0:00

So we've been using video for the

0:02

show for I guess

0:04

like two months now, right? It's been about two months since

0:06

we've used video recording. I

0:09

am just kind of curious when you

0:11

and Plant are going to give us

0:14

a camera angle that doesn't

0:16

look like you're sending us ransom

0:19

instructions. It's just that you

0:21

guys, right now I'm looking at

0:23

Chris Plant. The angle

0:25

is like from the floor up to his

0:27

face. He's mostly covered in

0:29

shadow. He looks like a fucking noir villain.

0:31

And it's like, how much do you want

0:34

to get my daughter back? Because it's demented

0:36

and Russ, you're not much

0:38

better. It's just guys, this isn't

0:40

how people look at each other. And it's,

0:42

you know that and it's really upset. Griffin

0:45

and I are over here giving you dead

0:47

on eye level. Perfect. Rule of thirds. It's

0:50

fucking gorgeous. And you guys are looking down

0:52

at me and just like we're a couple

0:54

little bugs. We didn't catch you with a

0:56

surprise zoom guys. This is the angle you

0:58

get when you forgot a meeting and you're

1:00

taking it in your kid's bedroom while they

1:02

get dressed. Okay. I

1:04

will say from a consistently standpoint, it's

1:07

very good because Griffin never gives eye

1:09

contact on these zooms. It's always off

1:11

to the side. Yeah. It's very consistent.

1:13

Well, I think Griffin's camera is not

1:16

where we are. That's true. That could be

1:18

something that could be adjusted too. If, if,

1:20

you know what, that doesn't bother me as

1:22

much as you telling me, I need, you

1:24

need $10 million. You're going to detonate the

1:26

bombs. I fucking Russ

1:29

is like, bring me Jordan McLean is

1:31

like, he's 80 years old. Are you

1:33

sure? Bring me John McLean. I

1:35

just want to thank Justin for

1:37

giving me such great advice. It

1:40

is great to get style advice

1:42

from the man with two Funko

1:44

pops hanging right over his shoulder.

1:46

Oh, and they're inboxed though. Cause

1:49

he's maintaining the value. I

1:51

have two mint box Frasier's and a

1:54

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12:00

ramp up to start a game and the ramp up

12:02

to stop a game is slow

12:04

for me and I'd rather, I think

12:06

it's more likely that I would play

12:08

it all together than I would if

12:11

I stopped and started it. And

12:13

also every time you erase a

12:15

deleted game from your hard drive, all of

12:17

the characters inside of it die for real.

12:19

They do. As someone who

12:22

has been saying that I'm gonna go

12:24

back and play the DLC for Control

12:27

for several years, I respect

12:29

your position, Rump. Yeah. I

12:31

should have played that. It's great that you didn't

12:33

because talk about something that's much worse than the

12:35

core game. You dodged a bullet on that one.

12:38

Oh, is it bad? Yeah, it was bad. Oh

12:40

no. There is one trailer

12:42

that I wanna make sure everyone's,

12:44

it was bad. There is one

12:46

trailer that I wanna make sure everyone saw

12:49

as part of Jeff Keighley's Summer Game Fest

12:51

and it is the trailer for Killer Bean.

12:54

Yeah, that was interesting. No,

12:56

I didn't catch that one. You wanna just pull

12:58

it up real quick, Griff? Killer Bean? Yeah, you

13:00

should watch it. Yeah, watch the first 10 seconds

13:02

of it. I mean, if it doesn't have fucking

13:04

Mr. Bean in it, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed.

13:06

It does aim at Mr. Bean. Sorry, can we

13:08

just- Spiritually? While he's looking for

13:10

that, can you all clue me into the,

13:13

it seemed really, what

13:16

is the problem with the Night Springs thing?

13:18

I haven't played it. It seemed very like,

13:20

the way you guys addressed it, it seemed

13:22

like it was like common knowledge that it

13:24

was like bad. Night Springs DLC for Alan

13:26

Wake 2, who knows? Neither of us have

13:28

played it. The DLC for- I read some

13:31

very brief comments. Oh, the

13:33

controlled DLC, yes. I heard that

13:35

that was not great. Thank you for clarifying that. I

13:38

was disappointed for a second. Yeah,

13:40

this looks pretty fucking lit, guys. Yeah, bud,

13:42

it looks good. Yeah, Killer Bean looks pretty

13:44

good. Listen, what's interesting, the

13:46

only problem with Killer Bean, right, was I spent

13:49

that entire trailer thinking it was a chicken nugget

13:51

and I was getting so jazzed about playing the

13:53

chicken nugget. Explain what happens in this from the

13:55

people who are listening who have not seen it.

13:57

I mean, it kind of looks like just cause

13:59

a little- but you're a huge bean, like an

14:02

absolute unit of a bean. And

14:05

you're doing a lot of jump flips with guns

14:07

and stuff. There's gun food

14:09

in there. There's bullet time, all

14:11

the stuff your body craves, all

14:14

the gamer vitamins your body needs.

