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Hi everyone, welcome

1:33

to That

1:36

Spooky. I'm

1:39

Johnny. I'm Tyler. And this

1:41

is Weekly Podcast for Weird Introverts by

1:44

Weird Introverts. Exactly. Like don't look at

1:46

me. Don't even listen to me. I

1:48

actually turned this off. Absolutely. You don't

1:50

want to. Yeah. Can we

1:52

all just get under like a big overcoat and

1:54

pretend to be like one person? Please. Just for

1:57

a minute. It'd be kind of like that one

1:59

scene from Midsommar. Yeah, they're all screaming

2:01

together. Oh, yeah, but that feels a

2:03

little bit too extroverted for me actually,

2:05

but that's my dream Yeah,

2:07

maybe that's what I could do for my

2:09

36th birthday this year. Just have a group

2:12

screen Yeah, I just have a girl group

2:14

screen sure. Yeah, why not? We can all

2:16

commitment. Mm-hmm I get to choose the dress

2:18

code everybody dresses like me It's the night

2:20

of a thousand Johnnies and then the night

2:22

culminates when we all sit together with me

2:25

in the middle and just scream,

2:27

uh-huh That

2:30

would probably feel really fucking great a great

2:32

way to start my 36th year Hell

2:35

yeah There has to be something cathartic about

2:37

just like getting in a group and screaming

2:40

right one would like to think and one

2:42

will Find out on December 14th of 2024.

2:45

All right, I'll save the date. Thank you. I would

2:47

hope Hi

2:49

everyone. Hi, welcome to the show Serious

2:52

matters are foot. Yes, we don't have drag

2:54

race to talk about so like we have

2:56

a spooky gay bullshit segment to intro this

2:58

show But I don't know.

3:01

I just feel untethered. I feel

3:03

at sea until May 17th strikes

3:05

upon the clock You know

3:07

the moment the built-in calendar on it. Yeah,

3:10

I shall not feel the same Yeah, but

3:12

I mean until the doomsday clock counts us

3:14

down Johnny We could talk a little bit

3:16

about the Queens of the new season We

3:18

did go in-depth in them over on the

3:20

secret society But I believe we did promise

3:23

the spooky bitches we'd give a little bit

3:25

of our thoughts really. Oh, oh That's

3:28

good. That's good. Okay. Good Then we'll still

3:30

have dragged to talk about yay And if

3:32

you don't care or if you don't want

3:34

to hear about it skip ahead a few

3:36

minutes Mm-hmm, you know the drill so let's

3:38

talk season 9 of all-stars. Yeah, are we

3:41

we shall? So this is gonna be an

3:43

unusual season for anybody who hasn't heard the

3:45

word But This is

3:47

going to be a non elimination season where

3:49

all of the contestants are going to be

3:51

competing For a prize that will be donated

3:54

to a charity of their choice Yes, and

3:56

all the Queens are getting paid and their

3:58

costumes are being paid for. Warner though don't

4:00

you worry like they're still not of get

4:03

Me episode appearance see like to the on

4:05

a regular season either. Like I believe they

4:07

are getting a stipend that is at least

4:09

the equivalent to what you would when my

4:11

one I guess nobody wants fifty thousand dollars

4:13

in the season two thousand and a say

4:15

in season three years he's into. But season

4:18

two Twenty five thousand doll. Like when is

4:20

isn't it twice? Yeah cause that yeah season

4:22

three jumped up says as seventy five thousand

4:24

dollars and knew how far with com But

4:26

anyway it's two hundred thousand dollars are gonna

4:28

be donated to the Queen's. Charity of toys

4:31

and we get the have the Queen's All

4:33

season yes as soon be a gun one.

4:35

So or yeah, do you want to just

4:37

unloads learning? Yeah. Honestly, if you go over

4:40

to the Secret Society the doesn't suck right

4:42

now. Listen to the most recent episode, a

4:44

Sticky Snacks or depending on when you listen

4:47

of is one of the more recent episodes.

4:49

We did a fall off road like one

4:51

hour episode where we talked about our opinions

4:53

about these queens and I won't lie or

4:56

probably about a quarter of it was dedicated

4:58

to our love of Chanel Cells. You

5:00

had a society A gear it's probably

5:02

I given to to say that like

5:05

we love to Now we worship that

5:07

all. Yeah! So excited to see on

5:09

Tv again. Absolutely Canal, just hands down

5:11

is the one who I'm most excited

5:13

to see because it's been over a

5:16

decade since he's had to now on

5:18

our Tv and Chanel is just one

5:20

of. Just. So entertain as

5:22

he is. Camp yeah she is just

5:25

everything easy was giving as cringe before

5:27

we had the words for Korean. as

5:29

hard as giving us camp before any

5:31

of us have even thought about reading

5:33

notes on camp. Probably I mean somebody

5:36

probably already had. but anyway, now she

5:38

now is an outstanding queen. a great

5:40

personality. If you follow her on Instagram

5:42

you know she's the Queen of Christmas

5:45

serially as Move Over Reich Harrys Yeah.

5:47

But also Chanel will let you know

5:49

that she was the first person to.

5:51

Ever walk into the workroom on Ripples

5:53

throughout Grey Seal? My lawyer lists it's

5:55

and when Repos Drag Race first came

5:57

out on two thousand and Nine, it.

6:00

The not a powerhouse that it is

6:02

now a days. These people were really

6:04

taking like a shot in the dark

6:06

and really putting themselves out there for

6:09

the world to see. A not so

6:11

accepting world like Drake has come here

6:13

very long way. Moon Scruples Drag race

6:16

first hit the airway. I'm like let's

6:18

put on underline. The beneath it should

6:20

now was also like probably I believe

6:22

the first queen on drag race that

6:25

was rock and a breastplate. Flamingo very

6:27

apparently rocking a breastplate and like that

6:29

Medusa. Look that she did where they were

6:31

just out and proud. I mean or as

6:33

somebody who was just being introduced the world

6:36

drag I know I looked at that imagine

6:38

was like. To

6:40

that yeah I thought Skyn was being pushed

6:43

around this punk as I like to have

6:45

no way you can do a nude chest

6:47

like that like it was mittens. Miss defines

6:49

me so like yeah she now has ban

6:51

unexceptionable drag queen since day one. Yeah and

6:54

I'm just so excited to see where she

6:56

has entered the capital at all. Same said

6:58

system got the at other other highlights. Got

7:01

Mack very very excited. forgotten I guess.

7:03

so talented. The So weird there so

7:05

kooky the alley. I love snow but

7:07

I think Gop Make probably has restaurants

7:09

winning the season. Yeah yeah I agree.

7:11

Yeah and then I'm Nina West. I'm

7:13

very excited for Nina West to be back.

7:15

She gave us get ready for the

7:17

spooky bitches because we we've been seen

7:19

a legendary the beginning of the spots

7:21

that the I O N El Nino

7:23

West have given us a new word.

7:26

Now. I'm on Act. Yes!

7:29

Or even between fleet Of, she gave

7:31

us a new honey and for a

7:33

while how and everyone? We don't fully

7:35

have it memorized yet, but we definitely

7:37

have the take away. Yeah, Nine com,

7:39

Heck yeah. So let give you that

7:42

get used to here and that I

7:44

now have weighed on Bialik for thoughts

7:46

and feelings on the list To Queens

7:48

are on the secret side of the

7:50

doesn't suck. I do also want to

7:52

say though I am like Low T

7:54

rooting for Vanessa dancing. The tail isn't

7:57

solely because the organization that see

7:59

his. Lane for is the S P

8:01

C A and you know we love the

8:04

animals over here. But I do want to

8:06

say I'm excited to Roxxxy Andrews back on

8:08

our screen. Love you more as I feel

8:10

like see is either. And I said this

8:13

on these Secret Society episode I feel cheated

8:15

Either make it to the top four and

8:17

and rightfully so she is like at outside

8:19

a saucer Colby probably a drag queen. Same

8:22

a drag queen yes but Sega also generally

8:24

I like it just depends on how things

8:26

and up. it's true. But like we said,

8:28

this is a non. Elimination Seattle his

8:31

any I keep forgetting every time if

8:33

anybody is struggling they're just going. Had

8:35

chug along to Milan as yes yes

8:37

yes Don't attend this little over here

8:39

Florida. So anyway the of anything else

8:41

you want to say about this season,

8:43

I don't think so. We'll definitely be

8:45

talking about it again once it airs.

8:48

But in the meantime, if you're listening,

8:50

let us know your thoughts and feelings.

8:52

Who are you excited for? Do you

8:54

like this new yeah with this new

8:56

format? And if you are not excited

8:58

for people yet I. Would invite you

9:01

to watch the entrances because they already

9:03

are up on like you tube or

9:05

whatever depending on your region blocking on

9:07

streaming stuff. but like the intro to

9:09

the episode is kind of already out.

9:11

there is a while presents channels and

9:13

when I watched that that's when the

9:15

cast really jelled for me know and

9:17

okay now I'm just really excited for

9:19

the seasons the scene because you're far

9:22

as I can all I like everyone

9:24

you know it'll be great but I

9:26

don't know how entertaining everyone will be.

9:28

but like I like the mechanism. I'm

9:30

looking forward to any to a

9:32

but I don't move on, let's

9:34

move on. Hey no A Typical

9:36

to the show. We've got the

9:39

highs and we've got a hose.

9:41

Yeah Mara drag him and will

9:43

guide. Pit. Of

9:45

despair exactly as that's basically it because

9:47

I'm going to pieces, but he gave

9:49

bullshit to share and this isn't good

9:52

news by any stretch of the imagination.

9:54

Com it comes from Mount Eyes In

9:56

in East Java in Indonesia. and if

9:59

like me, Never heard of Mount

10:01

Ida in a it's an active

10:03

volcano that contains an acidic lake

10:05

and a soul for mine food

10:07

and it has incredibly high drops.

10:09

It's like a pretty big ass

10:11

active volcano. It's known that like

10:13

her lurk liquor for describe her

10:16

give her at in a steady

10:18

sir. She is known for spewing

10:20

blue fire. Who that's kind of

10:22

years though yeah is very fear

10:24

of blue is the hardest claim

10:26

they are a angling on. of

10:28

course you might get burned. You?

10:30

yeah. But anyway, it's very known

10:32

for that, so for that reason

10:34

it does attract a lot of

10:36

tourists and National Geographic is actually

10:39

called it the most dramatic volcano

10:41

in the world of. Yup, love

10:43

that. Quite the distinction. So naturally

10:45

this draws thousands of people to

10:47

the volcano every year to gaze

10:49

on that. The beauty of it

10:51

all the drag of hit home

10:53

and out. One of those Taurus

10:55

was a thirty one year old

10:58

Chinese woman named who Ang Lee

11:00

Hong but sadly see died earlier

11:02

this month while visiting the volcano.

11:04

are paying now according to the

11:06

Toronto Sun, Wang and her husband

11:08

had climbed to the top of

11:10

Mount Eyes and with a local

11:12

tour guide. So they're basically being

11:14

brought to the top of the

11:17

mountain for her and their intention

11:19

was to watch the sunrise from

11:21

the mouth of the volcano. That

11:23

would be a beautiful experience. A

11:25

bucket list thing sure how. However,

11:27

things didn't quite go the way

11:29

they. Planned The couple were aware

11:32

of the dangers of getting

11:34

too close to the rim

11:36

of this volcano so for

11:38

most of the time they

11:40

kept their distance. But then

11:42

in one moment they decided

11:44

that they wanted to get

11:46

a photo opportunity and after

11:48

posing for a pitcher a

11:50

closer to the edge of

11:52

the volcano wang skirt hot

11:54

on something which caused her

11:56

to stumble and then caused

11:58

her to fall over. The

12:00

edge of the volcano. Yeah,

12:04

Wang fell a total of seventy

12:06

five meters which is just over

12:08

two hundred and forty six feet.

12:10

And unfortunately she died as a

12:12

result. and she didn't like a

12:14

land in you know, the mouth

12:17

of the volcano was still and

12:19

still. That is a very far

12:21

distance to fall men in a

12:23

in and unfortunately she did not

12:25

survive. What's even more harrowing about

12:27

this and this is why Think

12:29

it's like really circulating on the

12:31

internet right now is there is

12:33

the photo. Oh no

12:35

moments minutes seconds before this happened

12:37

cause she was posing for a

12:39

photo. Yeah yeah so that photo

12:42

is being circulated out there in

12:44

his chest. he er he to

12:46

see it knowing what him happened

12:48

immediately after it was taken. Ah

12:50

now it was reported that it

12:52

took rescuers more than two hours

12:54

to retrieve her body but they

12:56

were able to retrieve her body

12:58

of and and it said that

13:00

she's going to be flown back

13:02

to China and of. Course. Unfortunately,

13:04

her death has been ruled an

13:06

accident, so that's some pretty harrowing

13:08

news. Yeah, volcanoes. I really want

13:11

fuck around marijuana. Find out. No,

13:13

absolutely not. I'm in. Look, when

13:15

I'm playing people that go on

13:17

guided adventures. I mean you would

13:19

think you are in a safe

13:22

kind of environment and Iran a

13:24

guided tour shirt buds as movies.

