0:01

I'll tell you my story down here. Wait. Wait.

0:03

No. No. No. Stop. Okay. Sorry.

0:05

It's not dangerous to the story. I don't care about you saying.

0:07

No. Is it just talk more. I'm trying to get it because

0:09

it's not it feels like picking your your volume up very,

0:11

very low. This is the first episode of how

0:13

to guest on. And we're talking about

0:15

ghosts. Let's go one, two,

0:17

go on tree. Okay.

0:19

132.

0:20

True. Oh, it is untrue. Yo. Yeah. I'm never having you on

0:22

this podcast ever again. Alright. One,

0:24

two.

0:37

You know when you're recording paranormal activities.

0:41

Mhmm. So you ask it goes to Oh,

0:43

tell me one. If you're in the room, knock.

0:46

Was that a ghost? Is that a good Hello. Come on. When

0:48

when you look at the sound waves of it, so

0:50

if he like, oh, if I knock the table,

0:53

if we look the sound waves, it, like, it peaks

0:55

and then goes lower and it tapers off. Mhmm.

0:57

Where if it goes knocks, it's

1:00

like reverse goes and I go Ep9

1:02

to the

1:02

bank. Yeah. So forever What does that mean?

1:04

Means as a ghost. Not good.

1:06

But what does it mean? Do ghosts walk backwards?

1:09

Is is my question? Do you think they do everything in

1:11

reverse? Are ghosts humans

1:14

with the rewind button breast is what I'm asking.

1:16

That's the question. Live

1:17

live in life in reverse Interesting.

1:19

Kind of are because there are dead people walking around,

1:22

which is like the opposite of human people walking

1:24

around. Hey, you, and welcome.

1:26

My name is Mike. And in this old podcast, we

1:29

get in the spooky. Extremely spooky

1:31

because get a load of this. There's

1:34

someone in the room. Get

1:36

the gun. Don't come in. Have a gun. Which

1:38

is exactly what somebody did

1:40

actually in this story, somebody

1:42

got the gun, but we will get to that.

1:45

This is a story which involves Georgian

1:48

London. Governors, other

1:52

London London

1:53

things. Hello,

1:55

May? Hello, mate. There we go.

1:57

That's the that's pretty

1:58

much Yeah. Does that Does that advise him?

2:00

Smog, coal, child

2:03

labor? Ding, dang. Yeah.

2:05

Big big fan, cheap labor. Mhmm. But

2:07

most importantly, this story it involves a ghost

2:10

and a gun. Have you ever seen a

2:12

ghost? No.

2:15

Honestly, no, I've never seen a ghost. I

2:17

have no good ghost stories. At

2:20

all.

2:21

You, a named stranger who haven't introduced

2:23

to the podcast yet? No.

2:25

I've never seen ghost yet. I'd be the same as you.

2:28

Super interested in all everything paranormal

2:30

-- Yeah. -- all spooky

2:32

shit. But, yeah, person and myself,

2:34

I've never experienced ironing

2:37

out of the ordinary. I'd love to

2:39

and I'm very open to it. I feel maybe that's

2:41

what's wrong. Maybe I'm like coming

2:43

on too strong. I'm I'm too eager to do this.

2:46

I think you were yeah. Maybe I maybe I need

2:48

to play it cool more and they'll and they'll

2:50

come to

2:50

me. I think they can smell your desperation at

2:53

this point. That's why you're not seeing ghosts. That's it.

2:55

Yeah. I feel like I I'd have, like, too many questions

2:57

for the girls.

2:58

So -- Yeah. -- who are

2:58

you? Where have you been? You're like the the guy

3:00

at the night club. He's like, you know, why are you enjoying?

3:03

Yeah. Yeah. And then No. You got

3:05

it. Exact the girls just like, listen buddy.

3:07

I'm just here to scare couple of people. For

3:09

this old episode, I'm not alone

3:12

in my little black boy. I'm

3:14

joint. Bye. How

3:16

would I describe you? I'm mysterious and enigma.

3:19

Really, I think, is the best way to put it.

3:21

Some, Some now may call

3:23

him a man of mystery. Others, they just call

3:25

him Keith. Guest sex ordinary

3:28

on the event podcast. Keith,

3:30

Welcome. Thank you very much. It's great to

3:32

be here. My listeners, my credible listeners, they

3:34

want they wanna learn a little bit more about

3:36

you. And you tell them tell

3:38

them a little bit. Folks on whom are curious. Who

3:40

is this cat? Who just suddenly appeared on that

3:42

shopper

3:43

podcast?

3:43

Who am I? Where

3:44

would they have heard of you? Yeah. I'm just Just

3:47

just regular dude. Just as someone

3:49

who enjoys

3:50

spooky shifts. It's funny, like, we're both

3:52

from Ireland, and I feel like there's It's

3:54

kinda like a wider consensus for all of them just kinda

3:57

being like haunted and

3:58

spooky. You got old. It's

4:00

lot

4:00

of history there.

4:01

A lot of history. A lot of history castle.

4:03

Yeah, old, haunted forests, you

4:06

know, pagan things, a lot of mythology,

4:08

stuff like the banshee, and that kind of stuff,

4:10

you know, it's it's pretty pretty creepy. You know, I've never

4:13

experienced scene or experienced, nor

4:15

experienced the ghost rather ever.

4:18

Now my how'd I know my family has?

4:20

Some ghost stories from the fam. My

4:22

grandmother, she used to say she could hear

4:24

the band she before somebody died. Literally

4:26

no joke she actually would say it. No. I don't know yet.

4:29

No. I'm not joking. Shashanga would say, no, don't maybe

4:31

she was saying it to, like, fucking just scared against

4:33

it. Something, but we

4:33

would believe it. And she was a very she's one

4:36

of those old women who were, like, give people

4:38

books into paranormal and supernatural. And

4:40

she was definitely, like, one of those cats. He was

4:42

really interested in, like, spiritualism and

4:45

stuff like

4:45

that, which I guess we will get it more into in this said,

4:47

but this is your family home.

4:50

I'm not gonna say where? But your family home, which

4:52

I know there's like a a history of witches

4:54

and stuff out

4:55

there. Right? Mhmm. Yeah? Yes. It's actually well, the

4:57

house is actually built on a gray not a gray beard.

4:59

A so it's it's in, like,

5:01

a kind of this little, like, I don't know what you call

5:03

neighborhood, and it's all built in a jail.

5:05

Like, literally, the road is called old jail,

5:07

like, old jail road or something. Right. And

5:10

the thing was when they were building houses, like,

5:13

probably close to a hundred years ago now,

5:16

I remember that so it was it was a jail that had been demolished

5:18

and they were building all these houses decide to jail. And

5:20

the person like, one of the architects or something said,

5:22

one of those houses is on the graveyard. In

5:24

jail's graveyard. Okay. But they would never say which house

5:26

-- Right. -- for obvious reasons. But

5:29

so, like, people who haven't convinced that this

5:31

house was on the graveyard of

5:33

the jail, like, people who have been there,

5:35

people who I would trust, I believe, their stories.