14:17

I think that this show was

14:19

great. I think that there's a

14:22

lot of weird double A size

14:24

stuff, which I am

14:26

all about. See,

14:28

it's a weird thing when you are

14:30

sort of coming on the heels of

14:32

E3 or like the heir apparent to

14:34

the E3 throne and to not

14:36

have like really a single

14:39

huge, oh shit blockbuster

14:42

like announcement. But I don't know, there

14:44

were a lot of games in this

14:46

thing that I thought, I guess

14:48

you didn't watch it from beginning to

14:50

end. That is inadvisable.

14:53

The hit to miss ratio. So

14:55

yes, so I would say that

14:58

trailers were released during this week and some

15:00

of them appeared during this. And that is

15:02

nice, I am happy. Summer

15:05

Game Fest as a product, as

15:07

a like gauntlet from hell of

15:10

marketing. Do you mean this specific

15:12

to our show or the event? I mean

15:14

the idea of like tuning in to watch

15:16

a big event that is supposed to be

15:18

comparable to the game awards. Right

15:20

now it needs a

15:22

big rethink. And the

15:25

reason why it needs a rethink is

15:27

because people pay to show their stuff

15:29

in it. And it is

15:31

increasingly unclear when we

15:33

are getting something that is just cool

15:35

and exciting and quote part of a

15:37

show and curated and when we are

15:40

getting 10, 15 minutes straight of

15:43

some of the biggest garbage

15:45

you've ever seen. When I say

15:47

garbage, I'm not even talking about games. I'm talking

15:49

like. The trailers themselves. Here's

15:52

a commercial for a gamer TV

15:54

followed by a commercial for like

15:57

other weird hardware followed by

15:59

three. straight commercials for mobile

16:01

games. Like it just, it

16:03

doesn't, it doesn't gel as

16:05

a curated experience. Yes. And I think

16:07

that's the big problem. A hundred percent.

