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Hi everyone, it's Deborah. And I wanted to

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let you know that Lisa and I have

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had a great time scrolling through the super

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sweet comments that you've left us. Thank

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you for all of your kind words

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1:49

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Two people claim to know everything

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3:03

This is a bonus

3:06

episode of Pants on Fire. This

3:08

week, another thrilling edition of our new

3:10

game, Wacky Kacky's. And now, here's your

3:13

host and the woman who stole my

3:15

french fries. No, I did not. Deborah

3:17

Goldstein. Hello and welcome to Pants on

3:19

Fire, and here beside me on the

3:22

ones and twos accusing me of stealing

3:24

his french fries is our sound effects

3:26

robot, Lisa, whose name stands for live

3:28

in studio audience. You did steal my

3:30

french fries. How can you say that? You have

3:33

a mouthful of french fries right now. Those

3:37

are someone else's french fries. I

3:39

stole them because you stole mine.

3:41

Lisa, for the last time, I did not

3:43

steal your fries. Then where did

3:45

they go? Is it possible that you ate

3:47

them? I don't think so.

3:49

We shouldn't be eating french fries right

3:52

now anyway, because we're doing the podcast. Do

3:54

you think you could just explain to everyone

3:56

how our game works? Spoken like

3:58

a true french fry thief. No.

4:00

Every time we play wacky candy,

4:03

Deborah and I each tell one

4:05

crazy story about the world. One

4:07

of our stories is true, and the other one

4:09

is lies lies stolen from us.

4:12

Oh my goodness. And it's the job of

4:14

a human child to tell which one is

4:16

which. And with us, as always,

4:18

to keep things fair and square and to watch

4:21

out for fry stealing. Nice job,

4:23

by the way. Is our producer, Noah.

4:26

Hello, Lisa. Hello, Deborah. Sorry

4:28

to report that I can't seem to resolve

4:30

the French fry controversy. I

4:32

didn't see who took what. I am missing my own

4:34

French fries, though. Oh, get over it. Lisa,

4:38

can you please introduce our

4:41

contestants for this episode? Our

4:44

human child contestants. We got two of them. One

4:47

is Levi. You might know him as

4:49

the son of Deborah. Hello. And

4:52

we have Gabby. You will hear her soon

4:55

on an upcoming episode about him. Hi.

4:59

Hey, Gabby. Hey, Levi. How are you guys doing?

5:01

Good. Thanks. Oh, does

5:03

one of you. Oh, the other one a Coke?

5:05

Nah, I'd rather ginger ale. Well, those aren't the

5:07

rules, bro. They are now.

5:09

No, that's not the rules of janks. Somebody definitely

5:11

owes me some fries. No, I'll be there.

5:15

Definitely Lisa. I should have

5:17

stolen your ketchup. I mean, never mind. Well,

5:20

I guess we found out the thief. No. I

5:23

saw that Lisa ate like five

5:25

boxes of French fries. So that

5:28

leaves Deborah not

5:30

guilty. Thank you. Yeah,

5:32

but I only ate the boxes, not

5:34

the French fries. What do we do now? Okay,

5:38

team. It's time to play wacky

5:40

khakis. Deborah and Lisa

5:42

will each have a minute and change

5:44

to tell their stories before the timer

5:47

sounds. We flipped a coin

5:49

and Lisa has elected to go third. I

5:51

told him that wasn't an option because there

5:53

are only two stories. Then he asked to

5:55

go fourth, at which point I decided to

5:57

just stop arguing and say yes. I

5:59

got to go. Congratulations.

6:01

Thank you. Deborah, that means

6:03

you're up first. Our theme

6:05

this week is In Fraud

6:08

We Trust. Feeling ready, Deborah?

6:10

You better believe it. Okay. Listen

6:12

up carefully, Levi and Gabby. Deborah,

6:15

your timer will begin now. Okay.

6:20

There are many different paths to

6:22

achieving the American dream of

6:25

great wealth. The most

6:27

successful strategy is, well, it's just to be

6:29

born rich. And if you can't do that,

6:31

you can always try your luck at hard

6:34

work and persistence. And if that doesn't work

6:36

well, there's a third way, damn artistry.