5:38

Like, these are not, like, crockpots who believe in

5:40

all sorts of ways. Like, these are very scientific, serious

5:43

people. They have said, like, they have experienced

5:45

things in his house, like, fell people

5:47

in the room, felt somebody standing

5:50

behind

5:50

them, heard somebody coming up stares.

5:52

He was watching one person. I know. He

5:55

stayed there for a couple nights. He refused to stay

5:57

that house ever again. And he said, like, a doctor

5:59

or something. Right. Yeah. But he said he would never send

6:01

it or Yeah. Exactly. Like, he wasn't bullshit.

6:03

Like, he would have no reason to bullshit. You're looking

6:06

away? Yeah. Having said that, I've stayed in this

6:08

house that I'm talking about, like, many

6:10

times. Never experience anything. Right.

6:12

Ever. Even, like, that's the thing

6:14

about kind of haunted as I always feel like even

6:16

if it's you don't believe in it's nothing

6:19

there or whatever. I feel like if you had the

6:21

idea oh, if somebody told you, oh, this place is on it.

6:23

You'd start your brain. We'd start playing tricks in

6:25

you. And you'd start hearing things or, like, head's

6:27

just settling and you'd be like, oh, it's a ghost. You

6:29

know, your psychology would second working against

6:32

you when you'd get

6:32

really, really freaked out. But no, I never that's

6:35

interesting to say that. We had my

6:37

first year in college. We lived in, like, a very

6:39

very old house. And

6:42

it was We'd always hear in the middle of

6:44

the night add, like, doors, slab,

6:46

and creek. And so, Bosch, like, there was never

6:48

any a draft. There was never a draft. There

6:50

went through the house like or any

6:52

wind. All the windows were always closed and so

6:55

forth. Everywhere, like, maybe, like, one o'clock

6:57

in Morrison, we'd hear, like, a door slam shot. And

6:59

we go, like, nothing would be there. But

7:01

started making a joke about that to start. And

7:03

we just called the ghost Frank, you know.

7:05

And and it was fun. Yeah. We we did we

7:08

hear a noise like, I Frank, and then we

7:10

just move on where I think we had to start

7:12

getting scared from start and

7:13

freak. So I would say we probably would have heard

7:15

more

7:16

That poor

7:16

cousin kind of made a joke about it. We never thought

7:18

about it and kind of went away, but

7:21

we didn't feed into it.

7:22

Yeah. What a great story. Thanks very much.

7:25

So today's great

7:28

story to come. It went nowhere. It's always

7:30

seen nothing. Okay. So the point

7:32

of story is, I've anyone was going

7:34

on there. Anyway, a door slammed.

7:37

Oh, shit, man. So

7:39

today's story, we'll just get into it now.

7:41

Is one, it's Keith, this is a story

7:44

now that straddles the line

7:46

between ghost story and true crime,

7:48

which is my My

7:50

Forte. Forte. That's the word as important.

7:52

My brain failed in the upper

7:53

seconds.

7:54

Yeah. I'm sure you guys over there, but III do like,

7:56

I think those things all that kind of stuff is really fascinating.

7:58

So I wanna talk little more about And we will begin

8:00

with this Ep9, which as I said, straddles

8:03

the line. And this is a story that definitely still

8:05

resonates. In fact,

8:07

on the third of January two thousand

8:09

four, to mark the 200th anniversary

8:12

of the events of today's tale,

8:14

a group of ghost hunters gathered in London

8:17

at the same site and they raised a toast

8:20

to a bricklayer whose stubbornness

8:22

along with another man's recklessness mixed

8:25

with a couple beers became a

8:27

two hundred year long

8:29

headache for the British courts. Let's

8:31

do it. So you properly set

8:33

the scene. We need to delve into a

8:35

real quick history lesson here for you folks.

8:38

In the early eighteen hundreds, which is

8:40

when this story takes place. You got

8:42

your Thomas Jefferson, you got your Napoleon,

8:45

you got your Beethoven, that

8:47

dog must be real old at this stage.

8:49

So some things, you know, were dicey different

8:52

times, good for some, you know, not all.

8:54

And that's made out as much as the historical context,

8:56

you know. And the important part here tell the story and I

8:58

get all the details

8:59

wrong, which is the whole historical context we've got

9:01

going on here.

9:03

Things were uncertain though to put it lightly, you know.

9:05

It's what called what was called the romantic

9:07

Ep9. Of the arts, poetry paintings,

9:10

but war. Especially in England,

9:12

where our story takes place was was in

9:14

the minds of the general oculus, especially

9:17

word the French. French man

9:19

Ep9 to no good. As usual,

9:21

add it again, add it again, it again, plastic for

9:23

the lads over there. So specifically, Hammersmith

9:26

is where we are visiting today. And

9:28

in the nineteenth century, it

9:30

was pretty far away from being the Hustalin,

9:33

bustling London borough, that it

9:35

is today. Yeah. Yeah. To

9:37

for those who don't know where Hammersmith is, it's pretty

9:39

central. It's it's west of places

9:41

like Buckingham Palace and Hyde Park.

9:44

Today, it's the London borough of Hammersmith

9:47

and Fulham. Known for being the home of tree

9:49

football clubs. Tree under

9:51

grass. Tree. Chelsea

9:54

full amount of ant queens crack rangers, they all

9:56

call it home. So back then, this Hammersmith

9:59

area and, you know, they it

10:01

it was we still kinda was, like, semi rural.

10:03

Like, there's still lots of

10:04

fields. It wasn't, like, you

10:07

know,

10:07

not the village of this day. Yeah. Not not not

10:09

the little hamlet of this today. So,

10:11

like, today, it's one of the most it has one of the most

10:13

expensive residential properties

10:16

in the whole of the UK. And as you can probably

10:18

guess, Hammers would, though, of the early eighteen

10:20

hundreds, as I said. It was an entirely

10:22

different world from what it is today. This

10:24

is before running

10:25

water, before gas mains, and even

10:27

electricity. This would have been

10:29

time when there would have been used in Hualis. Whale.

10:31

Oil? No. I'm not whaled. Indeed.

10:34

Yes. Exactly. Mhmm. Indeed.

10:36

Definitely. I don't have a good old time with the weather, hunting,

10:39

killing whales. And

10:41

people like that, they were very they're

10:43

still very superstitious. It wasn't

10:45

too hard to find like a Camp Fire story.

10:47

And a story that would eventually snowball

10:50

into, like, a mass hysteria. Like,

10:52

one story, one bad time, another guy's story,

10:55

and then every is freaky out the next day.

10:57

And the people of these days though, well, I I feel

10:59

like what's important to know about people of these days,

11:01

these early, like, this is late George

11:03

and early Victorian times. They loved

11:06

horror. More way more even than we do

11:08

nowadays. I think they loved horror. They loved

11:10

ghost stories. It was like, one

11:11

of everyday life. It was everyday life.

11:14

Yeah. Exactly. It was it wouldn't it was the primary

11:16

topic of conversation in the virus and

11:18

the dens and whatever you'd be up

11:19

to. Like, this was this was an age

11:22

that they strongly believed in

11:24

phrenology. So, like, know, the reading of

11:26

fortunes via the bumps on their heads.

11:28

What? Yeah. They were like, they they feel for

11:31

bumps in the heads and certain bumps in certain

11:33

things.

