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cashback really adds up. Hi

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everyone, welcome to That's Spooky, I'm

2:46

Johnny. I'm Tyler. And this is a

2:49

weekly podcast for absolute snacks and

2:51

friends of absolute snacks. Yeah, treats as

2:53

well. Yes, and those who are

2:55

treat adjacent. Yeah. Yeah. Those

2:58

who like to treat the snacks. Oh baby. Do

3:00

you worship the snacks? I

3:02

worship the snack aisle, that's for sure. Baby, I

3:04

do too. You know what? There's a revelation happening

3:06

in the chip world right now and we need

3:08

to talk about it. Oh

3:10

hell yeah. This is not sponsored. But

3:12

Laze has cracked the code. Yeah. Depending on

3:14

where you are in the world it might be called something else. What are

3:17

they called? Walkers? I think

3:19

Walkers in the UK. Okay. And

3:21

then Laze in the United States as well.

3:23

Okay, they are Laze in the USA. Yeah.

3:26

Okay. But I'm not sure what they are in

3:28

other places. Okay, sorry. They are mostly Laze. Okay,

3:30

well I giggled because Laze in the USA just

3:32

sounds like it needs to be an album. Oh

3:34

it's true. If they ever do like a California

3:36

Raisins thing but with chips they need to do

3:39

Laze in the USA. Yeah. Anyway,

3:41

they have cracked the code reasonably up here

3:43

in Canada at least they have put out

3:45

three special edition

3:47

ceremonial chips for the dolls.

3:50

One being Cool Ranch. Yeah, so

3:52

basically they have this series where

3:54

they're just like taking other brands

3:56

of chips flavors and putting them

3:59

on Laze. Yeah, cool ranch, Cheetos.

4:02

Uh-huh. And then what's

4:04

the other one? Spicy Dilt Pickle, Miss Vicky.

4:06

Yeah, yeah. Spicy Dilt Pickle. Okay.

4:09

Mm-hmm. We love that for the spicy

4:11

girls. Yes. But baby, those

4:13

Cheeto chips on another level.

4:16

Well, it's so funny. Mm-hmm. Oh,

4:18

listen, you got me on chips, Johnny. You know we're gonna be here

4:20

all day. It's fine. I opened up the bag

4:22

and had a few and I was like, I don't feel like there's any

4:24

flavor here. I was like, what's going on? Mm-hmm.

4:27

I was in Bamboozled with the no flavor chips.

4:29

Yeah. Like, there were some heavily

4:32

flavored chips and there were some heavily unflavored chips. And

4:34

I was getting all the unflavored ones. I thought I

4:36

was losing my mind. Mm-hmm. The first

4:38

draw I took out of the deck, proverbially

4:40

speaking, was a well-seasoned chip. Uh-huh. And I

4:42

didn't see the world through the same lenses

4:45

as you did. Yeah. In fact, I really

4:47

loved the chips and you were like, they don't taste like anything. Yeah. I

4:50

know. I should have the

4:53

compromised palate. How are you

4:55

not tasting this Cheeto explosion? But then days later, I

4:57

was thinking about it because I think about these things.

4:59

Oh, yeah. And I was

5:01

like, why wasn't the flavor as you would expect

5:03

it to be from Cheetos? Because Cheetos are so

5:06

flavorful. They're in there such a distinct flavor. Yeah.

5:09

But then I was like, wait a minute, bitch. Just the

5:11

constitution of a Cheeto where it's just this, what does

5:13

it even mean? I don't know, corn? I don't know.

5:15

But it's an earthy kind of cheese. Yeah. But

5:18

also, whatever the body of the Cheeto is, whatever

5:20

the makeup of the Cheeto is, it all sticks

5:22

in your mouth. You know what I mean? Yeah.

5:26

It's all in your molars and shit. So the

5:28

flavor lingers. The vehicle is

5:30

important. Yeah. But when you just got

5:32

that crispy chip, that crunch, crunch, crunch goes down. The flavor doesn't

5:34

stick around. No. So I feel

5:36

like they need to amp it up on a chip. Yeah.

5:39

So let the cranberries know the answer has come

5:42

in. You do have to let it linger. Especially

5:44

when it comes to Cheetos. Absolutely. Thank

5:46

you. All right. Well, I'm

5:48

glad that we got this out of the way. I'm glad that

5:50

we've let the people know what chips are hot this summer. Yeah.

5:52

And I also want to let the other people know, you know,

5:55

the ones who are aware, you know, exactly what the thoughts and

5:57

feelings are and the opinions are because you're kind of like a

5:59

low-key chip in the face. Yeah, like let us

6:01

know what your favorite chips are again

6:03

I think it still says it on

6:05

my profile on our website that I

6:07

am a regional chipped enthusiast. Yes. I

6:09

love a regional chip Oh my god,

6:11

Johnny. Also, there was another chip that

6:13

we tried this week and it's really

6:15

good. Okay. Yeah, talk about it the

6:18

honey butter chip Lays put

6:20

out a honey butter flavor. He's good.

6:23

You open up that bag and it

6:25

smells like honey. Yeah I felt like

6:27

a queen bee Yeah,

6:30

I saw an ad for it on Instagram and I immediately

6:32

Screenshoted it and send it to Tyler because it wasn't letting

6:35

me share an ad. Yeah, and you know Also, I don't

6:37

want to let them know that I'm sharing their ad It's

6:39

like yeah, you don't you don't own me. Oh, you didn't

6:41

get me. No, you didn't buy immediately ran out in Gotham

6:43

Yeah, we had to figure out what store had it but

6:45

yeah, I sent it to you We were immediately on the

6:48

case. Uh-huh happy to report. It

6:50

is exactly as good as it sounds.

6:52

It's a dessert chip It's delicious and

6:54

for fetching both at the same time.

6:56

Thank you. Yeah, anyway I'm glad we

6:58

got that out of our system. Mm-hmm.

7:01

Okay. So hi everyone Welcome,

7:04

you know what it is. So we've got

7:07

some drag race to talk about we've got

7:09

some spooky shit to talk about right? Yeah,

7:11

anything else holding us back? Nothing else is

7:13

holding us back. Baby. The wind is in

7:15

our hair and we're ready to go Okay,

7:17

it's just my own personal insecurities at this

7:19

point. So let's get into it

7:21

then so, you know the deal We're gonna

7:24

talk about drag race all-stars season 9 episode

7:26

3 if you don't care or if you

7:28

don't want spoilers skip ahead a few minutes,

7:30

but otherwise we got to talk about the

7:32

snatch game so spoilers abound and Now

7:35

we are in a spoiler-rific zone. Yeah,

7:38

I hope you have already skipped ahead

7:42

Stalling stalling stalling for those who

7:44

are searching for the button It's so

7:46

polite and thoughtful and essentially a

7:48

humanitarian. Yeah, anyway, welcome. So high points

7:50

low points What do you want to

7:52

start with? Let's start with our low

7:54

points so we can end on a

7:56

high note. Okay What the fuck was

7:58

Nina West doing in that? girl that

8:01

made me mad. Me no less. I finally

8:04

got a chance to lip sync everyone. She

8:06

finally got a chance to show us what

8:08

was in her lip sync outfit. Because she's

8:10

been wearing that judges robe covered in sequins

8:13

for the last few weeks with her Phyllis

8:15

Diller wig. That literally just said this is

8:17

my lip sync outfit. More

8:20

lip sync dress or something. Something

8:22

like that. And then the words

8:24

just kept coming. But unfortunately they

8:26

didn't get funnier or easier to

8:28

read. No actually yeah. It was so

8:30

fast. It was happening so fast that you couldn't

8:32

even read half of it. And then sometimes it

8:34

was like sideways or flapping. Here's

8:36

the thing. A stunt like

8:39

that can work but it has to

8:41

be well orchestrated and well curated. And

8:43

if you're just going out on the

8:45

stage being like I'm going to do

8:47

this gag to whatever song they throw

8:50

at me this week if I happen

8:52

to win is just not the tea.

8:54

Yeah. So she was dancing to quote

8:58

unquote dancing to Banana by

9:00

Anita and Becky G. Anita was

9:02

the guest judge this week. Yeah.

9:04

Which I'd

9:06

never heard of them before but I can't wait for Deb to

9:09

be on next week. These

9:13

single name singers are getting me together.

9:15

And just like named after

9:18

like people just like Becky G. Anita.

9:21

Where's Rhonda. I can't wait for

9:23

Rhonda to hit the scene. But

9:25

anyway she was doing it

9:27

and she had like six reveals that she

9:29

pulled out including like a banana at the

9:31

end. Oh yeah. Definitely

9:33

missed the timing with. So she was just like

9:35

rushing to chomp into a banana.

9:37

It was mystifying. It was

9:40

unsatisfying and therefore it was

9:42

kind of one of my

9:44

favorite things. Right. She'd

9:46

been building it up for three episodes. So

9:49

that it was just like oh, the payoff

9:51

really wasn't there. And The best part about

9:53

it was the payoff wasn't there. It was

9:55

a murky reveals and the jokes in the

9:57

reveals were all just building off of you.

10:00

Each other you didn't see a

10:02

lot of it was so all

10:04

over the place. Yeah Gopnik was

10:06

actually doing a great performance on

10:08

the other side of the Sahara.

10:10

Yeah and they looked amazing and

10:13

like that's my high points of

10:15

the week. That was that god

10:17

make dead mo mother fucker. So

10:19

if you haven't seen and like

10:21

worth the effort and old right

10:23

are going up about it. Ah

10:26

meet Being a trans man did

10:28

this really successful look. That

10:30

incorporated their i'm sad to me scars

10:32

yeah and they put like sequent blood

10:35

coming from it the as a cast

10:37

their arms and I have like a

10:39

silicone mold me or like a silicone

10:41

poor done in a mold so it

10:44

looks like aren't Luxor with surgeon arms

10:46

come from behind them over their beards

10:48

hast cutting at their chest like it

10:51

was very poignant. in their hand they

10:53

were holding a bag with like there

10:55

were representations their breasts and at yeah

10:58

and like the outfit like the. Skirt

11:00

that they were wearing was just as

11:02

kind of like medical green color like

11:04

it was so well done. it was

11:06

fashion it was mean we're art it

11:08

was fucking everything and the theme of

11:10

the runway was a tail and to

11:12

take you know so that was sort

11:14

of the the the prompt and that's

11:16

how she interpreted it and it it

11:18

was amazing. Friends Again if you do

11:20

not ever go look up one thing

11:22

from drag race or whatever the fuck

11:24

just let this be the thing you

11:26

look at. This is the power of

11:28

the Art of Drag. exam and this

11:31

is it's so fucking cool to see

11:33

and make is really doing i mean

11:35

plastic is also bringing it in terms

11:37

of looks fun mega it's just bringing

11:39

like it's another a message yeah exactly

11:42

as and that was that kind of

11:44

like tales into my high point you

11:46

got make winning this episode felt correct

11:48

because i thought their snatch game as

11:51

powders the dog that point last sequencer

11:53

really really bloody right we had a

11:55

drooling literati is and like sonos literati

11:57

that's lovely and all that polite ah

12:00

Like let's talk about God Nick as pal

12:02

from last see but also kind of being

12:04

Lisa Vanderpump It was

12:07

amazing. Yeah, this is like whole old

12:09

Hollywood starlet sort of interpretation of this

12:11

like dog And it was just the

12:13

nuance of it was perfect They

12:15

nailed it and it could have gone like

12:18

way off the rails in this in

12:20

regards to like, you know a character

12:22

And yeah, yeah, I loved it Nick.

12:24

Yeah is the high point 100%

12:27

period Congratulations

12:29

to make for winning this yeah, and they

12:31

caught off George's as a result. So we'll see

12:33

how it shakes editing But

12:36

anyway, we have been talking about Drag Race for a while. Is there

12:38

anything else that you want to mention about it before we move on?

12:41

No, okay. I think we're ready to go. Yeah,

12:43

I don't need to dwell on any more low

12:45

points So yeah, let's get into it cuz I

12:48

don't think I shared a little point but oh,

12:50

you know what? That's very cool of me. That

12:52

is very cool. A very power positive thinking adjacent

12:54

step And I love that.

12:56

Okay. Yeah, we need more positivity, especially

12:58

me So do you want to

13:01

get into some spooky gay bullshit? Hell? Yeah, I

13:03

do and I have a piece of spooky gay

13:05

bullshit that was sent into us by a spooky

13:07

bitch named Kristen beautiful Thank you. Thank you. How

13:09

was to your Kristen? But

13:11

basically there was a article that was

13:13

published recently or I suppose a study

13:16

or I suppose a report that was

13:18

Released by the CDC their morbidity and

13:20

mortality weekly report, which I did not

13:22

know that was a thing metal

13:26

as Yeah,

13:29

but anyway in this report

13:31

they Released a case

13:33

that has caused quite a stir

13:37

It is a case that may

13:39

make you rethink potlucks Barbecues and

13:41

social gatherings in general. It doesn't

13:43

take much. It really does. Okay,

13:45

so what's up days? So

13:47

this actually happened back in

13:49

2022, but it's recently being reported on but an

13:51

unnamed family in South Dakota Had

13:53

gathered for a family reunion and this was

13:56

like a big deal. It's one of those

13:58

family reunions where it's like people are traveling

14:00

to be there. Ooh, yeah. If they did

14:02

not have family reunion shirts, then they weren't

14:04

doing it correctly. Oh, duly noted, my family

14:06

didn't do it correctly the one time we

14:08

did a family reunion. Oh, yeah, you gotta

14:11

do the shirt. If I

14:13

could go back to 1996 and slap them

14:15

all around, I would line them up. Yeah.