13:26

but I'm the person that won't

13:28

even like go rollerblading down the

13:30

street because I'm certain I will

13:32

die. I have. The most intrusive thoughts

13:35

easily. I remember when we had a box

13:37

seats like into the like balcony inside his

13:39

seats at the Winter Garden Theater to see

13:41

the regular show. Oh yeah, we're I was

13:44

the one like sitting at this stage side

13:46

essentially like in the box like on the

13:48

edge of about mean the whole time we

13:50

were silly man. I kept thinking what if

13:52

I just jumped out of my seat right

13:55

now right? Like what if I just do

13:57

that Oh my god, why would want to

13:59

do that? What if I just lose control myself?

14:01

I just decided jump All of a sudden them are in the

14:03

middle of the show and than a jumper than everyone's looking. the

14:05

oh my God. What if I jump right now and then. Added

14:08

know the oh the whole time a whole

14:11

time for kind of like early back into

14:13

the days of going to see shows again

14:15

that's true that was early like I wouldn't

14:17

even may post penned up know we all

14:19

his known and on an image and I

14:21

will happen and that's the thing. Like a

14:23

few who go back to the episode A

14:25

Spooky Gables had same thing as sized. I

14:28

also had a similar kind of like experience.

14:30

And I think now that I'm a Sears

14:32

outside of that name, able to contextualize and

14:34

be like that. Was my first show. Since.

14:37

The lockdown yeah started so part of

14:39

me was also dislike. I'm stuck I

14:41

can't as walk out of i need

14:43

to ah my got all these people

14:45

bubble blah like I had some social

14:47

anxiety, I was cheap and but anyway

14:49

but yeah little all about the say

14:51

I like to go on adventures between

14:53

my ears. yeah and that's about as

14:55

exciting as it needs to be. I

14:57

love to read a book yeah you

14:59

know radiometer angrily that go by Daphne

15:01

du Maurier supported see I mean I'm

15:03

in manned early with the rest of

15:05

them darling our like I like to

15:07

explore deep space on youtube oh my

15:09

god Oh and I had goosebumps earlier.

15:11

we were watching those plant and are

15:13

those like are dropping see the planet

15:15

earth P O V videos on you

15:17

tube and length you're wearing a suit

15:19

and huge drop them from the atmosphere

15:21

on to Jupiter is and it just

15:23

shows you what the experience of. Mass

15:26

I it's of freaks me out. Yeah we got

15:28

sucked into a black hole. we gotta get a

15:30

fired. App is great. One of the few tweets

15:32

of ever me that I actually remember he is

15:35

was like a longstanding fear of mine and. It's

15:37

what of Jupiter just decided to roll up

15:39

on us one day guy. Just imagine simpler

15:41

being in the sky. like closer than the

15:43

moon one day. yeah it's huge hit survey.

15:45

have no concept of it until it's knocking

15:48

at your door the out and then he

15:50

just probably going to get pulled into imagine

15:52

gravitational pull he just become like. I

15:54

don't even I don't belong around. I don't

15:57

wanna know. Yeah, no. Anyway, we didn't We

15:59

can agree. My rabbit hole

16:01

we could have deep space is

16:03

a rabbit hole. Yeah, but anyway

16:05

I'm very sorry to hear that

16:07

this had happened. This is horrifying

16:09

noom and my our our hearts

16:11

go out to have wings families

16:13

yeah of course her husband who

16:15

is there. Any way, I just

16:17

wanna thank my source. thanks to

16:19

Toronto sun.com for the article Tourists

16:21

Dies after falling into active volcano

16:23

while posing for photos written by

16:25

Done that Wilford and published April

16:27

twenty Third, Two thousand and Twenty

16:29

Four. A movie to Tyler here.

16:31

Welcome Germany has keep your fc poop

16:33

seizes Wanna go over before we get

16:36

into a baby. Oh. She's

16:38

perfect. How honey honey. she's beautiful.

16:40

I told you that garage gas.

16:42

she looks like Linda Evangelist. I

16:44

could see that. And Mama nice

16:46

a model. Okay yeah, yeah, now

16:48

you know you're just for hims

16:50

yourself up yeah for deservedly so.

16:52

What are you? Work that spray

16:54

or a while? you got nothing.

16:56

I have nothing. although one quick

16:58

saw before we get into it

17:00

isn't. A baby Skunks to

17:02

be called a Skunk Lang. My. Oh it's

17:04

called a kid and I know Tyler google that earlier

17:07

when the talking to my mind and I was like

17:09

as a baby's gun called us complain. but now that

17:11

I know it's called a cat honey. We.

17:13

Need to petition how the names and other

17:15

they create the petitions. A Skunk playing and

17:18

and will sign. That's what it's gonna be

17:20

called. And unless something else gets said that

17:22

the warm and a call this episode just

17:24

a put it out there skunk lane. Just

17:26

it Like a big X, The made Rise

17:28

of Conklin. I love it. The As Young

17:31

Killings, The musical. Okay and I'm into Now

17:33

Where's My Skunk? Like. Saving

17:35

Private Scuttling. Oh wait, why? When

17:38

referencing movies like puns like play

17:40

on name's is Saving Private Ryan

17:42

like a V? Go to movies

17:44

has there's of for but unlike

17:46

I'd now like i don't know

17:48

like private can kind of become

17:51

an agitator yeah ending on how

17:53

you poses layers of very it's

17:55

an illustrious kind of mean that

17:57

I'm well thank you for bringing

17:59

that. Thou Johnny Yeah now I'm just

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talking about my ass know early on

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we call it the Art of Bullshit

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and yes thing do seven years of

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bullshit school? Yeah anyway yeah so Skunk

18:17

Lens let's make that happen people. but

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I'm going to be going first. Yes,

20:16

and this one is why y'all are.

20:18

No, I don't even know what other

20:20

word could possibly describe as when I

20:22

was reading this as like is is

20:24

even real Who isn't actually happen with

20:27

an thank you? Yes, it really did

20:29

happen. Man, I do want to give

20:31

a trigger warning out of the gate.

20:33

We are going to be talking a

20:35

boat, a buse here. Sir,

20:38

just be aware of that. The

20:40

cases. More. Than that kind

20:42

of. but at at the heart of it is

20:44

really is. There is a lot of abuse in

20:46

this. is not going to be incredibly. The

20:49

script. If that else. but I just

20:51

wanted to let people know maybe don't want

20:53

to hear about that yell a okay and

20:55

lake. And if you're on the sands, maybe

20:57

just load up a few videos of skunk

20:59

loons more on your phone or has birds.

21:01

There's a reason I was talking with him

21:04

earlier today. They are cute and they trot

21:06

and what true but okay do we noted

21:08

the after the trigger warning No problem about

21:10

the for this case we're going to be

21:12

going to the land of the cookie Jumper.

21:14

Oh, doing them as wrong on Australians a

21:16

reason I was talking with him earlier today.

21:18

they. Are cute and they trot and

21:21

what true but okay do we noted

21:23

the after the trigger warning no problem

21:25

about the for this case we're going

21:27

to be going to the land of

21:29

the cookie jumper. Oh doing them as

21:31

wrong on Australian means killing our we

21:33

got me thinking he jump on the

21:35

hey I love that the coup de

21:37

sweaters having a comeback momentary now began

21:40

Ever I see people in them on

21:42

Instagram I only think of caffeine can

21:44

that's a big gap is no other

21:46

reference from is it exactly you are

21:48

half and. Cow mean I see up

21:50

in your magic of the jump on

21:52

because he jeffrey we get matters. Is

21:56

just for a lawyer for a either either their

21:58

cues you don't like them. Hope that

22:00

find the the line that led by

22:03

Malware one for a laugh old are

22:05

your one. Ironically okay to Leno. But

22:07

anyway, although we're going to the

22:09

land of the coup he jumper as

22:12

this is not going to be a

22:14

nice trip down under because we're going

22:16

to be talking about the story

22:18

of Carolyn Watson and Julian Buchwald, a

22:21

true crime case from Two thousand and

22:23

Eight that is a boat as sweet

22:25

as Vegemite which is to say a

22:28

three at all. His. Marker.

22:30

So in two thousand and eight,

22:32

twenty two year old Julian a

22:34

Buck Wild had been in a

22:36

two year long relationship with Carolyn

22:38

Watson who was seventeen years old.

22:40

Ah no A seventeen the time

22:42

that started and seventeen by the

22:44

time of they were Tuesday. By

22:46

the time they were two years

22:48

the early were worry be a

22:51

wanna roll back the tapes. That

22:53

means that he would have been

22:55

twenty and see would have been

22:57

fifteen years old are they started

22:59

dating this guy. Yes, you can have

23:01

that gap later on. Yeah, but not when

23:03

one know a knob with you know

23:05

what I mean, will absolutely I know. So

23:08

you give me a look like that, that

23:10

age gap totally fine when you know

23:12

we're talking are thirty two or forty something

23:14

like that. But when we're talking. This

23:18

here's the t. Only looks

23:20

pretty messy, you don't but

23:22

I'm not going to anyway.

23:24

Affect any age gap is

23:26

fine or two Consenting adult

23:28

money if wonders you, is

23:30

not an adult. Ah ha,

23:32

that's enough for me exists.

23:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah, move. So

23:36

anyway, Red Flag number one.

23:38

Do know that now both

23:40

Julian and Carolyn were avid

23:42

churchgoers and I guess that

23:44

may be is that is

23:46

where they met. money as

23:48

such they were remaining celibate

23:51

although they did already have

23:53

plans to get married some

23:55

day that does matter that's

23:58

called grooming yeah yeah Now

24:01

Julian hoped that they would marry as soon

24:03

as Carolyn turned 18, which is probably to

24:05

say as soon as she legally could. But

24:08

apparently, Carolyn didn't really want to marry right

24:10

away. She kind of wanted to get through

24:12

high school for... Yeah. ...figure

24:14

a couple of things out and then

24:16

maybe get married. Mm-hmm. Which is totally

24:18

fair. Yeah, sorry. I probably couldn't see,

24:20

but I was just very sassily sticking

24:22

my tongue into the side of my

24:24

mouth to hold back from weaponizing it.

24:27

Yeah. And

24:29

just like a little bit of a spoil-

24:31

well, not really, no, no spoiler alert. Okay,

24:33

oh, shit. Let's just keep going. Okay. But

24:35

basically, all of this to say, they had

24:37

plans to get married, they were not married,

24:39

they were a remaining celibate, so basically, in

24:41

the meantime, in the midst of all this,

24:44

Julian had no choice but to go according

24:46

a teenager. Mm. Now,

24:49

in March 2008, Julian

24:51

asked Carolyn's parents' permission to take her

24:53

out on a picnic. Julian's

24:56

family owned- It's kind of

24:58

a permission slip. Basically. Exactly. Now,

25:01

Julian's family owned acres and acres

25:03

of property in Gippsland in Australia.

25:05

Great. And much of their

25:08

land was really untouched natural landscape, so nobody

25:10

really had to venture off

25:12

the family property to escape

25:15

into Australia's natural beauty. Mm-hmm.

25:18

Now, with her parents' permission,

25:20

Julian began to plan a

25:22

zipper-fic date. Yes. And

25:24

Julian said that they were going to

25:26

have a picnic and then plant trees.

25:28

And then we're going to cosplay abducted

25:30

in plain sight. Too

25:35

real? Well, I'm not going to say nothing.

25:37

Oh, no. I'm just going to say- I'm just going to

25:39

say the plan was to have a picnic and plant trees,

25:42

but also to have a treasure hunt. So,

25:44

Julian had planned a treasure hunt

25:47

for Carolyn around the waterfalls, and

25:49

apparently, the prize was a handmade

25:51

wooden platter. Yeah. Who

25:54

doesn't want one of those? Yeah, he's like, what do kids like

25:56

to do with picnics? Yeah. I'm like, let's

25:58

do a treasure hunt. Yeah. On March

26:00

eighth, two thousand and eight, Julian

26:03

and Carolyn set out in Julian

26:05

car to embark on that romantic

26:07

picnic date on. While on their

26:10

way to their picnic spot, Julian

26:12

spotted an animal lying on the

26:14

side of the road a dead

26:16

one and so he decided to

26:19

stop the car and check it

26:21

out. Now, Dollars! According to some

26:23

of my sources, this wasn't necessarily

26:25

uncommon for Julianne, the he tended

26:28

to stop and exam and. Road

26:30

Kill often, so this isn't necessarily

26:32

something that would have faced Carolyn

26:35

in the slightest. Okay, however, see

26:37

did not share the same fascination

26:40

for Road Kill, so she opted

26:42

to stay in the car and

26:44

paid Julianne. End of the Road

26:47

Kill? know mine totally. But then

26:49

something terrible happened. While. Julian

26:51

was away from the vehicle.