16:10

If you're creates a bad vibe and

16:12

I actually think it undermines a lot

16:14

of the good things that are in

16:16

here. I think it's telling that once

16:18

they switched to a day of the

16:21

devs right afterwards, it's one,

16:23

I think those games look really promising,

16:25

but two, they are curated. The people

16:27

who are deciding what goes

16:30

there have decided these are

16:32

things that we want to champion and we want

16:34

to celebrate versus just

16:37

if you pay enough money, you get to be

16:39

in the show. There is something sort of personal

16:41

ads about it. There

16:43

is something kind of like crazeless

16:45

space. And I think that being

16:47

said, I think if Kojima showed up to Jeff's house

16:49

and was like, here's a new trailer for Death Stranding

16:52

2, he would run it for free. He

16:54

would run for free. But unfortunately it would

16:57

be surrounded by all these other things. And

17:00

I think the challenge with where the industry is

17:02

right now, the big

17:04

studios making the games are

17:07

financially in trouble. Uh,

17:09

the indie games, which would eventually go into day

17:11

of the devs don't have the cash. So

17:14

what ends up happening with Summer Games

17:16

Fest is you get ads for the

17:18

things that happen to have cash right

17:20

now in the industry. What that is

17:22

is like random VR, random

17:25

mobile. 4v4 hero

17:27

based shooters. Yes. Wherever can I attract

17:29

VC money three years ago and you

17:32

just get a ton of it. And

17:35

it makes for a really

17:37

underwhelming experience. Um, but it probably

17:39

made people involved a lot of

17:41

money. Well, it's just, I

17:44

want, I'm like, I'm in your target demo. Like

17:46

I want to see new

17:48

stuff. I just think that I

17:51

don't even have a problem with the, the like

17:54

pay to play model. I just feel like

17:57

you've got to be offering people

17:59

something. of value that isn't a

18:01

four minute long commercial for like

18:07

Valorant on console or metaphor refuntazio or like

18:09

hey fuck off that was the highlight of

18:11

the whole show for me man that was

18:14

I was baiting no you're like I love

18:16

Tim Robinson right I genuinely think dude's a

18:18

genius I don't understand

18:20

why there's just 10 minutes of him it wasn't

18:23

even a skit or anything funny there's two

18:25

minutes of Tim Robinson I mean

18:28

just I guarantee they turn a camera on him

18:30

and they're like be funny for two minutes and

18:33

he's like okay I guess like I'll try

18:35

but is anything gonna happen that's funny nope

18:37

it's just you doing your like thing just

18:39

do your thing Tim for two minutes and

18:41

I'll show it to everybody I want to

18:43

watch and see this stuff like I'm a

18:45

sucker I'll watch all the new commercials but

18:47

you at least have to have enough respect

18:49

for my time that we're not gonna sit

18:51

and ruminate in like 10 minute

18:54

long chunks of yeah

18:56

fucking Ken Jeong in a chicken

18:58

suit because mobile game spins are

19:00

wild like stop well it's

19:02

a weird thing we're like the

19:06

rules actually help when I think

19:08

like old FTC rules and things

19:10

like make it clear when commercials

19:12

are happening right they actually are

19:15

good for the product too

19:17

you know in this like

19:19

blurring the lines this to the point of

19:21

obscenity it actually

19:23

makes just the overall product worse and I

19:26

get why like companies would be like I

19:28

won't I want it to be unclear if

19:30

my thing is a paid for commercial or

19:32

one of the cool selected things I get

19:34

it but it does make

19:36

for an overall less compelling product

19:38

and again if I were Kojima

19:41

and I can't even say that

19:43

was true if I were somebody who had like this great

19:45

game that I was excited to show it would

19:47

really watching that I'd be like I

19:49

don't I would not want

19:52

my game to be revealed during that I would

19:54

love to try to be revealed during the Xbox

19:56

thing or something else right now while it's going

19:58

to be surrounded by other good Good stuff. Yeah,

20:00

sure. Unless you were first. I think if you were

20:02

first. Unless, yeah, if you were first. Sure, yeah. I

20:06

think a big part of the problem too

20:08

is that there is no cogent narrative. And

20:10

I think that if you think about an Xbox show

20:12

or PlayStation show or any of those E3s that we're

20:14

used to seeing, even if

20:17

it's, I mean, it's all corporate nonsense, right?

20:19

But like almost always there is

20:21

like a narrative theme that they have

20:23

tied it to, right? There's a thought

20:26

line through the show, right? It's here's

20:28

some new experiences we're creating. Here's

20:31

the part where we talk about FIFA and you

20:33

know we gotta do it. Or I guess in

20:35

this case, FC 2025 or whatever. But

20:38

like there's some parts that we gotta

20:40

do, but there's like a thread. There's like, here's

20:42

what we're doing at Microsoft. I guess I've sat

20:45

through 60 fucking E3 press conferences and couldn't tell

20:47

you a single thread. But as an audience, when

20:49

you're watching something, you need

20:51

a bit of a gimmick or a trick to

20:54

trick you into making you feel like you're not

20:56

watching two straight hours of commercials. Right, and that's

20:58

why I think Devolver does that like perfectly, but

21:00

they also only do it for like 15 minutes

21:02

at a time. I actually feel

21:04

kind of the opposite where it's like, if you

21:06

watch the Microsoft press conference, the through line is

21:08

these are all games I'm gonna play on my

21:11

Xbox or my PC. There's like,

21:14

there's gonna be reveals. There's gonna be some

21:16

trailers for the new DLC for this big

21:18

game that came out this year. That's kind

21:20

of boring with a Jeff show. It's

21:24

a fucking crab bag every time. You're

21:26

playing Yahtzee basically. You're playing Yahtzee and

21:28

sometimes you get Ken Jeong in

21:30

a chicken costume who has

21:33

been paid $35 million to

21:35

talk about a mobile MOBA.

21:38

And then sometimes you get something cool in there too.

21:41

It's a fun little mix. The

21:43

show should be an hour for

21:46

starters. It shouldn't be two hours. It's

21:48

painful to watch. And it

21:50

should be new

21:52

big games that people paid money to

21:54

put in that some people will care

21:56

about. And then some smaller things

21:59

that are just being. elevated because it's

22:01

of value to the indie

22:03

and also to the consumer. Like here's something that

22:05

if you hadn't tuned in for this, you would

22:07

have never known existed. That kind of

22:09

vibe, like there's some of that within, right? It's all

22:11

the components for this thing to work are in it.

22:14

They just need to cut out a lot

22:16

of the growth. That ain't gonna pay Jeff's health insurance.

22:18

Yeah, no. Did you guys watch it live? I get

22:20

it. Yeah. See

22:23

that's unthinkable to me. I skipped around. I like

22:25

having it on. I mean, I'm not like watching

22:27

it, you know, but like when you're driving and

22:29

you just need something to watch, you know, if

22:33

you have fucking died in a car

22:35

accident and got to the pearly gates

22:37

and fucking St. Peter was like, how'd

22:40

you go? You're like, well, well, Jeff

22:42

had it metaphorically. Fantasia's looking good.

22:45

I just think the cops walking up on the car

22:47

crash and killer bean is just playing on his eye.

22:50

Hey, Lieutenant

22:53

Carlson, tell me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't

22:55

look like a chicken nugget, right? Is this a

22:57

chicken nugget? Sid,

22:59

poor Sid Myers. Poor

23:02

Sid Myers. I

23:05

don't mean that, I mean, these games are mega

23:07

successful, but it is like in the context of

23:09

the show to just have Sid

23:11

Myers pop up like, yeah, I'm still at

23:13

it. I'm in this gray cable net sweater

23:15

and I'm still making tiny tanks. Yeah, it's

23:18

my thing, baby. Still on

23:20

my fit. Griffin sort of alluded to

23:22

it, but I do want to talk about the, do

23:27

we want to talk about this now or

23:29

should we save it for B segment? I

23:31

want to talk about Microsoft and Ubisoft. Yeah,

23:33

man, that's obviously the much bigger, much sort

23:35

of wilder shit happened in those two shows.

