0:00

Oh, wait, no. Hello, Keeter. There

0:02

we go, there we go. That's the one.

0:04

That's the way I want to hear this.

0:06

Like, hello, Keeter. I want to tickle their

0:08

eardrums. Hey, you and welcome. Welcome,

0:11

folks. My name is Mike, and you are joining

0:13

us. I'm going to do my N.P. Or voice.

0:15

OK, my time. Hey, everybody. Thanks for joining us

0:17

once again to the thatch. No. All right. All

0:19

right. Keeter over here.

0:21

He's cackling across from me. Your

0:24

best fan. Yes. Your biggest hype man. My

0:27

shitty joke hype man. As

0:29

a person described it, also I

0:31

believe her name was. She's saying you're

0:33

also the resident dad joke teller. Tell

0:35

me you joke, funny man. Oh, shit. On the spot. Yes,

0:39

you're a joke teller. Tell me a

0:41

joke. Make me laugh. Make the audience laugh more importantly.

0:43

They're judging you right now. Oh, my god. It's so

0:45

hard to think. Yeah. This always happens. And I always

0:47

feel, I always like every single time this happens, I'm

0:49

always like, I need to have a joke, a good

0:51

joke, and just have it. Remember it, and just have

0:53

it on demand. And then what ends up happening is

0:55

I just overuse that joke to death and tell everyone

0:57

like three or four times, I'm like, shut the fuck

0:59

up with that joke. Yeah. And then I have to forget it.

1:01

So yeah, but I don't have a joke. OK. Well,

1:04

that's fantastic. Yeah, right. Excellent

1:06

content. Excellent. This is what folks tuned in for

1:09

to hear. So you

1:11

know what? It's been a week, a long ass

1:13

week, since the folks at home.

1:15

Folks, eagerly are waiting. I don't know what you do.

1:17

Who knows what they got up to in the last

1:19

week since they heard us. I assumed just waiting to

1:22

hear this podcast. Alone in the dark. The

1:24

way they should be. So

1:26

Keith, what were you up to since I seen

1:28

you last, which is minutes ago

1:30

because we were recording part one and part two

1:32

on the same day. I

1:34

didn't want to spoil the surprise. You

1:37

can't tell the folks at home how to sausage is made.

1:39

Of course, of course, of course. OK. Yeah,

1:41

grand. I am hanging today.

1:43

You are? I know. I've noticed your voice is

1:46

a little gravellier than

1:48

normal. Yeah, I'm very hungover today.

1:51

I was at some 41 last night, really

1:53

enjoyed it. They were playing down in Fairview

1:55

Park in Dublin. It's like they're farewell tour

1:57

that they're doing. Wow. Farewell? They're not that

1:59

old. I did be out of the arid of

2:01

a big concerts. I'm gonna get a speed run. I'm

2:03

gonna say 96 could be wrong You know said the

2:06

freaking be of bringing a star is still playing and

2:08

he's a frickin walking skeleton Let me check Bruce Springsteen

2:10

is like 70s. I'm not playing for our shows 1996.