11:33

Wow. Yeah. So they're strongly believed in dust,

11:36

fairies, gold Sciences were

11:38

a lot. Yeah.

11:39

Galvanism, that was the theory that he had.

11:41

That's but the human body could be

11:43

reen reanimators, true electric

11:46

shocks. So it like a zombie, like

11:48

a zombie. Yeah. Or, I mean, this was rank and sign.

11:50

But also, like a zombie. Is rank and sign a zombie?

11:52

Oh, that's a cool question.

11:55

Brings the zombie back to life? Just

11:57

homegirl now. Yeah. It's being hungry, I think.

11:59

This is tired. Where I

12:01

Where where Franklin is, like, a third priority to stepping.

12:03

Goope. Yeah. And so this

12:06

was sorry. Do you more? No. No. No. No.

12:07

I was gonna talk about more for breakfast. Yeah.

12:10

There you

12:10

go. Go. Go off. K.

12:11

No. It wasn't even frank because it was about your

12:13

series. So so this was

12:15

a time between the publications of

12:18

the Castle of Otranto by Horus

12:20

Walpoo, which is widely regarded as the

12:22

first gothic horror novel, and

12:24

Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, which is an eighteen.

12:26

Hey, fucking Frank's saying, in eighteen,

12:28

eighteen, you told us something again this bastard. Horrifician

12:31

like this sounds all the rage amongst the

12:34

intellectuals at the time. And

12:36

essentially, those lucky enough to be able to afford the

12:38

blockbuster novels essentially also being

12:40

able to have the education enough to read

12:42

them. Like, this was during the time and

12:44

history during the industrial revolution.

12:47

So you had masses of people coming from

12:49

the countryside to the big smoke,

12:52

and they were bringing all these superstitions

12:55

from the countryside in with them to the cities.

12:57

And oftentimes, they would move into like these big

13:00

huge spooky houses that

13:02

would have secret passageways. And

13:05

servants who dressed like ghosts. Like,

13:07

it was very eerie, a very eerie time

13:09

to live, and it was very strange for everybody to be

13:11

there. So you can imagine people would start

13:14

Believing in ghosts and, you know, ghosts

13:16

were like so much part of the everyday life that

13:18

there was actual real life

13:20

ghostbusters. Well, the nineteenth century.

13:22

Oh, oh, geez.

13:25

Tell me more. Tell me more. So in the

13:28

eighteen sixties, there was a society

13:30

called The Golf Club. Nice.

13:32

And this was launched in London,

13:34

England. This had started

13:36

at Trinity College in Cambridge where

13:39

a couple of gentlemen started

13:41

meeting to talk about ghosts, spirits,

13:43

and all things supernatural. Defounding

13:48

member of this group was Charles

13:50

Dickens. No way.

13:52

Gotta add my mortal enemy.

13:54

Charles Dickens added again

13:55

that's like a Oh, he he

13:57

loves to go so I mean, he did write

14:00

the Christmas and Christmas Carol, which is an

14:02

early, like, a a ghost story for pretty much

14:04

from little bit later than I were talking about, but essentially

14:06

the same period.

14:07

Yeah. Same story. Love Leo. Love that.

14:09

There was an an an older member as well. He was an

14:11

older author. It was a Sir Arthur

14:13

Conan

14:14

Doyle, the creator of Sherlock

14:16

Holmes.

14:17

Is that okay? Yeah. So they were about early

14:19

members at the club. Yeah, they

14:21

would mainly investigate and debunk

14:23

hauntings all across London.

14:25

So this was, like, happening during, like, the peak of

14:27

spiritualism within London where you couldn't move

14:29

a sales

14:30

club. Unfortunately, this group was

14:32

still seen the goofy and bit silly.

14:34

Even unlike today. Yeah. Unlike today.

14:36

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But,

14:38

yeah, they did manage to debunk and,

14:41

like, they they had couple of cases

14:43

that they had. Really? Yeah. One one the

14:45

big ones that they debunked was

14:47

the act of the Davenport brothers who

14:49

were a team of American magicians during

14:51

England of time. So what they used to

14:53

do is they used to go into a box

14:56

and they get tied up in in the box

14:58

with instruments and in box to be sealed

15:01

And then the instruments would start playing. Oh.

15:03

And then the little bit taken off the box,

15:05

you can see Norancelot tied up inside. And

15:07

they're like, oh, who's playing? It's like, when he called on the

15:09

spirits, to play the I mean, the

15:12

the ghost Ep9, they debunked the whole thing, and essentially,

15:14

they ruined the dark reporters' love you. How

15:16

are they doing? Oh, no. Actually,

15:18

let's go crazy. They

15:20

were cheating. They were using magic. But, yeah, the gold

15:22

coat, that's it's still ongoing to this

15:24

day. So, yeah, crazy. That's crazy. I go stories

15:26

yet. They were all the rage. They were common

15:28

in the pubs across the country. You know, these are superstitious

15:30

people who gobbled all that

15:33

stuff. These stories would

15:35

pass into urban legend every

15:37

so often being brought out after

15:40

probably some kind of incidents, you know, a murder,

15:42

something like that, that would have a link to an

15:44

old tail, which would catch the public

15:46

consciousness and earn itself a new round

15:48

of telling the next generation.

15:51

So our story begins in

15:54

the dead -- Hey. Look what I did there.

15:56

-- of winter eighteen o three.

15:58

The people of were then

16:00

trone. So when we pick them up and fuck them

16:02

into their very young ghost story, which would have very

16:05

real. Consequences. And it began

16:07

with several sightings and even bam

16:09

bam, nuke of your head,

16:12

assaults. This story starts during Christmas,

16:14

which again, it's another time the Georgian

16:16

non Victorian peoples they have, Alyso, say, with

16:18

the with the supernatural, Christmas was always

16:20

spooky. Christmas Carol, ghosts.

16:23

Set at Christmas, everything's dark, everything's

16:25

cold, everything's spooky already. So you're gonna

16:27

be it's perfect time to tell ghost stories. Mhmm.

16:29

On the fifteenth of December eighteen

16:31

o three, Thomas Groom, a

16:33

Dreman, which was a beer delivery

16:35

guy, and more in mind if he asked me, He

16:37

was a a draper into a local brewer,

16:40

a mister burgess, and Thomas

16:42

Groome, he had a close encounter with

16:45

the spirits while he

16:47

and another worker were walking home

16:49

just after eight PM. Like

16:51

many sightings pretty much all the sightings

16:53

they took place in the vicinity

16:55

of the graveyard of Saint

16:57

Paul's Church. Now,

17:00

this was the location of a number of

17:02

of previous sightings. Some of you had seen things

17:05

in that graveyard, spooky, going

17:07

songs. And there's some villagers,

17:09

they believe, the ghosts. Belonged to

17:11

a man who had slit his own throat there.

17:14

A year earlier, he'd cut his own throat

17:16

down. Sure chairs, they're not ready to most

17:19

you know, relaxing places, I guess, to wander

17:21

at night, and then let alone

17:23

a whispers of a possible demon being seen

17:25

in, you know, the the graveyard in the

17:27

back of your mind. And the man so they believed

17:29

that this was it was haunted by the the ghost

17:31

of a guy who killed himself, and

17:33

a you know, this guy was buried in in the graveyard,

17:36

and the common thought of his time was that He

17:38

had various suicide on unholy ground.