26:53

A man dressed in all

26:55

black began to approach the

26:57

car. His face was masked

26:59

by a black bullet. Hava

27:01

and Carolyn saw him for

27:04

the first time through the

27:06

rear view mirror. Now. Carolyn

27:08

had no idea where this man

27:10

had come from. they were essentially

27:12

in the middle of nowhere, but

27:14

she had no time to react

27:16

before the man opened up with

27:19

the door and pulled her out

27:21

of the car Move. After that,

27:23

Carolyn was hog tied and than

27:25

duct tape was placed over her

27:27

mouth before she was thrown into

27:29

the back seat of Julians car

27:32

My car. Shortly after that, Carolyn

27:34

felt the car begin to move

27:36

and for hours she remained. Trapped

27:38

and lying in the backseat

27:40

of the car not knowing

27:42

what was going to happen.

27:44

That god now. After six

27:46

hours of driving, the car

27:48

eventually stop and Carolyn didn't

27:50

know where she was, but

27:53

judging by all of the

27:55

trees around, it was nowhere

27:57

near civilization. And after a

27:59

few minutes. Carolyn was pulled

28:01

out of the back seat of the

28:03

car and thrown onto the ground for

28:05

and like look I know that I

28:08

reference your cause playing a certain Netflix

28:10

true crime mad Dog or whatever but

28:12

like I don't think that should lively

28:15

this is no fucking Joe. This is

28:17

no fucking joke big as why I

28:19

gave a traitor was yeah because the

28:21

shit is real, This shit is horrifying.

28:24

Oh yeah but anyway so yeah she

28:26

was pulled out of the car she

28:28

was thrown onto the. Ground and at

28:30

this point she she was hawks high so

28:33

that like hands behind your back that's a

28:35

hard fall. Two legs tied to your hands

28:37

as well. Yeah it's a very hard to

28:40

get out of. and yet the new being

28:42

thrown down on your chessmen basically because

28:44

of the position that she was and she

28:46

was unable to move had duct tape over

28:48

her mouth. she's unable to call for help.

28:51

he had no idea where Julian was and

28:53

basically just just forced to stay still

28:55

as this masked man began to remove her

28:57

clothes like running them off her body. With

29:00

a nice and as she lay

29:02

there naked on the ground Carolyn

29:04

began to hear the sound of

29:07

a shovel penetrating the earth off

29:09

in the deaths know occur. From

29:11

what she could tell her kidnapper

29:13

was digging a hole which she

29:15

assumed was going to be meant

29:18

for her. yeah ensue panic seat

29:20

was just there listening to the

29:22

shovel digging into the earth and

29:24

being a spiritual person Carolyn began

29:26

to pray because she really believed

29:29

that this was going to be

29:31

the end of her life shorter.

29:33

But then after some time the

29:35

digging stopped and she heard the

29:38

sound of the masked man. In.

29:40

Walking away or or maybe even

29:42

driving and maybe throwing himself into

29:44

the whole right now be a

29:46

good place for have decreed that

29:49

be the ideal but now okay,

29:51

stop going away. Yeah, so is

29:53

left in the woods? No idea

29:55

what's going on. Know she's just

29:57

had this radio play and handed

29:59

out. Exact yeah, it's very

30:01

nine move now. Carolyn. Was

30:03

unable to get a false sense

30:06

of her surroundings. She had no

30:08

idea where the man had gone,

30:10

but in that moment she tried

30:12

her very best to break free

30:14

from her restraints. But try as

30:16

she may, she could not on

30:18

do the ties that were holding

30:20

her down. Sure, as Carolyn continued

30:22

to struggle to break free and

30:24

save herself, she then heard a

30:26

voice. A voice that She instantly

30:29

recognized it was Julian. And in

30:31

a week into voice she could.

30:33

Hear him calling out her name.

30:35

Now there was still duct tape

30:37

on her mouth so she couldn't

30:40

get his attention. Yeah, But eventually

30:42

she felt Julians body next to

30:44

hers. And it turns out and

30:47

Julianne was also naked and tied

30:49

up. but he was able to

30:51

speak. He didn't have duct tape

30:54

on his mouth so he began

30:56

to talk to Carolyn. And as

30:58

he was talking to her asking

31:01

if she was okay, he noticed.

31:03

That there was a knife on

31:05

the ground, the knife that this

31:07

is Tacker the kidnapper had used

31:09

to remove her clothing store likely

31:11

his. and Julian maneuvered his body

31:13

in such a way that he

31:16

could take hold of the nice

31:18

and very slowly he used it

31:20

to remove his time said. okay.

31:22

So he started with his hands

31:24

and then his speed and once

31:26

Julian was free to use the

31:28

same knife to free Carolyn, who

31:30

at this point was in a

31:32

complete state. Of shock understandably. Yeah,

31:34

Now neither one of them could have

31:37

fathom the who could have done

31:39

this and why, but there is very

31:41

little time for them to stop

31:43

and think for yeah. And like all

31:45

T. From. Remeber voters Julia right?

31:47

Yeah, well here he is in the same

31:50

situation as she is right? I mean still

31:52

not out of the woods and my mind

31:54

board right arm so I'm going on the

31:56

safe. Okay the anyway. And I mean speaking

31:59

of woods, It literally that is

32:01

where they are right now and again.

32:03

They drove for hours and hours and

32:05

hours. so they had no idea where

32:08

they were. Not according to Julianne, he

32:10

had been in the trunk the entire

32:12

time ago. She was in the backseat.

32:15

He was in the trunk, so he

32:17

was. He had no sense of their

32:19

surroundings either. A The thing is, they

32:22

knew that they needed to get away,

32:24

but Julian car was nowhere to be

32:26

found. However, there were a few items

32:28

scattered around that had. Been left

32:30

there by the kidnapper of her

32:33

at this point. Julian urged

32:35

Carolyn to grab whatever she could

32:37

end. He did the same. And

32:39

the items that they were able

32:42

to make off with to included

32:44

a sleeping bag, a toothbrush, dried

32:46

coconut, peanut butter tahini, a shovel

32:48

and that. Nice. Okay, and they

32:50

got these basically assuming that the

32:53

kidnapper was may be planning on

32:55

you know, hide an outlay and

32:57

low in the woods for a

32:59

little while. Aha oh if this

33:01

stuff was left behind, he was

33:04

probably going. to be calling back to

33:06

collect it therefore they needed to get

33:08

the fuck as far away as they

33:10

possibly could exactly and then you can

33:12

attack if you need to attack and

33:14

and potentially afterward make a delightful hamas

33:16

a i just find some chick peas

33:18

put that to hear me the good

33:20

work honey re yeah i don't know

33:22

how many chick peas that are growing

33:24

in the wild in australia and but

33:26

you never know after word all i

33:28

assume free to hear me either alpha

33:30

team whose team good i mean okay

33:32

lucifer i mean even also disagree it's

33:35

over to him you're in australia honey

33:37

gov some fruit reason to hear on

33:39

at her baby anywhere idea of adam

33:41

i saw the rations were know that

33:43

luxury analysis is pretty crappy stuff i'm

33:45

too old to get i'm just looking

33:47

for something to hold on to right

33:49

but i digress yeah the thing is

33:51

they were thankful to be alive but

33:53

they were lost in the woods as

33:55

were completely naked and ruff dot and

33:57

roughed up and they had no idea

33:59

how to get back. Also, keep in mind,

34:01

they're in Australia. The Australian wilderness is nothing

34:03

to be f**ked with. Australia wants to kill

34:05

you. Basically. That's the key. That's the reason

34:07

why you gotta shake out your shoes if

34:09

you're living in Australia, because something will be

34:11

in your shoe and it might kill you.

34:14

Maybe. I was watching this video a side

34:16

note, just a little point of, even though

34:18

it's not really a point of light, but

34:20

it's just, it's a little less dark than

34:22

the current situation. Yes. I saw a video

34:24

about prehistoric Australian flora

34:26

and fauna that would kill you. Whoa. Ooh,

34:28

the creatures that were in Australia back

34:30

in the day. Like you think the big

34:32

bugs and everything are freaky now? Uh-huh. You

34:34

gotta, we'll watch the video. Oh, please. Yeah.

34:36

I'll have to check that out. Yeah. And

34:39

you can probably just look it up on

34:41

YouTube. Right. Just like big Australian prehistoric creatures

34:43

looking up after the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

34:45

It might, it might be a nice like

34:47

kind of palate cleanser after all of this.

34:49

Exactly. Again, I'm just looking for something to

34:51

hold on to. Totally. But back to the

34:53

horror show. So back to the horror show.

34:55

So they run off into the woods and

34:57

they spend literally the entire day just walking

35:00

aimlessly through the wilderness. Of

35:02

course they're not walking on

35:04

any well, like, uh,

35:07

like any distinguishable paths because they

35:09

don't want to risk being tracked.

35:11

Sure. So they're really kind of

35:13

like pulling themselves through the bush.

35:15

They're pulling themselves through bushes and

35:17

branches and it's just a bad

35:19

situation. But then this bad situation

35:22

gets worse when all of a

35:24

sudden they realized like a scene

35:26

under the fucking Blair Witch Project

35:28

that they completely walked in

35:30

a circle and ended up

35:33

exactly where they had began.

35:35

No. Yeah. That is fucked

35:37

up. That is

35:39

like ultimate desperation kicking in.

35:42

Exactly. So they kind of

35:44

realized this, but then also in that

35:46

same moment realized that they just had

35:49

to keep going and hopefully go in

35:51

a different direction this time. So back

35:53

in the woods, they went praying that

35:55

they would not be rediscovered by

35:58

the kidnapper. Now,

36:00

meanwhile, Carolyn and Julian's

36:03

absence was immediately felt.

36:06

Julian's mom had anticipated the couple

36:08

to return at 3 p.m. because

36:10

that's when they said they would

36:12

be returning. However, when

36:14

3 o'clock came and went, Julian's

36:17

mother began to worry. So she

36:19

decided to go out onto their

36:21

property and basically just stalk the

36:24

yard, kind of walk along the

36:26

roadway just to try and look

36:28

for any sign of the

36:30

couple's return, like Julian's car coming

36:33

down the road. The

36:35

thing is though, as Julian's

36:37

mom walked the property, she

36:39

stumbled upon something sticking out

36:41

of their fence. And

36:43

it was a note. And when

36:46

she opened it, she was

36:48

horrified to discover that it was

36:50

a note explaining that Carolyn and

36:52

Julian had been kidnapped by

36:55

a satanic cult. What? Yeah.

36:57

Bitch. I mean, usually you'd find

36:59

a note like that and be

37:01

like, okay. But given what

37:04

we know just went down, all I got

37:06

is bitch. And

37:09

given the fact that she is

37:11

already worried that they are late,

37:14

she finds this basically ransom note

37:16

on the perimeter of the property.

37:18

Rancid ransom note. Yeah. There

37:22

are bigger, more full descriptions of

37:24

what this note entailed, although I

37:26

couldn't find anything in any primary

37:28

sources. So I'm not going to

37:31

repeat much of what was allegedly

37:33

said in the note. However, the

37:35

note did have various satanic symbols

37:38

etched all over it. And

37:40

the note essentially warned Julian's

37:42

family not to go to

37:44

the police. The

37:47

note claimed that if they contacted

37:49

the police, Carolyn would be sexually

37:52

assaulted and then burned alive.

37:54

However, the note said if

37:57

they remained silent, that

37:59

Julian would be murdered. and Carolyn

38:01

would eventually be returned to them

38:04

unharmed. Now, despite

38:06

this very serious threat, Julian's

38:09

mother immediately contacted the police and

38:11

girl, I would do exactly the

38:13

same. If I'm getting a note

38:15

telling me not to contact the

38:17

police, it's probably gonna

38:19

be the first thing I do. Yeah,

38:22

that's a big fuck you to the

38:24

no writer. Exactly. Yeah. The thing is,

38:26

after she contacted the police, the couple

38:29

were immediately reported missing and

38:31

a search for Carolyn and Julian was

38:33

on. Mm-hmm. Now,

38:36

the police started looking around the

38:38

Buckwald's property first because that's where

38:40

the couple was supposed to be

38:42

picnicking. Sure. But like I said

38:45

earlier, their property was huge, like

38:47

big, big, big, vast open

38:49

spaces. So this search

38:51

proved to be difficult and fruitless.

