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everyone, welcome

3:02

to That

3:05

Spooky, I'm

3:08

Johnny. And

3:15

I'm Tyler. And this is a

3:17

weekly podcast that just wants to

3:19

let you know that there is

3:21

nothing more evil in this world

3:23

than veneer technicians. Oh my goodness.

3:25

Yes. People who aren't dentists who

3:27

are doing veneers. That's right, because

3:29

the only people who should be

3:31

giving you veneers are dentists. Baby.

3:33

Veneer technicians don't exist. Mm-mm, that's

3:35

a veneer new. That's an absolute

3:37

veneer new. You are getting veneer

3:39

new. You are not getting veneers.

3:41

You are getting fucked up turkey

3:43

teeth. You are getting crowns. That

3:45

is not it. Oh my god,

3:47

have you heard about this? Yeah.

3:49

They're buying their supplies on Teamoo.

3:51

I know. They're opening it up

3:53

like a fucking lash extension hustle,

3:55

and people are going in and

3:57

getting composite veneers. Yep. People are

3:59

basically like, if you can do

4:01

nails, you can do teeth, and

4:03

that's just not true. That was

4:05

the quote that somebody with their

4:07

face fucking blur it out, said.

4:09

Oh my god, yo, we fell

4:11

down a bootleg beauty YouTube rabbit

4:13

hole, and it runs deep. It's

4:16

scary what some people are doing.

4:18

Yeah, watch out, my friends. I

4:21

know dental health is unfortunately too expensive

4:23

in so many places and highly inaccessible,

4:25

but you do not need to go

4:27

get fucked up in years from somebody

4:30

who took a two day course. Right.

4:32

That's it, because they're just going to cause more damage, and

4:35

they're going to cost you more money in the end. They're

4:37

going to seal in all your cavities, and then your teeth

4:39

are going to fall out. Yeah, and you're not going to

4:41

be able to floss. Yeah. Your gums are going to swell.

4:43

Yeah. And you could go septic and die. Baby. Hi,

4:46

welcome to the show, everyone. Hi. Welcome

4:48

to Teeth Time with Johnny and Tyler. Pride Month

4:51

is almost over anyway, you know what I mean?

4:53

Like, let's just move on with the teeth. It's

4:55

time for teeth. Yeah, that's what July is all

4:57

about, right? Yeah, it's the month of teeth anxiety.

4:59

We know it. And I was saying a little

5:01

while ago, you know, June is pride, and then

5:04

July should be like, pro'd. And

5:06

then, prude should be a little bit later on, you

5:08

know what I mean? Past tense pride.

5:10

And May is pre'd. Yeah. So we've

5:12

got to cover it. Exactly. So, you

5:14

know, it's toothy times. Yeah. Yeah, time

5:16

to start thinking about that stuff. And

5:18

just FYI to the

5:21

world, if anybody calls himself a

5:23

veneer tech, run. Run, run, run away. Brace is

5:25

tech too. It's a thing. Yeah, people are putting

5:27

braces on people's teeth, and they're not doing anything.

5:30

Oh my god. Go down to the YouTube rabbit

5:32

hole that we went down this weekend, everybody. And

5:35

report back next week. There will be a test.

5:37

Yeah, if you want to talk to us about

5:39

it, we're open because this is brand new to

5:41

us. I didn't actually

5:43

realize before we move on from the teeth

5:45

talk that it was a

5:48

cr- when you got your teeth shaved down to

5:50

little shark teeth. Yeah, the Katie Price's. The Katie

5:52

Price teeth? I thought that was just veneers. I

5:54

thought that's just what they did. But that's what

5:56

they do for crowns. No, no, no, no, no.

5:58

Veneers, they just shave off a little bit of-

6:00

the teeth enough to kind of like form the

6:02

new teeth around it, but they don't like shave

6:04

it down to fucking nubs. They put a veneer

6:07

over it. Yeah, in every sense of the term

6:09

instead of a new constitution of

6:11

a tooth. Exactly. Of a new new if you will.

6:13

Yeah, and I guess like that means like a crown

6:15

that kind of procedure is usually if like you're in

6:17

danger of losing that tooth. It's pretty much like you

6:19

know, you can keep on to like the little root

6:21

of it and then put something new on top of

6:23

it. Bitch, I got a crown. Yeah. I

6:26

got a big old crown. Yeah. On one of my

6:28

teeth. But imagine doing that to all your teeth

6:30

for no reason. Yeah, I guess that means I

6:32

have a little nub in my mouth. Oh, you

6:34

probably do. Well, I earned that nub. You did.

6:36

And I love that nub like all my other

6:39

little babies. Anyway, teeth talk aside. I don't want

6:41

to cause anybody any undue anxiety. No. You

6:44

know, there's enough to be worried about in the

6:46

world. It's true. Still don't have a ceasefire. That's

6:48

fucked up. Yep. Anyway, hi everyone. Welcome to the

6:50

show. So we're back

6:52

at it. We did those one off

6:54

episodes and I got to say I

6:57

really enjoyed it. I liked going deep.

6:59

It was satisfying. So I think we're gonna

7:01

try to do more of that kind of

7:03

format in the future. Yeah, we should. Yeah.

7:05

But anyway, we have a whole bunch of

7:07

shit to talk about today because we're back

7:10

on our two topic bag. Now

7:12

first off we have Drag Race and Spooky Bullshit

7:14

to talk about. So is there anything holding us

7:16

back from doing that? I don't think so. Beautiful.

7:18

Let's get into it. So All Stars 9 episode

7:21

1, episode 6. Episode 5.

7:23

Episode 6. Okay, it was the roast episode.

7:25

Now if you don't care if you don't

7:27

want spoilers, skip ahead. It'll be a

7:29

few minutes, but we got to get

7:32

into this. Mm-hmm. Because I will

7:34

say to start off with a

7:36

high point, this was one of the

7:39

most consistently funny roasts that we've ever

7:41

had. If not, the most consistently funny.

7:43

As in nobody flopped. It was the

7:45

most consistently funny. I laughed a lot

7:48

during this episode. Exactly. And like actually

7:50

laughing with not just at. Totally. Yeah,

7:52

there were none of those like fair

7:55

moment moments. Exactly.

7:57

However, I will say maybe

7:59

the fact that nobody. flopped came from

8:01

the fact that some people flagrantly plagiarized

8:04

their sets. I couldn't believe it. Let's

8:06

get the fuck into it. So Gutmik

8:08

got caught with their pants down in

8:10

a major way. If you

8:13

are not aware, Gutmik did a pretty

8:15

okay set. And as it turns out

8:17

afterward, like very quickly after the episode

8:19

was posted, people were coming out with

8:21

full on receipts like side by side

8:24

video showing that Mick not only like

8:26

interpreted a comedian's jokes, but word for

8:28

word just copied roast jokes from Comedy

8:30

Central Roasts that Nicky Glazer had done.

8:33

And I think there's like a Lisa

8:35

Lampanelli in there as well. Right. Anyway,

8:37

it's bottom of the barrel bullshit. And

8:39

when it was brought up on social

8:42

media, instead of just copying to it

8:44

and being like, Oh yeah, that happened.

8:46

That was not the best moment

8:48

for me. Yeah. Mick's response was the

8:51

following. I got the quote here because

8:53

I think this is so and again,

8:55

I fucking love Mick. Yeah. But this

8:57

is like my ultimate down point of

8:59

the week. So Mick's response was, wait,

9:01

do you guys think everyone wrote their

9:03

jokes? LOL cry laughing emoji. Nicky is

9:05

my queen. So reworking if you ever

9:07

jokes was a duh for me. Love

9:09

her nail painting emoji. And here's

9:11

the T. Reworking would be

9:13

one thing. It'd be like, Oh, you

9:16

took the DNA of this joke and

9:18

you turned it into something else, but

9:20

you literally got caught word for word

9:23

just copying. Yeah. Majorizing that is not

9:25

reworking. That's not buying a joke from

9:28

another comedian, even like that's

9:30

also a completely different thing. Yeah. I

9:32

know you're trying to infer that everybody

9:34

else bought their jokes, which is objectively

9:36

true, but they didn't go out there

9:38

and just steal stuff. I mean, the

9:40

thing that we really do not know

9:42

is if got Mick had any kind

9:44

of conversation with Nikki Glazer about using

9:47

her jokes. If Nikki Glazer like gave

9:49

got Mick the okay to do that,

9:51

we can't really say anything, but got

9:53

me didn't say that. They say they

9:55

reworked it. It doesn't sound like got

9:57

Mick got permission and they tried to

9:59

just act like they didn't plagiarize and

10:01

they're trying to laugh it off. act

10:03

like everyone is the problem and not

10:05

them. When honestly, like, Got Mick has

10:07

really high level artistry, but unfortunately, you

10:10

got caught plagiarizing. That's a really bad

10:12

look. But the way to come back

10:14

from that is just to go, well, it

10:16

sucks and I apologize and I want to

10:19

make... And like, you can move on from

10:21

it because it's just a roast challenge. And

10:23

here's also the thing, like... It's just a

10:25

drag race challenge. Stand-up comedy is the most

10:27

forgiving challenge I think they do on Drag

10:30

Race because stand-up comedy is very, very hard

10:32

and it's very, very intimidating. So like, when

10:34

someone fumbles, when someone doesn't really come correct

10:36

during one of these challenges, it's super forgivable.

10:39

Yeah. But it doesn't really sound like there's

10:41

any accountability happening here. No, whatsoever. Yeah. So

10:43

that is unfortunate. It's disappointing. Again, it's not

10:45

like they're out there touring this as a

10:47

set. But again, I feel like that's why

10:50

you could have just been like, yeah, it

10:52

sucks that I did that and let like,

10:54

I apologize and then move on from it

10:56

instead of just being like, I did nothing

10:59

wrong. Right. Because it's like, yeah, they're not

11:01

touring it, but it is on an international

11:03

television show. I know. I know. I'm just

11:05

trying to say like, they could have just

11:07

moved on from it. But unfortunately, they just

11:10

tried to act like it wasn't a problem.

11:12

And yeah, it's just not

11:14

a serve. Can we point out the other low point

11:16

of this episode? What? Roodelee. Oh

11:20

my God. We were like, who

11:22

is this woman? Yeah, Hoodelee. Yeah,

11:24

exactly. And then, Jodhish, the internet

11:27

and you did some digging. And

11:29

she is a card carrying trumpet.

11:31

What the fuck? T-R-U-M-P-E-T-T-E. That is

11:33

an organization of ladies for Trump.

11:36

She has her photo on the

11:38

website. She is a celebrity endorser

11:40

of Donald Trump. Up until this

11:43

day, that is probably why

11:45

she had that ungodly fucking USA outfit

11:47

in her fucking closet. I'm ready to

11:49

wear on the show. Yeah. She was

11:52

at like the, as like the Betty

11:54

Ross flag or something. I don't give

11:56

a fuck. Here's the thing. It's

11:59

great you were around. at Hollywood at times,

12:01

I don't know who you are. And like,

12:03

I'm not out here to like shit on

12:05

our elders, but what I don't need to

12:07

be doing is having a fucking Trump supporting

12:09

person on fucking Drag Race. Yeah, because there's

12:11

no bridges to be billed here when it

12:13

comes to fucking Donald Trump. No, it's not

12:15

even like you're Susan Sarandon and you're like,

12:17

you've misguidedly voted for him once or like

12:19

Paris Hilton, because you know, like so

12:21

many people have forgiven them. But this

12:23

is somebody who's like straight up reppin'. Yeah.

12:27

I don't love that. And that's dark,

12:29

that's twist. The old gays who programmed

12:31

Drag Race need to be fired. They

12:33

need to bring young people into the

12:35

fucking room between the fucking Barbra Streisand

12:37

shit last season. Yeah. Like there

12:40

are just too many old people references at this point,

12:42

and that's coming from an old. It's

12:44

true. And that's coming from somebody

12:46

who is well versed in old people references. I'm

12:48

the youngest of fucking six. That's true. 69

12:51

to 88, like I was raised with older

12:53

references, but like even like it's just getting

12:55

tired. Yeah, we gotta get something

12:57

fresh going on here. Stop making 20 year olds

13:00

pretend like they know what the match game was.

13:02

Yeah. You know, like it's just,

13:04

it's over anyway. Anyway, those are the low points, but

13:06

let's take a brief moment for our high points. Yeah,

13:08

because we've only talked about bad things so far. All

13:10

right, what did you like? I mean, we already said

13:13

it. We love this roast. It was one of the

13:15

best roasts that Drag Race has ever had. Yes. However,

13:18

my favorite joke of the night came

13:20

from Plastique Tierra, when she made the

13:22

joke about Leah Remini hiding from Scientology

13:24

inside of Michelle Visage's vagina. Oh my

13:27

God. Love that, but

13:29

I will see your Leah Remini

13:31

hiding from Scientology or Michelle Visage's

13:33

vagina from Shainchology.