17:41

So, Thomas, he was walking among

17:43

the graves, on his way home at around eight Ep9

17:45

that December evening, When all

17:48

of a sudden, he described his

17:50

experience as as like an attack

17:52

with the figure surprising him

17:54

from a tombstone and grabbing

17:56

him by the Trot. His

17:58

fellow worker, hearing a commotion behind,

18:01

asked what was happening, when whatever

18:03

it was The thing, me being

18:05

spun him around, Thomas, he'd try

18:07

out a fist to try and get this creature

18:09

off him. He felt something soft, so

18:12

it's corporeal, I guess. We

18:14

felt something there. Like, he would describe it as

18:16

a like a great coach. And

18:18

then, this mysterious being, somehow

18:21

vanished into the ten air, the only

18:23

the crisp winter nights behind

18:25

him. So in the days after the

18:28

assault by this operation. At Thomas,

18:30

he he fell ill with it with a terrible

18:32

fever and he suffered from that for

18:34

a long time. But then he

18:36

busily recovered to recount his

18:39

experience. So essentially, he got

18:41

ghostly. And then the Scots Magazine at

18:43

the time imprinted story of an elderly

18:45

woman who also ran into

18:47

the Hammersmith ghost. And

18:49

this old woman was literally driven insane

18:51

by what she saw.

18:54

What did she see? I don't know. I wasn't

18:56

there, but I imagine it was pretty spooked. I

18:58

love that. It's like, oh, it was so

18:59

horrifying. A drover is

19:01

saying. That's all I couldn't pass me exactly. It was it

19:03

was too scary. Yeah. Exactly. Another tale

19:05

of the Hammersmith ghost was of a horse

19:08

drawn coach, complete with sixteen

19:10

passengers who were left mystified when

19:13

their driver fled the coach in

19:15

fear. He'd apparently caught sight of

19:17

the operation and had been so frightened by

19:19

it that he just completely abandoned

19:22

his passengers and the eight horses, which

19:24

to be honest, sounds pretty funny.

19:26

Like, mean, horses are probably faster

19:28

news. So I like it really there's also,

19:30

like, it must've been very confusing for the past years.

19:32

Yeah. One of the accounts that I read was

19:35

the cowachment, like, he jumped off and was,

19:37

like, fled into the nearest pub

19:39

-- Mhmm. -- to sound the alarm. Where

19:41

related to the passengers, this was just It's just

19:43

it's just I don't know where the the couch when this jumps

19:46

off and it runs into nears Bob's

19:47

screaming, which in fact that's a

19:49

great way to get off work and one I will be

19:51

trying. Let's get to real story though. And altogether,

19:54

more shocking event, which had much more

19:56

darker ending, well, it was later reported

19:58

when an unnamed pregnant woman she

20:00

witnessed a tall white figure

20:03

rise from among the tombstones in

20:05

the churchyard. And that side caused

20:07

her to faint, seeing this

20:10

being. She was found and

20:12

taken home several hours later by neighbors.

20:15

They put her to bed. And the woman died

20:17

just a couple of hours

20:18

later. I allegedly Judith

20:20

Wright. So this woman, you're saying she died of

20:22

Wright, but it was also she,

20:24

like, she fainted. And several hours

20:27

later, they found

20:28

her. I brought cheap die from exposure.

20:29

Definitely. This

20:31

was in December. It wasn't

20:32

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was in there for hours.

20:34

Just trying to, like, it's, like, freezing to death.

20:36

Yeah. He's very blue by the time they find

20:38

her. Here's a quote, right, about the story. This is

20:40

from a newspaper time. One poor

20:42

woman in particular when crossing near

20:44

the churchyard at about ten o'clock at

20:46

night. So I think there you go. Beheld

20:49

something as she described rise.

20:51

Well, she only said the figure was very tall and

20:53

very white, so tall like

20:55

I. She attempted to run but

20:58

the ghost soon overtook her and pressed

21:00

her in his arms when she fainted.

21:02

In which situation she remained for some errors,

21:05

still discovered by some neighbors who kindly let

21:07

her home when she took to her bed from

21:09

which

21:10

alas. She never

21:12

rose. The

21:13

locals of Südnerstein, they were genuinely

21:16

terrified. You know what? It started in the pub

21:18

with rumblings of strange sightings and

21:20

half overheard whisper tales, ghostly

21:23

figure turned into a full blown

21:25

hysteria. Story

21:27

by story, the local legend built

21:29

up in the neighborhood game of

21:31

telephone, or one person saw a inspector

21:33

rush across their view. Next,

21:36

someone had been confronted and even assaulted

21:38

by a giant demonic figure clad

21:41

in animal skin which sounds

21:43

pretty fucking

21:44

cool. That's even more terrifying.

21:46

Like, from today's standards, you know, like even

21:48

like, I've heard some accounts where it was just during

21:51

a long white

21:51

shroud. It it like, essentially a tablecloth

21:54

or a or a bench limit. That's

21:56

not that's scary. For it, like, for someone to kinda

21:59

be, like, wearing the skin of a

22:01

beast. Oh. That's scary. I'm just

22:03

scared today, like Yeah. That's terrifying. It's

22:05

pretty cool. And as you can say,

22:07

like, the descriptions of the haunter,

22:09

they varied from being plaid and animal skins

22:11

to being a tall person covered in a white

22:14

shroud, like a cartoon ghost.

22:16

And so people, they would hunker down in the church

22:18

graveyard waiting. They were he was gonna

22:21

catch him some ghosts. They were gonna were waiting for

22:23

the ghosts. They were like, block and load. But,

22:25

you know, in this area, there are so many small lanes

22:27

and paths in the area they can never be sure

22:30

where. It goes and strike next.

22:34

On the twenty ninth of December eighteen

22:36

o three, William Girdler, a

22:38

private night watchman. He

22:40

So the ghost on one of his nightly patrols

22:43

on Black Lion Lane,

22:45

he later described that during his

22:47

reigns, he'd seen a tall, whitish figure,

22:49

which when he approached, lifting

22:51

back a white sheet or a tablecloth to

22:54

reveal a dark cloak with metal buttons.

22:57

He chased the person but

22:59

lost them in the darkness. Now

23:01

it says he saw the ghost or he said he saw

23:04

the ghost. That's clearly not a ghost.

23:06

There's clearly a person wearing white shirt.

23:10

Gotcha. It sounds like you're mooning. I was like, yeah, I gotcha.

23:13

Okay. What do you mean? He's like he's bringing it off into the

23:15

darkness. Then two days later,

23:17

on the evening, on December thirty first,

23:20

as twenty two year old Thomas Milled.

23:22

Was walking home dressed as

23:24

always in his bricklayers garb. His

23:27

his mother-in-law, she recalled

23:29

how he was annoyed after running into

23:31

two women and a man in the churchyard

23:33

who accused

23:34

him. They accused him of being

23:36

the ghost. I love that. Excusing

23:39

you the ghost. You the ghost. Thank God.

