so what

31:39

situation we getting? The

31:42

created powers for Slender Man are thought

31:44

to have he gives victims an Asia

31:46

coughing fits paranoia Which are all things

31:49

which kind of our girls will share

31:51

and these symptoms were eventually

31:53

called the slender sickness Which

31:55

is why you know, they would believe that

31:57

they were victims of the Slender Man because

32:00

They had those like paranoia, amnesia and

32:02

that kind of stuff. He was

32:04

said to live and reside in forests and

32:06

where they lived in Wisconsin was a particularly

32:08

leafy area. There was lots of forests in

32:10

this place. He said to stalk and

32:12

abduct his victims, mainly children, and these

32:14

people were children. The myth goes

32:17

on to say he can take his time

32:19

choosing his victims, sometimes sitting in silence watching

32:21

for years. Before it. Morgan

32:24

and his son Peyton had started sharing an

32:26

obsession, a dark obsession with Slender Man and

32:28

his stories and that he was real, the

32:30

whole, you know, kind of verse-millitude of Slender

32:33

Man and these kind of infinite legends. Well,

32:35

they bought in on it. They weren't just

32:37

like, oh, we're pretending it's real for fun.

32:39

They're like, oh, it's real. Kids are dumb.

32:42

But there you go. That's it. They started believing

32:44

this stuff. And Peyton would later say it wasn't

32:46

really her cup of tea, but she just kind

32:48

of went along with the whole Slender Man obsession

32:50

because otherwise she would feel left out and excluded

32:53

by Morgan and Anissa who took the whole Slender

32:55

Man thing and they just booked it. They were out of

32:57

5000. They were down the road with it. Where

32:59

Morgan and Anissa got the idea that

33:01

Slender Man would accept a sacrifice in

33:04

exchange for the safety of their own

33:06

family and loved ones. That's not

33:08

part of the Slender Man mythology. They pulled that

33:10

out of their own ass. So

33:12

May 30th, 2014 was two weeks after

33:15

Morgan's 12th birthday. And to celebrate, her

33:17

mother said she could have a sleepover.

33:20

Naturally, she invited her two best friends, Anissa

33:22

and Peyton. They went roller skating

33:24

that afternoon, driven to Skateland where there

33:26

were disco lights and top 40s bopping

33:29

on loudspeakers. They then returned back to

33:31

Morgan's Mogo's place just after 9 p.m.

