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This is a weekly. Podcast and and

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that Star Trek seemed dentist that

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that yeah to make them look like a

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fantasy character and that is what we will

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specialize in. Okay and he or that's what

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you will specialized me you two boys and

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listener. If you are the person who wants

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front desk lamido And anyway with that being

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said. Yeah if anybody does want

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to go wrong with a sad that kind

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of is the way to do it. They

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go in this ideas from giant Tyler to

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be safe between only the good work yeah

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maybe do or a group special you know.

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know if you're getting your a surgical

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elf ears dumb. The group on medium

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on yeah yeah yeah. group on their

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so out there like so two thousand

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and twelve varieties Cia like. They're probably

3:39

a bunch of people out there that

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gov really fucked up micro bleeding time

3:43

and they're like now the Galaxy. I

3:45

definitely remember certain the groupon be like

3:47

some day gray can afford it now.

3:50

and I mean does a good still

3:52

exists? I literally have never law I'm

3:54

sure they do on they say automobile

3:56

If Lula. Row could survive the

3:58

law suits or even. Your

4:00

example.org in that movie I may have

4:02

taken at least they're Tiffany hardest working

4:04

with them for a while they didn't

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number.story where she got her i forget

4:08

what's designer knock off it was but

4:11

it was like a designer knock off

4:13

bag of groupon. This was let's see

4:15

the Pinkett Smith who was essentially like

4:17

you don't have to be doing that

4:19

too high and shortly thereafter be buckle

4:21

of her purse melted in the sign.

4:23

of course it is legally us as

4:25

with a Groupon Gaffney The Anyway I

4:27

have you done your research Group on

4:29

still popping. Up for that. Lots of

4:32

massages on her hair done. yeah I

4:34

mean a lot of massages that tumble

4:36

emphasizes. I'm not mad at me. Etti

4:38

get a little bit of a salac

4:41

moment going on. There is no seen

4:43

in the groupon and I was. Man

4:45

I love a deal. Yeah who doesn't

4:47

love a deal? yeah but at the

4:50

end of the day be be elves.

4:52

Unfortunately we're over a little to exclusive.

4:54

Yeah or yeah. Seats know we take

4:56

like the Patagonia route where we just

4:59

like price things fairly. All the time

5:01

with no sale? Absolutely. You know you're always

5:03

getting the best price. Yeah, and then at

5:05

a certain point I'm going to donate a

5:08

lot of my money to like. Else

5:10

causes Yeah with Patagonia like I

5:12

thought you were going to lose

5:15

your like courting the Patagonia crowd.

5:17

Miles to go to be unfair

5:19

to see themes plastic surgery closer.

5:21

Like biodegradable or actually biodegradable a

5:23

implants probably wouldn't be good, they

5:25

might biodegrade inside of your body.

5:28

Were not doctors I don't know

5:30

French myself anyway I'm a i'm

5:32

an idea bad sex it yeah

5:34

I don't really act amount anyway

5:36

I would love to the solar

5:39

and wind you doing. Well I

5:41

hope your Bbls are settling. has clearly

5:43

were obsessed because he can't stop talk

5:45

and of I don't know I just

5:47

think they're funny annual I hate if

5:49

is it ah so what? What's up

5:52

you? I get an assisted Uk bullshit.

5:54

we don't drag race to talk about

5:56

under load mount in Spain right now

5:58

we we have nothing to tether unknown

6:00

would not so May seventeen yeah and

6:03

and we're back into are all stars

6:05

kick south Yeah I've got nothing cheap

6:07

that's pretty gay bullshit the right I

6:09

sure do because the let's see that

6:11

for going into at our A so

6:14

as the pieces were you able said

6:16

that I want to share with you

6:18

is all about a new big split

6:20

saving that went down in Ohio last

6:22

week. and like Big For Encounters sightings

6:24

they come upon our desk every now

6:27

and then. Yeah the not super uncommon.

6:29

There's always somebody. out there that

6:31

things they saw yeti right? Yeah,

6:33

and that keeps the world turn.

6:36

It really really does. When this

6:38

is a sighting that is a

6:40

little bit unusual because it actually

6:43

caused an entire school and higher

6:45

like elementary school to go into

6:47

lockdown. Oh yeah, that sometimes it

6:50

is. So before all of this,

6:52

it was a pretty regular dealer

6:54

day in the Fire Lands Local

6:56

School district in Ohio. The teachers

6:59

were T. Change off the students

7:01

were student loan lands were on

7:03

fire. Ah ha. hard core ass

7:05

name fire land and sea know

7:07

guy. I don't know what they're

7:09

all about are now but I

7:11

would not wanna go up against

7:13

them in sports. Absolutely not. Yes,

7:15

But anyway things were like normal

7:17

his regular school day. but then.

7:20

Things. Got a bit squats he

7:22

when a big brown harry figure

7:24

was seen striding past classroom window.

7:26

Okay so pitcher at your like

7:28

our know eight? Yeah you're sitting

7:30

at your desk doing your work

7:32

or doing whatever as you look

7:34

up through the window and you

7:36

see a mother fucking Sasquatch do

7:38

que penny rain and men you're

7:40

like wait to they have a

7:42

visitor password to the school. Let

7:44

that sasquatch onto the property. Right

7:46

is Anthony substitute teacher. Oh my

7:48

god that that's what's his name.

7:50

Viola. While I was gonna say this

7:52

is totally like a what is a

7:54

book called Miss Nelson as Miss Nelson

7:56

as Miss Ah Ha just I come

7:58

on, Sigma Swamp. Yeah, Because you

8:00

the real star it served by yeah

8:02

like is this the new teaser right

8:04

leg was the D. But anyway yeah

8:07

people. I wrote kids and will. Kids

8:09

are people. can. Barely

8:11

was adamant that a real your legs eighty

8:13

and I was Yeah I know you like

8:15

at that point. like when you're under the

8:18

age of eighteen you can still kind of

8:20

like scenes. The Futurama speaks out like Bb

8:22

language that on would be was not a

8:24

speaker. Yeah like you still might remember a

8:26

little like fragments of your past like Saddam

8:28

Liya you remember that lives. In utero

8:31

language. Yeah, that's the same exact earlier

8:33

spooky. I'm fully trust. You totally haven't

8:35

seen the home and command the out

8:37

any where he lives. the ice. I've

8:39

seen the exorcist believe her death thing

8:41

so my teeth. unfortunately we have and

8:44

I wish I could scrubbed my brain

8:46

of that double triple xs. here. it

8:48

is true. But anyway, kids saw this.

8:50

They kind of started freaking out, making

8:52

that night owl know there is a

8:55

monster out. sigh Understandable. Now the staff

8:57

understood straight away that this was just

8:59

a person. In a costume. However, that

9:01

didn't really well their fears and all.

9:03

Now because no one had any idea

9:06

who this person was, yeah, what they

9:08

wanted, or why they were dressed up

9:10

like big sports stock in around a

9:12

school? Yeah that is I'm very questionable

9:15

behavior. Now some

9:17

students are actually outside when this

9:19

went down far so those students

9:21

for like rust indoors and once

9:24

all of the students were accounted

9:26

for, the school just went in

9:28

to walk them. Miss. School resource

9:30

officer was on campus at the time

9:33

of going out and tracking down at

9:35

the suspect and he confronted them in

9:37

a nearby parking lot where the suspect

9:39

had parked there. Power? Okay yeah now

9:42

in the aftermath of all of this

9:44

like do good news is the person

9:46

did not get into the school. I

9:48

don't even think they tried to get

9:51

into the school, they just walked around

9:53

the school a few time job and

9:55

then went to their car like a

9:58

fucking idiot. Yeah, but in the. The

10:00

aftermath of all of this other

10:02

violence, Superintendent Michael Vaughan gotten released

10:04

the following statements and is gonna

10:06

read this verbatim. Share: Their parents

10:08

and guardians this afternoon and unannounced

10:10

visit her came to the campus

10:12

dressed in costume. This individual parts

10:14

in one of our lots cross

10:16

their campus and cause the district

10:18

to enter into a lock down.

10:20

During this time some students at

10:22

our elementary school were outside and

10:24

had to move quickly inside to

10:26

safety. The school day was negatively

10:29

impacted and although. Lockdown drills are

10:31

practice regular leads. The situation caused

10:33

understandable concern and disruption. Had no

10:35

point to this individual gain entry

10:38

into any of our buildings. While

10:40

some people may make light of

10:42

the situation, the fact remains that

10:45

we cannot waiver from the side

10:47

of safety. Our staff respond it

10:49

promptly and School resource officer Triple

10:51

Eddie's quick response led him to

10:54

the suspect off campus on for

10:56

Million Road and this individual induced

10:58

panic on our campus. And this

11:01

type of behavior will not be

11:03

tolerated. Yeah, so fair statement. Yeah,

11:05

that's bullshit. My Me: My put

11:08

on whimsical big Third outfit Angola.

11:10

frolicking through words. Yeah, but not

11:12

like.and not on private property. And

11:15

especially like not eat. You know,

11:17

I'm preaching to the choir here.

11:19

Here's the time. Fuck Doc Instituted.

11:22

Yeah. If you have no reason

11:24

to be on school grounds during

11:26

school hours, I don't be. Yeah,

11:29

Period. Yes. i am very well

11:31

aware of the optics of a strange

11:33

adult being on a school property for

11:35

know explainable reason much less if you're

11:38

wearing a fucking cause you get the

11:40

makes it even worse yeah to quote

11:42

a young ravens montross even says it

11:44

to this day from time to time

11:47

you nasty yeah yeah is so nasty

11:49

yeah now speaking of nasty and not

11:51

long after all of this of video

11:53

footage of the incident was posted online

11:55

of course like anybody with a cell

11:58

phones was filming this So there is

12:00

footage of this person dressed as Bigfoot

12:02

like walking past classroom windows Mm-hmm, and

12:04

it was then revealed that the person

12:07

in the costume I'm not sure if

12:09

their name was put out there But

12:11

the person in the costume was actually

12:13

a parent of one of the

12:16

kids that went to the school And

12:18

they were doing this as a

12:20

prank. So this was all a part

12:22

of a quote-unquote prank great prank,

12:24

bro Yeah, Wow and who's

12:27

laughing now? Yeah, no one you

12:29

fucking idiot Exactly to quote you

12:31

quote iconic dry Queen. Yeah, is

12:33

that your joke? Yeah, your joke

12:36

sucks. Yeah Yeah,

12:38

yeah now luckily for this parent

12:40

no charges have been laid I

12:42

don't know if charges are going

12:44

to be laid But ultimately let

12:46

this be a lesson to all

12:48

of the pranksters out there Just

12:50

because something is funny to you

12:52

and seems harmless From

12:54

another person's perspective it could be

12:57

downright scary So check yourself stick

12:59

to knock-knock jokes, maybe a few

13:01

rivers, maybe a few lakes, but

13:03

that's it Yeah, exactly as a

13:05

wise judge of RuPaul's Drag Race

13:07

once said it's not a joke

13:11

Yeah, yeah Anyway, let

13:13

me think Nobody

13:15

wants to drag People

13:17

don't watch Drag Race if they're listening this they're like what

13:20

the fuck if people Watch

13:22

Drag Race and are listening to this they're

13:24

probably already like what the fuck but Alyssa

13:27

Edwards Talking about the girl throwing shade about

13:29

her body. It's not a joke. It's not

13:31

a joke. Yeah, exactly Thank

13:33

you. Anyway, anyway, thank you as

13:35

well to my source wkyc.com

13:38

for the article appearance of

13:40

person dressed as Bigfoot Causes

13:42

Lorraine County School District to

13:44

go on lockdown that was

13:47

written by Dave Dean

13:50

Adil and published on May 3rd

13:54

2024 and if you don't share these references

13:56

we lose them. Yeah, although I'm sure that's

13:58

the people who said that kind of stuff

14:00

Like you know the luminaries and all that

14:02

kind of stuff that are referencing like Oscar

14:05

Wilde and all should I bet they weren't

14:07

ready for Like deep-fried dank gate Twitter memes.