14:17

Well, if you're listening, you better watch it.

14:19

I never had a family reunion. And

14:21

honestly, I'm at peace with that. But

14:25

anyway, just like I said, this

14:27

family reunion was a pretty big

14:29

deal. Well, for those who are attending. Yeah,

14:31

totally. So one of the

14:33

family members decided that the average

14:35

burger and steak wasn't going to

14:37

cut it. Like this needed to

14:39

be a special barbecue baby. Hell,

14:41

yeah. So instead of the normie

14:43

barbecue fare, they decided to treat

14:45

their family far and wide to

14:47

a big, delicious feast of black

14:49

bear kebobs. Ooh, that

14:52

sounds questionable. Yeah. I

14:55

mean, people do eat black bears. They eat black

14:57

bears, but it's not necessarily something you're going to

15:00

see cross the table too often. No,

15:03

I can't imagine. It's kind of my first time

15:05

hearing about eating black bear like that. Like, yeah,

15:07

I mean, a lot of communities that live up

15:09

north will like eat bear. I mean, that's a

15:12

lot of the times out of necessity, not necessarily.

15:14

It's like bear is my first choice. And that's

15:16

the thing. Like, again, like we worked with an

15:18

indigenous person who used to go back to their

15:20

community and like they would hunt bear. Like

15:23

it's totally a thing, but it's just like

15:25

I rarely do I hear somebody being like,

15:27

it's Christmas time. Let's do the bear. Right.

15:30

Like you can go out and get it. You can go out to a restaurant

15:32

and get a kangaroo burger, but I don't know where the fuck you would go

15:34

to get a black bear burger. You know what I mean? And

15:37

there might be a good reason for that. But

15:39

let me just like build the scene. Okay. So

15:42

basically this man had caught this black bear

15:44

when he was hunting up in Saskatchewan in

15:46

northern Saskatchewan earlier that year, 2022. And

15:50

after processing the meat, it was

15:52

just sitting in his freezer waiting

15:54

for a special occasion. Okay. And

15:56

this was the special occasion. So the family ended up

15:58

cooking up the bear meat. And bear meat

16:01

I guess is like darker than your average meat

16:03

So when they were cooking it they

16:05

kind of misjudged when it was done

16:07

So they took it off the grill

16:09

started eating it realized it's

16:12

not quite cooked enough Then they

16:14

put it back on the grill cooked it

16:16

up and then they they dug in they

16:18

had a lovely family reunion And then they

16:20

all went on their way did they? Mm-hmm,

16:23

but then a few days later a 29

16:26

year old family member landed

16:28

in the hospital And they

16:30

didn't know why and in fact he

16:32

didn't just land in the hospital once

16:34

he was hospitalized twice in three weeks

16:38

Yeah, he was reporting symptoms of

16:40

like severe muscle pain and fever

16:42

and his eyes were becoming swollen

16:44

Okay. Yeah, so doctors ended up

16:46

doing a blood test and it

16:48

showed that he had eosinophilia Which

16:52

I guess is it can be linked to

16:54

a couple of things. It could be linked

16:56

to allergies It could be linked to cancer.

16:58

It can also be linked to parasite Okay

17:02

So when the doctors learned that this man had

17:05

been eating a black bear Because they

17:07

were basically just trying to you know as doctors do

17:09

be like hey What were you doing like maybe we

17:11

can find the root cause of whatever's going on? Yeah,

17:13

totally the man was just like I was at a

17:15

family Reunion we ate

17:17

black bear kabob Great,

17:19

but then when they realized that the

17:22

dude had eaten black bears They immediately

17:24

began to suspect that he had a

17:26

parasite sure and sure enough after they

17:28

did a few tests They discovered that he

17:30

had Trichinolosis

17:33

Now no trichinolinosis or it's

17:35

a very challenging word It's

17:37

pretty rare in humans, but it is believed

17:39

that about one quarter of the bear population

17:42

Carry this parasite. This is maybe

17:44

why eating black bears isn't like

17:46

Super popular yeah, because although the

17:48

meat was frozen like I said

17:50

that would usually kill a lot

17:52

of bacteria and parasites Sure trichinolinosis,

17:55

baby. Mm-hmm. It can survive the

17:57

ice age. It's hard. Yeah being

17:59

frozen does not bother it. The only

18:01

way to get rid of it is to cook

18:03

meat to like 165 degrees Fahrenheit. Which

18:07

they probably didn't do that first time around when

18:09

they undercooked the meat and ate it. And they

18:11

might not have even done it at all because

18:13

if you don't have a meat thermometer, you're not

18:15

really gonna know if your meat is cooking at

18:18

the right temperature or not. The

18:20

thing is humans usually only contract that

18:22

parasite by consuming wild games, so the

18:24

fact that they got this from black

18:26

bears made total sense. But then the

18:29

doctors were like, this one guy

18:31

ate black bear and got a parasite,

18:33

but the whole family reunion was eating

18:35

black bear. Yeah. So they basically recommended

18:37

that everybody in the family go and

18:40

get tested. They're like, how fucked up

18:42

are your GIs? Right. You know

18:44

what I mean? Yeah, because like the symptoms of

18:46

this can be bad. Yeah. It depends on really

18:49

where the parasite decides to hang out. It could

18:51

be like hanging out in your muscles, but it

18:53

could also be like hanging out in your brain,

18:55

which they think might have been what the T

18:57

was. Yeah, but it could

18:59

cause things like abdominal pain, diarrhea,

19:02

vomiting, fever, rashes, conjuritis

19:04

and facial puffiness. Oh, yeah. So

19:07

really not good. Not the face.

19:09

Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna fuck with

19:11

your face. My paycheck. Right. I'm

19:13

sorry. Now, overall, six family members

19:16

contracted the parasite and in total,

19:18

three of those family members had

19:20

to be hospitalized. Out

19:23

of all of them, four had eaten

19:25

the meat, but then two of the

19:27

people hadn't even eaten the bear. What?

19:30

Did they get off a toilet seat

19:32

or some shit? No, they got off

19:34

the vegetables that were being cooked on

19:36

the same grill as the meat. So

19:39

like this shit must have been fucking

19:41

vile. Yeah. Pressed. Yeah. Joking about the

19:43

toilet seat, but multiple vile. Yeah, definitely

19:45

vile. Yeah. Anyway, thankfully, everybody was treated

19:48

and recovered just fine. So nobody died

19:50

from this parasite. Okay. Received any kind

19:52

of long-term issues with it,

19:54

or at least I don't think. But anyway, the

19:57

CDC has taken this opportunity to remind

19:59

people. to cook your meat to temperature

20:01

and just also be aware of like the

20:03

risks that are involved when eating wild game

20:05

because it's not the tea. And you don't

20:08

have to kiss everyone in your family. You

20:10

know what I mean? Your kisses are for

20:12

you. Yeah. It's okay to just hug.

20:14

Yeah. That stuff's cool too.

20:16

Right? And then like the next

20:18

time somebody gets like Boudy Boudy with a

20:20

vegetarian having an issue that like their food

20:22

is being prepared on the same surface as

20:25

meat. Consider this story as well because cross-examination

20:27

is real, honey. Anyway, I

20:29

do want to thank my source. Thanks to

20:31

cnn.com for the article Black Bear Kabobs

20:33

Making Family Sick with Parasite Worms. That

20:35

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20:38

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also thanks again to the spooky bitch,

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Kristin, who sent this into us

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and unlocked a brand new fear. Absolutely.

20:48

Bear parasites. Thank you. Bear

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parasites. Thank you. All right. Well, now that we've

20:52

gotten that out of the way, now that we've

20:54

talked about food and then we've created a whole

20:56

new set of fears around food. Do

20:59

you have anything else you want to talk about before we

21:01

like really get into it? Do you have

21:03

any housekeeping or oopsie poopsies? Well, yes, Chani.

21:05

We are coming into Pride Month. And

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as everybody knows, we are going to be

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doing a Pride Forever fundraiser for Rainbow Railroad.

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Again, this is going to be our third

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21:24

far we've raised between the two years

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21:30

we just want to add to that and

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build it up. Because Rainbow Railroad

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And there are so many queer people all

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we love supporting what they do. Yeah.

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their country. Exactly. And they move them to places where

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they will be able to be safe and have a

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life. And it usually takes about $10,000 to help one

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their journey, like to set them up. And

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yeah, like that amount that we've been able

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to raise between the two years has been

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25:02

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joy in every journey. People

25:30

don't put ice cream in a goddamn title. Don't

25:32

tell me like that. I didn't write the title, listen. The

25:34

facts are the facts. It's

25:38

ignorance. It's ignorant. Anyway, this all begins on

25:40

April 11th, 1967. We're going back quite a

25:42

few decades and we're going

25:49

to visit Stanton, Virginia where

25:51

a resident decided to pop

25:53

by High's ice cream parlor

25:55

just before they closed for

25:57

a little nighttime ice cream.

26:00

Now the store was still open though it was just before

26:02

11pm. However, when

26:04

this resident walked into the store they

26:06

saw that no one seemed to be

26:08

inside but that was strange because the

26:10

lights were on, the doors unlocked. So

26:13

when they called out for a

26:16

response they didn't receive one. And

26:18

so they ended up walking towards the back

26:21

of the store and that was when

26:23

they made a horrifying discovery. Two

26:27

women were lying on the floor in

26:29

the back room covered in a pool

26:31

of their own blood. The

26:33

customer seeing this immediately called

26:35

the police and a short

26:37

while later emergency services descended

26:39

onto the crime scene. The

26:42

two women it turns out had been shot

26:44

in the head and were rushed to the

26:46

hospital. One of the victims

26:48

was unfortunately pronounced dead on arrival while

26:50

the other would die the next day

26:53

in hospital. Now

26:55

these two victims were quickly identified

26:57

as 19 year old Connie

27:00

Smoot's Hevener and 20

27:02

year old Carolyn K. Perry. A

27:05

year and a half before their

27:07

deaths Connie ended up marrying Carolyn's brother

27:09

Larry so they had a very

27:11

close bond. But beyond

27:13

being sisters in law they were

27:16

also coworkers because they both were

27:18

employees at High's Ice Cream Parlor.

27:21

Now the news of their deaths

27:23

dropped quickly and shocked the entire

27:25

town of Stanton. The town itself

27:27

isn't very big and so a

27:29

crime of this caliber is not

27:31

going to go unnoticed by anyone.

27:33

Absolutely. And that would make things

27:35

very difficult for the victims families.

27:38

Now Connie had a twin brother

27:40

named Carol Smoot's and he was

27:42

one of the first family members to learn

27:44

about his sister's death. Her

27:46

mother Laverne was living 25 miles

27:49

away in Harrisonburg at the time and

27:51

on the night of the murders she

27:54

received a call from her sister Gwendolyn

27:56

who lived in Stanton telling her to

27:58

come to her house. Okay. Now,

28:00

Carol got a similar call, and although

28:02

both Laverne and Carol understood that something

28:05

serious must have happened for this kind

28:07

of like late night call, they were

28:09

not prepared to learn that Connie had

28:11

been shot and killed while at work.

28:13

If anything, they expected that they would

28:15

be coming to Gwendolyn's house, Connie would

28:18

maybe be there, they'd find out that

28:20

she was like pregnant or something, like

28:22

that is where their minds were going.

28:24

Totally. They weren't going to this kind

28:26

of situation. Yeah. The thing is, Carol,

28:28

Connie's brother, twin brother, was the first

28:31

person to learn about her death, and

28:33

so it basically became his job to

28:35

tell his mother. Oh. Which

28:37

I can't even imagine. No, absolutely not.

28:39

Now, Connie's father, Virgil, and her husband,

28:41

Larry, who would have, I believe, been

28:44

Carolin's brother as well, they were both

28:46

long haul drivers, like truck drivers, so

28:48

they were nowhere near home when all

28:50

of this happened. So then Carol also

28:52

had to call them, tell them about

28:55

what had happened, and then arrange flights

28:57

for them to get back, because they

28:59

were basically like, they're not going to

29:01

be driving back here, but they need

29:03

to come back right away. Totally, yeah.

29:05

Now, all this while, while the family

29:08

was just kind of reeling with this

29:10

like horrifying, surreal reality that they were

29:12

in, everyone else was trying to make

29:14

sense of what happened, like everyone else

29:16

in the town. Connie and Carolin had

29:18

no known enemies, and

29:21

so their deaths truly felt

29:23

random and completely senseless. Regardless,

29:26

it was now up to the

29:28

Stanton police to try and

29:30

put all of the pieces together. Now,

29:33

the police immediately launched a

29:35

full-scale investigation into the murders.