33:34

where they disappeared into a room for

33:36

the night. They spent the

33:38

remainder playing on the laptop, goofing

33:40

off, before eventually settling down in

33:42

Morgan's bed. The three of them

33:44

squished into her loft bed with Morgan and Anissa

33:47

sleeping side by side and Peyton left at the

33:49

foot of the bed. I miss how it's called

33:51

sleepovers in that age. Sleepovers are good times. Good

33:53

times, my friendo. Yeah. Same about online playing video

33:56

games. Yeah, exactly. Trying to find porn. Always

34:00

failing whenever it wasn't easy like that. No

34:02

really was kids don't know how Everything

34:06

was seemingly normal the next day They

34:08

played dress-up and played around in Morgan's

34:10

house until eventually they asked Morgan's mom

34:12

if they could go to the park

34:14

to play Typically, they never

34:16

would have been allowed without an adult to

34:19

supervise But because there were three of them

34:21

going in a group. Oh goes mother said

34:23

hell. Yeah, of course I never knows

34:25

predators are no match for a tree teenager eat

34:27

your girls, dude They can they hang a little

34:29

tag team with the best of the gets back

34:32

each other on each other's shoulders. We're a big

34:34

coat Yeah, form so sort of like not power

34:36

Rangers mega zord. Yes, exactly. Yeah So

34:39

they've been you know to David's Park popular

34:41

park for the playground soccer baseball bike

34:44

trail laced straight the accompanying woods

34:46

and it was in walking distance

34:48

from Morgan's place at sunset apartments

34:51

Was there the girls went to the public

34:54

washroom at the park where in this and

34:56

Morgan suddenly Attempted to pin

34:58

down Peyton and inadvertently ended up

35:00

smashing her head into a brick

35:03

wall Kind of just out of

35:05

nowhere according to innocent Morgan had

35:07

a mental breakdown right there And

35:09

then she started acting erratically pacing

35:11

and singing all while again assume

35:13

Peyton is wondering what the actual

35:15

shit is Going on with a

35:17

very sore head Oddly though she

35:20

stuck around Assuming probably they were just plain

35:22

and maybe he got too far and anissa

35:24

told Peyton to go wait outside while she

35:26

canned Morgan down inside the bathroom as

35:29

I said, yeah Peyton must have just assumed they

35:31

were just horsing around and it went too far

35:33

Yeah, really. I feel like reason for her. She

35:35

must have just been so confused Yeah, exactly because

35:38

it was just suddenly like out of nowhere as

35:40

well like they're still there children. Yeah, you know.

35:42

Yeah Yeah, yeah once Morgan was

35:44

over her episode and this is suggested they go play

35:46

hide I mean the factory playing hide and seek in

35:48

the in the woods like Matt They were kids so

35:51

they went off anyway and Peyton willingly went to

35:53

go keep playing with them Morgan

35:56

was counting and and this and Peyton hit

35:59

and this said then suggested that Peyton lie down

36:01

in the dirt and cover herself with

36:04

leaves and twigs for the ultimate high-

36:06

Hey, listen, she won't think to look

36:08

down. Mmm. Yeah, you look down these

36:10

days Nobody or was that

36:12

just another easy way to have her lie down

36:14

underground so she wouldn't be able to run and

36:17

escape Either way Morgan

36:19

came around in her seeking role and

36:21

she got to where Peyton and Anissa

36:23

were hiding Morgan then

36:25

handed Anissa a small steak

36:28

knife However, Anissa quickly

36:30

handed it back to Morgan stating she couldn't

36:32

do it. So Morgan said, okay fine

36:35

I'll do it but only when you

36:37

tell me to Anissa then

36:39

took five steps away and said

36:42

kitty now go ballistic go

36:44

crazy And this

36:46

is when Peyton and this and Morgan's innocent game

36:48

of hide-and-seek turned very

36:51

deadly Morgan went over to

36:53

where Peyton was crouching down hiding and stabbed

36:55

her 19 times While

36:59

doing so she would say famously

37:01

to Peyton don't be afraid.

