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Welcome to The Almanac of Rap, the

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show that asks all the right questions.

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I'm your host Don Will, and

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today's episode is unlike any of the others

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that you've heard from us. Why? Because

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it's a recording of our first ever live event. This

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episode is from the Almanac of Rap questions

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tour that I recently did with

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one of my favorite podcasts, The Questions,

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hosted by Sean Kantrowicz. Our

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guests for the evening were Jeff and Eric Rosenthal of

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It's The Real and their award winning podcast,

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The Blog Era. It's

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a fun episode that's part trivia, part

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interview, and a whole lot of fun. And

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yes, I just said fun twice,

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but I don't feel like redoing it, so we're gonna

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let it rock. I'll keep this intro short

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because it's a pretty long episode, but

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the show notes are now over at donwill.substack.com,

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and if that's too hard to remember, the link is in the

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show description. Over on the sub stack, you'll

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find music recommendations and personal updates

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as well. All this and more delivered

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to subscribe, but you can pay as well. Alright, enough

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with the housekeeping, let's get on with the episode.

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Oh, should we just... The big red button, you

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know, why not? Should we actually start? We might

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wanna do that. Maybe

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we'll give it a proper, you know, proper top

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and tail or whatever they call it here. But again, this

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is an interactive trivia game. If

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you go to the website that

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we have written here on the sandwich board, it

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is crowd.live slash

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bwqueens. You

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can play along with

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this game, and we're gonna have some prizes, and we're

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gonna...

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I mean, the ultimate prize is that

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we're all here, and that we're gonna

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nerd out on some rap shit tonight. So

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yeah, let's...

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We didn't really talk about how we were gonna start these

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things, did we? We did. This is an amateur... Well...

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Not an amateur thing. I'm gonna introduce

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my co-host here. He is...

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is the host of the

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award winning, Webby award winning, Almanac

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of Rap podcast. Awards don't

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mean shit. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

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Awards don't mean shit. Feeling like

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a real underachiever here, the only non-award

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winning podcast host on

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the stage tonight. But you know what? We

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don't know what the future is going to bring. He's

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a member of the rap group Tanya

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Morgan. He's a DJ. He's a funny

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guy. He's a hip hop brainiac.

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Make some noise for Don Will.

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Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you,

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thank you, thank you. And

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my co-host, my second host,

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the second host is the host

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of The Questions. And as you

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can see in front of us, you can't see in Radio

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Land, he has a published board game,

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The Questions. You can buy it

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as a stock of stuff or just as a table treat,

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you know what I'm saying?

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Make some noise for Sean Cantrowich all

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the way from LA. And

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boy are my arms tired. And

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we are joined here tonight

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by two, I would say, definitely

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pioneers in the space of podcasting.

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You can give me notes on that if you disagree.

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Don's breaking stuff already. From

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a waste of time to the

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video sketches that you guys have done,

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you are recording artists and recent

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award winners for your fantastic

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limited series podcast, the blog era,

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produced in conjunction with Pharrell Williams'

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other tone, Jeff and Eric

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Rosenthal of It's the Real. Hey. Hey.

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Hey. Hey. Hey. Phew, phew,

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phew, phew, phew. Four top

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signal award winners. Let's

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go. Is it like

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four categories? Or what are the

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four? Four categories. One was

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like arts, culture, and like lifestyle,

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right? And the other one was documentary.

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And then we got two listeners awards, which

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I think matter more. The people. Yeah.

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But I mean, I just want to clarify, arts, culture,

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That's like one category with three you

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guys are seven time award winner There's

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two of them so really they're 14 time This

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is making Sean look really really bad

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right now You

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know we're so happy to be here at beer wax Queens

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is a beautiful location shout to Chris

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maestro for setting So

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appreciative and so super appreciate

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for all of you who came out tonight on

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a Thursday night going up on a Thursday So

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you know this is gonna be a hybrid of

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both the almanac of rap and the questions

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Yes, and we're gonna get into it. You know

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here. We are In such an

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interesting time in the podcast and

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hip-hop space and you guys just did

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this incredible series Can you tell

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us a little bit like you guys

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have obviously been creating content for a while?

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Yeah, what was the seed for

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the blog era specifically well?

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I don't know if anybody has logged

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into not right calm or

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miss info TV or any of the Hundreds

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of blogs that do not exist anymore,

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but we recognize that there was you know

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this this period of time That was

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clearly still running things Drake

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J Cole Wale

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on and on and on Nicki Minaj

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and and currency and whiz All

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these artists are still around 15 years after they

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started But the places

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that really put them on were not and

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there were a whole lot of people out

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there who had no idea How

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these superstars ever made it to

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with the stage of like you know selling out

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mass in square garden for eight shows in a row Yeah,

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and also I mean like it's such a meaty story that

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Involved race and involved Capitalism

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and involved these big questions

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and about the American dream and that scene

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that snatched away Like our

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bills and then snatched away like we

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just just felt like it was a story worth telling and

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that nobody could tell like we could. Yeah, so

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we had the access, like you said, we've been around

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for, at this point, 16 years, but

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let's say 13 years in 2020, and

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we were like, all right,

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let's reach out to people. Sean,

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you know what it's like, everyone's at home, they're

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stuck and they're waiting

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on a phone call. And we were like, cool,

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let's call 150 people and

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let's really break down in these

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four hour conversations what

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the journey, what the arc was like. We

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got a six by four

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bulletin board from Staples and

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filled it up in these giant

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episode rectangles and

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just went through and told the story and

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worked on it quietly. Like we

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didn't let anybody know what we were doing because we

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had this weekly podcast and all of a sudden we

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didn't. I did see you guys taking road

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trips. Yes, I did. Was that part of what this

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was,

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the road trips, was that part of it? No.

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Absolutely not. I mean, some people just like to enjoy

7:05

the open road of this fine country, John. Honestly,

7:08

like the road trip was like, let's get the hell

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out of our apartment. Okay, okay. It was also

7:12

that currency who has promised us this

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Rockefeller chain for 15 years. Suddenly

7:18

one day was like, hey, if you come down to New Orleans, like

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I'll get it, I'll take it out of a drawer and give it to you.

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And we were like, great, we'll see you in a week. Called

7:26

his bluff, right there. And at

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the time no one was flying on

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any airlines.

7:31

It cost $50 to get to Dallas

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on Delta. And we're like, okay,

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let's go. And then we rented a car and

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we drove 18 days through 10 cities

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and videotaped ourselves

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the whole way. But so in having four

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hour conversations with 150 people, that's

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a lot of conversations. I'm

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sure something was left on the cutting room floor.

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So much. Was there one particular

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story or thing that you wish you could have

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put into the episode? Yeah,

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there's episodes. There's, there's.

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Okay, we covered a lot of ground. We

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called it the blog era. It

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comes across as a definitive project

8:09

about this time. There's so much that didn't

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make it. There's so many websites that we didn't

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talk about. There's so many artists that we didn't cover.

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There's so many areas that

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were very meaningful to the creation

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and cultivation of this time. So we

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didn't get to everything. But

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I think one of the things that we really

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focused a lot on that was a very late

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scratch was the Lower East Side

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and really getting into all those

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skate shops and all those sneaker stores

8:39

and the vibe that came out of streetwear.

8:41

So when you're talking about what

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are some of the brands? What

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was the shop that Chase Infinite had?

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Oh, yeah.

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I can picture it. Black Scale

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was it Black Scale? He did have Black Scale.

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Was it? Yeah. It carried a bunch of retailers.

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But I remember I went down

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there and ASAP Rocky and Bun B were both

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in the store. That was just

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really regular. So that Lower East Side

9:09

thing was amazing. There was a bench

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that got

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really famous and a lot of people just sat there and

9:16

the New York Post covered it and it became a

9:18

thing. There's a big, big

9:20

scene that happened on the Lower East Side in terms of transitioning

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from big baggy

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clothes, this down south

9:27

attitude to all

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of a sudden, we're going to start wearing

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skinny jeans, we're going to wear all over prints,

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we're going to really switch this up.

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And then I would say, so there's

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a reason why money doesn't

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enter the hip hop internet for 15 years

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and that's because there was a bubble back in the 2000s. And

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so you had a

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lot of people just completely take baths.

9:52

You know, Katie, Russell Simmons,

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just a lot of people who lost millions of dollars

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on the internet and so that's why you get

9:59

the Nara. and all these people who start independently

10:03

starting their websites. Wow.

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Yeah. Yeah. I

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didn't know. Super fascinating. So if you, anybody

10:10

listening to this, if you haven't, you know, you can, it's available

10:12

everywhere. It's a tight 10 episodes,

10:14

right? 10 and a half. 10 and a half,

10:16

yeah. Yeah. 14 awards. Yeah. 14

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awards. You do the math, you can

10:21

do the division every award. Well,

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no, I'm not going to try to do the mental math right there, but trust me,

10:25

it all works out. It's very calculated.

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So we're going to do some hip hop trivia. We're going to do some discussions.

10:32

We've got a lot of topic points that

10:34

we think that you guys are going to want to, you know, explore

10:36

with us. This is the nerdy, you are all

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in the nerdiest place that you could be right

10:40

now. When I walked in, I knew. You

10:45

felt the vibe. My question,

10:47

the first question that I have before we start is,

10:49

are we, is this a house divided?

10:52

Are we going to have the Rosenthal's square off

10:54

against each other or are you a team? Fuck it.

10:56

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

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somebody wants to get the 15th award tonight. That's

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right. Yeah.

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We'll keep it tally then.

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So we

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did these sketches. We started our career in 2007. We did these

11:11

YouTube sketches. So every

11:13

week, you know, we're shooting and this was a lot.

11:16

It was a lot to do, it was a lot to think

11:18

of. You wanted to make it fresh, whatever. So you worked all

11:20

week to put out a three and a half or four minute video,

11:22

right? And I remember

11:25

like almost immediately all

11:28

these rappers, Bunby and Clips

11:30

and Cameron

11:32

and on and on, wanted to be a

11:35

part of this thing. And one

11:37

of the people who reached out to work

11:39

with us was a manager

11:41

for Joel Ortiz. And

11:44

he got such a

11:47

kick out of the fact that when

11:49

Jeff and I went down to Brooklyn

11:51

to shoot this sketch with

11:54

Joel,

11:55

that while they were working on some music,

11:57

Jeff and I were out in the hallway.

11:59

at each other like just about the creative

12:02

vision for this little video that like you

12:04

know however many people would see it but we were screaming

12:07

our heads out like thinking that no one else is gonna hear

12:09

us and this guy Mike who managed

12:11

your LRTs at the time comes down he was like that

12:14

is what's gonna sell he was like you guys hating each

12:17

other that's it and we're like yeah

12:19

like to dedicate

12:22

this game tonight to Mike he knew what was up and

12:24

out I have to ask one

12:27

question for the game start yeah so like that that

12:29

vision of you two yelling each other in the hallway yep it

12:32

made me wonder is that like the

12:34

relationship has that been the whole time

12:36

when you guys were kids is it just like no yeah no I

12:39

mean like we we obviously get

12:41

a get see we get along better than

12:43

we fight I think yeah yeah yeah

12:46

I'm gonna hang out with that Mike guy he's a bad influence

12:49

I wasn't even really I wasn't saying do you

12:51

guys fight it up but just like the like

12:53

have you guys been imagining together

12:55

your whole life like yeah been creative

12:58

partners for yeah like we would we would

13:00

be down like building worlds in our parents

13:02

basements like for hours

13:04

and hours on end and and yeah we created

13:07

videos long long

13:09

long before we even like had a

13:11

place to show them like YouTube so which

13:13

the real was never like the vision

13:16

nope like it was Eric was working

13:18

as a videographer for all these big artists and

13:20

then I was in college and

13:22

I want to be a writer for Rolling Stone and then like

13:25

those two visions

13:27

just like happened to align yeah listen

13:30

we we grew up loving hip-hop

13:32

in all the ways that an outsider could

13:34

you know 30 minutes north in New York City and

13:36

we created a way

13:39

to let our voices matter

13:41

in a way that just hadn't before

13:44

and you know it in

13:46

itself was an interesting sort of intersection

13:49

where like technology allowed us to have an audience

13:52

and let our voice like ring true and we

13:54

gained a big audience and that's from again

13:57

artists like cam and bond and clips

13:59

and all that to people

14:01

that would stop us on the street and be like, wow,

14:04

you guys are really like doing something. Like,

14:06

we were at SOBs. I don't know the first time that you

14:08

ever went to SOBs, but it was huge

14:10

for us. We moved down to the city. It's 2007.