13:36

And I will match you potentially with

13:38

a Miss Vangie saying that Georges is

13:41

so small and cute that after they

13:43

give trade head, they get hurt like

13:45

a baby. That was good. That killed

13:47

me. Also just the fact that Bob

13:49

the Drag Queen opened at the night. I love to

13:51

see that Bob is probably like, if

13:53

not one of my favorite queens

13:56

from all of your post-Drag Race. I

13:58

am such a Bob fan forever. I will

14:01

say though, my high point of

14:03

the week had to be when Chanel hit

14:05

the stage and she gave us a redux

14:07

of the comedy challenge that she did on

14:09

season one of All Stars. And if you

14:11

don't remember, in the season

14:14

one All Stars comedy challenge, Chanel comes out

14:16

and makes some, you know, some not

14:18

great jokes, but comes out in a big

14:21

old blonde afro wig and greets

14:23

everybody with a very of the

14:25

time, was that? Except

14:28

it's still like 10 years late. And

14:30

she does the same. If you watch Chanel when she

14:32

comes up, the first thing she does is she greets

14:35

the crowd with, was it? Yeah.

14:37

I love it. I didn't catch it, but you clocked

14:40

it right away. I died

14:42

with happiness. So anyway, I loved that.

14:44

I also love Hector the OG pleasure.

14:46

Oh my God. Gorgeous. Nailed it. Okay,

14:48

folks, we talked about Drag Race a

14:50

lot, but there was some important shit to

14:52

talk about this week. Yes, there was. So

14:55

that's that. Do you have anything else that

14:57

you want to highlight when it comes to

14:59

Drag Race before we move on? No, girl,

15:01

let's just move on into some spooky gay

15:03

bullshit. Okay, because I do have some spooky

15:05

gay bullshit and it's nothing too long, but

15:07

this has been sent into us by a

15:10

number of different spooky bitches. So it is

15:12

worth mentioning for sure. So this

15:14

kind of hits to categorizations. It's

15:16

like a little bit of pride

15:19

month news and also an obituary

15:23

to share with everyone, like a viral obituary. So

15:25

you can understand why it came across our desk.

15:27

Kind of perfect. But it is

15:29

the obituary for a man named Edward

15:31

Thomas Ryan, who recently passed away. He

15:33

was a resident of Albany, New York,

15:36

and the US. And the point

15:38

is that at the end

15:40

of his obituary, he actually

15:42

revealed something that, from my

15:45

understanding, a lot of

15:47

people in his circles, both personal,

15:49

familial, all that, they were not

15:51

aware of. So through

15:53

the obituary, of course they highlight his life.

15:55

They hit the different biographical points, including where

15:58

he was raised, his loved one. and, you

16:00

know, totally hold respect for all of

16:02

that. I

16:04

don't want to diminish the importance of any of that.

16:07

But the reason that it's going viral is

16:09

because it ends with this entry

16:11

that says, Edward wanted to share the following quote.

16:14

I must tell you one more thing. I was

16:17

gay all my life. Oh, my God. Through

16:19

grade school, through high school, through college, through

16:21

life. I was in a

16:23

loving and caring relationship with Paul Cavanaugh

16:26

of North Greenbush. He was the

16:28

love of my life. We had 25 great years

16:30

together. Paul

16:33

died in 1994 from a medical procedure

16:35

gone wrong. I'll be buried next

16:37

to Paul. I'm sorry for not

16:39

having the courage to come out as

16:41

gay. I was afraid of being ostracized

16:43

by family, friends, and coworkers. Seeing how

16:45

people like me were treated, I just

16:47

could not do it. Now

16:50

that my secret is known, I'll forever

16:52

rest in peace." Oh,

16:54

my gosh. Wow, right? Yeah.

16:58

It's equal parts, heartwarming and

17:00

heartbreaking. Exactly, because it's heartwarming

17:02

that he had the

17:05

moment, the chance to be honest with

17:07

the world about who he was. And

17:10

he passed knowing that this would ultimately

17:12

be shared. So he was able to

17:14

have the affirmation of a coming out

17:16

in his own way. Exactly. But

17:19

it's heartbreaking because he never felt comfortable

17:21

enough or safe enough or accepted enough

17:23

to be able to be honest with

17:25

him. Yeah. Or

17:28

not even honest with himself just to be

17:30

honest with the world about who he was.

17:32

Absolutely. It's an absolute shame.

17:34

And I mean, that goes without saying.

17:37

There's not much for us to say in

17:39

terms of, you know, extra commentary on this

17:41

obituary. But really the point

17:43

is I just wanted to share it because

17:46

it's been making the viral rounds. And if

17:48

anything, hopefully it inspires, you know, LGBTQ elders

17:50

to potentially take this as a course of

17:52

action if they don't feel comfortable coming out

17:54

of it. I

17:56

mean, I would hope that everybody feels able

17:58

to come out in their life. But, you

18:00

know. there are things some of us don't

18:02

understand. And that's it, and we know that

18:05

that's not the reality for everybody, everybody's coming

18:07

out journey is very different and nobody can

18:09

judge somebody for staying in the closet or

18:11

not. You hope that

18:13

nobody takes it to the grave. Exactly,

18:15

but it does just go

18:17

to show that it's never too late.

18:19

Absolutely. So you can always come out,

18:21

even in death. Yeah, that is the

18:23

takeaway, it is never, ever too late.

18:25

And if you're listening to this right

18:28

now and you're like 80 years old

18:30

and you're like, maybe fucking do it,

18:32

come out. Why not have fucking try

18:34

it. If you're 50, try it, whatever

18:36

age you are, just do it. Exactly,

18:38

but do it on your terms. Hell

18:40

yeah, baby. You can't do

18:42

it on ours. So yeah, once more

18:44

happy pride to everyone, especially to Edward

18:46

Thomas Ryan, our diva in heaven. We

18:48

love you and we just wanna celebrate

18:50

you and shouty outies to all of

18:53

Edward's family. I feel like Edward should

18:55

be the marshal of world pride. Hell

18:57

yeah, I mean, that would be sweet.

19:00

Or some local pride of some sort.

19:02

Exactly. But anyway, thank you to everybody

19:04

who sent that in to us. There

19:06

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22:24

All right, so this week I'm going first.

22:27

And that's probably good because for my topic

22:29

today, we are going to be dipping our

22:31

toes back into the waters of true crime.

22:33

Okay, see, I'm not taking us there. Okay,

22:36

perfect. I'm a good thing to end with.

22:38

So we've got a good balance going on.

22:40

Yes. But today I want

22:42

it to take some time to talk

22:45

about the murder of Brad McGarry. Johnny,

22:47

have you ever heard of this case before? No,

22:50

I have not. I have not either. And I'm

22:52

kind of surprised because it does have some twists

22:54

and turns. It's also not

22:56

incredibly old. This is a case from

22:58

2017. So

23:00

it's pretty contemporary. Okay, does the case have

23:02

a nickname or anything like that? It doesn't.

23:05

Okay. No, but it has been

23:07

featured on Dateline. So there you go. I'm

23:09

not an avid Dateline watcher. No. Yeah.

23:12

I mean, I like listening to their podcast because

23:14

they basically take their Dateline episodes and put them

23:16

into podcasts. Oh, they do. That's

23:19

cool. It's great. I'm gonna get into

23:21

that. Okay. But anyway, like I said, this case takes

23:24

place in 2017. And

23:27

at the time, Brad McGarry was 43 years old

23:31

living in Bel Air, Ohio. Ooh,

23:33

oh. Now. Bel Air, Ohio. Bel

23:35

Air, Ohio. That's not Fresh Prince

23:37

Bel Air, Bel Air. No, it

23:39

isn't. And Bel Air, Ohio might

23:41

sound a little bit familiar because

23:44

I recently talked about Bel Air

23:46

on episode 293 when

23:48

I talked about the Bel Air house.

23:50

You know, that haunted house. Yeah, yeah,

23:52

yeah. Same place. Oh my God, I

23:54

probably made the same fucking mistake slash joke

23:57

at that point as well. Cannot confirm, cannot

23:59

deny. I don't give me

24:01

credit. I have no depth. But anyway

24:03

Bel Air who we've become acquainted with

24:06

It's a mining town and it's located

24:08

on Belmont County along the banks of

24:10

the Ohio River and with a

24:12

population of less than 4,000

24:14

people Bel Air is actually not a

24:17

town but a village. Ooh, hey Now

24:21

like a lot of other industry

24:23

towns or villages Velagios,

24:25

thank you so much Bel Air is

24:27

kind of a place on the outs

24:30

Basically, they're losing more now than they

24:32

could ever gain and they have been

24:34

for quite a while I

24:37

grew up in an industry town and when

24:39

the industry went bust so did the town

24:41

Yeah, Tyler's hometown was built on child modeling

24:43

and when the child modeling bubble burst It

24:47

was just a real sad time and it

24:49

was just before I was born and I

24:51

was a fucking kid I know I know

24:53

and then there were no opportunities for little

24:55

Tyler. I know it's too bad But anyway,

24:57

I have moved on with my life. Yeah,

24:59

you found podcasting. That's right

25:02

But anyway, as far as Bel Air is

25:04

concerned No one in

25:07

the village is really particularly wealthy

25:09

Businesses tend to close and then

25:11

nothing ends up replacing them and

25:13

honestly the best place to make

25:15

a decent living Was and

25:17

maybe still is in the mine Which

25:20

was where Brad worked now by

25:24

2017 Brad was a foreman for Murray energy

25:26

who I don't think I think they've been

25:29

bought out But that doesn't matter. Yeah,

25:31

but even though he rose to

25:33

the occasion mining wasn't Brad's first

25:36

choice Prior to becoming

25:38

a miner Brad had been working

25:40

as a hairdresser Those

25:43

are very different calling very different and

25:45

I suppose this is as good a

25:47

time as any to let you all

25:49

know That Brad was indeed a homosexual

25:53

Yeah, he was very open about it.

25:55

Yeah as well. Oh, we love that

25:58

openly gay mine workers, right? That's

26:00

hot. It's yeah, it's it's it's

26:02

a niche. Get into it. What

26:04

a vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, as

26:06

a hairdresser, Brad was really kind

26:08

of fulfilling the stereotype of gays

26:10

and cosmetology. However, Brad

26:12

wasn't happy with the income that he was

26:14

able to get through hairdressing. Yeah. And ultimately,

26:17

this is why he decided to become a

26:19

minor because he could get a lot more

26:21

money doing it. He said, honey, you're sending

26:24

a canary down there, baby. Send a peacock.

26:26

Yeah. Let's go. Yeah.

26:28

Come on, girlies. Now, Bel Air

26:30

was a rather conservative area of

26:33

the state, from my understanding. So

26:35

Brad didn't meet a lot of other gay men

26:38

who were as out and as proud as he

26:40

was. OK. But even still, it

26:42

seemed for the most part, Brad was accepted

26:44

by the community. He was probably a novelty.

26:46

You know what I mean? Yeah. And even

26:49

if you are in an area where there

26:51

are not a lot of gay men, it

26:53

still doesn't mean you're not pulling trade. Let's

26:55

be honest. That's the tea. Yeah. Like, I

26:58

don't know anybody's story here, but yes.

27:01

Yeah. Yeah. It happens from

27:04

time to time, time to time. Now,

27:06

with that in mind, when

27:08

Brad started attending coal mining

27:10

classes sometime in the mid

27:12

aughts, he ended up meeting

27:14

his best friend, another man

27:17

named David Kinney. OK. And

27:19

by 2017, Brad and David

27:21

had been best friends for

27:23

eight or nine years. David

27:25

was married with children and David's

27:28

friendship with Brad really did extend

27:30

to the whole family, including his

27:32

wife, Sherry. He had

27:35

earned the nickname Uncle Brad and

27:37

Brad had just become one of

27:39

the Kinney family's best friends. They

27:41

spent a lot of time together.

27:43

They even vacation together and were

27:45

planning vacations together. Oh, but that

27:47

makes what happens next all the

27:50

more disturbing because on Sunday, May

27:52

7th, 2017,

27:54

David Kinney, his wife, Sherry and

27:56

their 13 year old daughter were

27:58

in David's white pickup truck. driving

28:01

to Brad's house to lend him

28:03

a weed whacker. Now Brad had

28:05

been at a family wedding just

28:07

out of town the night before

28:09

he had spent the afternoon of

28:11

Sunday, May 7th, lunching with some

28:13

of his extended family, but after

28:15

that Brad had returned home. So

28:18

when the Kinneys were driving to Brad's

28:20

house to deliver this weed whacker, they

28:23

expected to find Brad there, and this

28:25

was indicative of the fact that his

28:27

car was in the driveway when the

28:29

Kinneys pulled up to the house. Now

28:32

David, Sherry, and their daughter had

28:34

all gotten out of their vehicle

28:37

and they knocked on the front

28:39

door first, however there

28:41

was no answer. Brad had

28:43

one of those houses, it was kind of

28:45

like set into the landscape

28:48

a little bit. So his garage

28:51

was also a basement, but was

28:54

accessible from like one side of the house.