37:04

I'm only a little kitty cat I was like

37:06

scratches or something. That's what you say when

37:08

Keith enters to record a podcast every time

37:10

he says don't be afraid I want a

37:12

little key cat I'm

37:15

definitely 100 gonna start saying yeah, I know Any

37:18

fans that there make kitty cat t-shirts? There

37:23

was actually I seen someone It

37:25

was really funny it was one of the episodes eight ago

37:28

I can't remember what it was I can't watch episode it

37:30

was but we were talked about and They

37:32

found the cat died and I was explained to my

37:34

daughter about death Yeah, and she got really confused and she

37:36

was like is baby key dead Yeah, there

37:38

was a comment on it. Like please make baby key

37:41

is dead teachers Some

37:46

great pictures by the way some fan art

37:48

has been phenomenally good on this podcast. We're

37:50

totally in the middle of a story Well,

37:55

I'll just say it now that it's in my brain some

37:57

people send in by the way pictures at fine arts and

37:59

it's all incredibly you guys are

38:01

incredibly talented please keep sending it in

38:03

this been so I'll show you after

38:06

somebody's sending some amazing pictures very very

38:08

funny okay sorry for the waiting with

38:10

her yeah it was very serious moment I know

38:12

yeah I should go away it's

38:14

my fault I can't for allowing me to

38:16

do I can't but no I can't have my Morgan

38:19

stabbed Peyton in the arms legs and

38:22

torso she punctured her spleen and liver

38:24

and nearly missed an artery beside her

38:26

heart Peyton she tried to

38:28

get up to get away so they ended

38:30

up leading her deeper into the woods where

38:33

they dressed her wounds with leaves and then

38:35

left her to die as you can imagine

38:37

Peyton wouldn't have was sad to shit she

38:39

was wandering stumbling around they kept luring her

38:41

taking her deeper and deeper and then covered

38:43

her with forest grass this is a horrible

38:45

one thinking they'd appeased the Slenderman

38:47

and his sacrifice they had packed overnight

38:50

bags and they'd filled with granola bars

38:52

and water and then they were gonna

38:54

head off to Slenderman's mansion which is

38:56

not a part of the official canon

38:58

they invented that themselves both

39:01

parents would eventually find it damning notes and

39:03

evidence of planning the murder in the rooms

39:06

it really just shows how far into

39:08

their delusions they both were like they

39:10

firmly believed that they were these proxies

39:12

of Slenderman which is basically someone who

39:14

serves or is under the influence and

39:16

control of Slenderman sickness yes

39:19

and the act based on

39:21

his needs Morgan

39:23

claimed that she received instructions from Slenderman

39:25

giving her an ultimatum which was to

39:27

either kill and live in the Slender

39:29

mansion or he would kill both

39:31

her and Anissa's family which you mentioned earlier

39:33

on just quick as a side note they

39:35

believed that Slenderman's mountain was in Nicollet National

39:37

Forest which is like it's a couple of

39:39

hundred miles away Nicollet I've never heard of

39:42

yet it's like it's like north where they

39:44

are literally a couple of hundred things like

39:46

okay two or three hundred miles away from

39:48

where they were so yeah I guess it's

39:50

a good thing they pack granola bars but

39:52

yeah just yeah just show them stupid when

39:54

it were kids yeah stupid yeah it's like

39:56

it's like you're trying to find a real

39:58

motive for why they just this decided to

40:00

try and murder one of their best friends and

40:02

their kids say they really don't have any motive,

40:04

they're just too dumb. So

40:06

they were escaping to Slenderman's Mansion as they

40:09

believed while Peyton was attempting to crawl and

40:11

find help while bleeding to death.

40:14

At the same time her so-called best

40:16

friends were washing up the evidence at

40:18

the local Walmart and then proceeded manically

40:20

around the town singing and crying until

40:23

police eventually picked them up five hours

40:25

later and very luckily for Peyton, Greg

40:27

Steinberg just happened to be biking that

40:29

very day. The police

40:31

interviews by the way with two girls were

40:33

very very very weird and this

40:36

did seem remorseful crying on and off in

40:38

the interview footage and she made it clear

40:40

that she did not do, she

40:42

didn't do the stabbing, she's a innocent lad. It's

40:44

only then she realized oh yeah Slenderman, it's

40:47

not real after all. It did go very real.

40:50

Yeah it's like they just snapped, well

40:52

she did, she snapped out when it's

40:54

like oh yeah there's actually police here.

40:57

The detectives confirmed to Anissa that Peyton

40:59

was alive, she was generally relieved and

41:01

happy to hear it but she

41:03

oddly then asked what after miss school? Yes.

41:07

Morgan on the other hand was just batshit crazy,

41:09

she placed the blame on Anissa and that it

41:11

was she who wanted to kill Peyton, it was

41:13

all her idea. When asked about

41:15

the actual act of the attack she described

41:17

it with and I quote stabby-sab-sab

41:21

and stabbing motions. She

41:23

was steadfast in her belief that Slenderman

41:25

was real and at one point she

41:28

pleaded with the detective quote

41:30

please don't cut off my head. Both

41:33

girls admitted to the police that they had

41:35

planned this as far back as December and

41:37

were originally going to kill Peyton while she

41:39

slept that night but decided last

41:41

minute to do it in the park the

41:44

very next day. While the

41:46

police investigated further a search of Morgan's

41:48

had drawings and pictures of with

41:51

words sprawled across such as I want

41:53

to die and help me escape my

41:55

mind. They also found sketches

41:57

and drawings depicting the stabbing ahead of

42:00

time, along with a list of supplies

42:02

needed to carry out their act. Knife

42:05

and the will to live was listed as

42:07

some of those supplies needed to carry out

42:09

the act. Both parents

42:11

of Morgan and Anissa reported that they didn't

42:13

suspect anything from their daughter that there was

42:15

dangerous or mentally ill behaviour after William as

42:18

far as like, wah, you should have listened.