14:14

We're invited to a CMJ week. Remember CMJ?

14:16

I remember CMJ long... I

14:19

miss CMJ so much. Yeah, CMJ

14:22

was a college music journal and it was a big

14:24

festival around the city. And so they would

14:26

turn restaurants and actual

14:29

music venues and

14:31

closets into places where artists could

14:33

perform. And maybe some

14:35

journalist is going to come and be like, you know what?

14:37

Don Will, he's next up.

14:40

That was it. That was literally what was going

14:42

through my mind. Truly. And

14:45

we went and we saw one

14:47

night, it was... Mickey Fax, Asher

14:50

Roth... No, no, no. It was Wiz,

14:53

Mickey... And Charles Hamilton. And Charles

14:55

Hamilton. And there was like no one in

14:57

the audience, right? It was like three people. One

14:59

of them was Paul Cancer from XXL. And

15:02

we were just like, wow, this is incredible. Anyway. So

15:07

we are invited to a showcase

15:09

at SOBs that Mark Ronson was doing

15:11

for his label called Alito. And

15:13

Wale was one of the headline

15:17

acts and they had UCB performing

15:19

with him. And we're led

15:21

into SOBs and it is super packed

15:23

out. And it's just smokey

15:26

and all the lights are just going around.

15:29

And it's just everything that we thought New York City

15:31

was, right? And out

15:33

of the blue walks DJ Green

15:35

Lantern, one of our heroes. And

15:38

because we grew up listening to Dot97 all the time

15:41

and all the Mixmaster weekends. And Green

15:43

was just so inventive and so different and

15:45

so epic. And we just couldn't

15:48

imagine what this guy was like

15:50

and all of a sudden he walks up to us and he was like,

15:52

Hey,

15:53

I really fuck with your videos. Keep

15:56

your foot down and don't let up. And

15:59

then he disappeared. And we're like what

16:01

the fuck is New York like this place is like incredible,

16:04

right? Yeah,

16:06

yeah, exactly it was incredible Well,

16:09

you know inspiring story you

16:11

guys made it together, but tonight it

16:14

is a Rosenthal bloodbath. So we're gonna take

16:16

all those feelings Separate them.

16:18

Yeah. Well, I mean like both of us I think

16:21

are pretty just like determined that we're

16:23

both gonna not be good at this. Oh good Yeah,

16:25

and so like it's about who loses less

16:28

worse No, the loser actually

16:30

wins is what you're saying. Oh loser

16:32

who loses the least. No. Yes

16:35

Yeah, something. All right So if

16:37

you're all here and you want to play along this the last

16:39

call go to the website written on the board

16:41

here It's crowd live slash

16:43

BW Queen. So we're gonna get this started

16:46

with a test question just to make sure

16:48

that Everybody's phones are working.

16:50

So we're gonna get into

16:52

this and just rank your hip-hop trivia skills.

16:55

Are you a rap encyclopedia? I

16:57

know a bit but I'm not a nerd. I'm a real casual

17:00

listener or hip-hop I thought this was a former

17:02

farmers almanac meetup. So Everybody

17:05

see that on your phone. So everybody good. Yeah,

17:08

awesome. Okay, right Okay,

17:11

and we're getting these votes in and we can see how you all

17:13

vote too, by the way, so

17:16

Everybody is ready to go. Donna you

17:19

ready to do this? I'm ready the

17:21

almanac of rap questions, baby with

17:23

it's the real we're gonna get into our first round

17:25

in the first round Is our multiple choice. It

17:27

is called the choice is yours

17:33

These are general multiple choice questions

17:39

And here we go Which

17:45

of these Kanye West albums with

17:47

the last to feature good music act

17:50

GLC was it the college

17:53

dropout? late registration

17:56

Graduation or Yeezus

17:58

get those answers in folks folks,

18:02

you know that we had to touch on

18:04

the good music era with our guests

18:06

who are here. Absolutely. The bad

18:08

business is not touching on good music. I

18:11

mean Kanye has never been associated with bad

18:13

business. Never. Couldn't

18:16

do that. Get those answers

18:18

in folks because we do have

18:20

a time. Our time is now up.

18:24

It's the real Jeff and Eric. Yeah. I

18:28

sort of want to be part of a team

18:30

suddenly. Also

18:34

my time ran out. Time ran

18:36

out. Okay. So see

18:39

you guys are both, you are both losing right now.

18:41

You're doing great. As promised. I

18:43

put in late registration. You

18:46

put in late registration. I'd also like to say I was

18:48

Kanye's videographer so I really

18:51

do appreciate the you know sort of

18:53

connection here. Wait, what was his last anti-Semitic

18:56

outfit? Yeah.

18:58

Is that A, the college dropout, the

19:00

new late registration? I mean if you really

19:03

dig for it I'm sure you can find something in all of

19:05

them right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. No,

19:07

Eric, trust me we're crafting

19:09

this game for you. No, no, no, I

19:11

believe it. I just want to like let the people know how

19:13

disappointing it's going to be when I lose worse

19:16

than Jeff. Yeah, yeah. Well, we

19:18

got a bunch of answers then and we're going to reveal

19:20

what that answer was. The answer was

19:23

his second album, Late Registration.

19:26

Yes.

19:36

Here's another interesting

19:40

tidbit. Tonight

19:42

is actually the 13th anniversary

19:45

of GLC's first and only album.

19:48

Wow. One that I can't

19:50

say that I know super well. I don't know if, did

19:52

that get a lot of burn for you guys? No. Yeah.

19:57

Are we doing this tonight because of him? They're

20:00

an American film, a TLC! That's

20:03

an invited guest. Remember

20:05

when there used to be, I mean they probably still do this, but

20:07

when they would have like nice

20:09

clubs and they would list on the flyer the

20:11

invited guests? Oh yeah. The guests

20:14

of honor like... Yeah. Do they still do that?

20:16

I'm so removed. Yes, because Jeff

20:18

and I were invited guests on a

20:21

boat. Yeah, went

20:23

around New York City and there were like a million

20:25

people. It was just like invited guests and

20:27

like they meant nothing. By the way, I

20:30

hate boats. Boats suck. Yeah,

20:32

thank you. The last time I was on a boat was...

20:36

Combat Jack was hosting a party on

20:38

a boat. How'd it go? I

20:40

was there when they broke the ceiling. Oh yeah, yeah. That's

20:43

the one. We were invited guests. It

20:45

was a good time. I never went back on a

20:47

boat. That was it. You

20:49

were happy to decline it. I was on a boat once

20:52

at South by Southwest. This is the oddest. It

20:54

was my friends and roommates at the time,

20:57

so low-equips of sound, who were this like experimental

21:00

hip-hop group from Orlando, Florida. Blueprint

21:03

from Rhyme Sayers, Soul Position, and Kill

21:05

a Priest. We were on a lake in Austin,

21:07

Texas, just sort of like aimlessly

21:10

circling. Probably the last time

21:12

I was on a boat, actually. Yeah, all right. Real

21:14

quick question. Yeah. Real quick

21:16

story. Okay, Jeff and I

21:18

were invited guests at

21:20

a club during Grammy week when it was here

21:22

in New York. This has to be like five years

21:25

ago.

21:27

We're on this couch at this

21:29

club. We're like hosts or something, right?

21:32

All of a sudden, I'm checking Twitter because that's

21:34

what you do when you're at a club. Now

21:36

known as X. Yeah. Somebody

21:39

added us and was like, did I really

21:41

just hear your song, Waco, on Fits

21:43

a Night Show? I was just like, I don't

21:45

think so. We weren't there. Then

21:48

he sent a video. So I'm at the

21:50

club with my phone really

21:54

struggling to find out what this is. The

21:57

Roots

21:57

played our music for a guy who was on

21:59

a show. on NBC called Waco. And

22:02

so I'm just like,

22:03

the Roots are in town,

22:05

and they were doing their jam, their Grammy

22:07

week jam at Irving

22:10

Plaza or whatever, right? Or Webster

22:12

Hall or one of those. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, okay.

22:14

Yeah, Webster Hall. I was like, Jeff, we

22:17

have to leave. So we ran out of that club,

22:20

went over to Gramercy, and

22:23

we went downstairs and we're hanging out, we're waiting to see

22:25

Amir to be like, yo, thank you. That

22:28

was so thoughtful and incredible and

22:30

mind-blowing. And while we were there, YouGod,

22:33

who we don't know,

22:35

and his manager come up to us and they

22:37

have a new book out, and we're like,

22:39

oh, okay, nice to meet you. I

22:42

was there this night, I remember. And

22:44

so YouGod, by the way, we don't know

22:46

YouGod, YouGod doesn't know us. And

22:49

his manager came up and he was like, these legends.

22:52

He was like, guys, I have one

22:54

last copy of YouGod's book, which is coming out next

22:57

week,

22:58

and I wanna give it to you. And YouGod

23:00

was like,

23:00

do not give it to these guys. Like, what are you thinking, right?

23:04

And so we were like, yeah, do not

23:06

give us the book. Like, congratulations, you

23:08

know. Yeah, but also we didn't wanna carry

23:11

it around through New York. Like, it's like, it's

23:13

fine. You don't have to do this, but it was very

23:15

much foisted upon us. And so we're

23:17

holding this book for the rest of our night,

23:19

right, so we're standing there waiting for Amir, and

23:21

we're like, yo, Amir, here. Like,

23:24

thank you so much, right? And then we went

23:26

up and we watched them play and we're standing in the

23:28

audience, like we just got out of class,

23:30

like holding YouGod's book next

23:33

to YouGod, who is very much not happy that

23:35

we had that last copy. I have one last

23:37

reveal here, and this is the most perhaps

23:39

masturbatory inside baseball

23:42

podcast that has ever existed. I

23:44

am, okay, so as

23:46

some background, on OK Player,

23:49

on the message boards, we're all aware of them,

23:51

I was a devotee of that message

23:54

board, and when The Roots took the Tonight Show,

23:57

Amir started a thread in which

23:59

he would reveal who the guests were going to

24:01

be. And he would consult with

24:03

a group of about five to 10

24:05

of us, including myself, to suggest

24:08

walk-ons. And I would have to check

24:10

a long-forgotten Google

24:13

Drive sheet, but I am 75% sure

24:17

that I may have suggested Waco for

24:19

them to fly. Wow. Oh, my god. Let's

24:21

pray, pray, pray, pray. Wow.

24:24

Do we have a book for you? Is

24:27

it by one of my favorite Wuking members?

24:31

You guys. He just walked

24:33

in holding the book. That's incredible. Yeah.