6:39

The most famous and successful swindler

6:42

in American history was a New

6:44

Yorker by the name of George

6:46

C. Parker. His scheme was to

6:49

convince people to quote unquote buy

6:51

the city's most famous landmark, the

6:54

Brooklyn Bridge. Legend has it that

6:56

over a 30-year period beginning in

6:58

the late 1800s, Parker sold the

7:00

Brooklyn Bridge hundreds

7:03

of times for anywhere between $50,000 and

7:05

$50,000. Of course, the bridge was not Parker's

7:10

to sell. It was owned by

7:12

the city of New York, but

7:14

George would draw up elaborate official-looking

7:16

receipts and convince wide-eyed immigrants that

7:18

if they bought the bridge from him,

7:20

they could make a fortune charging other

7:22

people's tolls to walk across it.

7:24

Of course, once the buyers tried

7:26

to set up their toll booths,

7:28

the police would take them down

7:31

and inform the poor, gullible, believing

7:33

individual that they did not, in

7:35

fact, own the Brooklyn Bridge, but

7:37

rather a very expensive and meaningless

7:39

piece of paper. By that point,

7:41

Parker would be long gone and

7:44

on his next mark. Parker also

7:46

sold Madison Square Garden, the Metropolitan

7:48

Museum of Art, and the Statue

7:50

of Liberty before being caught and

7:52

sentenced to life in prison in 1928.

7:55

In fact, he had already been caught

7:57

once before, 20 years earlier, a new

7:59

New Year's Day but had escaped

8:01

custody by putting on a hat

8:04

the sheriff had left in the

8:06

police station and confidently walking out

8:08

un-pursued, wishing all a Happy New

8:10

Year as he left. And

8:12

time. Thank you, Debra. Nicely

8:15

done. Levi, Gabby,

8:17

how did that story sound to

8:19

you? I already think it's fake.

8:22

Um, I also think it's kind of

8:24

fake because I don't think it sounds

8:26

pretty realistic, like all these people are

8:28

trying to sell different things. You mean

8:31

if I came up to you in New York and tried to

8:33

sell you the Brooklyn Bridge, you wouldn't be a buyer? I

8:35

wouldn't even be close to believing you even if

8:37

I was poor. What if

8:40

I offered you half price? Um, yeah. So

8:42

I wouldn't believe you. Alright. I

8:44

mean, no one person would just go up to someone and

8:46

say, hey, you want to own this very

8:48

famous place? Well, I guess

8:50

we'll find out. And also

8:52

I feel like it's kind of more

8:55

like, like more people would have known that they

8:57

would have known this would happen if

8:59

it was true. Also, no one could just

9:01

walk out of a police station with a

9:04

sheriff hat and say, oh, hi,

9:07

I'm important. I'm definitely

9:10

not just a criminal wearing

9:12

a hat and walk on out.

9:14

It does kind of sound like it's from a cartoon. Exactly.

9:17

Yeah, criminals don't even wear hats. Well,

9:21

now it's time for Lisa's

9:23

story of fraud and chicanery.

9:26

Are you ready, Lisa? Yeah, but

9:28

I thought I was going forth. But you are. We

9:30

just had to skip numbers two and three. Oh, good.

9:33

Great. Okay. Lisa, your

9:35

timer will begin now. If

9:39

you're listening to Pants on Fire,

9:41

you're probably a smart cookie, not

9:43

easily taken in by lies. Unfortunately,

9:46

I can't say the

9:48

same for listeners of Human Intelligence,

9:51

a podcast about government secrets that

9:53

once boasted 1.5 million

9:56

downloads per month. It was hosted

9:58

by an anonymous informant using to

10:00

alias Goldenrod. Human

10:02

Intelligence tantalized its listeners with

10:05

insider knowledge of the covert

10:07

operations of U.S. spy agencies.

10:10

The problem? It was all fake.

10:12

The bigger problem? Most of

10:15

the fake plots reported by Human Intelligence

10:17

were actually stolen from Hollywood movies, including

10:20

many of the early James Bond films.

