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is like where he's doing this. Like

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the Jordan Flu bug cast for yeah,

1:00

number the Jordan Flu games Yeah was

1:02

like a. Hundred just added

1:05

like a little the hey, it's morning, what's

1:07

what's going on I'm filling grade and then

1:09

I'm not feel great all the sudden. so

1:11

we're through, etc. We're just we're going to

1:13

make sure you have your the biotics and

1:15

you know and we're going to make sure

1:18

that you know you're just like Jordan elevating

1:20

over Byron Russell and then be. I and

1:22

I want to start with what the President

1:24

United States was doing yesterday. I know that

1:26

that's unusual for a news program these days

1:28

to actually listen to a job. I answered

1:30

better talk about Stormy in the missionary position

1:33

or whatever the kids on campuses. But German

1:35

We have a pretty interesting speech. Holocaust.

1:38

Remembrance Day and I want to play

1:40

to clubs where you were saying a

1:42

ferocious surge of anti semitism and America

1:44

and around the world. Precious.

1:47

Propaganda. On. Social

1:49

media. Jew.

1:54

Forced. to caper. Hi

1:56

keepers that a baseball hat structure

1:59

of Juri star the research. On

2:02

college campuses, Jewish does

2:04

flock, harass, attack, or

2:07

walk in a class.

2:10

At a Savages. Asked

2:13

about a post his slogans.

2:16

Courses. A violation of Israel. World's

2:20

only Jewish state. Too

2:24

many people don't. I'm done

2:27

playing rationalize, ignoring. The

2:30

horrors of the Holocaust. And

2:32

October seven. For

2:35

the masses, apologies. For

2:38

sexual violence to torture and

2:40

terrorize to. Now.

2:43

Three. Or. Four. Seventy

2:46

five years later, Which

2:49

are seven and a half months later, People

2:52

are already suggested. Are

2:55

already forgive. Us.

2:58

Abbas on v. Sister.

3:01

Or some os a

3:03

brutalizes rose. Through.

3:05

Some off he took institute

3:07

is all hostages. I

3:10

have not forgotten or have you. And.

3:13

We will not

3:15

possess. Oh

3:18

to get to the actual war policy the

3:20

in a second an agreement of a little

3:22

little disagreement on and we'll see but I

3:24

just on this on the rhetoric side First

3:26

you done business with people been asking for

3:28

him to do I There's no oh and

3:30

also long a phobia Nelson some of the

3:32

series with there's no trying to you know

3:34

be like all bigotry matters and this you

3:36

know it's focusing on the one problem right?

3:39

And isn't that what we were hoping for?

3:41

Republicans always. Still I go up and give

3:43

a speech and Sam concerned about the domestic

3:45

extremism on my side. They never do it

3:47

shouldn't he be. Get mad voice for this.

3:49

Money. should we didn't have a boys the he

3:51

never does obviously we think this is the i

3:54

don't know this is on the media of this

3:56

is on us that this is on the white

3:58

house but when he goes out and he

4:00

says, you know, normal things like this, right?

4:02

Stuff that you're listening, you're like, wow, this

4:05

is a present. This is what we should

4:07

hear for present. They need to be out

4:09

there promoting it. They need to be out

4:11

there talking about that as well. But it

4:13

is so nice to hear somebody very openly

4:15

say this antisemitism is out there. This antisemitism

4:18

is wrong. Yeah, I didn't hear any, uh,

4:20

two-sided them to that. So I thought it

4:22

was pretty solid. And, uh, we'll see if

4:24

the, uh, Republicans give him credit. I think

4:26

I know the answer to that one already

4:28

though. No Republican politicians are gonna

4:31

give them credit. I don't know, maybe admit, but the

4:33

frustrating thing for all this is you have, you know,

4:35

I got in this fight on TV with this guy,

4:37

Eric Levine. I've mentioned this a couple of times. I

4:39

think it's really telling because there's a lot of people

4:41

that are like this that are like, they

4:43

are on the right. They don't like Trump. Some

4:46

of them are Jewish or some of them are just good

4:48

friends of Israel, non-Jews, and

4:51

they see what's happening on campus. They see

4:53

what Elon Omar says or whatever. And they're

4:55

like, you know, I'm the left. I'm really worried about

4:57

the left. They're on the side of Hamas. They're on

4:59

the side of Hamas. And so I'm going to have

5:01

to vote for Trump. When meanwhile

5:03

you have the Trump's actual opponent

5:05

repeatedly saying like, no, fuck him

5:07

up. I will not forget. I'm

5:09

not going to change. You have these

5:11

people in your life, right? Like how can this

5:13

make through with any of these people? Is there

5:16

a, can we send them a audio Graham of

5:18

Joe Biden talking about this? Yeah.