2:12

It's like going in What

2:15

else when he started so yeah, dude did their farewell

2:18

turn or turn a lot of? Countries

2:20

to finish up. I want to

2:22

say January very probably but yeah, so does emotional

2:24

last time I'm gonna see them so gonna miss

2:26

them, but it again. They're brilliant really really good

2:29

There's lots of fire and there was a hell

2:31

yeah the budget for like streamers a confetti for

2:33

that show was off the charts Really? Wow they

2:35

must made no money from the show Yeah, just

2:38

give it to you. I'm scared. Oh cuz there

2:40

was a lot of confetti and fire. It's like

2:42

this feels like napalm It's

2:45

a farewell show but not for that But

2:49

yeah, it was great That was good show and

2:51

then we end up walking into walk through the

2:53

town then and went to Fibber McGee's fibbers So

2:55

for anyone listening that I know mostly audiences the

2:57

US. It's like a rock bar Yeah, anybody who

2:59

lives in Dublin will know for sure it's there

3:02

It's one of the last remaining rock bars like

3:04

well metal bars. I guess it is for sure

3:06

I think it was a sum up fibbers in

3:08

one word it will be smells like piss crusty

3:10

piss Yes, it's good of a and of all

3:12

I've been to a lot of bars in Dublin

3:14

and in all the bars It's the pissiest smelling

3:16

piss bar. It's it's strong as soon as you

3:18

know. I think said that it's actually a good

3:20

bar I've been there quite a number of times

3:22

and I don't I ever have a good there

3:24

of a lot of fun But you it does

3:27

smell I did the drains literally flow upwards So

3:29

what do you like you were correct with that

3:31

because there was one time I was I was

3:33

that fair reason was a gig I went downstairs

3:35

and the whole downstairs was like flooded with water

3:37

from the bathroom Wow So yes literally as you're

3:39

saying they float up, you know, we have our

3:41

story of our little kind of side thing We

3:43

do listener stories. I would love to hear bar

3:45

stories Folks

3:47

at home. Let's start. We maybe will have a little

3:49

episode bonus upset every once in a while Where we

3:51

just hear of like the shittiest bars. Yeah, you bet

3:53

that's actually a good idea. Are you pretty? Good

3:56

you kick it off. Have you got me? No All

6:00

right, well speaking of getting back to work, I

6:02

suppose we should probably tell the story that we're

6:04

supposed to know Oh, okay. All right. Well, I

6:06

don't talk more of a shitty bar as a

6:08

ghost But no, we actually

6:11

have a really interesting story to tell

6:13

so today folks We are back for

6:15

part two of Robert Hanson the butcher

6:17

baker of Anchorage, Alaska So

6:19

in part one we looked at the life

6:21

of Robert Hanson who was a hell of

6:23

a loser what a weird-ass dick. Mm-hmm born

6:26

Iowa 1939

6:28

he endured a strict upbringing and severe bullying

6:30

on account of his stutter Which

6:32

he developed after being forced being beaten to shit

6:34

to use his right hand and then he'd he'd

6:37

bad-ass me And he just nobody liked him after

6:39

a stint in the army and committing

6:42

arson He was jailed but later moved

6:44

to Anchorage with his wife where he

6:46

seemed to settle down But secretly escalated

6:48

his criminal activities in part one We

6:50

talked about how in November of 1971

6:52

in Anchorage, Alaska Robert

6:55

Hanson followed an 18 year old Susie

6:57

Hepburn home tried to kidnap her a

6:59

gunpoint a week later though arrested He

7:01

quickly secured bail then in December

7:03

1971 a month

7:05

after his first attack He kidnapped

7:07

and assaulted Robin Patterson. She survived

7:10

and eventually reported him However, a

7:12

severe mishandling of evidence weakened the

7:14

case against him Despite

7:16

this Hanson received a light sentence and

7:19

was a he was soon released But

7:21

he was also suspected to put not

7:23

charged in the unsolved murder of Celia

7:25

Van Zanten Signaling a dangerous

7:27

pattern in his behavior. Yeah,

7:30

they're all up to speed on that part one with my

7:32

dramatic voice Let's get into part

7:34

numero 2-0. Let's do it Yeah It

7:37

was mad as well because what like

7:39

all these brushes with the law that

7:41

we talked about in part one They

7:44

like did very little to discourage Robert

7:46

Hanson from a life of crime Like

7:48

he decided to take these experiences as

7:50

more like learning opportunities to refine his

7:53

criminal technique as a kidnapper and a

7:55

rapist Mmm, like he'd learned to target

7:57

vulnerable girls who wouldn't be He missed

7:59

such as sex workers. He also became

8:02

skilled at manipulating his image within the

8:04

community, presenting himself as a devoted family

8:06

man and a religious individual. And

8:09

this has made it easier for people to

8:11

trust him and overlook his weird and suspicious

8:13

behavior. Yes, as we mentioned in

8:15

part one, he really learned when he got first

8:17

arrested. He really learned a lot when he first

8:19

got in trouble. And what he learned was you

8:21

have a clean cut public image, you can really

8:23

kind of get away with anything. Do what you

8:25

want. Hell yeah. That's why I've been

8:27

cultivating my own clean cut image. Oh wait,

8:29

did I say that? Sorry. So Robert

8:31

was, he was still on parole and he

8:33

kept himself busy between work and the halfway

8:36

house to keep his parole officer, you know,

8:38

pretty happy, keep him on his good side.

8:41

However, as soon as he was allowed to drive

8:43

by himself again, women started

8:46

disappearing again on

8:48

July 7th, 1973. So

8:51

what's that? A year and a

8:53

half after his first attacks. Not long. 17

8:56

year old Megan Emmerich disappeared without a

8:58

trace after she had gone into town.

9:01

Now there aren't many details about

9:03

what actually happened, but Robert ended

9:05

up being considered a potential suspect

9:07

in her disappearance. Then

9:09

in September of 1974, a

9:11

16 year old girl by

9:13

the name of Leela was walking home

9:16

from a party when an innocent looking

9:18

man offered her a ride home. As

9:21

soon as she got in the car, the

9:23

man pulled out an iron on her and

9:25

drove to a remote area and told her

9:27

to perform oral sex on him. When

9:29

he finished, just like Robin Patterson,

9:32

he let Leela go, but not

9:34

before writing down her information and saying he

9:36

would kill her and her parents if

9:38

she went to the police. Too

9:41

scared, Leela never told

9:43

anyone until years later.

9:45

Yeah, this particular incident really shows how Robert,

9:48

he just enjoyed the power and control he

9:50

had over these women. At one point he

9:52

actually gave Leela the gun saying you can

9:55

do whatever you want with me or you

9:57

can tend to drive to the police station.

10:00

to hand her the gun. Lila, she suspected

10:02

that this was a test or something. So,

10:04

either way, she was too scared to try

10:06

anything, so she just gave the gun back.

10:08

But he just had complete control. But, you

10:10

know, to be fair, you would

10:12

be thinking this was some kind of trap. But

10:15

this is where we really started to see Hansen

10:17

playing with his victims in this sort of way,

10:19

kind of seeing how far he can

10:21

push them and the control that he has over them.

10:23

And we'll see it in a couple other cases where,

10:25

not necessarily giving the gun, but kind of leaving the

10:27

gun out and just giving them the

10:29

opportunity to kind of either kill them or get

10:31

away. And yeah, he just has complete control over

10:33

them. On July

10:36

5th, 1975, 23-year-old Mary

10:38

Kay Phil disappeared. When

10:41

her husband got home from working on the pipeline

10:43

and realized she'd been missing, he put out a

10:45

$1,000 award for any information.