14:09

You know what I mean? Yeah, Alex true

14:11

and Twitter. They weren't prepared. Mm-hmm. Anyway Thank

14:14

you, Tyler. You're welcome. Okay, you wanna move

14:17

on? Yeah, beautiful Do you have any housekeeping

14:19

or oopsie poop sees that you want to

14:21

talk about before we get into it today?

14:23

Maybe the Molly maids have been in

14:25

the house is clean and they gave me a

14:27

really nice compliment They told me that I was

14:30

perfect. I was beautiful. I actually look like Linda Evangelista

14:32

and at first I didn't believe them But I took

14:34

a moment. I looked at myself and I was like,

14:36

you know what Tyler? Yeah, you do. Yeah, absolutely Especially

14:39

in this light. Yeah, that's great Side

14:42

note Molly maids when I was a kid.

14:45

I was like y'all have it wrong It's

14:47

Mary maids because there was a housecleaning service

14:49

in my town called Mary maid Uh-huh, and

14:51

of course in my like small-town centrist mind

14:54

I was like this is it these the

14:56

only the limits of the world I

14:59

was like a teen. Anyway, thank you

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17:41

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17:43

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17:45

a whim they'll have a lot of

17:47

better when exactly same here because honestly

17:49

i have been reading shallow gothic six

17:52

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17:54

just like soon transported okay know i

17:56

mean are you feeling like a a

17:58

victorian with a exactly i I've

18:00

been in mourning, I've been

18:02

walking around labyrinths, I've

18:04

been carrying a parasol. Perfect. Yep,

18:06

finally read something by Daphne de

18:08

Morier, happy to report hot take

18:10

Rebecca Slaps. Does it? Yeah, I

18:13

know the world was waiting for

18:15

me to uh, beam it a

18:17

banger, but here we are I

18:19

guess. Now her spirit can

18:21

rest easy knowing that you've finally given

18:23

her review. I know, but sadly Rebecca's

18:25

never will. Anyway, if

18:28

you know you know. So today I'm

18:30

going to be talking about yet another cursed

18:32

gemstone. Oh hell yeah. Yeah, and if I

18:34

recall correctly the last time that I took

18:36

you all down this road, it was the

18:39

Legend of the Hope Diamond on episode 235,

18:41

aka Fuzzle. That's

18:45

right, and that was a very iconic cursed

18:47

object. Yeah, check that out sometime if you

18:49

haven't listened. I nerd out because as I

18:52

mentioned when I was a kid, I was

18:54

really into the idea of being a geologist

18:56

or an astronomer. That is

18:58

until I kind of learned that my interest

19:00

in space and stones are kind

19:03

of more poetic in nature than

19:05

science driven. Totally. So with that

19:07

being said, this is from my

19:09

fellow shiny things enthusiasts. This week

19:11

I'm going to be covering the

19:13

Legend of the Deli Purple Sapphire.

19:16

Do you know of this one, Tyler? I don't know. Okay,

19:19

well get ready because this is a stone

19:21

which is not only beautiful, but is said

19:23

to carry a curse with it that carries

19:26

on to the unlucky folks who happen to

19:28

own it. You know what? That

19:30

definitely does give some gothic horror vibes. Right? Beautiful,

19:33

but dangerous. Totally, yeah, it's very that.

19:36

Also future drag entertainers, take note,

19:38

great name. That's true. Next on

19:41

stage, the incomparable talents of Deli

19:43

Purple Sapphire. It

19:45

just has a good ring to it.

19:47

It really does. The syllabic distribution is

19:49

just on point, mama. Yeah, and I

19:51

think she could really serve. Absolutely. Anyway,

19:54

let's get into it. Of course the question

19:56

on everyone's mind is, who is she? Stone

20:00

is called the Deli Purple Sapphire

20:02

and of course you're probably like,

20:04

well, purple sapphire, right? Yeah. Wrong.

20:08

Actually an amethyst. Oh. Yeah.

20:11

But don't worry because purple sapphire is totally a

20:13

thing and it turns out they commonly get mistaken

20:15

for amethyst. But I'm going to let you

20:17

know in case you ever want to go out on the market for one.

20:20

So many of us know sapphire,

20:22

like traditionally it's a blue stone,

20:24

it happens to be the birthstone

20:26

for September. Purple

20:29

sapphires are kind of like a

20:31

rare version of the traditional blue

20:33

sapphire. Sometimes they're referred

20:35

to as plum sapphires, violet, lilac,

20:37

lavender sapphires, you know, just depending

20:40

on the shade. Sure. But

20:43

they naturally occur as other sapphires

20:45

do from a colorless stone called

20:47

corundum, which is oftentimes

20:49

mined around like Madagascar, Myanmar, Sri

20:51

Lanka, Thailand, and of course India

20:54

where the stone in question today

20:56

is said to originate. But

20:58

before we get into that stone, I still do

21:00

want to talk about purple sapphires just for a

21:03

moment because they're fucking cool and I didn't know

21:05

that they existed before a few days ago. So

21:08

purple sapphires stand out from their

21:10

blue sisters due to the presence

21:12

of a transition metal called vanadium,

21:14

which essentially causes them cool and

21:16

I didn't know that they existed

21:18

before a few days ago. So

21:21

purple sapphires stand out from

21:23

their blue sisters due to

21:25

the presence of a transition

21:28

metal called vanadium, which essentially

21:30

causes the red coloring in

21:32

what was previously a

21:35

clear stone. Right. So

21:37

in this case, red plus blue makes

21:39

purple. Sure. Obviously. To

21:42

put it directly, corundum is

21:44

a species of mineral that

21:46

includes both sapphires and rubies.

21:48

So red corundum is rubies

21:51

and all other varieties end

21:53

up being sapphire. And

21:55

sapphires do come in every color. I thought they

21:57

only came in blue or white, but yeah, they'll

21:59

get it. a baby a lot

22:01

of stones are like that though like

22:03

opal is my birthstone and I didn't

22:05

realize opal had such a catalog oh

22:07

girl Yeah, opal get you yeah So

22:10

a purple sapphire is like someone got a

22:12

bit of ruby mixed in with their sapphire

22:14

if you want to think about it like

22:16

that And it's kind of like a chocolate

22:18

meets peanut butter Situation oh totally like if

22:21

nature was able to put together chocolate and

22:23

peanut butter, which is pretty fierce I

22:25

mean yeah nature is like here's a racist piece as

22:27

you can't eat it, but it sure is pretty right

22:30

Yeah, you know nature's jewel pieces

22:33

anyway an Amethyst which is again what

22:35

this stone that we're gonna be talking

22:37

about today is is another kind of

22:39

purple stone and looks a lot Like

22:42

purple sapphire in ways it

22:44

is however though a kind of

22:46

quartz and also February's birthstone So

22:48

shout out to all of our

22:50

was it Pisces probably a few

22:52

to the Aquarius kind of And

22:56

all the February babies out there. I

22:58

see you I hear you I love

23:00

you Yeah, so while amethyst is similar

23:02

to purple sapphire in color the real

23:04

differences begin to become clear Once you

23:06

really start to look at them on

23:08

a geological level most apparently

23:10

it's the hardness so unlike the most

23:14

mineral hardness scale Purple

23:16

sapphire comes in at a 9 whereas amethyst

23:18

comes in at a 7 meaning

23:20

that amethyst is like a lot

23:23

softer It scratches easier sure

23:26

and that's really one of the delineating

23:28

factors and like diamonds are really hard,

23:30

right? So is it like the harder

23:33

the gemstone the like more shishish it

23:35

is well It also has to do

23:37

with the brilliance of the stone and

23:39

so outside of density Purple sapphires also

23:42

tend to offer more Brilliant that also

23:44

has to do with like how the

23:46

crystals come to be but they just

23:49

generally sparkle more They also can contain

23:51

some pretty cool color shifting varieties given

23:53

the makeup of the stone itself Is

23:56

amethyst which is generally

23:58

always purple It's beautiful,

24:00

but it actually has a specific thing

24:03

that happens with coloring called zoning, where

24:06

instead of the purple sapphire where the

24:08

color will be pretty consistent through the

24:10

stone itself, Amethyst actually has

24:12

concentrations of colors that kind of like

24:14

pop up at the termination of the

24:17

crystal itself. So you'll notice

24:19

when you look at Amethyst, especially

24:21

all those little crystal structures in

24:23

it, sometimes it can have a

24:25

concentration of deep purple among

24:28

the lighter purple bits in it, and that's

24:30

called zoning. It's like a balayage. Exactly.

24:33

It kind of gives it like a galaxy quality

24:35

as well if you don't want to just think

24:37

about it in hair terms. Sure. But

24:40

anyway, it is common for the two

24:42

to be confused, especially by the naked

24:44

eye, and this brings us to the

24:46

deli purple sapphire, which in

24:48

its current day resides at the

24:50

London Natural History Museum. They do

24:52

represent it as a cursed Amethyst.

24:54

Oh, do they really? A quote

24:56

unquote cursed. I mean,

24:59

I just want to underline that they show

25:01

it as an Amethyst, not a sapphire. I

25:03

will probably use the two interchangeably as

25:05

the day goes on, but you know what I mean.

25:08

That's right. Yeah. Anyway,

25:10

to go back to its origin,

25:13

the earliest record of the deli

25:15

purple sapphire goes back to the

25:17

19th century in India, where the

25:19

stone was initially stolen by a

25:22

colonel named W. Ferris, who was

25:24

described as a cavalryman from Bengal.

25:28

Now, it was allegedly looted by Ferris in 1855 from a temple

25:30

in Kanpur, India, that celebrated

25:35

the god Indra, which is the god of

25:38

weather and war. Coincidentally,

25:41

it was said to be during an

25:43

uprising from Indian people against the colonizing

25:45

British forces who had taken over Kanpur

25:47

as a garrison town, which

25:50

it actually operated as until India got

25:52

independence in 1947. Oh, shit. Yeah.

25:56

Anyway, from my understanding, this was a

25:58

smaller uprising that kind of. precipitated

26:00

the kind of larger mutiny

26:02

that India attempted in 1857.

26:04

But also with

26:08

some of these stories people get their dates

26:10

all fucked up. So I don't know some

26:12

people kind of merge it all together but

26:14

if we're being specific the original

26:16

source says that it was found in 1855 but

26:19

then they say it was during the Indian mutiny

26:21

so it's kind of all over the place. It's

26:23

a bit foggy. It's a little bit murky. The

26:27

qualities of an amethyst versus a

26:29

purple sapphire. But anyway

26:31

given this bit of history surrounding the

26:34

origin of the stone I'd say it

26:36

serves Ferris right that he had initially

26:38

misidentified the amethyst as a sapphire if

26:42

you will. That's a bee blowing a

26:44

raspberry not farting. Regardless though the stone

26:46

was this beautiful purple it was cut

26:48

into an oval shape it was like

26:50

three and a half by two and

26:52

a half centimeters but with

26:55

all that beauty came a price. As

26:58

not long after returning to

27:00

England with his loot in tow

27:03

Colonel W Ferris was said to

27:05

have befallen upon some bad luck

27:07

in the realm of finances and

27:10

health. Which is a

27:12

pretty wicked one-two blow to

27:14

be dealt and this is

27:16

said to have ultimately led

27:18

to his family's financial ruin.

27:20

Don't have much other information

27:22

past that but

27:24

anyway not good. Ultimately Ferris

27:27

would pass the stone down

27:29

to his son and

27:31

his son didn't seem to be any

27:33

luckier than Daddykin's was. Well I mean

27:35

here's a tea a stealer from the

27:38

goddess of war and weather she's gonna

27:40

fuck you up. Exactly and she's also

27:42

like that's my amethyst it's not a

27:44

sapphire go fuck yourself and fuck your

27:46

son too. Right the son had just

27:48

as much bad luck as Daddykin's did

27:50

and ultimately went on to gift the

27:52

quote unquote purple sapphire to a friend

27:54

because he was just like it is

27:56

pretty but I don't want to fuck

27:59

with it. It's like hot potato, but

28:01

your turn the thing is the hot

28:03

potato game Just continued on shortly thereafter

28:05

because the friend was said to have

28:07

died of suicide shortly after receiving the

28:09

stone and What

28:12

did you just hear that? No, what's up? It

28:14

was like the loudest crack of thunder Oh

28:17

after we were just talking about the goddess

28:19

of weather, which she is the goddess of

28:21

thunderstorm. Maybe she's coming for us Okay,

28:26

well No

28:29

shade, yeah, we love what you do.