5:20

Good luck with that. I mean, yeah, you know,

5:22

you can, but when people's minds, if you send

5:24

it to them and they're like, Oh, he's great.

5:27

He's going after, you know, anti-Semitism,

5:29

gee, they're not playing

5:31

the clip where he was being anti-Semitic

5:33

or where he's also talking about this other side as

5:36

well too. So I think I don't know if it

5:38

would have that much impact in it, but yeah, it's

5:40

just a massive difference. It

5:42

just depends ultimately to people. Who do you want

5:44

from president? What kind of a president do you

5:46

want? Do you want somebody that can lead your

5:48

better angels that can send you to a better

5:51

place, or do you want to wake up angry every

5:53

day and have somebody that is

5:55

using a serious issue, not trying, you know,

5:57

like anti-Semitism and what's going on in God.

6:00

not to bring us together, but to tear us

6:02

apart. It's nice to see a difference

6:05

for a change. Well, if you want

6:07

to go listen to the whole speech, do it, I

6:09

wanted to play a good bite of it. I was

6:11

sending my Biden friends Attaboys yesterday because I complain about

6:13

them enough on this podcast when they don't do well.

6:15

Let's talk about the broader issue though. Some people then

6:17

will take it to the next question

6:20

and say, all right, well, that's good on

6:22

Biden for condemning antisemitism,

6:24

but he's putting some

6:27

conditions on Israel. He's

6:29

not giving full-throated support to BB. Some

6:32

of the weapons are moving slowly. I guess the

6:35

IDF pushed back on that notion today in

6:37

a new story, but how do you

6:39

assess the Biden administration's conduct

6:41

when it comes to the actual war? I

6:44

mean, I think they're doing as well

6:46

as they can do, taking the political

6:48

reality, taking the fact

6:50

that there is no way for a

6:52

war in Gaza to happen where it's

6:55

not just some awful

6:57

story. Let's think about this. In Mosul,

6:59

for instance, when we were

7:01

going after ISIS, we basically leveled

7:04

the entire city of Mosul. The

7:06

difference is people that lived there had an opportunity

7:08

to get out and the only ones that stayed

7:10

are ISIS. So what you have in Gaza is

7:13

basically like that, a very dense area where there

7:15

is these terrorists. The problem is- I'm way denser

7:17

than Mosul. I mean, it's like one of the

7:20

densest places in the world. Yeah,

7:22

way denser. But

7:24

the point is though, they cannot

7:26

leave like people in Mosul did,

7:28

they cannot leave for refuge because

7:30

the borders are blocked in Egypt

7:32

and Jordan. So, you know, you

7:34

sit there and you look at that and you're like, okay,

7:36

that's a terrible thing. The bottom line though, I

7:39

think Biden is doing as best if he

7:41

can when it comes to Israel because

7:43

he cannot give Bibi, who is unpopular

7:45

here, he's unpopular in Israel, a blank

7:47

check to do it. We have to

7:50

talk about things like precision strikes. We

7:52

have to talk about counter-terrorism. That's really

7:54

important. You've got to keep the

7:56

world on your side as well. So that's, I'd

7:58

give them a solid. Would be I guess.

8:01

I'm always gonna say page on that

8:03

maybe that may or one little disagreement

8:05

on this is isn't are also reason

8:07

to not to v be a blank

8:09

check for there's no reason to trust

8:11

be be in the day of a

8:13

good plan right now other you know

8:15

as as listens another pack ss and

8:17

somebody for does better than I that's

8:19

and it's like the two goals of

8:21

Israel. The stated goals are eradication of

8:23

Hamas and getting all the prisoners released

8:25

and it's like they're kind of in

8:27

conflicts us to state a gun rights

8:29

and and I know there's no real.

8:32

Clear. Plan for achieving both.

8:34

At the same time, rights well as in

8:37

that's what happens when you when you. Can.

8:39

Have create a plan or create a

8:42

sense of what you need to do

8:44

or an unemotional time usually put out

8:46

a standard that you may or may

8:48

not be able to meet. How can

8:50

you a radically Hamas is that a

8:52

massive military power is a Muslim guy?

8:54

Organizations that me to last a mosque

8:56

person. the that is is alive and

8:58

so I worry that Israel set out

9:01

a goal that is too big. But.

9:04

This is where the Was can exert that influences

9:06

just to make sure that okay goes to big

9:08

What's your real? well what do we really do?

