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Isolated as a weekly podcast for anybody

2:12

else who was a little bit disappointed

2:14

when they found out that spin Darrelle

2:16

I wasn't actually a giant spider. Oh

2:18

yeah, like I always heard, salt and

2:20

Pepper and spend around on, I was

2:23

expecting. you know, something fine and spooky.

2:25

but now now it's another person boring

2:27

there. We have enough people. all law

2:29

for all. Talk to people will always

2:31

let you down. They'll never be that

2:34

giant spider that you need them to

2:36

blu ray. So there. Is a movie

2:38

that just came out about like a

2:40

giant spider. Cults dame. oh you're right,

2:42

I know nothing about it. I don't

2:44

like I did this come from the

2:46

how about a spider that starts Really

2:48

saw the yeah really basic. Feels like

2:50

it was especially need for you I

2:53

think so it's almost like Clifford Like

2:55

I bet it's a very feel good

2:57

movie. Is Neil Clifford? Oh it's just

2:59

so funny because yeah just a really

3:01

Big Dogs is doing regular dog star

3:03

This is my Clifford for the Edward

3:05

Gorey crowd. Thank you so much! You're

3:07

welcome. To the I see you, I

3:09

know you. I've been with you for

3:12

almost thirty years, noom fitting. See up.

3:14

Ah, but the I'm excited for you

3:16

to see that movie Damage. You know,

3:18

Run quarterback, anything like know? Yeah, and

3:20

anywhere. Speaking of movies, the newsreaders movies

3:23

coming out this weekend. I'm so excited.

3:25

Yeah, I hope it's good. I do

3:27

too. I moved from streaming to the

3:29

theaters. That's usually a good sign. Yeah,

3:31

because that's what happened with Evil Dead,

3:33

Rye or High. Whatever arises. Really, really

3:36

good. A The Children Rise. Up the

3:38

it's Hurting Yourself included. I am

3:40

children. That's right, I am child

3:42

metaphorically so I have a lot

3:44

of hope for the strangers. Chapter

3:46

One: Yeah. Also it's directed by

3:48

Renny Harlin who directed my favorite

3:50

night run else or movie in

3:52

Eminem stream more that breed masters

3:54

in the also do so girls

3:56

now. My to

3:58

sign up Fix up. Coolest. One hundred

4:00

A Nightmare on Elm. Three men

4:03

also did Showgirls. Nobody? I didn't

4:05

think so Really, really know. Renny

4:07

Harlin did die hard than handling

4:09

the biggest movie that he he's

4:12

done, You know why. But I

4:14

don't think Showgirls is what I'm

4:16

thinking about. Paul Verhoeven Who is

4:18

that? Well, he did. so. girls,

4:21

he did start shirt or Starship

4:23

Troopers. Long as you know, Two

4:25

Niner announced he had been around

4:28

for males. you know what's wrong.

4:30

With the yeah because there is

4:32

like now now now now Robocop

4:34

Okay Robocop the what Total number

4:36

of a total recall people up

4:38

to recall against and people off

4:40

base against a her fish to

4:43

like. Military budget on

4:45

a delicious smell. Yes, Oh yeah, it

4:47

was a lovely loss. Showers and he

4:49

has anyone. Enough about that because I

4:52

just get so girl from revisionist history.

4:54

I will love that though. Yeah, we

4:56

have Freddie versus Jason. Now we need

4:59

Freddie versus Know Me? Yeah and you

5:01

know who's gonna win? Know me? how?

5:03

How Yeah Absolutely. His bread is just

5:06

gonna be like. Ishijima.

5:08

Nail sometimes habs the feature in C

5:10

O L A and ensure roundhouse kick

5:12

him in the hair and insulting a

5:14

basket of fries smash him off the

5:16

table hard lined up with the fries.

5:18

That's right Fries on yeah rise in

5:20

the idea Zero raise her nipples and

5:22

it will be over idea it was

5:25

over before that he the guy and

5:27

jam. Anyway hi everyone I show you

5:29

know it on a drag is to

5:31

talk about because we're sitting here talking

5:33

about so girls fan fiction and. Yeah

5:37

place. Speaking of weird fiction and I

5:39

to me I use as I came across

5:42

a piece of fan fiction that I wrote

5:44

twenty. Six

5:46

Consensus. You know it was. It's last.

5:48

Okay, but it will suffer the Texas

5:50

Chainsaw Massacre. How he wasn't a A

5:52

Fi fan fiction Know I was really

5:54

my jam. Now I have friends who

5:57

did that was the jab at all

5:59

my your. I'm I'm networks. Are you

6:01

a new with your friend is yeah,

6:03

but no is Texas' of a. Fan.

6:06

Fiction for the remake be I might I

6:08

add. oh that's to see him. How was

6:10

it. Bad. At math

6:12

through his nine chapters and I left

6:14

it on a cliffhanger. Oh yes, he

6:16

had a narrow and I do it.

6:19

Yes. And the commenter that like First

6:21

of all, Spells, Yes,

6:23

but all about what's gonna happen next

6:25

and I never I never went. Oh

6:27

my god you left the children dying

6:29

or more I'd I'd eminger in the

6:31

than twenty years later it's Lawyers Guild

6:33

Thursday. Well you know a baby. Your

6:35

pointed out there are tons more time

6:37

for the redux. Listen if you can

6:39

find a caterer adulation say it's don't

6:41

dare people people will surprise you know

6:43

they might remember when you make you

6:45

do find it in higher with me

6:47

I will tell you if it's mine.

6:49

yeah I'm not. I'm not going of

6:51

what the lingo. That yeah cut to that

6:54

time somebody send us a holiday card and

6:56

yes we have like Iowa hundred to get

6:58

our homes or of the right Anyway what

7:00

into the server I'll be somewhat for our

7:02

home address and hope you're doing well. yes

7:05

it would give anything else you wanna talk

7:07

about before we get into that because like

7:09

other to pieces of spooky good say okay

7:11

well maybe we should just get into that

7:13

next we I will have Drag Race to

7:16

talk about he has zero it is premiering

7:18

this week that seriously our that would just

7:20

get into the actual topics of the day

7:22

before. Restart boxing ourselves on by yeah

7:24

I as I said, I've got

7:27

two pieces of speech he gave

7:29

bullshit and his first one was

7:31

actually sent in to us by

7:33

both Daryl and Emily's on the

7:35

big our T But for our

7:37

our yeah you know it's beginning

7:39

see when we're getting from multiple

7:41

angles but this is a piece

7:43

of spooky gay bullshit that comes

7:45

out of a Hatfield in Massachusetts

7:47

and Eight unfortunately is kind of

7:49

like as spooky unfortunate happen on

7:51

top of a spooky. Unfortunate had

7:53

because in rather it's a bad

7:56

a turn of luck. I should

7:58

say it's third one year old

8:00

named Daniel to Sharma south Hadley,

8:02

Massachusetts. I was involved in what

8:04

turned out to be a deadly

8:07

crash on Roots and Ninety One

8:09

south of Hatfield recently. aha and

8:11

things only got worse. Reportedly it's

8:13

when a bear was seen as

8:15

a side of the crash and

8:18

it a little. He believes that

8:20

like he crashed his car that

8:22

sucks enough. As it is he

8:24

was probably already dead. But man

8:27

a fair to say. Happened to

8:29

notice said walks. Up in to the

8:31

scene and starts pulling him out of the

8:33

car. Oh my gosh these beers know how

8:36

to operate cards. While I mean they don't

8:38

know how drive on and suffer they can

8:40

on of the doors trying to do that

8:42

shit. they're smart as far. Yeah the mean

8:45

those are the for hims aws death. You

8:47

really want to get either that or city.

8:49

Anyway this happened just like before eleven am

8:51

on a Sunday morning. It was real fucked

8:54

up by do essentially People had noticed his

8:56

car over on the side of the road

8:58

like near the was heavily. Damaged of

9:00

as a guy or Honda Civic

9:02

I do believe grab a bite

9:04

but they believe happened because it

9:06

was no other current Paul's He

9:08

probably lost control for some reason.

9:10

They're non hundred percent sure what

9:12

it was yet, but they are

9:14

pretty sure that he like sheared

9:16

off the road, crashed into nearby

9:18

trees. But then evidence heavily suggested

9:21

that a the bear who was

9:23

found at the scene one first

9:25

responders arrived are likely than intervened

9:27

at some point or a marlboro.

9:29

My gosh, I. know just like left

9:31

a dead guy raz by right like

9:33

i understand you know the fucking food

9:35

chain nature's gonna nature me me society

9:37

yeah naked does not stop i in

9:39

our right nature is metal as fuck

9:42

am i know worst way possible as

9:44

you don't want to be in a

9:46

mosh pit with nature let's just say

9:48

or with a black bear and turns

9:50

out there's like forty five hundred of

9:52

them in massachusetts alone this area of

9:55

allies had filled says he is like

9:57

part of the established rains in massachusetts

9:59

for black bears. So

10:01

I mean just remember your bear safety people.

10:03

I mean they always say like what is

10:05

it? If it's brown, flush it or no,

10:07

lay down and flush it down

10:10

as poop. Yeah, if it's brown, lay

10:12

down. Lay down and if it's black, fight back.

10:14

Yep. And if it's white,

10:16

good night. Yeah. Because you ain't surviving

10:18

shit when you're encountering a polar bear.

10:20

That part. Anyway, back in March, I

10:23

guess residents were already reminded to watch

10:25

out for the bears because they were

10:27

coming out of hibernation looking for food.

10:29

And this is just an example

10:31

of that. I mean, they don't care where

10:33

they get it from. Super

10:37

unfortunate incident, like horrifying,

10:39

horrible, loss of life

10:41

is awful. But you

10:43

can't blame the bear. Well, I know that's

10:45

the thing. I'm not trying to come for

10:47

the bear as wig. Also, that probably wouldn't

10:50

be too wise. No, fuck me up. Yeah.

10:52

But and like, listen, a bear getting that

10:54

lace front delay on a bear head. That'd

10:56

be horrible. That's going to be hard. So

10:58

you don't want to double that work. Yeah,

11:00

it's probably pinned down and then you're just

11:03

like pulling out infrastructure with the wig. It's

11:05

just, it's not nice. Yeah. Don't go ripping

11:07

out wigs unless you know it's just sitting

11:09

there waiting to be ripped off. Right. But

11:11

anyway, a huge thank you to Emily and

11:14

Daryl for sharing that with us. I mean, again,

11:16

I'm not trying to make light of anyone's death

11:18

here because at the end of the day, like

11:20

there is a 31 year old who's passed away.

11:22

So rest in power to Daniel Ducharme and our

11:24

hearts, you know, go out to their family, of

11:27

course. But just like what

11:29

an unfortunate set of circumstances on

11:31

top of an already unfortunate set

11:33

of circumstances. Absolutely. It's some final

11:35

destination shit. Right. Anyway,

11:37

again, thank you, Emily and Daryl,

11:39

or should I say Beryl?

11:42

Beryl. Beryl.

11:45

M-A-B-Beryl. Did you

11:47

type it with those big fuzzy claws

11:49

of yours? Anyway, okay. Were you the

11:51

bear, Daryl? That's what I'm getting at.

11:53

Thank you. Thank you for unpacking that.

11:55

Anyway, I've got another piece of spooky

11:57

gay bullshit to share real quick. Yeah,

12:00

this one is a little bit more light-hearted at

12:03

its core. It's also Canadian.

12:05

All right Yeah, I

12:07

gotta love that. This one's from the coast

12:09

though. This is from out in Newfoundland Oh

12:12

the East East co and like the

12:14

East Coast of Newfoundland to like from

12:16

st. John's so I am we're out

12:18

there That's the closest piece of land

12:20

to the Titanic wreck get into it.

12:23

You were right about that one, huh?

12:25

Anyway, nobody was thinking about the

12:28

Titanic recently when the man was

12:30

arrested in st. John's for attacking

12:32

police with block of cheese Yeah,

12:36

like a big block or a little block

12:39

is blocks of cheese come in various sizes,

12:41

you know Unfortunately, we're not so much aware

12:43

of the size of the block or the

12:45

make of the cheese yet Okay, and speak

12:47

to its density But

12:49

recently the Royal Newfoundland constabulary,

12:51

which is the police in

12:53

Newfoundland they put out a

12:56

media release explaining this incident

12:58

that essentially took place

13:00

when they were already responding to

13:03

Disturbance out of residence in central

13:05

st. John's right But

13:07

anyway, they rolled up and according to

13:09

them there was a very irate male

13:12

wielding a block of cheese Okay, and

13:14

he continued to assault the officers with

13:16

said cheese And then they arrested him

13:18

charging him with assault assaulting a police

13:21

officer and breach of probation So

13:23

it didn't really turn out too well for

13:25

him. Yeah, and we should add an extra

13:27

charge on there Wasting cheese, right just a

13:29

dickhead move right try that in an Olive

13:31

Garden. See if you walk out with all

13:33

your teeth you do Remember

13:36

an Olive Garden. I just like to think that they will

13:38

defend the cheese with their lives there You know what I

13:40

mean? Well fun fact about Olive Garden at about like 4

13:43

p.m Every time just to

13:45

try to get like people in early Like

13:49

supper to like, you know kind of extend the

13:51

supper time. Yeah, they have cheese fights. I Know

13:55

you're lying. I am like I know you are gonna

13:57

hold on to that. Yeah Okay.