28:31

This is a call-out podcast. Yeah, your

28:33

voice has been heard. Yes So

28:36

the friend who received

28:38

the stone from Ferris Junior Tied

28:41

of suicide shortly thereafter then

28:44

in a turn of events Those

28:46

stone had been willed back

28:48

to Ferris Junior. Oh shit So

28:51

this ownership wouldn't last forever though

28:53

because by 1890 only

28:56

35 years after the stone was

28:58

allegedly ripped away from its home

29:00

in India And deemed a Ferris

29:02

family heirloom the purple sapphire quote-unquote

29:05

would be sold to a man

29:07

named Edward Haran Allen and

29:09

this was really the beginning of an

29:12

era so to say because Edward

29:14

Haran Allen was known as a

29:16

bit of a polymath in his time And

29:19

I'm not gonna take that away from

29:22

him. He was alleged expert in a

29:24

number of disciplines He worked

29:26

as a solicitor like it was the

29:28

family business He authored almost

29:30

as many books as Katie Price,

29:32

which is a feat

29:35

in and of itself She wrote

29:37

quote-unquote wrote so many books. I

29:39

know like over 30. Uh-huh A

29:43

prolific author in her own right. Yeah, so all

29:45

I want for Christmas is the entire Katie

29:47

Price bibliography And I just really want

29:49

the Katie's pony pals books because I

29:51

just want to get her pony care

29:53

manual anyway Yeah, that's me, but

29:56

He was like all over Edward

29:58

Was born. London

30:01

England back in eighteen sixty one

30:03

is my his twenties. He was

30:05

already practicing as a solicitor as

30:07

a said the family business but

30:09

at the same time he created

30:11

this hustle. Apprenticing as a violin

30:13

maker shirt he got so good

30:15

at violin making which was like

30:17

born as to second interest in

30:20

the violence but he started publishing

30:22

books on violin making eight including

30:24

like one very notable kind of

30:26

like compendium of Ireland making information

30:28

that I believe is still published.

30:30

In two, like contemporary times unless kind

30:33

of. While by than a dozen, the

30:35

Rt perfected the violin like i don't

30:37

think the violin has changed, was she

30:39

like a hundred years? that? So that's

30:42

the thing. He did that by like

30:44

twenty for years old and eighteen eighty

30:46

four, his violin book hit the shelves,

30:48

but he was already entered to win

30:51

it as an author. By that point

30:53

in eternity five he published to the

30:55

Princess Daphne. Ah, it's I'm deathly wanna

30:57

read. He also published two books on.

31:00

Palmistry, one from Eighty Three and one

31:02

in eaten a five gallon. A ton of

31:04

other stuff. He was also an acclaimed Persian

31:06

scholar in his ties hits. he's a

31:08

bit of a spooky birch as well. Run

31:10

not in regards to the Persians. In

31:12

regards to Paul, Mr. Know, Absolutely. I literally

31:15

have the note in here that he was

31:17

a total spooky Bad Yeah, like a

31:19

lot of people as they talk about the

31:21

sorry my I kind of you find

31:23

it funny. They're like he was such an

31:26

acclaimed scientists but it's like the bit. Also,

31:28

like wrote and lectured on Pa. Mr.

31:30

Right or. Is he

31:32

was spooky? You to to the korea

31:35

was probably good. Judy's with Arthur Conan

31:37

Doyle because I think of anything at

31:39

a semblance of like can you know

31:41

spiritual Islam or Arthur Conan Doyle was.

31:43

Is there you know who he was?

31:46

Good duties with her Oscar Wilde's No

31:48

Way, No Way No. Was he? You

31:50

know. I don't know.

31:52

I don't know. I mean if if you're

31:54

bump in elbows with Oscar Wilde, there's a

31:57

chance you might be bombed a more than

31:59

elbow hell. Yeah, you might

32:01

be painted a picture of Dorian

32:03

Gray. With you come.

32:06

Anywhere, Close

32:09

to the dark. I don't yet.

32:11

Have you ever go on? So

32:13

anyway, Edward Heron Owl and he

32:16

literally had just seen as a

32:18

parade a lucrative speaking tour on

32:20

palmistry shortly before buying a purple

32:23

sapphire. So like this was the

32:25

vibe he was an him. But

32:28

anyway, despite this new era of

32:30

ownership, things were necessarily a picnic

32:32

for Edward after receiving the stone.

32:36

Although I will give him credit he

32:38

identified it as mammoth asked allow there's

32:40

a he was the one Satanic cracked

32:43

the code. I mean yeah he, he

32:45

was in anybody's fault. But not long

32:47

after acquiring the stone, it was so

32:49

that Edward Heron Allen also underwent a

32:52

streak of bad luck that he would

32:54

go into a tribute to his newest

32:56

geological present San in response to the

32:59

As Edwards decided to not follow the

33:01

path of the owners before and pass

33:03

on to some unsuspecting collector, but instead.

33:06

He attempted to neutralize the evil

33:08

inside the stone because he was

33:10

on its ups and you're set

33:12

into a silver ring which allegedly

33:14

once belonged to an astrologer that

33:16

he referred to as he then

33:18

and I believe then he's referring

33:20

to John Hate in his like

33:22

a seventeenth century English astrologer Ago

33:24

and I was accused are it's

33:27

Site Russ a quiche in a

33:29

cultist. Sorry that the prosecution

33:31

connection is important because Edward hearing owl

33:33

and identified as a real succeed or

33:35

bros accretion. oh my god say it

33:37

and had see a can't you can't

33:40

even say it once. I mean not

33:42

not you, just anybody there anybody to

33:44

say. I mean it is kind of

33:47

like a com esoteric a called off

33:49

shoot of christianity. okay that's what's gonna

33:51

know about as you so essentially the

33:53

ring that he ended up having the

33:56

sunset and I had a number of

33:58

plaques around it depicting signs. The Zodiac

34:00

and this was intended to like

34:02

bind the stone. Okay and by

34:04

setting him the rang I should

34:06

say it's not set in like

34:08

the traditional sense. He literally bound

34:11

the stone in the rain so

34:13

you couldn't slip it on your

34:15

finger anymore. Know it was now

34:17

like looped around this rock. Wow

34:19

on the white. add some. Also

34:21

like public roads on Hayden Sangre

34:23

de Stand as he was given

34:25

the bus down on us or.

34:28

But anyway, I digress. The

34:30

ran a number of plaques on the

34:33

edge of or to depicting from into

34:35

the zodiac so this was like the

34:37

loop around the edge of the stone

34:40

and and on top of this like

34:42

please' setting that they gave for it

34:44

they added to hinge dependence on either

34:47

side of the stones, long ads and

34:49

a kind of. It

34:51

so tacky. One of them has to

34:53

smaller amethyst on ads that are carved

34:55

into the shapes of scare Obs and

34:57

then on the other side is like

35:00

a T in a circle. It's all

35:02

silver And supposedly this is to stop

35:04

the jam from a curse and Edward

35:06

any for so it went from being

35:08

like this nude oval shaped stone I

35:10

see nude Liked has not said anything.

35:12

Yeah I'm gonna keep it and I

35:14

mean that's gonna be commons ecological term

35:16

and I simply years it's a nude

35:18

of don't pass it on B B

35:21

separate. It's nude but there he

35:23

decides to dress it up honey and

35:25

puts it in almost what target be

35:27

like. I'll watch setting percent of email

35:29

me at yeah it as the out

35:31

and got is now is to is

35:33

why you know what? Like if I

35:35

was at stone I'd lose all my

35:37

like gumption to curse people to bed

35:39

like ah fuck em like really. Just.

35:41

Not feeling this look I know

35:43

right like these fucking like scare

35:45

up and with as sir just

35:47

like killing them via their burned

35:49

down the to curb appeal as

35:51

it. and he didn't say though

35:53

that this ugly ass setting did

35:55

do something in terms of stopping

35:57

the curse and it's tracks those.

36:00

I guess that's good. Yeah again that's

36:02

up to your taste. Funny I mean

36:05

here we go now we know how

36:07

to kinda like deal with are cursed

36:09

objects was need to ago five yards

36:11

make some really ugly jewelry and confuse

36:14

the ghosts and seen them. It's like

36:16

giving the goes to be a millionaire

36:18

cause you know exactly yeah exactly So

36:21

anyway he does this and allegedly in

36:23

out the bad vibes stop but he

36:25

is haunted by a toast up for

36:27

the i you know you win win.

36:30

Or lose some. Yeah. The funny thing was

36:32

he described the ghost as a Hindu yogi

36:34

who would sit cross legged digging through the

36:36

ground around him as he searched for the

36:39

stone. So I had this was the spirit

36:41

public attached to the stone. But outside of

36:43

that he said that the stone was pretty

36:45

chill. Pretty torments, You know because the spirit

36:48

was out of it. but then like what

36:50

stuff in the spirit from doing shit I

36:52

know right? It's very confusing by a guy.

36:54

He was a sudden now my wife saw,

36:57

I saw a few friends of mine saw

36:59

a mere. To say oh cool, that's

37:01

the Hindu Yogi he's not gonna get.

37:03

that's don't know baby. I guess I'll

37:05

have to worry about as maybe fallen

37:08

and one of his All right. Anyway,

37:10

by ninety know to. After twelve years

37:12

into they're saying the stone, Edward Herrmann

37:14

Allen said that he reluctantly pass it

37:16

onto a friend of his who allegedly

37:19

really wanted to get their hands on

37:21

this gorgeous jam. Although. Again at

37:23

were totally are defined as so don't know

37:25

why a half but a was said That

37:27

this arrangement was short lived as according to

37:30

Edward misfortune followed his friend of course it

37:32

resulted in the stone actually been brought back

37:34

into Edwards possession kind of life Harris Jr

37:36

back in the De Ray and as to

37:39

place the following year so that he was

37:41

that Edward supposedly returned from a trip from

37:43

Egypt and ninety know three and as he

37:45

got back to his place the stone just

37:48

the they are waiting for him with a

37:50

note that was like bitch thanks but no

37:52

thanks. And he has a idiotic you

37:54

can have the ugly style exactly this

37:56

this this this this. Were

37:59

about to get into it. The Mcallen Stephanie Pollack

38:01

your bank seek not those stones.

38:03

All save zags anyway. It's

38:07

your big everything okay sorry I saw

38:09

him a last ditch effort to lose

38:11

the deli purple sapphire he threw it

38:13

silver. Setting in all into the reasons

38:15

canals near central London and this was

38:18

grade. that is until three months after

38:20

he threw it into the water when

38:22

he was once again returned to his

38:24

possession by a merchant in the city

38:26

is like I found there had actually

38:29

are up did in the water. And

38:31

like Edward I know this could only

38:33

be your ugly jewelry Lucky which is

38:35

Emily recognized it as Edwards. And I

38:37

guess he bought it from a

38:40

dredger who had found a know

38:42

out of the others. To slick

38:44

well intentioned merchant was supplied. This

38:46

is my buddies. he's gonna love me

38:49

for the oh my god and had

38:51

word is dislike. Daddy doesn't play cases

38:53

the I got sick it yeah you

38:55

like You know when we save money

38:58

like this I'm trying to find the

39:00

opposite wording for that Daddy know like

39:02

I care. So alamo. Anyway, once again

39:05

after that Edward tried slipping the stone

39:07

onto a friend. or how. this wasn't

39:09

just any friend, this was a talented

39:11

friend And this ended up having repercussions

39:14

because this plan was a woman who

39:16

supposedly. Like a professional singer. Yeah, I

39:18

don't know who but she ended up

39:20

losing her voice. Yes, our next gig

39:23

after acquiring the stone. Why would he

39:25

do that right? Like so over the

39:27

stone. At this point that is as

39:29

like this needs to be somebody else

39:31

has problem out here. Well it it.