9:10

Where can we get it through? Like how can

9:12

we try to switch Hamas out with the Palestinian

9:15

Authority for instance in that but the best you

9:17

can do. Us. Open for for

9:19

heart Adam cited sound like humanitarian squares and

9:21

you're going to be but you knew ready

9:23

to be bomb bomb bomb and I ran

9:25

over here and like Megabus on another time

9:28

we can as is great were growing together

9:30

you know I guess I wake up not

9:32

feeling well I'm a little more davi ida

9:34

Okay so maybe the thing next time I'm

9:37

going to be like a of for your

9:39

says about everything you know Adams under the

9:41

weather I now example of get along around

9:43

Let's move on to Er stormy. hours

9:46

to get to see yesterday or own and

9:48

we can see any that it's too bad

9:50

that there are cameras because the house the

9:52

a to catch of the islands as much

9:54

of the yesterday discusses the top one and

9:56

co will have a full report with her

9:58

with been with us tomorrow from the

10:00

courtroom. But I just wanted

10:02

to talk to you about just

10:05

the broader question of the

10:07

political ramifications or something like this. The thing

10:10

that struck me yesterday about the stormy testimony

10:13

is two things. One, Trump

10:16

comes off in the story

10:18

that she retells as absolutely

10:21

disgusting, which is not like

10:23

that surprising, right? Given that it's Trump and that

10:25

he bragged about grabbing women by the pussy and

10:28

all that. But I don't know.

10:30

I think some people have an impression of the stormy situation

10:32

where it was like, oh, they're both

10:35

getting something out of it. He's a celeb and he was

10:38

suave and she liked being around Trump.

10:43

The story she actually tells is like, no,

10:45

she was grossed out by him. He's trying

10:47

to pressure her and say that she can

10:50

get director roles if she sleeps with

10:52

him and he's got a security guard standing outside the

10:54

door. So it wasn't like rape, but it was kind

10:56

of rapey. Have people internalized

10:58

that? Is that just me that's saying that that

11:00

is going to be a turnoff for folks? Or

11:03

does that not matter? Is this all baked in?

11:05

Where are you on that question? I

11:07

guess I want to say I'm in the middle. What

11:09

I cheat towards is saying it's already baked

11:11

in. The thing that kind of holds me

11:14

to the other side is once he gets the conviction, once

11:17

he gets that, he becomes the convicted rapist

11:19

or he becomes this and this and this.

11:21

Does that change when you hear it? When

11:23

you hear convicted felon? Maybe. But honestly, I

11:26

think it's all just baked in. Yeah,

11:29

that's maybe true. I don't know. I do

11:32

think that there is a misalignment

11:34

still between Trump's actual behavior with

11:36

women and the reality of

11:39

it for some people. Maybe bringing that into alignment

11:41

more can help. The other thing is he's there

11:43

in court and there

11:45

is just this pathetic nature of it.

11:47

She's up there talking about how bad

11:50

he is at sex and she's up

11:52

there talking about how he coerced him

11:55

and how him and Melania sleep in different beds

11:57

and he's forced to sit there. and

12:00

kind of just mutter under his breath and

12:02

get finger wagged by the judge. It's

12:05

a small man there. And

12:08

this is where I do kind of wish there were cameras in

12:10

the courtroom. Is there an error

12:12

to take out of the balloon here? Maybe

12:15

not on the merits of the arguments, but just like,

12:17

this is not a winner. This is not somebody that's

12:19

beating the deep state right now. That's

12:22

one of the things I've always argued is that

12:24

if you think of a typical Trump supporter,

12:27

if you come out and say, look, Donald

12:29

Trump scares me, Donald Trump,

12:31

you know, I'm worried about Donald Trump.

12:33

Like some of them love that because

12:35

to them it makes him more powerful.

12:38

So I think when you can take Donald Trump

12:40

and say, look, I get it. He wears, he

12:42

wears a long tie and he says

12:45

crazy words, but he is not

12:47

the courageous man that he lets himself out to be.

12:50

Donald Trump is small. Donald Trump is a

12:52

victim. Donald Trump whines. Every time

12:54

Donald Trump says something, it's about himself and how

12:56

he's a victim of something and all of a

12:58

sudden the Republican party has become the party of

13:01

the victims. I think

13:03

there is a certain subset of people that

13:05

would work on, but that message has to

13:07

keep getting hammered home. That's kind of one of

13:10

the things I'm focused on with country first is

13:12

that message of, look,

13:14

Donald Trump is not the big, bad,

13:16

scary guy. Actually, he's just a victim.