10:49

However, none was ever provided and

10:51

her body was never found. Unfortunately,

10:54

with no body, the police were never

10:56

able to confirm Robert Hansen was linked

10:58

to her disappearance. That

11:00

same year, Hansen kidnapped and raped a

11:02

topless dancer after meeting her at the

11:05

KitKat Club. Once again, Hansen

11:07

let her go, but the woman memorized

11:09

the license plate and went straight to

11:11

the police. This case, it

11:13

actually proved quite challenging to handle.

11:16

So, the unidentified woman, she chose to

11:18

communicate only through a third party. So,

11:21

an employee at the Anchorage Rape and

11:23

Sexual Assault Center would talk to them,

11:25

then they'd talk to the police. So,

11:28

Hansen, he refuted the accusation, claiming that he

11:30

couldn't possibly possess any firearms due to his

11:32

felonstance. Of course. I couldn't have the law

11:34

told me I can't have it. I always

11:37

obey the law. Exactly. So, according to

11:39

him, the incident, it was merely just a money-related disagreement

11:43

between him and a sex worker. So, this was,

11:45

you know, as far as the cops workers are,

11:48

this should be an open and shut case. So,

11:50

he said that he left her unharmed and

11:52

drove her back to the club. The case

11:54

eventually hit a dead end when pressing charges

11:57

against Hansen just became impossible because the woman

11:59

refused to disclose her real identity. So she

12:01

clarified that she wasn't just a dancer, but

12:03

she was also a school teacher and she

12:05

couldn't risk her career by stepping forward and

12:07

making herself known. Sure, of course, of

12:10

course, of course, but it's also ultimately tragic that

12:12

she couldn't, but yeah, it's horrible.

12:15

She was in that situation. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

12:18

So during this time period, as you've

12:21

seen already, Robert seemed completely untouchable and

12:23

who'd want to touch his weirdo stick?

12:26

It seemed like he could do whatever

12:28

he pleased to whomever he pleased with

12:30

whomever he pleased with facing any repercussions.

12:33

That is until one incident in 1976 where the

12:37

police finally said, enough is

12:39

a goddamn heck and enough. Robert

12:43

shoplifted a chainsaw. Shocking,

12:46

if you can say the least. Robert

12:49

was back in court, but what

12:51

would usually be a misdemeanor for

12:53

shoplifting was bumped up to felony

12:55

larceny charges once the district attorney

12:58

reviewed his previous violent past. Now

13:00

you may be thinking, great, Jesus, my

13:04

lucky day ever hearing this. They finally got

13:06

them. They got them. They got the bastard.

13:08

Finally, some repercussions for old Bobby's actions, but

13:12

nine. Robert quickly

13:14

made bail and once again got the

13:16

help of some psychiatrists to help him

13:18

game the legal system by claiming mental

13:20

health issues. My poor brain. I

13:23

don't know. I'm not responsible for what I did. I don't

13:25

know what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. Where

13:27

am I? Who am I? The

13:29

case continued until January 1977 when the judge

13:31

ultimately sentenced

13:33

Robert to five years in prison equipped

13:36

with psychiatric care facilities. Robert

13:38

was subsequently put on parole in August of

13:40

1978. However, remarkably, Hansen

13:44

appeared to evade any real legal

13:47

oversight. No specific parole terms were

13:49

established, leaving him essentially free to

13:51

act as he wished. Once

13:54

again, Robert Hansen was back on the street within no

13:56

time hunting his next victim. He was just playing the

13:58

goddamn system. them again and again and again, I've had

14:00

enough of this guy. He knew how to play them.

14:03

He played them like a goddamn fiddle. I've had it

14:05

up to here. So when

14:07

Robert, when he wasn't working at the

14:09

bakery or hunting with his friend, he

14:11

was spending nights at various strip clubs

14:13

around Anchorage looking for his next victim.

14:16

And there were a number of topless bars and strip clubs

14:18

around that area at the time for him to choose from.

14:21

Most notable of which were, you mentioned one, the Kit Kat

14:23

Club. The Wild Cherry was

14:25

another one. Nice. This one's my favorite, the

14:27

Alaskan Bush Company. That is good. Isn't it?

14:29

Remember, they had a good ass time with

14:31

that name. That was a good one. That's

14:33

going to pat it. Fair play to you.

14:36

Yeah, enjoy that one. And the

14:38

Empress Club. And this was the one that Robert, he would freak

14:40

with the most. If you were the strip club, what would

14:42

you call it? The Mike Zone? The Mickey Zone. The

14:44

Mickey Zone. Nice. Yeah. What would you call it? Probably

14:46

the Mickey Zone. So

14:52

by the way, Robert's wife, Darla Hansen, she had

14:54

still been with him throughout this whole thing. So

14:56

it's likely that his wife knew about he had

14:58

a thing for sex workers. I'm sure. However, she

15:00

probably just she probably didn't know about his violent,

15:03

how violent he got with the women. Like she

15:05

was quite isolated up there in Anchorage, which at

15:07

this age, they're two kids as well. She

15:10

worked, but she was like somewhat financially dependent

15:12

on Robert as well, which is likely why

15:15

she just kind of turned a blind eye

15:17

with him frequenting services of sex workers. Yeah.

15:19

Was he ever violent with her? No. No.

