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1:43

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1:47

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1:49

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1:51

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1:54

for Live in Studio Audience. Oh,

1:58

what's the matter, Lisa? Oh, these

2:00

are these are happy tears

2:02

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2:04

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2:06

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2:11

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2:13

mechanical lubricant droplets? Well,

2:16

Debra, I'm reading this beautiful book. It's

2:18

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2:20

about a teddy bear that wants to

2:22

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2:24

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2:26

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2:28

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of like how how you don't want

2:32

to be my friend Oh, wait

2:34

a minute. Okay. First of all, I

2:36

do want to be your friend and

2:38

we are friends Lisa We're super good

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2:43

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2:45

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2:49

there's this dog that totally sees the

2:51

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2:53

he is and he teaches the bear

2:55

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2:57

friends with people and dogs

2:59

and robots who can truly appreciate you

3:01

for who you are That's

3:04

a wonderful message. Yeah, and

3:06

it's written by this uber cool and

3:08

wise and funny guy named Ethan T.

3:10

Berlin He sounds awesome. Oh, wait,

3:13

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3:15

hugely woolly spider? Why? Yes.

3:17

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3:19

love that book I'll definitely order a

3:21

copy of I am NOT a dog

3:23

toy from wherever books are sold as

3:26

soon as we're finished recording today And

3:28

then you'll read it to me at bedtime. It would be my

3:30

pleasure Until then we

3:32

shall carry on with our show. So why

3:34

don't you tell everyone how our game works?

3:36

Okay So this is crazy, but

3:39

just hear me out. Okay. Okay

3:41

every week we bring on two

3:43

grown-ups one is

3:45

an expert the other is a This

3:48

is where it gets real weird ever. Okay, the

3:50

other is a liar Oh dear. Yeah, and it's

3:52

the job of a human child to help us

3:54

figure out who was who because no one can

3:56

spot a liar Better than a kid. I Mean

3:59

we hope. The and about about what are we

4:01

line about That A Deborah Me. Are lying

4:04

about says circus? A scrabbling

4:06

company as entertainers such as

4:08

acrobats and clown reset. Have

4:10

you ever been to the

4:12

circus? Or yeah, well there is.

4:15

There's. One thing that keeps me from

4:17

going to the circus. Oh the

4:20

clowns. What? no clouds? Her whole

4:22

area's they're all I got off

4:24

Floppy Shoes properties. You know why

4:26

I I don't like tense. I.

4:28

Don't like the idea of. Spending. Time

4:30

under fabrics suspended by polls.

4:32

I prefer the stability of

4:34

walls and ceiling. Thank you

4:36

very much New. Would you say

4:39

that back kind of construction makes you. Tense.

4:42

Your. Palms make me temps.

4:44

Okay, whistle than sweater we visit

4:46

to something less money like meeting

4:49

our contestants lisa us through his

4:51

are contesting today. Arse human child

4:53

contestants is a nine year

4:55

old who loves playing soccer

4:58

and all things Godzilla season

5:00

or. And.

5:08

Say hey, Oh, that means just

5:10

sitting there isn't. That mean jokes

5:12

or cools what he says. Oh

5:14

cool cave for cool. that's a

5:17

skill all things Godzilla is And

5:19

tell us what do you like

5:21

about said Scylla everything about it,

5:24

every saying it's not scary slowly

5:26

be serious incentive to see. That's

5:30

fair, right? Yeah, deborah, don't be

5:33

such a scaredy cat. I suppose sometimes

5:35

giant lizards destroy cities and that's the

5:37

fun in term of living in a

5:39

city. And guess assists the

5:41

circle of life, isn't it? Yeah, You.

5:43

Have a favorite said Zola movie. Certain.

5:49

Licenses: I like Godzilla vs

5:51

Olive Garden said Joseph and

5:53

he's like how many bread?

5:55

Sixty Nine. Hundred

5:58

and Twenty and I say sir, you have

6:00

to go and he says we're in a

6:02

nail down. As big as seen that one. even.

6:04

have you seen that one? Know that's not in a movie.

6:07

Are you sure? Yes. Are we talking about

6:09

movies either? Were just talking about ideas such

6:11

as he gets. That's about as it. I

6:14

don't have that occurred to me. I like

6:16

it. Copyright? Yeah. Copyright. That didn't. Pan.