23:41

Love to talk. No. I'm not. Yeah. You are. Yeah. You are.

23:43

You are to go this puppy. I fucking know anybody else.

23:46

I might think I was doubting myself.

23:48

What is life? The reason for this really

23:51

was that Mill Millwood's job

23:53

as a bricklayer required a very specific

23:55

type of dress, which was All

23:58

white. Head to toe in

24:00

white. So I think

24:02

we can see how there is some I kinda

24:05

see how it is gonna play

24:06

out. I can put two and two together.

24:08

Yeah. IE wore a white apron,

24:10

white head covering. So, yeah,

24:12

he kind of looks like a ghost

24:14

walking around in the middle of the night.

24:17

I mean, you're kind of asking for trouble

24:19

really at this point. What was he wearing? His

24:21

mother-in-law, missus Fulbrook warned

24:24

Thomas that he should start wearing a a large

24:26

coat to cover his trade clothes and

24:28

make him essentially not look like a ghost.

24:31

Almost as if she knew it would be a very bad

24:33

idea to walk around dressed in all white when people

24:35

were panicking and terrified of local

24:37

ghost sightings. He

24:40

said, hey, that'd be fine.

24:43

Don't worry about it. Here we go. Yeah. Be

24:45

alright. So Yeah.

24:47

But you think at this point, you know, maybe there was

24:49

literally armed trolls walking around

24:51

Hammersmith, looking for any excuse

24:53

to blow the shite head of the Tsugos. I'd

24:55

seen accounts as well for reading the court

24:57

documents where his wife said that and

25:00

she said I begged him to change

25:02

his dress. So, I

25:05

guess, like like any real man, he just rather

25:07

ignore his wife --

25:08

Yeah. -- and it's a fun way. Yeah.

25:10

Yeah. Yeah. Listened to you. Yeah. He's that brother

25:12

died. Oh, woman. So

25:15

unfair to certain his wife, probably had

25:17

a good idea what was been happen. Yep. And

25:20

and this stage ghost or not, like lot

25:22

of people realized even

25:24

if there was a ghost, there was also people

25:26

at their dressing as a ghost. And up

25:28

to all sorts, you know. So so that even

25:30

just made the locals more angry and got

25:32

more guns. They were just just just stop

25:35

it. That's what they were like man at this point. And one

25:37

of those people was Francis Smith,

25:39

a twenty nine year old customs officer.

25:42

Now, Smith was apparently infuriated

25:44

by the Frank or constantly scaring people.

25:47

And it decided he was going to put an

25:49

end to this person's one. He

25:51

said, listen here, boyo. Had enough of

25:53

this. Had enough of you. Lock on

25:55

the road. Not on my watch. Not on my watch.

25:57

So late in the evening of the third of

25:59

January eighteen o four, Smith

26:02

seven a few blurb looks in the black

26:04

line pub getting himself ready for

26:06

a night of ghost busting. And

26:08

he he was gonna pull down his pants and give him

26:10

a real sloppy one. Nope.

26:13

He was not. There was a few scoops and an

26:15

off to kill of some ghosts. But

26:17

instead of carrying a trusty proton

26:19

pack, by his side or whatever Charles Dickens

26:22

and the other guy were carrying,

26:24

he had a a

26:25

blunderbust. Now, Keith, do you know what

26:27

a blunderbust

26:27

is? Is it a sloppy one?

26:30

Yeah. Yeah. Close

26:33

in a no cigar, but it'll definitely give you a

26:35

sloppy one. It was like a more advanced musket.

26:37

Is deadly

26:38

assurance. Essentially, it was like a old timey

26:40

shotgun. Like, it was previous it's a previous assessor of a

26:42

modern It's

26:43

like those. It's like those ones from Paul's Bonino

26:45

the big long ends? Yeah.

26:46

The big ends, that looks like a trumpet. Hey, bro.

26:48

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That was essentially

26:50

it. So you blow this shite into some ghosts with

26:52

that. And so that

26:54

same night, our old friend Thomas

26:56

Millwood who still refused to

26:58

change his white garb He stopped

27:01

off after a long day at work to visit

27:03

his sister and at their parents

27:05

home in, where else, for BlackLine

27:07

Lane. And Thomas as

27:09

I said, hadn't changed his outfit.

27:12

At around ten thirty Ep9 Hammersmith

27:15

came across William Girdler who

27:17

was out on his nightly patrol. Francis

27:20

told the girdle of his intention. He's gonna

27:22

lie. He's gonna lie. He's gonna lie. He's gonna lie. Get me one of them. Go,

27:24

send it to us. He was like, somebody don't do that.

27:28

Girdler. He was dead. Fuck it. Do

27:30

a bro. Get your back, bro. He was totally he

27:32

had his back. He was supportive. And he told

27:34

me, I'll help you out after he finished. Calling

27:37

the hour as they

27:40

call it back then. Essentially during that he would

27:42

patrol. He he was gonna patrol

27:44

some of the smaller lanes and then call it the

27:46

error was essentially act as a human

27:48

clock. You would go around -- Oh. --

27:50

without eating it? Yeah. Four o'clock.

27:52

don't know if I want drunk sometimes. And that that

27:54

sounds just awful, by the way. Like, if

27:56

somebody did that or Nami, I'd get the blunderless

27:59

at that point. Like, you're not having it. You

28:01

get a lovely one. It's also important.

28:03

Like, around this time, the display at night in January.

28:06

Not too underestimate, just how dark the night

28:08

was. Like, without modern street

28:10

lighting and whale oil and her and it's

28:12

like, It was pitch like you can see your hand from

28:14

the cave dark. Absolutely cave dark.

28:17

Yeah. They did have a password.

28:19

That came up with. So so Francis Smith

28:22

and his friends had his password where

28:24

so he wouldn't mistake each other for the ghost,

28:27

so they would shout. Who comes there?

28:30

And they would say friend, and then

28:32

it gets a advanced friend. So

28:35

it looks like they taught everything. Yeah. Like,

28:38

I'd Like, they had every single saved precaution.

28:41

They possibly could. I don't see how a bunch

28:43

of scared men wrong around the dark, but bunch of

28:45

goons could possibly go wrong. Without sort of

28:47

say, future. I like it. Was it only them

28:49

in the passcode? Because it couldn't because it

28:51

was only the two of them. Couldn't you

28:53

say, hey, Thomas, is that you? Yeah.

29:00

So later on, deep into the night,

29:02

Thomas Millwood, he said goodbye to Anne,

29:04

and he left the house to go back to be

29:06

with his wife. Unfortunately, that

29:09

was at the exact same moment

29:12

as Francis Smith was passing

29:14

by. All Frances

29:16

Smith saw on that cold night in

29:18

that pitch, black alleyway was

29:20

a figure. Covered in white from

29:23

head to toe approaching him. And

29:26

at this point, his go reaction

29:28

was This is a ghost. Like the idea

29:30

that Bria prankster immediately went out the window.

29:32

The allegedly thought the ghost was

29:34

was alive, it was real, and it was coming for him.