15:21

Really? Yeah. He was never violent with his

15:23

wife, never violent with his kids. He kept

15:25

his like his home life as his home

15:27

life. He was able to really compartmentalize his

15:29

serial killer nature. And then

15:31

his just clean family image. Why

15:34

he genuinely did think he was like, I am just clean

15:36

family men, because his life was so compartmentalized. He could see

15:38

himself as two completely different things at the same time. And

15:40

like, but it's it's my as well, because it's not like

15:42

he was a good father. Like he was very distant from

15:44

his family. So we had his family and they were kind

15:46

of doing their own thing. And he kind of pop in

15:48

every now and again. That was like his home base. And

15:50

then he'd go out and do, but like, yeah, he

15:52

wasn't a he still had that clean image with the

15:54

family. But in reality, he was just he was never

15:56

there. Like, yeah, yeah. They were kind of still drowning.

15:58

Yeah, they didn't know. really. However,

16:01

as we know, Robert went a lot

16:03

further than just visiting the Topples, Barres

16:06

and Strip clubs. It was at

16:08

Embers in October of 1979 when Christy Hayes

16:12

experienced a terrifying encounter

16:14

with Robert. Like

16:16

many women in her line of work, she

16:18

did whatever it took to pay the bills.

16:20

So when Robert waved some cash at her,

16:23

she agreed to meet him after her shift

16:25

at the club. Christy met

16:27

Robert outside the club in his camper

16:29

van and agreed to perform oral sex

16:31

on them exchange for payment. But

16:33

as she was starting, Robert shoved a gun

16:36

in her face and

16:39

told her to strip or he would

16:41

kill her. Then he

16:43

tied her hands with wire. But

16:46

Christy wasn't going down without a fight

16:49

and sounded screaming as loud as she

16:51

could. Panicking that someone might hear, Robert

16:53

jumped into the driver's seat and sped

16:56

off into the wilderness. Christy

16:58

still in the back tied up

17:00

with wires. But she managed

17:02

to untie the wiring around her hands

17:05

and began banging on the camper van

17:07

windows hoping to catch the attention of

17:09

passing cars. Frustrated though

17:12

that he couldn't control her, Robert

17:14

slammed on the brakes causing Christy

17:16

to bump hit her head against

17:18

a wall. He got out,

17:20

walked around and opened the van door. Despite

17:23

being dazed, Christy, man, fair play

17:25

to her. She was a fighter.

17:27

Yeah, she wasn't finished. She fought

17:29

past Robert and ran naked and

17:31

terrified back towards the city. She

17:34

was bleeding, she was bruised, she

17:36

was freezing and she had a

17:38

serial killer chasing her in a

17:40

van. But she managed to outrun

17:42

him just long enough for Robert to give up. He

17:44

does that a lot. There's been a couple of times

17:46

when like he's gone to give chase when someone runs

17:49

off him. He

17:53

tossed her clothes out the window and sped off. But

17:56

this wasn't the last time she would cross paths with

17:58

him. Christy, by the way, he It really comes out

18:00

with a story like looking like a badass. She seems

18:02

very cool. She's a badass, yeah. She

18:04

quit her job at the Embers Club and

18:06

then became a dancer at the, very nicely

18:08

named, Alaskan Bush Company. Later that

18:11

same year, while she was dancing on

18:13

stage, she noticed a familiar face in

18:15

the crowd. And like a badass, she

18:17

jumped from the stage into the crowd

18:19

and started clawing at his face. The

18:21

cops were called and Christie explained the

18:23

whole story. Unfortunately though, as

18:25

we have seen time and time again before, without

18:27

any evidence, it boiled down to a case of

18:30

he said, she said, and who are they gonna

18:32

trust? The police in the eyes of the law,

18:34

are they gonna believe a sex worker or this

18:36

nice, clean family man? Hmm, yeah, yeah. He got

18:38

away once again. It was

18:41

actually funny as well, when I was reading this story. Yeah,

18:43

I always had like, Christie comes off as a tall badass.

18:45

She wore a lot of wigs as well while she was

18:47

dancing. I guess it was kind of a part of try

18:49

to keep some sort of, yeah, stay anonymous. It's not really

18:51

her on the stage, she's acting. Yeah, yeah, but this is

18:54

like when he got her in the car and he like

18:56

pulled the gun on her face, he grabbed her by the

18:58

hair, pulled down and then like her, the wig came off.

19:00

He was like, whoa. Did I tear her head off? And

19:02

I was like, one thing that kind of frazzled him at

19:05

the start, like, it's a good Jesus, his hair's gone. And

19:07

then when he went to the Alaskan Busch Company, stripped it

19:09

up, but she was wearing a different wig

19:11

again. I think he didn't recognize her. He didn't recognize her at

19:13

all, yeah. So he was like, my woman just jumping out of

19:15

her car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It

19:17

was around this time that another woman

19:19

experienced a very similar ordeal to Christie.

19:21

However, in this case, the woman did

19:24

not escape with her life. What

19:26

we know about this woman comes from

19:29

Robert's recollection years later. However,

19:31

he thought so little of his victims

19:33

that he couldn't provide enough information for

19:35

a positive identification of her. What

19:37

we do know is that she

19:39

was a sex worker whom Robert coerced into

19:41

his van. He then threatened her with a

19:44

gun and drove her into the Alaskan wilderness.