14:00

Yeah. Choose your weapon, Johnny.

14:02

Yeah. What kind of cheese

14:04

are you using? Oh, Parmesan probably. It's making

14:07

it hard. Okay. You know what I mean?

14:09

Like, you can like take off little shards.

14:11

Yeah. Throw them. Maybe you can

14:14

get the powder kind and do the like

14:16

sand in the face blinding technique. Oh, I

14:18

could definitely do that. Like a Sonya blade

14:20

kiss of death. Yeah. I love that. Mm-hmm.

14:22

I could also do like a big hot

14:24

baked brie. Yeah. Scaldum with

14:26

it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm something like that. How

14:28

about you? I think I would go for

14:31

like, let's see, everybody would expect you to

14:33

go for like the hard cheese. Mm-hmm. I'm

14:35

going to go for the stinky cheese. Yeah.

14:38

The ash covered cheese. Mm-hmm. That cheese that

14:40

wins awards. Oh, wow. And you're like, why

14:42

is the cheese winning any awards? This thing

14:44

is abomination and you can be buried. Yeah.

14:47

And actually it should be divided into like

14:49

multiple pieces and then buried at different aspects,

14:51

like all across the world. Yeah. So that

14:53

it has no chance of reforming. Exactly. I

14:56

would go for that kind of cheese. I

14:58

love that for you. I would also like

15:01

to say slices as a suggestion. Oh, yeah.

15:03

Because then you just have like a

15:05

barrage of little like throwing stars. Like

15:07

little ninjis stars. Yeah. I like that.

15:09

OK. Listen. So when the apocalypse comes,

15:11

everybody grab the cheese. Grab the cheese.

15:13

Cheese is going to save us all.

15:15

That's what you got to do. And

15:17

if you're really thinking to also grab

15:19

some milk down the line. You

15:22

can make your cheese. Exactly. Make your own

15:24

cheese. Grab a cow. Yeah. Anyway. You know

15:26

what, though? Like a wheel of cheese. Yeah.

15:28

Remember, there is that guy that died because

15:30

a wheel of cheese fell on in a

15:32

factory. Right. Really? Cheese could do some damage.

15:35

Cheese has taken lives. I mean, girl, cheese will

15:37

take you down from the inside. It will take

15:39

you down from the outside. It will get you

15:41

from all angles. Right. I do want to go

15:43

to one of those places over. They make the

15:45

pass in big block of cheese that they heat

15:47

up. Oh, my God. Yeah. What do you mean?

15:49

What do you mean? Where the plate is where

15:51

they just like melt the cheese or scoop it

15:53

out of the wheel onto your plate. All the

15:55

viral cheese things, please. Yeah. In my mouth. Anyway,

15:58

I digress. unfortunate to

16:01

hear of the cheese assault hopefully

16:03

everybody has made it out and

16:05

that nobody involved was lactose intolerant

16:07

Yes, thoughts and prayers Anyway,

16:11

that's the news from Newfoundland. Thank you to

16:13

my source. It was on CTV news It

16:15

was irate mail assaulted and Newfoundland officers with

16:17

a block of cheese police say published by

16:19

the Canadian press on May 10th

16:21

of 2024 Oh and thank you

16:23

to my other source CBS News

16:26

for bear dragged crash victims body from

16:28

car in woods off Massachusetts Highway

16:31

police say That's

16:34

so misleading. Yeah, it makes

16:36

it sound like they pulled it from the

16:38

road into the highway No,

16:41

yeah, dang article opportunist situation Yeah,

16:43

anyway, this was written by Neil

16:45

Riley and published on May 8th

16:48

of 2024 Well

16:51

cheesy wheezy babies. I know Spooky

16:54

gay bullshit. Absolutely cheesy. We

16:56

easy. I Don't

16:59

know, you know, you never said that before. Yeah walk into

17:01

a room and go Cheesy

17:03

wheezy. You never had a hard day at work. You

17:05

come home plop down the couch go cheesy

17:07

wheezy No, but I'm going to from

17:10

now on that's also my new stand-in

17:12

for a man. Yeah, it works in

17:14

many different contexts wheezy Alright

17:17

now let the church say cheesy wheezy. Shall

17:19

we move on cheesy wheezy? Thank you Do

17:21

you have any housekeeping or oopsie poopsies that

17:23

you want to at home for before we

17:26

really get into it? Not on tonight Shit,

17:29

he's perfect. She's beautiful. She looks like Linda

17:31

evangelize. Oh Look at you.

17:33

Okay. Well, I mean, I guess I'm the same.

17:35

All right, so I can't get too mad Although

17:38

I remind you to everybody that the pride merch

17:40

where we will be Fundraising for Rainbow Railroad will

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be dropping at any time. It may be available

17:44

at when you're listening to this, you don't know

17:47

Yeah, yeah it will sneak attack you Block

17:50

of cheese coming out of a vocabulary

17:52

officer like cheese in the night, right?

17:54

Yeah. Anyway, sorry Hopefully they don't have

17:57

PTSD over this I'm

18:03

loving this. Can we just do cheese

18:05

puns for the rest of the episode?

18:07

We probably could. We have two prepared

18:09

topics but like whatever. Yeah.

18:12

Let's talk about cheese. No, I think we

18:14

get old quick. Yeah,

18:16

maybe. But anyway. But you

18:18

know what? Cheese, the older it is, the

18:21

more flavor. So,

18:23

anyway. Yeah, it is getting kind of old, isn't it?

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be kicking us off this week, right? I am going

20:28

to be kicking us off this week. Beautiful. And

20:31

honestly, the cheese chuckles were welcome to delight

20:33

because I've got nothing good to talk about

20:35

on tonight. Like, mm-hmm. Okay.

20:37

I'm going to be talking about a true crime

20:40

story. And for this,

20:42

we're going to be traveling to

20:44

Germany to discuss a case that's

20:46

been called the most spectacular case

20:49

of vigilante justice in German post-war

20:51

history. Oh, shit. Yeah. That's

20:53

a mouthful. It is a

20:56

mouthful. So today, I'm going to

20:58

be talking about the revenge of

21:00

Marianne Backmeyer. Okay. And

21:02

a fair warning before we get

21:04

into this story, we will be

21:06

discussing child abuse and sexual assault

21:09

throughout today's topic. So you might

21:11

want to skip this one if

21:13

that's something you don't want to

21:15

hear about. Yeah, totally. Also,

21:17

if you're warning before we get

21:19

into this story, we will be

21:21

discussing child abuse and sexual assault

21:23

throughout today's topic. So you might want

21:25

to skip this one if that's something you

21:28

don't want to hear about. Yeah, totally. Also,

21:30

if your blood pressure is particularly high today,

21:32

you might want to put this one on

21:34

pause because this one's going to make you

21:36

mad. Okay. Do

21:38

we know this? However, if you do have some unchecked

21:40

anger and you need somewhere to put it, consider putting

21:42

it here. Break out your stress balls. Yes. Now,

21:45

Marianne Backmeyer was born on

21:48

June 3rd, 1950, and she

21:50

grew up in Sarsstid, Germany.

21:53

Prior to Marianne's Birth, her

21:55

parents had been living in East

21:57

Prussia but fled to Sarsstid. After

22:00

World War a sari saris

22:02

dead after World War two

22:04

acre And that wasn't for

22:06

no good reason because unfortunately

22:09

her father. Was. A

22:11

piece of shit to her. Father

22:13

was a Nazi far who fought

22:15

in World War Two. Goddamn yes.

22:18

he was a member of the

22:20

Waffen Ss, which is a combat

22:22

branch of the Nazi party. Know

22:24

he was doing nothing good comes

22:27

the end of the war. Apparently

22:29

Marion's father truly believed that Hitler

22:31

was still alive really and then

22:34

would soon. the reemerged so he

22:36

was expecting things. Just like get

22:38

going again. Yeah, thankfully they. Did

22:41

and he said he, they're going

22:43

to go into the cave after

22:45

three days. Yeah, there been a

22:47

move that stone and he's gonna

22:49

be braver than garage. Yeah, so

22:51

big old piece of shit. and

22:54

unfortunately this is the person who

22:56

at Marianne had to call father.

22:58

They yeah, no postwar. Marion's father

23:00

did turn to drinking and after

23:02

Marianne was born, he spent most

23:05

of his time at the bar.

23:07

He just wasn't very present and

23:09

that's probably for. A good thing

23:11

because when he was present he

23:14

tended to be very abusive toward

23:16

Marianne and her mother. He was

23:18

super controlling and then at some

23:20

point Marion's mother just had had

23:23

enough and she filed for divorce

23:25

and she got that to for.

23:27

however. yes he did get into

23:29

it. Now at Marion's mother did

23:32

remarry after divorcing her father, but

23:34

unfortunately this man was also a

23:36

piece of shit. He was an

23:38

abusive alcoholic man. So at Marianne.

23:41

that didn't really have much more of

23:43

a stable childhood with the new on

23:45

on quote father figure in her life

23:47

yeah for say back to see just

23:49

did not like him so she refused

23:51

to acknowledge him as her stepfather is

23:54

i think she called him on coal

23:56

in like that he wanted to be

23:58

in control his the matter that

24:00

kind of thing. And unfortunately this

24:02

did put a strain between Marianne

24:05

and her mother. Her mother ended

24:07

up taking her new

24:09

husband's side and by the time Marianne

24:11

was 16 in 1966

24:15

she was kicked out of the house.

24:17

Oh shit. Yeah. Now that same year

24:19

she was 16 years old, she became

24:21

a mother. She gave birth to her

24:23

first child, but she really wasn't ready

24:25

to be a mother at that point

24:27

in time. So after giving birth to

24:30

this child, she did put the baby

24:32

up for adoption. And no shame in

24:34

that, you know? People

24:36

look down on that a lot in society,

24:38

but honestly that is a very selfless thing

24:41

to do. If you don't feel like you're in

24:43

a position to raise a child, then

24:45

you're only doing good by the child. Like you're

24:48

doing what you believe is best and no one

24:50

should shame you for that, you know? No, absolutely.

24:52

I've got people in my family who have had

24:54

to make that decision. Right. There's not one that's

24:56

made lightly. No, absolutely not.

24:59

And especially at this time, 1966,

25:01

you know, you're an unwed teenage mother.

25:03

And that's when they had to make

25:05

those decisions back when they had homes

25:07

for unwed mothers. Exactly. Yeah.

25:09

Now a few years after giving

25:11

birth to her first child, Marianne

25:14

became pregnant again at the age of 18 or

25:16

19. And this was with

25:20

a boy who she was in

25:22

a relationship with. Now Marianne was

25:24

planning to keep this child. However,

25:26

while she was pregnant, something really

25:28

horrible happened. She was raped. I'm

25:31

not sure by who, but this

25:33

traumatic experience of the trauma that

25:36

she received or had

25:38

to deal with after this traumatic experience

25:40

just made her feel completely violated because

25:43

she was. Yeah. And therefore she just

25:45

felt like she couldn't be

25:47

a mother in this situation. Yeah.

25:49

So after she gave birth to

25:52

her second child, she also chose

25:54

to give that baby up for

25:56

adoption. And shortly thereafter, this relationship

25:58

that she had, didn't dissolve.

26:02

Now by the time she was 22 years

26:04

old, Marianne had found some stability.

26:06

She was working at a pub

26:09

called Tipasa and

26:11

while working there she started casually

26:13

dating the manager and not long

26:15

after that, Marianne became pregnant again

26:17

with her third child. But this

26:19

time, Marianne wanted to keep her

26:21

baby. She was just like, this

26:23

is my third child and I'm

26:26

22 years old, I'm working, I'm

26:28

feeling a bit more like centered

26:30

in the house of me and

26:32

I want to raise this kid.

