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Big Fib. That's now our name.

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The Big Fib. The show's still

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the same. The Big Fib. Let's

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play the game. The Big Fib.

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We're still on fire. Bustin' wires.

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But now, The Big Fib. From

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The Big Fib. And now

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Welcome to The Big Fib, the

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the intelligent and friendly bio-indicators of

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truth and

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the breathless, snotty blowholes of

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lies. I'm

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your host, Deborah Goldstein, and in the

1:41

studio today is our sound effects robot,

1:44

Lisa, whose name stands for live in

1:46

studio audience. Lisa,

1:52

are you clipping your toenails?

1:55

Yes, yes, I am. Well,

1:58

that's kind of disgusting. Yeah, Yeah. It

2:00

would be if I had human

2:02

toenails. Can you imagine if you

2:04

were clubbing your old it's human

2:07

male cells right here in the

2:09

studio? Over that would be discussing

2:11

this I am simply d tampering

2:14

of great for thirty stainless steel

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access at the edges of my

2:18

and defectors or as you would

2:20

call them robotic hands. Your.

2:22

Simple human optics translate

2:24

this operation as nail

2:27

clipping, but it's a

2:29

much finer procedure than

2:31

that. Fascinating. Okay, oh

2:33

he would have to finish have after

2:35

the South. So can you please tell

2:37

us how our game works? Listen,

2:39

here's how assume ago every week we bring

2:41

on to grown ups. One is an expert,

2:43

the other is a liar. And it's the

2:45

job of a human child to help us

2:48

figure out who was who. But it's no,

2:50

it's not a liar. Better than a kid.

2:52

That was nice. We have such as a

2:54

whole premise. What are we lying about that

2:56

I never have. We. Are lying

2:59

about dolphins? Highly explosive

3:01

mom of a little water. The breathe

3:03

air from a park. Or possesses

3:05

the Southwest the you know about. Self.

3:07

And oh, I know that dolphins are

3:10

highly intelligent mammals that live in water.

3:12

As a said that, ah well. I

3:14

also know that they breathe air from

3:16

it's bout at the top of their

3:19

heads. Okay, I'm guessing you're going to

3:21

learn a lot about dolphins today, so

3:23

let's start learning about our contestants. Were not

3:25

going to learn anything else about dolphins until I

3:27

tell you about are contested. That's exactly and

3:30

forget it's Lisa. Please tell us

3:32

about our contestants who they. Are

3:35

human child can deaths in isn't

3:37

a year old who. Great comic

3:40

series. Joaquin Michael. How

3:43

are you know very well Thank

3:46

you for asking sees me as

3:48

tell us about these comic series

3:50

what are they on some is

3:53

still one is kudzu percent trying

3:55

sense cause bakery bad stare at

3:57

all since with said eyes. and

4:01

mouths and capes, but they don't

4:03

have legs or hands. So

4:05

just to be clear, you go around

4:07

the house with a marker and you

4:10

draw big eyes on food. I

4:12

draw the eyes on the paper

4:14

and then draw the food. Okay,

4:16

okay, okay. So you don't draw on the food.

4:18

No, that would just be mean to

4:20

the food. Good point. Food abuse. Food

4:22

abuse. All

4:24

right, Joaquin, we want to learn a few

4:27

more fun facts about you, but we're

4:29

going to do it playing our big fib

4:31

game, Two Truths and a Lie. You are

4:33

going to tell us three facts about yourself

4:36

and we have to guess which one of

4:38

those facts is actually a lie. Joaquin,

4:41

what are your three facts? I'm

4:44

allergic to plants. I

4:46

wore winter boots every day for

4:48

two years. I once broke

4:51

my arm. Oh my gosh. Well, what do you

4:53

think, Lisa? All right, he claims.

4:56

What was the first one? I'm

4:58

allergic to plants. Well, okay, that

5:00

can't be true because I know

5:02

there are plants. And then if

5:05

there were plants, which there are,

5:07

then he would be sneezing right

5:09

now and just covered in gross human

5:11

snot. So I don't even have to

5:13

go through the other ones because there

5:15

are plants and because he says he's

5:17

allergic to them and because he's not

5:19

sneezing, then that therefore is

5:22

the lie. I see. I

5:24

don't think I was following. Type of

5:26

plants. You

5:29

didn't say that. Well, let's see.

5:31

Let's reveal. Joaquin, which one of

5:33

those facts is actually a lie?