24:36

Thank you. I'm sure

24:38

that it was an amazing moment. And yeah,

24:40

I just can't believe it. When you said that, I was

24:42

like, oh, my god. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah,

24:44

it's been therapy. You

24:48

can't hear this if you're listening at home, but we're all laying

24:50

on couches right now, just sort of staring

24:52

up at the ceiling. We're going to move

24:54

on to the next question in our round. So

24:57

check your phones. Make sure that you're. We're

24:59

going to count that as a point for Jeff. No

25:01

point for Eric. That's right. OK, so one

25:03

point, Jeff. Rockefeller

25:06

Records catalog features solo

25:08

albums by members from all of these groups

25:10

except for one of them. Is it the diplomats,

25:13

the locks, MOP, or

25:15

state property? I have sent my answer.

25:18

He has sent his answer. Everybody else is getting

25:20

them in. You got 15 seconds left. Get them in,

25:22

get them in, get them in. Of

25:25

course, we had to show some love to the rock as

25:28

well, because I know that that's another. Yeah,

25:30

you guys have done amazing work behind the rock.

25:32

Thank you very much.

25:34

But let's see what the answer was. Jeff,

25:37

what is your answer? I said be the

25:39

locks. You said be the locks. Eric,

25:42

what is your answer? OK, I also said be the locks, and then

25:44

I read the rest of the answers. And I was like, I realized

25:46

why I was wrong, but

25:48

we'll

25:50

get to that. About 50% of

25:52

our audience got this one correct. So diplomatic

25:55

community, Juel Santana, they all

25:57

dropped albums. Cameron, you know. the

26:00

Rock. Yeah. State property obviously

26:02

we had Beanie Seagull, Three Way,

26:04

you know, Young Guns. Jada

26:07

Kiss actually put out the last kiss through

26:10

Rock of Fella Records which means that the correct

26:12

answer was MOP. Oh

26:15

yeah. It's

26:26

hard not to play that whole song. See

26:28

I rate it as solo members by,

26:30

er, also, solo albums by

26:33

all members so that's the problem.

26:36

So you're blaming the writer of these questions. No,

26:38

no, no. It's written correctly. I

26:40

definitely read it right. Sean got our song on The

26:42

Tonight Show. Yeah, you owe me man. Yeah,

26:45

so that's the point for Sean. That is the point for Sean.

26:47

Also,

26:49

we were, we were with the locks

26:52

two weeks ago, yeah, up in Westchester and

26:54

Jada was like, hey did you ever get the Rock of Fella

26:56

chain from Current's name? We're like, we did not. And

26:59

he was like, you know, they owe me one too. So I really

27:02

like,

27:03

I hit this because I was so happy to see their name and then

27:05

I was just like, nope, I know I'm wrong. Well, and

27:07

you should be happy as well because you guys have

27:10

such a special relationship with the locks

27:12

with your, one of your many other

27:14

projects where you review films.

27:16

What was the last film that you guys reviewed? Almost

27:19

Famous. Yeah. And the locks.

27:22

What is Almost Famous? I feel like I know this. Almost

27:24

Famous was the story about

27:26

the, really the Rolling Stone writer. Cameron

27:29

Crowe. Yeah, it was like a period,

27:32

a period piece thing. Correct. And it is. Isn't

27:34

everything a period piece? Wow.

27:37

Period. It's a fantastic

27:40

movie. It was

27:42

great to watch it with them. We do have plans for more

27:44

episodes. We really try to like make this happen

27:47

with everyone. We should do a podcast with MOP.

27:49

Should have, probably

27:51

be easier. I got it. What's,

27:55

not barely the other guy. Why am

27:57

I banking on the names?

27:59

From MOP? Yes. It's Billy

28:01

and Lil Fame. Lil

28:03

Fame. Last time I saw Fame,

28:06

my friend Carlos, shout out to Classic Material,

28:08

took me to their studio and I

28:11

walk in and Fame immediately starts

28:13

roasting me. He was like, you

28:15

got this poodle here and look at nigga over here with

28:17

you. Wow. And

28:20

it was just like, ha ha, okay, I'm being

28:22

roasted by, like, what do you do? Especially

28:25

with a member of MLP. Yeah, I'm like, you're

28:27

right, can I have some Hennessy, please? By

28:30

the way, he didn't even put out his solo album with

28:32

the Rockefellas, so it's like... Exactly,

28:35

exactly. So who's got the last laugh now?

28:37

That's right, that's right. It's like when you have a bad

28:39

interaction with somebody and then later on when you get home, you realize

28:41

what you should have said to him, you're gonna like have this in your

28:43

head. So like, when the next time you see him out, he's gonna be

28:45

at a restaurant with his family dining, just gonna

28:47

run over, but you didn't even drop an album on the rock. By

28:51

the way, I was so happy today that

28:53

Don Will put up the video

28:56

of his actual Webby award. It's

28:59

been so long since you received it. Thank

29:01

you. There was such an excitement around it and it was well

29:03

deserved, but to see you actually like

29:05

holding the award is really awesome. I literally

29:08

forgot that I had that... I

29:10

take pictures of stuff and just put my

29:12

phone away.

29:13

And I was like, what can I do to post

29:16

about this? And I'm like, oh, you have a Webby award. They

29:18

have Signal Awards. Did they

29:20

send you the actual award or did you get to pick it up from somewhere?

29:22

They sent it to me. That's awesome. I got

29:25

a whole unboxing video. I just never

29:27

posted it. It's great content. It is.

29:29

I'm bad at content. Well,

29:31

Sean's even worse. He doesn't even have a Webby. I don't

29:33

have anything. This is a 15

29:36

time award winning podcast by Effecta and I'm

29:38

contributing nothing. I'm

29:40

dead weight. They're just like, yeah, that's

29:43

nice. A little card game. That's amazing. You

29:46

don't got the bling, son. The bling.

29:48

It's just a slinky. It's fine. Yeah, but

29:50

it's a cool, it's a limited slinky. Isn't everything

29:53

kind of stupid when you think about it? Everything

29:55

is stupid. Yeah. Awards don't matter.

29:57

Yeah. Awards don't matter. And every. Every,

30:01

what was the thing you said earlier? Every something

30:03

is a, it reminded me of every

30:05

photo is a throwback photo. That's

30:07

what I said, every throwback photo. Every

30:09

film is a period piece. Every film is a period piece.

30:12

Did you guys introduce

30:15

Almost Famous to the Locks or were you guys both reviewing

30:17

it together? I think that some

30:19

of them had seen it. Is that true? Maybe

30:21

Styles? Yeah, look, every

30:24

member of the Locks claims that they've watched every

30:26

movie, but... She

30:29

asked for it. Oh, that's right. Which

30:31

was a total surprise because Sheik only likes like Family

30:33

Guy. You're

30:36

getting nuggets here that you won't get anywhere else.

30:39

Like the Locks television and film

30:41

preference. We're going to keep it moving to

30:43

the next question in our first round. Here

30:45

we go. In a 2005 Hot 97 interview,

30:48

the Locks, speaking of the Locks, their

30:50

member, Jana Kiss, threatened to drop this

30:52

on Diddy from a rooftop. Was it a brick,

30:55

a penny, a refrigerator, or

30:57

a toaster? Get those answers in. You got 15

31:00

seconds. One of my favorite pieces

31:02

of media of all time. Yeah, pretty incredible.

31:05

You want to talk about content. This is like... Yeah,

31:07

content. You go to Hot 97 and threaten

31:10

people with appliances. Or

31:12

bricks or pennies. Or brick or pennies. Yeah,

31:15

yeah, yeah. You never know. Open to

31:17

whatever it is. One time our mom had moved

31:19

up from North Carolina and she

31:22

was just like trying to get rid of some stuff. And

31:25

so she gave... she gifted us

31:27

a toaster. She lives outside of Times

31:30

Square. And so she

31:32

gifted me this toaster. It

31:35

was right during... there was like

31:37

peak police presence in Times Square.

31:40

So I was walking through Times Square

31:42

with this fucking toaster. And

31:45

I definitely thought that the cops were going to

31:48

search my bag and do this whole thing. But thankfully

31:51

I got it home. The answer is not the toaster, by the way. The

31:54

answer is not the toaster, but I wish it was. There's the

31:56

red herring there. Everybody

31:58

was like, oh shit, he's talking about... toasters a

32:01

lot. What was the answer gentlemen? A

32:04

refrigerator. A refrigerator. A refrigerator.

32:06

And 100% was a refrigerator. What

32:09

a classic moment and you know in

32:11

all of the retellings of hip hop for this year,

32:13

hip hop 50, I don't know if the refrigerator

32:15

threatening drop got proper

32:18

due. By the way, didn't Mob

32:20

Deep also threaten to throw refrigerators

32:23

at somebody? They threatened to throw a TV at you.

32:25

He wanted to throw a

32:27

TV at you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would throw a TV.

32:30

Listen, this was more flat screen

32:32

so I think it was like a fat TV.

32:35

Threatening to throw a refrigerator

32:38

off is not the most original idea but Jada

32:40

said it louder and it was on Angie Martinez's

32:43

show. Yeah, it was such like

32:45

a serious, like the room was going

32:47

wild. Fucking Styles

32:50

was yelling, Sheik was shaking

32:53

and Jada just waited like, and just was like,

32:56

no man. No

32:59

man. Sometimes a

33:01

double door refrigerate. Double

33:04

door, like he knew the exact

33:06

model that he was going to throw at you.

33:08

By the way, for anyone who doesn't know and everyone should

33:10

listen to Two News and Two Black Dudes review the movies, it

33:12

is a lot of fun. Every episode is just really

33:15

insightful and enlightening and hilarious.

33:18

But Jada is like that in real life. Like they're

33:20

all, they're all like who they are in real life. But

33:23

Jada speaks that exact,

33:25

that same exact

33:26

like type of speech,

33:28

those references, the specificity

33:31

is, it's specifically

33:33

him and it's, I don't

33:35

know, it's just the best. So if y'all are making a food

33:37

order and the room was rocking, if you're like, I want to get pizza, I want pepperoni,

33:39

I want some fucking spinach, he's

33:42

like, no man can ever

33:44

stop a cheese pizza.

33:47

Well, wait, do you know Jada's order? No,

33:51

I do know. Yeah. He

33:53

wasn't it just like a,

33:55

wasn't it like, um, just, we

33:58

wanted to be friends or cheese. list. So

34:01

there's nothing except for the crust. He

34:03

ordered just the crust. In a circle. Jada ordered

34:07

the crust. Jada ordered the crust. But

34:10

like you have to cut out the middle. And

34:12

you know this from the anecdotal experience?

34:15

I've heard this but I didn't know it was just,

34:17

I didn't know the middle was missing. There's a great picture

34:19

of like the

34:21

pizza delivery person or whoever

34:24

made it or whatever took a picture

34:26

of it and was like this is Jada because his order and

34:29

sent it and then. But then I fact checked with

34:31

Jada. I was like is this true? And he was like yes.

34:33

He's like that's the best part of the pizza. And

34:35

it's cooked correctly. And so

34:38

that's the best way to do it. Does it have

34:40

like the little remnants of sauce or edges?

34:42

Yeah. But also like so he can't have dairy

34:44

or doesn't prefer dairy or something. He's like just

34:46

get this all out the middle. I want

34:49

just that. I definitely avoid dairy

34:51

as well and I have taken some crust. But I would

34:53

just order something else that isn't pizza.

34:56

You're not Jada-kis obviously. Clearly for

34:59

a variety of reasons. I'm going to add this to the

35:01

list. No man can

35:03

stop the crust of a pizza.

35:07

This man is ordering pizza with crust. Like

35:09

that's crazy. He's a legend. He can

35:11

do whatever he wants. I'm not disputing it.