19:46

They traveled down the Clinton Road, a route

19:49

that would eventually bear her name. During

19:51

an escape attempt where she tried to

19:53

use a knife, Robert overpowered her, disarming

19:56

her and fatally stabbing her with her

19:58

own blade lodged into her spine. mine.

20:00

This marked his first confirmed

20:02

kill, though likely not his

20:05

actual first. Her

20:07

half-eaten buddy was eventually found in a

20:10

shallow grave a year later by some

20:12

electrical workers. They never found out her

20:14

real name, so she is known only as Eklutna

20:17

Annie, and all we really know about her

20:19

is from what Lion Bastard Robert Hanson spoke

20:21

of years later. In 1980, Alaska estate troopers

20:23

responded to a remote location where human remains

20:25

had been

20:52

discovered. Unfortunately, upon their

20:54

arrival, they found that a black

20:57

bear had already reached the scene

20:59

before them. They had to retreat back and

21:01

just helplessly witness the bear tear apart their usual means. The

21:15

black bears are protected species, so

21:17

they left the troopers unable to

21:19

defend themselves if the situation got

21:21

dangerous. They finally left, very

21:23

little of the body remained. But

21:52

there was certainly no evidence left

21:54

to gather. But they were

21:57

able to positively identify the victim as

21:59

Joanne. Messina. Less

22:01

than a year earlier, Joanne Messina

22:03

had the misfortune of crossing paths

22:05

with Robert Hanson. Robert had

22:08

noticed Joanne, a very beautiful and tall woman,

22:10

out walking when he worked up the nerve

22:12

to speak with her. He was like, he

22:14

didn't want to speak with her, but he

22:16

was like, no. Normally

22:18

Robert, a balding man with glasses, a stutter

22:20

and acne scars all over his face would

22:22

be brushed off by a beautiful woman like

22:24

this. However, she was very

22:26

receptive about that. Robert was thinking, wow, man,

22:29

maybe my dick isn't that weird after all.

22:31

Maybe things are okay. He

22:33

was thinking he was the cockatoo walk over here. You

22:36

see, Robert didn't hate all

22:38

women. It was really only sex workers

22:41

that he despised, whom he saw as

22:43

a less than human and expendable. So

22:46

the two, Robert and this tall,

22:48

beautiful Joanne, they walked for a

22:50

while enjoying each other's company. Robert

22:53

felt he had a genuine connection with this woman. Oh,

22:55

maybe I've met my

22:57

soulmate. And he asked if she

22:59

would like to spend the night in his camper van,

23:01

to which, I mean, hey, listen, you want to spend

23:03

the night in my camper van? What a line. What

23:05

an opportunity. Yeah, exactly. You can't pass that up. No,

23:08

not at all. 10 out of 10 times, I'm saying

23:10

yes. Yes. 100%.

23:12

Joanne agreed to get into his camper

23:14

van, but then she said something that

23:16

immediately changed how Robert saw her. She

23:19

told him, we could have a real good time if

23:21

you have some money. Uh

23:24

oh. In Robert's mind, she

23:26

quickly went from a from a goddess,

23:28

from some Greek goddess to an

23:31

indecent and expendable thing that would have sex

23:33

for money. And basically then violent thoughts began

23:35

to flood his head again.

23:38

As he drove deep into the wilderness,

23:40

Joanne noticed that Robert's mood had shifted

23:43

to anger. At the first

23:45

chance she got, she jumped out of the camper

23:47

and attempted to make a run for it. However,

23:49

Robert caught up with her and hit her over

23:51

the head with his gun. She tried

23:54

to fight back, scratching his face out, but it

23:56

was useless. And

23:58

Robert overpowered her and in the end, he... he

24:00

shot her with his .22 caliber revolver. Once

24:03

again Robert buried the body in a

24:06

shallow grave and he left the scene,

24:08

his second confirmed kill. With

24:10

these escalations Robert was now really enjoying

24:12

the thrill of the kill. As

24:15

the bodies kept us turning up it

24:17

became harder for police to brush off

24:19

the reports of these missing women. However

24:21

there was one detective who began suspecting

24:23

that there might be a serial killer

24:25

in Anchorage, Detective Maxine Farrell. Unfortunately finding

24:27

a killer wasn't the only hurdle she

24:29

had to contend with. She also had

24:31

to try and convince her fellow cops

24:33

that there was someone out

24:36

there killing these women and the women that were gone missing.