13:18

And he was president of the United

13:20

States for four years and he still

13:23

was overtaken by the deep state and

13:25

every, you know, it's like, this

13:27

guy is a small man. And I do think that

13:29

that is a kind of thing that can help with

13:32

some people. If that message is just hammered after

13:34

a while. Another favorite

13:36

story from so far this morning, I don't

13:39

know if you were drinking your NyQuil, if you've seen it. So maybe

13:41

I can just, maybe I can just surprise you with this. There's

13:44

New York times revelation about RFK

13:46

Jr. That is in a

13:48

2012 deposition. RFK

13:51

Jr. Admitted that

13:53

he had brain worms. Not

13:57

Like brain worms, as we like to say

13:59

colloquially. Really here like iron government has

14:01

brain worms now he literally had a

14:03

worm that eight part of his brain

14:05

and died inside of his brain like

14:07

and his behavior started to get so

14:09

weird that as friends aston villa to

14:11

see if he had a brain tumor

14:13

and he went to go see a

14:15

doctor and the doctor said now you

14:17

have a dead brain worm in your

14:19

brain and then side of efforts at

14:21

the so it came up the testified

14:23

to this in a court case where

14:25

he is playing the a Too Much

14:27

Fish and the Mercury in the Sis.

14:30

Led to the worm. And I mean

14:32

is there more perfect story for her

14:34

sister? told

14:37

me as day the like a sudden great of

14:39

gimmick amount of our of gay junior city as

14:41

an actual brain more of the aca.com or. I

14:44

don't know whether to laugh or whether the

14:46

feel bad or what what's going on here

14:48

but yeah absolutely nothing you can laugh. he's

14:50

recovered. yeah I mean I guess maybe not

14:53

mentally these up for week where he i

14:55

think the i think the maybe some lasting

14:57

impact player but that's a crazy say earn

14:59

their brainwaves now scare and like I want

15:01

to go outside that want to go outside

15:04

to only get a brain remembers a com

15:06

for a few. Listen Dark a junior I'll

15:08

tell you what you to.decency got the ringworm.

15:10

Don't heed sense. Of them. Don't

15:12

take vaccines right? Do take steroids. Yesterday

15:15

important said over and bomb that The

15:17

Misfits and it's an interesting combo. You

15:19

know you're trying to to live the

15:21

health, the health and wellness life where

15:24

you out on the brawn brain Where

15:26

Darth Kid this point? Are you feeling

15:28

like I quit your concern level? For.

15:31

How much he might help? Trump Hurt Trump?

15:33

What's your assessment on the I'm A my?

15:35

It's my one that I'm just really still

15:37

uncertain about. The I am too

15:39

I you know you would have these

15:42

numbers and in the summer show and

15:44

actually obviously helps Biden. I'm so the

15:46

belief that he is helpful to Trump

15:48

in the long run because. You

15:51

think about it if you're Donald Trump

15:53

supporter. You're. not going anywhere he's

15:55

like coca cola right like you're not going

15:57

to go get our seats use them man,

16:00

I don't think they're going anywhere. I

16:02

mean, he's like RC kind of, I guess. Yeah, he

16:04

is. But if you're an RC person, you've already made

16:06

a choice. Yeah, true. You've made

16:08

a counter-cultural choice. You're sticking with

16:10

RC. That's it. So, just

16:12

given that Donald Trump's folks are a

16:14

cult, I think it's just more obvious

16:17

that he's gonna help Trump. But it

16:19

is possible, we'll see what happens. My

16:21

worry on this is black voters. I

16:23

talked to this little bit of Bakari

16:25

sellers last week, and he was less

16:27

concerned about this, I'm gonna have additional

16:30

conversations about this in the coming weeks with

16:32

other folks that are really kind of deep

16:34

in that community and kind of know the voter

16:37

electorate. But the numbers are the numbers. And

16:39

there's a Pew study out

16:41

that looked at Biden 2020 voters

16:45

and what they're doing in 2024. The

16:47

amount of ground he's lost with black voters

16:50

in that time is alarming. It is, yeah.

16:52

And so maybe the theory is that they

16:54

come back home in November

16:56

when the choice is clear, okay,

16:59

maybe. Like Kennedy's existence, does

17:01

it offer an off-ramp for somebody

17:03

that's unhappy with Biden, either

17:07

about inflation or Gaza or whatever? And they're

17:09

like, I can't go all the way over

17:11

to Trump. Like, this is ridiculous. Like the

17:13

polling that shows that Biden's losing out black

17:15

voters doesn't actually show that Trump's gaining that

17:17

much despite like his awesome spin

17:19

that black people love, felons. But

17:22

it does show this like undecided is up.

17:24

And I do worry about Kennedy with that

17:26

group. Yeah, I think with really

17:28

anybody out there voting, if they're not happy, you know,

17:30

if they're like, oh, I can't go with Biden or

17:32

I can't go with Trump, they're probably gonna go for

17:35

Kennedy because he's gonna be the protest vote. This

17:37

is like the Ross Perot. And who are the unhappy

17:39

groups, right? Like let's just talk about this actually, because

17:41

it's really nothing I wanted to bring up yesterday with

17:43

Indiana. There are three unhappy groups, non-college

17:46

black men mostly, young voters,

17:49

okay? And you. Like

17:51

Wall Street Journal, college

17:53

educated, Classical Conservatives, right?