35:14

We're going to move on to our next question. Get

35:16

ready because we're getting into it

35:18

right now. An instrumental for this group's

35:20

song with the entrance music for every

35:23

episode of Dave Chappelle's Comedy

35:25

Central sketch show. Was it A,

35:27

Blackstar, B, Dead Prez,

35:30

C, The Roots, or D, A

35:32

Tribe Called Quest. Get those answers

35:35

in. You got 10 seconds.

35:40

Some real okay player shit. Very

35:42

okay player. That was four

35:44

okay player groups in a row.

35:47

I like it. Yeah. I mean, okay

35:49

player is something by the way that we didn't talk about very

35:51

much in the blog area.

35:54

We tried to

35:56

ask people who were just like, hey,

35:58

this isn't complete.

36:00

Well, I'm sure that that's like the story of

36:02

where your life has been since you published that because

36:04

as you said It's such a there's such a vast

36:06

landscape that people are coming out of the woodwork

36:09

So what about we

36:11

went down to South by Southwest this year to announce

36:14

this thing and we did a soundcheck

36:16

the morning of and

36:18

We left the soundcheck. It

36:20

was a weird day in Austin. It was like

36:22

it was like Misty and and

36:25

on the verge of rain all day.

36:27

So the streets are empty. It's

36:29

10 o'clock in the morning and we're walking back to our

36:31

hotel from the soundcheck at the convention center and Out

36:34

of the shadows comes one person Dart

36:37

Adams People's

36:44

manuscripts scribbling over that's incorrect

36:47

I'm the right somebody who did have a blog was just

36:49

like how come I'm not even asked

36:51

to be like person number 151 out

36:54

of people you talk to Wow great

36:56

start. Yeah Well,

36:58

we're gonna pivot back to this question here.

37:01

What is your answer you guys? I said

37:03

black star I said did press. Okay,

37:05

we're gonna hear that answer right now Why

37:10

Wow Wow,

37:14

and now you would hear Sipha sounds shouting

37:16

over there Hey Don't

37:25

know a lot about those guys the blues

37:27

men sitting on the on the green

37:29

screen. Yeah You

37:34

guys were like so early to the

37:38

Worlds of comedy and hip-hop sort

37:40

of blending who in your experience

37:42

has been like the funniest rapper that

37:44

you've met Cameron

37:48

Yeah, I mean the one I didn't like it

37:50

It's also like

37:51

people we've had relationships with too, right

37:53

because like that's when you actually get real

37:55

funny Interactions, but yeah, I would

37:57

say cam the locks Miller,

38:01

Fun B, all very very

38:03

very funny. And then there's like people who are like

38:05

sneakily funny. Also like

38:07

there's a Guapdad 4000 who's like

38:10

super funny. Wait, sorry, he's not

38:12

a rapper but Charlie

38:14

Wilson. Oh yeah, very funny. He

38:16

was in our apartment, we

38:19

interviewed him for like an hour and a half. His wife

38:21

is there who like he attributes as like saving

38:24

his life and he was like, look man, I had a long

38:26

journey. Like I was on a lot of drugs and like

38:28

this woman right here, like saved my life. So she's there

38:30

throughout the whole interview. And so like it's this like

38:32

you know really just like meaningful conversation

38:35

about his life being safe and then

38:38

he gets up at the end and he's in

38:40

our apartment, he points to our, I mean

38:42

he's in our kitchen so he goes, do you guys

38:44

uh, you know, we're like yeah

38:47

I mean you know and he's like what do you what do you cook? We're just

38:49

like, I mean salmon, chicken, whatever.

38:51

Yeah, I can do it. He's like, oh me too. He's like, I like

38:53

to cook. He's like, crack! I

38:55

like to cook crack and I was nice at

38:57

it, I would make this shit pop and we're just like, we're like, wow.

39:00

Oh, yeah. Well, was

39:03

he like, was

39:05

he laughing or? He was a hundred percent. He

39:07

thought it was the funniest thing ever. It was really great. Yeah.

39:09

Yeah. He used

39:12

to indulge from what I hear. I mean,

39:14

if I used to,

39:17

I used to, I say I don't smoke weed anymore. Yeah,

39:19

I used to roll really nice blunt. Yeah, no, congratulations.

39:23

If I used to cook a warden crack, yeah, a

39:25

warden winning bunch, if you would. I would

39:27

probably have made a war winning crack, should I have chosen

39:29

to know. Every opportunity you guys have to

39:31

rub these award-winning salt in my

39:34

wounds here, award-winning blunts.

39:37

Moving on to the next question, here we

39:39

go. Final question in this round. Oh,

39:41

God. And we're going back to The Rock. After Jay,

39:44

which of these artists was the first to release an album

39:46

on Rockefeller? Was it Emile, Beanie

39:49

Siegel, Christian, or

39:52

Memphis Bewick? Get

39:54

those answers in and a hush falls over the crowd.

39:57

This is kind of a tough one. You know, we got to pull out stumpers

39:59

here.

42:01

Chachachill. Not

42:04

my favorite Christian song. I would have picked Love

42:07

for Free. A word winning

42:09

by the soundtrack. Such a jam. We're

42:13

going to move on to our second round now. This

42:15

round is more about lyrics, about rappers,

42:17

about verses. This

42:20

round is called Check the Rhyme. The

42:24

points are now doubled. Oh my God.

42:33

Alright, so we talked about them a little bit earlier now.

42:36

We have a question about them. Moving

42:38

on to our next question. Check your phones. Walle

42:40

created an anthem for this footwear brand

42:42

in 2009. Was it Adidas,

42:46

Lugs, Nike, or

42:48

Vans?

42:49

Get those answers in. Speaking of Lugs,

42:52

have either of you ever owned a

42:54

pair of Lugs? No. Never. We

42:57

almost did get sponsored by them. True. Really?

43:01

Yeah, we were going to do a video where we were doing

43:03

a hood workout. Being

43:05

outside on the street signs, doing

43:07

pull ups and all that stuff. Yeah. But

43:10

it never happened. They did approach us. This

43:12

was Lugs at its low point. Wait,

43:15

so it said that 13% got the Christian answer

43:18

right. Who

43:19

answered that right? Wow.

43:23

Of course. Of course. Of

43:25

course they had answered that question right. Just

43:28

another day in the life for Mr.

43:30

Charnas here. I'm sorry. I feel

43:33

like that Lugs campaign would have went off. I

43:36

think so too. Y'all would have gave Lugs a

43:38

street cred there. We had a... You think it's

43:40

too late? I don't. It's

43:42

never too late for Lugs. Those

43:44

are cat got sketches in her pocket. You

43:47

think it might be a Lugs renaissance moment. The

43:49

fucking spinners? Lugs.

43:52

There was the driving shoe that Flex had. Birdman

43:55

had a shoe. Yeah, that was one with the spinners, no? Yeah,

43:58

and it could have been a... us. Could

44:00

have been us. Yeah. We should start a podcast

44:03

about lugs, guys. The

44:05

rise and fall. The rise

44:07

and fall of the lugs, unlimited series.

44:10

Maybe six episodes. I don't know if we can go full-time.

44:12

I feel like you could do a few seasons. Hey,

44:15

okay, we'll discuss. We'll break it down later. The

44:19

answer. Let's hear the answer, Don

44:21

Will. Nike

44:28

boots. Nike

44:30

boots. By

44:33

the way, I just want to say for the record

44:35

that, uh, are you being real

44:37

right now? I'm being real right now. Nice. Do you have the last

44:39

person on Be Real?

44:42

Who are you broadcasting that to? Nobody. Fox. Um,

44:45

Frank William Miller Jr. is on here. All right. Shout

44:47

out to Frank. Hey, what's good, Frank? Design

44:49

my game box design here. How

44:52

about that? That's

44:54

pretty great. Um, I just want to say that

44:56

like we, we covered a lot of artists over

44:58

the 10 and a half episodes that we did with the blog

45:01

era. Um, one of them

45:02

who I feel really does

45:05

get left out of a lot of conversations

45:07

and has such an incredible catalog and deserves

45:09

to have a story out there. And the reason why his story

45:11

has never been told the right way is because

45:14

he does not get along with many journalists.

45:17

It meant so much to us as somebody

45:19

who like we know very well to tell

45:22

his story in full and let people

45:24

like really, you know, understand why

45:26

his way is while a, I mean,

45:28

the man really like is more than

45:31

what he's been portrayed to be over the

45:33

last, you know, 15 years. And he is a

45:35

staple and pillar of the blog era.

45:38

Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

45:40

Yeah. I mean, he's had a completely

45:42

unconventional path and it's sort of like touched

45:44

so many different like sub genres of

45:47

hip hop and like, you know, he's done his own style

45:49

and then he sort of has like adapted to other styles

45:51

and like, yeah, I thought that that was really excellent

45:54

that you were able to feature him. Yeah, thanks. It's, um,

45:57

it's a, you know, it's no

45:59

one's an easy road but sometimes circumstances

46:02

make things harder and sometimes the person makes

46:04

them harder and he's just

46:07

sort of been cast

46:09

aside in a lot of conversations. I'll tell you

46:11

what though, he wins in life

46:13

because in the Chris Rock movie Top 5,

46:15

Jerry Seinfeld has the cameo in it

46:18

and they're talking about their Top 5 rappers and

46:20

in the movie Jerry mentions Swale is

46:22

one of his Top 5 which I mean, they

46:25

obviously have a working relationship. I don't know

46:28

how deep in the crates Jerry's digging but

46:30

you know. Extremely. By the way,

46:32

and this is real, Wale hit us up

46:36

before the album About

46:38

Nothing and he was like

46:40

yo,

46:41

I'm gonna be in Houston with Jerry

46:43

in the studio and I need you guys to

46:45

write a sketch for me

46:47

and so we did and we sent it off and

46:49

we were really proud of it and

46:50

they didn't do anything with it. He was like this is great,

46:52

we love it. We're

46:53

like oh, this is gonna be incredible. Just another

46:56

lugs moment in our career. You

46:59

know you hear about songs getting cut a lot but I've

47:02

listened to a lot of rap albums with skits. I

47:04

find it hard to believe that skits get cut because

47:06

seemingly the barrier is if you

47:09

recorded a skit it makes it onto an album. We

47:12

honestly thought it was gonna be like a video sketch that

47:14

they were gonna do like so we wrote it for them in

47:16

the studio and they had this really

47:18

funny arc and yeah, just never got made. Yeah.

47:22

I blame Soundfills. I do too. Thank

47:25

you. I think Jerry was hating. I

47:27

don't have proof but I gotta

47:29

say that. He had a vendetta

47:32

about nothing. Yeah? Well,

47:35

Sean's back up. Yeah, yeah. Alright, we're gonna

47:37

move into our next question in our lyrics

47:41

round. Check the rhyme. Here

47:43

we go. Pini Segal makes a reference to this jazz icon

47:45

on the third verse of Freeways,

47:48

What We Do. John Coltrane,

47:50

Miles Davis, Kenny G

47:53

or Joe Pass. Get those answers

47:55

in. You guys are either racking

47:58

your memory banks or rushing to genius. right

48:00

now to see if you can

48:02

pull up the answer. While we wait, I just want

48:04

to say we need to get justice for Kenny

48:06

G.

48:07

Kenny G. Go on. First

48:09

album, G-Force. I don't

48:12

know if you guys have heard this album. You

48:14

probably have it. Go

48:15

listen to it. OK. What? Cause she

48:17

did three songs on there. Cause

48:19

she's, of all people. Well, OK. First

48:22

of all, I thought you said cause she did. And I would

48:24

say. You

48:26

guys know about the locks Kenny G can answer. Yeah, yeah.