28:56

So they decided to go around to the

28:58

garage door to see if they could get

29:00

a hold of Brad through there. Brad was

29:03

like an antiquer as well, so he often

29:05

spent a lot of time organizing his antiques

29:07

and stuff in the garage. But anyway, they

29:09

knocked on the door and

29:11

there was still no answer. They're

29:13

like, damn he's really cataloging his

29:16

Chachkies in there. Exactly, you know

29:18

gays in their Chachkies. Yes I

29:20

do actually, I'm a little bit

29:22

acquainted. Yeah. Thank you. Now after

29:24

knocking on the garage door and

29:26

receiving no answer, the Kinneys then

29:28

went around to the back of

29:30

the house and that's when they

29:32

realized that the back door was

29:34

unlocked. So Brad ended up stepping

29:36

inside and saw right

29:38

away that things were amiss.

29:41

The entire kitchen had been upturned,

29:43

cupboards had been ripped open, drawers

29:45

were ripped open and had been

29:47

rooted through, items were just scattered

29:50

all over the room and this

29:52

chaos really continued throughout the rest

29:54

of the house. It basically

29:56

looked as if Brad had been

29:59

robbed. despite the fact

30:01

that his car was outside, there

30:03

was still no sign of Brad

30:05

in the house. However,

30:07

when the Kinneys went down into the

30:10

garage, they would soon find

30:12

Brad. Now, like I

30:14

said, Brad liked to collect a

30:16

lot of antiques and his house

30:18

was basically filled to the brim

30:20

with them. Friends joked that his

30:23

house was sort of decorated like

30:25

a cracker barrel, that was his

30:27

aesthetic. Gotcha. Yeah, and due to

30:29

this fascination, Brad's garage was organized

30:31

chaos, to say the least. However,

30:33

amongst the clutter, the Kinneys discovered

30:36

Brad. He was lying

30:38

face down in a pool of

30:40

his own blood. Oh no. Now,

30:42

the Kinneys fled immediately and once

30:45

outside Brad's home, Sherry made a

30:47

panicked phone call to 911. When

30:51

the police arrived, the Kinneys 13 year

30:54

old daughter, who had been here the whole time.

30:56

Oh my fuck, yeah, there's a kid there. Oh,

30:58

go on. There's a kid here. She

31:00

witnessed all of this. She had

31:03

already seen way too much. She

31:06

was escorted away from the house and

31:08

was brought to a neighbor's place so

31:10

that the police could speak with David

31:12

and Sherry privately about what had happened.

31:14

Sure, yeah. Now, through their panic and

31:16

their tears, they were both incredibly upset

31:18

at this moment. The Kinneys explained what

31:21

had happened, why they were there, they

31:23

were there to deliver the weed whacker,

31:25

they knocked on the doors, there were

31:27

no answer, came to the house, out

31:29

upturned and then found Brad's body. David

31:32

was just completely inconsolable at this

31:35

moment. He was in a state

31:37

of disbelief and lamenting about, he

31:40

wasn't supposed to see his friend

31:42

like that. And then he and

31:44

Sherry were also upset because they

31:46

were literally planning to go on

31:48

a vacation the following weekend together.

31:50

Again, Brad was super, super close

31:52

with this family. Yeah, absolutely. Now,

31:54

after the police got a statement

31:56

from the Kinneys, they proceeded with

31:58

some follow-up questions. It was

32:00

quite obvious to everyone that Brad had

32:02

been shot in the head, but the

32:05

circumstances that could have led to this

32:07

happening were still up in the air

32:09

as they were awaiting the corner to

32:11

come and examine things. Now,

32:13

foul play couldn't be ruled out.

32:16

So the Kinneys were asked about

32:18

Brad's dating history because that's, you

32:20

know, it's a fair place

32:22

to start. You're trying to figure out what's

32:24

going on with somebody with bullet holes in

32:26

their head. Well, yeah. And if they're like

32:28

a single person. Who like lives

32:31

alone, that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly.

32:33

So basically through this, the police learned

32:35

that Brad was gay. And according to

32:38

the Kinneys, Brad had only been seeing

32:40

one person as of late. OK.

32:43

But they didn't know his full

32:45

name. However, David told the police

32:47

that he was a younger man

32:49

named Scott. Now, the

32:51

police also asked about Brad's mental

32:53

health history, as they also could

32:55

not rule out suicide as a

32:57

possible cause of death. Sure. The

32:59

Kinneys basically told the police that although

33:02

Brad had suffered from some mental illness,

33:04

because I mean, who doesn't? Oh, baby,

33:06

hello. Yeah. They really weren't aware of

33:08

any crisis that could have led to

33:10

him dying in such a manner. Yeah.

33:13

That was pretty much all that the Kinneys

33:15

could do to help at this point. So

33:17

after this questioning by the police, they were

33:19

instructed to go home to try and relax

33:22

and then the police promised that they would

33:24

be in touch. Oh, my God. If I

33:26

were them, I'd be like, I've got a

33:28

few of those like gold dust gel

33:30

eye masks. Here you go. Put them in

33:33

your fridge for half an hour. Have a

33:35

spa night. You know what I mean, baby?

33:37

Yeah, maybe that would be good. Here's a

33:39

bath bomb. Yeah. A spa night comfort kit.

33:41

Yeah. Just an idea. Yeah. It's good PR,

33:43

if anything. If the police were handing out

33:45

spa kits, then maybe I could support raising

33:48

the funding a little bit. Yeah. Maybe I

33:50

wouldn't be like fully defund. Yeah. Because that

33:52

also doesn't mean like completely get like, you

33:54

know, if there's a lot of you on

33:56

to the conversation of defunding, but I'm just

33:58

saying like, you know. It wouldn't be

34:00

complete if there were some bath bombs

34:03

in there exactly for the people. Yeah,

34:05

it doesn't take away from the institutional

34:08

Shit in the bottom anyway, but

34:10

anyway, yeah, unfortunately the kines

34:12

left with no spa treatment

34:14

whatsoever No And

34:16

now the police were at Brad's

34:18

place waiting for the corner and

34:21

as they waited for the corner

34:23

They began to investigate the rest

34:25

of Brad's home and just process

34:27

what they could yeah now due

34:29

to the fact that things had

34:31

been Strown about and Brad was

34:33

known to collect valuable antiques robbery

34:35

was an apparent motive here Yeah,

34:37

sure however Upon closer

34:40

examination the police noticed that

34:42

nothing of value seemed to

34:44

be missing like although things

34:46

were thrown around Nothing

34:48

really seemed to be missing because

34:50

amongst all of this there were

34:53

computers tablets phones Television

34:55

Oh, whoa, yeah money totally all things that

34:57

typically would have been stolen This was a

34:59

robbery. So even if the person didn't have

35:01

a taste for like a Tiffany lamp It's

35:03

like you would expect them to at least

35:05

snag that stuff on the way out exactly

35:07

because they could pawn it off for a

35:09

quick Buck. Yeah, it's typically what they're looking

35:11

for. Exactly. They're not like Oh fine China,

35:13

but they're like my soundbar Exactly.

35:16

Yeah, the thing is though The fact

35:18

that all of these things were left

35:20

behind made the police suspect that maybe

35:23

Robbery wasn't the motive and

35:25

maybe this robbery had been

35:27

staged However, they

35:29

also had to consider that if Brad

35:32

had died by suicide, he could have

35:34

maybe Upturned the home

35:36

himself. Yeah, it's possibility Yeah, and

35:38

that would would explain why nothing

35:41

had been taken The only problem

35:43

was that when someone uses a

35:45

gun to die by suicide. The

35:47

gun is always present Yep, because

35:50

there's nobody there to take it

35:52

away But a quick

35:54

scan of the garage proved fruitless in

35:56

that pursuit. However, sometimes when a person

35:59

dies does die in this way, they

36:01

may fall on top of the gun.

36:03

And since they were still waiting for the corner

36:05

and Brad was a big guy, they couldn't move

36:07

his body just yet, so they were like, maybe

36:10

that's what happened. Maybe he's lying on top of

36:12

the gun. However, when

36:14

the corner arrived and eventually allowed

36:16

them to move Brad's body, there

36:19

was no gun to be found. The

36:23

corner also revealed that Brad

36:25

had been shot in the

36:27

back of the head, not

36:29

once, but twice, which

36:31

pretty much confirmed that they were

36:34

dealing with a homicide. Yeah, that

36:37

almost entirely seems, again, not

36:39

a homicide investigator, but usually

36:41

when somebody shot on the

36:43

backside, it's because they're trying

36:45

to get away. Exactly. Yeah.

36:48

Now, with the determination that

36:50

Brad McGarry had been murdered,

36:53

the police began interviewing Brad's

36:55

friends and family immediately. Basically,

36:58

they wanted to form a timeline

37:00

and gain as much information as

37:02

possible, hoping that that could lead

37:04

them to the person responsible for

37:06

Brad's death. Now, with

37:09

the understanding that Brad was a gay

37:11

man in a fairly conservative town, the

37:13

first thing that the police wanted to

37:15

try and determine was whether or not

37:17

Brad was the victim of a hate

37:19

crime. Now, speaking with

37:21

Brad's friends and family, the investigators

37:23

learned that Brad was very open

37:26

about his sexuality and did not try

37:28

to hide it. And for the most

37:30

part, people were pretty accepting. However, sometimes

37:33

at work, Brad would make comments to

37:35

other coworkers being like, oh, you look

37:37

really nice in those jeans, I really

37:39

like that shirt on you, things

37:41

like that that aren't necessarily

37:44

super appropriate. And that

37:46

could maybe potentially inspire

37:48

someone to do the

37:50

unthinkable. Now,

37:53

prior to Brad's death, Brad had

37:55

also been transferred to a new

37:57

mine where he did feel the...

37:59

front of some homophobia. I guess

38:01

he had been working at another

38:03

mine previously where things were much

38:05

better, but moving to this new

38:07

mine, he did feel like his

38:09

sexuality was kind of being used

38:11

against him and he did feel

38:13

some discrimination in that way much

38:16

more than he had felt in

38:18

his previous workplace. Still,

38:20

this provided the authorities with very little

38:22

information. So it couldn't be ruled out

38:24

that Brad's death was the result of

38:26

a hate crime, but because the murder

38:29

happened in his own home, the police

38:31

were also eager to talk to some

38:33

of Brad's romantic partners, because again, if

38:35

it was a hate crime, maybe it

38:38

would have happened elsewhere, maybe

38:40

on the street or something like that.

38:42

They really weren't sure, they were just

38:44

trying to put all the pieces together.

38:46

But wanting to speak with Brad's romantic

38:48

partners, the police remembered that David mentioned

38:51

that Brad had been seeing a man

38:53

named Scott. So the police

38:55

were very interested in finding out who

38:57

Scott was and then having a little

38:59

salon. Now, after just

39:01

a little bit of digging, the

39:03

police did get the full name of

39:06

Brad's ex, he was named Scotty

39:08

Butler. And so immediately they

39:10

went to Scotty's address to pay him

39:12

a visit. However, when

39:14

they arrived, Scotty's mother informed

39:16

the police that Scotty wasn't

39:19

home. In fact, he

39:21

was in jail for violating probation

39:23

and had been in jail for

39:26

the last three months. Okay. Yeah.

39:28

So Scotty doesn't know. Scotty doesn't

39:31

know. Sorry, couldn't hold back. No,

39:33

and Scotty basically had the ultimate

39:35

alibi because okay, he may

39:37

have been in a relationship with Brad, but

39:39

not for the last three months because Scotty

39:41

has been in jail and it's very unlikely

39:43

that Scotty was able to skip out of

39:46

jail just to murder Brad and then return

39:48

to his jail. Yeah, he's like, I've been

39:50

throwing neck for cigarettes and cell block B.

39:54

I'm busy, thank you. Yeah. He's

39:56

like, I'm occupied. In every sense

39:58

of the term. But

40:01

anyway, both holes. Sorry.

40:05

Yeah, that's it. Happy Pride, everyone. Scotty was

40:07

the only person walking around in prison with

40:09

a full pack of cigarettes. Hell yeah. Oh,

40:12

you know what I mean. But anyway, because

40:14

of this Scotty was obviously immediately eliminated

40:17

as a suspect, which was great for

40:19

Scotty, but not so great for the

40:21

investigation. Well, yeah. Because they

40:23

were still trying to find out what had happened to

40:25

Brad. Now, speaking with friends

40:27

and family more, the police were

40:29

able to learn about Brad's

40:31

activities prior to his death.

40:34

So on May 6th, that was the night before

40:36

he was killed. Brad had attended

40:38

a family wedding out of town. That

40:41

night he spent or he

40:43

slept at his mother's place. And then

40:45

the following day, May 7th, Brad had

40:47

brunch with some extended family at their

40:49

grandmother's before leaving some time between 1

40:52

30 and 2 o'clock in the afternoon. It's

40:54

so funny. You say a gay went to

40:57

brunch and immediately I'm like, they had a

40:59

drag brunch at his grandmother's. It's not

41:01

like a bottomless mimosa kind of situation.

41:03

No. And that's probably why he dipped

41:05

out at 1 30 or two. Yeah.

41:08

He said, oh, we're going to go

41:10

meet over at grandmother hamburger Mary's. Exactly.