39:34

I guess she wanted it and he

39:36

has Led systems as like have I'm

39:38

from him take his head. But ultimately

39:40

the song was meant for the stage

39:42

because this person allegedly never stepped foot

39:45

on stage again. right? I. Don't

39:47

we don't know who this famous person

39:49

was with. don't know who was a

39:51

hard job. Or name

39:54

is Edith P. off Anyway, so

39:56

Edwards side when lives in are

39:58

aware Wilde A would be. Actually

40:00

incredibly well I hope the i thought

40:02

you said lies are rumors from and

40:04

as like he would not be like

40:07

Minnelli she's still singing and smoking in

40:09

the back of limos cited as posted

40:11

a video on my instagram stories as

40:13

he days ago if you need proof

40:15

Ah anyway the stone goes Edwards friend

40:18

steals her voice from her like a

40:20

little fucking mermaid and and comes back

40:22

to Edward who's Now or Scylla to

40:24

basically more allowed other he wants to

40:27

be are not yeah and let's say

40:29

he was not ceiling. Mass in fact

40:31

of from this point on he was

40:33

dislike. I do not want the stone

40:36

to dismantle anyone elses livelihood and make

40:38

matters even more intense. Edward and just

40:40

had a child. He had a baby

40:42

girl and he was pretty worried that

40:45

the stone was going to start sucking

40:47

with her and her. Know how babies

40:49

love tools? Are they really their little

40:51

jewel thief? They're all about it. Yeah,

40:54

that seems gonna be sucking on that

40:56

amateur like a chili dog anytime soon.

40:58

Honestly couldn't put whatever. And they're out

41:01

Harney during the Silver Air. It? yeah,

41:03

exactly. So instead of giving the suicide

41:05

baby as a baby rattle, Edward was

41:07

finally like. Enough is enough. I'm washing

41:10

my hands of this book, kind of

41:12

in an indirect way. So by October

41:14

of nine, Chino for Edward once again

41:16

gives up ownership of the stone. But

41:19

kind of. According to Edward, he did

41:21

want to simply throw it into the

41:23

ocean, but he was unable to do

41:26

so because of his arrest secretion. Both

41:28

This was not further elaborated upon. although

41:30

he does to civically say was due

41:32

to his were secretion oath but judging

41:34

by the code of life that i

41:36

was able to find a in like

41:38

or secretion resources in and this may

41:40

relate to the idea of always taking

41:42

a moderate behavior come with that i

41:44

heart huckabees as find the middle ground

41:47

right mentality share i don't know though

41:49

by the a that's kind of my

41:51

best or gas added that he was

41:53

like okay get not high get not

41:55

low so is like the idea of

41:57

tossing the stone into the ocean just

41:59

tude rematch Yeah, I mean it

42:01

is dramatic. We've all seen the Titanic. Yeah,

42:03

I'm but trying to justify his fucked up

42:05

behavior at this point Yeah, and honestly, I'm

42:07

done doing that for straight men So although

42:10

again friend of Oscar Wilde who knows but

42:12

yeah, that's the tea anyway He puts it

42:14

inside of a box and then another box

42:16

and then by the end of it Seven

42:19

boxes baby seven boxes with good luck

42:21

charms Don't know what that means But

42:23

he puts them like box inside of

42:25

a box inside of a box and

42:28

a little note explaining the stones history

42:30

Telling whoever opens it up not to actually bring

42:33

the stone out into the light of day for

42:35

at least 33 years after

42:37

Edwards passing So basically he created

42:39

a debit box before debit boxes

42:41

even existed Exactly. Yeah,

42:43

and then he left the package

42:45

in the safekeeping of his banker

42:48

All right, that's one way to get rid of

42:51

it, right? Hey somebody else to hold on to

42:53

it I mean, you know what like they're holding

42:55

on to your valuable As

42:57

well hold on to your cursed items as

42:59

well. Absolutely. You know what the banks

43:01

deserve it Yeah, and I mean they're

43:03

valuable to a different kind of value.

43:06

That's right spiritual value But anyway the

43:08

history museum along with other possessions of

43:10

Edward Heron Allen and this was completed

43:12

by his daughter The

43:14

one that narrowly averted the curse of the

43:16

stone. That's right I mean, honestly that is

43:18

truly what you do with your cursed object,

43:20

right? You donate them to a museum Yeah,

43:22

you know, we would love to give the

43:25

stone back to the temple that it was

43:27

stolen from but yeah That's

43:30

probably the best course of action. Yeah,

43:32

but I'm assuming they just didn't have

43:34

that perspective So from there the stone

43:36

would stay in storage for a few

43:38

more decades lying there most Mostly

43:41

forgotten. I do believe At

43:43

least to those left living that is until 1972

43:47

When a young curator named Peter

43:49

Tandy uncovered the box and opened

43:51

it up only to discover

43:54

the aforementioned Type-written note from

43:56

the desk of Edward Heron Allen.

44:00

I got a transcript to you do

44:02

yes let's leader or I am. Some

44:04

of this will be some repeats of

44:06

the info we have but again this

44:09

is like what a lot of people

44:11

can consider like the oh gee source

44:13

of of the story points that be

44:15

further elaborate on and research. So anyway

44:18

get into at quote to whomsoever should

44:20

be the seats are possessor of this

44:22

amethyst. Flowery as far right but Lucy

44:24

called of an Ama fast isn't these

44:27

lines are addressed in morning before he

44:29

or sees. Shall assume the responsibility

44:31

of owning that. The. Stone

44:33

is treble. He a cursed and is

44:35

stained with blood and the dishonor of

44:38

everyone who has ever owned it. It

44:40

was looted from the treasury of the

44:42

Temple of the God in drag com

44:44

port during the in be meet me

44:46

in eat and fifty five and brought

44:48

to this country by Colonel Debbie Ferris

44:50

of the Bengal Cavalry. Ps. Tyler I

44:52

would you like to oppose us now

44:54

from his tendering The.in drab actually yes

44:56

I am very. I'm sorry. Yeah.

44:58

Entering is not cool. Boobs Boobs v

45:01

South From the day he possessed it

45:03

he was unfortunate and lost both health

45:05

and money. His son who had and

45:08

after his death suffered the most persistent

45:10

ill. Fortune tell I accepted the soon

45:12

from him in eighty nine be he'd

45:14

given at once for friend but the

45:17

French shortly afterwards committed suicide and left

45:19

back to him by well. From.

45:21

The moment I had it, misfortunes

45:23

attacked me until I had a

45:26

pound around when a double headed

45:28

snakes that had been a think

45:30

a ring of Hayden Be astrologer

45:32

looped up with zodiacal plaques and

45:34

neutralize between Havens magic towel and

45:36

to Amethyst scalper I have clean

45:38

How To Sues period brought from

45:41

Dare L Bahar I Ain't thieves.

45:43

It remains as quietly until Nineteen

45:45

O Two though not only I

45:47

but my wife Professor Ross to

45:49

be each rider and Mrs. had.

45:51

and frequently saw in my library

45:53

the hindu yoga who hans the

45:55

stone trying to get it back

45:57

he sits on his heels and

46:00

corner of her room digging in the floor with

46:02

his hands, as if searching for it. In

46:05

1902, under protest, I

46:07

gave it to a friend who

46:09

was thereupon overwhelmed with every possible

46:11

disaster. On my return from

46:14

England, or sorry, Egypt, very dear, although

46:16

England would love to own them, I'm

46:18

sure. I mean, they certainly tried, they

46:20

took everything. Yeah, right? 1903,

46:23

I found she had returned it to me,

46:26

and after another great misfortune had befallen

46:28

on me, I threw it

46:30

into the region's canal. Three months

46:32

afterwards, it was brought back to me by

46:35

a Warder Street dealer who had bought

46:37

it from a dredger. Then

46:39

I gave it to a friend who was a singer

46:41

at her earnest wish. The next time she tried to

46:43

sing, her voice was dead, and she never sung since.

46:47

I feel that it is exerting a

46:49

baleful influence over my newborn daughter, so

46:51

I am now packing it in seven

46:53

boxes and depositing it at my bankers

46:55

with directions that it is not to

46:57

see the light again until I am

46:59

dead thirty-three years. Whoever shall

47:01

open it shall first read this warning, and

47:03

then do so as he

47:05

pleased with the jewel. My

47:07

advice to him or her is to cast

47:09

it into the sea. I am forbidden by

47:11

the Rosicrucian Oath to do this, or I

47:13

would have done it long ago. Signed,

47:16

Edward Herron-Allen, October 1904.

47:19

Okay, interesting.

47:21

So he's saying, like, nobody fuck

47:23

with this stone until like thirty-three

47:25

years after I'm dead. Mm-hmm.

47:28

That is some, like, grandiose shit, because,

47:30

like, this dude is religious, Jesus died

47:33

at the age of thirty-three, so like,

47:35

he could be some sort of, like,

47:37

ghost, like, cursed stone Jesus

47:39

or something like that. We don't know.

47:41

But also, within that text, let's unpack

47:43

it for a moment, he clearly has

47:45

stated that this ghost is digging around

47:47

looking for this gemstone because he wants

47:49

it to be returned, and at no

47:51

point does he recommend returning

47:54

it. Oh, no. And then he's

47:56

like, throwing it in the ocean, baby. Yeah, he's like, I

47:58

liked the Hindu guy. is nice,

48:00

you know, whatever, but whatever.

48:03

He'll move on. Am I right? I'm

48:06

not sure he'll just continue digging. Yeah, but he'll be

48:08

digging in the ocean. Yeah. Anyway,

48:10

meanwhile, anyway, so pleased

48:13

to report though, since the discovery

48:15

of the Stone in 1972, the

48:18

museum is still standing, baby. Yeah.

48:20

The Stone has stayed in their collection since. It

48:23

even came out in a few different

48:25

public exhibitions. I believe the first big

48:27

public one was in 2007. Mm-hmm.

48:30

But before that, it did

48:33

make a few smaller appearances.

48:36

The gem actually came out of the

48:39

archives a few times in the early

48:41

2000s, and this plays into some further

48:43

lore because despite things being generally copacetic

48:46

at the museum, there are

48:48

still people who claim to have been

48:50

affected by the Stone. Oh, really? Not

48:52

just an incident in 2004 where Richard

48:55

Saven, a curator, took the Stone out

48:57

of collections and traveled with it to

48:59

a symposium being operated, or held, I

49:02

guess, by the Herron Allen

49:04

Society. Operated and held.

49:06

Yeah. Yeah, why not? Anyway, this is

49:08

a group dedicated to the appreciation and

49:10

study of the life and work of

49:12

Edward Herron Allen. And

49:14

on the way home from the symposium,

49:17

John and his... Sorry. ...different

49:20

resources that called him John Whitaker, so I accidentally

49:22

had it in there. Okay. If

49:24

you do go out and research this, you'll see that name

49:26

a lot. But there's actually a video that I cite in

49:28

my sources where he gives this, and his

49:31

name is Richard Saven in that. But

49:34

according to him in this interview,

49:36

on the way back from the

49:39

symposium with his wife, they encountered

49:41

some really nasty weather on the

49:43

highway to the point that

49:46

they had to pull over the vehicle. And

49:48

his wife was more or less like, why did you bring

49:51

that thing? Fuck that stone.

49:53

Right. Throw it out the window. Thankfully,

49:55

they did arrive safely, but there were

49:57

a number of other occasions after that.

50:00

actually most of them had to do

50:02

with symposiums for the Heron

50:04

Allen Society. Yeah. But Richard would try

50:07

to bring it out a number of

50:09

times following that and every

50:11

time he was plagued with some sort

50:13

of bad luck like the second Heron

50:16

Allen symposium that they did he ended

50:18

up being afflicted with a sickness the day

50:21

before when he was out eating in Soho

50:23

in London. He wasn't able to make it.