48:29

Yeah, yeah. They did do a documentary

48:32

on the Ringer, right? Yeah, it was on HBO. Yeah,

48:34

yeah, yeah. The Ringer films, yeah. This

48:37

is how I found out that Kenny G and cause

48:39

she worked together. Wow. And it was, the

48:41

documentary itself was pretty good. Cause it shows

48:44

Kenny G in a way that you never really, I

48:46

mean, I don't really, I'm not like a big Kenny G fan. Right.

48:49

But that was like, oh, this guy's kind

48:51

of interesting. You

48:53

know what I'm saying?

48:56

Would you tune in to see

48:58

Kenny G on Drink Champs?

49:00

Yes. OK. Yeah, absolutely.

49:03

I wouldn't tune in to see many people on Drink Champs, but

49:05

Kenny G is the one. I drew a

49:07

magic Kenny G drunk just talking shit.

49:10

Oh, that'd be great. For four

49:12

hours. Four hours getting shit faced.

49:14

Makes a goddamn noise. Yeah. Specialists

49:17

Kenny G, y'all Kenny G. Waaah.

49:20

I worked on a television

49:22

show that was like a celebrity rap battle

49:24

show. And Kenny G was on the show

49:27

and he was rapping. And

49:29

then he was holding his sax the whole

49:31

time. It was very weird. I was

49:34

doing interviews, like digital content

49:36

with all of the talent that appeared on the show

49:38

and like nobody could touch the sax. Like

49:41

he would bring it in and like, there was almost a,

49:43

I think there was like a sax handler who was

49:45

there to make sure nobody got close to it. It was like, dude,

49:48

nobody's going to want to pick up your sax. Like,

49:50

wow. And there was a commercial

49:52

break that they went to. And the DJ

49:54

threw on MOPs Annie

49:57

up and apropos of nothing. up

50:00

his sax and started soloing

50:02

over Annie Up and I was like what is

50:04

happening? Incredible. The brain is melting right

50:07

now. The hardest sax solo in the world. Incredible. That

50:09

sax solo robbed me. Jazz

50:12

that fool. Yeah. Um. Thank

50:15

you Dan. Thank you Dan. Appreciate

50:17

it. Dan Sharnas. American Treasure. And

50:22

not just because he's laughing at my jokes. Uh, can we hear

50:24

the answer here? Do we have it cued up

50:26

with uh, Dina Kegel? Uh,

50:28

who we referenced on what we do.

50:29

Coltrane.

50:42

Yeah. Coltrane. I got another question about

50:44

that song though. Oh God. Who do you think had

50:46

the hardest verse? The classic debate. Was it

50:49

Freeway? Was it Jay or was it Beans? Uh, Freeway.

50:51

I think it's Beans. I'm a Free.

50:53

Yeah. Team Free. Yeah.

50:56

I gotta say I'm Team Free too. Yeah.

50:59

You have to take a point away from Eric. Look,

51:02

we don't make the rules. But you do make the rules. Right.

51:05

Right. Not that rule. I

51:07

don't make the rules. No, no. I mean

51:09

like it, the beat and the song sounds like it was constructed for Freeway.

51:12

You made it as a... Yeah. Agreed.

51:15

Oh sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

51:19

All right. That's fine. All

51:21

right. We're moving on to the next question. Here we

51:23

go. Close the shit down

51:26

and be here till midnight. Yeah. We

51:28

can go down rabbit holes. All washed dishes. Yeah.

51:31

All right. Stay tuned. That'll be the

51:33

after show episode. Washing dishes when

51:35

it's through. All right.

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52:58

He

54:00

probably could do it. He wasn't

54:02

both in the same day. What was

54:04

it like finding a

54:06

home for this and having it under the other tone

54:08

umbrella? I

54:11

imagine you guys must have been losing your minds when

54:13

you found out that this show had

54:15

the seal of approval from one

54:17

of the greatest producers. We

54:21

worked on this project for three years. Two

54:23

of those years were just straight

54:26

up ourselves, just

54:28

in this apartment, crafting this

54:30

thing, not knowing that it would be anything.

54:33

When we initially conceived it, we're

54:35

like, oh, this will take two months. We'll put it out on the

54:37

waste of time feed, and then we'll get back to doing a

54:39

regular thing. And then it just kept

54:42

going, kept going, kept going. And we pitched

54:44

the thing around softly to different companies,

54:46

and it never made sense. But

54:49

then we went out to LA, and we got breakfast

54:52

with our friend Scott Venner, who has been a

54:54

long, long, long time supporter of ours.

54:58

We were the first account that he

55:00

followed on Twitter, now X. Yeah.

55:04

He's been in our corner for a very

55:07

long time, but what he revealed during that

55:09

breakfast was, wait, you guys are working on this thing.

55:11

You should do it with us. We now have started a podcast

55:14

company that nobody knows about. And so if

55:16

you're going to team up with a

55:18

Warner, for example, and then

55:21

we spend 10 episodes being like, hey,

55:23

the major label system maybe isn't

55:25

all it's cracked up to be, that doesn't

55:27

make sense. But if you partner with the guy

55:29

who is the godfather to every single

55:32

one of these artists,

55:34

that is the storyline that we were with. And so we

55:36

were like, let's do this thing. We

55:38

are the first project that

55:40

Otherton put out under their umbrella, which

55:42

we feel very, very proud of. You're the

55:44

J.V. for their rock and roll. You're the coolest fucking god damn.

55:47

And

55:51

it really, we almost got thrilled to

55:53

be on the podcast itself, but.

55:56

He was an Aspen. He was, well, close.

55:58

Or Italy. Actually, he

56:01

had just assumed

56:03

position. Louis Vuitton. Louis Vuitton.

56:06

You either come on our podcast or

56:08

get into Louis Vuitton. There were a few moments like that where we

56:10

were going to talk to Rocky at

56:13

the Super Bowl. Asap Rocky. Not

56:16

the fictional character, Rocky. That's right. Or

56:19

the boxer. Or the winkle. But

56:22

he was busy at Super Bowl. There

56:26

were a few other people that were very last minute, didn't

56:29

make it, but it was an exciting sort of

56:31

thing. But anyway, Pharrell being part of this thing

56:33

is really a beautiful thing. And we're

56:36

extremely proud that we could tell the story and

56:38

that they supported us in a way that we

56:40

didn't have to water it down. That

56:43

means the most to us.

56:45

Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. It was

56:47

just so awesome to see. Such

56:49

a cool endorsement. Yeah. I

56:52

think it was cool, too, because, again,

56:54

you work on something. This was such a

56:57

big swing for us. There's a lot

56:59

of people who might just know us for

57:01

the five years that we did a weekly podcast, and

57:03

they definitely didn't want us to cease

57:06

operations. And then you just disappear,

57:08

and you work on this thing.

57:11

Between the two of us, quietly

57:13

for so long, people start to wonder, oh,

57:15

do they fall off? What are they doing? Do they

57:18

hate each other? Yeah, honestly. A lot of people were just

57:20

like, oh. This guy Mike was spreading crazy

57:22

rumors about you guys. And

57:25

so to make the

57:27

announcement and be like, and we're doing it with Pharrell,

57:31

it made us, obviously, feel great,

57:33

but it also was a little bit of a flex for people

57:35

who were just like, oh, they didn't

57:38

fall off. Right. And

57:40

it came out such an uncompromised

57:43

version of whatever. I've seen

57:45

so many iterations of what you guys do,

57:47

and this version was just the same as anything

57:50

else, except for this time Pharrell was like,

57:52

and name my voice. Yeah. So we sent

57:54

the trailer, the video trailer that we put together

57:58

to Don Will probably.

57:59

maybe six months before

58:02

the thing came out and you were just like whatever

58:05

you're gonna do I'm with

58:07

it you're just like it like I'm so

58:10

excited for this and that meant a lot to us because we

58:12

didn't share with anybody so we were just like it's one

58:14

of those things like I full disclosure

58:17

you sent it to me and I immediately was like

58:19

I didn't send anybody else but I was like VON. VON. VON.

58:23

Some amazing shit is about to happen.

58:25

Just get ready. He's like what? Just trust

58:27

me. Yeah. But it's

58:30

absolutely one of those things where like I was so prideful seeing

58:32

it

58:33

because again like I've known you guys

58:35

forever

58:36

so I've known you throughout the ball area

58:38

so I'm like oh who better than them to be custodians

58:40

of that story. Yeah I mean it mattered

58:42

right like we just didn't want to let Vice

58:45

or you know some outsider

58:48

tell the story like we know these people

58:50

and and we know the root of things

58:53

and and as a journalistic effort too

58:55

there was a lot of stuff we didn't know and so like

58:57

the digging and the time and the effort

58:59

that we put into like making sure that

59:02

this story did get told and

59:04

showing no favor to anybody it

59:07

was super important. I

59:09

love it and I love the work. I was

59:14

gonna say

59:21

I also loved the moving in silence

59:24

MO because my adolescents was

59:26

scarred by years of reading the source

59:28

magazine with like full spray full

59:30

page spreads of albums that never came out

59:32

or would come out like you know years later so

59:35

I'm a big fan of like you know tinkering

59:37

in the dark and then presenting the final

59:39

product and then when you get the Pharrell flex

59:41

on it like yeah. Well like I don't

59:44

know like we live in these very strange

59:46

times now where like

59:48

you know it's it's unusual for people

59:50

to take a long time to perfect something

59:52

it's just all about you

59:55

know making sure that you flood the

59:57

streets and it's just such a weird

59:59

thing.

59:59

to get a break and then really

1:00:02

launch into something and roll it out properly and then

1:00:06

people sit with that instead of just like following up

1:00:08

with something else that's just like going

1:00:10

to fill time. We are the shaddes of

1:00:12

hip hop sketch count. That's right. But yes, I

1:00:14

think that's the analogy. I think so too. That's what

1:00:16

I've always said. Yeah. I think the only

1:00:18

thing I was missing was the Pharrell 4 count at the top of every

1:00:20

episode. Yeah, exactly that. Welcome

1:00:24

to the blog here. Welcome. Welcome.

1:00:27

Welcome. Welcome to the blog here. We're going

1:00:29

to move on to the penultimate question

1:00:31

in this round. In 2006,

1:00:35

Dave Matthews Band collaborated with

1:00:37

this group on their fourth album. Was

1:00:39

it Beastie Boys, De La Soul,

1:00:42

Jurassic Five, or Far Side?

1:00:45

Get those votes in. We are going...

1:00:47

There is no other hip hop trivia night where

1:00:50

we would have talked about all the things we just talked about

1:00:52

and then we're going into a Dave Matthews

1:00:54

Band question. Sean, the fact that

1:00:56

you know this leads

1:00:59

me to want to ask you a lot of questions. Hey,

1:01:01

this is an open conversation. We'll

1:01:04

go there. But first, let's all get our answers in.

1:01:07

Penultimate is such a great word to about it. Great

1:01:09

word. It just makes you sound so much smarter than

1:01:11

you are. Yeah. Why

1:01:13

does Dave Matthews say Gucci Gang, Gucci Gang,

1:01:15

Gucci Gang, Gucci Gang? I think it was a Tonight Show thing. I don't know

1:01:18

if Sean suggested that to you. No, look,

1:01:20

don't let me run the whole show over there. I've

1:01:23

got my little section of the musical

1:01:25

walk-ons. I just realized I'm not playing on my phone.

1:01:28

Oh. But you know the answers. That

1:01:30

would be sort of... True.

1:01:33

Oh, not enough awards for Don. You

1:01:35

want more? He's power hungry. Jeff

1:01:37

and Eric, what are your answers to this question?

1:01:40

I said De La Soul. And I said

1:01:42

Jurassic Five. All right, we're going to hear that

1:01:44

answer right now. For many of you, this might be the first time

1:01:47

that you've heard the cue. But

1:01:49

let's get into it.