38:53

The property was so vast full

38:55

of bushland terrain that it was

38:57

just not easy to navigate and

39:00

a lot of it had to

39:02

be navigated on foot. Now,

39:04

at this time, the police had

39:07

already learned that Carolyn's family had

39:09

actually received a similar note to

39:11

the Buckwald's 10 days

39:14

earlier. Really? Yeah,

39:16

so this was the second note. Carolyn's

39:19

father discovered the first note on

39:21

their front porch and it was

39:23

handwritten and

39:25

it warned them to, quote, stay away or

39:28

they would make their lives miserable, end quote,

39:30

and it would also state that they would,

39:32

quote, destroy their family.

39:34

Okay. The letter was,

39:37

of course, reported to the police, but

39:39

at the time, the police basically just

39:41

deemed that it seemed like a product

39:43

of a practical joke and nothing else

39:46

was really done about it. Real funny.

39:48

Uh-huh. Okay. Now, of course,

39:51

These two notes were quickly linked

39:53

and a handwriting analysis determined that

39:55

both notes were written by the

39:57

same person. Yeah. It

40:00

looked a little bit deeper into

40:02

the sea Tannic symbols on the

40:04

notes. It revealed a possible suspect

40:06

and a possible motive as they

40:08

were linked back to ac panic

40:10

neo nazi group called of the

40:12

Order of the Nine and Goals

40:15

or the Oh and A or

40:17

the Oh Nine A I think

40:19

I've heard I need for it's

40:21

like vaguely familiar in the Spooky

40:23

you t were sure? Yeah, probably

40:25

when looking up live. Weird.

40:28

Called some said like definitely yeah

40:30

because this this group was founded

40:32

in the Uk during like the

40:34

nineteen sixties into the seventies and

40:37

although they've remained pretty small, they

40:39

have solely been spreading throughout the

40:41

world ever since. I'm from what

40:44

I can tell the Oh in

40:46

A is not really aligned with

40:48

any other satanist groups because by

40:51

a large most satanist aren't not

40:53

see ah ha And also most

40:55

other say this groups usually advocate.

40:58

Free well like a little as a new

41:00

for usually pretty chill all t yeah they're

41:02

not about all that other stars with you

41:04

know some of them lead you to believe

41:06

or for the sake of like. Though

41:08

walls religiously speak and exactly as my

41:11

it's not that the they could be

41:13

a little troll a holiday and we

41:15

love for that. Yeah now the thing

41:17

is, although a lot of Satan is

41:19

groups, like I said advocate free well

41:21

the oh in A and does not.

41:24

they advocate a spiritual path in which

41:26

practitioners are required. Not. Encouraged

41:28

to required to break societal

41:30

taboos by isolating themselves from

41:33

society, committing crimes, embracing political

41:35

extremism and violence, and carrying

41:37

out acts of human sacrifices.

41:40

Yeah, Okay, so it naturally

41:42

after analyzing the letters sent

41:44

to the families of the

41:47

missing couple, the police believed

41:49

that perhaps they were kidnapped

41:51

by the sadness of the

41:54

Oh and A and the

41:56

very real. Fear now was

41:58

that Carolyn and. The and

42:00

might have been kidnapped to be

42:02

made into some sort of human

42:05

sacrifice. Which. Knock.

42:07

To no, Absolutely not as yeah.

42:11

I know about take right? Yeah, a

42:13

yeah, I'm worried. I really with an

42:15

honor novel. Am I mean in some

42:17

cultures at some point in time, being

42:20

a human sacrifice was very honorable? Yeah,

42:22

but not in this moment. Not at

42:24

all. Ah, now for days the police

42:26

continue to work around the clock searching

42:28

for any sign of Carolyn and Julianne.

42:31

But with each passing day, there were

42:33

no signs of either one of them

42:35

and they were no closer to. Being

42:37

found, the weren't any even clues that

42:40

we could find. It was just like

42:42

they completely disappeared without a trace. Sox?

42:44

Okay, yeah, the thing is though, the

42:46

fact that they couldn't find any trace

42:49

of them is largely due to the

42:51

fact that they weren't looking in the

42:53

right places because they had no idea

42:56

that Julian and Carolyn had been taken

42:58

to the wilderness six hours away our

43:00

the house core. Yeah, but even still

43:03

have a longer, Carolyn and Julian remained

43:05

missing. the more the police and. Unfortunately,

43:07

they're fake it week and unable to

43:10

escape. yeah, quite literally naked and afraid

43:12

he one hundred per se. Ah, this

43:14

is. Yeah, this is exactly that he

43:16

noted the show. but this is the

43:19

real deal. Yeah, like fuck that show

43:21

it by comparison. Yeah this. yeah. and

43:23

those people usually people who want to

43:26

be there to enter their by joy

43:28

and we are comparing and it's normally

43:30

yeah. Now Julian told Carolyn that they

43:32

were likely kidnapped by satanists. And.

43:35

Shadows the pair took the most

43:37

rocket Roots are. They continued to

43:39

take the most rugged routes through

43:41

the forest in an attempt to

43:43

remain hidden by now as their

43:45

skin was burned and blistered from

43:48

the sun. But this was also

43:50

fall in Australia so the temperatures

43:52

at night time tended to drop

43:54

and it became very cold and

43:56

Carolyn and Julian without any clothing

43:58

and just a sleeping. Ig struggled

44:01

to stay warm of

44:03

now on more than

44:05

one occasion Julian try

44:07

to suggest that maybe

44:09

they should have sex

44:11

to stay warm. Okay,

44:13

but. Despite. His prodding

44:16

heroin refused on their fourth a

44:18

night in the woods. So four

44:20

days into this guy and said

44:22

to her that he didn't think

44:25

that they were going to make

44:27

it out alive. he was pretty

44:29

sure that they were going to

44:31

die from the cold. So he

44:33

told the Carolyn that they should

44:36

marry quote in the eyes of

44:38

God as a symbolic gesture before

44:40

they die or we should have

44:42

sex as well before we do.

44:44

Is also allow for the warm

44:47

right. but every get married in

44:49

the eye of god oh on

44:51

some made our relations or headache

44:53

of getting my dick war right

44:55

and wasting a bunch of energy

44:58

and burn cowardly right gray. But

45:00

we can do all of that

45:02

before we die. That a person

45:04

that's basically what he's proposing yea

45:06

or something I target has sort

45:09

of the about. The

45:11

thing is that despite this, Grooming.

45:15

Carolyn refused see express that she

45:17

did not want to go against

45:19

her parents' wishes she didn't wanna

45:21

get married in the woods or

45:23

yeah, the I have guy know

45:25

and not the moment. Yeah, we're

45:28

still holding out faith like see

45:30

believe that God would say that

45:32

The Senses barrister for Perthshire Now

45:34

after two more days of walking

45:36

around in the woods, Caroline's prayers

45:38

would be answered of her shortly

45:41

after stumbling out of the woods

45:43

into a clear. and the pair

45:45

were discovered by a farmer

45:47

who immediately help them get

45:49

to safety that's great they

45:51

were saved carolyn and julian

45:54

called their families who were

45:56

elated to hear from them

45:58

to know that they were

46:00

okay, at least, you know, okay

46:03

in the sense that they were not dead

46:05

or murdered or sacrificed. And

46:07

after being checked out at the hospital,

46:09

the two families were reunited. Now

46:12

the fact that Carolyn and Julian

46:14

were alive was also like very

46:16

good news for the police, because

46:18

that means they didn't have a

46:20

homicide case on their hands. However,

46:22

it was still up to them

46:25

to try and figure out what

46:27

had happened to Carolyn and Julian.

46:29

So shortly after their return, the

46:31

police asked to speak with each

46:33

of them separately. Yeah, and they're

46:35

like, you're alive. That's great. You're

46:37

still a groomer. Yeah. There's

46:39

that part. Right. Not

46:41

that we wish you dead. We just wish you better.

46:43

But you're kind of a creep. You're

46:45

just, we wish you not creepy. Exactly.

46:48

Not traumatizing people. How about that? Yeah.

46:51

Yeah. Anyway. Now

46:53

during this interview process, Carolyn explained exactly

46:55

what had happened. And for the most

46:58

part, Julian's story was the same, save

47:00

for his knowledge about the Satanists who

47:02

kidnapped them. Because if you remember, he

47:04

told Carolyn that he believed that they

47:07

were kidnapped by Satanists. Yeah. The thing

47:09

is, at first the police believed

47:12

him because there was a letter that was

47:14

found at Carolyn's parents. Sure, yeah. But then

47:16

when they gave it another thought, they began

47:18

to wonder, how could Julian

47:20

have known about the Satanists if he

47:22

hadn't been shown the letter? Right.

47:25

Because it's true his parents received

47:27

the same sort of threatening letter

47:30

from the Satanists. Yeah. But

47:33

that was discovered after he and Carolyn

47:35

went missing. So in theory, he should

47:37

have no idea about these notes. And

47:39

what year is this again? Okay.

47:43

So like post-Satanic panic.

47:45

Very post. Okay. Yeah.

47:48

But still kind of riding on that fear. Oh, 100%. Yeah.

47:51

I mean, that fear never really went away. Especially

47:54

for some people. Yeah. Okay. So

47:56

anyway, they're just kind of like, this is weird. So let's

47:58

have a- another little sit-down

48:01

with Julian. Yeah. So that's what

48:03

the police did. They ended up

48:05

sitting him down and started asking

48:07

him more questions. And at

48:09

first Julian stuck to his story, but

48:11

after being pressed a little further by

48:13

the police, he quickly

48:15

gave up and he decided

48:18

to be honest. Really? So

48:20

according to Julian, he

48:22

had staged the entire kidnapping himself.

48:24

Motherfucker, I knew it! And he

48:26

did it in an attempt to

48:28

convince Carolyn to marry

48:33

and or have sex with

48:36

him. Motherfucker! Yeah. You have

48:38

no game. Your bullshit is

48:41

transparent. I

48:43

wanted to think better. I wanted to

48:45

think that I was being a bitch. Nope. You

48:47

were right. I am a

48:49

bitch, but also, ooh. Yeah, isn't

48:51

this fucked up? Oh my god,

48:53

I'm turning into like a whisper troll.

48:55

I just like, I can't. I can't.

48:58

I can see the steam. How much

49:01

rolliness is just coming through? But

49:03

yeah, he did all of this

49:05

just because he wanted to have

49:07

sex. There were never

49:10

any Satanists and Julian had

49:12

written the notes and he

49:14

just faked everything else.

49:16

Oh my god. When Carolyn was

49:18

attacked by the man in the

49:21

mask, it was him. Yeah. It

49:23

was him the whole entire time.

49:25

Uh huh. Now, prior

49:28

to March 8th, which would have been

49:30

the day they went missing, the

49:32

day, well, missing, I don't know. She

49:34

went missing. Yeah. He didn't. Exactly. But

49:36

prior to March 8th, Julian had actually

49:38

strategically placed the roadkill along the route

49:40

that he knew that he would be

49:42

taking so that he would have an

49:44

excuse to get out of the car.

49:46

Just go out and pee! Yeah. You

49:48

fucking psychopath. Right? No. Oh my god.

49:50

He had to gawk at roadkill. Of

49:53

course. Because that was more believable. Of

49:55

course. Because it's a movie. Yeah. But

49:57

basically when he got out of the

49:59

car, he dressed as a kidnapper,

50:01

and he attacked Carolyn. He then

50:03

drove them out to the woods,

50:05

and when Carolyn heard him digging

50:07

a hole in the ground, he

50:10

wasn't digging a grave. Instead, he

50:12

was digging a hole to dispose

50:14

of evidence, which consisted of their

50:16

torn clothing. A map of

50:18

the area they were in was also

50:22

buried in this hole. Motherfucker.

50:24

And Julian's car was never

50:26

stolen, instead he just parked

50:28

it far away out of

50:30

sight. He stashed it. Motherfucker.

50:33

So, smell it on him. As

50:35

you already know, in reality,

50:37

they were never really lost.

50:41

Julian knew exactly where they were

50:43

the entire time, and he forced

50:45

Carolyn to walk aimlessly in literal

50:47

circles in an attempt to break

50:49

her down and convince her to

50:52

have sex with him. That's

50:54

how pathetic you are! You can't

50:57

even get sex the normal way!

50:59

You've gotta do all that shit,

51:01

right? You disgusting pigfucker!