41:13

But basically, this was really important

41:15

to the investigation because if Brad

41:17

had left between 1 30

41:20

and 2, that means there wasn't a

41:22

lot of time between him leaving brunch

41:25

and then being murdered. Oh, yeah. Because

41:28

when Brad's body was discovered,

41:30

he was in a state of

41:32

rigamortis. And that rigamortis

41:35

usually sets in a few hours after

41:37

the murder. And then after a longer

41:39

period of time, the body kind of

41:41

relaxes again. So finding him in that

41:43

state meant that he hadn't been dead

41:46

for very long. So the

41:48

police suspect that that Brad probably

41:50

died sometime shortly after 3 o'clock

41:52

in the afternoon. OK. And in

41:54

some ways, that was a good

41:57

thing because it gave the police

41:59

a very. very narrow timeline

42:01

to investigate in order to

42:03

determine what had happened to

42:05

Brad. So with that

42:07

in mind, the investigators decided to

42:09

look around the neighborhood to see if

42:12

anybody had security cameras on the

42:14

property. At this point,

42:16

2017, people were starting to get security

42:18

cameras. Not everybody had them. So

42:20

a lot of the places that they checked, unfortunately,

42:22

did not have any kind of CCTV footage that

42:24

they could share. However, one

42:27

of Brad's neighbors did have

42:29

a CCTV camera on their

42:31

property, and it happened to

42:33

face the road going to

42:36

and from Brad's place. So

42:39

by looking at this footage, they would

42:41

be able to hopefully figure

42:43

out what kind of activity was happening at

42:45

Brad's house at the time of his death.

42:48

For sure. Furthermore, this camera

42:51

was owned by the chief of police.

42:53

Oh, whoa. Well, they really had no

42:55

issues getting access to it at all.

42:58

Baby. Yeah. One

43:00

with hope, at least. So as far

43:03

as this investigation was concerned, that was

43:05

a pretty lucky circumstance. Absolutely. Now the

43:07

hope was that the footage... Now investigators

43:10

ended up sitting down with Brad's cousin,

43:12

Skyler, who had spent time with Brad

43:14

on the day that he was killed.

43:17

She said that on Sunday, they had

43:19

all gone to their grandmother's house for

43:22

lunch, and Skyler, Brad, and another cousin

43:24

named Heather were sitting around the table

43:26

talking when Brad made a comment about

43:28

how a guy he had been seeing

43:30

named DJ was going to come over

43:33

for a quote unquote nap. Now

43:36

Skyler explained that when Brad said

43:39

nap, he wasn't talking about sleeping.

43:41

He was talking about sex. Yeah.

43:44

Now Skyler... He was talking

43:46

about cigarettes. Exactly. Now Skyler

43:48

did confirm that Brad left between 1.30 and 2.

43:52

However, she had done some

43:54

digging around on her own prior to

43:56

her conversation with the police and

43:58

had some pretty interesting... interesting information to

44:01

share. Based on what she

44:03

had been told, Skyler believed that

44:05

DJ was a married man who

44:07

Brad had been seeing for years

44:09

and that DJ's wife didn't know

44:11

that he was cheating on her

44:13

with Brad. Not a lot of

44:16

gay men in your community, right?

44:18

Mm-hmm. Yeah. But

44:20

furthermore, in this interview with

44:22

the police, Skyler also revealed

44:25

that based on what she

44:27

found out on social media,

44:29

she believed that DJ, aka

44:31

David Jr., was actually Brad's

44:33

long-time best friend, David Kinney.

44:36

Oh, shit! The same friend who discovered

44:38

Brad's body and called the police. Fuck!

44:40

Also, just want to unpack one thing.

44:42

I wasn't trying to make a problematic

44:44

statement because, you know, married guys can

44:46

be pan and bi and all that

44:48

kind of stuff. Mm-hmm. But you

44:50

love everyone. Now, that's fucked though. But that's

44:53

fucked up. Yeah, like to circle back to

44:55

the actual point. What the

44:57

fuck? Yeah. Okay. So,

44:59

as expected with this information,

45:02

the police decided to bring David

45:04

Kinney back down to the police

45:06

station for a little chatty chat.

45:08

Yeah. Under the ruse that they

45:10

wanted to look at some pictures on his phone.

45:12

Mm-hmm. Pictures that I guess David

45:14

had previously told them about. He was trying

45:16

to be very... Helpful. ...cooperative and

45:19

helpful. Yeah. Now, when

45:21

David arrived at the police station, he

45:23

very willingly handed his phone over to

45:25

the detectives who then took his phone

45:27

into another room to basically copy it.

45:29

They're like, thank you D.L.-- I mean

45:31

D.J. Exactly. At the police

45:34

station, he very willingly handed his

45:36

phone over to the detectives who

45:38

then took his phone into another

45:40

room to basically copy it. They're

45:42

like, thank you D.L.-- I mean D.J. Exactly.

45:46

Now, of course the police weren't too

45:49

interested in whatever picture David

45:51

had to show them. Instead, they wanted to

45:53

take his phone to trace his whereabouts, hoping

45:55

to be able to place him at Brad's

45:57

house on the day of the murder. Now,

46:01

even though David had deleted anything

46:03

that could be incriminating, anything that

46:06

could suggest that he had a

46:08

sexual relationship with Brad, the police

46:10

were able to recover these deleted

46:12

messages. And pretty soon

46:14

they were able to see a

46:17

very different side of David and

46:19

Brad's relationship. One that

46:21

would suggest, or I not even

46:23

suggest, just straight out prove for

46:26

a fact that they were more

46:28

than just friends. Illuminate. Exactly.

46:30

Versus suggest, yeah. Could have been a whole

46:32

picture. I don't really know. They

46:35

didn't go into detail. All tea. It could

46:37

have been a movie, man, I guess, by what you're indicating. Yeah.

46:40

Now, after reviewing David's phone history,

46:42

the investigators were also able to

46:44

determine that David's phone was at

46:47

Brad's house, not just on the

46:49

day of the murder, but at

46:51

the suspected time of the murder.

46:54

Fuck. Okay. Furthermore, you remember

46:56

the CCTV footage that they got from

46:58

the chief of police's house? Yeah. That

47:01

showed David Kinney driving to Brad's house

47:03

in his wife's car around 3 p.m.

47:05

on the day that

47:07

Brad was murdered. And then about 40

47:10

minutes later, David can be seen driving

47:12

away. God. But then

47:14

hours later, the CCTV footage would

47:16

show David in his white pickup

47:19

truck with his wife and his

47:21

daughter on his way back to

47:24

Brad's house. And then shortly after

47:26

that is when the police got

47:28

the call from the Kinneys about Brad

47:31

being dead in his garage. Now, I'm not going

47:33

to forecast. I'm not trying to project too hard.

47:35

But if he knows what I think he

47:37

knows and he's literally bringing his 13 year old

47:39

daughter in there to discover this. Isn't

47:43

that fucked up? I have very few words

47:45

that I can say on microphone right now,

47:48

knowing that I'm being recorded. The

47:50

fuck is wrong with this guy? Girl.

47:53

Now, with all of this mounting

47:55

evidence, this is a mountain of

47:57

evidence. The police pretty much

47:59

know. that David was there

48:01

when Brad was killed, but now

48:03

they needed to try and get

48:05

the truth out of David. They

48:07

needed a sweet, sweet confession. Oh

48:10

my God. Yeah, right. Now, interviewing

48:12

David, the police told him that

48:14

they knew he was there at

48:16

the time Brad was killed. Of

48:19

course, David just swore that he

48:21

hadn't been there when Brad was

48:23

killed, just like, no, I wasn't,

48:25

I wasn't, I wasn't. However, his

48:27

body language said otherwise, he basically

48:30

just began to break down

48:32

and cry. Now the

48:34

police continued to press David

48:36

about his relationship with Brad.

48:38

They told David that they

48:40

knew that he and Brad

48:42

were involved in a sexual

48:44

relationship. And eventually David did

48:46

admit that he and Brad

48:48

had been having sex on

48:50

and off for several years.

48:52

Okay. However, David did state

48:54

that even though Brad loved

48:56

him, he wasn't interested in

48:58

pursuing a committed relationship as

49:00

he wanted to stay married to his

49:02

wife. Now, as

49:05

David began to open up to

49:07

the police, they continue to encourage

49:09

David to tell the truth. And

49:12

with more prodding from the police,

49:15

David would eventually admit that he

49:17

had gone to Brad's house that

49:19

day. He said that

49:21

when he arrived, Brad wasn't there.

49:24

But shortly after Brad did show

49:26

up back home in his BMW

49:28

with another guy. Now

49:30

David said that he did not know

49:33

who this guy was. He did not

49:35

know his name. However, David did say

49:37

that Brad and this unknown man were

49:40

in the garage when they started arguing

49:42

about the fact that David was there.

49:45

Moments later, according to David, an

49:47

argument broke out and then there

49:49

was a gunshot. David

49:51

then said that he saw this

49:54

unknown man come running out of

49:56

the garage and got into Brad's

49:58

BMW. David said that at

50:01

that moment, the man had also threatened

50:03

to shoot him. And so he decided

50:05

to flee. And

50:08

none of this is on camera, though. No,

50:10

no, no, no, no, no, because because they

50:12

entered the fourth dimension. Well, the CCTV footage

50:14

was showing the road, not Brad's house. So

50:17

Brad's house had not been on any

50:20

CCTV footage, just the road going to

50:22

and from. OK. The thing is, though,

50:24

this whole story was a total lie.

50:26

And the police knew it. First

50:28

of all, Brad's BMW had been left

50:30

in the driveway. So if David was

50:32

trying to insinuate that he had taken

50:35

off in it or something, that just

50:37

simply wasn't true. But furthermore,

50:40

Brad had just been coming back

50:42

from a wedding and his car

50:44

was filled with stuff from the

50:46

wedding, the backseat, the passenger seat,

50:49

everything. So the idea that Brad

50:51

pulled up with somebody else in

50:53

his car just wasn't physically possible

50:55

unless this was like, let me

50:57

sit on your lap. Daddy situation.

51:00

No, no, no. It absolutely was

51:02

not when you're driving. Yeah. The

51:04

basically knowing this, the police called

51:06

David out on his lie. But

51:08

David stuck to his story. But

51:11

then the police were like, why

51:13

didn't you call the cops sooner?

51:15

Right. And furthermore, why did you

51:17

bring your wife and your 13

51:20

year old daughter to this house

51:22

knowing that Brad was dead inside?

51:24

Yeah. The question of the hour.

51:27

Exactly. Now, David was didn't really have

51:29

a good answer, honestly. Of course not.

51:31

He was trying to navigate through this

51:34

web of lies like he was fucking

51:36

Catherine Zeter Jones. He's still trying

51:38

to know Homo his way out

51:40

of there on some level, I'm

51:42

sure. Exactly. But basically, whenever the

51:44

police gave a question that David

51:47

just couldn't answer, he would just

51:49

like cry and then bury his

51:51

head in his hands. Yeah, that doesn't

51:53

work. It really doesn't work. And it wasn't

51:55

working. All the police at this

51:57

point really need it from David with some

51:59

kind of. confession like they knew that

52:01

they had him he knew that

52:03

they had him Yeah, but he was just doing

52:06

this fucking rat race and they were just like

52:08

we just need to like get what we need

52:10

out of this guy so They

52:12

decided to play a bit of a

52:14

mind game with David and so instead

52:16

of asking him why he had killed

52:18

Brad The tone of

52:20

the interrogation shift it slightly when

52:23

the investigator interviewing Brad said, do

52:25

you know what I think happened?

52:28

Thanks Brad's death was an accident.

52:30

I think this was just a big

52:33

accident something bad happened somebody panicked

52:35

Yeah, and an accident happened and

52:38

then whoever whoever did this exactly

52:40

in that tone Exactly. Whoever did

52:42

this must have accidentally shot him

52:45

panicked. I didn't think that anybody

52:47

would believe him and so he

52:50

fled Yeah After

52:53

a moment of silence the

52:55

officer then asked David Was

52:57

it an accident? Yeah, and that's

53:00

when David began to talk and

53:02

said quote Brad's been wanting

53:04

me to leave my wife for

53:06

a while Okay, David then continued

53:08

to explain that although he loved

53:10

Brad He also loved his family

53:12

and wasn't going to leave them

53:14

for Brad David said that

53:16

he had gone over there that day to

53:18

call things off But Brad

53:20

got angry when he did David claimed

53:23

that Brad had hit him and kind

53:25

of like threw him around And he

53:27

yelled at him for wanting to end

53:29

the relationship and for wasting his time

53:31

for so many years And in the

53:33

heat of all this Brad ended up

53:35

pulling out a gun and started aiming

53:37

it at David David said

53:39

that Brad just kept waving the gun

53:41

around at him And so eventually he

53:44

grabbed it and pushed Brad away and

53:46

then shot him That

53:48

is really all that the police

53:50

needed because at this moment David

53:52

admit it to shooting Brad

53:54

Exactly, but after admitting to shooting

53:57

Brad in the head David stopped

53:59

talking then asked for a lawyer. You

54:02

could ask for a lawyer a lot

54:04

sooner, dude. I know, right? But he

54:06

was too focused on giving them a

54:08

crying performance. Exactly. But basically, the police

54:10

had all the information that they needed

54:13

to arrest David Kinney. So David was

54:15

formally arrested on May 9th, 2017 for

54:19

the murder of Brad McGarry.