23:37

I'm sure you don't want to spend a little

23:39

bit more time on Street Fighter 6 Fatal Fury, are

23:42

you guys excited about that? We like Street Fighter

23:44

6 around these parts. Is that new? I

23:47

mean, they're just adding Fatal Fury characters to Street Fighter

23:50

6, right? That's sick, don't you guys like that? I

23:52

don't know. I don't know. I love

23:54

me a Terry. I don't know what anybody likes it, I

23:56

don't know. It's weird, there was a

23:58

Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, that was cool. That

24:00

does look very good. Oh, that's cool. I'm into

24:02

that. I will say the two games before we,

24:04

we'll take a quick break in a second and

24:06

jump into the big shows. But the two games

24:08

that jumped out for Devolver, there's a

24:10

game called Tenjutsu, which is made by

24:12

one of the designers of Dead Cells

24:14

that looks fucking sick. It's like a

24:16

top-down roguelike with meta progression stuff. And

24:20

they're also making a game called Angerfoot,

24:22

where you kick people

24:24

and the shoes have different classes

24:26

of perks and things. Both

24:28

of those games look fucking sick. The Devolver

24:31

press conference, if you've never seen one, every

24:34

single year is fascinating. And this year,

24:36

they basically made an episode of Mindhunter

24:40

but with a mix of new

24:42

video games thrown in. Yeah.

24:44

Really fucking incredible. That's a

24:47

hit. OK, we've got big

24:49

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24:51

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24:53

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besties. We

26:11

made the same mistake, you

26:14

know, just like Summer Game Fest. We

26:16

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26:18

and now people have suffered

26:21

for 25 minutes and they're like, oh,

26:24

now you're waking up, now you're

26:26

ready. Now you want to tell

26:28

me about Doomguy? Going back to

26:30

the middle ages and punching demons

26:32

in the throat. Man. Yeah,

26:34

we do. I was,

26:36

hmm, I was

26:39

ready to like spitefully not

26:42

enjoy the Microsoft press conference. And

26:46

it is honestly still kind of hard

26:48

to get stoked for any games coming

26:51

out of Microsoft when like the

26:54

possibility exists that they could do great and

26:56

then the studio still gets fucking shut down.

26:58

It's hard not to be still extremely kind

27:00

of upset about that, but

27:03

hot fucking damn, this is one of

27:05

the, I think like in

27:07

terms of content, like one

27:09

of the better press conferences they've like done

27:12

in recent history. Yeah, and also in terms

27:14

of the games, we can all remind ourselves

27:16

as listeners, people made

27:18

these games too. Right, exactly. And those

27:21

people are super excited that their games

27:23

are coming out and finally being shown

27:25

to the world. So like if you

27:27

need that comfort, you don't have to

27:29

like Microsoft to like that the

27:32

team who's making the new Dragon Age is really

27:34

excited to have you play that game. Yeah, exactly.

27:36

All right, listen guys, I'm gonna go through the

27:38

entire Microsoft list. You tell me when you wanna

27:40

stop to talk about stuff. Doom. Okay.

27:43

You got a shield that you can throw, thank

27:46

God. More games you can throw

27:48

shit and then shit comes back to you, please.

27:50

It's basically Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court, but

27:52

for Doom. But does it look like they changed

27:54

the game quite a bit? Because in the

27:56

trailer, there is lots of these like

27:59

massive mobs. characters that you're

28:01

blasting through. I don't know like what's... I'm

28:03

curious how it feels if it is kind

28:05

of a change from previous dudes. I mean

28:07

there's pretty sure that you've fought a lot

28:09

of guys in previous dudes. You would fight

28:11

a lot but I felt like it was

28:13

a lot of like zipping between one person

28:15

to the next not like oh I fire

28:17

a hand pistol that kills 20 dudes

28:19

at once. I am glad that this is

28:22

announced I will say because I have

28:25

known about it for six months because Travis

28:27

got a voiceover audition for it. It's

28:31

been really hard to remember not to talk

28:33

about it. Travis is Doomguy. He's

28:35

Doomguy. He is Doomguy. Did

28:39

he also play the Cacodemon or not so much?

28:41

State of Decay. Three never really got into those.

28:43

I think we'll enjoy them though still

28:45

making them. I think that

28:47

Dragon Age looks terrible.

28:51

No interest at all for me.

28:53

The tone of that trailer was not

28:56

what I wanted from it. It's

28:58

very sassy. People who

29:00

saw it at the

29:02

actual play days seemed to really

29:04

enjoy it. Like the

29:06

game? Saw the game? Yes. It's possible

29:08

that it's just not

29:11

a great trailer but it was just very...