29:37

He he was so terrified he could only manage

29:39

to yell out a few words towards millwood

29:41

shouting, damn you, who

29:43

are you? What are you? Which

29:45

he quickly followed? With a squeeze

29:48

of his guns trigger and a shot echoed

29:50

out. Try the otherwise silent

29:52

streets. You

29:55

know what? So I was reading true to court

29:57

documents and his sister

29:59

was saying that when he left, so he was

30:01

late. There were he was in his motor's house

30:03

and he was going to go meet his wife after,

30:06

and he was late to go meet his wife

30:08

and the sister said to

30:09

him, I told my brother, Your time

30:11

is expired, you would better go.

30:13

That's that's foreshadowed. Yeah. No.

30:16

Expired.

30:19

Us this way, you spelled like that? I don't know. Yeah.

30:21

And his sister heard of anybody. You

30:23

think that way she was like, oh, that How was this? Is

30:25

it? Here's Yeah. Sounds Yeah. So

30:29

when she heard the bang and she she even saw

30:31

the flash of Smith's blunderbust, like

30:34

that's how close she was. So she

30:36

ran it into the street to check on her brother

30:38

as welfare to make sure he hadn't been hurt.

30:41

Surprise surprise, he had

30:43

been hurt, but Yeah. Exactly.

30:45

Unfortunately, for Anne, her worst fear was

30:47

was quickly realized when she found her

30:49

brother lying dead in the

30:51

street. With no one else around,

30:53

and his white garb quickly turning

30:56

red. See

30:58

and see nobody else was around because if you see Francis

31:00

Smith he had ran straight to the pub where

31:02

he found his old buddy, William

31:04

Göhler. Smith Anne Göhler,

31:06

accompanied by two other men, made their

31:08

way back to where mill would lay dead.

31:12

On the told Girdler that he was

31:14

worried he'd hurt the man badly. Girdler,

31:16

he himself, he'd even heard the gunshot, even though he's

31:18

a little bit away, but back in the is back in the day.

31:20

You're gun shots. SPEAKER two:] Gonna

31:23

just be no big thing.

31:25

The norm. Yeah. So

31:27

Millwood, he had been shot in the

31:29

lower jaw, and it's likely he was

31:31

killed immediately. I

31:32

mean, this type of gun

31:35

It's like an early shot. His face would have

31:37

been pretty much gone.

31:39

There was I think from the coroner

31:41

was saying that, like, it was close range. His

31:43

face was black will competitor. Yeah. So,

31:45

like, this wasn't a shot from far

31:47

away. This was a close range shot.

31:49

We'd gone straight in the face. Exactly. These guns

31:51

weren't, like, firing. This was, like, after

31:54

musket, so it wasn't, like, the little round things

31:57

they parted. They were, like, this is, like, a shot.

31:59

Essentially, a part of shit. Them smoke like Yeah.

32:01

Exactly. So Girdler carried

32:03

Millwood's body to the black line

32:05

of where the coroner and surgeon, they

32:07

assessed the body, determined the shot

32:09

came from Smith's blunderbust and

32:11

had hit millwood in the lower left side

32:13

of his jaw, his spine, and he even penetrated

32:16

his spinal cord.

32:18

The carner said it was willful

32:20

murder. And so, Francis Smith

32:22

visibly shaken and remorseful, obviously,

32:25

extremely upset, surrendered himself

32:27

to the authorities. Smith

32:30

was held in jail until his trial began

32:32

at the Old Bailey on the thirteenth of January

32:34

eighteen

32:35

040,

32:36

just get spookier, spookier?

32:37

Oh, Why? Friday

32:40

thirteenth? Was it actually Friday thirteenth? You

32:42

can set up the thirteenth of January.

32:44

Oh, I thought I thought I thought thought I said Friday thirteenth. Smith's

32:47

defensive trial was that while he admitted

32:49

he did kill

32:50

Millwood. He's wait. Actually, maybe it was

32:52

for the presentation. January for the twenty

32:54

eighteen o fourteenth. Oh, wow. Oh,

32:57

shit. That must be just the same as conscious

32:58

owner. That's a real That's a real It's a rent of somewhere.

33:01

like, yeah. I know my kindness. know.

33:03

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sixteen over

33:05

forward to June. That's

33:07

Tuesday. Was it, like, the best you'd be the best

33:10

next

33:10

man.

33:10

I think ever. Thanks to him. We're a super perfect.

33:12

Yeah. I think, Adam Keith, What

33:15

day were you born? So

33:18

Smith's defense at trial was that while

33:20

he admitted he did kill Millwood.

33:23

He insisted it was, you know, in the mistaken

33:25

belief that Millwood was a ghost. And

33:27

so he entered a plea of not guilty.

33:30

And this is really the part of a story that would go

33:32

into haunt the legal in England for

33:34

two hundred years.

33:37

See see Francis Smith, he seemed to be

33:39

thoroughly remorseful, and he even appeared

33:41

quite traumatized by what had happened. Was

33:43

pale sickly, he was unwell, he could really

33:45

speak or stand unaided

33:48

at the trial. And Smith eventually managed

33:50

to tell the court that while he had set out

33:52

in the hope of catching that dark duty prankster

33:55

responsible. But, you know,

33:57

once he'd seen mill were millwood and his

33:59

were closed, he generally thought he was seeing

34:01

a ghost and he was essentially just shitting

34:03

himself so much. He fired the gun.

34:06

He's used to wear it to go. So he's gonna get him.

34:08

Freaked out. And so the elite

34:10

judge in the case who was lord chief

34:12

Baron McDonald. He explained to

34:14

the jury that nothing in this case could

34:16

make the crime, anything other than murder.

34:18

And so the jury could only find Smith

34:20

either guilty or not guilty of murder.

34:23

No other outcome was acceptable. And

34:26

prisons in those days not

34:28

great. The judge used the example

34:30

of if a man had set out to catch a highwayman

34:33

and not a ghost and had shot someone believing

34:35

them to be a robber, and that person turned

34:37

out to be innocent, it would still be murder.

34:40

You know, and the clear fact in the case was that

34:42

in the moment and by his own admission, Smith

34:45

had intended to kill whatever

34:47

he was shooting. He's gonna kill that gangnam

34:49

ghost, and that was all that matter. He also

34:51

told the jury that no matter how angry mister

34:54

Smith was that someone was causing panic with

34:56

their pranks. He didn't he's still even if

34:58

he was out there to just kill

35:00

the pranks there, he you can't just go around and

35:02

kill pranks or even, you know, you can't just roam the streets

35:04

with a go and looking for him just because they're scaring

35:06

shit. You can't just kill ghosts. And so the

35:09

jury returned with a verdict and error later

35:11

a verdict of guilty, but guilty of

35:13

manslaughter, which was he hadn't even

35:15

been charged with and didn't really apply

35:17

to the case. But it's easy

35:20

to see why the mass slaughter verdict was seen as preferable

35:22

to the jury. After all, a guilty

35:24

verdict in a murder murder trial carried

35:26

a mandatory death by hanging

35:29

sentence. The old was

35:31

a short drop and quick stop straight

35:34

down to the uplays. However, on savory

35:36

it might have been to them, the jury can only give a

35:38

verdict within within the charges given.