54:22

Now David's bail was set at $1 million,

54:25

which he certainly did not have. So

54:27

he would spend the next eight months

54:29

in jail awaiting his trial. In

54:32

February 2018, David Kinney's trial began. He

54:36

pleaded not guilty, claiming that he

54:39

had killed Brad in self-defense. However,

54:42

after hearing the evidence, the court

54:44

simply did not agree. After

54:46

a four-hour deliberation, the jury

54:49

found David Kinney guilty of

54:51

one count of aggravated murder.

54:54

The real catalyst in all of

54:56

this was the fact that the

54:58

forensic analysis of Brad's body showed

55:00

that Brad was shot twice in the back

55:02

of the head by someone who

55:05

would have been standing behind him, which,

55:07

like you kind of insinuated, Johnny, really

55:09

didn't sound like Brad was killed in

55:11

self-defense. How do you shoot somebody from

55:13

behind in self-defense? Yes, unless you are

55:15

going toe to toe with Ghostface in

55:17

a screen movie, and they've taken a

55:19

moment to pick their wedgie and have

55:22

turned their upper body and you pop

55:24

them in the back of the head

55:26

in that moment, that's

55:28

excusable? But girl, really?

55:30

Yeah. A lover's quarrel?

55:33

No. Yeah, a DL lover's

55:35

quarrel. Yeah, no. Now,

55:38

during trial, David never took the

55:40

stand and refused the opportunity to

55:42

speak for himself and explain why

55:45

he did what he did. All

55:48

he really had to offer was

55:50

some weak, half-ass apology that I'm

55:52

pretty sure nobody was willing to

55:55

accept. Sure. Now, before his formal

55:57

sentencing, Judge Frank Frigia...

56:00

said, quote, if this man was

56:02

able to do an assassin's job

56:04

on someone he loved and his

56:06

best friend, what could he do

56:08

to his enemy or someone who

56:10

opposed him? Dang yeah. Which is

56:13

the perfect question. After

56:16

that, David Kinney was sentenced to

56:18

life in prison without the possibility

56:20

of parole plus three years beyond

56:22

life in prison. Oh shit. Just

56:24

to rub some salt into that

56:26

asshole's wound. You know what the

56:28

real way to rub some salt

56:30

into the wound is to take

56:32

him out of general population. You

56:34

know what I mean? Yeah. Because he's

56:36

going to be catching cigarettes. Let's just say

56:39

that. That's it. I'm

56:41

not really sure how much he's thriving in jail. I

56:44

don't really give a fuck, but basically

56:46

he's going to be there for a

56:49

long time because David is serving his

56:51

life sentence in the Belmont Correctional Institution

56:53

in St. Clairsville, Ohio. And she's serving.

56:56

She is. Now as

56:58

for his wife, Sherry, she

57:00

was completely devastated by all of

57:03

this. Understandably. Yeah. Actually,

57:05

when David was arrested, he asked

57:07

the police to allow him to break

57:10

the news to his wife. So they

57:12

brought her in and then he told

57:14

her everything. Yeah. It

57:16

sucks for her. It sucks for

57:18

their kid. Their kid. Exactly. They

57:21

had a few kids actually together. But

57:24

anyway, she ended up divorcing his ass.

57:26

She was like, see you later, dude.

57:29

And since then, she's found a new

57:31

partner and has moved on with her

57:33

life because you can have an open

57:35

relationship. Y'all can be pan. Y'all can

57:38

get married and think you're straight and then

57:40

realize and renegotiate later on. And like that

57:42

is OK. But communication, honesty,

57:44

being upfront, all of these things are

57:46

required. It starts with a conversation. And

57:49

he was too chicken shit to ever

57:51

do that for some reason. Again, we

57:53

don't know exactly what went down, but

57:55

it does seem like that some kind

57:57

of ultimatum was presented. And in David's.

58:00

mind murder was easier than

58:02

just having a difficult conversation.

58:05

You know, he tried to have it

58:07

all and he ended up losing everything

58:09

and really fucking up a lot of

58:11

people's lives in the process because of

58:13

course, although everybody is trying to move

58:15

on, moving on is much easier said

58:17

than done. Brad's family

58:19

will forever have to live with

58:21

the void that Brad's murder has

58:23

created, but at least

58:26

they can rest knowing that mortal

58:28

justice has been fried up in the

58:30

pan and served. With

58:33

that being said, I just want to

58:35

give a big a-wa-a-wa to my sources.

58:38

Thanks to Mind of a Criminal on YouTube, they

58:40

had a video called When the Killer is the

58:42

First to Arrive at the Murder Scene that was

58:45

published December 2nd, 2022. Thanks

58:48

to Red Tree Crime, sorry, on

58:50

YouTube for the video,

58:52

What Pretending to Be Shocked Looks Like. This

58:54

is the full interrogation video, so you can

58:57

watch that if you want to. I think

58:59

it's like 40 minutes. I skimmed.

59:02

Okay. Thank you as well to that

59:04

chapter on YouTube for the video, Detective

59:06

Realizes the Witness is Actually the Killer,

59:08

that was published January 5th, 2024. Thanks

59:13

as well to oxygen.com for the

59:15

article, A Surprising Suspect Emerges in

59:17

Death of Openly Gay Coal Miner,

59:19

that was written by Jill Sederstorm

59:22

and published on June 4th, Thanks

59:26

as well to yahoo.com for

59:28

the article, Dateline NBC, How

59:31

Was Brad McCary Murdered, that was

59:33

published October 26th, 2023. And

59:36

then finally, thanks to Dateline

59:39

for their episode, Dangerous Secret,

59:41

that was on Season 32,

59:44

Episode 8, and was released October

59:46

26th, 2024. You

59:49

can watch that if you want to

59:51

in video form, but you can also

59:53

listen to it in podcast form. All

59:55

right. Thank you, Tyler. You're

59:58

welcome. Happy Pride. Here's

1:00:00

the thing. I was like, it's pride. Like, let's

1:00:02

talk about some queer stories here. They're all tragic

1:00:04

when it when it comes to the confines of

1:00:07

this show. There is like, I just want a

1:00:09

happy little gay ghost somewhere. More

1:00:11

long form queer hauntings. We need to

1:00:13

find them. We need gay cryptids. We

1:00:15

need queer, not just gay queer. Like

1:00:18

we love everyone. Absolutely. Yeah, that's it.

1:00:20

It's just when you search spooky queer,

1:00:22

it's always just true crime. Right. I'm

1:00:25

sick of it. Dang, I

1:00:27

know. But anyway, let's move on.

1:00:29

Gladly. W.

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The ultimate driving machine. Apple

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podcasts. So as

1:01:31

I said before, I'm not doing true crime. I'm

1:01:33

not touching that shit with a 10 foot pole

1:01:36

today. No, thank you. But in the meantime, are

1:01:38

you ready for some witchy shit? Oh,

1:01:40

I love me some wishy shit girl. You know

1:01:43

me. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely the same here. So

1:01:45

time to get spooky. Okey today. We

1:01:47

are going to be taking a little

1:01:49

dip down below the border to the

1:01:51

northeast of the USA to talk about

1:01:53

the only woman to be convicted of

1:01:56

witchcraft in the state of New Hampshire.

1:01:58

Oh, okay. of the

1:02:00

icon known as Eunice, aka Goodie Cole?

1:02:03

I have not. Okay, well she's a

1:02:05

notorious icon, so get into it. And

1:02:07

she's a notorious icon who, despite passing

1:02:09

away back in the 17th century, is

1:02:13

still said to haunt the streets of the town she passed

1:02:15

into this day. So she's a witch

1:02:17

and a ghost. So watch your behavior, that's what

1:02:19

I'm telling you. Anyway, for this

1:02:22

case, as I mentioned, we are going

1:02:24

to be stopping into New Hampshire, specifically

1:02:26

the town of Hampton. And

1:02:28

if you want an image of this in your

1:02:31

mind's eye, it's located in the bottom right corner

1:02:33

of Rockingham County, which is in

1:02:35

the bottom right corner of New Hampshire. Which,

1:02:37

if you don't really know the shape, it's kind of

1:02:40

like a right angle scalene triangle, which I totally had

1:02:42

to look up, but that's the one where no sides

1:02:44

are the same length. Oh sure. So is it longer

1:02:46

on the bottom or longer on the top? Longer as

1:02:48

it goes up to the top. Oh. Yeah.

1:02:51

I know. I can see

1:02:53

it in my mind's eye. Well, and then

1:02:55

to further illuminate the image, it has doritoey

1:02:57

edges. Oh, yum. Delicious. I know. So

1:02:59

New Hampshire does have something going for it. It truly does.

1:03:03

New Hampshire does have flavor. Yeah. It's

1:03:05

doritoey inherently. I love it. Yeah. I

1:03:08

should teach geography. You should. Aside from that,

1:03:10

it's a town of a little over 16,000

1:03:12

residents in present day, but out of everyone

1:03:14

who has ever graced the proverbial stage of

1:03:17

Hampton, New Hampshire, there

1:03:19

is no diva more iconic than Goody Cole,

1:03:21

at least in my opinion. Fair enough. I

1:03:24

did see that Hampton, New Hampshire is

1:03:27

the home to the headquarters of Planet

1:03:29

Fitness, but... Oh, interesting. So does that

1:03:31

mean everything is purple and yellow there?

1:03:34

I hope. I really fucking hope, actually.

1:03:37

But they don't count as an iconic

1:03:39

residence because obviously Planet Fitness is a

1:03:41

planet, not a person. So technically they're

1:03:43

in space. It's true.

1:03:46

Anyway, even though... That's

1:03:48

so stupid. Yeah, thank

1:03:50

you. I'm a scientist. I know these things.

1:03:52

I'm a scientist, an egeologist. I am so

1:03:55

many different things. I'm also an AELTAC. So

1:03:57

anyway, and I'm also a viewer.

1:03:59

I was going to ask. Yeah, nope. Okay,

1:04:01

so anyway, even though Goody is

1:04:03

a Hampton VIP, she actually started

1:04:05

out her story like many of

1:04:07

her time over in England. Admittedly,

1:04:10

there's not a ton of solid biographical

1:04:13

information out there on Eunice Cole's early

1:04:15

life, but we do know that Eunice

1:04:17

Goody Cole was believed to have been

1:04:20

born in 1590. So

1:04:23

that's pretty far back. That is pretty far back.

1:04:25

If you ask me, and if you aren't aware,

1:04:27

Goody is short for Good Wife, which was like

1:04:29

a common form of address at the time. Yeah,

1:04:31

I didn't quite realize that until you presented the

1:04:33

Salem Witch Trial. You just thought that they had

1:04:36

that good good? Yeah, I thought it was just

1:04:38

kind of like a common name because you know,

1:04:40

when I was growing up, there were a lot

1:04:42

of people named Brittany and there were a lot

1:04:44

of people named Daniel. Yeah, I just thought it

1:04:46

was the name of the time. You just spend

1:04:48

so much time around drag culture. You're just like,

1:04:50

that just means good pussy. Yeah, whatever. Anyway,

1:04:54

her name also, like if you

1:04:56

really want to get freaky about

1:04:58

it, was originally spelled allegedly UNISE,

1:05:00

kind of like Anise, but

1:05:03

Eunice. That makes sense. But anyway,

1:05:05

she's commonly referred to as Eunice,

1:05:07

which is like an alternative version.

1:05:09

So anyway, we'll call her Eunice

1:05:11

just because Eunice just feels like

1:05:13

we're entering some dark territory. Eunice,

1:05:15

a Nervin talent. Yeah, bitch, if

1:05:17

she did drag, she would have

1:05:19

to be star Eunice. She absolutely

1:05:21

would. You know what? No charisma.

1:05:23

So she's just aunt. Right. Aren't

1:05:26

we all? So anyway, Eunice lived in and

1:05:28

around London, England before moving to the United

1:05:30

States with her husband, William Cole, in the

1:05:33

1630s. So when

1:05:35

she's like in her 40s. Now

1:05:37

according to Cheryl Lassiter, who I will shout

1:05:39

out a little bit later on in my

1:05:41

sources, she believes that Eunice

1:05:43

and her husband, William, despite not having

1:05:46

a lot of biographical information out there

1:05:48

available, might actually be the same people

1:05:50

who appeared on a wedding register out

1:05:53

of Middlesex, England, which is like just

1:05:55

north of London, like a

1:05:57

borough north of London. Anyway, that indicates that

1:05:59

in. 1635, so roughly around

1:06:01

the age of 45, she would

1:06:03

have been married to William, whose name is

1:06:06

spelled C-O-U-L-E-S, tracks

1:06:08

on an alternative spellings. And

1:06:11

it says that he was a Sawyer, so

1:06:13

they may be the same they may not

1:06:15

be. It doesn't have a huge hinging on

1:06:17

their bio though. Absolutely, plus I feel like

1:06:19

back in the day, people were just doing

1:06:21

their best with spellings and they'd be getting

1:06:23

it all twisted. Right. You might get somebody

1:06:25

who's trying to write with their thumb because

1:06:27

their quill flew away. Oh yeah.