50:25

The third year that they did

50:27

it he ended up dropping like a sack of

50:29

potatoes only to find out that he

50:31

had a kidney stone which thankfully passed

50:34

a few weeks later. Not a gemstone

50:36

honey. I know right. Thankfully

50:38

the fourth time ended up

50:40

working out. Yeah

50:42

you know two out of four not

50:44

so bad. That was because the actual

50:47

symposium was taking place at the museum

50:49

though so you know it had less

50:51

to kind of roll around. He did

50:53

also take the stone to a Royal

50:55

Irish Academy in Dublin in October 2009

50:58

and his hip

51:01

did go out so. Yeah so

51:03

maybe it's this idea that this stone

51:05

just sort of like attaches itself to

51:08

somebody who spends a lot of time

51:10

with it almost like a parasite. Yeah

51:12

I mean paranormal parasite. I don't really

51:14

know because Richard's wife blames the stone

51:17

although Richard does suggest that he is

51:19

rather decrepit over his words. He's like

51:21

shit happened. He's like I'm an old

51:23

guy who works in museums I'm falling

51:26

apart so like yeah it kind

51:28

of sucks but also maybe once a year

51:30

I just have different health stuff. Yeah

51:33

he's like I just love salted meat

51:35

so much. I just I can't stop

51:38

anyway work mama but all tea

51:41

despite ongoing belief from some folks

51:43

the prevailing theory about what is

51:45

up with the Delhi cursed amethyst

51:48

is that it's probably not some

51:50

cursed artifact but instead merely stolen

51:53

piece of colonial history. Yeah and

51:56

not that it's like colonial history that was stolen

51:58

but stolen as part of colonial history. history

52:00

and that's the tea and like isn't

52:02

that the shit like that's some colonial

52:04

bullshit right to go and steal something

52:07

and yeah and like claim its curse

52:09

like yeah you're not the problem no

52:11

and then create some story around it

52:13

yeah and in terms of that spooky

52:15

reputation that it has developed a lot

52:17

of people believe that it probably has

52:19

something to do with a little miss

52:21

Harren Allen that we've been talking about

52:23

uh-huh because the tea is slash what

52:26

a lot of people fail to mention when

52:28

they talk about the alleged curse of the

52:30

stone is that Edward Harren

52:32

Allen had a pretty good reason to

52:35

fabricate this story given that it bolstered

52:37

the reputation of one of his own

52:39

works a little short

52:41

story that just so happens

52:43

to be called the purple

52:45

sapphire no fucking way

52:47

that was originally published in 1921 by

52:49

Philip and outward by

52:52

Philip Allen and company out of London

52:56

from a little guy who was

52:58

working under the pen name Christopher

53:00

Blair who just so happens to

53:02

be Edward Harren Allen stunt yeah

53:05

that's done stunt that was the

53:07

pseudonym that he used for a

53:09

lot of his fiction writing and

53:11

don't be too surprised but there's

53:13

hella overlap in the story that

53:15

he published in 1921 uh-huh and

53:18

you know overlapping with the account

53:20

that Harren Allen typed up and

53:22

accompanied the stone with down to

53:24

the very elaborate setting that Edward

53:26

had it placed in like the scarabs

53:28

the ring with the zodiac symbols all

53:31

of that is like fully detailed in

53:33

the book so it's kind of a

53:35

graphic match for what he writes about

53:37

right but I'm sure if you could

53:39

resurrect him and ask him he'd be

53:41

like I was just writing from my

53:43

experiences yeah writing from like like life

53:45

was inspiring me you know like life

53:47

imitates art I just wanted to write

53:50

this story to get it

53:52

out exactly and then you have a bunch of other people

53:54

that are like oh he was so science-minded but like all

53:56

he was a stunt Queen he was

53:58

a well-read stunned Queen He lectured

54:01

on Palm Street bitches like not saying

54:03

he didn't also know a lot of

54:05

other stuff and wasn't like real smart

54:08

But he also had a propensity for

54:10

bullshit. Yeah, and he was a sketchbag

54:12

about the ocean Exactly.

54:14

So it's not outside of the shadow of a doubt

54:16

that he could have been making this up Considering

54:19

with little evidence. He already said that

54:21

it was stained with blood and dishonor

54:24

while writing about the stone in its

54:26

early days Okay

54:29

Exactly show me the receipt Even

54:32

folks at the London Natural History Museum support

54:35

this theory They add that they believe that

54:37

here and Alan probably met somebody like an

54:39

old ex Colonel or somebody

54:41

like that and then after being regaled

54:43

with their stories of like colonial plunder

54:46

in India He probably made up

54:48

his own and then had the jewelry made to

54:50

kind of like bolster the

54:52

story So it could go so

54:54

as far that this stone was actually never

54:57

stolen from anybody anywhere. There's a good chance

55:00

That's the thing. Mm-hmm Because as I said

55:02

the original date that it was like picked

55:04

up It doesn't overlap with like when you

55:06

knees were going on also when you go

55:08

try to find temples of Indra that are

55:10

in comp or like Specifically

55:12

there's not a lot that comes up

55:14

I mean, maybe I'm just looking at

55:16

it through a contemporary and you know

55:18

Western lens and I'm not able to

55:21

You know parse out the nuance, but it doesn't

55:23

really it doesn't really add up in terms

55:25

of hard facts But it could also explain

55:27

why he doesn't advise anybody to return it

55:29

from where it was taken. Yeah, cuz it

55:31

wasn't taken from anywhere Exactly

55:34

and also in lieu of finding a

55:36

purple sapphire look in his story because

55:38

they're so damn rare He

55:41

probably just had it made

55:43

with amethyst, you know, cuz

55:45

it's close enough Sure So

55:48

kind of like costume jewelry, you know, it

55:50

looks good from afar It's not that bad.

55:52

It's a whole lot cheaper chomp down on

55:54

it. It's a bit of a different story

55:56

But anyway, none of us know for sure

55:58

there are just some kind of sketchy

56:00

facts that surround the lore. I'm

56:03

partial to agree with what the

56:05

London Natural History Museum seems to

56:08

think about, you know, this bolstering

56:10

the profile of his stories. I

56:13

do think it's a fun story in a pretty stone

56:15

though. Yeah. So ultimately get your

56:17

life, go see stuff in museums, and

56:19

go enjoy this fucked up

56:21

piece of jewelry. But I just don't

56:23

think it's cursing anybody necessarily. But I

56:25

could be gravely incorrect. Maybe.

56:27

Either way, it's pretty, like if

56:30

this whole thing was a stunt, it's pretty

56:32

badass. That dude died

56:35

with this stone wrapped in seven

56:37

boxes with the most dramatic warning

56:39

letter of all time. Like that

56:41

is the way to go out

56:43

of this world, bitch. And

56:45

then it's not even like you're really paid

56:47

dividends because you'd be like, oh, this is

56:49

like marketing for the story. The story isn't

56:52

really that well remembered. Yeah. It's

56:54

just kind of like a stunt for

56:56

stunts sake. Right. You're just having fun

56:58

at that point. Exactly. It's not

57:00

like his 1923 novel, The

57:02

Cheetah Girl. I mean, it's

57:04

not like that iconic. Wow.

57:07

Did that inspire The Cheetah Girls?

57:09

You know, I don't think it

57:12

does too bad. It turns out

57:14

that the 1923 Christopher Blair, AKA

57:16

the pen name of Edward Heron

57:18

Allen book, The Cheetah Girl, has

57:20

to do with like lesbian bestiality

57:22

and like how Cheetah half woman

57:24

hybrids are eroticized. It's pulpy

57:27

and fucked up. People were doing some weird ass

57:30

shit in the 1920s. And

57:32

I think it kind of had a

57:34

lot to do with surrealism, right? Yeah.

57:36

Opium dens. Well, yeah. Yeah. Or just,

57:38

you know, old drugs. Yeah. Regardless, I

57:42

should probably just thank my sources. Maybe. That

57:44

is the story of the Delhi Purple Sapphire,

57:46

AKA the Delhi Cursed Amethyst, AKA. I'll figure

57:48

out a succinct theme to give it by

57:50

the time we put this episode. She

57:53

goes by many names. And Nobody can keep

57:55

it together, but at least we got the

57:57

facts. Yeah. So Thank you to my sources.

58:00

Speaking on the facts or think he

58:02

to the book The Purple Sapphire and

58:04

other posthumous pieces by Edward Hair and

58:07

Allen and really says Christopher Blaring Night

58:09

and Twenty One It is available to

58:11

read in it's entirety at Free read.com.a

58:14

You add Roy Claassens Library on there

58:16

were at I you can search it

58:18

out for all his you googlers out

58:20

there they can to The Heron Allen

58:23

Society for a short biography of Edward

58:25

Herrmann Allen which was published by Rb

58:27

Russell and Tartars Press think is T

58:30

Times. Of India for the story

58:32

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58:34

Deli Purple Sapphire published by

58:36

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58:38

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Alright, But anyway, before I get

1:01:59

talking about geology again... the wanna

1:02:01

go, yeah, do more to this

1:02:03

week. I'm going to be taking

1:02:05

us home somewhat literally because I

1:02:07

have a true crime case from

1:02:09

Canada also one that maybe you

1:02:11

haven't heard about, even though maybe

1:02:13

you should have because it is

1:02:15

one of the biggest mass murders

1:02:17

in Canadian history. Oh okay, and

1:02:19

I always say that because I

1:02:22

also had never heard of Muslim.

1:02:24

so don't judge me how many.

1:02:26

Well, I don't know. Yeah, no

1:02:28

no, I don't know if. You

1:02:30

know me by Do Not Either connection.

1:02:32

Yeah, great. catches. On

1:02:34

suits. But anyway here's the thing that

1:02:37

I'm going to be talking about to

1:02:39

they were the case that I'm gonna

1:02:41

be talking about Today is called The

1:02:43

Soul a cushion tragedy. Do.

1:02:45

You know her? know? Okay,

1:02:49

So yes, but for this case,

1:02:51

we're going to be traveling back

1:02:53

in time to come back. Nineteen

1:02:56

forty nine of her removed will

1:02:58

meet a man named Albert Gray.