1:01:56

The answer was Jurassic Five. Wow.

1:01:59

Wow. Shout

1:02:02

out to Jurassic 5. It

1:02:05

feels like AI. Yeah,

1:02:10

look, I'm not going to say that this is the

1:02:12

best song in anyone's catalog,

1:02:15

but I threw this in here because you guys famously had

1:02:17

a song called Dave Matthews Band. Correct, yeah.

1:02:20

Which I could only assume is because of your

1:02:23

undying love for the jam band Dave Matthews.

1:02:25

There was a time. It was because of Jurassic 5.

1:02:29

There was a time when I did love Dave Matthews

1:02:31

Band and

1:02:32

then when the idea

1:02:35

came to us, we were like, oh, this is obvious. So we were

1:02:37

like, let's shoot a music video for this. And

1:02:40

we were like, okay, let's

1:02:42

have it be us

1:02:44

rolling around a mansion with

1:02:46

a wheelbarrow full of

1:02:48

stacks of cash and

1:02:51

everywhere we go we're on hoverboards because those

1:02:53

were super popular at the time. And then we'll be like halfway

1:02:55

through the hoverboards, we'll run out of juice and we'll carry them

1:02:57

around, right? So we'll make this music video happen. Great.

1:03:00

So we partner up with our great friend Rex Arrow

1:03:02

who did all of our music videos, all of

1:03:05

Mac Miller's music videos, and we're like,

1:03:07

we need a mansion. And

1:03:09

so Jeff was like, well, well, before

1:03:11

that Eric starts emailing all these people

1:03:13

from our town, their

1:03:15

parents, and being like, hey,

1:03:19

you haven't heard from us in 20 some odd

1:03:21

years, but we would love if you let us

1:03:23

go in your house with hoverboards and

1:03:25

just like fucking have at

1:03:28

it, like just have a run of the place. And

1:03:30

every single person was like, no. And

1:03:34

then I hit up my, so my

1:03:37

college roommate who hadn't

1:03:39

spoken to in a while, but the first time I met him,

1:03:41

he was like, I, my parents

1:03:43

are there moving in and my parents were like, what

1:03:45

are you, you know, hoping to do? And he was like,

1:03:48

I want to make a million dollars by the time I'm 30.

1:03:51

And then he did. And

1:03:53

so he has a very nice house in

1:03:56

Westchester. And so I

1:03:58

hit him up. And what happened was

1:04:00

that they took the kids

1:04:02

out for the day. They're like, we're going to the club,

1:04:05

and we'll go swimming at the club. And we'll have

1:04:07

a- Like the country club. The

1:04:09

country club, yeah. And the kids will go

1:04:11

swimming, and we'll have a nice relaxing time. You guys, enjoy

1:04:14

the house. Just go crazy with it. And we're like,

1:04:16

OK. The first

1:04:18

shot,

1:04:20

Ian Rexaro

1:04:22

starts up a smoke machine. And

1:04:24

so you have this big crew there, and they're all getting

1:04:26

everything. And there was feelings

1:04:29

this high, by the way, in this atrium.

1:04:32

What a house. What a house. The smoke

1:04:34

went up, and the smoke alarm

1:04:36

went off. And all of a sudden, it was like,

1:04:39

you couldn't hear anything but this gigantic

1:04:42

siren going off. And so the fire

1:04:44

department showed up, the police showed up. There

1:04:46

was another- The grounds crew on

1:04:49

this property showed up. It was

1:04:51

like in something about Mary, when

1:04:53

he zips up too quick, and everyone shows up all

1:04:55

at once in the window. And

1:04:58

so the cops come through, and these are guys who

1:05:00

have never left town, right? And

1:05:03

they work out just upper body stuff, and

1:05:05

they wear the shorts. And so

1:05:08

they come to the door. We're there in

1:05:10

Dave Matthews t-shirts,

1:05:12

hemp necklaces. On hoverboards,

1:05:14

spinning around. And the cops

1:05:17

are like, which one of you guys lives here? And we're like,

1:05:20

uh, none of us, actually. And

1:05:22

they're like, come out here. We need to speak to you. And

1:05:25

also, so the owners, my

1:05:28

college roommate and his wife, both got texts

1:05:30

from the property as well. And

1:05:33

so they were calling up being like, hey, is everything okay?

1:05:35

And all you hear is, ah, ah, and I'm like, yeah, everything's

1:05:38

fine, ah, ah, ah. But

1:05:41

the video came out great. Yeah, the

1:05:43

video came out great. Yeah, the video was fun. That

1:05:46

backstory of the man had no idea any

1:05:48

of that happened. First shot.

1:05:50

First shot. And

1:05:54

by the way, oh. That's how Dave Matthews

1:05:56

fan collaborated with your editor. That's right.

1:05:59

That's right. to get Dave Matthews on the

1:06:01

remix, which is like another thing.

1:06:04

Was there contact made? No, and that's

1:06:06

the reason why we left our managers at that time.

1:06:09

Look, you can't even get me Dave Matthews. What are you

1:06:11

doing for me? That's right. Honestly. Honestly.

1:06:15

Rest in peace. Alright, we've got one

1:06:17

more question in this round. The ultimate.

1:06:20

The ultimate or the post-penultimate.

1:06:24

Andre 3000's opening verse on international

1:06:26

players anthem features a subtle nod

1:06:29

to this soul singer. Is it Aretha

1:06:31

Franklin, Gladys Knight, Patti

1:06:34

Labelle, or Luther Vandross?

1:06:36

Get those answers in. You've got 15 seconds. Here,

1:06:40

just play it real quick and then I'll answer.

1:06:44

Just for everybody else. You've got it, but just to give

1:06:46

everybody else a fair shot.

1:06:48

Five seconds. It's so hard to play

1:06:50

a part of this song. I know. You

1:06:52

just want to let the whole thing run, right? Yeah. We're

1:06:54

just going to have to sit through some Andre when we

1:06:56

do have it. Alright, well let's hear it. Let's

1:06:58

get into it. We'll run the clock down

1:07:01

with this. This is a good way to run the clock down.

1:07:36

Before we get to the line, I want to know who are

1:07:38

the votes in? The

1:07:41

votes are in. Alright. Was

1:07:44

that what you wanted to know before? Yeah, the votes have

1:07:47

been in. Gladys Knight.

1:07:48

Gladys Knight. Dan

1:07:51

Turnes and I

1:07:53

got it right. this

1:08:00

song is that

1:08:01

on the pod- on you guys in the podcast it

1:08:03

was revealed that Pimp C was mad

1:08:06

as fuck about this. Yes. Like

1:08:08

we- I don't remember this. Yeah we had Jeff

1:08:10

Sledge who was the A&R for UGK

1:08:13

and he said that Pimp

1:08:18

C was livid

1:08:19

that Andre

1:08:21

would take the drums out. He was like,

1:08:25

just could not comprehend why in the

1:08:27

world somebody would touch his drums

1:08:29

and he was like none of this makes any sense and Jeff was

1:08:31

like let's just try this. Andre's

1:08:34

a little left to field but like let's give this

1:08:36

a go and look at what it did. I mean

1:08:39

I'm starting to think that the C- He was offended. The

1:08:41

C in Pimp C must stand for cantankerous

1:08:43

because he also was famously

1:08:46

not into doing the big pimpin video

1:08:48

with the A&R. Right. You didn't want

1:08:49

to get on the plane. Okay as

1:08:51

a creator isn't there some part of

1:08:53

you that's just like yes I appreciate

1:08:55

that as an artist. Absolutely. Yeah

1:08:58

put down like stand on it. Like Pimp

1:09:00

C just had such a strong like pimp

1:09:03

scene like this is me this is what I do this is mine.

1:09:06

Like one of my favorite Pimp C quotes is I'm

1:09:08

gonna make him smell my cologne.

1:09:10

That is

1:09:12

really good. Classic. Really good. I should

1:09:15

have gotten a cologne deal off of that. I should have

1:09:17

gotten a cologne deal. We're

1:09:19

gonna move on to the third round. This

1:09:21

is our sample round. This is all about samples

1:09:24

and it is called digging in the

1:09:26

crate. Yeah. Oh shit

1:09:29

I'm sorry for that. We're gonna bust your eardrums

1:09:32

open. We're

1:09:42

gonna ask you a question. We're gonna play

1:09:44

you a sample and then you're

1:09:47

gonna have to answer a question about the sample.

1:09:49

So Diodato's San

1:09:51

Juan Sunset was sampled on a single

1:09:53

by this artist in 2007. I'm gonna hit the

1:09:56

we're gonna hit the sample and then I'll pull the question up.

1:09:58

Okay. So let's hear it. It

1:10:04

was done a single by this artist in 2007. Was

1:10:08

it Cassidy? Lupe

1:10:10

Fiasco? Q-Tip?

1:10:13

Or Rick Ross? Let's hear that again, Don. The sample? The

1:10:16

sample. Get

1:10:30

those answers in. Alright.

1:10:40

That was a good one. That's a jam.

1:10:43

He held out for the win. Let's

1:10:45

hear the answer.

1:10:55

Lupe Fiasco.

1:10:59

Hi, guys. Look. So 88%

1:11:03

guys were so on it? Yeah.

1:11:06

But Cassidy

1:11:08

in 2007? Yeah.

1:11:12

Listen, Jeff and I stopped

1:11:14

in a store the other day and they were playing,

1:11:17

what's the Cassidy and Mashonda

1:11:20

song? I can't remember.

1:11:25

No, but it went into the hotel.

1:11:27

Yeah, we were just like, what is going on? Yeah. A

1:11:30

lot of Cassidy. I mean, if we're going to talk about Cassidy,

1:11:32

there's no way we can talk about Cassidy without playing

1:11:35

my favorite Cassidy song of all time.

1:11:40

A banger. A true

1:11:42

banger of a beat. How

1:11:45

often do you play this? Why was

1:11:47

this queued up? I

1:11:50

watched this video at least 2000 bucks. You

1:11:53

wanted to open the show with this, too. I was like, let's

1:11:55

work it in later. Wait, where could a beat drop?

1:11:59

was like, yo, this shit is hard. Horned.

1:12:03

It's honestly not as good without seeing

1:12:06

the video, but it's still good. But

1:12:08

I can't play that without playing,

1:12:10

oh man, I got to fuck. If we're going to be talking

1:12:12

about crazy beats. Yeah, I got

1:12:15

to play the

1:12:16

You Guys Up On The RZA,

1:12:18

that guitar center. You

1:12:20

guys know the guitar center video that RZA

1:12:22

did? He was demonstrating a product? Yes,

1:12:24

yeah, yeah. Let's hear it. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:27

This should

1:12:29

go crazy.

1:12:36

We probably should have worn beer

1:12:38

wax. People might start to

1:12:40

turn up at the tunnel, right? What's the beat

1:12:42

drops on this?

1:12:47

Well, here it comes. You've got to go crazy.

1:12:49

Give it like 10 seconds.

1:12:54

This was for a product called Beat Machine,

1:12:56

I believe. It was called Beat

1:12:59

Fang. Beat Fang. That's right. So

1:13:05

yeah, this went

1:13:07

on to become gravel pit. I'm

1:13:09

joking. I'm joking. It's not gravel pit. What

1:13:13

do you think? You guys are familiar with

1:13:15

this clip. Are you? I'm not.

1:13:17

OK. It came out, but I mean, it was spreading like

1:13:20

two weeks ago, right? Oh, really? It has a

1:13:22

resurgence every couple of years

1:13:24

where people are just like, listen

1:13:26

to this dog shit. What

1:13:28

do you think was going on that day? I think

1:13:31

that RZA was having an

1:13:33

episode like I'd normally

1:13:35

do, where it's just like you just press a bunch of shit.