35:40

Unsurprisingly, the judge was not happy at all

35:42

with the attempts to cushion the verdict. Demanded

35:45

the jury go back into the deliberation room and consider

35:47

their verdict once more. This

35:50

time he basically said, guilty

35:53

or not guilty or else you're all guilty jail.

35:55

I mean, this is your early eighteen hundred, so I didn't really

35:57

have didn't really kind of pass it over

35:59

back in those days. They went back and they

36:03

they they found him they found him guilty.

36:05

They were, like, they were very sympathetic to him

36:07

and his obvious remorse. But, yeah, it was pretty much

36:10

well, I we kind of are being forced

36:12

find him guilty. So, I

36:14

guess, guilty, I guess. Man, judges back in

36:16

the state were not very impartial. They were like, he,

36:18

like, he literally was saying, plain him guilty or

36:21

your screwed. He

36:23

even said that the prerogative of showing

36:25

mercy, which essentially means finding

36:27

a not guilty, lay with the crowd, meaning

36:30

it was for the king, essentially to decide.

36:32

The magic if you think judges

36:34

are gung ho nowadays, they were their

36:37

magic would have murder back then. Mathematical. So

36:40

that would mean that, you know, he

36:42

would be remanded in custody until he would be

36:44

hanged the following Monday. Followed by

36:46

his buddy being sent to the medical school

36:48

for forced dissection. Nice.

36:52

However, luckily for Smith.

36:54

The judge McDonald, he knew there was a lot of

36:56

public chatter about the case and there

36:59

was even more growing sympathy for Smith.

37:01

And so he ordered that the case be referred

37:03

to the crown, who in turn

37:05

ordered despite during pleasure

37:08

before seven Ep9 that same day. That

37:10

essentially means that gotta stay the execution

37:12

while the while the Crown delivered. Deliberate?

37:14

They they fucking about it. They, you know,

37:16

kicked the tires in the case. And so on January

37:18

twenty fifth, King George that heard he

37:20

granted Smith a pardon as long as he served

37:23

one year of hard

37:25

labor. And so he was at

37:27

go after that. That's that's like a good

37:29

question. That's like a sales topic, you know, because

37:32

if initially you had to be given, like, one year, like,

37:34

no. But you're given that first.

37:36

And

37:36

go, actually, now years, that cost pretty good. Yeah. Exactly.

37:38

It says, really, the third option is

37:40

getting your fucking neck broken and that

37:42

are hanging very pain points slowly

37:45

to death. And so that was

37:47

that was the case. That was how this initial

37:49

case ended. But

37:51

the story of the ghosts. Like,

37:53

does that represent like, was there actually a

37:55

ghost? In Hammersmith. Well,

37:58

there was there was someone

38:00

who did come forward. John

38:04

Graham. And his name is. Yep. And

38:06

so, like, after the death so, yes,

38:09

all the publicity surrounding that the

38:11

case John Graham, he's like a local shoemaker.

38:14

So he stepped forward and claimed responsibility for

38:16

being the ghost. He said that he

38:18

wanted to scare the villagers as

38:21

revenge because his

38:23

apprentices at the time they told his children from

38:25

ghost stories. But

38:27

he only came to do it at once. But

38:29

essentially, he's a Scooby Doo

38:31

villain, really. Yeah. Yeah. Take a It's a show.

38:33

I only

38:34

did it to scare it again. He said, oh, wait

38:36

for my theme park.

38:38

But, yeah, he he only admitted to

38:41

to once doing it. So but we've

38:43

we've gone through, like, many many accounts of this

38:45

happening. So definitely order accounts, it could

38:47

have been order people. Mhmm. Who order could have been

38:49

order

38:49

real? Because spooky. I

38:52

know. I know. I like it like it. But yeah, that

38:54

said Georgians they loved. They actually loved their

38:56

pranks. They loved playing jokes in each other, especially

38:58

these spooky ones. They imagined to it.

39:00

For example, just six years

39:02

after the Hammersmith ghost murder.

39:05

A woman named Margaret Salker, she

39:07

staged a fake haunting in her shared

39:09

lodgings to convince a fellow

39:11

lodger, a Mary Anderson, to

39:14

hand over a bunch of her possessions to

39:16

satisfy an angry spirit that would

39:18

torture and terrorize her if year, please. And

39:20

it was also a common thing for people to dress

39:22

up in sheets, trip the period. Like, that's sort

39:24

of the whole ghost sheet,

39:27

ghost comes from this time period. And

39:29

usually, when they were doing they would do it, they'd

39:31

curve themselves in a sheet when they were committing

39:33

crimes. And they're excused to be.

39:35

It was me. It was the ghost.

39:38

Like, one out of the way. But it's not ghost. It's

39:40

you. Like, you can just lift the shred and it's like,

39:42

it's I give clearly see here. No.

39:44

And so the real

39:46

legacy of the Smith murder trial had

39:48

its legal consequences. The trial

39:50

it had happened to close a huge flaw

39:53

in the system. With there being no available defense

39:55

for someone who genuinely felt that

39:57

action was for a good

39:59

purpose, and though possibly

40:01

even violent. It was done in good faith.

40:03

They believe that they were doing the right thing.

40:06

That kind of nuance, it's very important in the legal

40:08

system. And so having the opportunity

40:11

to prevent a

40:11

defense, it's a it's a vital part

40:14

of most courts around the world. And it wasn't

40:16

until the nineteen eighties that the confusion

40:18

caused by the Smith trial was fine

40:20

and he put to bed with the case of

40:23

Or versus Gladstone Williams

40:25

in nineteen eighty four. Basically,

40:28

what happened was there was a man. He's

40:30

seen a youth seizing at

40:32

the handbag -- Mhmm. -- belonging to

40:34

a woman who was shopping. And demand

40:36

he caught up with the youth and he knocked into the

40:38

ground and then he twisted his

40:40

arm behind his back in order to immobilize

40:43

him. But while he was essentially

40:45

beating up a kid, a boss was

40:47

gone by at the time and so some

40:49

lad on the boss seen this. So he

40:51

jumped off the boss and ran up to

40:53

the the older man who was attacking the kid

40:55

and,

40:56

like, kicked shit over. You know?

40:58

Oh, no. But he didn't realize that the kid was a woman.

41:00

Like, he's guy. Yeah. So that was a whole thing. So

41:02

court, like, they ruled in like, to some

41:04

of you were, like, that for a self defense or

41:07

the prevention of a crime, the

41:09

opinions must have honestly

41:11

unreasonable grounds or believe the force

41:13

was

41:13

necessary.

41:14

Yeah. So that was,

41:14

like, where, like, where they kind of

41:17

finished his Yeah. And that they yes. Actually,

41:19

they thought they were they were doing good. Well, yes.

41:21

That is exactly right. The

41:23

man, he was charged, he was convicted of assault

41:26

causing bodily harm. He healed on

41:28

the grounds that he genuinely thought the youth was

41:30

being attacked, that he was doing the

41:32

right thing. He was helping a kid when the

41:34

kid was actually the villain here. And

41:36

his appeal, it was successful and it set a precedent

41:38

in UK law with

41:40

some Lord guy, Lord

41:42

Lane C. J. More like Lord Lane B.