5:35

I never broke my arm. Oh,

5:37

thank goodness. But that means

5:39

that you are allergic to plants? Certain

5:42

types. I see. Like

5:44

when I'm camping, some

5:46

types of plants make me get a

5:48

rash. Oh, I see. Oh,

5:51

like boys and Ivy? Yeah. Oh.

5:54

Correct. That's what I thought it

5:56

started with. That's how you knew you were

5:59

allergic to plants. Not very many people

6:01

fool Lisa. So I think... I

6:03

just want to... No, I am making an

6:05

official complaint with the True Tooth and a

6:07

Lie Committee. I think

6:09

I was misled and I

6:11

am making an official complaint. I'm going to

6:13

submit it on Monday. Okay. Well,

6:16

your ticket will be reviewed once we receive it. Thank

6:18

you very much. Okay. All

6:20

right. So our first access is

6:22

Nick Tien. Nick, please introduce

6:24

yourself to Joaquin. Hi Joaquin. My name

6:27

is Nick Tien. I'm an

6:29

expert on the evolution of marine mammals,

6:31

including dolphins. Thank you very

6:33

much, Nick. Let's meet

6:35

our second expert, Yvette Zorich.

6:38

Yvette, please introduce yourself to

6:40

Joaquin. Hi Joaquin. My

6:42

name is Yvette Zorich and I'm an aquatic

6:44

vet at the Cincinnati Zoo. Wow. All

6:47

right. Thank you very much. Thank you.

6:50

I hear the sound waves of signature whistles. Then

6:56

I think you

6:59

need to get your hearing tested because I'm playing my

7:01

fan favorite file

7:09

to let you know. It's hot

7:11

seat time. That is correct.

7:13

That's when we put our experts on the

7:16

hot seat while they answer Joaquin's questions. Lisa.

7:19

Should we put on the hot seat first? Nick

7:21

Py-son because he's the son of

7:24

Pi and I love Pi. Nick,

7:27

say hi to your parents for me.

7:29

Hi, Pi. That's a good reason. I

7:31

like that reason. Okay. So

7:33

Joaquin, go ahead with your first

7:36

question for Nick. Nick, what made

7:38

you work with dolphins? Oh,

7:40

wow. So

7:42

I guess it was kind of a fluke.

7:47

No, tough audience here, man. I

7:52

think they're really interesting animals

7:54

that Tell us a

7:57

lot about how biology works when...

8:00

If you have a mammal that lives

8:02

in the water, how they swim, how

8:04

they eat, how they breeze. I think

8:06

those are all really interesting questions. and

8:08

as a scientist that's kind of what

8:10

you do is answer questions about how

8:12

life is a good. Fourteen.

8:15

Take it away, this one's for

8:17

a that oh what straight still

8:19

dolphins have that last people don't

8:22

know about. Oh. They can

8:24

eat lollipops am I love?

8:26

And who posts things. As.

8:29

I don't know what that is that I'm pretty sure

8:31

that is incorrect. Suicide was a hit. Nine is.

8:34

Such a dog lover of

8:37

those This. Er et les here

8:39

it is that has to say well

8:41

actually my favorite trade about dolphins is

8:43

that they love their mothers seat when

8:45

the babies are with their mom because

8:47

they follow right under them and it's

8:49

very sweet and charm and also say

8:52

never to their food they just saw

8:54

it in their time discussing also but

8:56

don't they have teeth so they do

8:58

have teeth or but they just swallow

9:00

everything whole and signal at down and

9:02

it's very attractive but very funny. They

9:05

have kids but they don't care about

9:07

t. V. Don't care about I

9:09

need to know they don't have time for

9:11

t Things are just boring for Lm example:

9:14

Of your dolls and you're like oh

9:16

to these weird things in my mouth

9:18

heard filter a system that. They

9:22

assist assist. The such

9:25

simple says you. Can. Zip

9:27

code that. Your job work at

9:29

work. Looks like Florio. Who would

9:31

like to start again? Ladies First

9:33

suggests: Okay this is so I

9:35

go straight into usually the dolphins.

9:37

I'd make sure that their water

9:40

is clean I see them. I

9:42

take their vital to make sure

9:44

that everyone is. Up

9:46

to date and good. I'd give them their vitamins

9:48

and then I also go and take care of

9:51

the otters. and then I take care of the

9:53

sea lions as of my order of the day.

9:55

You know they express and dolphins

9:57

before sea lions as I didn't

9:59

know. know that expression. I don't think

10:01

that's a thing. Well

10:05

you guys need to read more

10:07

aquatic mammal blogs. Clearly.