29:16

I don't know. The art style is not working

29:18

for me. I was thinking it was going to

29:20

be... Oh I always get

29:22

this confused. Not Darkstalkers. What's the other one

29:24

that's kind of like that where you're playing

29:26

as war and the horsemen and... Oh Deathstalk?

29:31

Darkciders. Is that right? Sure. I think

29:34

so. Yeah I think so. God. Yeah

29:37

it was just very... I

29:39

don't know. It felt very like... It kind of

29:41

looked like an Illumination movie. Yeah kind

29:44

of... I don't know.

29:46

I don't want to be rude because it's just a trailer.

29:49

Right. It's a trailer and like Dragon Age

29:53

as it has been I think a

29:55

lot of people have have chomped

29:58

that flavor. Like I don't know. There's a

30:00

lot of room for a game like Dragon

30:02

Age tonally. So maybe try to distinguish the

30:04

time it says it. But at the same

30:07

time, there's, but the fact that there isn't

30:09

a lot of stuff out there, like Dragon

30:11

Age has a certain expectation of like fairly

30:13

hard fantasy in it. And that

30:15

was like far from the vibe. I'm just saying

30:17

there's a lot of that now and they probably

30:19

need to mix it. Well,

30:21

here's what I would say. I have no

30:23

connection to Dragon Age whatsoever. I've played none

30:26

of them. And even

30:28

though the writing of that trailer was like,

30:30

whatever fine. It was like a

30:32

very winky, silly, visually

30:34

speaking. I was like kind of intrigued by it

30:37

because it did feel different and like something unique

30:39

and like so I was

30:41

like, okay, I would check this out. And

30:43

I'm like and I think that's what they

30:45

were trying to do is make a trailer

30:47

that would be appealing to people that aren't

30:49

going to be drowning in Baldur's Gate lookalikes.

30:51

I'm not going to talk about Starfield shattered

30:53

space because. I

30:56

mean, I'd like for them to turn into a

30:58

good game. That would be cool. Yeah, if they work on it enough,

31:00

maybe they'll make it good. I continue

31:02

to be kind of in a perpetual state where I kind of

31:05

wish I was playing Fallout 76 a little bit. Like,

31:07

yeah, I don't know. It's like I kind of wish

31:09

that I was playing it. I feel that way a

31:11

lot about MMOs when they get advertised. Like I do

31:13

that with the Elden Ring too and they're like 10

31:16

years all of Tamriel's like, why am

31:18

I not playing Elden Ring all the

31:20

time online? Elder Scrolls, not Elden Ring.

31:22

That would be sick. Let's do that

31:24

too. Come on, guys. Someone

31:27

give us a hundred mill. Hey, if you

31:29

want to get into ESO, let's let's let's

31:31

strap in. Let's get wild. But it looks

31:34

so that is also

31:36

happening. They had a

31:38

new expansion. Star. Oh, well,

31:41

man, the name is Escape now. Skyline

31:43

Valley. Yeah,

31:45

that's for Fos. It's expanding. How

31:48

do you live there so you don't know this stuff?

31:52

No, I'm in the only state

31:54

that is completely encompassed by Appalachia.

31:56

So yeah, it's my backyard man.

31:59

I know a Camden parks in

32:01

the game like I live Claire

32:05

obscure this look kind of cool. I don't

32:08

know. It looks like a is it a

32:10

role-playing game? It looks like a turn-based RPG

32:13

But it's got really interesting like the camera

32:15

work that they're doing like during the battles

32:17

feels very kinetic. I look at me style

32:21

Hey There's a new perfect

32:23

dark game coming and it looks sick as

32:25

hell man That might have been surprise highlight

32:27

of the show for me that they're doing

32:29

a new perfect dark with like immersive sim

32:32

I mean we knew they were making a

32:34

new perfect dark, but we didn't know that

32:36

it would actually be kind of good I

32:39

don't know that I knew they were making

32:41

a new perfect dark Oh, yeah, it's been

32:43

I'm pretty far outside of the industry outside

32:45

of this show which let's be honest barely

32:47

counts. Yeah So

32:49

that was a wonderful delightful Delicious

32:52

surprise. I like the joy in the dark is

32:54

like our age Yeah,

32:57

that gives me like hope yeah, maybe

32:59

we're not dead like maybe yeah any

33:01

moment I could decide to go You

33:03

know like uncovering an alien

33:05

mystery. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that looked

33:07

really that was a Fantastic

33:11

trailer, I mean like in terms of showing

33:13

like already getting you excited and then adding

33:15

layers on like oh, whoa Oh, this looks

33:18

fun. I really hope that it's Legit

33:22

not like because it really is like a choice

33:24

cuts like and then you're gonna jump out the

33:26

window and fall off the balcony And there's a

33:28

guy under it you take his gun you kill

33:30

that guy. It's like I hope it's like that

33:32

looks fun Yeah, I don't know

33:34

what the like 30 second loop of that game is

33:36

right this great. Yes Russ. Yes,

33:38

exactly People were making illusions to like oh, it

33:40

kind of looks like deus ex But really based

33:42

on that trailer for all we know it's like

33:44

a super linear Shooter that happens

33:46

to like let you see through walls. We

33:48

don't know the parkour kind of felt kind

33:50

of mirrors edge or like yeah Definitely maybe

33:52

not me not quite mirrors edge dying light.