1:13:38

I remember I would always experiment. I

1:13:41

don't know how to play piano. But I would always go

1:13:43

to places that did have Casios,

1:13:46

and you would just hear every single random

1:13:48

sound. You'd be like, meow, meow, meow, meow.

1:13:52

OK, so we worked

1:13:54

on the project for three years.

1:13:57

Much of that was writing it, and then

1:13:59

being in the studio.

1:13:59

studio to actually record it, both

1:14:03

all of our vocals, the voiceovers, and

1:14:06

the bespoke

1:14:07

soundtrack that Greg made, we

1:14:10

videoed everything. And

1:14:12

Greg's White did a fantastic

1:14:14

job. Greg, shout out to Greg. Shout out to Greg.

1:14:16

I think I might have texted y'all after hearing the first episode

1:14:18

like, the music. Yeah. No,

1:14:21

but like, here's what I love about you, is that

1:14:23

you recognize all the small

1:14:26

things that we had, like, inside

1:14:28

jokes, you got, and you're like, oh, I

1:14:30

see what you did with the, like, you know, Def Jam and

1:14:32

Def Jam and Def Jam and Def Jam,

1:14:35

and we're like, oh, shit, like, this stuff

1:14:37

really,

1:14:37

like, resonates, which is really awesome, so thank you.

1:14:40

I would text more, but I'm like, I don't want to just be like

1:14:42

a nerd in there. No, no, of course

1:14:44

not. Yeah, no. The four minute, 13 second

1:14:47

mark, you guys really ate that shit up. But

1:14:49

we did this whole thing, we videoed it, we put these videos

1:14:51

together, and so people could, like, we could market

1:14:53

it that way in a way that was like, behind the scenes. And

1:14:57

in the studio, you see Greg

1:15:00

working at his, like, you know, set up

1:15:02

with all the instruments around him. I'm

1:15:05

to his right, and I'm like, very much

1:15:07

involved in, like, you know, making

1:15:09

this thing what it is. And I

1:15:11

had stuff to do on Twitter. And

1:15:16

so Greg's wife saw the video and

1:15:18

sent it to her mom, and her

1:15:20

mom was like, the guy in the back is not doing

1:15:22

anything. I

1:15:25

was napping. He was napping. She

1:15:28

was like, it looks like he's sleeping. You go to Twitter

1:15:30

to see what's trending, and you want to make sure that the music

1:15:32

is on trend, because, you know, we are

1:15:34

sure. Yeah, also, right now, call the mom. Yeah,

1:15:38

yeah, yeah. Also, you know, Rick Rubin gets in the studio

1:15:40

and, like, just kind of sits there. Yeah. You're

1:15:43

the Rick Rubin. Yeah, you know, about vibes, right? That's

1:15:45

about vibes. Yeah. Rick Rubin famously

1:15:47

said, I don't know anything about music, I just know what

1:15:49

I like.

1:15:51

There you go. But

1:15:53

that is untrue. Seems

1:15:57

to have been an interesting angle that people ran

1:15:59

with, and it's probably

1:17:55

It

1:18:00

meant a lot to us to include songs

1:18:03

from the blog era in the blog era

1:18:05

podcast. And because

1:18:08

Pharrell asked,

1:18:10

Drake cleared Started

1:18:13

From the Bottom and For

1:18:15

Free. Amazing.

1:18:17

So that was really kind. For Free? For

1:18:20

Free. For Free.

1:18:22

You saw what I did. Yes, there's a lot of finger guns.

1:18:27

I'm doing all the finger commentary tonight on the podcast.

1:18:30

Just know if you're listening, you weren't here in the room,

1:18:32

you're getting the full fingered account

1:18:35

here. A lot of gross, right? Do

1:18:38

we want to talk about Drake right now? It

1:18:40

seems like there's a whole thing. With

1:18:42

your guy, Joe Budden. Have

1:18:45

you guys been kept abreast of this? Clearly

1:18:48

you must have. About Drake and Joe Budden? Drake and Joe Budden?

1:18:50

Did something happen? Are they okay? Are

1:18:53

they okay? It

1:18:58

was really,

1:19:00

really good timing for the blog era podcast

1:19:03

for that second wave. I was very

1:19:05

happy to jump on that and be like, hey,

1:19:08

this commentary is very complicated.

1:19:11

But you know what? For anybody who

1:19:13

doesn't know, Drake

1:19:15

and Joe go way back. Drake

1:19:18

kind of grew up on Joe,

1:19:21

just like he grew up on Little Brother, just like he grew

1:19:23

up on the clips. Joe's

1:19:26

emotional music that he put up post-step

1:19:29

jam was super important to someone like Drake.

1:19:30

You hear a lot of it and you see

1:19:33

how he lived his life in certain ways. He

1:19:36

definitely looked up to Joe.

1:19:39

As people grow, as people get more famous and successful

1:19:41

and more adult, you don't want

1:19:43

to admit that so much anymore. Joe

1:19:47

wants him to admit that and Drake

1:19:49

doesn't like when his one-time hero critiques

1:19:51

him and those things don't exactly

1:19:54

mesh. That's where

1:19:57

we found out their current relationship.

1:21:10

supply.

1:22:00

You know I understand like I don't listen to a lot of

1:22:02

music podcasts. I listen to a lot

1:22:04

of like The Daily or like there's

1:22:07

a show called Heavy. When you said The Daily

1:22:09

you said it like the guy. The Daily.

1:22:12

This is The Daily. I listen to that shit

1:22:14

a lot. I'm

1:22:16

just too out of like it's how I keep a breath of like

1:22:19

world news and other things

1:22:21

like that but oh see I go to Rumble. I

1:22:25

get it. I get it. That makes sense. I

1:22:28

seemingly only listen to podcasts at

1:22:30

this point. I feel guilty about it that like

1:22:33

I listen to podcasts more than I listen to music these

1:22:35

days. I listen to more music here

1:22:38

tonight. There's so much music out there

1:22:40

it makes me not want to listen to music. Yeah it's

1:22:42

too much. You get lost in it. It's

1:22:44

too much to keep a handle on so and as a DJ

1:22:47

I just have given up on trying to stay current. Yeah.

1:22:50

Like adding shit to stuff is too much. But

1:22:52

there was somebody who said they had a Joe

1:22:56

Budden sleepover where we listened to a lot

1:22:58

of podcasts. That was such a weird

1:23:01

thing to read that a person would do.

1:23:03

The guy said he had 27 friends sleeping over.

1:23:06

That was a bit though. I don't know

1:23:08

why but like that to me like reads

1:23:10

like a bunch of guys watching porn together.

1:23:12

Like you're supposed to listen to a podcast by

1:23:15

yourself or maybe with one other person but

1:23:17

like I don't know. Alright I made it

1:23:19

weird. We're going to move on to the next question. We're

1:23:21

here with It's the Real with Almanac of

1:23:23

Rap Questions. Listen to all of our podcasts

1:23:25

despite our mixed review

1:23:28

of the platform itself. So

1:23:30

we're going to talk about a cool in the gang sample.

1:23:33

The song is called Soul Vibrations. I'm going

1:23:35

to ask you which of these artists has not sampled

1:23:38

this cool in the gang song. Let's hear it.

1:23:45

Is it a Tribe Call Quest, Joe

1:23:47

Budden, LL Cool J or Ludacris?

1:23:50

Which of these artists has not sampled it?

1:23:52

Let's run it back

1:23:54

again Don. Five

1:24:01

seconds.

1:24:06

All right.

1:24:15

Our

1:24:18

time is up here. We've got

1:24:20

our answers in. So we're going to go on

1:24:22

a little musical time

1:24:25

travel here. Let's do it. Well,

1:24:27

first of all, let's go with, I think,

1:24:29

what is already on the tip of our brains

1:24:31

because we were just talking about the man. We had,

1:24:33

of course, Drake out. Welcome

1:24:49

to the Joe Budden sleepover. That

1:24:52

by the way, we're locking the doors. This is going to be

1:24:54

a Joe Budden sleepover tonight. So I hope

1:24:57

you guys packed a toothbrush. We have a communal

1:24:59

one. If not, we'll pass it around. Next

1:25:02

up, I think this is probably one of the, probably

1:25:05

the second most prominent use of it with

1:25:07

a very prominent remix, a

1:25:10

tribe called Quest featuring Busta Rhymes and

1:25:12

the rest of the leaders of the new school and Kidhood scenario.

1:25:28

Got to get to one part of the song real quick.

1:25:33

That was it. Just

1:25:36

love that. I love that intro. All right.

1:25:39

This is the moment of truth here. Piece

1:25:41

to gang star. One

1:25:44

of these artists did and where it's between LL

1:25:46

and Luda. So let's hear who sampled

1:25:48

it. One

1:25:55

of his 1990 albums. Mama

1:25:58

said, knock you out.

1:25:59

Hello cool J

1:26:05

Also where run the jewels got

1:26:07

their name from this LL. Adler run

1:26:09

the jewels run the jewels pretty incredible I love

1:26:12

a local J man Queenest

1:26:15

the greatest of all time one might even

1:26:17

say if you were into making acronyms

1:26:19

you might call him a goat Holy shit, right?

1:26:21

You just make that up. I did Wow. No,

1:26:23

I didn't know I People

1:26:26

wagging their fingers at me right now. No,

1:26:28

no, no You're

1:26:33

listening to finger talk with Sean kentras All

1:26:36

right, we've got a couple more left in this

1:26:39

round and then we're gonna be out of here So

1:26:41

this is the penultimate question Okay,

1:26:49

so we're gonna be listening to the Ohio players

1:26:52

little lady Maria Let's

1:26:54

hear it. It was sampled on a song by this artist

1:26:59

Was it fat Joe

1:27:02

Ms. Lauren Hill Nori

1:27:05

or puffed daddy This

1:27:09

one was hard for me I Had

1:27:12

no idea what the song was

1:27:14

Wow really? No

1:27:17

idea

1:27:20

I was I

1:27:29

was like I

1:27:31

was like three people did all right.

1:27:33

Let's let's play back one more time that

1:27:35

beginning All right, who sampled it?

1:27:48

All right, who did sample it?

1:28:05

In my defense, I didn't

1:28:06

listen to this album. In

1:28:11

my defense, I did not listen to this album when

1:28:14

it came out. Hump Daddy and the Family, no way out. This

1:28:16

is all I listened to.

1:28:20

I remember the album because I remember, like,

1:28:22

do you know who wrote that song? Who? Jadakiss.

1:28:26

Really?

1:28:28

Yeah. In your

1:28:30

defense, Jadakiss, I

1:28:32

didn't listen to this album.

1:28:34

Oh, you totally hear it. You can hear it. Yeah.

1:28:37

By the way, wait, can you just play the hook? The hook is so good. Vamiramaki.

1:28:40

Vamiramaki. I'm going to be your mommy girl.

1:29:01

I'm going

1:29:04

to be your homie

1:29:07

girl. Oh,

1:29:11

you got it on your cover. Oh.

1:29:17

Oh. Wow. Shisorado.

1:29:20

Baby, come to me. Shatasorado.

1:29:23

Wow, that's really good. My favorite thing about

1:29:26

Diddy as a rapper is that

1:29:28

you can always tell who wrote the round.

1:29:32

Yeah. So first time we ever met Clark Kent, Jeff

1:29:35

and I were in LA for... ASCAP,

1:29:38

oh well. Yeah, yeah, we were at the ASCAP

1:29:41

Awards and Clark walked

1:29:43

up to us. This is like an ongoing thing where

1:29:45

like someone walks up and just like says something

1:29:47

really nice to us and then leaves and we're like, oh.