10:10

So I don't have a normal

10:13

day at work. I work at a museum

10:15

and we have a lot of the bones

10:17

of dolphins that some

10:20

of which unfortunately stranded on a

10:22

beach and we get to collect

10:25

their skeleton or if

10:27

you find their fossils you get to put

10:30

their fossils into a museum. So we study

10:32

a lot of the details of their

10:34

anatomy and try to reconstruct and

10:37

know something about how they lived. And

10:39

I also have colleagues who study

10:41

living dolphins and they use a

10:43

whole bunch of different technology to

10:46

do that. People are even

10:48

using drones these days to

10:50

get a bird's-eye view of the

10:53

lives of these animals. This

10:56

runs for both of you. Tell

10:59

me something embarrassing that happened to you

11:01

during your job. Embarrassing? Oh my, okay.

11:05

I think I'll go first because it's really embarrassing.

11:07

You know the one thing in a museum you're

11:09

supposed to take care of the specimens and

11:12

you want to make sure that

11:14

other people can look at them in the future.

11:16

I know where this is waiting. Oh you

11:18

do? I think I might.

11:21

So what happened, and this happened a few

11:23

times, I have broken

11:26

a specimen or two and

11:29

the worst was taking

11:32

a photo of a specimen and

11:34

I had it all kind of staged

11:36

up and it rolled off the

11:38

table and shattered on the floor.

11:43

And the worst thing was it

11:45

wasn't even the specimen that belonged

11:47

to our museum's collection, it

11:49

belonged to a colleague. So

11:51

I, boy, if you've

11:53

ever felt embarrassed and ashamed,

11:56

that was a moment. Yeah.

12:00

Glue to fix it. Yeah, I always one of

12:02

the things I say is there's you know Glue

12:05

there's always glue Every

12:08

problem Glue

12:11

they would use it all the time. I would

12:13

have no I broke my bone. Let's use glue

12:18

Can glue fix glue shortages Oh

12:23

If you don't have any glue glue can't

12:25

fix that. Yeah, that's true I got you.

12:27

Hmm. If the world falls

12:29

apart, let's just use glue. Yeah.

12:31

Yeah, that is embarrassing I'm sorry

12:33

clearly that haunts you to this day Nick. So

12:35

I am sorry. I learned my luck. Yeah. Yeah,

12:38

good I'm glad to hear it. Yvette. How

12:40

about you? Oh, this was

12:42

my first day in the job I

12:44

was getting a tour and I wanted to make a good

12:46

impression So I was wearing a very cute

12:48

dress and these very cute heels and

12:50

they took me across we had these

12:52

metal braids across the

12:55

tanks and as I

12:57

was walking across the grade my

12:59

heel got stuck and I fell

13:02

into the dolphin tank I

13:06

fell all the way in completely. So oh

13:09

my god They let me go home and change but I

13:12

was the new girl and everyone knew who I

13:14

was in the entire zoo Oh, no,

13:16

yeah, very cool. Why you never he'll

13:18

wear heels and I haven't sent a

13:20

new job No, that

13:22

works with any feel of

13:25

life You'll

13:27

always trip on something then fall into the

13:29

tank every we are learning so much Great

13:32

life lessons. I have to say in

13:34

this episode. Thank you. Both of you.

13:37

What do they do? That makes them

13:39

so smart. Do they have big brains?

13:41

Mmm, they do math Like

13:44

make a waterproof pen So

13:47

Waterproof paper and then write on it

13:50

write math questions and then see if

13:52

they can answer the math question So

13:54

yes, I think all of that leads

13:56

up to the big grand question. What

13:59

is it? that makes dolphin so smart,

14:01

right Joaquin? That's what we wanna know. Very

14:03

good, okay, take it away experts. I think

14:05

it's because they have big

14:07

brains and they live complex lives,

14:09

a lot like us. And

14:13

scientists have actually done tests to look

14:15

and see if they can recognize themselves

14:17

in the mirror. That's a

14:19

test that we think a lot of the

14:21

smartest animals can pass. How do you

14:23

know they're recognizing themselves? Do they wave at

14:26

themselves? Hey, I know you. They tag

14:28

themselves on Instagram. Those

14:30

are all the easy answers. What they do is

14:32

they mark, they do a

14:34

test where they use a marker that can

14:36

be seen underwater and they touch the dolphin

14:38

on their head and then they see if

14:41

the dolphin then goes to the mirror to look at itself

14:43

in the mirror and kind of look for that and mark.