42:21

Morgan's mother Angie had been vacuuming while the girls

42:23

were at the park, innocently enough thinking they would

42:25

be home soon when her son, six years old

42:27

at the time, came rushing in to tell her

42:29

that the police were at the door and that

42:32

they were looking for her daughter, Mogo. When Angie

42:34

told the police that Morgan was at the park,

42:36

they didn't believe her, they started searching the house.

42:38

After all, they just found a very

42:40

bloody young girl lying in the

42:42

park. Police they went to,

42:44

Anissa's house where her mother, Christy, was told

42:46

that her daughter was missing. A

42:49

search discovered Anissa's cell phone left at

42:51

Morgan's house with a goodbye note and

42:53

a will of what should happen to

42:56

her belongings. Wow, the incredible belongings that

42:58

child has. My

43:00

micro machine. My last will. My

43:02

Polly Pocket should go to... But

43:06

yeah, I guess she really did think that the Slenderman would take

43:08

her away and that she would never see her family again. At

43:10

the police station, both mothers were allowed

43:13

to visit with their daughters before they

43:15

were both arrested for attempted murder. The

43:18

trials for both girls was heavily debated.

43:20

It was heavily debated if they should

43:23

be tried as adults or juveniles. Eventually,

43:25

due to the extremely violent nature of

43:27

their crimes, they were both tried as

43:29

adults, but found not guilty

43:31

by reason of mental disease and

43:34

defect. Both girls did

43:36

undergo in-depth mental evaluations and to

43:38

absolutely no one, even Slenderman was

43:40

surprised at that. Morgan was found

43:42

to be officially diagnosed with early

43:45

onset schizophrenia like her father had,

43:47

and Anissa was found to have

43:49

suffered a shared psychotic disorder. Which

43:51

basically means that her friendship with

43:54

Morgan was the ultimate perfect storm

43:56

for mental deterioration and

43:58

Morgan's schizophrenia. or less are

44:00

rubbed off on Anissa. Folly a do.

44:04

I was looking up, it's a really interesting disorder.

44:06

Is it? Yeah. Is

44:08

it for real? I demand to know. Actually

44:10

I think it's the title of that new Joker

44:12

movie. Walking Phoenix. Oh yeah

44:15

yeah yeah. I wonder if it'll be

44:17

good. Folly a do. Folly a do.

44:19

It's also a title of an X-Files episode.

44:22

Where they see the insect man. Yeah. That's

44:24

a good ass episode. Remember setting a call

44:26

center? Yeah. He sees his manager

44:28

as like an insect man. Yeah yeah. Yeah

44:30

it's good. Yeah. Yeah I

44:32

mean so if Folly a do or madness of two

44:35

as you said. It's mostly a condition that

44:37

happens in families. Often between like

44:39

spouses as well as like two

44:41

siblings. However it can also occur

44:44

in other close relationships. Like co-workers,

44:46

romantic partners or in this case

44:48

friends. Yeah. But the key factor

44:50

is this close emotional bond between

44:52

these individuals. To the point where

44:54

they're completely obsessed with each other.

44:57

And they start picking up each other's beliefs. No

44:59

matter how delusional they are to completely buy into

45:01

each other. So there's a couple

45:04

of interesting true crime cases that revolve around

45:06

these instances of Folly a do. So

45:08

you covered one case before Ursula and Sabrina Erikson.

45:10

Ah that's an oldie. That's an oldie that chapter.

45:13

I know. Like 2018, 2017 maybe even. Yeah

45:16

so they were the Swedish twin sisters. Yeah.

45:19

And they were involved in this highly publicized incident in the UK

45:21

back in 2008. Where they were seen

45:23

running into traffic. And they were inspired by police

45:25

and bystanders. They intervened. Both of the sisters they

45:27

got hit by vehicles. But there's

45:30

also another interesting case in New Zealand. Which I

45:32

think we should cover at some point. Ooooh.