33:54

Maybe a little closer anyway Yeah,

33:57

it looked great Gears

33:59

of War The other. Oh, I guess so. I

34:03

think in the lead up to this, Chris Plant mentioned

34:05

the possibility of a new Gears of War game. I

34:08

know there are people that love Gears of War, and

34:10

I'm actually really happy for them. I

34:12

I'm actually more the possibility to

34:15

do a Gears of War game that is not a sequel

34:17

and like a and here's going

34:19

into this, like something touching on something that

34:21

has been kind of like alluded

34:24

to a lot. I think is a cool. I think

34:26

it's smart to start over. I think it's smart. It's

34:28

the only thing it got me kind of interested, which

34:30

I think is a huge

34:32

achievement. I think that's the exact thing they had in

34:35

Nail, though, Griff. I think that's right. I think they

34:37

had to say, I know a lot

34:39

of you don't care about Gears of War. It's been

34:41

a little bit. A lot of people found off. Let's

34:43

start over here. I

34:45

think it's a good I think it's the only thing I don't know if

34:47

it's a good thing. I think it's the only thing they can do. I

34:51

am worried because they're not fully starting

34:53

over. That's the only bummer for me

34:56

is it's not a reboot. They still

34:59

seem to think that they're going to do Gears of War six.

35:02

And this is the same characters. But

35:06

before Gears one, and I'm hoping that maybe

35:08

that they just have not committed to their

35:10

marketing message yet and that they're going

35:12

to come back and be like, actually, no, we truly are

35:15

starting over. This is not the

35:17

exact same Marcus Phoenix that

35:19

has already had five games worth

35:22

of story. We are doing a

35:24

like redo. No, I don't think

35:26

that's what I think this is better. Call Saul, basically.

35:28

Yes, correct. That's what I'm saying. It's not a

35:30

full start over. It's not a reboot. But that's

35:32

what you got to start it. It's at a

35:34

starting point. It's not a starting point, but I

35:37

wish it had been. I think what

35:39

one of the what of the rich fiction of Marcus

35:41

Phoenix? Are you hoping to leave behind that you think

35:43

is going to hold them back? All

35:45

of it. That's what I'm saying is like you could start

35:48

over from the beginning and then start to

35:50

do a new like God of War. I

35:52

guess God of War actually does connect.

35:54

So maybe maybe it works. Maybe they they

35:56

they find a way to like be able

35:58

to have all the terrible lore. of past

36:01

games fit into like this. But they don't

36:03

need to like, why like,

36:06

just start from like this is

36:08

starting from zero. I mean, it doesn't need to eventually

36:10

connect, but all you need to know is Marcus needs

36:12

to live and Dom needs to live and then you're

36:15

covered in terms of the game. Yes. But

36:17

what I'm saying is like, if we spend this game doing

36:19

The Last of Us, which is what it looks like they

36:21

want to do, and it is like the darkest, saddest game

36:23

possible, and then the next

36:26

experience is Gears of War 1. That's

36:29

a weird ass as a

36:31

collective story. No, they're not

36:33

leaving themselves a lot of daylight maybe for

36:35

like continuing this in a different direction. Yeah,

36:38

I don't think they will realize I get that

36:40

that makes no what the fucking different direction is

36:43

for that. Yeah, you need to be on a

36:45

different fucking planet and someone needs to have a

36:47

better day than they've been having. It really feels

36:49

like they just want The Last of Us, which

36:52

is maybe not a bad idea. You

36:54

keep saying Last of Us, but I think it's

36:56

still going to play like Gears of War. I

36:58

don't think it's going to be like that. I

37:01

think it will, but I think story-wise, it is

37:03

the day that after like a big war, I

37:05

guess there's like peace in this land and then

37:07

monsters start coming out of the ground and killing

37:09

everybody. And it's about them walking

37:11

through a world that still should look like

37:13

a normal-ish world that is now

37:15

being attacked by like people

37:18

destroying monsters. It's a tough needle to thread, but

37:20

I trust that Cliffy B is going to figure

37:23

it out. He was very

37:25

excited. I saw him on Twitter being like, oh, good

37:27

for him. They did it. That's got

37:29

to be killer actually to make something and see it

37:31

like kind of continue. It's very satisfying.

