Matt Bell wrote his novel-writing craft book "Refuse to Be Done" between drafts of his latest novel Appleseed, and perhaps both books were the better for it. Matt has an exhausting yet enviably productive novel-writing process, and he's taking us to church today with this sermon and many others. He's a writer's writer and knows all about creating the best writing and publishing life for him, as we all should! Matt's process is truly inspiring — we'll get into that, his tips for NaNoWriMo, his favorite craft books, and more in today's episode. Follow Matt on Twitter @mdbell79.

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