1:03:01

Now Alberta Way when he was born

1:03:03

was the youngest of five children and

1:03:05

he was actually born Joseph Albert Go

1:03:08

in nineteen seventeen although he went by

1:03:10

Albert way he was from a very

1:03:12

Catholic the like very devout family and

1:03:14

I guess like at some point in

1:03:16

time back in the day everybody had

1:03:19

like a biblical first name and then

1:03:21

would go by there like middle name

1:03:23

and I wish I'd that was like

1:03:25

what was going on with me i

1:03:27

was my parents when I was home

1:03:30

I was like why. Am I

1:03:32

for serpents? com jong nam? I guess

1:03:34

my mom decides to malik as it's

1:03:36

like her feathers yeah raises when it's

1:03:38

hold freak about it all boils multiple

1:03:40

of your siblings we ago by the

1:03:42

middle name yeah up with no experience

1:03:44

I'm just saying that yards to my

1:03:46

sister is also go by their middle

1:03:48

last name. Great! Oh yes so anyway

1:03:50

Albert he did go by his real

1:03:52

name though later in life he would

1:03:54

choose to be called J. Albert Gray

1:03:56

because everyone at at and at a

1:03:59

little bit. Yeah. Yeah, But anyway,

1:04:01

he lived with his family in

1:04:03

Shiny, which was just outside Quebec

1:04:05

City, and his father was a

1:04:07

breaker who work for the Canadian

1:04:09

National Railway isn't But sadly, his

1:04:11

father would die in a train

1:04:13

accident when Albert was just five

1:04:15

years old, and shortly after his

1:04:18

father's death, that family ended up

1:04:20

moving across the river to Lemoine

1:04:22

to lose either, which was a

1:04:24

suburb of Tobacco City, I do

1:04:26

believe. Okay, and I'm probably mispronouncing

1:04:28

that. Listen, I have. Worked on my

1:04:30

friends pronunciations spy learn basically all right now

1:04:33

from directly name traps. Are you gonna have

1:04:35

to excuse me? They see very my. You

1:04:37

also might have to excuse Pussy Treads for

1:04:40

having a drag name like that. Has that

1:04:42

been needs very well? No No. But you

1:04:44

know what? That French lesson to get you

1:04:46

through three years Montreal? did you know? does

1:04:49

that answer some fire at the moon? And

1:04:51

how are those three years Rocky A little

1:04:53

bit more how to say the lead hurt

1:04:55

of Sour Now brass into this great loss

1:04:58

being the death of his father Albert. Was

1:05:00

heavily doted on as a child

1:05:02

and has been referred to as

1:05:04

a spoiled percent the. He didn't

1:05:06

really have much of a formal

1:05:08

education from what I understand, but

1:05:11

he was very smart and he

1:05:13

was very self assured. At sixteen

1:05:15

he was a familiar figure in

1:05:17

the pool hall of her and

1:05:19

there he would earn a dollar

1:05:21

every now and then by selling

1:05:23

watch it is in jewelry do

1:05:25

okay and I don't know what

1:05:27

this looks like. The out I

1:05:29

hope involved. A trench coat and

1:05:31

him and a lot of clips on

1:05:34

and water inside. The trends hell yeah,

1:05:36

lot of snapping your fingers yeah school

1:05:38

rhythm that nobody else can hear. the

1:05:41

exactly a lotta leaning against walls and

1:05:43

lingering under Bell Street like our lot

1:05:45

of free to as vastly. But anyway,

1:05:47

from a very young age Albert was

1:05:50

selling watches and jewelry and this would

1:05:52

actually be something he would continue to

1:05:54

do well into his adulthood. It would

1:05:57

become his main livelihood at at some

1:05:59

point out. Now in nineteen for

1:06:01

you while and at the age of

1:06:03

twenty three, Albert ended up getting a

1:06:06

factory job at the St Malo Arsenal

1:06:08

in Quebec and he did this in

1:06:10

order to avoid like active military service

1:06:12

at he still a while he was

1:06:14

working out this factory continue to sell

1:06:17

jewelry and watches on the side so

1:06:19

we never really did give that up

1:06:21

and hustle doesn't die now. and because

1:06:23

he had this side gig he was

1:06:26

actually doing rather well for himself Now

1:06:28

while working at this factory Albert. Ended

1:06:30

up meeting a woman named Rita Morale

1:06:32

and Albert and Reader really hit it

1:06:34

off right away. So they began to

1:06:37

date and the actually ended up marrying

1:06:39

that same year in August of Nineteen

1:06:41

Forty One. So Mama's moved fast, they

1:06:43

move faster than the game. He must

1:06:46

have given her awards and probably only

1:06:48

thing I don't tempt them. And yeah

1:06:50

isn't this a certain point? She must

1:06:52

have a threshold or she's like you

1:06:55

can't give me who are to another

1:06:57

watch like real In my leg it's

1:06:59

already filled. With watch have nowhere

1:07:01

to put I'm cardi be in

1:07:03

the money video yeah, like existed

1:07:05

in my absolute that's probably work

1:07:07

Rd biggest the Id one hundred

1:07:10

per cent. It specifically designed a

1:07:12

new but anyway a Reader and

1:07:14

Albert. They ended up marrying and

1:07:16

shortly after that they moved into

1:07:18

an apartment together in the lower

1:07:20

Town in Tibet. In not towards

1:07:22

the end of the war, Albert

1:07:24

ended up leaving the Arsenal and

1:07:27

it was at this point in

1:07:29

time that he became a full

1:07:31

time jewelry salesman. T and Reader

1:07:33

ended up moving to Seven Islands,

1:07:35

where their daughter Lease was born

1:07:37

in Nineteen Forty Five. Okay, and

1:07:39

using his home as a base

1:07:41

of operations, Albert would travel from

1:07:44

one river town to another with

1:07:46

briefcases and suitcases full of jewelry

1:07:48

and watches. So he was basically

1:07:50

a traveling salesman at him to

1:07:52

his old engagement rings, crucifixes and

1:07:54

watches. and he sold most of

1:07:56

these on an installment plan. Now

1:07:58

he added up. Increasing his profits

1:08:00

by also picking up watches that were

1:08:03

broken and needed to be repaired. And

1:08:05

he would collect these watches as he

1:08:07

went from town to town to town.

1:08:10

and then he would bring them back

1:08:12

to a man named General Rule Wrist

1:08:14

and General Grew S would fix. Yeah,

1:08:16

it's a real nigga America that I'd

1:08:19

I'd totally trustee of. It does translate

1:08:21

to generous though in English. so we

1:08:23

now and er s yeah, damning Sanderson

1:08:26

By the way, a General Rule ist

1:08:28

of would fix these watches. In his

1:08:30

workshop that he just had in

1:08:32

his apartments. and then he and

1:08:34

Albert would split the profits from

1:08:36

that. So it's another nice little

1:08:38

way and make a little bit

1:08:40

of money. Now in the summer

1:08:42

of nineteen Forty seven, while visiting

1:08:44

to Back City, Albert ended up

1:08:46

dropping into a lower town cafe

1:08:48

where he initiated a conversation with

1:08:50

the server named Murray and robot

1:08:52

type of her. Now she was

1:08:55

seventeen. At this point in time

1:08:57

he wasn't He was like an

1:08:59

adult. Okay, I'm. Although apparently she

1:09:01

said she was nineteen, so apparently

1:09:03

she lied about her. But

1:09:06

either way, he was born. when was

1:09:08

he born again? That be throwback to

1:09:10

low enough I'm going to pinpoint his

1:09:12

A She's born in nineteen seventy. Okay,

1:09:15

this is like nineteen Forty Seven. Okay,

1:09:17

so he's thirty and and than one

1:09:19

time and she's like seventeen so will

1:09:21

be a key. Yeah, Anyway, they met

1:09:24

each other through the fact that he

1:09:26

was just a patron at the place

1:09:28

that she worked and they started. To

1:09:30

hit it off, know or despite

1:09:33

being married with children, Albert decided

1:09:35

to pursue Marianne who would seemingly

1:09:37

welcome his advances even though she

1:09:40

knew of his marriage. That okay

1:09:42

now as a traveling salesman it

1:09:45

was pretty easy for Albert to

1:09:47

keep his relationship with Murray as

1:09:49

as as a complete secret young

1:09:52

his wife and pretty soon Albert

1:09:54

start spending more and more time

1:09:56

in lower town to be with

1:09:59

his missed. Now. Their

1:10:01

relationship became so serious that Murray

1:10:03

Orange ended up introducing him to

1:10:05

her parents. Are he had a

1:10:07

whole meet the parents moment? Yeah.

1:10:09

And to avoid being found out

1:10:12

Albert actually used a pseudonym Robert

1:10:14

Anger is bogus. It would be

1:10:16

under his eye on her on

1:10:18

Gays on their own share of

1:10:20

the automatically Robert on share of

1:10:22

yeah yeah it's about Robert Angers

1:10:24

the solo that more by the

1:10:26

hell yeah. Very some Queenie The

1:10:28

definitely am And I said Robert.

1:10:30

But it's roster okay way that alters.

1:10:33

The point is you're lying about his

1:10:35

name. He would have loved to if

1:10:37

he would have been like yes I

1:10:39

am Roger if I higher yes that

1:10:41

is me Now Yen Roger am I

1:10:43

Yes and now as charming as ever

1:10:45

Albert seem to impress Murray on his

1:10:47

parents like this go to seem to

1:10:49

have a charisma about have been why

1:10:51

he to so successful selling jewelry can

1:10:53

do outdoor is basically like his own

1:10:55

personal M L M. But anyway as

1:10:57

a sign of his devotion to marry

1:11:00

ours Albert gave. Her a ring in

1:11:02

front of her parents and that seemed

1:11:04

like a really grand gesture but us

1:11:06

and same types disguise. basically tripping over

1:11:08

Julie so he probably just like opened

1:11:11

up a suitcase or closed his eyes.

1:11:13

Pick one and are like perfect. Yeah

1:11:15

exactly. Now Early and Nineteen Forty eight

1:11:17

Albert ended up moving his family and

1:11:19

his business to St Said the Or

1:11:22

Street and lower town and there he

1:11:24

rented most of the ground floor of

1:11:26

a building use this as a storefront

1:11:28

and also had been living quarters in.

1:11:31

The rear so can give is a

1:11:33

very fairly modern apartment house at that

1:11:35

time and it's go back some sure.

1:11:37

The rent was like half as much

1:11:40

as anywhere else on the contrary probably

1:11:42

are you do have to get from

1:11:44

friends and stove? yeah he probably dead

1:11:47

Yes the thing as he really give

1:11:49

a fuck that the prison. So because

1:11:51

he was in lower town now which

1:11:54

brought him closer to Murray I have

1:11:56

gone are seeing this whole time so

1:11:58

Albert felt like he would be able

1:12:01

to balance both of his relationship batteries

1:12:03

like it's so hard cheating on my

1:12:05

wife I you know make it easier.

1:12:07

How can I explain the situation separate

1:12:10

as prose? Yeah yeah exactly. This thing

1:12:12

is. Now that they were closer together

1:12:14

he was closer to being taught and

1:12:17

in November of that year, nineteen Forty

1:12:19

eight Albert's wife Rita found out about

1:12:21

Mary Ons through the local rumor mill.

1:12:24

Can read on him now read it.

1:12:26

Ended up tracking down at Mary and

1:12:28

his parents and completely. Blew up

1:12:31

their sponsor see them go

1:12:33

straight to the source. She

1:12:35

went above and around at

1:12:37

him and she explained that

1:12:39

Roger Anger is or on

1:12:41

Jay was actually her husband

1:12:44

Jay Albert do I am

1:12:46

who was also the father

1:12:48

of child. Who can ah

1:12:50

now Murray as his parents

1:12:52

were absolutely horrified to learn

1:12:55

about the deceit and a

1:12:57

few hours after readers visit

1:12:59

Mary Ann's. Was kicked out of

1:13:01

the house they said had no Ma'am

1:13:03

No thank you. I'm sure the shoes

1:13:05

probably given an ultimatum being like you

1:13:08

need to cut this off or you're

1:13:10

getting kicked out. Who knows, she probably

1:13:12

refuse. While she did refused because they

1:13:14

did continue to see each other, but

1:13:16

either way it's she was out of

1:13:18

the house. So with nowhere to go,

1:13:21

Albert arranged for Mary Ann's to stay

1:13:23

with a woman named Margarita Petrie. Okay,

1:13:25

now Albert new Marguerite Petrie because she

1:13:27

was actually the sister of his business

1:13:29

partner. A general rule. rest of

1:13:31

the guy who would fix and

1:13:33

restore broken watches Yes, But also

1:13:35

I do believe that she worked

1:13:38

at the same factory as Albert

1:13:40

and Read A did during World

1:13:42

war two other others. There is

1:13:44

very much a familiarity here total

1:13:46

now. Marguerite A was also an

1:13:48

interesting woman, as she was married

1:13:50

twice and she had at least

1:13:52

one very unruly child. However, she

1:13:54

was known around town as Leg

1:13:56

Kobo More and the Raven in

1:13:58

English because she. Always wore black

1:14:01

who I love that which is where

1:14:03

I feel very European doesn't area. Absolute

1:14:05

entering to back is basically as close

1:14:07

as you can get to Europe and

1:14:10

Canada. Have known the or up Ray

1:14:12

exact? everybody's just has a better fashion

1:14:14

sense their of chorus and like who

1:14:16

would not want been nicknamed like the

1:14:19

in surfer came here either aims yes

1:14:21

that's such a moment from like a

1:14:23

novel that's it because we are like

1:14:26

okay everybody was like who misses Scarlett

1:14:28

with clue but like Mrs Peacock. Is

1:14:30

really where it was? Or is she's got

1:14:32

the fantasy? Yeah, yeah, let's out. A.

1:14:34

Feather you got. She's got the

1:14:37

the the multiple colors. you know

1:14:39

implosion Cnc can be strapped down

1:14:41

by one color. Yeah she's got

1:14:43

multiple blooms, greens, purples, sex appeal.

1:14:46

Now the our Mrs. Peacock is

1:14:48

the moment she was the most

1:14:50

bank of the whole Iraq will

1:14:53

obviously. Ah the hawker. Also you

1:14:55

know I love to get older.