45:35

Suggestions time. So the Parker and Hume

45:38

murder case. So Pauline Parker

45:40

and Juliette Hume. There were two

45:42

teenage girls from New Zealand who formed

45:44

very close friendship. And developed a shared

45:46

fantasy world. So they believed that they

45:48

were characters in their own story. And

45:50

became increasingly isolated from everyone else around

45:53

them. When their parents got

45:55

concerned about how obsessed they were getting with each

45:57

other. They tried to get them apart. But once

45:59

they were... threatened with the separation,

46:01

they brutally murdered Pauline's mom.

46:04

Peter Jackney actually wrote and directed a movie about

46:06

her called Heavenly Creatures and Kate Winslet was the

46:09

one who played Juliet in it. Wow,

46:11

there you go. Alright, don't watch that

46:13

movie, no spoilers. But yes, that's a

46:15

good... We'll tell you about it. Exactly,

46:17

us and only us. Alright,

46:19

yeah, no, it sounds good. Sounds like a

46:21

future, that chapter topic. Key spoiler alert. Yep,

46:23

very good key. Once again, you

46:25

knocked it out of the park. Yes. Thank

46:28

you. You're welcome. And

46:30

the girls were sentenced to Morgan

46:32

and Anissa. Morgan Geyser was sentenced

46:34

to 40 years in

46:36

a mental health institution. Anissa was

46:38

sentenced to 25 years as

46:40

she admitted what she'd done was

46:42

wrong and she didn't actually

46:44

do that. Although

46:47

in 2021, Anissa was released at 19 years of age. She

46:52

was under constant ankle monitoring and ordered

46:54

to have no contact with Peyton until

46:59

Well, I don't get this point at all. You

47:01

can't talk to her. Why isn't just forever? Yeah,

47:03

I know. Why do you want it? It's the

47:05

way for her. Yeah, exactly. It's weird.

47:08

But in 2023, the GPS ankle monitor was

47:10

removed as an ongoing

47:12

reflection and plan to rehabilitate Anissa

47:15

into a functioning member of society.

47:18

So no idea where she is now. Anissa, if you're

47:20

listening, hope you're doing well. Yeah, absolutely.

47:22

Hope you're in a good place. What

47:24

suspects families have gone on to fight

47:26

for mental health awareness in children and

47:28

specifically what parents and families should be

47:31

aware of. Morgan's mother

47:33

has said that Morgan's experience institutionalized.

47:36

Not a great one. I probably could have.

47:38

I probably could have told you that. And

47:40

citing there's episodes of abuse, bullying and even

47:43

sexual harassment. Even though she

47:45

is under treatment now and no longer

47:47

experiences symptoms of her schizophrenia, she is

47:49

confident if released Morgan would not be

47:51

a danger and her family is well

47:53

equipped and aware of her situation to

47:55

help her in January. Twenty

47:57

twenty four. Morgan petitioned.

48:00

once again for early release, two

48:02

previous attempts were denied. Citing

48:04

she has exhausted her privileges at the

48:07

mental institution she's been held at and

48:09

believes she would benefit from a conditional

48:11

release to try further as a

48:13

priority of society. She

48:15

was, in April 2024, after

48:18

being re-evaluated denied by

48:21

the judge, the judge once again turf time

48:23

discharge denied her early release. This is in

48:25

spite of the doctors however saying, the

48:28

doctors said she should be early released. The doctor has

48:30

actually supported her early release. The judge though was just

48:32

having none of it. Yeah, it's a way, I've seen

48:34

like two sides of the argument. Like

48:36

obviously the two girls were very sick. Yeah. But

48:39

then I kind of show myself in the, the, Peyton's

48:41

family position. That was my daughter. Yeah.

48:44

I was like fuck, you know. Yeah. So

48:46

I, yeah, I get to say that it's one of those ones that's

48:48

hard to know if there's an actual right answer above. Yeah.

48:51

Yeah. I just go, the doctors,

48:53

I mean, the judge, what the fuck is the judge? I mean,

48:55

this is such a complex thing about mental health. The

48:57

judge is like, I don't know. I think I would

48:59

go with what the doctors think. Yeah. It's

49:02

why I'm not a judge. Why I'm not a

49:04

judge, you know. Hey, listen, the law is blind.