51:03

Plus, the thing is, he already

51:06

knows that this person who he's

51:08

chosen to be in a relationship

51:10

with doesn't want to have sex

51:12

until she's married and she's 17,

51:14

so obviously she's not ready to

51:16

get married. So you, sir, you

51:18

22 year old sir,

51:20

like, groomer. This isn't working

51:23

for you, just break up. Yeah,

51:25

because clearly,

51:27

you're Matthew McConaughey and

51:29

Day Houston confused, and you keep

51:31

getting older and they'll just stay

51:33

the same age, so you can

51:35

move on, but you shouldn't, because

51:37

you suck, and you deserve nothing.

51:40

Your dick deserves to fall off. And

51:43

still, you should be able to get no pleasure.

51:46

Because you don't need a dick to get pleasure.

51:48

Mama, there are many things you can do. I

51:50

want you to have nothing. I want

51:52

your prostate to dry up and turn to

51:54

dust. Poop out your prostate. I want

51:57

you, absolutely, I want you to feel every inch

51:59

of it. And then I want to

52:01

turn into dust after comes out you're like all

52:03

that for that to turn into dust right yes

52:05

Because you deserve it 100% so yeah

52:07

the entire time they're in the woods He knew exactly

52:09

where they were he could have taken them gotten them

52:12

out of the woods in Any

52:14

moment that he wanted to but

52:16

instead he he led her on

52:18

for six days almost an entire

52:20

week But then Julian

52:22

realized that Carolyn wasn't going to

52:25

break her celibacy So he basically

52:27

gave up and then discreetly led

52:29

her out of the wood. He

52:31

did everything but go come on And

52:34

I'm sure he probably does that yeah point

52:36

come on right come on and also it

52:38

probably goes without saying But all of the

52:41

items that the quote-unquote kidnapper left behind Were

52:44

planted by Julian because he didn't want

52:46

them to actually starve to death so

52:48

he gave them some rations Yeah, sure

52:50

and also I guess oral health is

52:52

really important to him because there's also

52:54

toothbrush of course but anyway Now

52:58

that the truth had come out

53:00

everyone was completely shocked Mm-hmm, and

53:02

it took no time at all

53:05

for the police to formally arrest

53:07

Julian who was charged with kidnapping

53:09

and making a false report Mm-hmm

53:12

now shortly after his arrest

53:14

Julian was released on bail

53:18

Yeah, okay, and although he'd most certainly

53:20

be facing jail time He wouldn't have

53:22

to start serving any of that time

53:25

until the date of his sentencing which

53:27

would be scheduled for the fall of

53:30

2009 oh great well that just gives him a few more

53:33

months to appear on an episode of to catch a predator

53:35

Yeah, oh the thing is

53:38

when the day of his sentencing

53:40

came Julian buckwald was nowhere to

53:43

be found. He did not show

53:45

up at court of

53:47

course Julian's lawyers defended him in

53:49

his absence stating that he lacked

53:52

empathy because he suffered from a

53:54

pervasive Development disorder

53:56

however the judge really wasn't on the

53:59

side of the defense and ended

54:01

up sentencing Julian to seven years

54:03

and nine months in jail for

54:06

kidnapping, making a false report, and

54:08

now for jumping bail. Great. Now,

54:10

after his sentencing, the police tried

54:13

to locate Julian, but no one

54:15

had any idea where he had

54:17

gone. He

54:20

was on the run. And hopefully he

54:22

just went back into that hole that

54:24

he dug. Right? Yeah. That

54:26

would be very poetic. That's not exactly what happened

54:29

though. The Australian authorities would soon

54:31

learn that Julian Buckwald had

54:33

been detained in Singapore after

54:35

trying to flee the country.

54:37

Okay. So it turns

54:40

out Julian had been able to

54:42

secure a fake Indian passport and

54:44

used it to try and get

54:46

out of Australia. So

54:48

he went to the airport with this

54:50

fake passport to try and get into

54:53

India. And in an

54:55

attempt to look less Caucasian, Julian

54:57

dyed his hair and his eyebrows

54:59

jet black and then covered

55:01

himself in fake tan to try

55:03

and achieve a darker complexion. Basically,

55:05

he put himself up in brown

55:07

face. Yeah. Like an

55:09

asshole. Wow. As if you

55:12

couldn't make yourself more of

55:14

a disgusting piece of shit. Yeah. He

55:16

found a way. He did. There

55:18

you go. Now, this disguise seemed

55:20

to fool the Australian airport authorities because

55:22

he was let through and he was

55:24

allowed to go on the plane and

55:26

he was on his way to India.

55:28

However, when he landed in India, the

55:30

authorities in India were like, no,

55:33

honey. Yeah. Nah. They were like,

55:35

you can take that elsewhere. Yeah.

55:39

They saw through his disguise right away.

55:41

So they denied him entry into the

55:43

country and sent him back

55:45

to Australia. And on this trip

55:47

back, he stopped in Singapore and

55:49

that's where he was detained. And

55:51

then shortly after that, he was

55:54

basically extradited back to Australia where

55:56

he was immediately carted off to

55:58

jail. Yay! Okay.

56:02

For this, for trying to flee the

56:04

country, Julian received an additional six months

56:06

of prison time. Oh, okay. Which

56:09

seems pretty lenient, because that seems

56:11

like a pretty serious offense. Right?

56:13

Okay. But anyway, it said that

56:15

his intention was to go to Germany to

56:17

live with his family, because

56:19

Julian was actually German. He was born

56:22

in Germany, although his family, when he

56:24

was just a baby, moved to Australia.

56:26

So Australia is basically the only place

56:28

he ever really knew, because that's

56:31

where he was raised, but he

56:33

wasn't actually a Australian

56:35

citizen. Okay, I get what you

56:37

mean. Yeah. Now, in

56:40

2011, Julian did try to appeal his

56:42

sentence, saying that he felt that it

56:44

was excessive, however, given that Julian could

56:46

have been locked away for 25 years

56:48

for the crimes that he committed, she

56:50

should have. The Court of Appeals considered

56:52

that seven and a half years was

56:55

pretty fair, and they denied his request

56:57

for an appeal. They're like, in fact,

56:59

the Court of Appeals wants to say,

57:01

suck it, Julian. Exactly. Yeah.

57:05

Now, in 2014, the Immigration

57:07

and Border Protection Department in

57:09

Australia informed Julian that his

57:12

permanent residency visa was currently

57:14

under review. And

57:16

despite the fact that he

57:18

lived in Australia his entire

57:20

life, Julian never bothered to

57:23

apply for citizenship, like full

57:25

citizenship. Okay. And

57:27

so shortly after this review,

57:29

his visa was canceled.

57:32

So when Julian was released from

57:34

prison, he was deported to Germany,

57:37

having never been there, having never

57:39

lived there, not knowing a lick

57:41

of German. And you know what?

57:44

For some people, I would feel

57:46

for them. Like,

57:48

you know, people who grew up

57:50

in the US, you know, who

57:53

come from immigrant families and

57:55

have issues with citizenship and get

57:57

shipped out. Like that is, that's...

58:00

fucked up and terrifying for people in a lot of

58:02

cases. Yeah, not a good situation. It's broken. No.

58:05

Oh, exactly. That's broken fucked. Exactly.

58:08

It really is. But in

58:11

this case, I have very little humanity left

58:13

in my system for this person. I know,

58:15

right? You know, like, I mean, there's a

58:17

base level of humanity there. Yeah. But

58:20

he can... But to quote Tiffany New

58:22

York Pollard, you can choke. You

58:24

can choke. That's it. Like,

58:27

I feel bad for his family, his parents,

58:29

his sister, everybody who is... Living in Australia.

58:31

All those people also haven't been associated with

58:33

him. Ooh, that sucks. Exactly. But

58:37

anyway, he was sent back to Germany,

58:39

and we really don't know what happened

58:41

to him after that. Well, if you're

58:44

listening, get fucked. And

58:46

not in the pleasurable Berlin kind of way,

58:48

you know what I mean? Yeah. Get

58:51

bent, basically. Exactly. Yeah,

58:53

get bent and then fuck. No, not even that. That

58:55

can be fun in a Berlin kind of way. Anyway.

58:58

You get what I mean. Fuck

59:01

you. Now, as far as Carolyn is concerned,

59:03

I think we can all agree that she

59:05

has suffered enough. Yeah. She's never

59:07

really spoken publicly about her experiences,

59:09

and that is absolutely okay. Yup.

59:12

She was a kid when this

59:14

happened, so she deserves her privacy,

59:16

and I really just hope that

59:18

she's doing well. But

59:20

with that being said, that is

59:22

the horrifying true story of Carolyn Watson

59:25

and Julian Buckwald. And can I also just

59:27

throw that out there? I've said a lot

59:29

of shit about this guy. I

59:31

also hope that from this, he can

59:33

learn and become a really good person.

59:35

Maybe he'll fuck this guy, but I

59:37

just hope that he has a turning

59:39

point and starts to put good into

59:41

the world because that would be what

59:43

one should do next. Yeah. You're

59:46

lucky to be out there in the world as it is. Exactly.

59:48

So the least you can do is some fucking good. Yeah. So

59:51

offset all the awful things you've done. For the world's

59:53

sake. Yeah. Hopefully he's learned his

59:55

fucking lesson. Yeah. And

59:57

on that note, I'm going to thank my source. Thanks

1:00:01

to the free library.com for an article

1:00:03

written by The Daily Record from Glasgow,

1:00:05

Scotland called, Satanic Kidnap a Fake. That

1:00:07

was published on March 15, 2008. Thanks

1:00:11

to the Sydney Morning Herald for the

1:00:14

article, Kidnapper Fled to India to Avoid

1:00:16

Jail, Court Told. That was written

1:00:18

by Adrian Lowe on October 21, 2009. Thanks

1:00:22

to abc.net.au, and that's the

1:00:24

Australian Broadcasting Company, or

1:00:27

the article, Gipson Man Appeals Kidnap

1:00:30

Sentence. That was written by Pedda Carlin

1:00:32

and published on August 25, 2011. Thanks

1:00:36

to theage.com.au for the article, Fake

1:00:39

Indian Kidnapper Loses Appeal. That was

1:00:41

written by Andrea Petrie on December

1:00:43

20, 2011. Thanks

1:00:46

to newspapers.com for giving me

1:00:49

access to the Ventura County

1:00:51

Star article called, Masking His

1:00:53

True Intentions. That was published

1:00:55

on January 4, 2013. Thanks

1:00:58

once again to theage.com.au for

1:01:00

the article, Nailed, Bailed, Jailed, Then Derailed,

1:01:03

The Bush Plot that Cost a Man

1:01:05

His Country. That was written by John

1:01:07

Sylvester and published April 27, 2016. Thanks

1:01:12

to medium.com for a few articles, actually. The

1:01:14

first one, Being Teen and Her Boyfriend Were

1:01:17

Abducted by a Satanic Cult and Left in

1:01:19

the Woods, or Were They? Written

1:01:21

by J.E. Mercedes on January 14, 2022. medium.com

1:01:26

again for the article, Kidnapping Carolyn

1:01:28

Watson. That was written by Natasha

1:01:30

Lee on September 10, 2022. And

1:01:34

another medium.com article, The Insanely Bizarre

1:01:36

Kidnapping that Turned into an International

1:01:38

Hunt from Boyfriend Drama to Satanic

1:01:40

Cults. This story has everything. That

1:01:42

was written by Shambhaga, Laxshimi, and

1:01:45

published February 14, 2023. And

1:01:49

by Boyfriend Drama, you mean Groomer Drama.

1:01:51

Groomer Let's not forget. Thanks

1:01:53

as well to yourtango.com for the article, A

1:01:56

Man's Stage in Abduction to Convince His Christian

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Girlfriend to Marry Him. putting it

1:02:00

lightly. That was written by John Subtholm on August 7, 2023. And

1:02:02

then finally, thanks

1:02:06

to isdglobal.org for information on

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the order of the nine

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to talk about my topic. So Tyler,

1:03:36

I'm not going to say that I'm happy

1:03:38

to have just learned about the things that

1:03:40

I learned about. But what I will say

1:03:42

is that in terms of the arc of

1:03:44

today's episode, it's kind

1:03:46

of good that you win first because I'm

1:03:48

going to give us a soft bed to

1:03:50

land in today. Oh, good. I think we

1:03:53

need it. Honey, no one's going to die.