1:06:29

They're just trying to get through the work

1:06:31

day. Exactly, and again, aren't we all? So

1:06:33

anyway, we don't know if the couple had

1:06:35

any children or not. They

1:06:37

may have had them and left them in England

1:06:39

and just kept them out of future books, but

1:06:42

we do know that they arrived as a solid

1:06:44

duo in New England in mid 1636, the exact

1:06:46

date is unknown. From

1:06:50

there, the two would spend almost a year between 1637

1:06:52

and 1638 in Massachusetts, Massachusetts

1:06:57

is? In

1:06:59

Mount Walliston, Massachusetts, and

1:07:01

then later Braintree, Massachusetts, which is

1:07:04

like the most sci-fi ass name

1:07:06

for a place ever. Braintree, that's

1:07:08

wild. That's metal as fuck, but

1:07:10

there they were indentured servants to

1:07:12

a merchant originally from London named

1:07:14

Matthew Craddock. Okay. Now they

1:07:17

spent about a year there before

1:07:19

becoming some of the first settlers

1:07:21

in Exeter, New Hampshire, and this

1:07:23

was after their minister, John Wheelwright,

1:07:25

had got a place ever. Braintree,

1:07:27

that's wild. That's metal as fuck,

1:07:29

but there they were indentured servants

1:07:31

to a merchant originally from London

1:07:33

named Matthew Craddock. Okay. Now

1:07:35

they spent about a year there before

1:07:37

becoming some of the first settlers in

1:07:39

Exeter, New Hampshire, and this was after

1:07:41

their minister, John Wheelwright, had gotten in

1:07:44

like major hot water in the community

1:07:46

due to antinomianism, which I'm

1:07:48

gonna say. What is that? Okay,

1:07:50

I'm gonna slow it down,

1:07:52

antinomianism. And it runs real

1:07:55

deep, we could probably talk all day

1:07:57

about it, but my understanding is that

1:07:59

this basically refers to it. to a

1:08:01

religious and political conflict that took place

1:08:03

in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, surrounding

1:08:06

whether or not God could have

1:08:08

direct communication with an individual versus

1:08:11

you know only getting your God

1:08:13

and religion from the Bible. So

1:08:15

essentially there were like big disagreements

1:08:17

in how one should be in

1:08:19

communication with God and this resulted

1:08:21

in the banishment of a woman

1:08:23

named Anne Hutchinson and her followers

1:08:25

as well as John Wheelwright and

1:08:27

his followers which included William

1:08:30

and Eunice. So, hand us up. Yeah.

1:08:32

Sorry, we're in school now. What's that?

1:08:35

It had nothing to do with gnomes?

1:08:37

No, unfortunately. That sucks. How unwhimsical. But

1:08:40

anyway, they were banished so they ended up

1:08:42

staying in Exeter until 1644 when the couple

1:08:46

ultimately made their way to the

1:08:48

now iconic Hampton. And

1:08:50

of course once there they discovered the

1:08:52

galaxy containing planet fitness, the only known

1:08:54

exoplanet with an environmental equivalent to our

1:08:57

Earth. But all T, the couple received

1:08:59

a parcel of land so they made it work.

1:09:02

Now it was in the 1640s

1:09:04

that the couple embarked on their

1:09:06

next chapter which is pretty much

1:09:08

when the witch accusations against Eunice

1:09:10

started cropping up. Now it

1:09:13

should be noted that these also

1:09:15

happened to coincide with a number

1:09:17

of court appearances made by Eunice

1:09:19

and her husband, William, after

1:09:21

the two were heavily embroiled in

1:09:24

local drama over the years. Uh

1:09:26

oh. The hive

1:09:28

is buzzing. Okay, there were

1:09:30

a few charges against our good

1:09:33

goody girl Eunice including

1:09:37

slanderous statements being lobbed against

1:09:39

a neighbor and she once

1:09:41

lunged at a neighbor allegedly.

1:09:44

Okay. I don't know

1:09:46

the details, she was feisty but

1:09:48

she ended up having a number

1:09:50

of trials like just small potatoes

1:09:52

ones. She ended up getting

1:09:54

locked in stocks at a certain point over like

1:09:56

the issues that she was having with her neighbors.

1:09:59

So she was... noted by some

1:10:01

as just being a general misanthrope in

1:10:03

the community, which also, just like to

1:10:05

zoom out on, is just a perfect

1:10:07

storm for witchcraft accusations, if you ask

1:10:09

me. Especially in the 1600s, baby, they

1:10:12

were waiting for a witch to come

1:10:14

strolling by. Oh, baby, you've got local

1:10:16

drama with people, you've been banished for

1:10:18

religious reasons from a colony, you own

1:10:20

land and you're poor? Oh, honey, you

1:10:22

are bound to get called a witch.

1:10:24

Definitely a witch. So anyway, by the

1:10:27

end of the decade, in 1649, Eunice

1:10:29

was already being accused with another woman

1:10:31

from a nearby community of Portsmouth, New

1:10:33

Hampshire. This was a woman named Jane

1:10:35

Walford, who thankfully was only accused and

1:10:37

not charged of suspicions of

1:10:40

witchcraft. And like, again, they

1:10:42

were not charged at the same time or

1:10:44

anything. It just happened to come up at

1:10:46

the same time. You know, there was just

1:10:48

a cultural uptick in Puritanism and misogyny and

1:10:50

all that kind of stuff happening. Isn't it

1:10:52

great? I know, right? So anyway,

1:10:54

Eunice would actually be charged with

1:10:57

her accusations of witchcraft or like

1:10:59

the accusations lodged against her. And

1:11:02

Walford, as I said, would be exonerated

1:11:04

a year later after what was called

1:11:07

a three times declaration. So

1:11:09

it was up to Eunice to bear

1:11:11

the legal brunt of the witchcraft accusations,

1:11:13

which at the time was a crime

1:11:15

punishable by death. Yeah, it was. And

1:11:17

of course, also along with being charged,

1:11:19

they would divvy up your land if

1:11:21

you owned any. So people were

1:11:23

already like out with their fucking meter sticks, just

1:11:25

being like, I could put my little lamb. Isn't

1:11:29

that? Yeah. What

1:11:31

are they putting lambs in? I could

1:11:33

put my little lamb and Mariah will

1:11:36

definitely come. Yes, absolutely. What

1:11:38

do they put lambs in, Barnes,

1:11:40

I guess? Yeah, like what

1:11:43

were what were those Jesus's

1:11:45

parents trying to get into a manger,

1:11:48

but like inside of a manger?

1:11:51

Oh, a way in. But I

1:11:53

thought the manger was at the carriage, like the thing that the

1:11:55

baby's in. No, it was the

1:11:57

structure. Oh, yeah. Well, I definitely didn't study.

1:11:59

that enough. Anyway, back to the thing I

1:12:01

actually do have notes on. So, witchcraft totally

1:12:04

punishable by death at the time and again,

1:12:06

they would totally divvy up your land so

1:12:08

you can understand why the wheels are turning

1:12:10

as they are. Now remember that because like

1:12:13

I said, she and William are low class

1:12:15

people who owned land there and had previously

1:12:17

owned land in another place. Some people say

1:12:19

they owned land in both places at once,

1:12:21

which just would have been like doubly

1:12:25

setting her up for witchcraft

1:12:27

accusations. But anyway, there are

1:12:29

no trial records to substantiate

1:12:32

exactly what happened next. But

1:12:34

from anecdotal reviews

1:12:36

at the time, we do know that

1:12:38

she faced trial in Boston where 26

1:12:40

witnesses allegedly testified that she was a

1:12:43

witch and this was allegedly

1:12:45

corroborated by witch marks that had supposedly been

1:12:47

found on her body while receiving a whipping

1:12:49

punishment prior. Girl, the fucking witch marks. I

1:12:51

know. Now if you're not acquainted with this,

1:12:53

witch marks could be like a mole or

1:12:55

something like that. But at the time, if

1:12:58

they thought you were a witch, then that

1:13:00

was definitely a sign that the devil left

1:13:02

a mark on you. It was basically also,

1:13:04

I think in some cases, like something that

1:13:06

you're familiar with suckle on. Oh, he little

1:13:08

witch tit. Oh baby,

1:13:11

as a third nipple queen, like a faint

1:13:13

one, I totally would have been. You would

1:13:15

be done girl. As a mentally ill gay

1:13:17

person with a third nipple, like, Ooh, they

1:13:20

would have gotten you wouldn't have survived. Yeah,

1:13:22

totally. They would have seen me walking and

1:13:24

they would have been like, there's too much

1:13:26

swishing and then Hills. Anyway,

1:13:29

so they found the witch mark and they

1:13:31

were like, this has to be it. So

1:13:33

that totally comes into play at trial. Yeah.

1:13:35

Furthermore, they attempted to blame community deaths on

1:13:38

Eunice as well as deaths of livestock, which

1:13:40

she was accused of

1:13:42

having nefarious plans for. She was also

1:13:44

accused of mind reading. Oh, yeah,

1:13:47

of course. But for nefarious purposes. I

1:13:49

mean, she should have seen it coming

1:13:51

then, right? Right. One would think, but

1:13:53

ultimately it's believed that witchcraft wasn't the

1:13:55

official charge that Eunice got at trial

1:13:57

because to be blunt, she lived. So.

1:13:59

Yeah, yeah, like we do know that

1:14:01

she was imprisoned in Boston for a

1:14:03

time following the trial until about the

1:14:05

beginning of 1660 Which

1:14:07

went back to Hampton and

1:14:09

you know went back to living her life

1:14:11

with her husband William The thing is that

1:14:13

didn't really last for long because Eunice was

1:14:16

back in prison after fighting with neighbors again

1:14:18

and once again Using

1:14:20

slanderous language, you know what

1:14:22

at this point though. I think she deserves

1:14:25

Sure, she totally does. Yeah, those neighbors can

1:14:27

catch a few strays at this point That's

1:14:29

what I'm saying. So there she stayed in

1:14:31

prison until 1662

1:14:34

when her husband William was more or less on

1:14:36

his deathbed Now as he

1:14:38

was dying Eunice was aware so she was petitioning

1:14:41

hardcore for her release so that she could go

1:14:43

care for her Ailing partner. Yeah, cuz even he

1:14:45

was like telling the people he's like I can't

1:14:47

manage shit on my own right now I just

1:14:49

need my wife while I'm dying, please. Yeah, throw

1:14:52

her back in after I'm dead I don't care.

1:14:54

I'm right. I'm sure you'll find another reason The

1:14:57

thing is Eunice would be let out

1:14:59

but it was after her husband William

1:15:01

passed away in May of that year

1:15:04

And she wasn't even aware of it upon

1:15:06

release She didn't know her husband was dead

1:15:08

Nope from my understanding which is a real

1:15:10

dick move if that is true like multiple

1:15:12

sources say that yeah Like

1:15:15

just because you're like in prison doesn't

1:15:17

mean you cease to exist and don't

1:15:19

have rights, right? And you know certain

1:15:21

dignities are still it should be afforded

1:15:23

to you Yeah, and if you weren't

1:15:25

a witch before that would make you

1:15:27

a fucking witch, right? Hell Yeah, anyway,

1:15:30

so outside of Eunice's share of the

1:15:32

estate which William of course left to

1:15:34

her The rest of their state was

1:15:36

left to Thomas Webster who was a

1:15:38

close associate of the couple now It's

1:15:40

not exactly known why that was but

1:15:43

as an article shared by the Lane

1:15:45

Memorial Library that Bruce E.

1:15:47

Inge Myers wrote it may have been due

1:15:49

to speculations floating around the time about Eunice

1:15:51

because you know They had already been saying

1:15:54

she might be a witch and more or

1:15:56

less smelling blood in the water William could

1:15:58

have divvied up the state or the estate

1:16:01

so that bureaucratic thieves didn't just target

1:16:03

Eunice and take it all from her in

1:16:05

one fell swoop. Oh right, that's clever. Yeah,

1:16:07

but spoiler alert, we will talk a little

1:16:09

bit later because this was undermined at a

1:16:12

future trial. But William is

1:16:14

right though because unbeknownst to Eunice while

1:16:16

she ended up back in prison, her

1:16:19

po- or no, while she was still in prison like

1:16:21

before he had officially gone and all that, her

1:16:24

portion of the land was sold off by

1:16:26

select men who used the proceeds to pay

1:16:28

for the cost of her imprisonment. What?

1:16:31

Yeah, so she was

1:16:33

a ward of the town at this point.

1:16:35

She has no land, no husband, she's out

1:16:37

of prison, they all hate her and essentially,

1:16:40

they're just like, well, we don't know what to

1:16:42

do with her now. So they allegedly just put

1:16:44

her back in prison. What? Yeah, they let her

1:16:46

out. They're like, I'm so sorry your husband died.

1:16:48

Oh, yeah, we took everything. Okay, now go back.