1:14:58

Colonel. Mother's younger debris. Good exercise

1:15:00

Caution: Say that, don't you fucking

1:15:02

hate it. Cydia. it's a

1:15:04

hate far south as shores show a

1:15:06

different yard the you make of this

1:15:09

Tv make it past the hour mark

1:15:11

in the episode we start same things

1:15:13

like tape fuck be I actually and

1:15:15

we start sexualized include a tourist yeah

1:15:18

hubble in Iowa time and so anyway

1:15:20

yeah I'm Marguerite. She was known around

1:15:22

town as the Raven with sounds pretty

1:15:24

bad ass to me. Now this arrangement

1:15:27

with Marguerite only lasted for a little

1:15:29

while Marguerite was married, so Murray on

1:15:31

his was also living with Marguerite. And

1:15:34

her husband. Yes, And because of

1:15:36

this, privacy was becoming a bit

1:15:38

of an issue. So Albert decided

1:15:40

to move my arms into her

1:15:43

own apartment, which he of course

1:15:45

paid for and visit it frequently

1:15:47

and and did whatever they want

1:15:50

to do for sure. All this

1:15:52

while Albert remained married to a

1:15:54

reader and of course, if things

1:15:56

were absolutely awful Albert and reader

1:15:59

or dude constantly read it ended

1:16:01

up moving back in with her

1:16:03

mother at a certain point, taking

1:16:06

their daughter with her, and clearly

1:16:08

their marriage was over. like there

1:16:10

was no love left. But. This.

1:16:13

Was a different time, you know?

1:16:15

Had it been not nineteen Forty

1:16:17

Nine, maybe they would have been

1:16:19

able to get a divorce. No

1:16:21

problem. However, at this point in

1:16:24

time in the nineteen forties and

1:16:26

actually into the fifties and sixties

1:16:28

religion I lack of divorce legislation

1:16:30

into back made it very difficult

1:16:32

to legally separate. Er mer like

1:16:34

divorce just kind of wasn't an

1:16:36

option. I guess what? Either that

1:16:39

or maybe one of them wanted

1:16:41

a divorce, but the other was.

1:16:43

Refusing other know is a

1:16:45

messy situation. mud. Basically, Albert

1:16:47

was feeling stuck in this

1:16:49

relationship that he wanted out

1:16:51

of. so he began to

1:16:53

consider some alternative means of

1:16:55

ending his know how. ha

1:16:57

ha ha ha ha ha.

1:16:59

Yeah, this is where he

1:17:01

gets fucked. Ah, joker. Now,

1:17:03

in April Nineteen Forty nine,

1:17:05

Albert approached a twenty one

1:17:07

year old friend of the

1:17:09

family named Lucian Kuru and

1:17:11

offered him five. Hundred. Dollars.

1:17:15

To. Murder Reader. Yeah.

1:17:17

I. Don't know what the situation was. Maybe

1:17:19

with little dinner parties, at least sandwiches.

1:17:21

A really nice how about murdering my

1:17:24

wife for me? Yeah yeah for like

1:17:26

up live your number yeah I'm You

1:17:28

know how much five hundred dollars would

1:17:30

have been worth of that point? Nine

1:17:32

Eleven sleaze girl on murdering somebody for

1:17:35

any amount of money is just off

1:17:37

the table mitosis right? I guess I

1:17:39

don't have a cry high so me

1:17:41

out of the prices know man so

1:17:43

much now. Loose. In

1:17:45

a politically declined the quote unquote offer

1:17:47

sore and I'm assuming he probably assume

1:17:50

that Albert was only kidding because he

1:17:52

didn't really say anything about it at

1:17:54

that time. I'm telling us we didn't

1:17:56

say take a the exact oh yeah,

1:17:58

but we the seems like some hetero

1:18:00

humor. Oh yeah, right. like what is

1:18:02

it was straight couples like you see

1:18:05

it so much now as the internet.

1:18:07

What is it with straight couples pretending

1:18:09

like they don't love each other? I

1:18:11

really don't like each other. They want

1:18:13

to kill each other, be rid of

1:18:15

each other. It's like an extension of

1:18:17

that. like Borst foul play Rodney Dangerfield.

1:18:20

like I can take my wife pre.

1:18:22

great. But now it's just like all

1:18:24

over Tic toc. Yeah, exactly. the internet.

1:18:26

Rios aspirated. It's yeah, regularly battle phase.

1:18:28

It was like would. Do your couple

1:18:31

certain content that thought use but

1:18:33

this makes a punchline something other

1:18:35

than like are paid my why

1:18:37

all the old ball and chain

1:18:39

it's like. This ain't

1:18:41

the honeymooners Honey is so tired

1:18:43

plate and than exactly. But anyway,

1:18:45

this offer was on the table

1:18:47

than it was pushed off of

1:18:49

the table. So now Albert was

1:18:51

casually trying to orchestrate readers murder

1:18:53

because he was actually very serious

1:18:55

about this. Yeah, the problem as

1:18:57

as Albert's trying to plot all

1:18:59

of this Murray as was growing

1:19:01

tired of waiting for Albert to

1:19:04

get his shit together she didn't

1:19:06

know by the way or that

1:19:08

he was planning on killing is

1:19:10

why Daddy. Was like you know considering

1:19:12

it smell like oh my God of

1:19:14

Korean exactly But I'm assuming he was

1:19:16

probably promising her that like our they

1:19:18

would be able to be together, they

1:19:20

would be able to marry all of

1:19:23

these like false promises you know your.

1:19:25

And she was just kind of getting

1:19:27

tired of the bullshit And so in

1:19:29

July of nineteen Forty ninth, Murray as

1:19:31

had had it officially and she decided

1:19:33

to move back in with her parents

1:19:36

after breaking things off with Albert Good

1:19:38

on his yeah, she basically left behind

1:19:40

a letter. That read quote I love

1:19:42

you terribly and will be together again

1:19:44

very soon. So although Albert was like

1:19:46

completely devastated by the fact that she

1:19:48

had left, there was a glimmer of

1:19:50

hope that maybe he would be able

1:19:53

to rekindle saying said i would love

1:19:55

it if the letter as we satellite.

1:19:58

I. Loved you but you're terrible. I

1:20:00

love you. Error Please I do

1:20:02

that has maybe maybe not as

1:20:04

it out, maybe he just read

1:20:07

what he wanted to read either

1:20:09

there is as a smile and

1:20:11

Turbo Sam Yeah Now after Murray

1:20:13

on bailed on a relationship Albert

1:20:15

began to discuss his predicaments with

1:20:17

more and more other people. So

1:20:20

much so that in early August

1:20:22

read have received an anonymous letter

1:20:24

that said quote watch out because

1:20:26

something is going to happen to

1:20:28

you my daughter. She did not

1:20:31

know where this letter came from.

1:20:33

Yeah, again, it was anonymous. I

1:20:35

don't think we've ever found out

1:20:37

where this letter came from, but

1:20:39

that is pretty harrowing. The thing

1:20:41

is, I don't think she really

1:20:43

knew what this letter was alluding

1:20:45

to, but unfortunately, the letter was

1:20:47

correct. Something was going to happen

1:20:49

to her, and Albert was working

1:20:51

hard behind the scenes to make

1:20:53

it happen. for nearly so. by

1:20:55

the middle of August nineteen Forty

1:20:57

nine, Albert shared his woes with

1:20:59

his. Sister Brother best ease Marguerite

1:21:02

Petrie and General Rule as miss

1:21:04

not known what Albert could have

1:21:06

possibly says in order to convince

1:21:08

them whenever he was unsure was

1:21:11

lie as I'm sure it was

1:21:13

lies and I'm sure he turned

1:21:15

on the charm. Months somehow both

1:21:17

the Marguerite and General Rule agreed

1:21:20

to help Albert with his little

1:21:22

predicament Which is to say that

1:21:24

they agreed to help Albert execute

1:21:26

a plan to kill his wife

1:21:29

Rita. ah. Yeah, Wrath Magnetism. Yeah.

1:21:31

Now the fact that Marguerite and

1:21:33

General were willing to help Albert's

1:21:35

scheme to murder his wife is

1:21:37

on sounding to say that very

1:21:40

leisure off like Albert had a

1:21:42

very clear motive in all of

1:21:44

this. He wanted to murder Reader

1:21:46

so that he could. Mary Mary

1:21:48

Ons Mud, Marguerite and General seemingly

1:21:50

hadn't see her. You So to

1:21:52

gain from any of this like

1:21:54

Murray Ons did stay with Marguerite

1:21:57

for a little while, but I

1:21:59

don't know. There are like relationship

1:22:01

became so tight that she's literally murder

1:22:03

somebody for. I though it is speculated

1:22:05

that Marguerite might have owed Albert some

1:22:08

money to the tune of six hundred

1:22:10

dollars and Albert might have been like

1:22:12

all forget all about that six hundred

1:22:15

dollars you owe me if you how

1:22:17

me murder my wife with okay so

1:22:19

sad or she does muslim and it

1:22:22

was one of the other exactly yeah

1:22:24

love the could have been better than

1:22:26

your to my as romantic you know.

1:22:30

That either way, Marguerite and

1:22:32

General were on board and

1:22:34

Albert with them began to

1:22:36

devise a way to murder

1:22:38

his wife inconspicuously. And now

1:22:40

earlier that summer Albert had

1:22:42

actually taken a business trip

1:22:44

by boat to abate come

1:22:47

out him. On this business

1:22:49

trip he brought two suitcases

1:22:51

of jewelry with him and

1:22:53

ask her not too many

1:22:55

sales like businesses pretty dead

1:22:57

at the times. Our decided

1:22:59

to leave. His suitcases in a

1:23:01

warehouse for safe keeping and would

1:23:03

plan to collect them later on

1:23:05

can. Now, at this time, this

1:23:08

wasn't done for any sort of

1:23:10

nefarious reason, but now Albert realize

1:23:12

that he could maybe use the

1:23:14

abandoned suitcases adults as a part

1:23:16

of his master plans to have

1:23:18

reader kill. Yeah, So for the

1:23:20

next little while, Albert started to

1:23:23

study the flight paths of the

1:23:25

now defunct Canadian Pacific Airlines as

1:23:27

they flew out of my seen

1:23:29

or read. On her back cities he

1:23:31

basically was timing the planes to determine

1:23:33

how long it took the planes to

1:23:35

be over the water of the Saint

1:23:37

Lawrence river. Say he was just doing

1:23:39

that because he was just interested in

1:23:41

I was just like the fun thing

1:23:43

to do have to suffer to discuss

1:23:45

he loves loves yeah actually I and

1:23:47

leave years mans Yeah you really want

1:23:49

aviation course that's not the case. This

1:23:52

was all a part of his master

1:23:54

plan which will get into and just

1:23:56

a moment yeah force now after timing

1:23:58

of these planes and their flight. Albert

1:24:01

gave Marguerite some money to go

1:24:03

out and buy some dynamite ah,

1:24:05

she purchased under a fake name

1:24:07

and address explaining that should be

1:24:09

using the explosives to blast some

1:24:11

large tree stumps from and neighbor's

1:24:13

yard which I guess was that

1:24:16

com and use for dynamite at

1:24:18

the time and over history Mckay

1:24:20

Mb rights and she was totally

1:24:22

conspicuous. She was wearing a fake

1:24:24

mustache that she curled every ten

1:24:26

seconds. yeah hunters, but outside of

1:24:29

that very normal. Interact socially. nor.

1:24:31

oh and you kept calling like

1:24:33

a crow. it's users and to

1:24:35

be accepted. And yeah, we love

1:24:37

them after for an excellent now.

1:24:39

Once moderates secured the bag which

1:24:42

is to say bought the dynamite

1:24:44

yeah it was handed over to

1:24:46

her brother in general. Now general

1:24:48

was quite handy with mechanics and

1:24:50

after a little bit of trial

1:24:52

and error and some studying, he

1:24:55

used his skills to build a

1:24:57

self detonating bomb consisting primarily of

1:24:59

an alarm. Clock a dry

1:25:01

cell battery, a detonator, and

1:25:03

a detonating cap. Oh, now

1:25:05

our Albert had to do

1:25:08

was get his wife on

1:25:10

a plane. Ah, the explosive.

1:25:12

With a whole bunch of

1:25:14

other people though, he. Had

1:25:17

general. Rule of him. Very.