29:38

They clocked that there was $138 missing from the register

29:40

at High's ice cream parlor, so

29:45

they suspected that a robbery might have

29:47

been the motive here, like a robbery

29:49

gone wrong, basically. The authorities

29:51

said that the victims were apparently taken by

29:53

surprise by a gunman while

29:56

they were placing the day's receipts in a

29:58

bank deposit bag, and after After that they

30:00

would have been taken back to the room of

30:02

the or to the back room of the ice

30:04

cream parlor and that is where they would have

30:06

been killed. So they were closing up as this

30:09

happened. Exactly. They were just doing their end of

30:11

night duties. It was very close to close. Yeah.

30:14

This. Yeah. So this

30:16

would have happened close. Well, the

30:18

customer came in before the source close. Yeah. So

30:21

the customer who came in probably wasn't there

30:23

long after this whole thing went down. No.

30:26

And like, not that I've worked at this exactly, but I worked at

30:28

a Dairy Queen in the front end. So

30:31

it's like, you know, the lead up to end

30:33

of night takes a while. Yeah. So

30:35

yeah, it's also kind of the point where you're just like, Oh,

30:37

I made it through the day. Exactly.

30:40

So fucked up to think about horrifying. Sorry. Now,

30:42

the police also said that Connie and

30:44

Carolyn were found lying side by side

30:46

next to each other. Yeah. But

30:49

the only other evidence that they were able to find on

30:51

the scene of the crime were two spent shell casings

30:53

from a 25 caliber pistol that

30:55

would have been the murder weapon. Yeah. And

30:58

that was also a set of bloody footprints. But

31:01

beyond that, that's all they had. And that was

31:03

really not a lot to go off on. Now,

31:06

half of the detective force in

31:08

Stanton began working full time on

31:10

the case. And apparently all available

31:12

resources from the state police, the

31:14

FBI, and any other law enforcement

31:16

agencies were employed. But even

31:19

with all of that, those resources

31:21

available, the investigation seemed to be

31:23

going nowhere. Yeah. The

31:26

crimes seemed random at first, but

31:28

then days after Connie's death,

31:30

her brother Carol was going through

31:33

her belongings when he found a

31:35

note in her purse. It

31:37

was written in her handwriting

31:39

and it read, Tell Larry

31:42

I love him. Really? So

31:44

to Carol, this note seemed to

31:47

indicate that maybe Connie knew that

31:49

something was going to happen to

31:51

her. Yeah. Of course he

31:53

ended up sharing the note with the police,

31:55

but nothing ever came from it,

31:58

which was really frustrating. for the

32:00

families. But I also understand that

32:02

sometimes when a case

32:05

is being actively investigated, it's not in

32:07

the best interest of anybody to share

32:09

all of the information with the families.

32:11

And I can understand how that could

32:13

be frustrating, but regardless,

32:15

it really seemed like the

32:17

police were dragging their feet

32:19

with this investigation. Because for

32:22

the next few months, Carol

32:24

continuously reached out to the

32:26

Stanton police investigator, Davy Boecock.

32:29

Davy Boecock was the lead investigator

32:31

on the case, but each and

32:33

every time Carol spoke with Boecock,

32:35

the news was always the same,

32:37

that they were no closer to

32:39

finding the person who had killed

32:41

his sister and her sister-in-law. Carol

32:44

had no police background, admittedly, but he

32:46

really didn't feel like the police were

32:48

doing everything they could. Carol would ask

32:51

Boecock just like certain things, like if

32:53

they searched the area around the store

32:55

for a gun, if they checked the

32:58

drains near the store for shells, or

33:00

if they had asked the people who

33:02

worked at highs for information. But according

33:04

to Carol, Boecock said they didn't do

33:07

any of that. Really? Yeah, now this

33:09

is his word against somebody else's word,

33:11

but basically he would ask these questions,

33:14

he would try to be helpful, and he

33:16

just seemed to be getting resistance. Okay, I

33:18

mean like I could even understand

33:20

if they were like hesitant to like spill it

33:22

all in case they're like, dude, like you don't

33:25

need to be like a backseat cop with me

33:27

right now, but just to straight up tell him

33:29

that you're just not doing your job, that's a

33:31

question. Or like skirt around it, it's like you

33:33

need to, at the same time even though there's

33:36

certain information you might not be able to share,

33:38

you need to like let these families know that

33:40

you are doing everything that you possibly

33:42

can do. Yeah, it's just sus. Yeah, so

33:45

basically after two months of this with

33:47

no answers, an open letter was published

33:49

to the Stanton leader, which was a

33:52

newspaper, and it was published by Connie

33:54

and Carolyn's families. And basically in this

33:56

letter they expressed publicly that they felt

33:58

like very little was being done by

34:00

the police to solve these murders. Sure.

34:03

Now in response, the police said

34:05

that they are, quote, wholeheartedly in

34:08

sympathy with the victims' families. And

34:10

then they just said that they

34:12

were using every resource available to them

34:14

to try and find whoever was responsible.

34:17

Okay. Of course,

34:19

this did very little to appease the

34:21

families. But then, in

34:23

October of 1967, so that

34:25

would be about six months

34:27

after the murder, the police

34:29

finally honed in on a

34:31

suspect. Oh, okay. 24-year-old

34:34

William Thomas. Now

34:36

William Thomas, who I think also went

34:38

by Bill, was a high school teacher

34:40

from Swope, Virginia, which is a town

34:43

about 10 miles west of Stanton. And

34:45

according to an eyewitness report that

34:47

came from one of the investigators,

34:50

he, being William Thomas,

34:52

had been seen near High's ice

34:54

cream parlor on the night of

34:56

the murder. Some

34:58

was brought in to the police station

35:01

for questioning, but he just denied being

35:03

in the area at the time. And

35:06

with no evidence to hold him,

35:08

William Thomas was released from custody,

35:10

after which investigator Davey Bocock sat

35:12

down with Connie's brother, Carol, just

35:14

to warn him not to do

35:16

anything to William Thomas. Okay. Basically

35:18

just being like, we think this

35:20

is the guy, but just sit

35:22

tight. Yeah. Don't do anything rash.

35:24

They're like, please don't beat the shit out of him

35:27

just yet. Exactly. Emotions

35:29

were high. And again, this is a small community. It's a

35:31

small area. It doesn't take long for

35:33

work to travel. I can get that. Yeah. Now

35:36

this warning Carol perceived to be a

35:38

threat, but it really did

35:40

nothing to strengthen his faith in

35:42

Davey Bocock's abilities to find his

35:44

sister's killer, but still Carol and

35:47

the rest of the families could

35:49

do nothing more than wait for

35:51

results. Yeah, totally. Now Connie and

35:53

Carol's mother, Laverne, was pretty frustrated

35:55

with the situation as well, but

35:57

her frustration didn't necessarily lie with

36:00

Davey Bocock per se. She truly

36:02

believed that Bocock was doing everything

36:04

he could. However, she was

36:06

frustrated with the fact that there didn't

36:08

seem to be enough evidence to hold

36:10

William Thomas accountable for the crimes as

36:13

she now believed that he was the

36:15

person responsible. So she was just mad

36:17

that this guy was seemingly getting away

36:19

with it. Yeah. Again, they knew that

36:21

they believe that he had done it.

36:24

And they just didn't have the evidence to

36:26

hold him accountable. That's the worst kind. Right?

36:28

It's like, well, look, I don't want to

36:31

name any names, but I've mentioned it

36:33

on here before. There's like a case

36:35

from back in my hometown where it's

36:37

like a very well known secret out

36:39

there in the open that allegedly, allegedly,

36:41

allegedly a husband probably killed his wife

36:43

that randomly went missing and ended up

36:45

under a wood pile, but they could

36:47

never arrest him for it. Yeah. Yeah.

36:49

And it was such a piss off.

36:52

Yes. Yeah. Everyone basically knew. Yeah. Allegedly,

36:54

allegedly, allegedly. Yeah. It's making me like

36:56

OJ Simpson, right? Like it's right. Yeah.

36:59

Like that shit happens all the time and it

37:01

is very frustrating. Yeah. Now, despite this

37:03

lack of concrete evidence, the police continued

37:05

to point their finger at William Thomas.

37:07

They were just like, we know he

37:09

did it and we're just, we're going

37:11

to get them. And then on April

37:13

9th, 1968, so basically a

37:15

full year after the murders, William

37:18

Thomas was taken to court. And

37:20

the police presented what little evidence

37:22

they had, which was mostly

37:25

eyewitnesses. There were a few, uh,

37:28

testimonies from several Stanton residents

37:30

who claimed that Thomas had confessed to

37:33

the crime in private conversations. So this

37:35

wasn't just somebody seeing him at the

37:37

ice cream parlor. Now they were residents

37:40

saying that, no, like on the, on

37:42

the low, he confessed to

37:44

me about this. Totally. Yeah. So it's

37:46

just outside of the realm of suspicion

37:49

now and now we're starting to get

37:51

like, you know, some confess. Exactly. Exactly.

37:53

The fuck. Okay. Yeah. We'll

37:55

roll with it. Let's roll with it. Yeah. Confessions

37:57

is so much easier to say than confessions. You

38:00

know what? It softens the blow a

38:02

little bit. It really does. It's like,

38:04

if, not to say that I would

38:06

ever be in law enforcement, but if

38:08

I were, I feel like I could

38:10

definitely, you know, gain some trust by

38:12

sitting down and going, any Confessies? Hey

38:14

girl! Hey! You got any Confessies

38:16

to share? Yeah! Yeah! Like, wanna

38:18

like, socially smoke together and share Confessies? Oh my god, Johnny,

38:20

you can be a man of the cloth. Oh my god.

38:23

You can have your Confessie sessions. Oh. Would

38:25

I be allowed to smoke cigarettes again if I joined

38:28

the church? Would that like, offset? I don't know. I

38:30

don't think so. I guess you're gonna have to ask

38:32

Jesus. No, I don't wanna smoke. Whatever.

38:35

Now, Thomas denied all of these

38:37

claims. Yep. That he

38:40

confessed about murdering anybody. He was just

38:42

like, no I didn't. He said, Confessies

38:44

aside, didn't do it. Exactly.

38:47

Didn't do eee. And his wife actually

38:49

came to his defense. She

38:51

stood before the courts to reveal that

38:54

on the night that the murders happened,

38:56

they had actually spent the evening over

38:58

at a friend's house. Okay. And

39:00

they didn't leave the friend's house until

39:02

10.30pm and they left together. Therefore, it

39:04

would have been physically impossible

39:07

for William Thomas to

39:09

be anywhere near the

39:12

ice cream parlor when the murders happened.

39:15

Okay. Now, when all was said

39:17

and done, it took the jury

39:19

just three hours to return a

39:21

verdict. And they deemed

39:24

that William Thomas was not

39:26

guilty. Basically, they

39:28

said there was not enough evidence

39:30

to suggest that Thomas Williams was

39:32

the man who committed these crimes

39:35

and therefore, he was free to

39:37

go. Okay. Now, obviously,

39:40

this was not the outcome that

39:42

the victims or families were hoping

39:44

for. Yeah. Connie and

39:46

Carolyn had been dead for a year at

39:48

this point and now the investigation seemed to

39:50

be heading back to square one. And

39:52

as we all know, time is

39:55

not on anybody's side in solving

39:57

unsolved murders. No, and that would be so

39:59

frustrating. for the family. 100%. But still in the court

40:01

of public opinion, William

40:05

Thomas was guilty as fuck. Yeah.

40:07

Connie's brother, Carol, truly believed that

40:09

William Thomas was guilty and in

40:12

the summer of 1968, he

40:14

was very close to taking matters

40:17

into his own hands. So

40:19

one day Carol was sitting in

40:21

a retail parking lot when he saw

40:23

William Thomas walking out of a bookstore.

40:25

Okay. Carol was in his truck at

40:27

the time. So he put his truck

40:29

into drive and then he began tailing

40:31

behind William Thomas, like directly behind him.

40:33

And William Thomas was still on foot

40:35

just walking to his car. Totally. Now

40:37

Carol had been steering the truck with his

40:40

left hand and holding a knife in

40:42

his right hand. Oh shit. I thought you

40:44

were going to say that he was

40:46

going to try to pin him with

40:48

the car. Not necessarily. Maybe a few ideas

40:50

floating around. I mean, yeah, one might

40:52

get creative, but fuck. Okay. Yeah. Now

40:54

this doesn't sound as premeditated as it would

40:56

seem. I don't know about you, but

40:59

I don't have a knife just like on

41:01

hand at any random moment. I can't say I

41:03

do. But Carol had the knife

41:06

in his truck all the time because he

41:08

was a truck driver and he liked to

41:10

eat watermelon. So when he was doing long

41:12

drives, it was his watermelon knife. You

41:14

know what? And I can't blame him for that. I

41:16

might do the same. I might actually have a watermelon knife

41:18

if I was in the same place. Yeah. You can't eat

41:20

a watermelon without a knife. What are you going to

41:22

do? I mean, I suppose you could smash it open, but

41:25

you're going to lose all the juices and you're going to

41:27

lose a lot of that delicious watermelon in the process.