24:38

So many still believe that the missing

24:41

sex workers were part of their transient

24:43

life so as for the bodies found

24:45

well it's Alaska, it can

24:47

be dangerous. So still Maxine she

24:50

dove into her work taking notes, gathering evidence, pinning

24:52

photos of the missing women on board and trying

24:55

to connect the dots and all that. Up to

24:57

now we've watched Robert move from arson to theft,

24:59

then to kidnapping and now to

25:17

outright murder. It's no surprise

25:19

he followed the typical serial killer path

25:21

of taking trophies from his victims, twisted

25:24

keepsakes to remember his time with each

25:26

and every one of them. Fortunately

25:28

like many serial killers these trophies

25:31

would eventually play a role in

25:33

his downfall but we'll

25:35

get to that in a bit. Is

25:37

on November 17th 1981 that

25:39

another dancer from the wild

25:41

Cherry went missing, 23 year

25:44

old Sherry Morrow. Sherry

25:46

was a kind and shy young woman who had

25:48

just been working in a couple of clubs around

25:50

Anchorage for the past few years. One

25:53

thing that stood out about Sherry was the

25:55

arrowhead necklace her boyfriend had given her. Like

25:58

many other girls she was struggling to make

26:00

ends meet. So when Robert offered her $300

26:02

for nude photographs and a ride in his

26:05

plane, it sounded like a good

26:07

deal. However, as soon as Sherry got into

26:09

Robert's car, his friendly demeanor

26:20

quickly changed and she realised she was

26:22

in trouble. Robert handcuffed

26:24

and blindfolded Sherry, placing her on the

26:26

floor of his car as he drove

26:28

to a remote area. Once

26:30

they were deep into the wilderness, Robert took her out

26:33

of the car and, in a

26:35

cruel act, let her

26:37

scream and scream until she wore

26:39

herself out before shooting

26:41

her. Once again,

26:44

Robert dug a shallow grave,

26:46

but this time he took

26:48

Sherry's arrowhead necklace as a

26:50

memento. A month

26:52

later, another woman named Andrea

26:54

Altieri, nicknamed Fish by her

26:56

friends because of the fish-shaped

26:58

charm she always wore, joined

27:00

Anchorage Police Detective McSean Farrell's

27:02

list of missing persons. Andrea

27:22

Altieri met Robert at the Alaskan Bush Company

27:24

where she worked. Robert convinced Andrea

27:48

to go on a date with him to

27:50

a local mall, promising to buy her some

27:52

nice things. forced

28:00

her into his car, handcuffed and blindfolded

28:02

her and drove her to a remote

28:04

area where he coerced her into performing

28:06

sexual acts before killing her. Unlike

28:09

before, Robert decided against digging a shallow

28:11

grave. Instead, he filled a duffel bag

28:13

with dirt, tied it to Andrea's lifeless

28:16

body and shrew her into a river

28:19

where she would never be found. But

28:22

before disposing of her, he took

28:24

the fish-shaped charm necklace as

28:26

his trophy. Speaking

28:28

of trophies. So around this time, Robert,

28:31

who was always seeking new trills, he

28:34

decided to broaden his criminal activities by

28:36

dabbling in a wee bit of insurance

28:38

fraud. So he claimed that during a

28:40

break-in at his house, several hunting trophies,

28:42

certainly one where the mounted heads of

28:44

animals did be shot. He said that

28:46

they were stolen from his den in

28:48

the basement. And his insurance

28:51

scheme succeeded. The settlement of money he

28:53

got, he was able to purchase the

28:55

plane, which he shouldn't have

28:57

been flying because of. Remember before when he got

28:59

off, they said he had this psychotic disorder. Yeah,

29:01

right, right. He was using the mental illness defense.

29:03

Yes, so the medication he was on, he shouldn't

29:05

be flying the plane with it. Yeah. So

29:09

he purchased the plane, which he shouldn't have, and then he

29:11

also bought a new bakery. So he was now the owner

29:13

of a bakery on this money he got. Couldn't get away

29:15

from the powdered sugar. I just say, snort all day. So

29:18

I guess we can add insurance fraud to

29:20

his long list of crimes. The very worst.

29:22

But this little scam of his, it will

29:24

come back to bite him on the ass

29:26

later in a huge way. Oh,

29:28

you're teasing me, Keith. So

29:31

for years, Robert continued his pattern

29:33

of hunting women. During this

29:35

time, multiple women went missing. Here

29:38

are a few that are documented. Sue

29:41

Luna, Tammy Pederson, Paula

29:44

Goulding, Angela Fedorn, Teresa

29:47

Watson. The number of

29:49

women became so numerous that Robert struggled to keep

29:51

track of them all. In addition

29:53

to keeping trophies, he began marking their burial

29:55

sites on one of his aviation maps. At

29:59

this stage, Robert felt, he had

30:01

complete control, viewing himself as the

30:03

ultimate hunter. Until one

30:05

woman managed to escape his

30:08

grasp. On

30:10

June 13th, 1983, the following call

30:12

came over police radios. Uh,

30:15

investigate circumstances involving a white female, adled,

30:17

picked up by her complainant, taken into

30:19

the mush in. Female is said to

30:21

be handcuffed, has medium brown hair, wearing

30:23

a purple jacket, Levi's and no shoes.

30:26

You didn't say over. Over. Are

30:28

you over? That

30:31

was 17 year old Cindy Paulson. Cindy

30:34

informed the police that while she was

30:36

working in the Tenderloin district, making my

30:39

loins quite tender, a man

30:41

in a family car approached and offered her $200 for a

30:43

BJ. $200 for a BJ? Back in this, back in the

30:45

eighties in this

30:49

economy? Even Keith can say no to that.

30:51

He's not gay, but $200 is $200. Let me say. 100%

30:54

of the time. You can

30:57

say no to $200. The

30:59

money was just too tempting and so she got

31:01

into his car. Once again, Robert

31:03

pulled out a gun and threatened her, stating that he

31:05

would take her to his house and she must comply

31:07

with his demands or he would kill her. Upon

31:10

arriving at his house, he led her to

31:12

the basement where he handcuffed her and placed

31:14

a chain around her neck. He

31:16

then proceeded to sexually assault her for

31:18

what seemed like hours and at one

31:21

point he even inserted a hammer into

31:23

her. Unfortunately, that was

31:25

only the beginning of what Robert had

31:27

planned for Cindy. Once he

31:29

finished, he put her back in his car and told

31:31

her he was going to fly her up to his

31:33

cabin and quote, treat her special.