14:46

Cool. Yeah, it's kind of a neat experiment.

14:48

And Yvette, do you have

14:50

any examples of dolphins behaving

14:52

in an intelligent way?

14:55

What I think is really awesome in

14:57

showing of dolphins is they're very empathetic.

15:00

If they have another injured dolphin in

15:02

their pod, they will take

15:04

care of it, which is really, not all animals do

15:06

that. A lot of times they will just leave

15:08

the sick or injured animal, because it'll bring

15:11

down the herd. But dolphins will actually take

15:13

care of the elderly and the injured and

15:15

the babies, which is like, really,

15:17

I think a human trait. And they do have huge

15:19

brains. Oh, this is for both of

15:22

you. Did you name any dolphins

15:24

that you worked with? For Nick,

15:26

did you name any dolphin skeletons? Yeah,

15:28

I did, actually. That's a great question. Really? Yeah,

15:32

with some colleagues, we named

15:35

a species of extinct river

15:37

dolphins. And we named

15:39

it Isminia panamensis, because

15:41

it was found in the country of Panama.

15:44

But I was meaning selected to

15:46

name them like Gary or... Yeah,

15:50

I think everybody has their own pet name for

15:52

it. But yeah. Izzy.

15:55

Yeah, I... Chaz. Chad.

16:00

That's like the, I

16:02

guess we don't really give

16:04

pet names in the museum world for a lot

16:06

of our specimens. You

16:08

should sometimes. Yeah, you kind of

16:10

lose, you get bored for sure. And

16:12

then you'd lose, it'd be hard, harder

16:14

to organize it. Find a dolphin, find

16:16

a dolphin skull, make it talk and

16:18

say, hello, I'm getting it. Oh, I do that

16:20

all the time. I just don't share it with

16:23

the public. I

16:25

personally have not named any of

16:27

the creatures at our zoo. Unfortunately,

16:30

they've all been here since I started,

16:32

but that is one of my

16:34

goals. Maybe we'll have some baby dolphins

16:36

and I'll get to name one. What should I

16:39

name one? Chaz! Hey,

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questions as they can before time runs out.

18:41

Experts take a deep breath before

18:43

you dive into this round. Alright

18:45

Joaquin, let's start with Nick. You're

18:47

going to ask your Shorts on

18:49

Fire questions now. How

18:52

many species of dolphins are there? Dozens

18:54

and dozens. I think there's over 40 species.

18:57

How do dolphins stay warm in

18:59

cold water? Well, dolphins are

19:01

mammals so they already have warm

19:04

body temperature and they also have

19:06

a lower bladder to keep them

19:08

warm. On which part of the dolphin's

19:10

head can you find the blowhole? Ooh,

19:12

right on the top. It's kind of in

19:14

between the eyes which is really different from

19:16

most mammals. Which dolphin can you find in

19:19

the Arctic? There's a few you can find

19:21

in the Arctic but I think the classic

19:23

one is probably going to be a beluga

19:25

or even a narwhal. Do dolphins see colors?

19:28

I think dolphins have lost the ability to

19:31

see color. I don't think they have those

19:33

cones in their retinas. What is the

19:35

difference between a dolphin and a porpoise?

19:38

Dolphins have a snout that's more like a

19:40

beak and porpoises have a rounded face. They

19:43

also have different shaped teeth. Dolphins have

19:45

more peg-like teeth and porpoises have blade-like

19:48

teeth. That

19:50

is time! That's all. Listen, no

19:53

more time, okay? You're being greedy. No more

19:55

time. Very good. Okay, we

19:57

are going to reset the timer, Lisa.

20:00

Uh, you know what? It was on my to-do list. I'll

20:02

move it up. Let's do it now. Okay,

20:04

Joaquin, please ask

20:07

Yvette your shorts on

20:09

fire questions now. How

20:12

long can dolphins stay underwater? That's a

20:14

good one. Most dolphins can stay underwater

20:16

about four hours. What do you

20:18

call a baby dolphin? A calf,

20:20

but I call them cute. Which

20:23

playful dolphins earn their names for

20:25

the high-jumping twirls they take out

20:27

of the water? The Australian boomerang

20:29

dolphin. They're very awesome. Dolphins are

20:32

the messengers of which Greek god?

20:35

Poseidon. I was going to say Aquaman,

20:37

but it's Poseidon. How

20:40

do dolphins sleep in the water without

20:42

drowning? So, like I said before, they can

20:44

hold their breath for about four hours. So

20:46

they usually sleep about four hours. They come back

20:49

up, they eat a little bit, and then they

20:51

go back under and sleep about another

20:53

four hours. What is another word for

20:55

a dolphin's jaw? Oh,

20:58

it's a snoot. Can we pet dolphins?