26:34

The thing is her boyfriend slash

26:36

manager didn't want to have a

26:39

kid, didn't want to start a

26:41

family and so Marianne decided that

26:43

okay, whatever, you're gone, I'm

26:45

gonna raise this kid on my own and I'm

26:47

gonna just be a single mother and I'm just

26:50

gonna do this. Sure. Now Marianne

26:52

gave birth to a baby girl on November

26:54

14th, 1972 and named her Anna. Now being

26:56

just 22 years old, Marianne wasn't quite

27:01

prepared for what motherhood would require. She felt

27:03

like she was, you know, feeling like you

27:06

are and then actually having to do it

27:08

a few different things. Absolutely. You know, like

27:10

I feel like I can wake up early

27:12

tomorrow and get a kickstart on my day

27:14

but then I end up waking up at

27:16

11. Yeah and then it's 10 times more

27:18

the commitment and intensity. Exactly. Because you know

27:20

it's another human life. Exactly. Exactly. And

27:23

not to equate sleeping in. No, no,

27:25

no. I didn't think you were but

27:27

yeah, I'm just saying like yeah that

27:29

time's like a hundred. Exactly. Because here

27:31

she was, she was a single mother.

27:33

Yes, she did have full-time work. It

27:35

wasn't high-paying work but she did need

27:37

to care for this child. They were

27:39

her responsibilities. So as a result, Marianne

27:41

was working a lot. Yeah. But she

27:44

couldn't necessarily hire a babysitter

27:46

or wanted to try and cut some

27:48

costs. I'm not entirely sure the thought

27:50

process here but Marianne would

27:52

often bring Anna to work with

27:55

her And this would go

27:57

on for much of Anna's childhood. So

27:59

Basically, why not?? While Marianne was working

28:01

behind the bar and I would usually

28:04

just be sleeping or hanging out underneath

28:06

it's next to her mother and now

28:08

Marianne also apparently never really rushed home

28:11

after her shifts, so even when she

28:13

was done working, she would stay at

28:15

the bar for a little while and

28:17

then and I would be forced to

28:20

also just be hanging out at the

28:22

bar. which is not a great environment

28:24

for a kid. Know honestly, bars on

28:26

crit environment for anybody. nine hundred and

28:29

eleven? the now. Fan know, but

28:31

definitely not the place where you

28:33

know a kid is necessarily going

28:35

types of thrive now. Now.

28:37

Marion's priorities were.

28:40

A bit out of whack to say the

28:42

least. common than the some kind of the

28:45

regular dealer way of operating and at a

28:47

certain point I guess I'm Marianne Did kind

28:49

of recognize this and questioned if. She.

28:52

Was going to me. Beak Is Anna up

28:54

for adoption? Okay, she's just like, you know

28:56

what? I'm struggling. This is hard. Maybe I

28:58

do need to. You know, Provide.

29:00

More for this child. Totally. The problem

29:03

is at this point Marianne had already

29:05

had her tubes tied. She basically decided

29:07

that after the third child, she didn't

29:09

want to have any more babies, just

29:11

want to have one kid young. So

29:14

the idea of putting Anna up for

29:16

adoption of the not ever being able

29:18

to conceive again was something that. She.

29:21

Was really struggling with him. so

29:23

in the and she decided that

29:26

she was going to keep custody

29:28

of Anna and was just going

29:30

to try to raise her correctly.

29:32

But truth be told, Marianne was

29:35

ill equipped in the nurturing department.

29:37

According to some friends, Marianne often

29:39

treated Anna like an adult and

29:42

expected her to take care of

29:44

herself in many ways. For example,

29:46

by the age of seven, Anna

29:49

was already used to getting herself.

29:51

up and ready for school every

29:53

single day of her to address

29:55

herself she would eat breakfast maybe

29:58

as and should be out door

30:00

before Marianne was even awake.

30:03

And a lot of this was because Marianne worked

30:05

at a bar, so she'd be working very late,

30:07

so she would be sleeping in in the morning.

30:10

But the point is, she would never see her

30:12

daughter off to school. And usually,

30:14

the first time they would see each other

30:16

would be after school when Anna came home.

30:19

And then shortly after that, Anna would usually

30:22

join Marianne for her shift at the pub.

30:25

Now, even though Anna never really

30:27

had a quote-unquote normal childhood, she

30:30

was still very happy-go-lucky. Apparently,

30:32

she maintained a very sweet

30:34

and vibrant personality and had

30:37

this naivete that you

30:40

could really only expect from a child. But

30:43

then, and this is where it gets really dark,

30:45

on May 5th, 1980, everything changed. Marianne

30:50

was 29 years old at the

30:52

time, and she and Anna, who

30:54

was 7, had just had an

30:56

argument the night before. Not entirely

30:58

sure about what, but they

31:00

had a fight. And like always,

31:03

Anna was expected to get herself

31:05

to school while her mother slept.

31:07

But feeling slighted from their argument,

31:10

Anna decided that she wasn't going

31:12

to go to school that day.

31:15

Instead, Anna decided that she was going

31:18

to go to a friend's house instead.

31:21

However, that friend, who was

31:23

probably in school, wasn't home

31:25

when Anna arrived. And

31:27

so, with nowhere to go, Anna didn't want to

31:29

go back home because her mother was there, she

31:32

began to wander the neighborhood in

31:34

order to avoid her mother. That

31:38

day, Marianne had an afternoon photo

31:40

shoot with a local newspaper about

31:42

a custom-painted Volkswagen that she owned.

31:46

And by the time Anna was expected

31:48

to return home from school, Marianne was

31:50

still not at home. She

31:52

was doing this photo shoot with the

31:55

newspaper. But Eventually, she

31:57

did get home, and there was

31:59

no sign of Anna. Now I

32:01

first Marianne wasn't worried, but by

32:03

nightfall she was very worried Totally

32:05

after the glow of being a

32:07

car model A my actually goes

32:09

away. Yeah exactly. It's that like

32:11

white mom and yeah, but I'm

32:13

but it's not even that my

32:15

post whitesnake depression. that one experience

32:17

and yeah, doesn't like some legitimate

32:19

says the age of this is

32:21

some was in reality worth my

32:23

mercenary exactly. But again, like the

32:25

Anna had this very like was

32:27

given a lot of independence or

32:29

so Marianne. Was just like you know she'll

32:31

be home but she didn't show up. And

32:34

by nightfall she called the police

32:36

and report it, her daughter missing.

32:38

Okay, now Marion's worst fear would

32:40

come true when a short while

32:42

later, a woman came into the

32:44

police station to file a report.

32:47

According to this woman, her fiance

32:49

a man named Clause Grabowski had

32:51

confided in her and confessed to

32:54

killing a young child earlier that

32:56

day of fuck I mean think

32:58

you for telling us to of

33:00

far right's yeah Also since one

33:02

of my the police know I

33:05

got out alive strike that the

33:07

record near universal playing exactly But

33:09

I digress. but yeah that's hardcore.

33:11

A woman I've been says my

33:13

fiance confessed to me earlier tonight

33:16

that he had murder. Trial today.

33:18

Know the man new the girl,

33:20

some cut the clock about scaring

33:22

the man at because they were

33:25

neighbors and the child's name. Was.

33:28

Anna. Bachmann. All know

33:30

clause Grabowski was. Already.

33:33

known by the police he was

33:35

a convicted sex offender and care

33:38

and so shortly after his fiance

33:40

father reports he was taken in

33:42

for questioning by the police and

33:45

during an interview he gave a

33:47

full confession and told the police

33:49

were to find an as body

33:51

in shortly after that and his

33:54

body was recovered she was found

33:56

buried in a cardboard box by

33:58

a river bed Fuck.

34:00

Yes. I can't even

34:03

begin to imagine the guilt that

34:05

Marianne must have felt when the

34:07

police told her that her daughter had

34:09

been murdered by their neighbor because

34:12

that is inconceivable. Oh

34:14

yeah, absolutely. However, this guilt

34:16

would quickly turn to rage

34:19

as she began to learn

34:21

more details about the case.

34:23

So, Claude Grabowski was a 35-year-old

34:26

man who worked as a local

34:28

butcher. And like I said,

34:30

he was already a convicted sex offender

34:32

with a criminal record involving child molestation.

34:35

In 1976, so this would

34:37

have been four years prior, caused

34:40

volunteers to undergo chemical castration in

34:42

exchange for an early release from

34:44

prison. I guess this was

34:47

something that they did. They thought that,

34:49

like, you know, sterilizing someone will curb

34:51

their, you know, their... The

34:54

libido or whatever. Yeah, exactly. But it's like,

34:56

well, you're still a piece of shit. You

34:58

just can't get it up. Exactly.

35:01

So anyway, he underwent this chemical

35:03

castration. He got out of jail

35:06

early. And the hope would be that this

35:08

would allow Claude to stay on the right

35:10

side of the law. However, years later, he

35:12

would be given a course of hormone treatments

35:15

that would reverse the effects of the chemical

35:17

castration he received in 1976. You can do

35:19

that? I guess so. The fuck? I

35:22

don't know. I'm not a doctor, and this

35:24

is also, you know, in the 1970s, so I don't even

35:26

know if this would be, like, common practice. But

35:29

basically, he got things reversed,

35:31

and he got his libido

35:33

back. Now years after

35:35

that, in 1980, he

35:38

would murder seven-year-old Anna Bockmeyer.

35:40

Yeah. Now, leading up

35:42

to his trial, investigators learned that Claude

35:44

Grabowski had lured Anna into his home

35:47

to play with his kittens. Oh, fuck

35:49

yeah. He saw her walking around, and

35:51

he took advantage of that fact that

35:54

she was alone. He invited her in.

35:56

He was probably a familiar face, though she didn't really

35:59

think anything. of it and again she was trying to

36:01

avoid home because she had been in she was skipping

36:03

school and she had enough fight with her mother so

36:06

there are a lot of circumstances that would have led

36:08

to this but this guy being a

36:10

fucking predator took advantage of it now

36:13

once Anna was inside Claus kept

36:15

her at his home for hours

36:17

and eventually he ended up strangling

36:19

her with a set of his

36:21

fiancees pantyhose. What the fuck? She

36:23

was seven years old. I

36:25

know. It's highly suspected that

36:28

Claus sexually assaulted her but

36:30

I'm not sure if that was ever

36:32

proven. Claus maintained however

36:34

when he was being interviewed and

36:37

interrogated that he didn't sexually assault

36:39

her. He claims he only strangled...

36:41

Hey, sorry. Yeah. This

36:44

is gonna piss you off. Okay. He

36:46

claimed he only strangled Anna because she

36:48

had threatened him.

36:52

According to Claus, Anna

36:54

had tried to seduce him. He

36:58

didn't try... Yeah. Yeah. The seven-year-old

37:00

tried to seduce him. Yeah. Claus

37:02

also claimed that Anna tried to

37:04

extort him by threatening to tell

37:07

her mother that he had molested

37:09

her if he didn't give her

37:11

money. What

37:15

seven-year-old would ever

37:18

even understand that concept. What

37:20

a lying piece of shit.

37:23

Right? I... I don't

37:26

even have any words. You

37:28

literally are... What the fuck?

37:30

It's shocking. Yeah. The bullshit

37:32

that this guy spewed. Yeah.

37:34

Like... Right? I know

37:36

seven-year-olds are smarter than people give them

37:38

credit for but they're not doing all

37:40

that. No. Like let's be real. Girl!

37:42

Oh my god. Yeah. Like I... Sorry. I

37:44

can't even wrap my mind around that. Yeah. Me either. And

37:46

neither could Mary-Anne because

37:49

when she learned what Claus was

37:51

suggesting her daughter did, she

37:53

was fucking livid. And hell hath

37:55

no fury like a grieving mother

37:58

scorned. Right. That's the fucking

38:00

tea. Oh my god if I were in

38:02

her position I'd be like give me those

38:04

claws that you use on pulled pork and

38:06

love me Adam for fighting. Shred em honey.

38:10

Well one year later on March

38:12

4th 1981

38:14

the claws Grabowski's murder trial began

38:17

in Lubbock. Okay. Now during the

38:19

first two days of the trial

38:21

the defense lawyer argued that claws

38:23

Grabowski's crime was due to a

38:26

hormonal imbalance caused by the hormone

38:28

therapy he had undergone after

38:30

his voluntary castration years earlier.

38:34

So now they're trying to blame

38:36

the doctors for his behavior. Yeah.

38:38

Now on the third day They're

38:40

trying to medically be he's hysterical, right? It's

38:42

right. Yeah, if he had a uterus It

38:44

would probably be floating all around his body.

38:46

Trying to escape, trying to jump out of

38:48

his mouth. Yeah, trying to jump out Yeah,

38:51

no wonder he's killing children, right? Yeah, that

38:53

explains it. Yeah, of course. This guy's not

38:55

guilty of anything. No, he's a victim He's

38:57

just guilty of being a man. Yeah, right?