31:36

When they arrived at the airport, Robert

31:38

got out to move some items from

31:40

the car to his Super Cub plane.

31:43

However, he left the driver's door

31:46

unlocked. Seizing her opportunity,

31:48

Cindy opened the door and

31:50

booked it. Handcuffed and

31:52

barefoot, Cindy felt the

31:54

cold air burning her lungs as she

31:57

sprinted, but was spurred on by Robert's

34:01

of course though Robert didn't tell John the

34:03

whole truth. He just said he

34:05

had a dispute over money with a sex worker

34:07

and needed John to back him up to keep

34:10

things from blowing it out. Hey listen, I don't

34:12

want to let's not make a mint out of

34:14

a mole here folks. The

34:16

police eventually showed up at Robert's house to

34:18

question him and did a initial search of

34:21

his place. However Robert had

34:23

done a thorough job of cleaning up

34:25

and his alibi with John Henning seemed

34:27

solid. It looked like it was

34:30

going to be another which we've seen time and

34:32

time again with Robert Hanson. Hey listen, we can't

34:34

let other people live in Robert Hanson which is

34:36

the old he said she said situation where he

34:39

said tends to ultimately win out.

34:42

But not this time. Yeah at

34:44

this point the case it did seem

34:46

to really hit a dead end for

34:48

the police. They lacked solid evidence against

34:50

Robert except for the testimony of this

34:52

sex worker. However while reviewing

34:54

Robert's records they'd noticed that he'd

34:56

claimed his hunting trophies were stolen

34:59

in that insurance fraud which resulted

35:01

in a significant insurance payout. So

35:04

this discovery intrigued the police

35:06

because during the initial search of Robert's

35:08

basement they had seen several hunting trophies

35:10

mounted on his wall. Were these the

35:13

same trophies that had been reported stolen?

35:16

Did Robert commit insurance fraud? So the

35:18

suspicion was enough to obtain a warrant for

35:20

a thorough search of the house. Get back

35:22

to biting them on greedy

35:25

gusts. Greedy gusts over here. Fucking

35:27

hell he deserves it. Oh my

35:29

actions. Yeah. Police

35:32

turned his house upside down until

35:34

they finally came across something interesting within

35:37

the insulation in the attic. A

35:40

golden arrowhead necklace. A

35:42

custom made fish charm. There

35:45

was even an aviation map with

35:47

21 X's

35:49

on it. Some of which marked the

35:51

location where state troopers had previously found

35:53

bodies there. Robert Hansen

35:55

was arrested and using the map police were able

35:58

to find more than a dead end. I've

38:00

heard like some like podcast documentaries and kind

38:02

of reading stuff out online and it's nearly

38:04

worded as if like it flies him out

38:06

Into the wilderness and he's like Rambo kind

38:09

of yeah, he's not you just kind of

38:11

eating what fuck you It's like most dangerous

38:13

game style running man stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

38:15

but it's interesting as well what you were

38:17

saying earlier on about I said something interesting.

38:19

Thank you. Very very interesting. Thank you. I'm

38:21

very very astute point Congratulations

38:24

to you for noticing my I

38:28

am great So it was when

38:30

you said that Robert he didn't hate all women It was

38:32

only the sex workers that he despised who he's seen as

38:34

you know Subhuman and expendable because

38:36

like during this whole and when he was out

38:38

at the height of his killing his wife She

38:40

took the kids to I think about the Europe

38:43

for like the summer and he took this time

38:45

to It's like oh, I think I might do

38:47

a bit of cheating, you know, just like yeah,

38:49

you know You'd already been sleeping with tons of

38:51

sex workers, but now he was actually looking for

38:53

okay and a non sex worker Fair

38:55

a relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so he put out

38:57

like an ad in the newspaper

39:00

looking for a woman and Someone

39:02

responded I think you got a number of responses, but he

39:04

went on a date with Wonder Woman I don't know how

39:06

many days went on maybe it might even just the one

39:08

or maybe a few but he went on a date With

39:10

this woman. I mean she came back to his place And

39:12

he showed all the hunting trophies in the den and stuff

39:15

and he asked was like are you interested like we

39:17

go from? You know move move moving along go up

39:19

to the bedroom get things on she was like, no,

39:21

I'm not interested I don't do in the first days

39:23

like okay fair enough. He respected it So it was

39:25

just so weird that he was able to compartmentalize whereas

39:28

like she wasn't sex workers who respected it Yeah, like

39:30

but yeah, like it was only years later where she

39:32

then was like, oh my god I got away with

39:34

like not being like one

39:36

of his victims. Yeah, very lucky like but

39:38

exactly It's it definitely seems like he totally

39:40

compartmentalized his life between this clean cut wouldn't

39:43

hurt a fly If you're quote unquote decent

39:45

folk in his view, but if you're anything

39:47

less than that, you're like, you know vermin

39:49

Yeah, like that, you know speaking

39:51

it hurt a flight. This is completely off topic, but you

39:53

just remind me of something and it was really funny Okay,

39:55

we were in we're in the house your night. There

39:58

was a big like blue box I'll fly flying

40:00

around our kitchen. Nothing

40:02

worse, nasty. So I got like a towel and I

40:04

wrapped it up. And you know, you got to whip

40:07

it, but I never actually do it. But I rolled

40:09

it up and I whipped it. I hit it so

40:11

well. I got the whoosh. Nice. Got

40:13

the fly, I shot across the room, hit

40:16

my wife in the forehead. Killed

40:19

the fly on her forehead and fell to the ground.