10:22

But the podcast's most brazen lie was

10:25

actually lifted from the plot of the

10:27

2017 box office hit,

10:30

Fast Baby, in which

10:33

a one-year-old child played by Alex

10:35

Baldwin drinks a secret formula that

10:37

gives him the intelligent and ruthless

10:40

business instincts of a 50-year-old corporate

10:42

executive. Human Intelligence reported

10:44

that the U.S. government was developing

10:46

such a formula inside the top

10:49

secret Air Force base at Area

10:51

51, and had begun training super-intelligent

10:53

infant soldiers to carry out its

10:55

most sensitive mission. Sounds

10:57

ridiculous, of course, but the podcast's

10:59

faithful and gullible audience was willing

11:02

to buy it until one astute

11:04

listener realized that the purported head

11:06

of the operation at Area 51,

11:08

Francis E. Francis, had the same

11:10

name as the villain from Boss

11:12

Baby. Oh no. Oh my

11:14

gosh, I did not even notice that. Apparently,

11:17

Goldenrod had forgotten to change

11:19

the character's name before rebranding

11:21

the plagiarized storyline as a

11:23

state secret. After

11:25

the scandal went public, Goldenrod

11:28

seemingly disappeared. And although there

11:30

have been no new episodes of Human

11:32

Intelligence ever since, a Boss

11:34

Baby sequel is set to hit theaters

11:36

this April. Wait, really? And

11:42

time! Thank you, Lisa.

11:45

Okay, Gavi, Levi, what

11:47

did you think of Lisa's story? I thought it was true.

11:50

I thought it was way more

11:52

realistic than Debra's. Also, like,

11:55

I know Boss Baby is a movie. I know exactly

11:57

what happens. I know. I

11:59

do believe that. that human intelligence or

12:01

whatever it's called is a podcast

12:04

that is like real. And

12:06

it just seems like a much more

12:09

realistic case. Yeah, also, I mean,

12:11

I'm sort of more trustworthy. Okay.

12:14

Okay, then it is decision time.

12:16

Now our contestants Levi and Gabby

12:19

must decide who was

12:21

lying about lying. Do

12:23

you guys believe Deborah's story about the man

12:25

who made thousands of dollars for tricking people

12:27

into buying the Brooklyn Bridge over and over

12:29

again? Why? Or

12:33

Lisa's tale of the fake national

12:35

security podcast that fooled listeners into

12:37

believing that plotlines of Hollywood films

12:39

were actually US state secrets. I

12:44

think I believe Lisa's story. Same

12:47

here. Lisa! Lisa! Lisa!

12:51

Alright. Well, will the

12:53

actual truth teller of today's episode

12:55

of Wacky Kacky please reveal who

12:57

you are? I

13:00

had the true actual story, my

13:02

friend. Actually, how are

13:04

people that don't? Not nice.

13:08

That's right. This week, Deborah was

13:10

telling the truth with her story

13:12

of George C. Parker, America's most

13:14

prolific huckster. Parker's infamous

13:17

scheme of selling the Brooklyn Bridge is

13:19

actually the basis of the saying, if

13:21

you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell

13:24

you, which people say when they think someone else

13:26

is being gullible. By the way, did

13:28

you guys know that gullible is actually a made-up

13:30

word, it's not really in the dictionary? Actually, I

13:33

feel like that's a lie. Yep, I think you'd

13:35

have to be pretty gullible to believe that. Ah!

13:38

Nice try, Noah, but really,

13:41

did you know that the CIA has a

13:43

pair of hypnotic mind control goggles they use

13:45

to control us through the TV? Yeah, I'm

13:47

pretty sure that's from Incredibles 2. Really?

13:51

Well, it looks like sometimes the

13:54

truth is stranger than fiction. Really

13:56

is. Thank you so much

13:58

to Gabby and to Levi for being here. Thank Wacky

14:00

Tacky's and to Lisa for your fraudulent

14:03

story of fraud. And to Noah for

14:05

being a great referee. And

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