39:00

Anyway on the third day March

39:02

6th 1981 yeah,

39:04

this was going to be claws's moment to

39:07

defend himself before the court So he he

39:09

was silent for the first two days the

39:11

lawyers spoke for him But now it was

39:13

gonna be his moment to speak up for

39:15

himself. Great. Have fun with that. But Marianne

39:18

completely Frustrated with the lies that were

39:21

being told Decided that she

39:23

was gonna take matters into her own

39:25

hands and this motherfucker wasn't going to

39:27

utter a word And so

39:29

on the third day of trial

39:31

Marianne entered the courts concealing

39:33

a loaded 22 caliber Beretta

39:35

pistol and eventually Claus

39:38

Grabowski stood to speak and when he

39:40

did Marianne took out the

39:42

gun aimed at and claws and began

39:44

to shoot fired

39:47

eight shots Six of

39:49

which hit claws Grabowski in the back

39:51

and before he could say a word

39:54

Claus Grabowski fell to the floor and

39:56

died in the court and then

39:58

she turns and says questions.

40:00

Right. Yeah. Any

40:02

further retort? Yep. Now,

40:05

obviously, Marianne was detained. Yeah.

40:07

But she made no attempt

40:09

to escape. She made no

40:11

attempt to resist arrest. Instead,

40:13

as she was being detained

40:16

by the police, she remarked, quote, He

40:18

killed my daughter. I wanted to shoot

40:20

him in the face. Unfortunately, I only

40:22

got the pig from behind. I hope

40:25

he is dead. Oh, I

40:27

hope you got his face a little bit, though. Not

40:29

to be like an eye for an eye kind

40:31

of gal. Yeah. Yeah.

40:34

Yeah. I think we all

40:36

have a pretty hard time feeling bad for

40:38

this motherfucker. Don't we? I like in my

40:40

fantasy world, she was going to like put

40:42

poison in his drink, and then he literally

40:44

wouldn't have a voice. Yeah. But I mean,

40:46

you express yourself in the way you see

40:48

fit. Right. As long as you're not hurting

40:50

anyone. It's usually what I say. But in

40:52

this case, you know what? I think I

40:54

don't know. I feel she was justified. Yeah.

40:56

But let's see what everybody else thinks. Let's

40:58

see. Now, when news got out, Marianne

41:02

became instantly infamous.

41:04

Absolutely. Half the

41:06

German population were appalled by her

41:08

actions and completely shocked, grasping their

41:10

pearls. Okay. While the other half

41:12

stood in solidarity, just basically clapping

41:14

good for her. Yeah. Believing that

41:16

if they were in her shoes,

41:18

they would have done the exact

41:20

same thing. Now,

41:22

Marianne Bachmeier's courtroom vigilante

41:24

assassination presented not only

41:26

like this moralistic dilemma

41:28

in Germany, but also

41:30

a legal one because how

41:33

should she be charged for this?

41:35

It was a crime. She did

41:37

murder somebody, but what

41:40

kind of punishment should she receive? Can we

41:42

just say it was self-defense? Right. Well, here's

41:44

the thing. There were two charges

41:47

that were kind of being weighed.

41:49

The first one was premeditated murder.

41:51

She came into that courtroom specifically

41:53

to do what had happened, but

41:55

the other was manslaughter, which would

41:57

have much less implications. Yeah,

42:00

so these were the two charges that

42:03

were she was kind of facing

42:06

But it would be another year and

42:08

a half before anyone would know the

42:10

outcome now prior to

42:12

her trial Marianne did sell

42:14

her story to a magazine called

42:16

Stern magazine for roughly 158

42:20

thousand dollars. Okay, and that money

42:22

was basically used to cover her

42:24

legal expenses During and leading

42:26

up to the trial Stern

42:29

magazine did begin to run a

42:31

series of articles about the trial They

42:33

were digging into Marianne's life as a

42:35

working single mother who had a very

42:38

rough start in life as we heard

42:40

Yeah, her father was a fucking Nazi.

42:42

Yeah, I mean if this is Germany

42:44

in the 1970s I'm sure

42:46

a lot of people's fathers were Nazis, but either

42:49

way that's fucking rough man. Absolutely You know you

42:51

want to talk about like generational trauma? Just

42:53

imagine if that was your

42:56

father your mother your anybody right? It's

42:58

rough. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, now

43:00

the magazine did receive a ton

43:02

of responses from readers again People

43:05

were really fascinated and morbidly in

43:07

trial though, which began in the

43:09

fall of 1982 now

43:13

during her trial Marianne's lawyers

43:15

argued that clauses death was

43:17

not premeditated and that Marianne

43:19

had been carrying the gun

43:21

for self-defense as She

43:23

was like a very high-profile person at this

43:25

point in time in a very big case

43:28

Yeah, totally now Marianne herself testified that

43:30

on the day of the murder She

43:33

thought that she had shot Claus Grabowski

43:35

in a dream and saw visions of

43:37

her daughter in the courtroom at the

43:39

time So basically using this like

43:42

basically claiming that she wasn't in her right

43:45

Frame of mind. Yeah, I

43:47

getcha now This

43:49

of course was to suggest that her

43:51

actions were that of an emotionally distraught

43:54

and confused grieving mother Just completely overwhelmed

43:56

by the lies that were being told

43:58

by her daughter murder

44:00

and his lawyers. Mary

44:03

Ann also told the courts quote,

44:05

I heard he wanted to make

44:07

a statement and I thought now

44:09

comes the next lie about this

44:11

victim who was my child. Yeah, and

44:13

quote. Now a doctor who examined her

44:15

said that Mary Ann was asked

44:17

for a handwriting sample and in response

44:20

to providing this handwriting sample she

44:22

wrote, I did it for you Anna

44:24

with seven hearts, one for each

44:26

year that she was alive. Now

44:29

psychologists also looked into Mary

44:31

Ann's past and suggested that

44:34

her traumatic childhood and her

44:36

unhappy relationships made her emotionally

44:38

unstable and a quote unquote

44:40

easy target for men and

44:42

predators. They also

44:45

determined that Anna became the only

44:47

constant in Mary Ann's life and

44:49

right or wrong, the reason why

44:51

Mary Ann treated Anna more like

44:53

an adult than a child was

44:55

because Mary Ann saw her as

44:57

a friend and a confidant. Yeah,

44:59

you know, so it was more

45:01

than just a mother-daughter relationship. She

45:03

was putting a lot of her

45:05

own stuff into

45:08

this relationship with her child.

45:10

Yeah. Now in her defense,

45:12

Mary Ann's lawyers also alleged

45:14

that those who authorized Claus's

45:17

hormonal treatment should also bear

45:19

some of the blame for

45:21

Anna's death, basically trying to

45:24

further exemplify that like Anna,

45:26

Mary Ann was also a

45:28

victim to a failing justice

45:30

system, which would in turn

45:33

further contextualize Mary Ann's jump

45:35

to vigilante justice. Basically, based

45:38

on the evidence presented, the

45:40

prosecution did downgrade the charge

45:42

from murder to manslaughter, and

45:45

they recommended an eight-year prison sentence

45:47

for Mary Ann. Now

45:49

on March 1983, when all

45:51

was said and done, Mary

45:53

Ann was convicted of manslaughter

45:56

and was sentenced to six

45:58

years in prison. In

46:00

a poll by the Almsbach

46:03

Institute, 28% of Germans felt

46:05

that the six-year sentence was

46:07

appropriate. 27

46:09

thought that it was too harsh and 25 believed

46:12

that it was too lenient. That's

46:15

a pretty even divide all across the

46:17

board. Now although

46:19

Marianne was sentenced to six years in

46:21

prison, she ended up serving

46:24

just three years behind bars and

46:26

was released in June of 1985

46:29

at the age of 35. Okay.

46:32

After her release, she ended up moving

46:34

to Nigeria away from the court of

46:36

public opinion. She was just like fuck

46:38

this shit, I'm out. Don't blame me

46:40

there. Yeah, and there in Nigeria she

46:42

ended up getting married, but this marriage

46:44

would only last for a few years.

46:46

And so after she was divorced in

46:49

the 1990s, Marianne moved

46:51

to Sicily and she stayed there

46:53

until she was diagnosed with pancreatic

46:55

cancer, which is when she

46:58

returned to Germany. Yeah. Now Marianne's health

47:00

began to decline rapidly after that and

47:02

knowing that she was nearing the end

47:04

of her life, she began

47:06

to speak more publicly about

47:08

her past and apparently she

47:11

confessed that she had deliberately

47:13

shot Klaus Grabowski that day

47:15

in the courtroom. She

47:17

was basically like nah, it wasn't manslaughter. She

47:20

said, he had it coming. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

47:25

It was a whole production. Yeah.

47:28

But basically she was like nah,

47:30

honey, that wasn't manslaughter. I wanted

47:32

that motherfucker dead. She said I

47:34

did that. Yeah. She basically said

47:36

that with like the little faith

47:38

that she had in the justice

47:40

system and with how Germany dealt

47:42

with sex offenders, she wanted to

47:44

ensure that justice was served and

47:46

she wanted to prevent him from

47:48

lying about her daughter in court. Now

47:52

this notion that Klaus's murder

47:54

was premeditated and was not

47:56

manslaughter was more or less

47:58

confirmed by an anonymous source. close to

48:00

Marianne who claimed that Marianne would practice

48:02

shooting her pistol after hours in the

48:05

cellar of the bar where she worked.

48:07

Oh shit. Yeah, so she was taking

48:09

herself to target practice. Yeah. Yeah.

48:13

Dang. Now, after her

48:15

deathbed confession, Marianne Bockmeyer did die

48:17

on September 7th, 1996 at the

48:20

age of 46, so she was still very, very

48:22

young. Damn, yeah. And

48:24

she was buried next to her

48:26

daughter, Anna, and they share a

48:28

tombstone. Yeah. But

48:31

with that, there's not much more

48:33

to say. This story is pretty

48:35

infamous in Germany. There are

48:37

even, I think in the 1980s, there were

48:39

at least a couple TV movies made. I

48:41

would hope so. Yeah. If

48:43

you research this in your own time,

48:46

there is like a clip of the

48:48

shooting from the movie that gets passed

48:50

around as being like the moment, like

48:52

the actual moment. Oh,

48:54

that's so dramatic though.

48:57

Yeah. But it's not like

48:59

it was never captured on camera. There are

49:01

like crime scene photos and stuff. Totally. But

49:04

you know there are YouTubers out there that

49:06

review the movie and they're like, this world

49:08

crime scene footage. Like did you know that

49:10

movie, like Be My Cat, like the one

49:12

where the guy is like obsessed

49:14

with Anne Hathaway and then creates

49:17

like a movie where he's going

49:19

to cast her and then like

49:21

fucking kills the actresses. It's really fucked up. What?

49:24

I saw somebody recently took like a still

49:26

from that and made it like it's a

49:28

YouTube video about the movie Be My Cat,

49:30

a film for Anne. And

49:33

the person's like, this crazy stalker of

49:35

Anne Hathaway is out of control. And

49:37

it's like a still from the movie. And it's like, they tried

49:39

to use it like it was like documentary

49:42

footage. Yeah. It's

49:44

wild. Yeah. People

49:46

on the internet. Anyway. Yeah. So

49:49

anyway, just a disclaimer, you will see that shared around, but it's from

49:51

one of the movies. Okay. Trigger

49:53

warning. Don't go watch Be My Cat, a

49:55

film for Anne unless you want to be

49:57

disturbed. Yeah fair enough. It sounds pretty

49:59

disturbing. Yeah, but you know what else is fucked up this

50:02

case. Yeah about that. Yeah, there's

50:04

not much more that I can

50:06

say about this So that is

50:09

the the story of the revenge

50:11

of Marianne Bach Meyer aka the

50:13

avenging mother She's also known as

50:15

that but honestly in conclusion. I

50:17

really just have one thing to

50:19

say. Yeah good for her Yeah,

50:21

I was gonna say you better

50:24

work. Yeah, I don't feel bad

50:26

for this motherfucker for a minute

50:28

And I I don't condone murder But

50:31

in this situation, I don't even think

50:33

it's murder. I think it's It's

50:36

capital punishment poetic justice. I don't know.

50:39

I just yeah, I would do the

50:41

same I can't imagine I can't imagine

50:43

the anger the rage the frustration a

50:46

seven-year-old. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and

50:48

it Okay, yeah, exactly. So

50:50

anyway before we just kind of

50:52

revisit how frustrating this case is

50:54

Let me just thank my sources.