6:31

Out my name is my any than

6:33

Ah, and I've I actually grew up

6:36

in the circus. Ah, it's sort of

6:38

the family business and then I decided

6:40

to sort of figure out our family

6:42

history and became the family historian. Thank

6:45

you very much. All right so let's

6:47

meet our second. Or third

6:49

Merck Smith Smith season

6:51

since his cell phone

6:53

camera and sign on

6:55

more Smith and I

6:57

am a surface historian

6:59

and I work with

7:01

an amazingly giant amount

7:03

of surface material from

7:05

of a theme voice

7:07

over One Hundred Sizzle

7:09

Move say. Right then. Letting

7:20

the. Surface

7:23

March screamers. Might you be

7:25

sharing? Recess. I

7:27

don't know about surface marches.

7:29

Bomb happen to stream Happy

7:31

time. It. Is indeed And that

7:33

is when we put our experts. I

7:35

must have seen all the answers he

7:37

since since Lisa Bloom us we put

7:40

on the past the first. Miranda

7:42

Young because her Er nurses

7:44

are am lie which reminds

7:46

me of the word my

7:48

and the word My as

7:51

part of my favorite phrase.

7:53

what's your favorite phrase my

7:55

oh my Look, what's the

7:57

giraffe drag? Their successes. Wow.

8:00

Change it to the elephant. Yeah.

8:02

My, oh my, look what the

8:04

elephant dragged in. Nice.

8:07

It works both ways. Ethan,

8:09

what is your first question for Miranda?

8:12

Miranda. How did the

8:14

circus get me? The

8:16

circus got its name from the word

8:18

circle, which I guess makes a lot

8:20

of sense. The circus

8:22

has always been very proud of its center

8:24

of the ring heritage. So

8:27

it comes from the Latin word for circle. Okay.

8:30

First of all, what makes you

8:32

a circus expert? Okay. Who

8:35

would like to take that question? I certainly

8:37

can. My

8:39

family's always been performing in the

8:41

circus since after World War II.

8:43

My grandparents joined the circus and

8:46

it sort of just trickled down and

8:48

every generation picked it up as

8:51

a variety of things. Circus performers,

8:53

as trainers, and as crew

8:55

members. Mark,

8:57

what makes you a circus expert?

9:00

Well, for 11 years,

9:02

I've been working with that

9:05

amazing circus collection and

9:07

we get asked about the

9:09

circus from people all over the

9:12

world. And I've

9:14

written a book with a

9:16

co-author about the trapeze. And

9:19

on top of that, where I live

9:22

was the trapeze capital of the

9:24

world. What? It was.

9:26

Out of necessity, like, are there a lot of

9:28

bridges that are out? I

9:31

live in Bloomington, Illinois, right

9:34

in the middle of the country. And

9:37

strangely enough, some grade school age

9:40

kids started practicing at

9:42

a gymnasium in the 1800s. And

9:45

they got good enough to become trapeze stars.

9:49

And they went with the circus and then it

9:51

just continued to keep happening in this community.

9:55

And lots of centering stars come from

9:57

Bloomington normal. Yes, I live in Bloomington,

9:59

Norway. Is there a Bloomington Abnormal Illinois? That

10:04

would really be the name. That's our secret name.

10:06

That can't be true. Miranda,

10:11

how do you train

10:13

elephants for the circus?

10:15

Elephants are fun because they're super

10:17

smart. They're very intelligent and they love

10:19

people. So they

10:21

listen really well and they're pretty easy to

10:24

train with food. They're

10:26

very food driven. So you can feed in

10:28

elephant peanuts. That's how I train

10:30

Deborah, right Deborah? I do like peanuts. Good

10:33

girl. Good girl, Deborah.

10:37

Mark, are you afraid of clowns? Oh,

10:39

that's a tough one. I am

10:41

not afraid of clowns, but

10:43

I totally understand why people might be afraid of

10:46

clowns. Why? Why do you think people are afraid

10:48

of clowns? The makeup. Really?

10:52

The pies. They're always throwing pies at

10:54

people. Is

10:57

that why, Mark? People don't like pies? It's

10:59

possible. Maybe you're allergic to

11:01

pie. I

11:03

think it's also the idea that someone's

11:06

hiding their face. Done.

11:08

Done. The

11:10

fact that you don't know exactly what

11:13

the person is underneath all of that.