17:55

Like Those are the three main groups

17:57

that are unhappy with the choices. Other

17:59

People. happy. But I go to the

18:02

three biggest groups. ice the two groups

18:04

that biden. Is. Struggling West

18:06

and those orders can be might be a

18:08

natural fit for. A good people

18:10

that Trump is struggling with. Candy is not

18:13

really against set for you know that which

18:15

is this causes kill and Ncc is a

18:17

little bit in Indiana yesterday which I think

18:20

is contained in a one green sheet for

18:22

Biden which is like six figures Pete Republicans

18:24

turned out to vote for next daily yesterday.

18:26

What are don't they're Not Go and Rfk

18:29

right? So. Are. They gone to job.

18:31

I know that gone home. Nine

18:33

to one or F k. They're either

18:36

going to go home or the going to go

18:38

by and and a few will be allow for

18:40

Trump. But here's where I've who I think it's

18:42

really important as like if you think about who

18:44

are the Haley voters in terms of what they

18:46

care about. The care

18:48

about foreign policy right? Their defense

18:50

motors Ukraine matters. Yeah it's important

18:52

to reach out, it's important part

18:54

of them but it's important just

18:56

on foreign policy foreign policy as

18:58

the one thing especially and as

19:00

the roles of can the changes

19:02

that is kind of the gateway

19:04

drug. For. People to come over

19:07

to the Democratic Party because the Democrats

19:09

are now more hawkish than Republicans on

19:11

some these issues. So yeah, I think

19:13

if the Democrats and Joe Biden can

19:15

show we're making progress in Ukraine where

19:17

at least supporting them were fighting harm

19:19

or stand with our allies, that's what

19:21

the you can do to win that

19:23

twenty percent is. Just say where for

19:25

a strong America. That. Can

19:27

really to subsectors the have visitors and

19:29

loan of the have and from regular

19:31

something about deaths tales american decline might

19:33

be greatly exaggerated. I'm kind of a

19:35

specific and gone this dilemma you for

19:38

folks ever wonder why don't you explain

19:40

the case you are making about. State.

19:43

Of America today on the World

19:45

stage. Well as the bottom line

19:47

is you know there are signs

19:49

that America as an empire of

19:51

he considers an empire is unstable

19:53

decline. Still decline. Was

19:57

internal disagreements? China's on

19:59

the. Is the just by you

20:01

know contrast were in decline in the

20:03

and the question is can we reverse

20:06

that or not. An issue

20:08

with there's this expectation or the slate

20:10

kind of acceptance from people that yeah,

20:12

we're in decline. There's nothing we can

20:14

do about it was was live our

20:16

life, was burnt or casual to do

20:18

whatever. Let's not believe in anything anymore,

20:21

let's you know, vote for Rfk. And.

20:24

And that's a big concern, isn't going on

20:26

and you can riff on the Subaru Aids

20:28

David Sanger on couple weeks ago. And

20:31

he sounding the alarm about the the

20:33

Great Power threat with China and Russia

20:35

which I I concur with and and

20:37

you know he bases are so how

20:39

is both parties are basically fucked this

20:41

up for a quarter century mouse and

20:43

he makes miss do points and that's

20:45

the one area I kind of I

20:47

didn't a human deaths from case was

20:50

that he was arguing that these threats

20:52

to America. Are urgent

20:54

and severe. Like in this

20:56

great power battle, the decide to America

20:58

is is urgent, timely, severe and I

21:00

didn't care what I do think it's

21:02

an urgent and timely threat if you're.

21:05

In. Eastern Europe right now. I buy that. and

21:07

if you're Taiwan, is that an urgent Are we

21:09

going to America? Evidence of everything at this of

21:11

a new doing on this for two weeks and

21:13

as a sixty minutes. Piece. Of

21:15

because the Sas on the news is on his ego

21:18

about the border and appointed visas about the whole in

21:20

the border and and that war is a real problem

21:22

and as but lot of that points in it very

21:24

married at the one of the points are making was

21:26

in a lot of you're going to the border chinese.

21:29

And. Not just for Chinese Middle class Chinese

21:31

middle class Chinese are buying plane tickets

21:33

to Mexico City. you have to stop

21:35

us somewhere else but I find plaintiffs

21:38

article said he with their savings and

21:40

then taking the tracks across the border

21:42

sixty minutes frame me listen many people

21:44

as meet his friend was like how

21:46

great of a threat the says but

21:48

I saw that most can like. Hell.

21:51

Yeah, Home team Fresh Allenby get out

21:54

my my of her Hulk Hogan things

21:56

you know and real America. I'm a

21:58

real American. like if middle. Last

22:00

Chinese. Are. Going

22:03

on long journeys to sneak into

22:05

America. Let's. Just feels like a

22:07

good indicator that, like the American carnage and

22:09

American demise, might not be quite as eminent

22:11

as people say. Well. That's exactly right.