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Siberia either. Oh whimsical alien story

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The hook is how you heard

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and also on it has to

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this one has everything. Today I

1:04:25

am going to be talking about

1:04:27

the case of the Mince Pie

1:04:29

Maher. Said you know this one

1:04:31

Tyler though it's get into add

1:04:33

let's live in this world for

1:04:35

a while Salary and Bullitt deplore

1:04:38

let's live above his move from

1:04:40

and is Lou okay and way

1:04:42

for this case we are going

1:04:44

to be taking a mental Vic

1:04:46

has seen on back to Nineteen

1:04:48

Seventy Nine in the community of

1:04:50

Rowley Regis which is a small

1:04:52

community even just town. Honestly for

1:04:54

him to be specific and will

1:04:56

say that because I'm from a

1:04:59

village and that should mean something

1:05:01

to harm but it's a small

1:05:03

town and near the city of

1:05:05

Birmingham in West Midlands England. Yeah,

1:05:07

I. A bid to those of you who

1:05:09

that matters something to. very ago when I

1:05:11

think of the West Midlands, I just think

1:05:14

of Ginny Lemon from Drag Race Season to

1:05:16

Use Air. She's from the As Yes, he

1:05:18

is an absolute bastards of a drag queen

1:05:20

and I believe that the The Beast the

1:05:22

West Midlands she said does that a Us

1:05:24

Only serious for a minute. Road.

1:05:26

Resist lovely community isn't But as

1:05:28

I was learning about it I

1:05:30

saw that in Twenty Twenty Two

1:05:33

on Bell and which is Naturals

1:05:35

Street in the community of Really

1:05:37

Regis they erect if he gets

1:05:39

a out Bell end of the

1:05:41

year statue. Yeah

1:05:43

now it didn't last the year. Some

1:05:45

odd it was in honor of the

1:05:48

person nominated bell end of the year

1:05:50

by whoever a decided upon enemy. Look

1:05:52

I agree with them but it was

1:05:55

to honor Vladimir Putin and. His

1:05:57

invasion of Ukraine ah

1:05:59

says. Firm absolute bell and

1:06:01

behavior is suso. This honor koran

1:06:03

Korea is actually more but this

1:06:05

yeah because bell and is slang

1:06:07

for dick head Id louise. Yes

1:06:09

yeah yeah the bell and is

1:06:12

specifically the the boldness end of

1:06:14

the deck exactly Think huge I'm

1:06:16

a collins and repost accuracy case

1:06:18

mans came that's was hurting the

1:06:20

world. Yeah they did. but anyway

1:06:22

it's Emma Collins aside as a

1:06:24

had the statue it again it

1:06:26

only lasted so long. But what

1:06:28

I want to serve. For a community

1:06:31

so small it made it's way onto the Wikipedia

1:06:33

page acid I mean that's a good media has

1:06:35

as good sense of humor and yeah absolutely what

1:06:37

I mean. I will say there are some people

1:06:40

in the communities I want to change the name

1:06:42

of the street to bells road but hundred it

1:06:44

will always be bell and like you could

1:06:46

even try at this point but enough people have

1:06:48

had their photo taken yeah we have that's fine

1:06:51

that's like of see tried to see dildo nice

1:06:53

and land or something else he i wouldn't worry

1:06:55

I to like personal massager new somewhere like it's

1:06:57

of it wouldn't be the same you know I

1:07:00

mean I'm not. The. Yeah

1:07:02

unfortunately it's a further never

1:07:04

seen her and and if

1:07:07

it does a mound for

1:07:09

didn't like the of making

1:07:12

and damn anyway i've proven

1:07:14

is a total bell and

1:07:16

but. Ah sorry. This

1:07:18

is where we are. A quaint

1:07:21

town with a big bell and

1:07:23

as remind you we are in

1:07:25

Nineteen seventy Nine, where it's just

1:07:27

after the New Year. A woman

1:07:29

named Gene Kingly had a rather

1:07:32

strange encounter at her home on

1:07:34

Bluestone Walk. So let's zoom an

1:07:36

admittedly through not a time of

1:07:38

biographical information out there on Gene

1:07:40

Anglia Abs. And that's kind of

1:07:43

understandable though she was a private

1:07:45

citizen, so whatever. But judging by

1:07:47

heard. Death stayed. I can

1:07:49

tell it's he was born

1:07:51

in and around nineteen Twenty

1:07:53

two allegedly Look I and

1:07:55

I say allegedly because. in

1:07:58

an article where everyone else has she said

1:08:00

they say she's 43 so I don't call

1:08:02

no names. Someone's age is their own business

1:08:04

and you know you can keep that biography

1:08:06

secret if you want to. But I'm going

1:08:09

to say there's some contention. Yeah, she was

1:08:11

being a little complimentary that day. I did

1:08:13

find an obituary though from 1982 that said

1:08:15

that she was 60 years old when she

1:08:18

died. So I'm just saying. Maybe she aged

1:08:20

really fast. Exactly. But anyway,

1:08:22

given what we know with the

1:08:24

calendar around the time of the

1:08:27

encounter in 1979, she

1:08:29

would have been approximately 57-ish. Not

1:08:32

43, but for the sake of fun, let's

1:08:34

say 43. At that point she was living

1:08:36

at her home in Rolly Regis with her

1:08:38

own bellend named Cyril and had been for

1:08:40

the last 9 years. That

1:08:44

places them moving into the home

1:08:46

in and around 1970. Are you getting

1:08:49

all this investigative math by the way? I am. Now,

1:08:52

Gene worked at a factory making

1:08:55

sound proofing for cars while Cyril

1:08:57

worked at a place called Cement

1:08:59

Works, which depending on where you

1:09:01

are could either be a bathhouse or an

1:09:03

actual factory. Turns out it was a factory.

1:09:05

Okay, it really is 50-50. Yeah,

1:09:08

or like a cement yard, whatever a cement

1:09:10

plant is called. He worked where the cement

1:09:12

came from. Right. He was a cement maker.

1:09:14

Exactly. And I

1:09:17

don't know if they had kids, but I can confirm

1:09:19

that they had a dog. An Alsatian,

1:09:21

which turns out is an old

1:09:23

way to say German Shepherd. And

1:09:26

the name, we don't love it in

1:09:28

the current culture, but it was a dog

1:09:30

named Hobo. Oh, h-o-b-o. But

1:09:34

see, this probably would have been the time when the

1:09:36

littlest Hobo was a thing. Oh, yeah. Right. And that

1:09:38

was a dog, right? That was. And it was

1:09:40

a German Shepherd. Okay. That's why. Yeah, I watched

1:09:42

it when I was a little kid. Look at

1:09:44

the investigative journalism coming from over me now. I

1:09:47

know. My God. Anyway, at

1:09:49

the time, just so you have it in your mind's eye, in

1:09:51

1979, Hobo was two and a half years old. A

1:09:55

little baby. Yeah. Anyway, the home that they lived

1:09:57

in was one of few homes that was on

1:09:59

the way. Small state which according to

1:10:01

Gene was surrounded by war is making

1:10:04

a like a pretty quiet existence for

1:10:06

the to, although maybe not so much

1:10:08

following the morning of January Fourth of

1:10:10

Nineteen Seventy Nine. When the events of

1:10:13

the case take place in some let's

1:10:15

get into it as yeah, That day

1:10:17

on January Fourth, Nineteen Seventy Nine it

1:10:20

was a cold and dark snow covered

1:10:22

morning on Bluestone Walk and at about

1:10:24

seventy Am a Gene had started heard

1:10:26

Bays by senior husband Zero off for

1:10:29

his day of. Work She was standing

1:10:31

at the back door with their dog hobo

1:10:33

by her side. She waved him off the

1:10:35

back door phased out onto the road. Poker

1:10:37

games are homeless on an estate so they

1:10:40

all the more like the only home like

1:10:42

in the yard. So I do with the

1:10:44

location. She's like at the back door the

1:10:46

house but she's actually facing the road with

1:10:49

the dog waving at her husband as he

1:10:51

drives away. I get it. Yeah yeah, sometimes

1:10:53

the houses are built before the what the

1:10:55

first excuse me at the of times the

1:10:58

houses were built before the roads were. And

1:11:00

then the road, so makes sense. Yeah,

1:11:03

exactly yeah. just like an wonderland that's

1:11:05

right edge toilets anyway. so ah, they're

1:11:07

doing that. It's all cute cereals. On

1:11:09

his way out at seven o'clock again

1:11:11

it's dark and at this point Gene

1:11:13

is like it seems a little extra

1:11:16

up right in the yard. Okay, she

1:11:18

thinks that maybe Cyril had just left

1:11:20

them light on the carport or something

1:11:22

like that because they do have the

1:11:24

slate little home with i'm touched Car

1:11:27

poor not he and it's a cute

1:11:29

little by little mermaid. A little

1:11:31

hood it driveway here exactly. So

1:11:33

essentially Gene is things that you

1:11:35

know it's and left on. so

1:11:37

she decides he's gonna go up

1:11:39

there and turn it off. However

1:11:41

when seen steps out into the

1:11:43

backyard t a walk over to

1:11:45

the carport and turn the light

1:11:47

off isn't she realizes that the

1:11:49

life that is shining and the

1:11:51

backyard isn't actually from the car

1:11:53

part. In fact the carport light

1:11:55

is completely turned off. So Genes

1:11:57

pretty puzzled year yeah like seemed.

1:12:00

For hims like the switch is in

1:12:02

place so she starts back for or

1:12:04

home with Hobo by her side and

1:12:06

was at this time the team notice

1:12:08

that in our front yard a was

1:12:10

suddenly being overtaken by the psych warm

1:12:13

orange colored lights that was coming from

1:12:15

seemingly somewhere nearby but also just kind

1:12:17

of like know where he was just

1:12:19

a serial and filling up everything and

1:12:21

air as this took place. genius or

1:12:24

the high tell a doctorate doorstep with

1:12:26

Hobo intel because the light was starting

1:12:28

to morphed from like a warm. Light

1:12:30

to a white lie to and use

1:12:32

a slight. I don't want to see

1:12:34

where this ends up now because it

1:12:36

is a day before college. Engine lights,

1:12:38

the even a thing. And also this

1:12:40

is her property. This is her home

1:12:42

You get pretty used to. Like the

1:12:44

light cycles over. Yeah it's first thing

1:12:46

in the morning. Yeah it's fucking January.

1:12:48

it's seven am. Some there are like

1:12:51

their are other. No

1:12:53

signs of the sun coming out for

1:12:55

a little while. at least know Anyway,

1:12:57

Gene is dislike seen her front yard.

1:13:00

Being overtaken by this morphing light,

1:13:02

she goes back to her doorstep

1:13:04

with Hobo and she's i try

1:13:06

to go back in the home

1:13:09

but as soon as he tries

1:13:11

to walk ins he notices something

1:13:13

coming in the open door behind

1:13:15

her. Blue yeah and was followed

1:13:17

by this like inexplicable sound which

1:13:20

she described as going Z z

1:13:22

Z and the sound source provincially

1:13:24

would reveal itself as being these

1:13:26

three beings floating in from outside

1:13:28

into teams home blowing. In when

1:13:31

Jean described as quote a brilliant

1:13:33

light that seem to float about

1:13:35

a foot above the floor and

1:13:37

quote so they're floating. and

1:13:40

leading lady and glow leaving their

1:13:42

own light like a good drag

1:13:44

queen i mean let's say our

1:13:46

enemies are you know anyway so

1:13:48

according to gene as they floated

1:13:50

in to her homes lounge and

1:13:52

i love the vibe that one

1:13:55

creates by calling their living room

1:13:57

allow ah ended up ah but

1:13:59

a slow into her lounge

1:14:01

and she notices that the

1:14:03

beings are winged which explain

1:14:05

the flowing. Yes. She's

1:14:08

awestruck totally. Mouth literally

1:14:10

just hanging open. Yes

1:14:12

we know this

1:14:14

because she gave like a first-hand account

1:14:16

like there's like a multi-page like written

1:14:19

from first-person perspective like account of what

1:14:21

happened. I love that. Yeah as Jean

1:14:23

said she is just sitting there like

1:14:25

a gaze and

1:14:27

a dog. Aha. A jig is in

1:14:29

a dog having no sense. It does

1:14:31

though. Print it. Yeah. Print it. She's

1:14:33

like, would you like a cup of

1:14:35

tea? She's like, not the guys. And

1:14:37

she's a dog. All the fairies are

1:14:39

in town. Baby three fairies just enter

1:14:41

your living room seven in the morning

1:14:43

what's gonna happen. Uh-huh. Anyway luckily

1:14:46

she had the wherewithal as all of this

1:14:48

is happening to grab a weapon just in

1:14:50

case she had to you know protect herself.

1:14:52

Sure. Harth and home one knows. Anyway she

1:14:55

grabbed a steel sink out of the kitchen

1:14:57

in case you know she had to

1:14:59

bash them. But a steel sink? Yeah.