1:25:19

That. Now over the

1:25:22

summer Albert had been quote

1:25:24

unquote trying to repair his

1:25:26

marriage. He took Read on

1:25:28

get are ways to try

1:25:30

and rekindle their relationship. The

1:25:32

Out: all Albert was really

1:25:34

trying to do was butter

1:25:36

Rita up for his master

1:25:38

plan and gain her trust

1:25:40

back Now come September, Albert

1:25:42

asked Read At to travel

1:25:44

to Bay Commute via a

1:25:46

plane to retrieve the two

1:25:48

suitcases that he had left

1:25:50

at the warehouse. Great. Yeah,

1:25:52

totally chill conspicuous much

1:25:54

love now reader was

1:25:57

reluctant to do this.

1:25:59

She. Didn't really wanna

1:26:01

do it. but eventually Albert was

1:26:03

able to persuade her and so

1:26:06

he secured her a ticket on

1:26:08

board Canadian Pacific Airlines flight One

1:26:10

o' Eight, which was scheduled to

1:26:13

depart Last seen Laurette on September

1:26:15

ninth. Nineteen, Forty Nine And Co.

1:26:17

Albert realize that he couldn't ask

1:26:20

his wife to walk onto the

1:26:22

plane with an explosive men, so

1:26:25

instead the bomb was going to

1:26:27

be checked onto the flight by

1:26:29

Marguerite. In disguise as a fragile

1:26:32

package address to in non existant

1:26:34

man in bay to move around

1:26:36

and whom okay general rule had

1:26:38

set the timer on the bomb

1:26:40

for ten Forty five am on

1:26:42

September Ninth. Nineteen Forty nine. which

1:26:45

is when Albert believe the plane

1:26:47

would be fun blows up. It

1:26:49

blows up over a body of

1:26:51

water so that when it crashes

1:26:53

it's harder to like determine what

1:26:56

had actually happened at a so

1:26:58

shady, very shady and very calculated.

1:27:00

Ah, now at this point the

1:27:02

trough was set and on that

1:27:05

day, September Nine, Nineteen Forty Ninth,

1:27:07

Albert escort it his wife Rita

1:27:09

to the airports, but not before

1:27:12

taking out a ten thousand dollar

1:27:14

life insurance policy on her name

1:27:16

Mars. Now this seems obvious, but

1:27:19

also at this point in time

1:27:21

in Nineteen Forty Nine, it was

1:27:23

very risky to be flying a

1:27:26

plane period now, so people would

1:27:28

do this all the time. They're

1:27:30

like you're going up into a plane. could

1:27:33

be dangerous. Let's just make sure that if

1:27:35

something horrible happens, your family's gonna be okay.

1:27:37

Okay, I know. So although like knowing

1:27:39

what we know, this is super suspicious at

1:27:41

the time, it wouldn't have been suspicious at

1:27:44

all. It was kind of just like getting

1:27:46

travelers insurance basically of her. And yeah, So

1:27:49

anyway, he did this. but at this

1:27:51

point in time, breeder was kind of

1:27:53

getting cold feet to really go. Wanna

1:27:55

go on the plane again? She didn't

1:27:57

want to go on the plane before

1:27:59

now. It was the day She

1:28:01

didn't really want to do it, and

1:28:03

maybe it's because she knew that planes

1:28:06

are dangerous. I don't really want to

1:28:08

do this for a couple of fuck

1:28:10

and suitcases for sure, so they apparently

1:28:12

argued over it in the airport for

1:28:15

little bit, but ultimately Rita was swayed

1:28:17

to board the doomed flight. Meanwhile, Marguerite

1:28:19

was in a taxi on her way

1:28:21

to the airport with the explosive disguised

1:28:24

as a parcel. When she arrived at

1:28:26

the airports, she asked the taxi driver

1:28:28

who had taken her their. To wait

1:28:30

for her. and then she went inside

1:28:33

the airport and pay to have the

1:28:35

parcel transport it on flight. even. Oh

1:28:37

A. Naturally she didn't use her real

1:28:40

name. so the package identified the sender

1:28:42

as Dell Fifth Bouchard of Saint Simon's

1:28:44

who is actually a real person really

1:28:47

lived a hundred miles away. The why

1:28:49

would have been pass. Yeah I'm assuming

1:28:51

maybe they like look through a phone

1:28:54

book, grabbed random name and slapped down

1:28:56

the package on where his. Again, they

1:28:58

didn't expect this package. To survive so

1:29:01

than just like whatever will throw fake

1:29:03

name on it a lot of the

1:29:05

trace if eight or nine fake address

1:29:07

thanks old timey phone berg rights now.

1:29:10

A year after the package was accepted

1:29:12

by the airlines, Marguerite returned to the

1:29:14

taxi which dropped her off in front

1:29:16

of her apartment building. Flight.

1:29:18

One of eight was five minutes

1:29:21

late leaving Comeback City, but shortly

1:29:23

thereafter, the plane took off into

1:29:25

the sky with reader and the

1:29:27

ticking time bomb on board. Sixty.

1:29:30

Five kilometers after liftoff, a

1:29:32

crash of thunder was heard

1:29:34

over there shall have oh

1:29:37

coastline and near Mint Tea

1:29:39

Rivera St. Francoise. A fisherman

1:29:41

named Patrick Smart looked up

1:29:43

and saw a smoking plane

1:29:45

descending in the sky. The

1:29:48

plane continued to fall before

1:29:50

it disappeared behind a mountain.

1:29:53

The. Incident was reported and almost

1:29:55

immediately investigators with the Canadian

1:29:57

Pacific Airlines went out in.

1:30:00

The Comeback Wilderness to try

1:30:02

and find the wreckage. And

1:30:04

by nightfall, the crash site

1:30:06

was found in Seoul a

1:30:09

Christian and it was absolute

1:30:11

carnage. Drunken bodies and body

1:30:13

parts were scattered all over

1:30:15

the ground, which was a

1:30:18

clear indication that no one

1:30:20

had survived. Yeah, and in

1:30:22

total, twenty three lives were

1:30:24

lost in the tragedy, including

1:30:27

Albert's wife Rita Morale. Now,

1:30:30

although the plane was intended to

1:30:32

explode and descend into the Saint

1:30:34

Lawrence River, the end results were

1:30:36

still the same and Albert secretly

1:30:38

elated, assumed the role of grieving

1:30:41

has been. Now it is worth

1:30:43

clarifying that the reason why the

1:30:45

plane to crash into the Saint

1:30:47

Lawrence River like Albert had planned

1:30:50

was because it was late leaving

1:30:52

the airport and correct city and

1:30:54

this would actually prove to be

1:30:56

Albert's downfall. So although this is

1:30:59

a terrible. thing. That one thing.

1:31:01

Is. A good thing about

1:31:03

the investigation that was going

1:31:05

to com okay because initially

1:31:08

it was assumed that this

1:31:10

was just a nother tragic

1:31:12

aviation accident. However, the Canadian

1:31:14

Pacific Airlines would conduct a

1:31:16

thorough investigations and that's when

1:31:19

suspicions and began to rise.

1:31:21

First and foremost, the propellers

1:31:23

were completely twisted on the

1:31:25

plane. This suggests that that

1:31:28

they were still spinning when

1:31:30

the plane. Landed. Into

1:31:32

the ground. Yeah, part impacted the

1:31:34

ground which means that the crash

1:31:36

was not the cause of a

1:31:38

mechanical malfunction because it was a

1:31:41

mechanical malfunction or colors would not

1:31:43

have been spinning and even though

1:31:45

the body of the plane had

1:31:47

crumbled like a ten ten, it

1:31:49

was in relatively good condition. Like

1:31:51

good enough condition that they could

1:31:53

leave a few things from at

1:31:55

one section of the plane. where

1:31:57

the cargo would have been stored

1:31:59

was. Wheatley blown to smithereens like

1:32:01

an explosion had occur in. The only

1:32:04

probable cause of an explosion on a

1:32:06

plane like this that they could to

1:32:08

determine would have involved the gas tank.

1:32:10

But the gas tank was still intact

1:32:13

and there are still some fuel left

1:32:15

in the gas tank. so if the

1:32:17

gas tank had have exploded it wouldn't

1:32:20

be there period. And with what you're

1:32:22

certainly would be no fuel because it

1:32:24

all would have burned up in the

1:32:26

sky. Yeah, so at this point they

1:32:29

were like. Clearly something in

1:32:31

the plane something that was put on

1:32:33

the plane had exploded for sure. And

1:32:35

this was also further proven by the

1:32:38

state of the bodies. Because these bodies

1:32:40

were literally like blown to smithereens and

1:32:42

the way in which they were scattered

1:32:44

on the crash sites, it was just

1:32:46

not conducive of a flight that would

1:32:49

have just like plunged to knows first

1:32:51

into the ground. Here they all the

1:32:53

bodies in theory should have been like.

1:32:56

Like thrown to the front of

1:32:58

the planes and but they were

1:33:00

scattered all around. Yeah yeah like

1:33:03

out any we know shit about

1:33:05

physics or plane crashes but it

1:33:07

makes at me either. Yeah so

1:33:09

basically shit was suspicious So when

1:33:12

investigators it began to scan the

1:33:14

records that determined what was on

1:33:16

the plane at the time just

1:33:18

one parcel was checked onto the

1:33:21

plane that did not belong to

1:33:23

anybody on board and of course

1:33:25

we all. Know what that package

1:33:27

was rendered indicated that the package was

1:33:30

from a woman named dealt with Bouchard

1:33:32

who as I said was a real

1:33:34

percent but not the person who created

1:33:36

the package. Me after when the police

1:33:39

obviously the police are now involved reached

1:33:41

out to her. She explained that know

1:33:43

I did not drop off a package

1:33:46

that day I had nothing to do

1:33:48

with this and basically they determined that

1:33:50

her name had been used under false

1:33:53

pretenses. The Aca she's rolling like deep

1:33:55

in our about. It as a exact

1:33:57

yeah yeah, they were just able to

1:34:00

rule out really quick that she had

1:34:02

nothing to do with us. yo! Now

1:34:04

the police wanted to try and track

1:34:06

down the woman who had dropped the

1:34:09

package off, and soon enough, the taxi

1:34:11

driver who drove a Marguerite stepped forward.

1:34:13

He explained that he had driven a

1:34:16

woman to and from the airport that

1:34:18

day to drop off a package and

1:34:20

in cooperation with the police, this taxi

1:34:22

driver was able to lead them back

1:34:25

to Marguerite Place. The police ended up

1:34:27

sitting with the taxi driver for the

1:34:29

rest. Of the day to try and

1:34:31

positively identify Marguerite as the woman who

1:34:33

had taken course he had taken to

1:34:35

the airport. Yeah but at this point

1:34:38

Marguerite was lying pretty low and she

1:34:40

had not been seen going in are

1:34:42

coming out of her apartment. The police

1:34:44

then asked after like hours and hours

1:34:46

of waiting the taxi driver to go

1:34:48

up to the apartment and knock on

1:34:50

the door basically being like hey that

1:34:52

somebody order a taxi I'm here to

1:34:54

pick Uma I just like that means

1:34:56

less. Likely.

1:35:00

Yeah so they said the taxi driver

1:35:02

to go knock on this potential murderous

1:35:04

do our and just ask if she

1:35:06

needed a ride on. But the when

1:35:08

the door was answered Marguerite was not

1:35:10

the one to answer the door. I

1:35:12

guess it was her sister whom this

1:35:14

taxi driver did not recognize or so

1:35:16

again he came back to the police

1:35:19

and is like nope I don't know

1:35:21

that wasn't her. I don't know where

1:35:23

she is that you know. Yeah haven't

1:35:25

seen her and again it's really important

1:35:27

for them to get this I to

1:35:29

identify her as. The woman because at

1:35:31

this point that was the only lead that

1:35:33

they had are Absolutely and they can have

1:35:35

a whole plane full of people dead? Exactly.

1:35:38

Yeah. But the thing is, the police were

1:35:40

pretty certain that Marguerite was the woman living

1:35:42

inside the apartment. They were pretty certain that

1:35:45

she was the person who this taxi driver

1:35:47