50:56

Thanks to all that's interesting calm

50:58

for the article meet Marianne Bach

51:00

Meyer Germany's revenge mother who shot

51:02

her child's killer in the middle

51:04

of his trial that was written

51:07

by Natasha is cuck and Edit

51:09

it by Bernadette. Yeah, Koma's Oh and

51:11

published on February 1st 2021 update at

51:14

June 22nd 2021

51:16

thanks to upi.com for the article

51:19

a woman charged with shooting Dead

51:21

her daughter's alleged. That was

51:24

an article that was written on December 14th, Johnny

51:27

Yeah for me Damn

51:31

Thanks as well to murder pedia org They

51:34

shared an article from the evening independent

51:36

called the mother is sentenced for killing

51:38

man on trial for daughter's death That

51:41

was a article published on March 2nd

51:45

Thanks to common law

51:47

like K a ma n Oh Not

51:51

like common. No, exactly For

51:53

the article unveiling the story of Marianne

51:55

Bach Meyer a mother who took justice

51:57

into her own hands that was written

52:00

by John M. Kamon and published April

52:02

19th, 2024. And then finally, thanks to

52:04

medium.com for

52:08

the article, A Mother's Revenge, the

52:10

Story of Marianne Bachmeyer, written by

52:12

Nikki Young on March 23rd, 2023.

52:17

A large thanks to Medium. I see what

52:19

you did there. A

52:23

big thanks to you, too, Tyler. Oh yeah, you're

52:25

really welcome for that one. Anyway,

52:29

Johnny, I hope you maybe have something

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a little bit better in regards

52:33

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Alright, baby dolls, well, I'm going to

53:47

be rounding things off today as you

53:49

can probably tell, and I'm not even

53:51

going to make any errors about it.

53:53

I'm totally taking you down to the

53:55

depths of true crime as well. Alright,

53:58

keep your floaties on. Right

54:00

this one's a teeth clincher, but there's

54:02

also a little bit of a satisfying

54:05

twist to it, too So don't you

54:07

worry? I'm not gonna leave you completely

54:09

in the pits of despair But

54:12

today I'm gonna be talking about the

54:14

case of the murder of Rita Curran,

54:17

do you know this one Tyler? I don't know

54:19

if I do. Okay. Well, you may be Kind

54:22

of tangentially aware of it due to some

54:25

recent Depressed that this case has gotten like

54:27

I'm talking within the last year as of

54:29

the recording of this episode Okay, but

54:31

I had no clear recollection of this

54:33

news story. So maybe you didn't either

54:36

But yeah, the name kind of sounds

54:38

familiar. So yeah, maybe maybe

54:40

it has come across our desk who

54:42

knows But I won't spoil anything. Let's

54:44

just get into it So Rita Patricia

54:46

Curran was born in Brooklyn, New York

54:48

in the USA on June 21st of

54:50

1947 Now

54:53

this was two parents Thomas and

54:55

Mary current and fun fact Rita

54:57

was born the same year as

54:59

they were married So do the

55:01

math diva, huh? Like

55:04

oh we're pregnant. Let's get married or they're like,

55:06

oh we're married. Let's get pregnant, right? Either

55:10

one It's

55:12

just what you said it that's what made it sound fun cuz

55:14

really when you break it down it's like our

55:16

own I don't know. I mean

55:19

like I'm not against marriage, but yeah, I definitely

55:21

don't want any baby Anyway,

55:23

these folks were down to clown. They

55:25

had three kids all together and Rita

55:29

was the oldest so Rita was first in 1947 and

55:31

then she Luckily

55:33

missed the train of being named after her parents

55:35

because the next two were just straight-up named Thomas

55:39

and Mary after mom and dad. Oh

55:41

my god. I know are they white? Yeah,

55:45

white people love doing that I

55:47

know right. I mean, sorry exhibit age. I

55:49

hate to call people out. I oh my

55:51

god, you're right You're white.

55:54

I'm white. We're right. Yeah Devastatingly,

55:57

so I like glow in the dark. I

55:59

don't know Pale my shit is

56:01

yeah, so not a ton of info

56:03

out there on the family's early life

56:05

Which is fair cuz like their private

56:08

citizen But we do know

56:10

that Rita's father Thomas worked for IBM

56:12

for a number of years and

56:14

that the family ultimately Relocated

56:16

from Brooklyn, New York to

56:18

the justice hardcore Milton Vermont

56:20

in 1957

56:22

these home of Ben and Jerry. Oh,

56:25

baby. I didn't realize I mean Vermont.

56:27

I'm not sure of that specific place

56:29

Oh Milton. No, I don't think so.

56:31

Anyway, Milton relatively sizable town of about

56:33

10,000 residents Located

56:35

in the northwest reaches of the state

56:38

of Vermont, but again not Brooklyn It's

56:41

like what a burrow not even

56:43

but anyway this meant that especially

56:46

in opposition to their previous home

56:48

Milton was like this lush green

56:50

paradise nestled among numerous lakes. Sure

56:53

I'm into it, but the family would go

56:56

on to run a diner They would also

56:58

operate a few rental properties in the area

57:00

around Arrowhead Mountain Lake and

57:03

in Vermont Rita More or less

57:05

excelled in school. She graduated at the age of

57:07

18 from Mount Saint

57:09

Mary Academy That was in 1965

57:12

and then this was followed by a

57:14

four-year stint at Trinity College in nearby

57:17

Burlington, Vermont It's about 20 kilometers away

57:19

as the crow flies. That's right. Yeah,

57:21

so she was there until from

57:26

that point Rita would go on to begin a Short

57:30

lived career as an elementary school teacher

57:32

in her hometown of Milton She

57:35

taught second grade primarily working with

57:37

students that had special needs And

57:40

I say short lived because she really just did it for

57:42

about two years like until 1971 Right

57:45

when after those first two years

57:47

of teaching Rita decided to relocate

57:49

to nearby Burlington, Vermont Where she

57:52

previously gone to school, but

57:54

this time it was to take graduate classes

57:56

at the University of Vermont and

57:59

Burlington is the backdrop of the cases we're gonna

58:01

be talking about it today so I'll give you a picture

58:03

in your mind's eye as opposed to Milton

58:05

which was like 10,000 residents

58:08

Burlington has about 45 K's so

58:10

it was a you know decent

58:12

upgrade well that's because of the

58:14

teddy bear factory absolutely that makes

58:16

sense and the coke factory yeah

58:19

Burlington teddy bear factory there's a teddy bear

58:22

factory in Burlington really yeah see I'm just

58:24

thinking about the coats yeah anyways so Burlington

58:27

as I said 20 kilometers as the

58:29

crow flies away from Milton it's

58:32

a beautiful city located on the

58:34

eastern shore of Lake Champlain it's

58:37

also known as the Queen City

58:39

which is really fierce not

58:41

that unique when using that because a lot

58:43

of places are called like the Queen City

58:45

the Queen Town huh so may I recommend

58:47

maybe cleaning that your lineage comes from drag

58:49

queens that could be a nice way to

58:51

say yeah just become the drag queen yeah

58:53

be like well we're the one that's named

58:55

after all the drag queens yeah that's good

58:57

and lgbt friendly that would be so fun

59:00

you would have the best

59:02

street names absolutely yeah man

59:04

yeah varla Jean Merman Boulevard you're right yeah

59:06

yeah I want to go down mini driver

59:09

lane so many drivers an actor but I'm

59:11

sure it's also a drag queen yeah at

59:13

heart yeah why not I don't know I

59:15

could come up with a better drag name

59:17

than mini driver what Jackie beat Boulevard sure

59:20

I can't do that icons baby we've got

59:22

icons to choose it's true it's true the

59:24

point is in 1971 a

59:26

now 24 year old Rita moves

59:28

out for the first time from

59:31

her parents home Mm-hmm Burlington to

59:33

attend school there she would go

59:35

from her parents home to a

59:37

three four or three floor Victorian

59:39

home converted into apartments on Brooks

59:41

Avenue in Burlington classic that's a

59:44

East Coast staple converted Victorian homes

59:46

hell yeah I live with you

59:48

myself so this is to attend

59:50

initially a summer reading

59:52

and language arts program at the University

59:55

of Vermont before the regular academic

59:57

year so Rita moved in with

59:59

three people two other roommates and

1:00:01

a significant other of the roommates. So

1:00:03

really, you know, you know how it

1:00:05

is. She had two roommates and

1:00:07

a third. So these

1:00:09

were 24 year old Beverly Lamphere, 19

1:00:13

year old Carrie Dwayne and her boyfriend, 23 year

1:00:15

old Paul Robinson. And no shame to the plus

1:00:17

ones, I was one of the open point. Remember

1:00:19

when I moved in with you and your roommate?

1:00:21

Yeah, I do. But you know, we got along,

1:00:24

we were friends. Yeah, we made it work, it

1:00:26

was great. Absolutely, anyway, these three

1:00:28

met Rita after she answered

1:00:30

the group's ad in the newspaper

1:00:32

looking for a roommate. And

1:00:35

out of the three floors of the converted

1:00:37

home, the group ended up living on the

1:00:39

main level of the home with two units

1:00:41

above them. Now

1:00:43

they were living between two

1:00:45

bedrooms. So essentially Paul and

1:00:48

Carrie had one room and

1:00:50

then Beverly and Rita were

1:00:52

in another. And

1:00:54

things were going on, you know,

1:00:56

relatively well or getting on relatively

1:00:59

well from the beginning. Like they

1:01:01

got along, although all T, they

1:01:04

didn't really develop that close to the

1:01:07

bond. Like Rita was kind of coming

1:01:09

into a pre-existing friend situation. So there

1:01:11

wasn't any animosity or anything like that,

1:01:13

but they just didn't really find themselves

1:01:15

hanging out a lot. And

1:01:17

I feel like that's pretty normal. Like

1:01:20

unless you are roomating with somebody who

1:01:22

you just know from life, like you're

1:01:24

already friends, it's always kind

1:01:26

of that weird dynamic where you're just like,

1:01:28

we're not necessarily here because we want to

1:01:31

be, but we're here because we have to

1:01:33

be. And that's fine. I don't hate you.

1:01:35

No. But also I just kind of want

1:01:37

to do my own thing and eat chips

1:01:39

in bed. Exactly. And like Rita was from

1:01:42

the area kind of. So she already had

1:01:44

her local friends here. She already had her

1:01:46

things that she liked to do in the

1:01:48

area. She was like, a townie, quote unquote,

1:01:51

as you would say. So anyway, because of

1:01:53

this not long after moving in in the

1:01:55

summer of 71, Rita

1:01:57

was already kind of looking at.

1:02:00

word for other living arrangements. Sure. Just you

1:02:02

know to play the field. Again nothing definite

1:02:04

though but she just she was telling friends

1:02:07

she was like yeah I don't see

1:02:09

this as being a long-term thing. Yeah and

1:02:11

like she didn't graduate school like that's

1:02:13

a different vibe that's not like the university

1:02:15

that you think of you know but

1:02:17

the beauty of it is again it was

1:02:19

the summer block so she was just

1:02:21

you know this was okay for now it

1:02:24

wasn't like bad at home

1:02:26

they just weren't super tight girlies or

1:02:28

anything yeah yeah so anyway Rita

1:02:31

was also super busy so it's not

1:02:33

like she had a lot of time

1:02:35

to sit around and you know hate

1:02:37

on her roommates anyway she was at

1:02:39

school she was working as a part-time

1:02:41

housekeeper at a local motel called the

1:02:44

colonial motor in. Thanks

1:02:47

for letting me know what place not

1:02:49

to go to. Just call it the

1:02:51

motor in my friend. No but it's

1:02:53

the colonial motor in. Yes because we

1:02:55

have to remember how we stole the

1:02:57

land. Let's piss on everything. Right and

1:02:59

then pour some gas on no

1:03:01

I guess motor in it's not a gas

1:03:04

I just hear a motor. But there are

1:03:06

probably cars in front of it. They would

1:03:08

explode. I'm just I just want something to

1:03:10

be mad at please and thank you but

1:03:12

anyway Rita she doesn't have time for any

1:03:14

of this bullshit like me she's busy she's

1:03:17

got a whole summer ahead of her but

1:03:19

unfortunately on Monday July 19th of 1971

1:03:23

all of this came to an abrupt halt

1:03:26

when the unthinkable happened. No I forgot this

1:03:28

was true crime. I know right this isn't

1:03:30

just like a fun coming-of-age like Brittany Crossroad

1:03:32

kind of story. Yeah because it's kind of

1:03:34

feeling like that. No it would have been

1:03:36

so good but no unfortunately we got to

1:03:38

zoom in on Monday July

1:03:40

19th 1971. So on

1:03:44

that particular day Rita had been

1:03:46

working her job at the again

1:03:48

wonderfully named Colonial Motor Inn before

1:03:50

attending rehearsal for a barbershop

1:03:52

quartet that she was

1:03:54

part of. Excuse me. Yeah

1:03:57

take a moment to let that one sink

1:03:59

in. That's amazing. Rita dealt in the

1:04:01

dark barbershop arts and we salute her for

1:04:03

that. One hundred percent. Like, you're a down-ass

1:04:05

bitch if you're in a barbershop quartet. Like, I

1:04:07

want to know you. And you mean bitch

1:04:09

in the most empowering way to pop a

1:04:11

ball. I sure do. Like how

1:04:13

you call your grandma a bitch after she

1:04:15

pops a sick wheelie. Exactly. Anyway,

1:04:18

Rita was out there spreading her

1:04:20

magic with the barbershop quartet, does

1:04:22

her rehearsal, comes back from it,

1:04:24

goes home right after, and she's

1:04:26

had a long day. I mean,

1:04:28

it's a Monday. Uh-huh. That's

1:04:31

already taken a mental toll, you know,

1:04:33

as the Garfield mug says. Uh-huh. That's

1:04:35

a lot for a Monday. Yeah, we

1:04:37

hate Mondays. And you

1:04:39

know, she had to work and then she

1:04:41

had her rehearsal, so it was big. So

1:04:44

she comes home. Her roommates were actually about

1:04:46

to go out, so they had invited her

1:04:48

to come with them. They were going to

1:04:50

go have supper at a place called the

1:04:52

Harbor Hideaway. I mean, it was a bit

1:04:54

of a late dinner as it was. But

1:04:56

look, even though it doesn't sound like much,

1:04:59

it's actually about to go out, so

1:05:01

they had invited her to come with

1:05:03

them. They were going to go have

1:05:05

supper at a place called the Harbor

1:05:07

Hideaway. I mean, it was a bit

1:05:09

of a late dinner as it was.