1:15:01

The whole ass sink? Well like like

1:15:03

a movable tub or something? No. I

1:15:06

don't know maybe she's just got real wild and

1:15:08

ripped the whole sink out of the fucking wall.

1:15:10

I don't think it's that deep. I mean I

1:15:13

wouldn't put a pastor but we're

1:15:15

in the UK I'm imagining anything like a

1:15:17

wash basin. Okay yeah. Yeah something like that.

1:15:19

So anyway they grab a steel sink out

1:15:22

of the kitchen in case she needed to

1:15:24

defend herself in the lounge. Yes. Where

1:15:27

the magic happens. Yeah and the fights, the

1:15:29

brawls. And the fuck lights turn on. Yeah.

1:15:31

Anyway according to Jean she then

1:15:34

looked at her trusty dog Hobo hoping that you

1:15:36

know he would defend her but Hobo

1:15:38

was just dealing with his own shit. Yeah.

1:15:40

Hobo's like fuck this shit I'm out. Hobo

1:15:42

imported his dog bowl swaying with his hair

1:15:48

standing up like a hedgehog. Oh

1:15:50

like static or something? Yeah and

1:15:52

he was like usually

1:15:55

never off-putter scared by anything according

1:15:57

to Jean but in this case he was pretty...

1:16:00

and he freaked out. Just kind of keeping to

1:16:02

himself. She said it was like he was drugged,

1:16:05

and thankfully he wasn't, but he just laid down on

1:16:07

the floor and just laid there stiff with his eyes

1:16:09

open just observing. Oh my gosh, that would be... I'd

1:16:11

start... I'd be worried about the dog. I'd be worried

1:16:13

about myself and the aliens. I'd be like, organ failure.

1:16:16

Did you eat a grape? Like, I'd be freaking out.

1:16:18

Did these aliens give you a grape? Oh my god,

1:16:20

did he just... You can't give dogs grapes. Jesus Christ,

1:16:22

we learned this! Anyway, so...

1:16:24

She starts lecturing the

1:16:26

aliens. Exactly. She's like, I need hydrogen peroxide

1:16:29

and peanut butter and I need to induce

1:16:31

foment. Yeah. Okay, so anyway,

1:16:34

Hobo just taking a lay down.

1:16:36

Not about it. Spoiler alert, he

1:16:38

is okay. He survived. Good. He's

1:16:41

just in like, get out. Yeah. All

1:16:43

of a sudden. Yeah. You

1:16:45

know? Shocked! Exactly. And

1:16:48

Jean, also very shocked by this. According to

1:16:50

her, it felt like her blood was drained

1:16:52

out her toes. She just stood there with

1:16:55

her mouth hanging open. And

1:16:57

then rather suddenly, like almost as

1:16:59

quickly as the fear left her

1:17:01

body, she then just felt

1:17:03

light inside. Like a switch was flipped

1:17:05

after a moment. And like she said,

1:17:07

she felt like a different person or

1:17:09

like she was in heaven. Which

1:17:12

would also be unnerving because then you're

1:17:14

like, did I just die? Well, yeah.

1:17:16

Were these like angels? Because biblically accurate

1:17:18

angels are fucking terrifying, right? I know.

1:17:20

But thankfully, not as scary as

1:17:23

a biblically accurate angel, but we will get

1:17:25

into the look in a moment. So at

1:17:27

this point, everything's kind of blurry and bright

1:17:29

to Jean. Sure. She can

1:17:31

just see these like general beings floating

1:17:33

around, but her vision doesn't like fully

1:17:35

kick in. It's kind of like she's

1:17:37

watching season one of Drag Race. Exactly.

1:17:40

Yeah. It's like a thick layer

1:17:42

of Vaseline on the lens for her right

1:17:44

now. I think that's RuPaul. Yeah.

1:17:46

But it might not be. It

1:17:48

might just be shaking a RuPaul doll at

1:17:51

the camera while Ru does ADR. But

1:17:53

anyway, Jean, she's in season

1:17:55

one Drag Race. She starts floating

1:17:57

as well. Damn. Holding

1:18:00

the door for stability, a leg

1:18:02

and as this is happening it's

1:18:04

is often the distance. She hears

1:18:06

her Christmas tree rattling around his

1:18:09

his the sick part is going.

1:18:12

To let us look like enjoy it

1:18:15

and is a good day. I agree

1:18:17

with as I personally I wouldn't going

1:18:19

to say and what are the only

1:18:21

sulfur like what the fuck is just

1:18:23

quiver at the end the I used

1:18:25

to switch seeking with the gravity of

1:18:27

the moment and the laid pouring into

1:18:29

became. Like even more severe and the

1:18:32

mean had like cover her eyes but

1:18:34

then in this like moment of rapture

1:18:36

almost as good as hundred of clarity

1:18:38

where she feels like these beings are

1:18:40

reading her mind which he said self

1:18:43

like an x ray or like a

1:18:45

light penetrating her mind a ha and

1:18:47

then in almost like amount of reciprocity.

1:18:49

Gene. Was finally able to make

1:18:52

out the beings that she was

1:18:54

in the presence of like she

1:18:56

uncovered her eyes and almost like

1:18:58

dislike after the flood kind of

1:19:00

moment to five and then everything

1:19:02

was okay. and in like this

1:19:05

moment she was finally able to

1:19:07

see these people that were tugging

1:19:09

at the Christmas tree. In the

1:19:11

brown, they were like three small

1:19:13

slim humanoids about three and a

1:19:16

half to four feet tall in

1:19:18

silvery green tunics and silver waistcoats.

1:19:20

Oh fab us I like space

1:19:22

selves. yeah yeahs ways. codes were

1:19:24

adorned with silver buttons or press

1:19:26

duds. we can tell exactly she

1:19:28

wasn't looking to deep at the.

1:19:31

Cut. or you know what we do

1:19:33

now is that they had pointed hands and

1:19:35

feet which were covered in the same

1:19:37

silver elite or silvery green cover and appointed

1:19:40

zebra the reason that they couldn't walk cause

1:19:42

they're not brooklyn heights and they can't

1:19:44

walk on point sorry it's true the probably

1:19:46

not used to like earth's gravitational pull though

1:19:48

they feel like they were probably into

1:19:51

the groove occasional more challenging by those out

1:19:53

the absolutely yeah as readers wish that they

1:19:55

a touchdown in new york in the early

1:19:57

nineties addict and these club kids are

1:19:59

ready, you know, like Michael Alec would hire

1:20:02

them and piss on them. Uh-huh. All in

1:20:04

the same night. Yeah.

1:20:06

Anyway, so they're there. They also have

1:20:08

pointed hats just to really complete the

1:20:11

look. They're the same silver green color.

1:20:13

Each hat had a lamp on top

1:20:15

of it. This was creating all the

1:20:18

light in the room. They literally came

1:20:20

with their own lighting effect. All

1:20:23

of this was encapsulated by like this

1:20:25

domed transparent helmet that Gene described as

1:20:28

kind of being like fish bowls, but

1:20:30

this allowed her to fully take

1:20:32

in the visage of these beings,

1:20:34

which according to Gene were like

1:20:37

white waxy corpse-like faces that were

1:20:39

said to contain no eyebrows or

1:20:41

ears, small indications of a nose,

1:20:43

and thin lips, but eyes

1:20:45

that Gene described as being big

1:20:47

and black like black diamonds. So

1:20:50

that's kind of sexy. That is very sexy. That's

1:20:52

the vibe. They put all the attitude up in

1:20:54

the eyes on these guns. Yeah. Instead of these

1:20:56

guys, but I'm not going to box them in.

1:20:58

Absolutely. Exactly. And I feel like they could give,

1:21:00

oh my God, wait, who made white diamonds? Liz

1:21:03

Taylor. Yeah. They could give Liz Taylor a run

1:21:05

for her money. Absolutely. Rival

1:21:07

soap. Yes. Black diamonds. Liza

1:21:10

Minnelli black diamonds. Why didn't it

1:21:12

happen? It should have. It could

1:21:14

still. I always said she was

1:21:16

an alien. Anyway, eyes like big

1:21:18

black diamonds. We love it. The

1:21:20

aforementioned wings as well. Those were

1:21:22

the show. They were big. They

1:21:24

were oval. They were glorious and

1:21:26

multicolored. They were covered with dots

1:21:29

braille according to Gene. Interesting. And

1:21:31

the colors of the dots were

1:21:33

red, violet, blue, gold, green, but

1:21:35

allegedly more beautiful than earthly colors.

1:21:37

She noted that in comparison to

1:21:39

our colors, their colors

1:21:41

seemed chemical. Or that

1:21:43

ours colors seemed chemical.

1:21:45

Like chemical colors. That's

1:21:47

interesting. Yeah. But I

1:21:50

love what she's having. I know. This is

1:21:52

some great salvia, Gene. Yeah. Wow.

1:21:56

I mean, you know, so Salvia never worked when I

1:21:58

tried it. I mean, it really did. It didn't

1:22:00

do anything everyone else was tripping. I was like

1:22:02

this sucks Yeah, I had a moment where I

1:22:04

thought I was going to sesame Street really I

1:22:06

was like I think I feel a bit horny.

1:22:08

I didn't even feel that I was just trying

1:22:10

to make like fetch happen Yeah, you know the

1:22:13

gym was on the right stuff. Yeah, it sounds

1:22:15

like it But also like isn't color like perception

1:22:17

based on like our own anatomy and not the

1:22:19

world around us like there are millions of colors

1:22:21

Out there that we just can't see and proceed

1:22:23

but jeans finally woken up man. Oh, yeah colors

1:22:25

aren't just like colors. This is like Colors

1:22:32

Yeah, like we love everyone but everyone

1:22:34

has that friend that trips a bit

1:22:36

too hard and I have to explain

1:22:39

Colors to you, you know

1:22:42

what I mean? Uh-huh. So

1:22:44

yeah, we're cool. Anyway, so

1:22:46

anyway regardless of my criticism

1:22:48

They're bright. They're shining Wow.

1:22:50

Yeah get into these wings You can't

1:22:52

fathom them comes you're used to chemical

1:22:55

colors Mm-hmm and as Jean watched on

1:22:57

the beings floated through her lounge milling

1:22:59

over the objects Rifling

1:23:01

through the holiday cards the

1:23:03

hi-fi setup which they proved

1:23:05

of and furniture Right. Yeah,

1:23:07

of course and till Jean

1:23:09

willed herself to ask quote

1:23:12

three of you and one of me What

1:23:15

are you gonna do? What

1:23:17

do you want from me?

1:23:19

And that literally sounds like the

1:23:21

opening line of a bad porno I

1:23:23

said it's my sexy way didn't I

1:23:25

yeah did three of you one of

1:23:28

me? Well,

1:23:35

this doesn't seem fair holiday

1:23:37

party yeah Put

1:23:40

this point of toes to work. Uh-huh All

1:23:43

right, so okay One of

1:23:45

me what are you gonna do? What do you want with me?

1:23:48

At this point the beings just put

1:23:50

their hands on their chests They pressed

1:23:52

their chests with their hands on the

1:23:54

hands and seemingly manipulated the buttons on

1:23:56

their coats Oh dear all of a

1:23:58

sudden produced a bleeping sound okay

1:24:00

and then from the buttons on the

1:24:02

coats their voices came forth because that

1:24:04

seems to be where they spoke from

1:24:06

that's where the mouse is where do

1:24:08

they poop from then I'd like to

1:24:11

know that's yeah I guess

1:24:13

so yeah you gotta

1:24:15

stick around long enough for the poop to

1:24:17

come yeah you need two or three days

1:24:20

actually I don't even know they might take

1:24:22

longer to digest maybe faster absolutely

1:24:24

no yeah anyway

1:24:29

so the poop aside they

1:24:31

start speaking to her and they say we

1:24:34

shall not harm you to Jean which she

1:24:36

responds where if you come from we

1:24:38

come from the sky they all said

1:24:41

in union and then they continued shaking

1:24:43

her Christmas tree out of seeming curiosity

1:24:46

knocking the angel off the top of it

1:24:48

it's like that's expensive break that you better

1:24:50

replace it I mean she wasn't quite that

1:24:52

calm with them yet but she did go

1:24:54

on to explain the tree she said we

1:24:56

put up a tree at Christmas because

1:24:58

we believe in Jesus or

1:25:00

we believe Jesus was born

1:25:02

then to which the beings responded

1:25:05

with we know all about

1:25:07

Jesus yeah exactly come from

1:25:09

where he comes from the church

1:25:11

every Sunday but basically

1:25:14

as that's playing out one of the

1:25:16

beings grabs the Sunday paper and they

1:25:18

notice on the front page that there's

1:25:20

like an honors list so Jean comments

1:25:22

those people like the people being listed

1:25:24

have been made lords to

1:25:26

which the beings again respond in unison

1:25:29

with there is only one Lord see

1:25:31

because they are they're only learning about

1:25:33

the Jesus exactly their monotheistic and I

1:25:35

wasn't expecting that turn today but get

1:25:38

it Queens anyway from there a photo of

1:25:41

the Queen actually was in the paper to

1:25:43

which Jean suggested you should go

1:25:45

to the Queen or go to see a real

1:25:47

lady I think she means like a lady by

1:25:49

like by Royal

1:25:51

yeah standard yeah distinction

1:25:54

is yeah but today

1:25:56

just they shut it

1:25:58

down this is the ultimate Cush's

1:26:00

hair out of her face and says you

1:26:03

are beautiful Takes off

1:26:05

glasses and the makeup is complete right? She's all

1:26:07

that baby Yeah, cuz she was trying to ditch

1:26:09

these wise guys they hit back and they say

1:26:11

you are a real lady I

1:26:16

love the little shit disturbance as she is

1:26:18

she's like, you know what go see Yeah,

1:26:22

go see Lizzie. Yeah, nothing on the

1:26:24

go. Yeah, whatever. She's a rude lady.