40:21

And she was like, shook. She's like, what the fuck

40:23

was that? That rocks. And it was my first attempt.

40:26

I went whoosh, and the fly right across the kitchen,

40:28

hit her in the head and fell down. I

40:30

was like, yeah, I completely forgot about it. You just

40:32

said killed the fly. Oh, I'm glad you already said

40:34

that in your microphone. So we have that on record.

40:39

All right. And so ends part

40:41

two of Robert Hanson, the Butcher Baker of

40:43

Alaska. Folks, thank you so much for listening.

40:46

It means a lot to me. It

40:48

means a lot to Keith that you're here. Keith,

40:51

have we any ideas what the next, you

40:54

know, a teaser for the folks at home,

40:56

what some of the next upcoming episodes are going to be? You

40:59

sent me a couple of scripts. I sent you some

41:01

ideas of some scripts. I know a lot of

41:03

folks actually like the Mothman episode. We

41:06

really enjoyed that one too. And I see a lot

41:08

of people, a lot of positive comments about that. We,

41:11

me and Keith, really do enjoy the

41:13

more spookier ones, the urban legends, the

41:15

cryptids, the ghost stories. True crime, serial

41:17

killers are great and awesome. But sometimes

41:19

it does get very dark and very

41:21

heavy. So it's nice to lighten it

41:23

up with a bit more of a

41:25

ghost story or more of a spooky

41:27

one than an actual like Robert Hanson

41:29

story. Yeah. And I think the reason why I

41:32

like those spooky ones so much is because they're not

41:34

so heavy on facts, shall we say. So I can

41:36

put my own theories in a lot. Oh, yeah. That's

41:38

the funnest thing is to talk to you. Try to

41:40

come at me. How are you going to prove me

41:42

wrong? Exactly. I love that. Yeah, we can just shoot

41:44

your shit. Yeah, make a man's mouth off. But

41:47

no, I think some of the ones we

41:49

sent are some more modern, just one modern

41:51

story, one wack it a

41:53

duch Leo story of a guy with

41:56

a lot of tigers. And yeah,

41:58

we'll probably do some more. some

42:00

more urban legends, you had a ghost story. It's

42:03

kind of like half ghost story, half true crime story.

42:05

Which I really like, don't say the name. Don't say,

42:07

okay, okay. No spoilers, free hands at home. You

42:10

always leave them wanting more. Got to go. Every

42:12

day for different. But we're gonna

42:14

do that one. And let's see. saying

42:17

it earlier on. Did you just interrupt me? Keith?

42:20

Well, I didn't do it in the last episode. I'm shaking

42:22

with rage right now. You have no idea. I'm so glad

42:24

we're here on this podcast because I can't look at you

42:26

again. Just like, smack. Yeah,

42:29

we were talking about earlier on about cryptids. We

42:32

were saying that you were saying the Mothman, so it's

42:34

so good. But I know we kind of want to

42:36

stay away from the big ones, Bigfoot and Loch Ness

42:38

Monster. Wow, man, Loch and Load,

42:41

that concept of Bigfoot. But yeah, we probably

42:43

won't do Bigfoot and Loch Ness just because

42:45

the thing about the Mothman and what makes

42:47

this story so good, we sent this off

42:49

mic, but hey, listen, Maisie will

42:51

say it on my mic. Is that it's one

42:53

story and it's very definite about what people saw

42:55

and it's very confined. Whereas if you go into

42:57

Bigfoot, it's like you got a hundred years of

42:59

maybe I saw something in the woods or same

43:02

with Loch Ness. There's no real story there. It's

43:04

just sightings or Mothman has a proper story that

43:06

has a real life event that actually happened that

43:09

it all leads up to. Yeah, so we're looking

43:11

for good cryptids. So if you've any examples of good stories,

43:14

yesterrinos, let us know.

43:16

But in the meantime, we will keep searching because I'm sure

43:18

we'll find some. And you know what we could always do

43:20

is another cryptids urban legends part three, like we did or

43:23

part two. Like we do with Goatman and shit. Whatever was

43:25

that a fun thing. You

43:27

know what food for talk. That's some nachos for

43:29

your brain if you ask me. All

43:32

right, so listen folks, a lot of more stories

43:34

to come. So please, you

43:36

know, wait with baited Brett as I know you

43:38

already are. And we'll talk

43:41

to you next week. All

43:43

right, thanks for listening. It means a lot to me

43:45

and Keith. And yeah, listen, we'll wrap it

43:47

up. I'll see you. There you

43:49

did. He said the thing. All right, thanks guys.

43:52

Bye. It

43:56

was around this time that another woman experienced a

43:59

very similar ordeal. to Christie. However,

44:01

in this case, the woman did not escape with

44:03

her... ...bears

44:05

killing me. The woman did

44:08

not escape with her. I

44:14

gotta stop drinking beer. I haven't even drank in

44:16

a while. I had a long day

44:18

today.