41:44

J. On giving his decision. He remarked

41:47

that Nah. Did you say nice?

41:49

Nice. Thanks there. That that was pretty good.

41:52

That was just off the domes. Oh, he remarked.

41:54

That if the defendants may have been laboring

41:56

under a mistake as Halifax, he must

41:58

be judged according to his mistaken

42:00

view of the facts. So

42:03

that's just a lot of words. But

42:05

basically saying, yeah, you should take the person

42:07

what they believed was actually going on into

42:09

account.

42:10

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And had that defense

42:12

been available to Francis Smith a hundred and eighty years

42:14

earlier, he could have been saved from a lot of stress

42:16

and the years

42:18

hard labor. But, I mean,

42:20

he started off pretty like me with

42:21

a years. Considering he shot a man

42:24

point blank in the face. Blue his head off.

42:26

Yeah.

42:26

Yeah. Although, I mean, come on. This Thomas

42:28

Millwood, he probably should have, like,

42:30

not worn white after. He was already

42:33

casted and accused of being the ghost

42:35

I don't want a victim blame, but Yeah.

42:38

You know, the Hammersmith ghost, is

42:40

it real? Is it fake? I

42:42

don't

42:42

know. There was motor accounts as well

42:44

after that.

42:45

Of Thomas McGoes. Really?

42:46

Yeah. Big hills. Big hills. Big hills. So

42:49

there was in eighteen twenty

42:51

four, there was new reports over

42:53

Hammersmith

42:54

ghosts.

42:54

Yeah. Twenty years after the event,

42:56

twenty years later. Yeah. So

42:58

at this time, so they had obviously, like,

43:01

improved on the story of the ghost, and it was

43:03

granted super power of fire

43:05

breeding. This Nice. That's

43:07

a good that's a good ghost. That's

43:09

pretty good. But, yeah, there

43:11

were directional ports of this new ghost

43:13

attacking people. In one instance,

43:15

the ghost jumped on a woman and

43:17

brutally tore her clothes off her body

43:19

and scratched her face with what seemed

43:22

to be small hooks. The

43:24

ghost seems returning a little rapey now. Yeah. There

43:26

was a number of attacks on women

43:28

from this new ghost in eighteen twenty

43:30

four. The London this is funny.

43:33

The London packet of New Lloyd's evening

43:35

post a newspaper, they actually suggested

43:37

that a few stout young men

43:39

go out into the night dressed in female

43:42

apparel, In order to catch

43:44

the ghost, which think is pretty funny. That new ghost,

43:46

he was apprehended on February

43:48

nineteenth, eighteen twenty five, and he was put

43:50

before the magistrate. And,

43:52

yeah, he was revealed to me that's a guy called John

43:54

Benjamin. And his defense was,

43:57

it was a joke.

43:57

So Okay. When I was just like Rapers Omen.

44:00

It was a joke. Yeah. Not

44:02

a very funny joke. No. It wasn't a

44:04

good one. I didn't laugh. But it yeah. And then,

44:06

like, after that, the

44:08

Hammersmith ghost, like, the sightings kinda

44:10

calmed down a little bit. There

44:13

was a new ghost that kinda took the

44:15

headlines of newspapers we call Spring Hill

44:17

Jack. Oh, the legendary is Spring

44:19

Hill Jack. Yeah. So that took its place in public

44:21

consciousness in the late eighteen thirties. So kinda

44:24

after that, that goes Hammersmith

44:26

goes die down. But there was still

44:28

locals saying

44:30

that the Ghost Returns to Hammersmith Churchyard

44:33

every fifty years. Mhmm. And

44:35

when was the last time you returned? Well, that was it.

44:37

There was once in nineteen fifty five.

44:40

So just actually got a bit of

44:44

attention from the public. So

44:46

on Friday, July twenty ninth

44:48

nineteen fifty five, the West

44:50

London observer published a headline saying

44:52

the ghost, the Hammersmith, may

44:55

appear on Wednesday. Oh,

44:57

weather dependent, I guess. Yeah. Exactly. It's

44:59

rainy. It's up in life. And you got shit to do. I'm not

45:01

going. Yeah. Exactly. It's all, you know, sweat.

45:03

But yeah. Their news new newspapers,

45:05

national newspapers, they picked up this story. And

45:08

the day that the ghosts was due to make its appearance

45:10

on the Wednesday, the third of August, there was over

45:12

a hundred amateur ghost haunters

45:14

and journalists and those curious people,

45:16

they showed up to Saint Paul's Church. Yeah.

45:19

And they wave it till twelve catch a glimpse of the

45:21

ghost, which is didn't

45:24

come. So after, like, the ghost didn't show up at

45:26

twelve o'clock, which is meant to people kind of left. But

45:28

there was a handful of journalists and

45:30

a couple of golden rose.

45:33

They decided to stay. Because they decided to

45:35

stay because they figured out that daylight

45:37

savings. Didn't didn't

45:40

it wasn't adopted by the UK until nineteen

45:42

sixteen. So they realized that it

45:45

was

45:45

actually old a clock. Yeah.

45:46

So twelve o'clock is actually eleven o'clock. So they waited

45:49

another hour. And yeah, they said

45:51

when the clock struck one, spectators

45:53

hear an unusual rushing sound like

45:56

a sudden wind. The newspaper

45:58

account reported that something in white waffled

46:00

the day out of the waffled the day out The

46:02

northwest doors of the church which were locked

46:05

and drifted over to a lone tomb and

46:07

a ghostly figure in brilliant white which

46:09

had no legs according to witnesses it floated

46:11

above the tomb about twenty seconds and then it

46:13

just disappeared. So the

46:16

the next time the ghost is meant was meant to appear

46:18

was two thousand and five, Dan. And

46:21

an article was put out, but it didn't

46:23

receive a lot attention in two thousand

46:25

five. So, wait, I'd be sure

46:27

it wasn't just a piece of tissue paper that

46:29

got lifted up by a strong breeze,

46:31

caught bean. Oh, well,

46:32

like, a bit. Like, I don't know. I don't know what to say. I was

46:34

like, I was doing a plastic bag. I mean, like,

46:36

you can believe that or you can believe the account of

46:38

a couple couple of amateur golfers

46:40

that really want to believe it's seniors and

46:43

not waste their

46:43

time. No. Of course that. Because, you know, they

46:45

don't wanna look stupid over here. Of course.

46:47

Yeah. Yeah. Did they hear a knock in

46:49

reverse? Oh. That's the question. No.

46:53

The next time then the girls will appear is twenty

46:55

fifty

46:55

five. So in twenty two years -- Oh. -- twenty

46:58

week in life. Alright. I've set my watch,

47:00

Keith. What day a week will that be? My

47:02

powers. Thank

47:06

you so much for listening. I

47:08

appreciate you checking out the old podcast

47:10

that we'll do for this old one. Thank you

47:12

so much to Keith. For joining me as

47:15

we told the tale spooky

47:17

of the Hammersmith ghosts. Thanks for being

47:19

here. Thanks for having me, man. Always a pleasure. Never

47:21

sure. Very soon. Thank you. I

47:24

appreciate those very, very kind words. And yeah.

47:26

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