1:05:11

But look, even though it doesn't sound

1:05:14

like much, turns out this place was

1:05:16

fucking wild. Like a modest restaurant with

1:05:18

decor plucked right out of a Scooby-Doo

1:05:20

mansion hoarder fantasy. There were

1:05:22

knights, like armor, there were fake crocodiles.

1:05:24

Oh my God. There was a skeleton

1:05:26

coming out of a coffin with a

1:05:28

beating heart in its chest. This place

1:05:31

is as cool as hell. It was campy

1:05:33

as fuck. So like the name totally doesn't

1:05:35

do it justice. No. Maybe

1:05:37

Rita wasn't aware of how fucking cool this place was.

1:05:39

Although from my understanding, it was like the place to

1:05:42

be at the time I even looked at an old

1:05:44

menu. It was pretty fucking cool. Did

1:05:46

the food sound good? Yeah, the food sounded decent. I

1:05:48

mean, for what it was. Yeah. And the hombari

1:05:51

and stuff. But at the

1:05:53

end of the day, like there are also some photos

1:05:55

and like video of it back in the day. And

1:05:58

it was like a tiki lounge. mixed with

1:06:00

a thrift shop in the best way possible. Isn't it

1:06:02

amazing? So is it like you go out there to

1:06:04

eat and then you stay there for drinks and dancing?

1:06:06

For the vibes I guess? Yeah. Yeah,

1:06:08

supposedly. But anyway, Beverly, Carrie, and Paul headed

1:06:11

out that evening at around 11.15

1:06:14

p.m. Rita, on the other

1:06:16

hand, was going off to have Rita time.

1:06:18

Right. Again, maybe she didn't know that

1:06:20

it was so fierce at the Harbour Highway, or maybe

1:06:22

she just knew and she was like, you know what?

1:06:24

Not tonight. Yeah. Yeah. You

1:06:27

know, it's old news. I've been here my whole life. It's

1:06:29

not such a hideaway. Yeah. It's really kind

1:06:31

of like just right out there in the open. Baby, everybody

1:06:33

knows it. Rita time tonight. Yeah. So

1:06:35

anyway, roommates go out at 11.15 leaving

1:06:38

Rita at home. Her roommates

1:06:40

start to return just before 1 a.m.

1:06:42

Specifically, Carrie and Paul, the couple, are

1:06:44

the first to arrive back at about

1:06:46

12.30. They don't go to bed though.

1:06:49

They actually just took around and then

1:06:51

Beverly arrives shortly thereafter. And

1:06:54

they believed Rita to be in bed because

1:06:56

there was no sign of her in the

1:06:58

common areas. Sure. There's two bedroom

1:07:00

doors between them all. So

1:07:02

Rita's door was actually slightly ajar.

1:07:04

So Beverly just assumed that she

1:07:06

was in there. Everyone

1:07:08

was hanging out in the common area,

1:07:11

just being relatively quiet and respectful to

1:07:13

their sleeping roommate, but just

1:07:15

capping off the night. Sure. Anyway,

1:07:17

they all decide to go into their respective

1:07:19

rooms to end things at about 1.20 a.m.

1:07:22

And again,

1:07:24

Beverly lodging with Rita, the couple,

1:07:26

were together in their room. But

1:07:28

this is when Beverly makes a

1:07:30

horrific discovery because in the room

1:07:32

that she shared laid out on

1:07:35

the floor was Rita dead. Oh

1:07:38

my God. Yeah. And like her hair

1:07:40

had been in curlers. They were mostly

1:07:42

ripped out. They were strewn all around

1:07:45

the floor around her. Rita had been

1:07:47

badly beaten. She was in a blue

1:07:49

silk nightgown and a house code which

1:07:51

were both ripped, like

1:07:54

obviously by whoever had attacked her.

1:07:57

Oh my God. She took it from her bed,

1:07:59

wrapped around her left. leg and like Beverly

1:08:01

just immediately started shouting for the

1:08:03

other people to come

1:08:05

in and of course they did. All

1:08:08

tried to go to read a side

1:08:10

to help her but quickly realized she

1:08:12

was dead after checking her pulse. Oh

1:08:14

my gosh. So unfortunately, you know, mouth to

1:08:16

mouth wasn't even going to solve this. But

1:08:18

from there, likely in a haze

1:08:20

of momentary confusion, they ended up

1:08:23

calling the local hospital who ultimately

1:08:25

connected them with emergency services. Okay,

1:08:27

yeah. And from there, two emergency

1:08:29

staff named Steve Olio and Dave Bean

1:08:32

were sent out to the scene to

1:08:34

assist. However, it becomes

1:08:36

abundantly clear to these two

1:08:38

emergency workers as they arrive

1:08:40

that this is way

1:08:42

above their pay grade and that the police

1:08:44

need to be involved. One hundred percent. Because

1:08:46

this is a full out crime scene. Yes.

1:08:49

So of course, the two men

1:08:51

called the police. They arrive shortly

1:08:53

thereafter and begin to examine the

1:08:55

scene, you know, make sure that

1:08:57

there's not a killer still in the fucking house or something

1:08:59

like that. I never even thought of that. Oh my God.

1:09:02

And then of course, get the body

1:09:04

off for autopsy. And

1:09:06

PS, there was no one in the house. So it

1:09:09

was really just a matter of like documenting, securing and

1:09:11

then dealing with the crime scene. So it

1:09:13

was clear to investigators that Rita

1:09:15

had been sexually assaulted, given the

1:09:19

rips on her clothing, like buttons were

1:09:21

pulled off and stuff like that. Her

1:09:23

underwear had been forcibly torn off as

1:09:26

well and was on the ground near

1:09:28

her body. It was also

1:09:30

apparent that Rita had attempted to fight back

1:09:32

against whoever this was that had attacked her

1:09:34

in her room that night. While

1:09:37

there were no signs of robbery, like

1:09:39

money was even left in Rita's purse, like there

1:09:41

was twenty dollars in there. It

1:09:44

was believed then that sexual assault was

1:09:46

likely the motive for whoever did this,

1:09:49

just like given the state and you

1:09:51

know, what's left behind. Exactly. And when

1:09:53

I say the state, I truly mean

1:09:56

the state of Rita's

1:09:58

body. Of course. the

1:10:01

autopsy would further reveal and

1:10:04

confirm unfortunately some of these things. So

1:10:06

Rita's body was examined and it was

1:10:08

revealed that her cause of death had

1:10:10

been asphyxiation by hand. Oh

1:10:13

no! So when I first read this I

1:10:15

was like, oh with the bed sheet, but

1:10:17

no, it was done by hand. Which is

1:10:19

super fucking brutal. That's like one of the

1:10:22

most personal ways obviously to do that. Yeah,

1:10:24

you have to be so close. It's yeah,

1:10:26

it's so free. I mean,

1:10:28

it's never good to be killed, but you know

1:10:30

what I mean. Like it's just it takes it

1:10:32

to an extra fucking level of brutality. On top

1:10:34

of that she has sustained quite a bit of

1:10:37

physical trauma from her attacker. And

1:10:39

this is actually believed to have been

1:10:41

self-defense wounds in some instances. So it

1:10:43

really seems like Rita was fighting for

1:10:45

her life in that time. But

1:10:48

unfortunately it was more

1:10:51

than she was able to fight back against. It

1:10:54

was believed that this attack happened in

1:10:56

Rita's room shortly after her roommates left,

1:10:58

probably at around 12 a.m. Because

1:11:01

again, they were out of the house from 11.15 until 12.30.

1:11:06

They were not gone very long. They did

1:11:08

not have a long night at the Harbor

1:11:10

Hideaway. Like and Beverly was the last to

1:11:13

come back even before 1. They only hung

1:11:15

out for like half an hour before turning

1:11:17

in. Yeah, so then it would

1:11:19

there be so many questions. Yeah, and it's not

1:11:22

like they showed up and an attacker was like

1:11:24

still there or something like this. Like the attacker

1:11:26

had been there and gone. They actually

1:11:28

believe that they had probably gotten

1:11:30

out through the back door because

1:11:32

that was left unlocked. Okay. Nothing

1:11:34

was really left at the crime

1:11:37

scene other than a Lark branded

1:11:39

cigarette butt that was found near

1:11:41

Rita's body. As well as a

1:11:43

bit of blood that was on

1:11:45

the doorway of the apartment's kitchen.