22:14

I mean if you look at every

22:16

indicators of where we're at, a mean

22:18

return is fairly strong. You look at

22:20

new business, starts a new business, or

22:22

to basically are mainly immigrants. usually first

22:24

generation immigrants. I would as like seventy

22:27

percent are not native born. Americans,

22:30

I. Mean, if you really wanted the numbers of

22:32

America as actually doing good were holding our

22:34

own, were are doing well. We've just got

22:36

a kind of recommit to this idea. But.

22:39

We are good. We've got to recommit to

22:41

the idea that this is worth fighting for

22:44

and that's why I think it's important to

22:46

say we may feel like we're in decline.

22:48

A were not an ultimately it's our choice

22:50

and if we sit around and we just

22:52

bellyache to we hire. You. Know presidents

22:54

that are going to go and do nothing

22:56

but divide us? That's where we're going to

22:58

make those choices. Are we going to bring

23:01

a divider in here to continuous on the

23:03

slide For somebody that can inspire and I

23:05

don't necessarily think. You know, Joe

23:07

Biden going to be the biggest inspirational president

23:09

has second term. But. He can

23:11

actually paint something that matters and and

23:13

gives people hope. Gives people something to

23:15

fight for. I do things. If.

23:17

You don't have can take one thing

23:19

from us. The new immigrants to do

23:22

their coalition least temporarily may more permanently

23:24

for some than others to can take

23:26

one value that were ring. I think

23:28

that the Democrats could do. Well.

23:31

To this being themselves as the America

23:33

as great actually my my party's yikes.

23:35

Had America needs to be great again

23:37

I America is great now and part

23:39

of being America being graded Lot of

23:41

things that that liberals are. You actually

23:43

said that you know diversity as far

23:45

the reason why America's great. a lot

23:47

of the in own company's coming out

23:49

of blue states California is of as

23:51

I smirk a great our culture music

23:53

you know the Kendrick beating Drake in

23:55

the be nice as lot of things

23:57

and make America great and sometimes I.

24:00

like, not always, I don't want to

24:02

paint it too broad or rushed, like, there's some on

24:04

the left that like, feel uncomfortable

24:06

making that case, right? Because it's like, they want

24:08

to focus on all the ways that can be

24:10

better. That's the whole point of progressivism. That's why

24:13

the word is progressive. You know, I think that

24:16

Obama was actually pretty good at this. And

24:18

the Democrats have lost some of that Obama

24:21

flavor of being able to, you know,

24:24

combine uplifting American values and

24:26

American strength, while also saying, Yeah, and we

24:28

can do better about this than the other

24:30

thing. Yeah, I mean, they're like, there's not

24:32

been an inspirational president like that and how

24:35

long, right? I wasn't a huge fan of

24:37

Obama, but like, when he would talk, you

24:39

could hear that and you'd recognize that somebody

24:41

that cared and there was a lot of

24:43

passion behind that. But yeah, I just think

24:46

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27:28

my day. I don't know if it'll brighten your day. I'm

27:30

not sure actually what your habits are in your private time,

27:32

but we're about to find out. There's

27:34

a new policy proposal. It was kind of

27:37

tucked into the Project 2025 thing at Heritage

27:39

and over at the Daily Wire, Michael

27:42

Knowles is like a Ben

27:44

Shapiro secondhand man, was interviewing

27:46

Johnny McEntee. Johnny McEntee is

27:48

in the inside circle of Donald Trump, was

27:50

in charge of Donald Trump's staffing, would likely

27:52

be in charge of that again in a second term.

27:55

He also starts the right stuff dating

27:58

site and posts very cringe tic-tac-tac-toe. about

28:00

how MAGA people can find other MAGA

28:02

people to mate with. But

28:04

here he is on this podcast. Let's

28:07

just take a listen to his new proposal. The

28:09

elephant in the room, which is a stain

28:11

on not only society, but the entire dating

28:14

culture, which is pornography. Yeah. And

28:16

I think whenever America bans that, which

28:18

will be happening at some point, everyone

28:21

will be much better off. Banning

28:23

porn. Since this is the bro cast,

28:25

I felt like this is important for us. You

28:28

know, I'm not a big porn man myself.