37:33

Can I ask you guys about Fable? Yeah,

37:36

it looks good. It looks real good. I

37:39

thought it was great. Yeah? Yeah.

37:42

Justin is looking at us. No, but you guys are. Okay, I don't

37:44

mean to be mean, but like, are

37:47

you guys suckers? That was all CG.

37:49

Like what do you mean? It looks great.

37:51

Oh yeah. So does Inside Out

37:53

2. What's your point, man? I don't... Here's

37:55

what I'm saying. Wow. My

37:58

senses, my Justin. instances are tingling about

38:01

fave. Oh no, I think it's a

38:03

mess. I think it's

38:05

a mess. Think about this guys. We have seen.

38:07

That is not a CG trailer. Let me just

38:09

be clear. Like that is not a pre-rendered trailer.

38:11

I'm not talking about pre-rendered. I'm talking about show

38:14

me what is fun in the game that is

38:16

not how good your face animations are because I

38:18

feel like that has been the main focus of

38:20

all. You want to see someone plant a tree

38:22

in the open world for them to return 20

38:24

years later in real time. And for a tree

38:26

to be. No, I tell you a single like

38:29

a good joke might be good or like

38:32

showing you what interacting with the world is

38:34

like. See this is why I'm harping on

38:36

this. Sure. Molyneux's whole

38:38

thing for the fable series

38:40

was over promising interactivity and

38:42

the amount of like we

38:45

all got these pitches at these various E3's who are

38:47

like all right then you're gonna jump onto the bar

38:50

and there's different kinds of cups you can kick one

38:52

cup at this guy and then you flip over the

38:54

antlers and you but no you hit a this one

38:56

your sword but like the that is

38:59

what I need. I want to know what

39:01

they're doing with this because like they haven't

39:03

shown anything about what will make this an

39:05

interesting game to play. Right. I don't

39:08

know anything about the experience of playing fable

39:10

and like there's lots of games like this

39:12

in this sort of like fantasy setting and

39:15

if they've pulled the sort of like humor.

39:17

I know it's still like

39:19

light hearted but it's not like humor in the same

39:21

way. Thank you my dear. I

39:23

thought the the original trailer not this

39:25

trailer but the original trailer with Richard

39:27

IO8 was pretty funny. I agree actually

39:29

and I was more encouraged by that

39:31

I guess what I was kind of

39:33

expecting is like a continuation of

39:36

that with like more of what you'll actually

39:38

be like what their thought

39:40

is like what do you know about the game

39:42

fable. What is the game? Yeah and

39:44

maybe this is my fault for filling in the

39:47

blanks but I basically just saw I put all

39:49

the trailers together I pictured that

39:51

initial trailer and then I saw this

39:53

trailer which had like actual gameplay in

39:55

it theoretically like walking around gameplay. Walking

39:57

around yeah. One second and then I

40:00

I folded in, I remember

40:03

playing Fable 3. And if

40:05

they can just do the Fable 3 gameplay

40:07

with these visuals and funny writing, I'm

40:10

into it. Like that's a game I want to

40:12

play. I'm assuming you mean Fable 2, but I

40:14

see what you're saying about. Whatever the- He accidentally

40:16

said the wrong one. Whatever the good Fable was.

40:18

Fable 2 was the good one. No, you know

40:20

what? I'm realizing in this conversation, I think I

40:22

have some inbuilt epigenetic

40:24

skepticism when I see Fable. I'm just

40:27

like, all right, Peter. Oh,

40:29

you say Peter's on mall this time? Okay,

40:31

I'll believe it when I see it. You're

40:33

going to start new Fable. It's

40:36

going to load up with a

40:38

video of Peter Mollidew being like,

40:40

gotcha, it's my game. And then

40:42

the only piece of interactivity is

40:44

digitally signing a contract that says

40:46

this game is not on rails,

40:49

followed by a game that is entirely

40:51

on rails. There may be folks at home

40:53

who are like, I don't know, disheartened

40:55

by this conversation. I cannot think of a

40:57

game franchise with which Justin has

41:00

more of a love-hate relationship. I have a

41:02

really strong feeling about Fable. Just tremendous expectations.

41:04

Like in Sky High, because when Fable came

41:06

out- I don't even say the expectations are

41:08

great. I'm really interested.

41:10

I'm super interested in it. And

41:12

I'm not saying that it

41:15

just to me, if

41:18

they had some really great thoughts

41:21

about what this game

41:23

is, like why it makes sense to

41:25

do this game, especially if maybe they've

41:27

only made car games until now, I

41:30

would really like to know what it is

41:32

that they're thinking. Because so far I have

41:34

no idea. I will say they've

41:36

only made car games in great action and open worlds,

41:38

but they have not proven that they know how to

41:40

write and get performances out of people. And they've done

41:42

that for me with these trailers. Okay, that's a really

41:44

good point, plant. That's actually a really good point. Because

41:46

that is the stuff that you don't know that they

41:48

can do necessarily. And they're

41:50

definitely, I really love- If it has

41:53

the patience to sit in moments like

41:58

have been in these trailers. where it's

42:01

not like full bore all

42:03

the time and like they're actually showing the

42:05

performances and that can be really fun. I

42:07

could be into it. Also, if you're supporting chickens, you gotta

42:10

make sure that that's in there. The chickens must fart. Yeah.