1:11:48

This made it just feel even more random

1:11:50

and straight up evil though and kind

1:11:52

of hubristic given the fact that they

1:11:54

left physical evidence. But it's 1971 so

1:11:57

they weren't even thinking about that. They're not. Yeah, I mean, or

1:11:59

at least. the perpetrators not thinking well

1:12:02

yeah exactly but yeah regardless

1:12:04

like it's just it's obviously

1:12:06

so random so fucked up

1:12:09

and just so brutal

1:12:11

and that's it and it's just like

1:12:14

did it was this somebody this is just

1:12:16

so many questions it's like was this somebody

1:12:18

that she knew was this planned how like

1:12:20

how random was this really because they seem

1:12:22

to cover their tracks a bit but not

1:12:24

completely and yeah it was just

1:12:26

it was so fucked up and yeah obviously because

1:12:28

of how just like random and horrific this was

1:12:31

it was not only a big shock to those

1:12:33

close to read it but a huge shock to

1:12:35

the community because again this is like a town

1:12:37

of 45,000 people yeah

1:12:39

not huge by any stretch of the

1:12:41

imagination no not at all no and

1:12:44

also not the kind of place where

1:12:46

like murders are happening all the time

1:12:48

so this was just a

1:12:50

huge shock and that sentiment was

1:12:52

corroborated by local officials who actually

1:12:54

claimed that the case was one

1:12:56

of the most brutal in regional

1:12:59

history if not the most. Rita's

1:13:01

funeral would take place at the

1:13:03

end of the week following her

1:13:05

death so it took place on

1:13:07

Friday July 23rd and this was

1:13:09

widely attended not just by loved ones

1:13:11

but by locals who were stricken by

1:13:14

the case and wanted to pay their respect

1:13:16

given how fucked up the crime was yeah it

1:13:19

was also attended by police for reasons

1:13:21

of respect but also in case a

1:13:23

killer showed up or something it right

1:13:25

will they want to come and just

1:13:27

kind of bask in this misery that

1:13:29

they've created some people are that fucked

1:13:31

up why not something so it was

1:13:33

a tense few days to say the

1:13:35

least however the funeral went on without

1:13:37

any issue an investigation

1:13:40

would of course continue though as authorities

1:13:42

tried to figure out exactly who had

1:13:44

entered the home and attacked Rita on

1:13:46

that night and why which

1:13:48

means dozens upon dozens of interviews

1:13:51

took place with people that started

1:13:53

from you know the roommates that

1:13:55

Rita knew friends and all that

1:13:58

kind of stuff to you

1:14:00

know other people from the area they were just

1:14:02

hoping that anybody could have any kind of witness

1:14:05

testimony or just insight into what

1:14:08

happened that night because again short

1:14:10

time period so random so

1:14:14

i keep saying the word but brutal yeah and

1:14:16

not a lot of evidence it doesn't sound like

1:14:18

not a lot of evidence that they could do

1:14:20

anything with at least exactly so the roommates actually

1:14:23

had pretty solid alibis for the night i mean

1:14:25

they were seen at this restaurant they were cleared

1:14:27

of any questions pretty early on and

1:14:29

in terms of other people in the apartment

1:14:31

building because again they were one of three

1:14:34

units the jury is out on whether or

1:14:36

not the middle unit was even occupied at

1:14:38

the time but the people on the top

1:14:40

floor of the home uh were

1:14:43

actually spoken to a number of times and

1:14:45

they were a newlywed couple named william and

1:14:47

michelle durus they had only married two weeks

1:14:49

prior to the murder i believe that they

1:14:51

had moved in kind of in spring of

1:14:53

that year so they were kind of new

1:14:55

to the building as well so they didn't

1:14:57

really know each other that well yeah or

1:14:59

anything like that like know the other roommates i'm

1:15:02

sure they knew each other because they got married

1:15:04

well i mean you never know you never know

1:15:06

but each of them had backed

1:15:08

up the other stories stating that they were

1:15:10

home the entire evening they hadn't really

1:15:12

heard anything nothing seemed out of sorts to

1:15:15

them and they hadn't heard any noise coming

1:15:17

from downstairs at the time of the murder

1:15:19

but people right away

1:15:21

were kind of like how did you

1:15:24

not hear anything given how fiercely he

1:15:26

was fighting back too exactly like it

1:15:28

just it was fucked up but again

1:15:30

they were re-interviewed like three times in

1:15:33

total and they're like stories lined up

1:15:35

each time so to be

1:15:37

frank nothing really seemed to come from any

1:15:39

of these interviews like you know people call

1:15:41

in tips and stuff like that but just

1:15:44

unfortunately in

1:15:47

a rather frustrating development in

1:15:50

the time following the murder

1:15:52

there was just nothing to work on but

1:15:54

that can sometimes be the unfortunate thing about like

1:15:56

a high-profile case like this where you are getting

1:15:59

a lot of leads because most

1:16:01

of those leads are not going to

1:16:03

be correct. So you're spending a lot

1:16:05

of time investigating dead ends. Yeah, and

1:16:07

then, you know, the time where this

1:16:09

is just left unsolved is just growing

1:16:11

bigger and bigger. Exactly. Just not only

1:16:13

becoming frustrating, but fear-inducing for all involved

1:16:15

in a round of this crime. Again,

1:16:17

given how random it was. And

1:16:20

it's like, kind of like, with it involving

1:16:22

university students as well, then you're like, is

1:16:24

this a targeted thing? The school year is

1:16:26

about to start up. Yeah. And so this

1:16:28

is also 1971 too. So

1:16:31

even though they have like a cigarette

1:16:33

butt, it's not like they have contemporary

1:16:35

DNA technology to start scanning as well.

1:16:38

Yeah. So it just seemed like there

1:16:40

was no hope at times. In

1:16:42

a relatively short amount of time, even,

1:16:45

the case grew stagnant like so many

1:16:47

others before. It just

1:16:49

more or less became a cold case as

1:16:51

the days turned into weeks and months and

1:16:54

all that kind of stuff, which is heartbreaking

1:16:56

for the community and Rita's loved ones. Well,

1:16:58

yeah, especially if it's like this one-off event

1:17:00

where you don't have the chance of like

1:17:03

having another crime. See, not that you want

1:17:05

that anyway, but you know what I mean?

1:17:07

There wasn't anything after. But in a lot

1:17:09

of these cases, if it's a serial offender,

1:17:12

they'll slip up at some point. But if

1:17:14

it's just like a one-time thing that can't

1:17:16

be connected to any other crimes, you

1:17:19

have nowhere to go. Exactly. So 1972 rolls

1:17:22

on and still, you know, they're left in

1:17:24

the large without any answers. And honestly,

1:17:27

that's how it kind of continues for

1:17:29

the next few years. From

1:17:31

a statement that the police made,

1:17:34

there were allegedly 14 different

1:17:36

suspects that they did mull over

1:17:39

in the course of the investigation,

1:17:41

like over the years that followed.

1:17:44

One of them actually was a pretty high

1:17:46

profile person, although I hate to give them

1:17:49

anything and resolve or resembling notability. But at

1:17:52

one point, one of the suspects in

1:17:54

the crime was none other than Ted

1:17:56

Bundy. Oh, that motherfucker.

1:17:58

Well, yeah, because... the Colonial Motor

1:18:01

Inn where Rita worked for that

1:18:03

summer was actually like pretty

1:18:05

much across the road from the home for

1:18:07

unwed mothers that Ted Buddy was born at.

1:18:09

And in an interview with the detective,

1:18:12

Ted Bundy claimed to have killed a woman in

1:18:14

1971 when he went back and was looking for

1:18:19

information about his birth. So

1:18:21

he could have seen her working

1:18:24

and then be like, that's my

1:18:26

target. That was the belief, you

1:18:28

know, because he was like frustrated

1:18:30

too about, you know, learning about

1:18:32

where he came from and all that kind of stuff.

1:18:34

So yeah, they believe, you know, they were

1:18:36

believing that this could have actually been

1:18:38

a Ted Bundy case. In fact, the

1:18:40

crime scene didn't stray too far away

1:18:42

from his usual way of going about

1:18:44

things. Ultimately, a retired FBI

1:18:47

agent named John Bassett made the official

1:18:49

suggestion, which, you know, once that was

1:18:51

made, it continued to pick up a

1:18:53

lot of steam to

1:18:55

the point that Rita's sister, Mary, even

1:18:57

reached out to Ted Bundy at one

1:19:00

point on death row to see

1:19:02

if he had any information to which

1:19:04

he reportedly responded or responded

1:19:07

through officials that he could not deny

1:19:10

or confirm culpability. He's he's

1:19:12

he loves that shit. He

1:19:14

really thrived on people coming

1:19:16

to him for information to

1:19:19

try and pick his brain

1:19:21

and get his opinion. It

1:19:24

feels like Hannibal fucking life. Well, yeah.

1:19:26

And he he honestly led a lot

1:19:28

of people on in this kind of

1:19:30

way. Yeah. He has fueled years of

1:19:32

speculation as Rita's case was left unsolved,

1:19:34

but it more or less ended on

1:19:36

the eve of Bundy's execution in January

1:19:38

of 1989 when he straight up

1:19:41

admitted that he was not involved in

1:19:44

this murder case and he had just

1:19:46

been stringing them along. This was among

1:19:48

a number of other confessions that he

1:19:50

made the day before the death penalty

1:19:52

was enacted. Right. But yeah, like he

1:19:54

was just like, no, I didn't do that. I

1:19:56

hope he shit himself when he died. I know.

1:19:58

Absolutely. In the most public way. Possible. Mm-hmm.

1:20:01

But anyway that officially ended the

1:20:03

Bundy chapter and also that was

1:20:05

later confirmed by DNA. So fuck

1:20:07

him Deuces, but speaking

1:20:09

of DNA this just so happens to

1:20:11

bring us to the next break in

1:20:13

this case because babies

1:20:16

that DNA technology ended up developing

1:20:18

after 1971 to say the least

1:20:20

yes it did now Unfortunately,

1:20:23

it took decades like I'm

1:20:25

saying between 1971 and the 2010s read his case Sat

1:20:29

cold and unresolved Despite

1:20:32

efforts from local investigators to put

1:20:34

the pieces together I should say

1:20:36

but in 2014 a break would

1:20:38

come in the case in the

1:20:40

form of a DNA profile Being

1:20:42

created now this was put together

1:20:44

after the Burlington Police Department sent

1:20:46

all of their remaining evidence Containing

1:20:48

DNA from the case including the

1:20:50

cigarette or the cigarette butt To

1:20:53

a lab and there they were able

1:20:56

to create a profile for this mystery

1:20:58

man who would have been there Unfortunately,

1:21:02

there were no matches though when they

1:21:04

tried to take that DNA profile and

1:21:06

compared to things like CODIS and other

1:21:08

DNA databases that they have for Criminals

1:21:12

who have submitted DNA samples as part of

1:21:14

cases, right? So whoever this guy was he

1:21:16

was not caught or arrested for anything You

1:21:18

hadn't been convicted of any crimes But don't

1:21:21

worry baby dolls because the snowball is just

1:21:23

starting to roll down the hill and

1:21:25

fast forward five years later so

1:21:28

2019 New

1:21:30

detectives are put on the case and

1:21:32

they send the DNA evidence from the

1:21:34

case in for further scrutiny to

1:21:37

a lab and The detective James tree

1:21:40

said that he wanted to approach the

1:21:42

case in this instance as if it

1:21:44

had just happened Right, so he was

1:21:46

trying to give it complete fresh eyes

1:21:48

new team and everything and from this

1:21:51

work came some rather interesting results through

1:21:54

some circuitous testing and like passing

1:21:56

between numerous people they were able

1:21:58

to confirm that Among all

1:22:01

of the evidence remaining from

1:22:03

the case, there was Rita's DNA

1:22:05

profile and that of a man. So they were

1:22:07

able to double confirm that, but the

1:22:09

important thing is, like, you know, it gets passed

1:22:11

around, confirmed, all that stuff, that's great, but March

1:22:14

of 2020 comes. The

1:22:16

cigarette butt is sent over to

1:22:18

Parabon Nano Labs to examine the

1:22:21

DNA on it. And this is

1:22:23

because Parabon Nano Labs has, among

1:22:25

other things that they do with

1:22:27

DNA, they do a lot of

1:22:29

work with genetic genealogy, which, if

1:22:31

you're not familiar, is this kind

1:22:33

of oft-cited DNA or familial DNA

1:22:35

testing that we mentioned, and a

1:22:37

lot of other people talk about.

1:22:39

Yeah, like a giant database of

1:22:42

DNA for people who aren't criminals.

1:22:44

Exactly. And there they can hone

1:22:46

in on a profile's family tree

1:22:48

based on familial DNA information. It's

1:22:50

how they found the Golden State

1:22:52

Killer, Joseph DeAngelo, and stuff like

1:22:54

that. So many cases. Right,

1:22:57

yeah. Anyway, from there, by

1:22:59

the summertime of 2022, the

1:23:01

lab crossed reference to the DNA sample

1:23:03

of this person that wasn't Rita to

1:23:06

a list of the suspects, like the

1:23:08

14 suspects that have been submitted by

1:23:10

the police. And this is when

1:23:12

they would confirm that, you know, it

1:23:14

wasn't Ted Bundy, but instead, a bigger

1:23:17

break would come, as a genealogical

1:23:19

link was discovered between this profile

1:23:21

that they pulled from the cigarette

1:23:23

butt and a relative of William

1:23:25

deRue's on both his maternal and

1:23:27

paternal side. And

1:23:30

again, if you don't remember, William is Rita's

1:23:32

upstairs neighbor. Oh, shit! Yeah. He

1:23:35

did it! Well, yes. So...

1:23:38

Okay. Spoiler alert, but I'm

1:23:40

about to tell you in a minute. He fucking did it!

1:23:43

Now, unfortunately, at this point, William

1:23:46

had passed away, but it turns

1:23:48

out they were able to

1:23:50

get a DNA sample from his

1:23:52

half-brother, and a little more

1:23:54

than like 50 years after the

1:23:57

fact, they were finally able

1:23:59

to confirm that William deRue's most

1:24:01

likely... was or definitively was

1:24:03

the person who attacked Rita that

1:24:06

night aka the fucking killer

1:24:08

because again the blood stain

1:24:10

that was on the kitchen doorway

1:24:12

plus the cigarette but that created

1:24:15

the profile you know for somebody

1:24:17

that wasn't Rita therefore that's how

1:24:19

they get him. Motherfucker! Fuck this

1:24:21

fucking guy and they talk to

1:24:23

him multiple times. I know. What

1:24:25

about his wife? Did his wife know? Is she

1:24:27

covering for him? Yes. I'll

1:24:30

explain that in a moment. I'm getting very

1:24:32

invested. Really? Do you want to read

1:24:34

my notes? No. But look I'm just

1:24:36

gonna say it now. William DeRuz was a boring

1:24:38

web man who thinks he's magic. I

1:24:41

mean that in like the most literal sense of

1:24:43

the term. Because ain't nothing magic about this motherfucker.

1:24:46

No but like get this he was like one

1:24:48

of those like fucking beat

1:24:50

generation wannabes you know fucking reads

1:24:52

On the Road by Jack Kerouac

1:24:54

or fucking Naked Lunch and decides

1:24:56

to fancy himself an ascended master

1:24:58

but he's really just a drug addict. So

1:25:01

at the time of Rita's murder in 1971, William was

1:25:03

31 years old. Like

1:25:07

I said he had just been married two weeks

1:25:09

prior to his wife Michelle who of course he

1:25:11

met at a zen center. Yeah.