49:06

That's why they keep being with that girl with

49:08

the fricking sword and the balance and the, yeah,

49:10

yeah. True. The things, you know,

49:12

funny story actually about the whole just

49:14

as a blind thing is that that

49:17

actually started as ironic. Did you know that the

49:19

woman with the sword and the scales just as

49:21

on the blindfold. Okay. That was

49:23

supposed to be ironic. Okay. The

49:26

law shouldn't see everything. I think

49:28

somebody like did a sketch of her with

49:30

blindfolds on it. That was cool. No, because

49:32

essentially that justice is works for rich people.

49:35

Oh, okay. So it was like a sarcastic thing.

49:37

Right. Okay. But

49:39

then that just somehow became the thing. I love it. Exactly.

49:41

And then that became representative because justice

49:43

shouldn't be blind. Yeah. Just

49:46

should see everything. I know right and wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

49:50

Yeah. It's very true. Yeah. So

49:52

yeah, there you go. So it's funny as something that

49:54

started off as like making fun of it. Yeah. Yeah.

49:58

Yeah. Yeah. She spent

50:00

a week in the hospital and

50:02

since she fully recovered physically from

50:04

the over, you know, a

50:07

dozen stab wounds, but the fact remains she

50:09

still sleeps with a scissors under her bed

50:11

and will suffer the long-term trauma from these

50:13

events when she was only 12 years of

50:16

age. She

50:18

does say thank you though to the girls

50:20

in a roundabout way for the attack. She

50:22

believes it was, you know, the experience of

50:24

going through the recovery and the therapy that

50:27

made her passionate about her career choice. Peyton

50:29

is currently in medical school and she wants

50:31

to help others like she was so kindly

50:34

helped herself. Nice. Yeah, very noble calling. Good

50:36

for her. I hope she does. I'm sure

50:38

she will. And that

50:40

is the story of the slender man, Stavaroonies.

50:43

Mmm, Stavaroonies. Stavarino's. Yeah, pretty

50:45

crazy case of just kids

50:48

going frickin' bad shit and saying.

50:50

It is terrifying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Horrifying

50:53

and sad stories, but what's crazy actually,

50:55

it's actually not the only instance of

50:57

this happening either. So in

50:59

2014, a Ohio girl

51:01

under the apparent influence of slender

51:03

man attacked her mother with a

51:05

kitchenette. So the woman told the Tardis,

51:07

I came home one night from work. She was in

51:09

the kitchen waiting for me and she was wearing a

51:11

mask, a white mask. So the

51:14

mother, she went on to tell a local television station

51:16

that she was someone else during the attack. Maybe she

51:18

actually was slender man. Did she actually? It sounds like

51:20

it was slender man, not her daughter. Always ask for

51:22

ID people. Don't

51:26

go tracking. So

51:28

the mother, she suffered multiple minor injuries,

51:30

thankfully, including the puncture wound on her

51:32

back. The girl was 13 and

51:34

she faced charges as a juvenile. So

51:37

I don't know, like, is slender man

51:39

real? Did he start out as a

51:42

meme? But then, through the combined power

51:45

of global thought, actually brought this entity

51:47

to life. The answer is

51:49

no. However, I

51:52

will argue that the fantasy village of

51:54

Haunchyville is very much real. Yes,

51:56

I understand. Be careful. You're going to get a

51:58

GoPro. Yeah, be careful. the old guy with the

52:00

shotgun and the Smurfs with the saws

52:02

who will come for your knees. It

52:04

keeps me open now, doesn't it? Ah, I'm scared. And

52:07

that'll do for this one. Thank you so much

52:09

to everybody who is listening to, is hearing my

52:11

voice in your ears and your brain.

52:15

Right now it means a lot to me. A little smitcheroo

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for you. And yeah, I appreciate a

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everywhere, you know? So I don't know

52:28

what else to say. So yeah, what's happening? I mean, if

52:30

you're already listening, I don't know. That's true. If

52:32

you're already, you'd appreciate it. But there you go.

52:34

Hell, older people. Yeah, there's a couple more of

52:36

you. We already said this, but

52:38

we would probably, we're probably, me and K people

52:40

would probably end up doing more stuff on the

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That Chapter Podcast YouTube channel. It's a

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separate YouTube channel to the main That Chapter One. But

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