41:29

Yeah. It's like, bitch, my wit is my sword, but

41:31

I ain't going to cut a watermelon. No. Thank you.

41:33

I'm going to charm the watermelon. Sure. You could do

41:35

that rubber band thing. I'm going to turn my pants

41:37

off a watermelon. Yeah. You could

41:39

try to seduce it, but it might

41:42

not work. Hell yeah. Then I'll resort

41:44

to the rubber band. That's the final

41:46

solution. Anyway. But anyway, yeah, Carol was

41:48

driving the truck with one hand, watermelon

41:51

knife in the other. As one does.

41:53

Yeah. He slowly pulled his truck up

41:55

alongside William Thomas and just watched him

41:57

through the window for a second. At

42:00

this point, Carol's heart was racing. His pulse

42:02

was just going a mile a minute. And

42:05

he considered jumping out of the

42:07

truck with his knife. But then

42:10

in a very brief moment of clarity,

42:13

he said to himself or thought to himself,

42:15

like, what if this guy didn't do it?

42:17

What if he is actually guilty? And

42:19

there you ruined your knife. And then you've ruined

42:22

your knife. You've taken a life. And then also

42:24

you got to get new Watermelon knife. And you're

42:26

probably also going to not be able to bring

42:28

that into prison with you. Definitely not. Now,

42:30

with this moment of clarity, Carol

42:33

decided to just drive past Thomas.

42:35

Yeah. But then he saw Thomas

42:37

in his rearview mirror. And

42:40

then he saw red again. He just immediately

42:42

went from zero to 100. So

42:44

he slammed on the brakes, slid

42:46

his car into reverse. However, by

42:48

the time he got his truck

42:51

back to where he was

42:53

aiming, William Thomas was already

42:55

in his own vehicle. And

42:57

therefore was just basically

43:00

Carol just lost his moment to

43:02

enact his revenge. And he couldn't

43:04

even get a good backup on

43:06

him. Yeah. The thing is though,

43:08

Carol was already in his own

43:10

vehicle. And therefore was

43:12

just basically

43:14

Carol just lost his moment to

43:16

enact his revenge. He couldn't even

43:19

get a good backup on him.

43:21

Yeah. The thing is though, Carol

43:23

was really glad in the end

43:25

that he didn't act on his

43:27

impulses that day. Because if he

43:29

had of attacked or killed William

43:31

Thomas, he would have attacked

43:33

an innocent man. Oh,

43:36

yeah. Okay. The back remains. That's

43:39

the police. Yeah. I'd like to take

43:41

a moment to apologize to the Thomas.

43:43

Yes. Just briefly. Sorry, William Thomas. Look,

43:45

didn't mean to come for you there.

43:47

No. Hope

43:49

we can move forward from this. Yeah.

43:51

Okay. So the fact remains,

43:54

as I was saying, the police never

43:56

made any more arrests in the murder

43:58

of Connie Smoot's Heavener. Caroline

44:00

K. Perry. The case was never

44:02

solved and for more than 40

44:05

years, William Thomas remained their one and

44:07

only suspect. But then, on November 28th,

44:09

2008, the real killer emerged. When

44:17

a 60 year old woman

44:19

named Sharon Diane Crawford Smith

44:22

confessed to the murders on

44:24

her deathbed. What? Yeah. Uh

44:28

huh. Yeah, like come

44:30

over here little Johnny, I got something

44:32

to share. Yeah. I'm just imagining. It's

44:34

so funny because in

44:37

my head, I was going through this scenario

44:39

and I was like, okay, if you were

44:41

there with somebody and they confessed a murder

44:43

to you on their deathbed, would

44:45

you punch them in the face

44:47

and expedite their death? Sorry. Well,

44:52

you know, but then you're going to be having a murder

44:54

case of your own. It's a matter

44:58

of time. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. Nobody

45:00

confessed to me. I feel like I'd have a really

45:02

bad knee jerk reaction. You know what I mean? I

45:04

wouldn't be able to hold back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

45:07

I'm not a violent person, but anyway, move on.

45:09

So yeah, we've got a deathbed confession. That's fucked.

45:11

So at the time of the murders, Sharon

45:13

Smith was 19 years old and

45:16

worked with Connie and Carolyn at High's ice

45:18

cream parlor. She was one of the coworkers.

45:21

Yeah. So according to Sharon, she had

45:23

stopped by the store that night to tell

45:25

Connie and Carolyn that she wouldn't be able

45:27

to come into work for her next

45:29

shift. I think she also worked at like

45:31

a hospital, like volunteering and stuff at the

45:34

time. So it was saving lives. Yeah,

45:36

exactly. Okay. The thing is she said she

45:38

just went there to just be like, Hey, I'm not

45:40

able to work whenever. And, uh, but

45:42

she did admit to having a gun on

45:44

her and she said she had it on

45:47

her for protection and claims that she only

45:49

shot Connie and Carolyn after they teased her

45:51

for being a lesbian. Mm hmm.

45:54

So in her deathbed confession, Sharon told

45:56

the police that Connie and Carolyn had

45:58

been teasing her about her her sexuality

46:00

for quite some time and that that

46:03

night they took things too far and

46:05

for lack of a better word, she

46:07

had had enough. Shit. Sharon

46:10

explained that being a homosexual in

46:12

1968 was very different, like

46:14

it had very different ramifications. Yeah, pre-Stonewall

46:16

dude. And she said that her actions

46:18

were somewhat based out of fear and

46:20

frustration. I mean, pepper and a little

46:23

bit of anger there too. Yeah, totally.

46:25

During the police interview, Sharon said

46:27

that she felt great shame over

46:30

what she had done. Although it

46:32

was noted by the interviewing investigator,

46:34

Mike King, that she seemed to

46:36

have very little remorse. She said

46:38

that she felt shame, but she

46:40

didn't show a lot of remorse.

46:43

And she also stated in her own

46:45

words that she was not interested in

46:47

psychoanalyzing the murders. What? No!

46:51

You don't get to do that! You don't get to be like,

46:53

I took two lives and I've never owned up to it. But

46:55

you know what? I just, I'm not talking about it.

46:57

Ask me no more questions. You know what? I

46:59

just can't. I just can't with your drama right

47:01

now. Exactly. I'm dying. Excuse me.

47:04

Oh my god, I'm back to wanting to punch the person. I

47:06

don't care if you're queer. No! Absolutely

47:08

not. I don't fucking care. I don't care

47:11

how you identify. I don't care who you fuck. Oh my god.

47:13

We're not murdering people, okay? Yeah, that's like that

47:15

meme that's like, I don't care if you're transgender,

47:18

clean your damn room. Like, you know what I

47:20

mean? Like, yeah. Exactly.

47:23

Yeah, act correct. Yeah,

47:26

and I mean like, we're not even

47:28

talking respectability here. We're just talking not

47:30

taking lives. Yeah. You know?

47:33

Exactly. Like, you can get your revenge in

47:35

other ways. Oh my god, this gay people

47:37

can be assholes. They sure can. And also,

47:40

it's not clean your, it's clean your damn

47:42

microwave. Oh, is that it? Which

47:44

is true. Yeah. If anybody

47:47

wants to know a good tip for cleaning your microwave

47:49

please. I learned this when I worked at a coffee

47:51

shop and it changed my life. You

47:53

take a little bowl of water with

47:55

some dish soap and you microwave it

47:57

in your microwave for like a minute.

48:00

And then you just take a sponge or a

48:02

cloth and you can just wipe up all the

48:04

gunk because it just all that steam and all

48:06

That soapiness just like loosens up all the food

48:08

bits and the splatter and you can just wipe

48:10

it all the way damn You

48:13

I know right Now should

48:15

we get back to talking about the matter at

48:17

hand? I mean yeah, yeah Yeah, maybe

48:19

does this woman just confess to murder on her

48:21

deathbed? And that's pretty fucking egregious and she had

48:23

the gall to be like don't at

48:26

me. Yeah talk to the hand. Yeah so

48:30

Sharon would be formally charged with

48:32

the murders of Connie and Carolyn

48:34

on December 12th 2008

48:37

however Sharon would never see the

48:39

inside of a courtroom She was

48:41

scheduled to appear on January 6

48:43

2009 But

48:45

she was too ill to attend and then

48:48

she ended up passing away on January 9th

48:53

This effectively closed the

48:55

case closed it. I wouldn't say

48:57

this was closure No, but here's

48:59

the thing despite her deathbed confession

49:02

Sharon still managed to take a

49:04

few secrets with her to the

49:06

grave really Yeah So back

49:08

in November when Sharon first confessed to

49:10

her crimes the police asked her about

49:12

the murder weapon And what she had

49:14

done with it because it had never

49:16

been found. Yeah, and according to Sharon

49:19

Davey Bo cock helped her

49:21

hide it why the same Davey Bo

49:23

cock who was the lead investigator in

49:26

the highs murder case Okay,

49:31

yeah, okay, I'm turning into Scooby-Doo,

49:33

uh-huh, what's up? Well, we don't

49:35

know what's up because Sharon refused

49:37

to elaborate any further and since

49:39

Davey Bo cock died back in

49:43

2006 he wasn't able to address it either So

49:45

basically we will never know for

49:48

sure how involved he was in

49:50

covering up the crime or exactly why

49:52

he decided to do it Although some

49:54

theories have emerged now some people suspect

49:56

that Davey Bo cock might have been

49:59

in a secret relationship, sorry,

50:01

relationship with Sharon Smith.

50:04

Despite the fact that Sharon was a

50:06

lesbian and was in a same-sex relationship

50:08

when she died, she did have two

50:10

daughters, which would suggest that maybe she

50:12

tried to quote unquote lead a normal

50:14

life. Maybe she was bisexual, I don't

50:16

really know. But some people thought maybe

50:18

that Davey Bocock was covering for her

50:20

because they were in some sort of

50:22

her entanglement. Another theory

50:24

is that Davey Bocock maybe

50:27

acted as somewhat of a father figure

50:30

for Sharon. During her deathbed confessions,

50:32

Sharon did allude to the fact

50:34

that she had been sexually abused

50:36

by her father as a child,

50:38

but she didn't elaborate on that

50:40

either. But some people think that

50:42

maybe Davey Bocock knew about this

50:44

and might have taken it upon

50:46

himself to protect her. But

50:48

whatever the reason, covering up a

50:50

murder is not okay. And the

50:52

truly wild thing about this as

50:54

well is that Davey Bocock knowingly

50:56

tried to pin the murders on

50:59

an innocent man by targeting

51:01

William Thomas. He wasn't even

51:03

just like, oh, never solved. He

51:05

literally tried to have

51:07

somebody take the fall and

51:10

go to jail for their entire

51:12

life. For doing nothing. And

51:16

obviously the fact that William Thomas was

51:18

the prime suspect in this murder case

51:20

had huge ramifications on the rest of

51:23

his life. Although he was proven to

51:25

be innocent, like even in court at

51:27

the time, he was constantly treated like

51:30

he was guilty. He claims that he

51:32

was never able to secure a full

51:34

time job ever again, not even like

51:36

a retail job. And he

51:39

certainly lost his career as a school

51:41

teacher because he had a criminal record

51:43

now as a result of this. So

51:46

yeah, he really struggled to find work

51:48

for the rest of his life as a result of this.

52:00

We don't kill people no no no we're hit

52:02

back. I get it like all that kind of

52:04

we don't hit back that hard We gay do

52:06

crime not that shit. No So

52:10

literal uh-uh Not what it's about yeah

52:12

now on top of all of that

52:14

not being able to work Thomas said

52:16

that he had to endure decades of

52:19

harassment by citizens He said he felt

52:21

shunned by city officials And he got

52:23

looked at weird by local police because

52:25

everybody basically thought that he was a

52:27

murderer Who had gotten away with it

52:30

now once his innocence was proven in

52:32

2008 with this deathbed confession? Thomas

52:36

decided that it was time to

52:38

sue the city of Stanton okay?

52:40

He requested 200 million dollars in

52:43

damages. Oh, there's a lot of

52:45

fucking money Yeah,

52:47

but in 2011 the suit was dismissed Basically

52:51

the court said although they could not

52:53

deny that William Thomas did suffer a

52:56

great deal as a result of these

52:58

false Accusations he and his

53:00

lawyers failed to prove how that suffering

53:02

could be directly attributed to the city itself

53:04

Okay, the city was basically just like there

53:06

are a lot of other factors in there

53:08

some of which we maybe are not in

53:11

control Of therefore we're not going to give

53:13

you 200 million dollars Can't we can we

53:15

point the guy in the direction of who

53:17

did to sue them right because somebody owes

53:19

him something yeah My guess is he would

53:22

probably have to do all kinds of different

53:25

Procedures like different sue this person sue that

53:27

person sue this person you know what I

53:29

mean But like if you're somebody without any means

53:31

how are you actually gonna do that right? So

53:34

and and he did not have a lot of

53:36

means like I think a big part of the

53:38

reason why he never moved away He just couldn't

53:40

afford to like he was living in like a

53:42

family house at the time well Yeah, they fucked

53:44

him out of work for his entire life because

53:46

somebody tried to pin a crime on him He

53:48

was at a nation's to the city. Yeah, he's

53:50

now saying oh, we're gonna do anything right I

53:52

feel really fucking bad for this guy, and he

53:54

definitely deserves some kind of compensation But again who

53:56

and what is the entity

53:58

that is supposed to? compensate him I don't

54:01

really know I'm not a lawyer. Yeah I

54:03

mean I'm just a podiatrist. Yeah. I have

54:05

no answers. Maybe he should just you know

54:07

relieve himself on a certain

54:09

person's grave. I don't know. I'm not

54:11

encouraging to facing a grave. Oh please

54:13

yeah no and just say it's a

54:15

it's what the compost. Yeah. Composting. Exactly.