11:16

So putting on a happy clown face

11:18

or a sad clown face, or hopefully

11:21

not, a terrifying

11:23

clown face, it could be the nicest

11:26

person or the scariest person underneath. You

11:28

never know. You never know. And that's what

11:30

makes them scary, maybe. There are

11:32

all different kinds of clowns. And

11:35

so some clowns are silent. And

11:38

silent clowns might sneak up on

11:40

you. Deborah, there are

11:42

10 clowns behind you right

11:44

now. What?

11:46

Where? No, there

11:48

are not. No,

11:51

there are 20. There's 20. Okay,

11:55

this question for both of you was, where

11:57

is Cindy? You have learned about circuses. The

12:00

weirdest thing. All right, who would like to start?

12:03

I can go if you'd like. Go ahead. So

12:06

the weirdest thing that I learned about

12:08

circuses might be the

12:10

most boring. Oh. Is

12:13

that circuses are a business. Oh.

12:16

It takes

12:20

a lot of effort to move a

12:22

circus from place to place. Yeah. And

12:25

to orchestrate sometimes thousands of

12:27

people working on a show

12:29

and to get that show up in

12:31

the morning and down at night and on

12:35

the tracks if you're moving on a train to

12:37

the next town. And all

12:39

of the paperwork. We have so

12:42

much paperwork on the circus, you'd

12:45

be shocked. That does sound boring. Wow.

12:48

What about you, Miranda? What's the weirdest thing

12:50

you ever learned about circuses? I think the

12:53

weirdest thing I've learned is that while

12:55

like the circus is a pretty old,

12:58

you know, it's been around for over 200 years. But

13:01

juggling is one of the actual

13:03

oldest tricks in the book. People

13:06

have been juggling since the

13:08

ancient Mesopotamians. Ooh. What

13:10

do they juggle? Did they have like rubber

13:13

balls to juggle or were they juggling

13:15

lions or what? Chainsaws.

13:19

Who knows? Because it's all in paintings.

13:21

We didn't have videos. We

13:23

don't have videos of the ancient Egyptians,

13:25

but there are pictures of them, you

13:28

know, holding multiple objects and throwing them

13:30

in the air. And it is very

13:32

possible that they were juggling. Wow.

13:36

Mark, what would you do if you're in

13:38

charge of the circus? Ooh. Wow.

13:43

That would be a dream, first of all.

13:45

If I were in charge of the circus,

13:47

I would make sure that there were lots

13:49

of trapeze acts at the beginning

13:52

of the show and at the end of the

13:54

show. It would be bookended by trapeze. Someone

13:57

would try for the quadruple

13:59

somersault. That's the most

14:01

that it's ever been done. I love

14:03

the trapeze Again, I come

14:06

from the trapeze capital of the world at one

14:08

time It's in the air here

14:10

only for a little bit than someone else catches

14:12

it Have

14:15

you ever been on a trapeze mark? Oh,

14:17

no. No that won't happen. I See

14:22

scary. Yeah, I Heights

14:25

are not my thing too scary I can

14:27

write about them and research

14:29

them but never ever

14:31

ever I see Okay,

14:35

both of you. Can you do any

14:37

magic tricks or acrobat trips that you

14:39

can see at the circus? Hmm

14:43

When I was a kid, I Learned

14:46

some trapeze tricks. I was never

14:48

a performer, but I did learn

14:50

some trapeze tricks Well,

14:52

I think that my circus act would be what

14:55

some people here in town did

14:58

they went into management That's

15:01

where the real money was gotcha They used

15:03

to say that they would get up on

15:06

the pedestal board when they were getting ready

15:08

to do their trapeze act and

15:10

they Would count the house this and just

15:12

they would know exactly how much money was

15:14

being made And so that's

15:16

they could go ask for a raise because they knew

15:18

that the house had been good Wow That

15:22

would be my trick making the money All

15:25

right Here's a question You hear a

15:27

lot of times people always threaten to

15:29

run away and join the circus and

15:31

I want to know If

15:33

that's something that really happens and if

15:35

that turns out well for them Anybody

15:38

I mean, that's essentially

15:40

what my grandparents did. I

15:42

don't know what they were running away from

15:44

necessarily They just decided they want to

15:47

take the show on the road It

15:49

worked out great because now our whole family is performers

15:52

and people working for the circus and

15:54

training and you know it's in our

15:56

blood now, So it's a good option.