1:16:50

Yeah, because it's also like, oh, you're a woman,

1:16:53

you can't work. You're not allowed to have a

1:16:55

job. Yeah, you're only allowed to have a husband.

1:16:57

Yeah, and like the timeline does get a little

1:16:59

bit conflated like between this step and the next

1:17:01

step because in 1671

1:17:04

she returns to Hampton and was put up

1:17:06

in a cottage near Rand's Hill where local

1:17:08

families had to chip in to help

1:17:10

her get by like with food and

1:17:12

firewood and stuff like that. Some

1:17:14

people do kind of extend the time that she

1:17:16

was in that cabin. My understanding was though that

1:17:19

she was like in prison as a ward and

1:17:21

then he put her in a cottage as like

1:17:23

a ward of the town

1:17:25

or the state or whatever. Oh my god, awful.

1:17:28

But yeah, regardless like that did end up

1:17:30

happening and then it seems that

1:17:32

by about 1672

1:17:34

the community was just like we're kind of tired of

1:17:37

helping her out and having her live within our community

1:17:40

because we still hate Eunice. Oh my gosh.

1:17:42

And now they were just seeing her as

1:17:44

a leech so they're like what do we

1:17:46

do? Charger with witchcraft again. Oh

1:17:48

no! A second trial comes up for

1:17:51

witchcraft in October of 1672. Give

1:17:54

a girl a break. I know right and

1:17:56

this time they really just threw everything at

1:17:58

Eunice. Like the original accusation was that Eunice

1:18:00

had been pregnant. on a local family who

1:18:03

had been part of her former in-home care

1:18:05

rotation. This was the family

1:18:07

of John and Bridget Clifford, who

1:18:09

claimed that the witch Eunice

1:18:11

was after her children. The T

1:18:14

is the child in question was one of the youngest

1:18:16

of their 11 fucking kids,

1:18:19

Anne Smith, who wasn't even blood related

1:18:21

to the family, but was abandoned with

1:18:23

the family by her former birth

1:18:25

father. And this was after

1:18:28

Anne's birth mother had passed away in

1:18:30

her earlier. So anyway, it was said that

1:18:32

Eunice was just showing kindness to

1:18:34

this child that had been abandoned with a

1:18:36

local family who helped care for her. Cause

1:18:38

here's the T. How is being

1:18:41

a witch a crime and having 11 kids

1:18:43

isn't? Right. And then

1:18:45

just dropping a couple along the way. Oh

1:18:47

yeah, no, no, they're great people. Yeah. So

1:18:50

the thing is Eunice ends up showing like a

1:18:52

bit of kindness to this kid who she probably

1:18:54

saw as a wayward soul. Like, I wonder why

1:18:56

they would have some sort of connection. And

1:18:59

folks, including a bunch of the sisters and

1:19:01

then Anne herself, like the kid herself ended

1:19:03

up claiming that Eunice was a witch. Some

1:19:06

testimonies were also given by

1:19:08

distant familial relations to the Webster's,

1:19:10

which you may remember because I

1:19:13

was just talking about how the

1:19:15

estate was split up between Eunice

1:19:17

and Thomas Webster. So this is

1:19:19

how the Webster's get folded back

1:19:21

into it because essentially Thomas's name

1:19:23

gets roped into the trial and

1:19:26

then by proxy, the

1:19:28

land that was owed to

1:19:30

Eunice or like was owned by

1:19:32

Eunice also got thrown into trial because

1:19:35

essentially they were like, well, he might be up to

1:19:37

some witching as well. So this just got really

1:19:39

fucked up. This is so fucking messy girl.

1:19:41

Yeah. And like I said, they were ultimately

1:19:43

able to get all of the estate that was

1:19:46

left to Eunice because by the end of

1:19:48

the second trial, like the land that Thomas

1:19:50

Webster could have in theory been like, Hey, well

1:19:52

just come fucking live on it. Like it was

1:19:54

out of his hands by that point. So

1:19:57

it was inescapable for Eunice. She ended up

1:19:59

getting jailed. in Boston once again in 1672, although

1:20:03

once again not legally found guilty

1:20:05

of witchcraft because again, she survived.

1:20:08

So quietly shortly thereafter, she was

1:20:11

released from prison. Now,

1:20:13

understandably, for the next few

1:20:15

years, Eunice laid low. Uh-huh.

1:20:18

Can't blame her. I wouldn't be going back to

1:20:20

the Hamptons. Hell no. Is

1:20:23

it? No, I don't think it's the Hamptons. It's

1:20:25

just Hampton. Yeah, I know, I know. They're probably

1:20:27

just like, don't sing anything. Exactly.

1:20:29

Yeah, they want to appreciate the value of her

1:20:31

land. It's basically the same thing. Yeah. Okay,

1:20:34

but anyway, of course, Eunice lays low, but

1:20:36

of course the courts weren't done with her

1:20:38

just yet because there must have been just

1:20:40

a little bit of life in her left

1:20:42

for them to suck dry. So

1:20:45

once again, she was accused of witchcraft.

1:20:47

This is the third time if you're

1:20:49

keeping track. Jesus Christ. Yeah, but this

1:20:51

time she was just locked in leg

1:20:53

irons and imprisoned for a stint and

1:20:55

then just released quietly afterward. Why like

1:20:57

just leave her alone? Yeah, well, don't

1:21:00

worry. They're going to run out of

1:21:02

opportunities soon because this pretty much brings

1:21:04

us up to a month before her

1:21:06

death in October of 1680. Now,

1:21:10

not sure exactly what the cause was, not

1:21:12

sure exactly what date in October she did

1:21:14

pass, although I'm sure

1:21:16

if you ask anybody from at the

1:21:18

time, it's probably like due to witchy

1:21:20

reasons and she died in October because

1:21:22

of course she's linked with Satan. Oh,

1:21:24

definitely she died on Halloween. Yeah, but

1:21:27

regardless, Eunice could finally rest in peace

1:21:30

as much as one could when, you know, they're

1:21:32

accusing you of fucking witchcraft three times in your

1:21:34

lifetime. Anyway, there are

1:21:36

a few different versions of what

1:21:38

exactly came next, but all of

1:21:41

them include Eunice's recently deceased corpse

1:21:43

immediately getting staked through the heart.

1:21:46

Staked through the heart? She's not a

1:21:48

fucking vampire, she's a witch. Don't tell

1:21:50

them that. They also hung a horseshoe

1:21:52

from the stake. Why?

1:21:56

They can't even explain that, they just said as

1:21:58

an extra precaution. They were just like, you know

1:22:00

what? She just needs a little extra something. They

1:22:02

said it just feels a little bit too brutal

1:22:05

and understated for us. Exactly, yeah. It just needs

1:22:07

some real whimsy. Yeah,

1:22:09

you know, if they are

1:22:11

anything, they are thorough in

1:22:13

their baseless superstitions. So

1:22:16

anyway, she was then buried, which honestly wasn't

1:22:18

a surprise to me because I figured they

1:22:20

would have found one more way to make

1:22:22

it offensive. But she was actually put in

1:22:25

the ground. Although it's not exactly known where

1:22:27

she was laid to rest. That could actually

1:22:29

be a good thing though, because judging by

1:22:32

these fuckers, they would not have let her

1:22:34

stay in there. They would have fucked around.

1:22:36

But there are numerous theories involving where her

1:22:38

remains were buried ultimately. There

1:22:40

are some local spots, they're

1:22:43

like bodies of water, all that kind of stuff are considered.

1:22:45

A lot of people consider the spot to

1:22:48

probably be near what is now the Tuck

1:22:50

Museum in Hampton though. So that's kind of

1:22:52

like the de facto place where they put

1:22:54

memorials and stuff like that. Okay. Even though

1:22:57

Eunice was not around anymore though, or

1:23:01

her name out of their mouths though,

1:23:03

because in death, she was definitely remembered

1:23:05

as a witch. And

1:23:07

then by others, just as a mean old lady from

1:23:09

town. How about, no, she

1:23:12

wasn't mean. She had a lot of

1:23:14

mean things done to her. Exactly. It

1:23:16

really takes a lot of depth of

1:23:18

her character away. But in the centuries

1:23:20

to come, historians and writers would rediscover

1:23:22

Eunice's story and that's where she would

1:23:25

continue to live on, albeit through infamy.

1:23:27

So according to my sources, one

1:23:29

of the first folks to explore

1:23:31

the mythos of Goody Cole was

1:23:33

a guy named Edmund Willoughby Toppin,

1:23:36

who was an early 19th century historian

1:23:38

who ended up retelling Eunice's story, albeit

1:23:40

with a bit of a critical eye

1:23:43

on the accusations of witchcraft handed out

1:23:45

against her, which I think is pretty

1:23:47

good for the time. Definitely. Yeah, he

1:23:49

definitely did not consider her to be

1:23:51

a witch, but just probably some unpopular

1:23:53

person who was ostracized and treated

1:23:56

poorly by people. Sounds like it.

1:23:58

Yeah. Like

1:24:01

it should also be noted that in Toppins recounting

1:24:03

of Eunice's death that like an

1:24:05

anecdotal Or an anecdotal detail that I

1:24:07

often see represented as first-hand fact does

1:24:09

pop up so There's

1:24:12

this thing that he says when he's talking about

1:24:14

the case where he says that the folks in

1:24:16

the town noticed that Eunice's chimney wasn't smoking and

1:24:18

then her meals weren't being picked up that they

1:24:21

were dropping off for her Okay And then they

1:24:23

like did a well-meaning BNE to check in on

1:24:25

her and that's how they found her dead. I

1:24:29

Saw that repeated a few times afterward, but that seems

1:24:31

to be where that part of the lore was added

1:24:33

I just want to underline that because if you do

1:24:35

go to read up about this some people just do

1:24:37

claim it like That's part of the original story right

1:24:39

not Anyway, he even

1:24:42

claims to have had seen

1:24:44

Eunice's grave allegedly was pointed out to him

1:24:46

at one point when he was attending Hampton

1:24:48

Academy as a student But

1:24:51

once again, we don't know the exact

1:24:53

locusts theon lost to time. I know

1:24:55

right So another author

1:24:57

at the time Joseph Dow also

1:24:59

echoed the chimney smoke story in

1:25:01

his 19th century book a history

1:25:03

of Hampton There

1:25:06

he just retells the story of Eunice

1:25:08

a little bit less critical than the

1:25:10

first go-around But that's the second time

1:25:12

that her story is retold in print

1:25:15

another 19th century writer who took

1:25:18

interest in Eunice's story would be

1:25:20

the Ambsbury, Massachusetts resident

1:25:22

John Greenleaf Whittier and

1:25:26

I Keep writing John

1:25:28

Green lead. So my apologies if I accidentally

1:25:30

write that it just I don't know My

1:25:32

fingers wanted him to be named green lead,

1:25:34

but you just don't like the song green

1:25:36

leaves I guess right but anyway green leaves.

1:25:39

Yeah green sleeves. Oh, yeah green sleeves Rename

1:25:42

it why not? She's

1:25:45

smoking green leaves, honey, honey. Okay

1:25:48

No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1:25:50

sorry. I'm trying to do country green

1:25:55

And it's not working someone out there

1:25:57

could do it. I know it can

1:25:59

it may be you dear listener listening

1:26:01

to this right now, maybe you. Do

1:26:03

you do a good Venus 6Travaganza impression

1:26:05

that's not problematic? Do you please give

1:26:07

me a cappella greensleeves? Yeah. Please.

1:26:11

All right, so Greenleaf, he

1:26:13

ends up writing two poems,

1:26:16

which include fictionalized characterizations of

1:26:18

Eunice Cole as a local

1:26:21

witch. So first one

1:26:23

is The Wreck of the Rivermouth, which was published

1:26:25

in 1857. The

1:26:27

second one involving Eunice is The Changeling

1:26:29

in 1891. So

1:26:32

Wreck of the Rivermouth is a reimagining

1:26:34

of an actual shipwreck that happened from

1:26:36

local history in 1657. It

1:26:40

killed eight people. And essentially

1:26:42

in that poem, Greenleaf casts Eunice as

1:26:44

a witch living in a shack by

1:26:46

the river that curses people as they

1:26:48

travel by. Sounds good to

1:26:50

me. Yeah, so I guess like a young woman sees her

1:26:53

traveling by, calls her ugly, and

1:26:55

then she curses them, they sink, but by

1:26:58

the end of the poem, she has a

1:27:00

bit of a character arc and she regrets

1:27:02

what she did. Okay. So that's good. And

1:27:04

then The Changeling from 1891 casts Eunice as

1:27:08

a witch who curses a young mother

1:27:10

and switches her baby up for like

1:27:12

a demon changeling. Classic witch mood. Not

1:27:15

very good PR though, like in terms

1:27:17

of one's legacy. No. So

1:27:19

that was that. And that did a lot to

1:27:21

influence opinions about Eunice Cole. And like for quite

1:27:23

a while, as people would remember her, this

1:27:26

would imbue said memory. The

1:27:28

next time Eunice would pop up in local lore though, would be

1:27:30

in the 20th century. When in

1:27:33

1908, a man from Hampton claimed that his

1:27:35

home, which was allegedly built on the former

1:27:37

site of Eunice Cole's hut, was

1:27:39

cursed as a result of the land's former

1:27:42

witchy tenant. Now he didn't want anything for

1:27:44

the story, no notoriety or anything. He just

1:27:46

wanted to put it out there. And it

1:27:48

seems that it kind of fizzled out after

1:27:50

that. Uh-huh. He did

1:27:52

say that maybe Goodie Cole was like

1:27:55

buried on the land to boot, but

1:27:57

it didn't really go anywhere. Now we're

1:27:59

going to fast forward. another three

1:28:01

decades or so because in 1937

1:28:04

Goodie Cole would pop up once

1:28:06

again in local newspapers when William

1:28:08

D. Cram from Haverhill, Massachusetts alleged

1:28:11

that there was a magic well on

1:28:13

the former site of her property which

1:28:16

he said was like a shack at

1:28:18

the willows on a sergeant's island. Okay.