28:30

I've got a lot of ices, but I

28:33

do think that that shouldn't land great with

28:35

the bar stool bros, porn banning. And in

28:37

your new home state, Texas, I

28:39

don't know if you know this or not, but Pornhub

28:41

is functionally banned because of rules

28:43

that we're putting state by the state government. So

28:45

I don't know. Is

28:47

this an opportunity for Democrats? Are they

28:50

brave enough to take the pro porn

28:52

opportunity? I think

28:54

it might work to everybody's favor

28:56

just to stay completely away from

28:58

anything with porn in it. Porn,

29:00

pornography, anything like that. So I like, I

29:02

don't know if they'll be antsy or I'm

29:04

poor. This is just me. This is going

29:07

to be a lonely. Adam,

29:09

people say that I gave up my principles. OK,

29:11

people say that I gave up my small government

29:13

principles when I lied to the Democrats and I

29:15

did not. I still believe that we

29:18

should limit the size of government. I still believe

29:20

the government shouldn't be telling me what to do.

29:22

And I sure as shit don't think

29:25

that Johnny McEntee should be telling me

29:27

what I want to look at on

29:30

the internet on Sunday night when I'm alone

29:32

in my home. I don't think that anybody

29:34

should be told what they should be watching.

29:36

You know, it reminds me of Chairman Xi

29:38

demanding that the men on TV all be

29:40

manly men and not sissy men.

29:43

This is America. In America, we do

29:45

porn, fear. We also do good stuff, but

29:47

people can do what they want. No?

29:51

Yeah, I mean, we do. Johnny

29:53

McEntee really was

29:55

one of the biggest kind of inducements

29:58

or one of the bigger. points

30:01

of rot in the administration in terms of

30:03

creating a lot of mistrust. He was always

30:05

grilling people. You know, are you loyal enough

30:07

to Donald Trump? He was kind of his

30:10

henchman. What a, just a terrible

30:12

dude. And, uh, what they do is they'll go

30:14

on these podcasts and it will make comments to

30:16

try to be as crazy and as terrible as

30:18

they can, because then they can make money off

30:21

it. You want to go out and

30:23

say, well, we're for banning porn or we're for, you

30:25

know, whatever it is, if you get that

30:27

same interview, said something about repealing the right

30:29

for women to vote. It just, yeah, a little joke,

30:32

just joking. We're just joking. And I'm like, we're going

30:34

to ban abortion at zero weeks. We're

30:38

going to ban porn. We're going to tell people

30:40

what bathrooms they have to use. You know, that

30:43

we're going to tell teachers that they can talk

30:45

about. This is the freedom party. We're also going

30:47

to ban cell-based meat. You see that? Yeah. And

30:49

the Santa's banning cell-based meat. That's another freedom thing

30:51

now. Yeah. You're a real meat

30:53

man. Now, I guess probably, you know, I like

30:55

real meat, but look at my guy. I'm not

30:58

opposed to a lab grown meat. I

31:00

don't even know what it means, but I'm not

31:02

that opposed to it. It might lead to brain

31:04

worms. I guess we'll be the concern. But as

31:06

long as the FDA is vetting for brainworm risk.

31:08

Yeah. Well, let's hope they are. I don't think

31:10

we should be limiting innovation. I've got one

31:13

final topic for you. In yesterday's pod, we had

31:15

Jeff Duncan. What a

31:17

great American. That guy, Lieutenant Governor,

31:19

and W. CNN colleague of yours.

31:22

The difference between the Jeff Duncans

31:25

of the world and

31:27

the Bill Barrs and the Paul Ryan's, you

31:29

know, we can go down the list. John Bolton's

31:32

like, why is it so hard for people to

31:34

do the simple thing Jeff Duncan did? Because he

31:36

came on this podcast yesterday and I don't think

31:38

any of our liberal listeners were like, I love

31:40

this guy's politics. He was like, I love a

31:42

heartbeat bill and you know, we got to secure

31:44

the border. And this is not a fucking Brian

31:46

O'Squish. But he's just like, guys, we

31:48

can't do Donald Trump. It's a no. What's your

31:50

take? Yeah. The great thing about him is he

31:53

takes his faith very seriously. He

31:55

obviously is really passionate about this.

31:58

And I know that like all of us. It's kind

32:00

of a difficult decision when you make

32:02

a decision to endorse in a party

32:04

that is not part of your identity.

32:07

But ultimately, you are accountable to you, you're

32:09

accountable to God, you're accountable to your family.

32:11

And that is, when I have been talking

32:13

to Jeff about it, that's something that

32:16

he has very close to his heart is that

32:18

idea. So look, every now and

32:20

then, there's a bright star, somebody that's going

32:22

to do the right thing. And

32:25

on the sidelines, the people that don't, the

32:27

Elise Stefanics in their heart, in their

32:30

soul, they know what they've done is wrong. And

32:32

so it just makes it, you know, it makes it harder for

32:34

them, but good for Jeff. In a world

32:36

of Elise Stefanics be Jeff Duncan. All right, Adam, I

32:38

was going to keep you around for the mailbag, but

32:40

you've just been gutting this out. I'm

32:42

sorry, I'm not. I'm going to mailbag alone. No, you're

32:44

doing great. Do you have

32:47

any, any gossip about him or any hard questions you

32:49

want me to ask him? No, no, just say

32:51

hello. That'd be the best. Just say

32:53

hello. Say hey. There's

32:56

no cafeteria, cafeteria chatter. Nothing

32:58

good. Nothing good. I guess something.