54:18

I'm not shitting on her grave. Yeah

54:20

or his grave you know. Or do number ones

54:22

on one number twos on the other because there

54:25

are two people that he should be very mad

54:27

at. Yes absolutely. Now

54:29

with Sharon Smith and Davey Bocock

54:31

dead no one really expected any

54:33

more revelations in this case but

54:36

then in August of 2009

54:39

a woman named Joyce Bradshaw

54:41

told Stanton police of a

54:43

conversation that she had with

54:45

Sharon Smith ten days before

54:48

the murders occurred. So

54:50

Joyce said that Sharon was one of

54:52

her aides at the Western State Hospital.

54:54

Sharon did move on to become an

54:56

LPN so that actually tracks what horrifying

54:59

to think that this person was responsible for taking

55:01

care of other people. Oh my god right. It's

55:03

always the mean girls that have become. Not

55:06

all nurses. No. But you all have to admit

55:08

there are some people that you went to high

55:11

school with and you're like you work in nursing.

55:13

Yeah. You're rotted ass helping people.

55:16

Okay. You're trying to change. You're

55:18

trying to change the Carmack Tides

55:20

and we love you for that.

55:23

I hope you are doing well.

55:25

Over there. Yeah. But dang. There

55:27

are some. There are some. And

55:30

I mean that's the same for any profession. Listen like people

55:32

who go into teaching some people will do it because they

55:34

love it and they want to help kids. Yeah. Other people

55:36

do it. I don't know why they do it honestly. But

55:39

every graduating class has at least one really mean girl that

55:41

went into nursing and you all know who she is in

55:43

your class. Just saying if you don't it might be you.

55:45

Bye. That's that maybe.

55:47

Don't hit me. Yeah. But anyway Joyce

55:49

said that she knew Sharon through the

55:52

fact that she wasn't eight at the

55:54

hospital and like they were nice. They

55:56

weren't like super friends. She did say

55:58

that she was very tomboy. Yeah, aka

56:00

a big ol lesbian. I love

56:02

it. She said tomboyish. Yeah Basically

56:06

Joyce was like, yeah, like we were

56:08

cool. It was fine. Yeah, big deal.

56:10

What's up? Um, but one day on

56:14

April 1st on or around April 1st

56:17

1967 Joyce said that she got a call from

56:19

Sharon Inviting her out for a

56:22

burger now, like I said, they weren't really

56:24

friends But Joyce didn't really see the Harmon

56:26

going out grabbing some food Yeah, so she

56:28

accepted the invite now shortly

56:30

after Joyce recalled sitting in Sharon's car

56:33

outside Kenny burger and they were just

56:35

eating their din-dins and as

56:37

they sat in the car They were

56:39

chatting and then eventually Sharon told Joyce

56:42

to open up the glove compartment in

56:44

her car And when

56:46

she did she saw a pistol

56:48

and that's when Sharon told Joyce

56:50

quote There's two bullets in that

56:53

gun one of them's for my stepfather

56:55

The other is for the heaven or girl on

56:57

Grubert Avenue Heaven

56:59

or girl being Connie. Yeah Now

57:04

as Joyce Bradshaw was being interviewed about this

57:06

in 2009 she was asked why She

57:10

waited 41 years to reveal this like Yeah,

57:14

why why didn't you talk about this

57:17

before a dick move? The thing is

57:19

Joyce Shot back and

57:21

she was like don't say shot back Oh

57:25

The thing is yeah Joyce

57:27

basically said that she did tell

57:29

somebody about this But

57:31

who do you think she told? Mm-hmm

57:35

Davy Bo Cuck the

57:37

day after the murders at the ice

57:39

cream parlor happened Joyce went

57:42

into the police station sat down with Davy

57:44

Bo Cuck told him everything that I just

57:46

told you and That's

57:48

it. Nothing ever came from it So

57:52

Joyce Bradshaw's story is very enlightening

57:54

to say the least It

57:56

further suggests that Davy Bo Cuck was a

57:58

big piece of shit and actively sabotage

58:01

the entire investigation. And deserves to have

58:03

his grave shed on. And deserves to

58:05

have his grave shed on. Absolutely. Sorry

58:07

about it. Yeah, not sorry. Allegedly, allegedly,

58:10

allegedly. I have no power over what

58:12

people do. Right. But what this also

58:14

reveals is that the killings were maybe

58:17

not as spontaneous as Sharon suggested on

58:19

her deathbed. Either

58:22

way, it's been 15 years

58:24

since Sharon Smith's deathbed confessions.

58:26

The families of the victims

58:28

finally have some answers, but

58:30

they may never know the whole

58:32

truth. And that's a shitty thing

58:34

to sit with. Yeah. But with

58:36

that being said, that is

58:39

the case of the murders

58:41

of Connie Smoot-Teviner and Carolyn

58:43

Kay Perry, aka the Heis

58:45

Ice Cream Murder. And

58:47

now I would just like to thank

58:49

my source. Thanks to nbcnews.com for the

58:52

article, 67 Killer 2

58:54

Cops, Victim Called Me Lesbian. That was written

58:56

by the Associated Press and published January 2nd,

58:58

2009. Thanks

59:00

to CNN for the article, Woman Confesses

59:02

to 1967 Slayings. That

59:05

was written by Ashley Brogton. Thanks

59:07

to the oaklandpress.com for the article,

59:09

Virginia Woman Accused of 1967 Slaying

59:11

of 2 Dies. That

59:15

was published January 20th, 2009. Thanks

59:18

to journalnow.com for the article, Newly Indicted

59:21

Woman Dies. That was written by the

59:23

Hickory Record Staff and published on January

59:25

24th, 2009. Updated

59:28

April 16th, 2021. Thanks

59:30

to valawyersweekly.com for the article,

59:32

Deathbed Confessions Implicates Former Detective.

59:34

That was written by Peter

59:36

Vieth and published January 23rd,

59:38

2009. Thanks

59:41

to the newyorkdailynews.com for Ice

59:44

Cream Cold Case of

59:46

1967. Solved Report of Killer's

59:48

Death in 2009, but Still Leaves Questions. That

59:50

was published January 23rd, 2010. Updated

59:53

January 11th, 2019. Thanks

59:56

to wnewsj.com. for

1:00:00

the article shots ring out in ice cream parlor that

1:00:02

was published April 5th 2016 and then thanks to

1:00:07

the rich or thanks to richmond.com for

1:00:09

the article plot thickens in 1967 murder

1:00:11

deathbed confession

1:00:13

gun turned in that was published on

1:00:15

January 23rd 2009 and then finally thanks

1:00:17

to read the

1:00:21

hook.net for two articles the first

1:00:23

one suit dismissed 200 million

1:00:26

action over highs prosecution hits bump

1:00:28

that was written by Courtney Stewart published

1:00:30

April 15 2011 and then read the hook dot

1:00:35

net one more time for the cover

1:00:37

story we just want the truth Connie

1:00:39

Hevener's family wants to know why a

1:00:42

cop allegedly hid her killer for 40

1:00:44

years that was written by Lindsay Barnes

1:00:46

and published on February 26th

1:00:49

2009. All right thank you Tyler

1:00:51

you're welcome my blood is boiling.

1:00:53

I know right and you don't

1:00:56

want ice cream do you? Not

1:00:59

delicious you were right. That's

1:01:05

not just the sound of that first sip of

1:01:07

morning joe. It's the sound of someone shopping for

1:01:09

a car on Carvana from the comfort of home.

1:01:11

That's a good blend. It's time to take

1:01:13

it easy. Like answering some easy questions to

1:01:15

get pre-qualified for a car in minutes. Talk

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so, divas, girly pops, baby dolls, this

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week I'm gonna be wrapping things up

1:02:07

and what better way to do so

1:02:09

after all that and then some good

1:02:12

ol' folklore. Oh hell yeah, that's what

1:02:14

we need! That's what the girly wants.

1:02:17

You're welcome. Although I should note that this

1:02:19

will also tie into a real life mysterious

1:02:21

death, so we're not completely in the realm

1:02:23

of fancy here, but you

1:02:25

know what you're in for. In the confines of

1:02:27

this show, this is lighter fare. Exactly, it's not

1:02:30

gonna turn into an episode of CSI by the

1:02:32

end of it. So anyway, today we

1:02:34

are going to be going across the

1:02:36

pond to talk about the legend of

1:02:39

The Lantern Man. Have you heard of

1:02:41

this one, Tyler? It sounds familiar. Yeah,

1:02:43

I mean it probably does seem familiar

1:02:45

because like this case in and of

1:02:48

itself does have a connective tissue with

1:02:50

other ghost light stories from out there

1:02:52

in global folklore. Yes, ghost lights of

1:02:54

course. Yeah, it relates

1:02:56

to Willow the Wisps which are

1:02:59

tied into the origin of

1:03:01

the Jack-O-Lantern, all that kind of stuff. We've

1:03:03

mentioned it on here in passing before,

1:03:06

but the particular spirit we are

1:03:08

going to be talking about today

1:03:10

or type of spirit is said

1:03:12

to mainly inhabit the Fens in

1:03:14

England. And unlike some other ghost

1:03:16

light stories, this also has a

1:03:19

very specific apparition associated with

1:03:21

it. So it's almost special.

1:03:23

It's kind of like a regional version of

1:03:25

the lower, but we'll put a pin in

1:03:27

that for later. So let's just

1:03:30

get into it. So to get

1:03:32

a sense of where we are talking

1:03:34

about, the eastern Fenslands or

1:03:36

the Fens are a marshy

1:03:38

region of eastern England which

1:03:41

occupies almost 4,000 square kilometers of the eastern

1:03:45

coastline of the country and quite a bit of

1:03:48

land inward. It spans from around

1:03:50

the area of Norfolk to Lincolnshire, which if

1:03:52

you're not looking at a map from the

1:03:54

area, it probably doesn't make much sense to

1:03:56

you, but again, 4,000 square Kilometers.

1:03:59

It's a... Pretty substantial wetland. The

1:04:01

hell yeah it is. As long as

1:04:03

hell that's longer than like the province

1:04:05

we grew up at. Yeah, we're pretty

1:04:07

smooth. And

1:04:09

it's current state. The land is like

1:04:11

much less marshy Ban it once was

1:04:13

primarily due to like centuries of dream

1:04:16

it's efforts and than have taken place

1:04:18

for numerous reasons, primarily agriculture. My wee

1:04:20

man at Marshes known I mean I

1:04:22

know any other are kind of bogged

1:04:24

down, live is easy to die and

1:04:27

mom alone off into a i'm like

1:04:29

The thing is. Though like that sucks

1:04:31

bemoan the other side training them

1:04:33

kind of results in them becoming

1:04:35

like super low lying land of

1:04:37

places with sing Polls original afraid

1:04:39

center it's it's pretty soft tripping

1:04:41

hazard Batman totally. In fact this

1:04:43

area in particular has earned the

1:04:45

distinction as containing the lowest point

1:04:47

in the United Kingdom which is

1:04:49

home fan and can bridge or

1:04:51

Cambridge sure a hot which sinks

1:04:53

down about nine feet below sea

1:04:55

level. as deep as point. Why

1:04:57

that? Yeah So get into Wiccan

1:05:00

Santa. To be Y C T and

1:05:02

that not have you. I see see A

1:05:04

and we're not that hard core but this

1:05:06

is close to the aforementioned. Town.

1:05:09

Of Cambridge. share of had into it's

1:05:11

and little witchy right? I love it.

1:05:13

It's perfect for a story like this.

1:05:16

His own wiccan fan is primarily a

1:05:18

wild marshland that has been managed by

1:05:20

inhabitants over the last few centuries. but

1:05:22

like needless to say it's a super

1:05:25

boggy area. Even on a good day

1:05:27

it's a bit treacherous to traverse but

1:05:29

even more so me go back and

1:05:31

on a few hundred years before all

1:05:34

the drain it's efforts share and of

1:05:36

is is really where our topic today

1:05:38

comes to gather as. It was

1:05:40

said that along with the inherent danger

1:05:42

of the marshland up in the fans,

1:05:45

the weaken fans in particular contained a

1:05:47

spooky eg. resident that was known for

1:05:49

leading many to their deaths through. and

1:05:51

that's just so happens to be the

1:05:53

Lantern Man. Oh hell yes you. the

1:05:56

music. It's it's it's feeling very like

1:05:58

haggis. you know very much. That because

1:06:00

this will hague love to do. Oh baby

1:06:02

she loves to hang out with the gays

1:06:04

and then you have to drag people date

1:06:06

of out at least loves drag shows up

1:06:08

she loves her game and see also a

1:06:10

dragon people them to about the death Hell

1:06:13

yeah yeah. Who. Is

1:06:15

see who is here to get an

1:06:17

idea what the land from and looks

1:06:19

like. First pictures of out on the

1:06:22

marshes. At night it's hard to see

1:06:24

considering you know the infamous of the

1:06:26

dark thoughts. Often the distance you see

1:06:29

light sometimes methodically moving around the marshes.