42:12

The chickens must fart. Snake? Snake! Yeah,

42:15

snake's back. Oh God, we really fucked up. We

42:17

should have just waited a little bit longer. We

42:20

could play- No kidding. We could play good snake

42:22

eater. Yeah, they're making a new

42:24

snake eater. I mean, it's not a new snake eater. I

42:26

guess it's just snake eater. Although interestingly, there's

42:28

a triangle instead of a three. I'm not

42:31

sure- It's a delta. Is it delta? Okay.

42:33

That's the full name of the game is

42:35

Metal Gear Solid Delta. Okay, cast

42:37

me. I'm gonna put a blame. I

42:39

think it's because they're redoing the

42:41

whole series Resident Evil style, but

42:44

they wanna go in chronological order.

42:46

Okay, and is delta the first letter in the

42:48

alphabet? I believe delta is three. Okay.

42:52

So it's like a way of conveying three without having-

42:54

It does have three points, so that does make sense.

42:57

Yeah, it looks sick. I'm sure it's from

42:59

a control standpoint more playable and

43:01

from a fun standpoint more playable. I actually like

43:04

snake eater for the record. I know everyone else

43:06

here hates it, but I do 100%

43:09

agree that the game would be dramatically better if

43:11

the controls were good. I'm very looking for, I

43:13

love, I don't dislike anything

43:15

in snake eater except playing it. So I'm

43:17

very excited about it. Yeah, same. Yeah, I

43:20

think this is a very promising opportunity. Okay,

43:22

you all, can I ask a couple of

43:24

things about

43:27

a couple of things that are on this list that I just wanna

43:30

know super quick if you guys had any quick thoughts, super quick. I

43:32

thought mixtape looked really cool. Yeah.

43:35

That was like, and they showed a lot of it. It

43:37

was like, I don't really know what it is. It

43:40

looks a little bit kind of like a life is

43:42

strange kind of a vibe, but there's definitely like a

43:45

nostalgia. They're going for some of that. Has

43:48

the game ever targeted us

43:50

and our demo more though?

43:53

Yeah, people actually- It's about fucking time, huh?

43:56

Finally, we're being catered to. Hey, and listen,

43:58

if you all think I'm gonna- I'll let

44:00

you go without telling me what you, if you're

44:02

excited to get that whip left door and

44:04

get out there with your best friend, Indiana

44:06

Jones. Hey, can I say, can I, it's

44:08

giving fucking the King Kong

44:10

movie tie-in game that's an Xbox 360

44:12

launch title. That's a devastating blow.

44:15

But that game slaps ass. I

44:17

am fucking stoked for the Indiana Jones game. I

44:19

think that looks so good. Who

44:21

is doing the sound-alike for Harrison Ford because

44:23

it's pretty fucking spectacular. It's working, man. It's

44:25

working. No, I thought that

44:28

looks so fucking good. No,

44:30

hey, listen, again, God

44:34

be with you all. I think that, I

44:36

do wanna say though, one complaint I have,

44:38

the last visual they have in the Indiana

44:40

Jones and the Great Circle trailer

44:43

is he's running from the boulder again. I

44:45

guess he got himself into another boulder-based scrape.

44:47

He's running from the boulder. So he runs

44:49

away from the boulder, and then it says

44:51

Indiana Jones is the Great Circle. And

44:54

it kind of makes you think like, is that

44:56

the Great Circle? It's just the boulder again? The

44:58

boulder. That's the Great Circle? For

45:00

the record, it is Troy Baker doing the

45:03

voice of Harrison Ford. Oh my goodness. Wow.

45:05

Wow. What a talent. That dude has it.

45:07

He's got a big career ahead of him.

45:09

Last one, did you all think Flint Lott looked

45:11

cool? They

45:13

described it in the trailer as a

45:15

souls light, which I didn't know we

45:17

were doing, like in marketing materials. I

45:21

don't remember. Look at it real quick. Just look at

45:24

it. I think it looks. Yeah, can

45:26

you describe the aesthetic? So

45:28

there is another game coming out

45:31

like this that is similar. It

45:34

feels like sort of a, what would

45:36

you say? Revolutionary war

45:39

era fantasy kind of vibe? Is

45:41

that fair? It's

45:43

very much like... Kind

45:46

of looks French Revolution. No, that's good. Yeah.

45:51

I don't know. I just thought it looked kind of neat. If

45:53

you guys didn't have anything to say about it. The thing about

45:55

all of the, whenever there's like a souls like, you

45:57

really can't know until you've played it. It's 100.