15:59

So yeah, so. In If you

16:01

ever just get frustrated with Live

16:03

For. You. Know things get you down.

16:05

You could just run away and joined the circus

16:07

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16:10

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18:30

as they can before time runs out. So

18:34

experts, it'll be a fast trip

18:36

down the midway. Ethan, let's

18:38

start with Miranda. Okay,

18:41

you can ask Miranda your

18:43

Shorts on Fire questions now.

18:46

Okay. What

18:48

year did the Shorts get started in the U.S.?

18:51

1793. What is the name

18:54

of the theme organ that

18:56

plays music after Shorts? Called

18:59

a Calliope. Back

19:01

to our vids. The flying Shorts fly

19:03

is an Australian or a Shorts or

19:06

Trained Shorts. That

19:08

is true. What do you

19:11

call the person who starts candy after Shorts

19:13

is an carnal? That

19:15

is called Sugar Master. My best

19:17

friend. What

19:20

does any cheese That

19:33

is called Cranthing. If

19:36

you're wearing a giraffe and

19:38

a circus, what are you really

19:40

saying? That's a

19:42

word used for a unicycle. And

19:46

that is time. Oh, the

19:49

time is up. Lisa, will you please

19:51

restart The timer for Mark? My,

19:53

oh my, look what the giraffe

19:55

dragged in. It's a restart of

19:57

the timer. Get

20:00

our hands. Sorry Elvis. Okay,

20:03

He. Said you can search

20:05

your questions for Mars. Now.

20:09

Mean. Weird place in

20:12

the searched all birds

20:14

fly in asked be

20:17

high wire act and

20:20

own. Power. Since

20:23

hurry and march when two

20:25

people in the surplus car

20:28

thefts that would be a

20:30

downer. Her once you call

20:32

the earlier was removed get

20:34

rooted for sure. That was

20:37

these a back yard. Is

20:40

our one ring? Boring.

20:45

Man who belong to one

20:47

school of law. And

20:50

I'm allergic to cats. A certain

20:53

i mean sword swallowing playing for

20:55

all kinds sources close whoop ass.

20:57

That would be the Gamma Fi

21:00

Circus or and that is as

21:02

the the one Toy State University.

21:07

And that is time. Has all

21:10

the time we have. Okay, I'm sorry. Club. I

21:12

went so fast it was as if our experts

21:14

were getting shot at if I can and. Now

21:23

it it's decision time.

21:26

And messenger those are the facts and

21:29

figures. Who is? Ours circus expert

21:31

and who is clowning around? He

21:34

then who is our big

21:36

ciber. Mine

21:38

who moran. Is

21:41

why do. You. Think Miranda is our

21:44

saber. Seen

21:46

since since faster.

21:48

And more. He. Says he answered them

21:50

faster so that makes her a liar. Young

21:53

teachers, insulin, Mom

21:56

I've never heard that explains American.

21:58

I like them. They always.

22:01

Will the actual circus

22:03

expert please tell us

22:05

who you are? Because

22:08

they will see me Mark

22:10

Smith. Said.

22:12

Well season that the I emerged

22:15

as a senior sashless. His collection

22:17

as as Illinois is a pretty

22:19

milner library and he's also the

22:22

so author of a book about

22:24

trap these performers in the golden

22:26

age of aerial is amazing. Well

22:29

done even it is in time

22:31

for some fact checking. Mark

22:33

where their facts that Miranda share

22:35

that works and tore sins of

22:37

the truth. Oh just see or

22:39

promote want me to so you

22:42

This Miranda's answers were so convincing

22:44

Some me that is clouded. My

22:46

mom had a dead giveaway. With

22:48

dead giveaway is that a surface

22:50

person would call that seem or

22:52

him a cow. You. Are

22:55

not a calliope? A Kallio? Oh

22:58

not at once a spell the

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same but it's announcing Sally Oh

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interesting. very good. Or a left.

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Turn it to Miranda Which back

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did you tell us That were

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pure grandstanding? Ah, the person who

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says candy at the circus is

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not the Superman sir. The club's

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the Sandy Blitzer. Hey the I

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dance moves that horses do is

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very good. And what about?

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You know Mars about the flying fruit flies?

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Circus in Australia. I am

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I will tell you are said. It

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