1:25:14

Now she was a second wife

1:25:16

from my understanding. Don't know anything

1:25:19

about the first marriage but unsurprisingly

1:25:21

William and Michelle both left Vermont

1:25:23

shortly after the murder took place.

1:25:25

Oh no. Yeah

1:25:27

Michelle later stated

1:25:29

that she did in fact lie for

1:25:32

William who was a controlling prick to

1:25:34

her by all reports. But

1:25:37

he told her that night to like

1:25:39

lie for him because they had had

1:25:41

an argument earlier on he had walked

1:25:43

out of the house and

1:25:45

then he came back and was like oh shit

1:25:47

all this stuff's going on and you know I've

1:25:49

got this criminal record and they'll look for any

1:25:51

reason to arrest me. Just tell

1:25:54

them I was at home because otherwise we're going to

1:25:56

get wrapped up in this shit. So she lied for

1:25:58

him but not really knowing. She

1:26:00

had no idea no, she had no idea

1:26:02

she okay She even

1:26:04

said later on down the road Like if

1:26:06

I had known that I was lying for

1:26:09

him like knowingly lying for

1:26:11

him I would never have done this

1:26:13

but yeah, he talked her into it

1:26:15

and she ended up like carrying the

1:26:17

fucking torch for him fuck this guy

1:26:19

right So they ended

1:26:22

up leaving the city shortly thereafter

1:26:24

as I was saying Yeah, William

1:26:26

ended up moving in the fall

1:26:28

of that year to Thailand to

1:26:30

become a Buddhist monk, of course Fucking

1:26:33

kidding Michelle would join him later on in the

1:26:35

new year in March of 1972 But

1:26:38

they ended up having to break things up after

1:26:40

a while because from my understanding he was a

1:26:42

monk She was a nun. Can I make it

1:26:44

any more obvious? You

1:26:46

end up becoming a nun and they're like, I don't

1:26:48

think this will work. No anyway

1:26:52

They kind of break things off but the motherfucker

1:26:54

would go and by the motherfucker, I mean William

1:26:56

I'm not coming for Michelle again. She didn't know

1:26:58

but William would go on to marry again

1:27:01

following his relationship with Michelle This

1:27:03

was in 1974 to a woman that he

1:27:05

met in San Francisco But this was not

1:27:07

a very good situation whatsoever The marriage

1:27:09

ended in 1978 after the

1:27:11

woman found out that William was cheating on her

1:27:15

Now in the meantime between his

1:27:17

second and third marriage Williams behavior

1:27:19

became increasingly erratic including an incident

1:27:21

Where he randomly just stabbed a

1:27:24

friend What? Yeah, it was like

1:27:26

a woman that was friends with the couple I guess like

1:27:30

He just randomly stabbed her then pretended like it

1:27:32

didn't happen and then Yeah,

1:27:36

and then his wife was like, okay that's

1:27:38

fucked up and then shortly thereafter he just

1:27:40

Randomly started choking her one day and that's

1:27:43

when she was just like, okay, I'm gone.

1:27:45

Yeah, fuck that shit. Exactly So she leaves

1:27:47

him in 1978 and basically during that time

1:27:49

William had also gotten super hooked on drugs

1:27:52

I guess at the time when he was

1:27:54

living above Rita and all that. I'm in

1:27:56

his second marriage He wasn't on drugs yet.

1:27:58

Uh-huh, but he just became like completely

1:28:01

hooked and ended up dying in a San

1:28:03

Francisco hotel room in 1983 of an overdose.

1:28:07

That's too good for him honestly. I know and I'm

1:28:09

not gonna say that like he deserves it. I

1:28:12

will. I'll just quote

1:28:14

Roxy Andrews, the

1:28:16

wise poet, and just say,

1:28:19

that doesn't suck. That doesn't

1:28:21

suck. I guess that wouldn't suck but either way it

1:28:23

is what it is. The point

1:28:25

is that after all of

1:28:27

this, Rita Kern's death was

1:28:29

finally solved after 50-ish years.

1:28:33

And this was all thanks to the

1:28:35

advent of familial DNA. While

1:28:38

it doesn't bring Rita back, her family is

1:28:40

thankful to have answers, especially given how much

1:28:42

time has passed. I mean I'm sure they

1:28:44

would love to see Street Justice be dealt

1:28:47

out to this motherfucker, but they don't have

1:28:49

that. But just let it be

1:28:51

known, if any of you out there are

1:28:53

ever thinking about like, I don't know, killing

1:28:55

somebody, maybe drop a cigarette butt or two

1:28:57

around just so that we can catch you

1:28:59

a little quicker, you dumb fuck. Right?

1:29:02

Or here's a better idea, don't murder

1:29:04

anybody. I feel like

1:29:06

I shouldn't have to say that. You really

1:29:08

shouldn't. Especially after this many episodes. But just

1:29:10

in case, don't do what

1:29:13

William did. Oh god.

1:29:15

Oh my gosh, what an

1:29:17

asshole. I know. And like,

1:29:19

I guess her parents probably weren't alive

1:29:22

though when they found like the fuck

1:29:24

her. So they would have

1:29:26

died not knowing what happened to their daughter. And that

1:29:28

fucking sucked. But her sister was still alive and she

1:29:30

did get to speak at a press conference and you

1:29:32

know, metaphorically click her heels over it. I'm glad she

1:29:34

got that. So get

1:29:36

it, Mary. But with that being said, that

1:29:38

is the case of the murder of Rita

1:29:41

Curran. And now I just want to thank my sources.

1:29:44

Thank you to the St. Albans Daily Messenger

1:29:46

for Milton Teacher Murdered, published on July 20th

1:29:48

of 1971, Author Unknown. Thank

1:29:51

you to the Burlington Free Press for Young Woman's

1:29:54

Lane, Strangler is South, published by Stuart Perry on

1:29:56

July 21st of 1971. Thank

1:29:58

you to the Battle Borough. Reformer

1:30:00

for Murder Probe Continues Slowly, published

1:30:02

on July 23rd of 1971. Thank

1:30:06

you to Newsweek for Cigarette Butt Solves

1:30:08

50 Year Rita Kern Cold Case, published

1:30:11

by Kaleida Rahman on February 22nd of

1:30:13

2023. Thank

1:30:15

you to CBS News for Vermont Teacher Rita

1:30:17

Kern was murdered 52 years ago. It

1:30:20

discarded cigarette butt to just help close the case,

1:30:22

published by Associated Press on February 21st of 2023.

1:30:26

Thank you to my Champlain Valley for

1:30:28

Mystery in the Mountains, Rita Kern's Murder

1:30:30

is Burrington's Oldest Cold Case, published by Libby

1:30:32

Farrow on July 26th of 2021. Thank

1:30:36

you to USA Today for a 24-year-old teacher was

1:30:38

murdered in 1971. DNA

1:30:40

on a cigarette butt just solved the

1:30:42

case, published by Lilly St. Angelo on

1:30:44

February 22nd of 2023. Thank

1:30:48

you to The Guardian for Vermont Police

1:30:50

Use Cigarette DNA to Solve Woman's Murder

1:30:52

52 Years On, published

1:30:54

by J. Oliver Conroy on February 23rd of 2023.

1:30:58

Thank you to the Vermont Standard for

1:31:00

Mother of Heartland Woman's Sister,

1:31:03

sorry, Murder of Heartland Woman's Sister,

1:31:05

different article, finally solved

1:31:07

after 40 years, published by Mike Donahue

1:31:09

in 2023. And finally,

1:31:11

thank you to the Washington Post for

1:31:13

DNA on a cigarette butt just helped solve

1:31:16

a 52-year-old murder, published by Andrew Xiong

1:31:18

on February 22nd of 2023. All

1:31:22

right. I

1:31:25

never thought I'd be so thankful for

1:31:27

a cigarette butt. I know, right? Yeah,

1:31:30

I guess so. I was

1:31:33

going to try to do some cool

1:31:35

anti-smoking campaign, but even I can. Oh

1:31:37

my God. Speaking of anti-smoking campaigns, this

1:31:39

has not passed, nor do I think

1:31:41

it will pass, but apparently Prince Edward

1:31:44

Island is planning on banning the sales

1:31:46

of tobacco products to people born after

1:31:48

a certain date. Just doing the utmost.

1:31:50

Right? A big while. If you're not

1:31:52

50 years old and started smoking

1:31:55

30 years ago, you're a fresh out of

1:31:57

luck kid. Olds, we want you to die,

1:31:59

young. We're saving you

1:32:01

exactly like it's a great idea in

1:32:03

principle was not gonna work I know

1:32:05

right like put cigarettes on the streets,

1:32:07

you know, man Arbitrary

1:32:11

back the glass bottles, you know, right

1:32:13

that'll make people happy. Yeah, you know

1:32:15

what? Yeah, take away the cigarettes But

1:32:17

bring back the glass bottles. Yeah, that's

1:32:19

what you gotta do. That's the only

1:32:21

thing we'll accept exactly. All right. Well

1:32:23

Tyler You want to

1:32:25

move on? Yeah, beautiful. I'm looking at you. You're looking

1:32:27

at me I only got one thing on my mind

1:32:30

a question. What did you learn today today?

1:32:33

I learned that I

1:32:35

want to be in a barbershop quartet. Oh,

1:32:37

right. Can I sing? No Can

1:32:40

I court I'm like, okay with

1:32:42

fractions? Yeah, but do I have passion? Yeah.

1:32:44

Yeah, and that's like 80% right? No, totally

1:32:49

Yeah, and you give me the guy who does like onomatopoeias You

1:32:53

can do like the police academy kind of stuff. Yeah

1:32:55

sound effect. I can read this all bump guy Bump

1:32:58

bump bump bump. Yeah, absolutely. If they're ever

1:33:00

doing like a mr. Sam and you can

1:33:02

do the what? Yeah Boom-boom.

1:33:05

Yeah, the br. Thirby's I've been practicing

1:33:07

my whole life And

1:33:10

I want one of those armband thing. Oh, let's

1:33:12

try hats little pains a striped shirt. Oh,

1:33:14

that would be fun Yeah,

1:33:16

they wear tap shoes. Mmm,

1:33:18

they could they can show you want to wear

1:33:20

them. Do you want to be the tapper? Uh-huh?

1:33:22

Yeah Yeah, I'm not gonna tap dance too, but

1:33:24

it's okay I was gonna say

1:33:26

today I learned I gotta find Tyler a tap school.

1:33:29

Damn those little feet. He's gonna gotta get

1:33:31

dancing Yeah, these have it hoops. Yeah, we

1:33:33

got it. We gotta start you on Size

1:33:36

12 wides. We gotta put those together.

1:33:39

Yeah. No, I literally have Sam why

1:33:41

Sam wise game G feet on

1:33:44

the big dough I'm

1:33:47

not gonna start fawning over the big toe fur anything like

1:33:50

that. I'm not a toe girl. Yeah No,

1:33:52

no, but Sam wise was the cutest one.

1:33:54

It's true. Yeah, everybody knows it. I'll take

1:33:56

it Yes,

1:33:59

thank you Anyway, um, I

1:34:01

guess is that what I learned today?

1:34:03

That Tyler needs to take dance classes?

1:34:05

Is it? Could be. I mean, I

1:34:07

don't want to come for your natural

1:34:09

sense of rhythm or anything like that.

1:34:11

Yeah. I mean, I don't, you

1:34:14

know, I don't really have- Those toadies are made for

1:34:16

a stage. It's true. Um, yeah. I guess that- I

1:34:18

will commit to that. Alright. We've done almost 300 episodes

1:34:20

at this point. We can have a fun one every

1:34:22

now and then. You're gonna be my dance mom, Johnny.

1:34:25

Oh, I will be. Yeah. Oh, hi. You'll be

1:34:27

my dance mom and I'll be your dance Danny.

1:34:29

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1:34:50

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will follow you. And who knows? We might

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be reading your review on the next dang show

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cause we just choose them at random. We like

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to read a review as a little way to

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say thank you. So you might be the next

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Marshall. And if you're listening to us

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on the nap, you can leave the rating, but

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you can't leave the reviews. Don't leave that rating

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and drop the review in an email because we

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still collect those as well and put them in

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the pile. So you will not be without. That's

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right. Opportunities to shine. Yes. Also

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speaking of great ways to support the show. If you're looking

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for another way to help support us, you want to help

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us keep the lights on over here. You want to

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get a few things out of it

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for yourself. Maybe. Join us at the

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