21:01

Definitely not in the wild. There are some

21:03

places, like I said before, that you can

21:05

feed dolphins and swim with dolphins, but only

21:07

when there's a trainer there to advise

21:09

it. And that is

21:11

time. That's all the time, okay? Whoo,

21:13

whoo is right. My goodness, excellent. One

21:15

of you is a definitive

21:19

expert. Okay, sorry. Mm-hmm.

21:28

It is decision time. It's time

21:30

to discover whose facts were more

21:32

like flukes. What

21:35

team? Who do

21:37

you think is our big fibber?

21:40

Nick. Why

21:42

do you think Nick is our

21:45

fibber? Yeah, what's up? Because he

21:47

said something about his jaw being

21:49

science, like being

21:51

a scientist about dolphins.

21:55

Studying dolphins, but then he said

21:58

he works at a museum. Mmm.

22:02

And so everything else after that was

22:04

just nonsense. Yes. Okay.

22:08

Okay. Very

22:11

good. All right. Will the

22:13

actual dolphins expert please tell

22:15

us who you are? It's

22:19

me actually. Oh. That

22:23

is correct. Nick Pyenson is a

22:25

paleontologist, which is a scientist who

22:27

studies how dolphins and other marine

22:30

mammals evolved. Oh dear.

22:34

Yeah. We're going to cover all those facts though.

22:36

So Nick, what lies did

22:38

a vet spout? Oh,

22:40

the boomerang dolphin was great. That was

22:42

a quality one. It's a spinner dolphin,

22:44

I think is the one that you're

22:47

talking about. That's right. That's correct. The

22:49

dolphin that jumps up really high and twirls

22:51

around is the spinner dolphin. Good one. And

22:54

Nick, can you explain to us this

22:56

disconnect between science and museums? Yeah.

22:59

So I work at the Smithsonian's National Museum

23:01

of Natural History here in Washington, D.C. So

23:04

the Smithsonian has 150

23:06

million things, objects. A

23:09

lot of them are museum specimens,

23:11

including skeletons of dolphins that

23:13

have washed up. We keep

23:15

their skeletons because they're really useful for

23:17

a variety of questions, including questions that

23:19

we may not have asked. And

23:22

that's why we keep all these things because people

23:24

can still find them useful in the future. And

23:27

my specialty is looking at their evolution

23:29

by looking for their fossils. And you

23:31

broke some of the fossils? Yeah. I'm

23:33

ashamed to admit it. Oh my god.

23:37

Kids know that adults make mistakes sometimes

23:39

and they fess to it, you

23:41

know? True. But if anybody then

23:43

tunes into the podcast and they find out, will

23:45

you be fired the next day? He

23:47

fired the internet. I didn't

23:50

do it. My student did. Yvette,

23:54

tell us what lies you told that

23:56

would make anyone blubber. under

24:00

water for four hours they can only stay under

24:02

water for like 20 minutes oh

24:05

no well then how do they sleep then

24:07

they don't so they like shut down half

24:09

of their brain and the other half stays

24:11

awake and they like watch from like one

24:14

eye but yeah it's only

24:16

like 20 minutes that's creepy wow I

24:18

would have thought that was a lie that's pretty

24:20

cool so it's like sleep

24:23

go up eat sleep

24:25

go up eat the

24:29

dolphins jaw is not called a snoot oh yeah I

24:31

just think it's a really I

24:33

called my dog snoot but

24:36

oh and then there the reason why they

24:38

what happens when they get scarred I think

24:41

they like regenerate really well but I just said

24:43

they turned pink and I didn't really know I

24:45

thought that was a great lie yeah their bellies turn

24:47

pink that's right

24:49

they're cells regenerate so cells regenerate

24:52

really quickly and to go back to the

24:54

jaw a dolphin's jaw is called a do

24:56

you know the snoot mandible I mean

24:58

there's a lower jaw no the mandible

25:00

that's very specific I was term yeah

25:02

or he is kind of the general

25:05

yeah that's pro-term yeah you use Nick

25:07

you actually called it a beacon like

25:10

oh I just call this

25:12

newt all

25:14

right well it's time to

25:16

come up to the surface now thanks

25:19

to our contestant Joaquin who used echolocation

25:21

to track lies and thank you to

25:23

our expert and liar Nick and Yvette

25:26

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