1:06:31

other sounds more like a radical moving,

1:06:33

but it's not like this pinprick of

1:06:36

like a firefly light or something diminutive

1:06:38

like Sablich, rather a very apparent flame

1:06:40

of a lantern dancing off in the

1:06:43

desk. and all the while. It's

1:06:45

holder is signaling moves repealed nasty

1:06:47

marshland with relative ease and agility.

1:06:50

Now. You may at first think

1:06:52

to this is some sort of like

1:06:54

to somebody like the folks claimed to

1:06:56

see sometimes out in the dead of

1:06:59

night in wooded areas. But it's not

1:07:01

exactly that because like I mentioned in

1:07:03

this case there's a figure attached to

1:07:05

the old where the old lab I'm

1:07:08

setting up a scene that so to

1:07:10

make matters even free Gear is the

1:07:12

ambiguous form of what seems to be

1:07:15

a shadowy imposing man definitely carrying around

1:07:17

lantern. but again, like I said managing

1:07:19

the Boggs. With ease amounts of fi

1:07:21

re because you should be trip in

1:07:24

and you should be fall and exactly

1:07:26

and use your feeling on offset me

1:07:28

know what i mean yes I am

1:07:30

a new sneakers or wet now.would totally

1:07:32

be near goes to I would blow

1:07:34

my cover ever tried but anyway that

1:07:36

is said to beat the lantern man

1:07:39

there. He is also said to primarily

1:07:41

be attracted to folks wandering the sense

1:07:43

that night who whistle as they travel

1:07:45

a bit as a cruise and queen

1:07:47

was gonna say out because it's a

1:07:49

perfect. Way for the Lantern Man to

1:07:52

case victims out there. are you know

1:07:54

the into darkness of the know that

1:07:56

the beep as she wanted to see

1:07:58

body is Marsha Marsha. It's

1:08:00

like a some kind of like fucked

1:08:02

up one sided Marco Polo Rai. very

1:08:05

much that. Yeah. So anyway, The Way

1:08:07

To Man is also kind of one

1:08:09

of those spirits that prefers the long

1:08:11

con as it said that they're not

1:08:13

out there in these marsh streets trying

1:08:15

to overtly harm their I'm Lucky victims

1:08:17

like in the sense that they're not

1:08:20

trying like hit people were set them

1:08:22

on fire. Yeah, Instead, The Lantern Man

1:08:24

is known for leading their victims to

1:08:26

a watery death either by code, seen

1:08:28

them out to the. Water's Edge or

1:08:30

into an unexpected sinkhole. Okay, but how

1:08:33

is the lander man gonna convince me

1:08:35

to go into the water? What? Because

1:08:37

either due to be like oh, it's

1:08:39

dark when his follow this lantern, maybe

1:08:41

there's somebody out there both. or you're

1:08:43

like oh god, this person's following neat,

1:08:45

run in the opposite direction of lantern

1:08:47

until all of a sudden you've accidentally

1:08:50

run into the water. So you're either

1:08:52

just it's like a fight or flight

1:08:54

moment. You the like, okay, this is

1:08:56

my friend or this is my enemy.

1:08:58

Either way, exactly it's gonna. Fuck with

1:09:00

you. It's going to disorient you because

1:09:02

this is like back in the day

1:09:04

you're in the woods honey. You don't

1:09:06

have some sort of like of focus

1:09:08

will flashlight or anything like that. Yeah.

1:09:11

I'll even care is coming up. I don't want

1:09:13

to if I'm in the woods, I don't want

1:09:15

to see anybody light on the only person allowed

1:09:17

to be in the woods with on it and

1:09:20

this is what the man to man is preying

1:09:22

on. It will also lead people to the point

1:09:24

that is a son saw some some sort of

1:09:26

like unshakable situation at. but anyway it's like the

1:09:28

lantern man isn't matter to he's just like disappointed

1:09:30

you know and I mean our which we all

1:09:33

know is worse Exactly like is not gonna push

1:09:35

you into the water but he's definitely going to

1:09:37

give your run around in to the dark like

1:09:39

to the point that it just becomes. so disoriented

1:09:41

that you end up in my fatal

1:09:43

trouble he acts typical fuck boy behavior

1:09:46

hundred percent now there have been a

1:09:48

number of encounters with the land her

1:09:50

man over the years and as a

1:09:52

man sound one of them even intersects

1:09:54

with a real us disappearance but will

1:09:56

cover it up one last in mean

1:09:58

time There are a bunch of different

1:10:01

stories out there from people who have

1:10:03

allegedly Accountered the lantern man and lived

1:10:05

to tell in his book

1:10:07

this haunted isle Peter Underwood actually shares

1:10:09

a number of anecdotes With

1:10:12

one coming from a coach man

1:10:14

who worked for a lady cram

1:10:16

wood from the area who claimed

1:10:18

to have encountered the lantern man

1:10:20

Numerous times when riding through Wiccan

1:10:22

then okay oftentimes He would see

1:10:24

the ghostly apparition running around the

1:10:26

carriage as he rode in it

1:10:29

Like it would just start running at him,

1:10:31

which is like some get out kind of

1:10:34

shit Yeah, it is and it always appeared

1:10:36

after He like accidentally

1:10:38

whistled or somebody on the carriage whistled like

1:10:40

it seemed to be that that was like

1:10:42

what brought them It's like

1:10:44

playing Shania brings the gays, you know Absolutely.

1:10:47

Anyway later on in that chapter

1:10:51

Underwood would also share an anecdote from

1:10:53

a fisher who frequented Wiccan's then and

1:10:55

claimed to have encountered the lantern man

1:10:58

after whistling during his Travels, however,

1:11:00

he quickly devised a plan to evade

1:11:02

the spirit and belly flopped into the

1:11:04

mud like lying face down Until

1:11:07

the spirit past like some sort of like

1:11:09

Lord of the Rings shit. It is very

1:11:11

that's like cover yourself in hay Screeching

1:11:15

dudes in the woods, I think so, you know, but

1:11:17

they're like hiding out in the woods or in

1:11:20

the in the roots of the tree Oh,

1:11:22

yeah They're like the

1:11:24

the horsemen like the black like almost

1:11:27

like death. Yeah I haven't seen those

1:11:29

movies in forever and then and honestly I

1:11:31

came out saying you know I just like

1:11:33

men in black flashed my memory clean after

1:11:35

that Lord of the Rings too straight for

1:11:37

you Johnny Absolutely has fairies. You know, it

1:11:39

has elves doesn't have fairies is or the

1:11:41

rings have I'm sure there's some deep queer

1:11:43

cuts in Lord of the Rings Yeah This

1:11:47

is not a call-out podcast in that way.

1:11:49

I mean Sam did Honestly,

1:11:51

I don't know I would I don't know

1:11:53

if you would go to the lens that same white games you

1:11:55

did for a friend Hmm. I would have

1:11:58

back in the day before I came Let

1:12:00

me tell you that I too very much

1:12:02

cared about my friends. Yeah, and was always

1:12:05

very upset When

1:12:07

it when my friendship with a certain

1:12:10

individual would come into question anyway, let's

1:12:12

move on so

1:12:15

In this collection. I should also note

1:12:17

that Peter Underwood claims that there are

1:12:19

stories of the lantern man attacking people

1:12:21

though But he doesn't really elaborate on

1:12:23

that right Yeah, and considering that

1:12:26

most of the experiences are like this kind

1:12:28

of like indirect line of attack It's

1:12:31

just I don't know. Maybe he's all talk Yeah

1:12:33

he like doesn't really like to get physical because

1:12:35

I can imagine like what if you just stood

1:12:37

your ground and the lantern man was Coming to

1:12:40

you and then he just got like a foot

1:12:42

away from you and then it's just this really

1:12:44

kind of like awkward silence It's sort of like

1:12:46

oh, we've been chatting online. Yeah two months and

1:12:48

now we're meeting and the vibe isn't like really

1:12:51

there Yeah, and it's like you're the lantern man,

1:12:53

but I'm the witch of the woods and you

1:12:55

actually have bigger things to fear. Exactly. Yeah And

1:12:59

that's why I'm so glad I'm not online dating

1:13:01

anymore Anyway, even Underwood

1:13:03

notes that the egg rowing counters are

1:13:05

in the minority But regardless this has

1:13:07

been pointed to as a way to

1:13:09

avoid the spirit of lantern man Just

1:13:11

flop down and some mud hide out

1:13:13

and he'll just move on. That's great

1:13:15

Yeah, another way to avoid the lantern

1:13:17

man or to you know, throw him

1:13:20

off your scent is by use of

1:13:22

a buddy So allegedly some

1:13:24

people have found success Confusing

1:13:26

the lantern man by standing

1:13:28

opposite of each other in the dark woods

1:13:31

and whistling Yeah, I

1:13:33

give him a taste of his own medicine

1:13:35

He doesn't know where to go Exactly because

1:13:37

he follows the listening But then by the

1:13:39

time that he almost gets to one person

1:13:41

the other person whistles pulling him away Oh,

1:13:45

I love it. It was a real game

1:13:47

of Marco Polo. Yeah, just tire him out.

1:13:49

Wear that Queen down Exactly

1:13:51

keeping the spirit in constant motion

1:13:53

so that it affords you enough

1:13:55

time to get away Anyway

1:13:58

in terms of other local of

1:14:00

the Lantern Man, the story was notably

1:14:02

mentioned by a Mrs. Lubbock in an

1:14:05

1849 paper that

1:14:07

was published by a Reverend John

1:14:09

Gunn, who had actually interviewed

1:14:11

Mrs. Lubbock. And

1:14:13

later the story was also recounted in

1:14:16

other collections. But anyway, Lubbock, as if

1:14:18

we're buddies, as if, you know, we're

1:14:21

on the force. You got the source, the

1:14:23

primary source. Yo, Lubbock's got me handled. So

1:14:25

Lubbock says to me, she told me that

1:14:27

she was near Earthstead at a place called

1:14:30

Herds Hole. Hold for applause. A

1:14:32

man had been drowned for crimes that he

1:14:35

had committed, and in that place a light

1:14:37

was often seen bobbing up from the spot

1:14:39

in the water that he was drowned at.

1:14:42

And of course, this was

1:14:44

associated with his spirit. And

1:14:46

the spirit would allegedly harass

1:14:48

people and chase them, destroying

1:14:51

passers-by lanterns if they didn't

1:14:53

extinguish them upon seeing the Lantern Man.

1:14:55

He was like, I'm the only Lantern

1:14:57

Man. Exactly. He was like, there can

1:14:59

be only one. And there was even

1:15:02

an instance where he was known for following

1:15:04

a man home and torching up the

1:15:06

windows, as they said, after he rode by

1:15:08

on horseback and was foolish enough to sneer

1:15:11

and whistle at the Lantern Man. Yeah.

1:15:14

And so I don't believe that he like

1:15:16

set us house on fire, but was just,

1:15:19

you know, ruining the vibe of the night

1:15:21

by just lighting up his windows, almost like

1:15:23

he was just like shining his headlights in

1:15:25

it. Right. Because you can't shine

1:15:27

brighter than the Lantern Man. Baby. And

1:15:29

you can't just like ride by on your horse, make

1:15:31

fun of the Lantern Man, and think there

1:15:34

are going to be no repercussions. Right? Thank

1:15:36

you. Like he already doesn't like whistling. No,

1:15:38

exactly. So you're going to be whistling with

1:15:41

sneering involved? No. You're going to set

1:15:44

that girl off. Yeah. The

1:15:46

Lantern Man is a chaos goblin. And don't bully

1:15:48

a bitch. That's also just like private, like have

1:15:50

some manners. True. So anyway,

1:15:52

this guy literally fucked around and found out.

1:15:54

And according to Mrs. Lubbock, some men from

1:15:57

the community also tried to calm down the

1:15:59

spirit. by reading Bible verses to

1:16:01

it. But let's just say that did

1:16:03

nothing. No, because that story sucks. Right.

1:16:06

Allegedly, the spirit even was like, okay,

1:16:08

I know this. They were reading the

1:16:10

verses back at a quicker pace as

1:16:12

if it just like totally dunk on

1:16:14

these locals. Oh, really? Exactly. It was

1:16:16

like, oh, you want to recite John

1:16:19

to me? Okay, baby, let's go toe

1:16:21

to toe. And it was just like,

1:16:23

it doesn't matter what you say because

1:16:25

this ghost is just gonna say it

1:16:27

quicker and louder than you. Yeah, it's

1:16:30

like a rap battle, but with

1:16:32

Bible verses. Yeah, like an interrupting

1:16:34

rap battle. You know what I

1:16:36

mean? So rude. So wild. Somebody

1:16:38

had spaghetti on their sweater. Absolutely.