1:28:20

This was pretty much debunked and overshadowed

1:28:22

though because in the same year Goodie

1:28:25

Cole would be back in the news but

1:28:27

in a much more sympathetic light. At

1:28:30

least locally. So in 1937 as the town of Hampton

1:28:32

was coming up on the 300 year anniversary of

1:28:37

stealing the land from indigenous people. T. Yeah which

1:28:39

would take place in August of 1938 I guess

1:28:42

a local group ended up getting formed

1:28:45

which is known to some as the

1:28:47

Goodie Cole Society and if you want

1:28:49

to get nasty it's the Society in

1:28:51

Hampton for the apprehension of those falsely

1:28:54

accusing Eunice Goodie Cole of having familiarity

1:28:56

with the devil. Oh my god. Right.

1:28:58

Say that 10 times fast you'll die

1:29:01

you won't be able to breathe or suffocate.

1:29:03

And that's why we call it the Goodie

1:29:05

Cole Society but anyway this group was created

1:29:07

and they were fixated on the redemption and

1:29:10

rehabilitation of Eunice's reputation coinciding with the 300

1:29:12

year anniversary. That is good news. Which was

1:29:14

organized of course by the Society in August

1:29:17

of 1938 at the 300 year anniversary which

1:29:23

was meant to officially clear

1:29:25

Eunice's name. At that

1:29:27

ceremony replica trial documents

1:29:30

were burnt in apology for the wrongs

1:29:32

committed against her. I love a symbolic

1:29:34

burning. Right. And you know of course

1:29:36

they kept the original ones for history

1:29:38

and posterity. Of course. But yeah the

1:29:40

replica gets burnt. They mixed up the

1:29:42

ashes with some soil from the land

1:29:44

of the former Cole Farm and they

1:29:46

actually put them together on display at

1:29:48

the aforementioned Tuck Museum where they have

1:29:50

information about Eunice Goodie Cole. Oh wow.

1:29:52

Right. They also made a ton of

1:29:54

memorabilia to commemorate the moment and to

1:29:56

commemorate Goodie as well as her freedom.

1:29:58

I guess they They made like a

1:30:01

doll and like a coin and stuff like

1:30:03

that. I want one. Right? From

1:30:05

what I understand, they're super rare though. I

1:30:07

imagine, probably. Yeah, and it

1:30:09

was voted that she would become a full

1:30:12

on Hampton citizen again. So she was actually

1:30:14

restored in the books in terms of her

1:30:16

name, her citizenship, and all that kind of

1:30:18

stuff. Albeit centuries late, but it was a

1:30:20

really nice gesture, especially for the 1930s. That's

1:30:24

what I was gonna say. You hear a lot

1:30:26

of that happening in modern day, but in the

1:30:28

1930s, that does feel like it's a little bit

1:30:30

ahead of the curve. Well, she was the only

1:30:32

woman to have been charged for witchcraft in New

1:30:34

Hampshire. So, you know, she kind of stuck out

1:30:36

like a sore thumb. Now, a few

1:30:38

decades later in the 1960s, ghost

1:30:41

sightings of Goodie Cole would start to

1:30:44

pop up. And there aren't a ton

1:30:46

of really substantial records of this, but

1:30:49

funny enough, the most

1:30:51

popular is of like

1:30:53

this cop that encountered an old woman in

1:30:56

a shawl walking around at night. And he

1:30:58

essentially like didn't realize who she was until

1:31:00

after he had told her to like, you

1:31:02

know, get home safely and watch out, walking

1:31:04

around alone at night. But then was like,

1:31:06

oh my God, I know who that was.

1:31:08

It was Goodie. Yeah, but you know, some

1:31:10

other locals have claimed to have encountered her

1:31:12

as well. So maybe if you go there,

1:31:14

you might run into her. One could be

1:31:16

so lucky. Say a good word for us.

1:31:18

Ask her if she's got a doll kicking

1:31:21

around, you know. Yeah, maybe ask her

1:31:23

about this magic well, because like what

1:31:25

makes this well so magical? Absolutely. Mm

1:31:27

hmm. Though honestly, if I could

1:31:29

speak with her ghost, I'd be like, girl,

1:31:31

where are you buried? Right. Oh my God,

1:31:33

that part. Now, speaking of the supposed burial

1:31:35

site, they did put a monument there in

1:31:37

1963, like a

1:31:39

big stone that's inscribed. Coincidentally, this

1:31:42

is also around the time that

1:31:44

the ghost sightings started to pop

1:31:46

up as well. That, yeah. Back

1:31:48

in public consciousness. A legend is

1:31:51

formed. Exactly. But with that being

1:31:53

said, to this day, nobody

1:31:55

has forgotten the name of Eunice

1:31:57

Goodie Cole. That's, you know what?

1:32:00

And all those other fuckers all those other people

1:32:02

that were fucking around with her and making her

1:32:04

life hell Nobody knows who

1:32:07

they are exactly nobody. Yeah, you're

1:32:09

no one exactly and you never

1:32:11

fucking will be so until something

1:32:13

more Dramatic takes place. That's all

1:32:16

I got on the life death

1:32:18

and legend of Eunice Goodie Cole

1:32:21

And now I just want to thank my sources Thank

1:32:24

you to Lane Memorial Library for Cole remember

1:32:26

it as Hamptons witch which was published by

1:32:28

Bruce Ingmyer on July 8th of 1988 Thank

1:32:32

you to Hampton Historical Society for their entry

1:32:34

on Eunice Goodie Cole authoring Data Unknown Thank

1:32:36

you to history of American women, which

1:32:39

was Published in February

1:32:41

of 2008. They have an entry on Eunice

1:32:43

Goodie Cole as well Thank you

1:32:45

to the Boston Sunday Post for society former

1:32:47

at Hampton or formed at Hampton Beach, New

1:32:49

Hampshire to apprehend those falsely accusing Goodie Cole

1:32:51

of being which I love how they make

1:32:53

it seem like it's happening in present times

1:32:57

Yeah, the accusers are still out there 300

1:32:59

years later, let's get them I love that

1:33:02

energy So that was published on October 3rd

1:33:04

of 1937. Thank you to Boston

1:33:06

Sunday Post as well for Hampton folks

1:33:08

Sorry ancestors condemned which published on March

1:33:10

13th of 1938 Thank

1:33:13

you to American weekly for poor old goodie

1:33:15

Cole cleansed of witchcraft after 300 years published

1:33:17

as well in 1938 Thank

1:33:20

you to Seacoast online or the Hampton Union

1:33:22

for the witch of Hampton the woman and

1:33:24

her legend published by Cheryl Lasseter on October

1:33:26

26th of 2015 I

1:33:28

believe Cheryl Lasseter also wrote about Goodie

1:33:31

Cole's legend in a book

1:33:33

or some sort of publication So

1:33:35

definitely check her out if you want,

1:33:37

you know, some more like local lore and

1:33:39

stuff like that Oh, yeah Thank you to

1:33:41

poetry nook calm for providing a copy of

1:33:43

the changeling by John Greenleaf Whittier as well

1:33:45

as tell a lib for the

1:33:47

wreck of Rivermouth by John Greenleaf

1:33:50

Whittier both are out there and you can

1:33:52

read them in their entirety because they're public

1:33:54

domain and Finally, thank you

1:33:56

to Atlas Obscura for Eunice Goodie

1:33:58

Cole memorial stone like info on

1:34:00

the present day memorial. It was published

1:34:03

by Craig Robert Brown originally on October

1:34:05

21st of 2011. All

1:34:09

right. Thank you,

1:34:11

Johnny. Girl, you are welcome. I imagine like

1:34:13

her story must just kind of get shadowed

1:34:15

by like the Salem witch trials, you know

1:34:17

what I mean? I've never heard of Goodie

1:34:19

Cole before, but I'm glad that I know

1:34:21

all about her now. And now you know,

1:34:24

and like I said, if you're ever in

1:34:26

Hampton, you might run into her. Yeah. Just

1:34:28

saying. Anyway, do you want to move on?

1:34:30

Let's do it. Beautiful. So I'm

1:34:32

looking at you, you're looking at me. I got

1:34:34

one question in my mind. What did you learn

1:34:36

today? Today I learned based on your piece of

1:34:39

spooky gay bullshit that it is never

1:34:41

too late. You are

1:34:43

a queer person out there and you're still trying to figure out

1:34:45

who you are. It doesn't matter if you're 20, it doesn't matter

1:34:47

if you're 30, it doesn't matter if you're 60, it's

1:34:50

never too late to be true with

1:34:52

yourself and to be who you want

1:34:54

to be. Not even who you want

1:34:56

to be to be who you are.

1:34:58

Absolutely. I love that. And I

1:35:00

mean, I was going to say a very

1:35:02

similar thing in relation to your story about

1:35:04

closeting and stuff like that. Yeah. Even

1:35:06

if you thought you were completely straight and then you realize

1:35:09

you're not, don't be afraid to tell your partner. That's

1:35:11

it. Things change. Maybe your partner is

1:35:13

not completely straight. Yeah. Things are changing.

1:35:15

People are learning so much new language

1:35:17

and just about like the nuance that

1:35:20

comes with living. Yeah. And

1:35:22

like, yeah, there are so many instances where

1:35:25

people's like genders are no longer lining up

1:35:27

with the expression that they have, et cetera,

1:35:29

or their sexualities aren't lining up with their

1:35:31

expression. And like, that is okay. We

1:35:35

are all works in progress. That's

1:35:37

the T. We're not done until

1:35:39

we are done. Exactly. So yeah,

1:35:42

that's what I learned today. All right. Want to read

1:35:44

a review now? Beautiful. So

1:35:46

I've got one here from a listener on Spotify

1:35:49

and their name is Goblin. Oh,

1:35:51

I love that. But not the

1:35:53

same Goblin who wrote and performed

1:35:55

the iconic soundtrack of the movie,

1:35:57

Suspiria. Oh yeah. That's true. I

1:35:59

wish. a good soundtrack. We got

1:36:01

it on vinyl. It's awesome. Okay.

1:36:04

Hello, lovely people. Goblin says, I

1:36:06

love this podcast. It fills the

1:36:08

void in my little ADHD brain

1:36:10

that needs constant stimulation. I

1:36:13

listen at work in the car and doing

1:36:15

other daily tasks during those times. I hear

1:36:17

you too, giving me the spooky gay bullshit.

1:36:20

I never knew I needed a lover of

1:36:22

true crime and the spooky. So other podcasts

1:36:24

or shows are boring. You too can be

1:36:26

entertained for hours while

1:36:28

being kind and serious about more

1:36:31

sensitive topics. Also, oddly listening to

1:36:33

episodes during the pandemic in our

1:36:35

year 2024 is trippy. Yeah, I

1:36:37

imagine. Yeah. They said they're currently

1:36:39

on episode 128 as they're reading

1:36:41

that. Thank you for

1:36:44

keeping me going at my new

1:36:46

job with lots of love. Goblin.

1:36:48

Oh, thank you, Goblin. I know

1:36:50

what she's been going to go,

1:36:52

don't we all? Which is our

1:36:54

podcast. Thank you. Absolutely. Yes, actually.

1:36:57

And oh, Goblin also sent some pet photos.

1:36:59

Oh, no way. Oh, yes way. Oh, where are

1:37:01

the goods? Where are the at the bottom of

1:37:03

the email? They said some of these animals are

1:37:05

not mine. I guess we won't share them in

1:37:08

that case though. But thank you for supplying the

1:37:10

goods. Is that an old English sheepdog? Shaved down?

1:37:12

It kind of looks like one. You

1:37:14

know what, Goblin? If you're listening, let us

1:37:16

know. They're very cute and black cute cat,

1:37:18

but none of you will ever

1:37:20

know what they truly look like. Yeah, that's for

1:37:23

us to know. I'll never tell. But

1:37:26

look, if you want to be just like our good Judy

1:37:28

Goblin and you want to send us a sweet little review

1:37:31

on whatever podcast app you're listening to us on or

1:37:33

in the email, if you're listening to us on an

1:37:35

app or you can't leave your rating and review, you

1:37:37

should do so because leaving reviews is a really

1:37:39

great way to support the show. It's completely free.

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