1:26:26

Yeah, they said mmm. You're a lady

1:26:30

Meanwhile, sorry, that was my I need

1:26:32

a man voice, but it just it

1:26:34

sounds weird when you say lady Anyway,

1:26:37

meanwhile, they got onto the corner unit

1:26:39

couch in the lounge and started hopping

1:26:41

around like excited kids This is wild

1:26:43

but this is actually what I would

1:26:46

expect from aliens, right? Yeah. Yeah that

1:26:48

or like some um Even

1:26:50

though those are prehistoric people I digress Jean

1:26:53

was not about to have this She

1:26:55

stands up tells him to be careful on her

1:26:57

furniture. I love it. It was enough to get

1:26:59

them to stop So that was

1:27:01

nice. I'm respectful. Yes, but in retaliation

1:27:04

They brought back the blinding light for a

1:27:06

minute. Okay, we know how to play hardball.

1:27:08

Yeah, we can make you float girl So

1:27:11

just like chill exactly so Jean in that

1:27:13

moment was like, okay duly noted. Let's not

1:27:15

lose my temper again They

1:27:18

might actually hurt me and once her

1:27:20

eyes reset at slash they were done

1:27:22

having their Tempe tantrum Yes, the creatures

1:27:24

then looked at her with friendly eyes,

1:27:26

which is a good sign that you

1:27:28

know They were just about to blind

1:27:31

you. So anyway, she then says

1:27:33

I can't call you creature. So

1:27:35

I shall call you gentlemen Work.

1:27:38

Yeah, and then it gets a little bit weird

1:27:40

from here because then she says

1:27:42

nice to see you nice to which they

1:27:44

responded Nice now These are her words Some

1:27:46

other people have extrapolated from this that they

1:27:48

were making a reference to this comedian called

1:27:50

Bruce Forsyth who would say like oh It's

1:27:52

nice to see you to see you nicely

1:27:55

in my opinion. I hope

1:27:57

you reached before you stretched that hard Yeah,

1:28:00

because according to Jean all that she said was

1:28:02

nice to see you and then nice as if

1:28:04

she was gonna say something else and Then all

1:28:06

three of them just cut her off and repeated

1:28:08

the word nice. So they're just mimicking Yes, but

1:28:10

according to everybody else who repeats this story These

1:28:14

beings show up and they're like we love

1:28:16

the comedian Bruce Forsyth In fact, let's mimic

1:28:18

some of his lines to you out of

1:28:20

nowhere. That's right We know all about Jesus

1:28:22

and we know all about Bruce and we

1:28:24

know about the Queen and also I guess

1:28:26

they mentioned Tommy Steele At a certain point

1:28:28

it was like a UK Like

1:28:31

heart-throb musician back in the day like a

1:28:33

Bobby Darin kind of vibe. Anyway, I don't

1:28:35

know Obviously the girls were chatting they seem

1:28:37

to be into music though, because if correct

1:28:39

me if I'm wrong, they did approve of

1:28:41

her Like hi-fi station like

1:28:43

her whole setup. Well, yeah, I mean they

1:28:46

were just interested in it Yeah, you know

1:28:48

what I mean? And you know, they didn't

1:28:50

break it So I'm just taking that as

1:28:52

as you know thumbs up from them Anyway,

1:28:54

yeah from their jeans gentlemen collars as she

1:28:56

would refer to them because again I'm not

1:28:58

gendering them. She is they flap around on

1:29:00

their quiet wings, which then a fold Appropriately

1:29:03

as they let go in and out of

1:29:05

the doorways. They're very graceful with them Sounds

1:29:07

like yeah, and they did an overview of

1:29:09

jeans home. However, they didn't open up any

1:29:11

of the doors So I guess they went

1:29:14

upstairs and they're zooming around but none of

1:29:16

the doors were open So they just kind

1:29:18

of came back and didn't realize what a

1:29:20

door is for. No, absolutely not They were

1:29:22

just confounded but on their way back down.

1:29:24

They did grab some items with them You

1:29:26

know check out some souvenirs. Yeah, they've grabbed

1:29:28

some tapes for a tape recorder and

1:29:30

some cigarette packets that were hanging

1:29:33

around Anyway upon

1:29:35

reconvening Jean asked them if they wanted

1:29:37

to drink since you know It was

1:29:39

after Christmas and she had an abundance

1:29:41

of whiskey and sherry despair allegedly Yeah,

1:29:43

she's like hey aliens. Are you looking

1:29:45

to pick up some bad habits? Uh-huh.

1:29:47

The thing is all three of them

1:29:49

just said water in tandem three times.

1:29:51

So they were serious Yeah, yeah and

1:29:54

unlike a scene in coyote ugly. She didn't

1:29:56

start spraying them a father and chanting hell

1:29:58

no h20 she was

1:30:00

just like, okay, you

1:30:03

don't want to get down with me? Okay,

1:30:05

cool, whatever. Right. Weiners,

1:30:08

thanks for rejecting my sentiment. She

1:30:11

brings him out some water on

1:30:13

a metal tray. Uh-huh. And

1:30:15

she also brought out a fourth glass on the

1:30:17

tray to prove that she wasn't poisoning them, so

1:30:20

that's a good hope. That is very nice. Yes.

1:30:22

Now, as she approached them with the tray

1:30:25

of water, she did notice that there was

1:30:27

like a slight magnetic field around them. Mm-hmm.

1:30:30

Because the tray did start to drift

1:30:32

towards them. Interesting. So that was freaky-deaky.

1:30:34

She put it down and they served

1:30:36

themselves. And then, turns

1:30:38

out they temporarily blinded Jean again

1:30:41

with the light. Yeah. But

1:30:43

she couldn't see them drink. Oh. It's like

1:30:45

a drag queen being like, I'm not going to eat on television. Yeah. You

1:30:48

know? They're like, I'll have a salad. Exactly. When

1:30:51

they really want a burger. But then, like, you

1:30:53

leave the room and the salad's gone when you come

1:30:55

back. Uh-huh. Yeah, because literally Jean gets her vision back

1:30:57

and the water is gone. They just, yeah. Whatever.

1:31:01

How we drink is privileged information, okay? It

1:31:03

comes through our asses. Yeah.

1:31:05

These helmets don't come off. It has to happen

1:31:07

other ways. Right. So anyway, they

1:31:09

do that and after the water is drunk,

1:31:11

the tea spilling begins. They

1:31:14

tell them where they've been before. They tell

1:31:16

Jean they've been to Australia, New Zealand, and

1:31:18

America. Mm-hmm. And then they said,

1:31:20

we came down here to try to

1:31:22

talk to people, but they don't seem interested. Oh.

1:31:26

Yeah, and so Jean asked them if

1:31:28

they wanted her to tell people

1:31:30

on Earth about them and all three

1:31:32

beings effusively said yes to her. Okay.

1:31:36

Yeah. Although maybe I just added the effusively part.

1:31:38

I just want to think that they regained the

1:31:40

difference with Jean and have some long-term contact. It

1:31:43

kind of sounds like that because I have

1:31:45

a hard time believing that, like, people on

1:31:47

mass who have been literally searching for aliens

1:31:49

forever would have no interest in actually sitting

1:31:51

down and talking with aliens. Right. But

1:31:54

they got Jean. They got Jean. Jean's got

1:31:56

the water and the Hi-Fi, so you know

1:31:58

what? Maybe they were just missing... in the

1:32:01

secret sauce. Maybe they're just not Jean enough.

1:32:03

Yeah, maybe they just did not have the

1:32:05

hospitality. Exactly. Because according to them, they had

1:32:07

even been like in her neck of the

1:32:10

woods before and would be back once again.

1:32:12

But yeah, just no one had

1:32:14

done it like Jean. Okay. She's a

1:32:16

good host. That's it. Everyone needs the

1:32:18

Jean. Anyway, they continue talking and the

1:32:20

beings also make a comment to the

1:32:23

extent of everyone will go to heaven.

1:32:25

There are beautiful colors there. And

1:32:27

if you think that's random and like super

1:32:29

deep, like I'm talking about heaven and all

1:32:31

that. Well, sit back and get ready because

1:32:34

that was just the gateway into the deep

1:32:36

talk. Really? Yeah. Next on the docket as

1:32:38

part of the other world at least salon

1:32:40

according to Jean was

1:32:42

the beings putting like

1:32:46

they put out this light,

1:32:48

which then like drew words out of her and

1:32:50

allegedly she told them what they wanted to hear.

1:32:52

Oh, what

1:32:55

a metaphor for a one-sided conversation.

1:32:57

But anyway, she felt herself like

1:32:59

stuttering and nervous in her words

1:33:01

and they talked politics and

1:33:04

the idea of women going to work.

1:33:08

She works and she ended up saying

1:33:10

it's a man's world to them at

1:33:12

a certain point. Again, Jean had a

1:33:14

lot to go over. Sure. But from

1:33:16

there, she tells them that she hadn't

1:33:19

been to religious services at the local

1:33:21

chapel for the last two years or

1:33:23

so because according to Jean, all

1:33:26

chapels had pop groups and guitars these days.

1:33:28

And I don't like that kind of service.

1:33:32

She wants the old Testament bitch.

1:33:34

Exactly. Yeah. She said, I know

1:33:36

you like your boy toy heart,

1:33:39

throw out pop stars, but not

1:33:41

in my church. Thank you. Bring

1:33:43

back the organs, exactly.

1:33:46

To which the beings

1:33:49

responded with, quote, there's no need

1:33:51

to worship in synagogues. End quote.

1:33:53

Now reportedly Jean didn't know about

1:33:55

synagogues at the time and her husband Cyril

1:33:57

explain them to her later on, but. She

1:34:00

just kept the conversation going. She was like, okay.

1:34:04

You know one of those. Like I think I get

1:34:06

what you're saying. And then she just said, the Bible

1:34:08

is hard to understand. And

1:34:10

the beings seem to get that, according to Jean.

1:34:12

From there, they then started

1:34:14

to talk like some personal shit,

1:34:16

which is like fair. They've been

1:34:18

in Jean's home for a while.

1:34:21

She dishes on like how she

1:34:23

looked after foster children for seven

1:34:25

years with your husband at one

1:34:28

point, tells them about how like she and Cyril

1:34:30

were looking after 13 straight dogs.

1:34:32

That's cool. Yeah,

1:34:35

I get it. As long as you're not animal hoarding.

1:34:38

Reportedly, she used to walk them with the kids

1:34:40

in the neighbourhood. She's telling the

1:34:42

beings all about that. I keep having

1:34:44

to stop myself from saying aliens. Okay.

1:34:46

They're just beings. Sure. And then as

1:34:48

she's explaining this, according to Jean, she

1:34:51

grabbed a plate of mince pies for

1:34:53

the beings, putting six on a plate

1:34:55

and inviting her three beings to help

1:34:57

themselves. Nummies. Yeah, and

1:34:59

they did. They levitated them off

1:35:02

of the plate to themselves. They were

1:35:04

so into it. They love that mince

1:35:06

pie. But

1:35:09

then Jean noticed that they were

1:35:11

still eyeing up the cigarettes because again, they had

1:35:13

brought like the cigarette packet sound. So Jean

1:35:15

all of a sudden notices their stare

1:35:17

and goes, I'll show you how people

1:35:20

smoke those. And as she does it,

1:35:22

she strikes up a match, lights a

1:35:24

cigarette. What an enabler, PS. I was

1:35:26