1:16:40

One would like to think. So

1:16:42

anyway, allegedly, there

1:16:45

was just no way to win with

1:16:47

the spirit. Like according to Mrs. Lubbock.

1:16:49

And speaking of torching up the windows,

1:16:51

there is also another account from a

1:16:53

collection called Eastern Counties Collectania from 1872,

1:16:57

where somebody claims pretty much the same thing

1:16:59

that the lantern man just like blasted

1:17:01

some light into their windows when they

1:17:03

got pissed off. Oh, I don't

1:17:06

like it, though. Like I know we're like

1:17:08

gigging, giggling, we're having a kiki, but this

1:17:10

would be legitimately freaky. I'd be terrified. I

1:17:12

don't really like lanterns because it blinds you

1:17:14

and you can't really see who is behind

1:17:16

the light. And I know I want to

1:17:18

at least see them coming, but I don't

1:17:20

want to see them coming like that. Oh

1:17:23

my God. It's like that kill in sleep

1:17:25

away camp. Or like you only see the

1:17:27

killer because they're like fully like in the

1:17:29

back. Yeah. Like backlit. Oh, yeah. I'd rather

1:17:31

you just get me by surprise, get over

1:17:33

with fast. Yeah, sleep away camp. The only

1:17:35

movie to backlight a serial killer. Now in

1:17:37

that same account, they also say that a

1:17:40

man who encountered the lantern man once laid

1:17:42

down his lantern and walked away only

1:17:44

to look back and see the lantern

1:17:46

man viciously kicking his lantern. Girl. Like

1:17:48

over and over, I guess like resetting

1:17:50

it, kicking, resetting it, kicking it on

1:17:52

a feedback loop. Okay. Straight up being

1:17:55

like, I am the only lantern man.

1:17:57

Mama. Stop stealing my gig. Like the

1:17:59

later man. What if he hated electric light?

1:18:01

Right. Would've been curtain. What

1:18:04

do you do if you go out there with

1:18:06

a flashlight? It's gonna be pissed. iPhone with a

1:18:08

flashlight on it? Baby, you're done. Oh

1:18:10

my God, and then you turn the phone around and

1:18:12

you have like the video fireplace on your screen with

1:18:14

sound effects and everything. Lantern Man

1:18:16

would know what to do. Just play

1:18:19

whistling sounds on your phone. Absolutely.

1:18:21

Just play that one scene from Kill Bill

1:18:23

over and over. Definitely take out the Lantern

1:18:25

Man in present day, baby. Set a Bluetooth

1:18:27

speaker in the woods and just start playing

1:18:29

that whistling noise. Rude. There you

1:18:32

go, the power of Bluetooth. Daryl

1:18:34

Hannah will save the day. Absolutely.

1:18:36

So anyway, there's another

1:18:39

story originally published in 1891 claiming

1:18:41

that the Lantern Man once followed

1:18:43

a man near Norfolk who had

1:18:46

attracted the spirit by whistling for

1:18:48

his dog while out in the

1:18:51

woods. Oh, of course. Also,

1:18:53

side note, keep your dog on a fucking

1:18:55

leash and then you end up to whistle

1:18:57

after it, maybe. That's the team. But anyway,

1:19:00

the Lantern Man pursued the guy. He was

1:19:02

like, my woods are not your off leash,

1:19:04

dog park bitch. And this guy hid out

1:19:06

at a friend's place. Now in response,

1:19:08

their friend tried to seemingly go to

1:19:10

the spirit by putting out a horn

1:19:12

lantern on a long pole. But later

1:19:14

on, the lantern was found charred as

1:19:17

if the whole thing had just been

1:19:19

set on fire. Right?

1:19:22

Seemingly, it was done by the Lantern Man who

1:19:24

just didn't take kindly to being fucked with, but

1:19:26

I don't know. I didn't think that

1:19:28

he was capable of setting things on fire, but I mean,

1:19:30

he's the Lantern Man. Yeah, it kinda makes sense. It sounds

1:19:32

like he can do a lot of things. I

1:19:35

just wanna have a little sit down with this guy.

1:19:37

Right? I just want somebody to

1:19:39

pay him a million dollars for that exclusive interview.

1:19:41

Totally. Just to get into the head of the

1:19:43

Lantern Man because it's like, why are you so

1:19:45

mad? Yeah, as long as it's not on the

1:19:48

Joe Rogan experience, you know what I mean? Yeah.

1:19:51

Because I feel like if honestly this were

1:19:53

happening in the world, he'd be, you know. Yeah. He'd

1:19:55

be the one to try. I think Chris Morgan would

1:19:57

try to. He would. Just like how

1:19:59

he got his claws. that woman that's you

1:20:01

know wrapped up in the baby reindeer

1:20:03

stuff yeah what a skeeze I hate

1:20:05

him anyway hot take

1:20:08

remember when Drag Race UK was

1:20:10

announced and people spread that rumor

1:20:12

that Pierce Morgan was being considered

1:20:14

yeah I do because I thought

1:20:17

it was real we thought of

1:20:19

here what the hell are they

1:20:21

thinking is

1:20:25

wrong with the world yeah

1:20:27

anyway probably the

1:20:29

most harrowing of the lantern

1:20:31

man encounters comes from a guy

1:20:33

and called Joseph Bexfield although I

1:20:35

mean it's safe to say didn't

1:20:38

come from Joseph because he is

1:20:40

said to have not lived to

1:20:42

tell after encountering the lantern man

1:20:44

okay so this is that story

1:20:46

that I've been coaxing

1:20:48

at coaxing out hinting

1:20:50

at sure let's get

1:20:53

into it Joseph Bexfield was a real-ass

1:20:55

person and to this day you can

1:20:57

go see his grave at the All

1:20:59

Saints Churchyard in Thirlton straight that

1:21:02

part is indisputable but according to

1:21:04

local lore the lantern man is

1:21:06

at the core of this case

1:21:08

which as I mentioned led to

1:21:10

Joseph's untimely passing at the age

1:21:12

of 38 years old right which

1:21:15

is you know still young for even back in those

1:21:17

days so it was August 11th of 1809

1:21:21

and Joseph Bexfield was passing through Norfolk

1:21:23

on the east coast of England around

1:21:25

the Fens and he had

1:21:27

been working as a sailor up to

1:21:30

this point primarily operating where ease which

1:21:32

are like small-sized passenger or cargo boats

1:21:34

that primarily populated lots of canals around

1:21:36

England just to get people up and

1:21:38

over yeah they were really popular on

1:21:41

the Thames and all that kind of

1:21:43

stuff and pretty much on that particular

1:21:45

night Joseph had a night off from

1:21:47

work in his boat and was hanging

1:21:49

out with a few of his fellow

1:21:52

sailors at a place called the White Horse

1:21:54

Inn and he was having a drink but

1:21:56

all of a sudden while he's enjoying

1:21:58

time with his collar colleagues Joseph realizes

1:22:01

that he had actually left a

1:22:03

parcel behind on the ship and

1:22:06

this wasn't just like any parcel But it was

1:22:08

in fact like the gift that he had gotten

1:22:10

for his wife and two kids Who

1:22:13

were waiting for his return back home and

1:22:15

of course, you know He had promised them

1:22:17

a gift and you know, Joseph didn't want

1:22:19

to come back with nothing until I'm sure

1:22:21

it's not like a Fergie

1:22:23

glamorous situation where they're like if you ain't

1:22:25

got no money take your broke ass home

1:22:28

Yeah, but you know, he just he just

1:22:30

didn't want to potentially disappoint. I get it.

1:22:32

I would go on a trip I bring

1:22:34

something back for my sister vice versa. She

1:22:36

bought me a some 41 CD from Toronto

1:22:40

And you look forward to that it's like oh, it's so

1:22:42

nice to see you. What did you get? Oh my god,

1:22:44

you should call her up. Be like do you have a

1:22:46

gift receipt for that? Some 41 CD I've now that I'm

1:22:48

here. I'm just like why not? Yeah, what

1:22:50

if I get some store credit? Probably not

1:22:52

because I'm pretty sure the the store that

1:22:54

you bought it from probably doesn't exist because

1:22:56

we're new These days Vinyl

1:23:00

stores, but yeah, actually I was like I

1:23:02

can tell you a few shops to buy

1:23:04

records Uh-huh. I'm just a hipster, right? So

1:23:07

anyway Of course the

1:23:09

family is waiting for Joseph. He's got this

1:23:11

gift for him He doesn't want to disappoint

1:23:13

as I was saying so even

1:23:15

though he's out with his friends and

1:23:17

it's nightfall Joseph makes the decision to

1:23:19

return quickly back to the ship just

1:23:21

so that he can grab it And

1:23:24

you know move on with his evening

1:23:26

Yeah, but that's when the trouble started

1:23:28

because right away folks were warning

1:23:30

Joseph against doing it It

1:23:33

was late darkness had fallen the

1:23:35

marshland was just way too treacherous

1:23:37

from somebody to brave alone Plus

1:23:40

there was a fog floating around in

1:23:42

the air which made the whole train

1:23:44

even more hard to navigate So

1:23:47

all in all this just seems like a bad idea

1:23:50

However to Joseph the bad idea was

1:23:52

to simply leave with you know, this

1:23:54

gift back on the ship So despite

1:23:56

the best efforts of those around him

1:23:58

Joseph made the decision to travel back.

1:24:00

He figured he could just pull a quick

1:24:03

solo journey and then get back to a

1:24:05

night with his pals like I was saying.

1:24:07

So he was confident he knew the area

1:24:09

well enough and he wasn't going to be

1:24:12

taking any unnecessary risks, so he just wasn't

1:24:14

accepting any talking out of it. And his

1:24:16

friends at the end reluctantly saw Joseph off.

1:24:19

But unfortunately, that would be the

1:24:21

last time that anyone would see

1:24:23

Joseph alive. Yeah, he never came

1:24:25

back that night. And

1:24:28

he wasn't even found the next day when people

1:24:30

went to go looking for him

1:24:32

through the marshlands. In fact, it

1:24:34

was about three days until his

1:24:36

body would ultimately wash up on

1:24:38

the shores of the Yari River.

1:24:40

Oh gosh. Yeah, and it was

1:24:42

clear that he had been dead

1:24:44

for some days at that point.

1:24:47

Now, from there on, folks believed

1:24:49

that Joseph had met his faith

1:24:51

that night at the hands of

1:24:53

the Lantern Man, who some believed

1:24:55

to have led Joe astray as

1:24:57

he traversed the marshes that night,

1:24:59

ultimately leading him to a watery

1:25:02

grave. Beyond that, some

1:25:04

even claimed that to this day,

1:25:06

Joe's spirit still haunts the area.

1:25:08

Kind of like a companion spirit

1:25:10

to the one that led him

1:25:12

to death. Oftentimes he's like whistling

1:25:14

or found standing out on the

1:25:16

marshes with his torch in a rather

1:25:18

stoic manner. Oh gosh. But I

1:25:20

don't know. It's like, would the Lantern Man then

1:25:23

respond to that whistling? You know what I mean?

1:25:25

Right. And then would the Lantern Man get jealous

1:25:27

of the Lantern? Because you know he doesn't like

1:25:29

that. Well, this is what I'm thinking. I

1:25:32

feel like if I was going to

1:25:34

be haunting the same area as the

1:25:36

Lantern Man, I would become the nemesis

1:25:38

of the Lantern Man. Maybe I would

1:25:40

take it upon myself to help the

1:25:42

people. Exactly. Instead of

1:25:44

taking on the characteristics of your

1:25:46

oppressor, you become the anti-Lantern Man.

1:25:48

Yeah. I'm liking this. But then,

1:25:50

I guess if you're getting

1:25:52

real deep into this thought process, maybe the

1:25:55

best way to be the nemesis of the

1:25:57

Lantern Man is try to come for his

1:25:59

gig. and become another lantern man. You don't

1:26:01

get fitter, you just get better. Because he clearly

1:26:04

wants to be the only one. He's gatekeeping this

1:26:06

whole lantern business. So you can be the one

1:26:08

spirit to be like, no, no, no, no, no,

1:26:10

no, no, no, honey. What are you gonna do

1:26:12

to me? I'm already dead. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, you

1:26:15

old queen, you already killed me. Yeah,

1:26:17

you're not the most interesting person on this

1:26:19

block anymore. Exactly. Like, sorry, you're not the

1:26:21

only person in class with an eyebrow ring

1:26:23

anymore. Like the rest

1:26:26

of us also listen to Nirvana. Totally.

1:26:28

They're not that unique. Exactly. Okay.