1:29:50

But Clark, we're like, wait, wait. One

1:29:52

question. What's up? Because

1:29:55

he was just like, you guys are doing incredible shit and he was like, I'm a fan

1:29:57

and then walks away and we're like,

1:29:58

no, no, no, hold on. Who's

1:30:00

your favorite ghostwriter for puffs and he was just

1:30:02

like

1:30:04

Sauce

1:30:05

and we're like, okay. Why lost money

1:30:07

and he was like, yeah He was like because you

1:30:09

can't tell that it's him writing him. Yes.

1:30:12

Wow You know what? Cuz the thing is

1:30:15

sauce money. Yes, he's

1:30:17

lost money. He's incredible But you don't know

1:30:19

enough of his catalog to know what it's him.

1:30:21

Yeah, like Puff daddy rapping

1:30:24

as Pharaoh much we know That's the first

1:30:26

thing that thought of oh my god, you know who

1:30:28

it is Yeah, anybody really in

1:30:30

for that matter with puff rice, but what is sauce you can't really

1:30:32

tell cuz yeah, no sauce Yeah, yeah Who

1:30:35

do you think wrote that hook though? That? No,

1:30:40

no, I think Jayden wrote that what's

1:30:43

my Ben. I key. Yes. I want to be

1:30:45

that's obviously someone who's a native

1:30:47

speaker Listen

1:30:51

I recently revisited this album

1:30:53

because we did we do these Programs

1:30:55

on the questions called making a matter where we listen to

1:30:58

an album and we try to trim to ten songs and it

1:31:00

hasn't Come out yet, but we did this one and it made me

1:31:02

I bumped this album Religiously

1:31:05

when it came out if I reveal my age a little

1:31:07

bit, but whatever it's fine Like it was

1:31:09

I was listening to underground stuff. I was listening to this

1:31:12

out, but I hadn't revisited this in a while

1:31:14

and There's

1:31:16

like a really awful skit Prior

1:31:19

to this which I'm grateful for because

1:31:21

there were a lot of songs from this era where they put the skit

1:31:23

at the front Of the song and then you couldn't skip

1:31:26

it. All right, but it's basically puffy

1:31:28

in bed with a Latina lover and

1:31:31

she's trying to teach him how to speak Spanish

1:31:34

and I The butchering

1:31:36

of this Spanish language has never been

1:31:39

so flagrant than in this kid.

1:31:41

It is Absolutely atrocious. Are you

1:31:43

pulling it up right now? No, I'm just looking

1:31:45

at the track this thing to remember

1:31:48

Why I didn't get into this album. So senorita

1:31:50

was towards the end of the album So, you know, maybe

1:31:52

if you were in a hurry, you know, this is the first half

1:31:54

and it was my jazz four straps We're really

1:31:57

tight

1:31:59

deep into underground. Wait, so you

1:32:02

were in bone tugs? I was

1:32:04

fucking Rasko.

1:32:06

I was

1:32:09

Planet A. I was like radio. Every

1:32:12

day was a lyrical, miracle spiritual. But

1:32:14

I did buy the album. So,

1:32:17

you know, because I had a... Because I poured the art for him. I

1:32:21

bought the album so that I could be like, well that's one more

1:32:23

off the street. Then

1:32:26

I took it to a burning in my church's parking

1:32:28

lot. No,

1:32:31

look, you'll hear when

1:32:33

the episode comes out, because you guys all listen to podcasts,

1:32:35

right? But it has

1:32:37

aged well. I would say it has aged

1:32:40

well. You can have a track list, it absolutely

1:32:42

did. It's got some just bangers on it

1:32:44

too, you know, from that era. Yeah.

1:32:47

You can't really deny it. That's what they did. They

1:32:50

invented the remix, they were coming out with bangers.

1:32:52

And that music, while I also sometimes

1:32:55

had the Jansports tightly strapped, oddly

1:32:58

now this stuff is like digging in the crates

1:33:00

crew for me. Like when

1:33:02

compared to like more contemporary music that I

1:33:05

might be less into, this stuff is like super...

1:33:07

Oh, guys, we are so opposite

1:33:10

of you guys. We were just

1:33:13

like... Yeah, we didn't have backpacks. We were

1:33:15

like, fuck that. Yeah,

1:33:17

we carried around you guys' book, you know? Yeah,

1:33:20

you got book. Have

1:33:23

you circled back to some stuff that was

1:33:25

more underrepresented? Have you gone through like a similar...

1:33:28

No, you know what I've circled back on, and this is 100% true.

1:33:31

We were such Jay-Z stans

1:33:34

that when Jay and Nas started battling, we

1:33:37

cut Nas off and never listened to his stuff again.

1:33:39

And then when they pieced it up, we're just like, oh, okay, we're all

1:33:42

back good. So, honestly and

1:33:44

truly, what... Talk

1:33:46

about like new music that we've like listened to that's broken

1:33:48

through. The Nas and Hit Boy stuff

1:33:50

is so good. Yeah. And that's really

1:33:53

like on repeat. I don't

1:33:57

want to brag. I don't want to be like, you know, show

1:33:59

my bona fides.

1:35:46

still

1:36:00

counting. We'll

1:36:02

be tracking the progress all night stay tuned to

1:36:04

this live podcast. That's right.

1:36:07

We'll get the answer so you guys have all put

1:36:09

them in order and now we are going

1:36:11

to go from most recent

1:36:14

to earliest so. Most recent

1:36:16

to earliest? Oh wait. Guys.

1:36:20

No, it was able first. No

1:36:22

no no you guys put them from first to last

1:36:25

but now I'm gonna do it in reverse order I did

1:36:27

that's how I'm gonna reveal the answer to you. Guys.

1:36:30

I'm sort of into this mutiny that's happening though.

1:36:33

What? This was an outrage. I was like wait

1:36:35

we didn't review where the escape exit

1:36:38

is. Just in case you're real. Okay.

1:36:43

None of this matters. Yeah I

1:36:46

mean look in another 40 to 60

1:36:48

years we'll all be dead. Too dark? Alright.

1:36:51

Okay so the person

1:36:53

who used it most recently in 2012 it was the title

1:36:56

track off of his breakthrough

1:36:59

album Kaleidoscope Dream.

1:37:02

Miguel. Salam

1:37:08

Remy I want to say. This was Salam Remy

1:37:10

track. Salam

1:37:12

is incredible. Alright.

1:37:31

Heavy heavy. Now

1:37:33

we're gonna go back to 1999.

1:37:37

The Beatnuts sampled it on their

1:37:39

album A Musical Massacre

1:37:42

Beatnuts Forever. Wow. Thank

1:37:56

you. Bead

1:38:02

nuts go crazy. Bead nuts go crazy.

1:38:07

98, early, obscure

1:38:10

rapper you might have heard of. Which

1:38:20

means that the first artist to sample

1:38:22

this song was none other than friend

1:38:25

of the show. Sure,

1:38:27

we can say that. Shabooie

1:38:31

J. Wow. Also,

1:38:36

we gotta talk about Jay Z's ad libs. What

1:38:41

era Jay Z ad libs are the best era

1:38:43

of Jay Z ad libs? I

1:38:47

like, uh huh.

1:38:49

Uh, yeah, that is pretty

1:38:52

great. I like aww. I would agree.

1:38:55

Yes. Okay.

1:39:01

To the sound

1:39:03

of four podcasters running out of steam towards

1:39:05

the end. We

1:39:08

have totaled your scores.

1:39:10

Oh boy.

1:39:13

We currently have. In

1:39:16

first place. You

1:39:19

know what, let me do this more dramatically. Yeah,

1:39:21

dude from last place. We'll

1:39:25

keep it to third place here. In

1:39:28

third place with 170 points, Billy June. Billy

1:39:32

June shout out to

1:39:34

podcast royalty as well. Let's

1:39:36

just say, an honor to have

1:39:39

you here in the building, sir. One

1:39:41

Epstein, one up is life. Yeah.

1:39:44

One of his dead. One of his dead. Yeah.

1:39:47

And various other iterations. Were you involved in the other

1:39:49

one up with, uh, with mass appeal? No,

1:39:53

we don't talk about that. We don't claim that. It's

1:39:56

like the J and R Kelly albums. We don't

1:39:58

talk about those anymore. In

1:40:01

second place we have DLC

1:40:03

with 180 points, dance harness,

1:40:06

celebs and the house of us. That's

1:40:08

because in first place with 200 points the rare element makes the

1:40:11

noise for the rare element.

1:40:17

Let's go! Truly

1:40:20

a rare element.

1:40:24

Killed it. Killed it.

1:40:26

This was amazing. You

1:40:29

win a copy of the game, I will give

1:40:31

you a copy of the question game. Not

1:40:34

that you need the help, you're clearly very good

1:40:36

at hip-hop trivia, but maybe you could school somebody

1:40:38

else in your life about it. Okay,

1:40:42

he's fixated on his failures here. Taking

1:40:45

this moment to fixate on his shortcomings.

1:40:48

But we are so happy that you all came out

1:40:50

here. Thank you to Jeff

1:40:53

and Eric. Oh man. Clap it up. Thank

1:40:55

you guys for the 20-time award-winning.

1:40:58

Hey. Vlog here. Fuck

1:41:00

it. The ticker

1:41:02

just run by. He's 20, 20 times. No,

1:41:05

it's a thrill to be here guys. We really appreciate

1:41:08

you guys for thinking of us and it's really fun to

1:41:10

be back on this

1:41:11

stage. Yeah.

1:41:13

I mean, you'll be able to listen to this later. Not

1:41:15

you, because you don't do that. Not Jeff.

1:41:18

I just don't agree with the art form. It's

1:41:20

just not right. It's just not right. I

1:41:23

get it. I totally get it. Any

1:41:25

other plugs or things we want to do? No more plugs,

1:41:27

man. I'm just happy you guys made it

1:41:29

out. I'm happy you guys are soaring. I can't

1:41:31

wait to see where you go next. Thank you very much.

1:41:33

Go listen to the blog era podcast if you

1:41:35

have not run it up again. Do

1:41:37

we get residuals every time somebody plays a podcast?

1:41:40

We get so much money every time

1:41:42

somebody plays it. It's like it's crazy. Every

1:41:44

time somebody uses the word blog if a lab is

1:41:47

taken, right? Yeah. That's amazing.

1:41:49

Thank you and good night. Good night.

1:42:05

And now for that announcement. Tanya

1:42:08

Morgan is back. We just dropped

1:42:10

a new single over on Bandcamp titled

1:42:12

Don't Look Up. It was produced by Six

1:42:14

Sents with a feature from Mia J. Rubber

1:42:17

soles baby. I'll leave a link in

1:42:19

the show notes for you to pick up the MP3

1:42:22

as well as a pre-saved link for other streaming

1:42:24

services since it drops there on November

1:42:26

1st. Cause every fractal scent

1:42:29

counts. And we all know that word of mouth goes

1:42:31

a long way. So please tell

1:42:33

a friend, tell an enemy, tell

1:42:36

somebody, shit.

1:42:37

How many more drinks takes do we need

1:42:39

anyway? Please, refresh the

1:42:41

timeline. And if you're a DJ, be

1:42:43

sure to hit me up with a clean and a different

1:42:46

word. Alright, thanks and admit

1:42:48

we are in the corner. Men and

1:42:50

men, men and men, non-binary, we're

1:42:52

the most friendly, we're the star family,

1:43:45

we're

1:43:55

the magic wand. Don't let you be the friend

1:43:57

of a probably.

1:43:59

That gets from assume a lot

1:44:09

of time.

1:44:22

Oh, oh,

1:44:31

oh, oh,

1:44:39

oh,

1:44:43

oh, oh,