1:26:30

That's a lantern man. Yeah, and I

1:26:33

mean, personally, I don't abide, but you

1:26:35

get the drift. Anyway, there are those,

1:26:37

however, who aren't so quick to believe

1:26:39

the hype when it comes to the

1:26:42

spirit though. As with

1:26:44

other such ghost life phenomenon, there

1:26:46

also does seem to be a

1:26:48

very reasonable scientific explanation to this

1:26:50

whole phenomenon. Oh, really? Well, yes,

1:26:52

and of course, this has to

1:26:54

do with marsh gases. So

1:26:56

imagine how much organic matter there

1:26:58

is in some dank ass marsh

1:27:01

like the Fens. The ground

1:27:03

is basically covered in it. And at

1:27:05

any given point, that shit is rotting.

1:27:07

And I truly mean that in the

1:27:09

scientific definition of the word, not in

1:27:11

like how I call most people, places

1:27:14

and things rotted. Right. Yeah, so these

1:27:16

plants are breaking down on mass on

1:27:18

the ground floor of the marshes, AKA

1:27:20

the ground, and their gases

1:27:22

drift upward, which puts some

1:27:24

lovely methane out into the

1:27:26

air. That then

1:27:29

runs into phosphines, which combust

1:27:31

upon interacting with oxygen

1:27:34

that ignites the methane. Oh my God,

1:27:36

so it's basically like putting a lighter

1:27:38

in front of your butt when you're

1:27:40

about to fart. You get little fireballs.

1:27:42

Yeah, except the butt is the land.

1:27:45

Oh my God, and the land part

1:27:47

is the decomposition of plant matter. I

1:27:49

love that. And this creates an effect

1:27:51

of light that is referred to as

1:27:53

a cold flame. These are

1:27:56

often seen to be dancing or

1:27:58

bobbing around in the woods. given

1:28:00

the movement inherent of the process, you

1:28:02

know, it's like combustion of gases in

1:28:04

the air, not that kind of stuff.

1:28:06

Yes! It's wiggly! And of course, this

1:28:08

is closely tied to the phenomenon of

1:28:10

Willow the Wisp. Yeah, and obviously back

1:28:12

in the day when they were coming

1:28:14

up with this Legend of the Lantern

1:28:16

Man, they wouldn't have had that scientific

1:28:18

understanding about what was going on, so

1:28:20

it would seem like magic, it would

1:28:22

seem like ghosts. Well, and that's the

1:28:24

thing, and like, the logic is here,

1:28:26

because Willow the Wisp is so closely

1:28:28

associated with the phenomenon of Lantern Man,

1:28:30

like sightings and all that kind of stuff, it's

1:28:33

kind of believed that the explanation

1:28:35

kind of speaks to both of

1:28:37

them, even though one is

1:28:39

kind of like the disembodied version of seeing

1:28:42

the other. But anyway, super ethereal thing to

1:28:44

experience, and back in the day, if you

1:28:46

didn't understand all the science behind it, it's

1:28:48

not that surprising to think that, you know,

1:28:50

you might clock it as magic. That's true!

1:28:53

Plus, the flame does give off a seemingly

1:28:55

bioluminescent glow to it as well, so that

1:28:57

just would have been weird to folks who

1:28:59

didn't understand it. Now, given

1:29:01

that explanation though, it still doesn't account

1:29:04

for the form of the figure that

1:29:06

is said to hold the Lantern. Right.

1:29:08

That does separate the sightings of

1:29:11

the Lantern Man from the greater categorization of

1:29:13

Willow the Wisp, or ghost light encounters like

1:29:15

I was saying though. Yeah, because the ghost

1:29:17

lights are usually just lights in and of

1:29:19

their own, not being controlled by any kind

1:29:21

of figure. Exactly, and like back in the

1:29:23

day, like reading Bluenose Ghosts, like a lot

1:29:25

of people would interpret those as like forerunners

1:29:27

for like seeing funeral processions, like walking along

1:29:30

the woods and then they would go, okay,

1:29:32

you know, I saw the lights outside so-and-so's

1:29:34

home, there's gonna be a funeral there, like

1:29:36

it would kind of be folded into that

1:29:39

lore. Mm-hmm. But yeah, unfortunately though, when it

1:29:41

comes to the component of

1:29:43

the Lantern Man that involves like this

1:29:45

shadowy figure, there are really no answers.

1:29:48

Some people are like, maybe they're

1:29:51

just imagining it, but we don't

1:29:53

know. Or maybe he's real. Maybe.

1:29:56

Over the years, especially as the marshlands have been

1:29:58

drained, it has been- said that claims

1:30:00

of the Lantern Man have reduced, but

1:30:03

it should be noted that they have

1:30:05

not entirely gone away. People

1:30:07

allegedly claim encounters with the Lantern

1:30:09

Man in two present times, although Alt-E,

1:30:11

I wasn't able to find any first-hand

1:30:14

experiences, would love to hear some

1:30:16

though. But these encounters do

1:30:18

stand out from other Ghostlight encounters because

1:30:21

of the frequency location and again

1:30:23

the apparition of the figure holding

1:30:25

the light. So that's what makes

1:30:27

it specifically a Lantern Man phenomenon.

1:30:30

And the Lantern Man would love to know that

1:30:32

she's standing out and being unique and there's no

1:30:34

one else out there like her. Right? God,

1:30:36

I hope they're not listening. And

1:30:38

again, that's the apparition part is still the

1:30:41

part of the story that folks just can't

1:30:43

seem to figure out or agree on. And

1:30:46

until that day comes when we can

1:30:48

agree on it, the Lantern Man will

1:30:50

still be considered one of the fiercer

1:30:52

spirits to inhabit the eastern shores of

1:30:54

England, reminding people to watch themselves in

1:30:57

the water, not to travel, dangerous terrain

1:30:59

alone at night, and to always practice

1:31:01

fire safety when using a Lantern or

1:31:03

whistling alone at night. Maybe that's not

1:31:05

a good thing. You never know what

1:31:07

old cruisers you might attract in the

1:31:09

woods. True. You know, the old bushfuckers.

1:31:12

Uh-huh. Anyway, enough

1:31:14

about that. But you know, because that could

1:31:17

happen. Or you could find yourself face down

1:31:19

in the muck, dodging a visit from the

1:31:21

Lantern Man, you know? Either. Either

1:31:23

suck. That's a set of dice that I don't really want

1:31:26

to roll. Right. But anyway, with

1:31:28

that being said, that is the legend of

1:31:30

the Lantern Man. Alright. Any questions? I wonder

1:31:32

though, it's giving me vibes of being like,

1:31:34

how do we keep these fucking kids out

1:31:36

of the bog? Right. Oh,

1:31:39

let's tell them there's a Lantern Man out there attacking people.

1:31:41

Yeah. They'll never go there. It's kind

1:31:43

of like while you're on it in that way, but

1:31:45

of the bog. Anyway,

1:31:48

I just want to thank my sources. Thank

1:31:50

you to the book, This Haunted Isle,

1:31:53

The Ghost and Legends of Britain's Historic

1:31:55

Buildings, published by Peter Underwood in 1984.

1:31:58

There was a great version available. on audible which

1:32:00

I listened to and it goes

1:32:03

alphabetically so although

1:32:05

you have to it's for Wiccan Fen it's

1:32:08

not for the place name so you have

1:32:10

to go to the W's to learn about

1:32:12

the lantern man I think to the book

1:32:14

Cambridgesure Folk Tales published by Maureen James in

1:32:16

October of 2014 I think it

1:32:19

was all to the book the Eastern Counties

1:32:21

Collectania published by Jean Lestrange on 1874 that

1:32:23

feels like a pen name John L hyphen

1:32:26

estrange John

1:32:33

Lestrange John Lestrange oh

1:32:36

let's strange young oh

1:32:39

my god sounds like La Gantas strong Joe

1:32:41

it's a good drag name I love it

1:32:43

all right I also want to thank the

1:32:45

Eastern Daily Press for Weird Norfolk the ghostly

1:32:47

lantern man of Aldrich and Broad published by

1:32:49

Stacia Briggs on September 5th of 2020 thank

1:32:52

you all to the Eastern Daily Press

1:32:54

for Weird Norfolk Joseph Bexfield and the

1:32:57

lantern man of Tharleton published by Stacia

1:32:59

Briggs and Shaufer Connor on July 21st of

1:33:01

2018 thank you to

1:33:03

Shrouded Hand on YouTube for the video

1:33:05

the terrifying tale of the lantern man

1:33:07

published on July 20th of 2021 thank

1:33:09

you to mysterious Britain and Ireland for

1:33:11

Wiccan Fen lantern man published by Ian

1:33:13

on May 20th of 2016 updated

1:33:16

on December 15th of 2018 thank you

1:33:19

to Cambridgesure Live for Cambridgesure's terrifying lantern

1:33:21

man which roams the fence hunting for

1:33:24

victims published by Fiona Leishman on June

1:33:26

5th of 2022 and finally thank you

1:33:30

to Crime Reads for Why

1:33:32

Marshes Capture Our Imaginations and inspires

1:33:34

some of our most unsettling folklore

1:33:36

published by Ellie Griffiths on July

1:33:38

14th of 2020 and

1:33:42

thank you Johnny you are welcome I

1:33:45

love a good piece of folklore baby

1:33:47

can't get enough I'm there for you

1:33:49

you want to talk about lights in

1:33:51

the woods I'm your baby right you

1:33:54

know all about lights mm-hmm yeah basically

1:33:57

a fourth Ranger yeah yeah I

1:34:00

mean they have honestly the cutest outfits

1:34:02

like if you're gonna be a ranger

1:34:04

like if you're gonna be a authoritative

1:34:06

figure of anything you might as well

1:34:08

be a forest ranger. Also not trying

1:34:10

to negate all the hard work that

1:34:13

one has to do to become something

1:34:15

like a forest ranger. But the fashion

1:34:17

is important. It's very important! I don't

1:34:19

know why Smokey the bear consistently keeps

1:34:21

the outfit alive. Yeah, it's

1:34:23

true. Thank you. The bear is putting

1:34:25

in the effort. Uh-huh. The least I

1:34:27

can do. Anyway. So,

1:34:29

um, do you want to move forward? Yeah, I do.

1:34:31

Okay, well Tyler, I'm looking at you. You're looking at

1:34:33

me. I got one question in my mind. What

1:34:36

did you learn today? Today I learned we

1:34:39

all have a light and we're all allowed

1:34:41

to shine. Yeah. Don't be putting out anybody

1:34:43

else's light to try and shine brighter. Put

1:34:45

that on a t-shirt. Right? Oh my god,

1:34:47

put that over a photo of like sparkles

1:34:50

and flowers on a lake and put it

1:34:52

on Facebook. Oh, hell yeah. It's

1:34:54

gonna go viral. Baby, you just made it

1:34:56

happen. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Thank you

1:34:59

Tyler. Actually, if someone wants to make it,

1:35:01

share it with us. Yeah. And

1:35:04

yeah, like do that quote thing and then like have

1:35:06

like Tyler hide at the bottom. Yeah, I don't need

1:35:08

credit. No, no, no. You need to tag Tyler hide

1:35:10

in there. Okay, bye. It needs to follow

1:35:12

you for the rest of your life. Okay.

1:35:14

Yeah. It's like the lantern man. Yeah. Anyway,

1:35:18

uh, Johnny, what did you learn today? I'd

1:35:20

probably say eat bears not bear meat. Yeah.

1:35:22

You know what I mean? Oh, hell yeah.

1:35:24

Eat bear ass not bear meat. I want

1:35:26

to talk about putting something on a t-shirt.

1:35:28

Baby. Putting something on a bumper sticker. Girl,

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there you go. There's something for the bear

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community. Yeah. Y'all know I'm not

1:35:34

talking about bestiality here. Mm-hmm. Yeah, gay

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animal kingdom. That's right. All right. Um,

1:35:39

well now that we share the social lesson of

1:35:41

the day and reminded people of the gay

1:35:43

animal kingdom, do you want to move on? Yeah, let's

1:35:45

do it. Beautiful. I got a review. Can I read

1:35:47

it? Yes, please. Thank you. So

1:35:49

I got a really sweet review

1:35:51

here that was sent in to

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us by a listener in Canada.

1:35:55

Ooh. Iconique. Their username is Kyrie

1:35:57

L and they entitled it... for

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a sore soul. Is

1:36:03

that not so fucking sweet? That is

1:36:05

so sweet. Who doesn't love a bomb

1:36:07

moment? Bitch, especially my

1:36:09

dry ass. So Kyrie

1:36:11

writes, what would I do without your

1:36:13

stories to soothe myself at the end

1:36:16

of the day? Thank you for Nova

1:36:18

Scotia. Oh Nova Scotian. Yes. Oh.

1:36:20

Iconic already. Absolutely. You know you're

1:36:23

in our favor as Nova Scotians.

1:36:25

We love Nova Scotians. Absolutely. And

1:36:27

also thank you for including us

1:36:30

in like your end of day wind down routine. Yeah,

1:36:32

that's sacred time. So like that's quite an honor. Hell

1:36:34

yeah. So thank you for making your you time us

1:36:36

time. That sounds weird.

1:36:39

It's our time. Yeah. But

1:36:41

isn't it just, but anyway,

1:36:44

look, if you want to be just like Kyrie and

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But it literally does help us. Like the new

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