33:01

Okay. You're going to get

33:03

something good. Adam Kinzinger, the house bro, former

33:05

congressman, a great American, a Jeff Duncan in

33:07

his own right. We're going

33:09

to have him on again soon. Bright eyed and

33:11

bushy tailed. You just power down some Pepto-Bismol. Make

33:14

sure that you don't have any worms in that brain. We'll be

33:16

seeing you soon. All right. All right, buddy.

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that was Adam Kinzinger just, you know, doing

34:54

his best Jordan Flu game impression. I'm going

34:56

to do a little mail bag here for

34:58

a bonus for you guys.

35:01

Remember you can reach us

35:03

at bulwarkpodcastatthebulwark.com if you have

35:05

mail bag questions. We get a lot of the

35:07

political questions. I've been giving great life advice I think.

35:09

I think I've improved like four people's life. So you

35:11

know, if you're looking for life advice, you can send

35:14

that in too. Here we go. Steven,

35:16

what is the fringiest political belief you hold? I

35:18

had some great questions by the way, but I'm

35:20

doing this on the fly because of the Kinzinger

35:22

illness. So some of them were just too good

35:25

for me to give you my off

35:27

the cuff answers. This one that I have an off the

35:29

cuff answer for. On the left side,

35:31

I guess I wouldn't say

35:33

that I'm a prison abolitionist because I

35:35

do think that violent criminals need

35:38

to be in prison. But boy, I

35:40

think that there are a lot of people that we

35:42

have in prison that shouldn't be in prison and I

35:44

think that, you know, the criminal justice reform stuff in

35:47

Congress is probably even pretty mild for

35:49

me. If you listen to that

35:51

serial podcast about the kids juvenile

35:54

detention center in Tennessee, I

35:57

mean, it is just like It is

35:59

nauseating.. The thing that these

36:01

teenagers the are getting put in

36:03

to be for truancy I could.

36:05

What you know we can figure

36:07

out ways: volunteer service, public service

36:09

more money invested in to social

36:11

workers in out go into these

36:13

communities Six other money we can

36:15

invest in the social workers have

36:17

more in spending so much money

36:20

though you know on our prison

36:22

industrial complex so exile criminals in

36:24

to go to jail. As really

36:26

thought to the implications of my

36:28

views with against a White. Collar

36:30

Crime To do Think we need

36:32

to punish like collar criminals but

36:35

nonviolent offenders. In prison. Particularly.

36:38

Jovi. Is. An hour for me

36:40

and data refresh? Ya que my friends? Yeah,

36:42

right wing view. The. Skin makes

36:44

the lightning. The ice. I.

36:46

Do not want to distill gives

36:49

you hung. Don't get me wrong

36:51

people, don't forget to contexts. I

36:53

do not want to Donald Trump

36:55

Administration's or the Vivid Ground Swami

36:57

Administration or any of these freaks

36:59

to have access to schedule apps

37:02

in. This is the reclassification of

37:04

of career government employees as political

37:06

appointees. makes it easier to fire

37:08

them and.i gotta tell you, we

37:10

probably could benefit from having some

37:12

of the members of the administrative

37:15

state reclassified to make it easier.

37:17

For the government's to to strength or

37:19

to grow or to reoriented cells or

37:21

do a number different things and they're

37:23

all of these insults I think probably

37:26

should be cut. The. Number of

37:28

people we are this federal employees

37:30

his way to beg The number

37:32

of people who are doing jobs

37:34

that. I. Really? You.

37:36

Know they can be moved around. I just

37:39

I've got a mechanical anybody out, but I've

37:41

got some buddies and have federal government jobs

37:43

in a G S third teens or something

37:45

that. I. think the republic could survive

37:47

as they weren't in their lives like a

37:50

moment in two thousand and nine i wish

37:52

i had my political reawakening by two thousand

37:54

and nine years in a moment of like

37:57

tech bro neo liberal left us who wanted

37:59

to do do liberal good governance

38:01

stuff, but also wanted to just completely

38:05

overhaul the federal government and

38:07

streamline a bunch of shit and bring in

38:09

new people who are getting paid more money

38:11

to do more important things. Various oversight, I

38:13

worry about this deeply when it comes to

38:15

AI. There are a bunch of areas. We're

38:18

seeing this a little bit with Lena Kahn, which you're

38:20

talking about in that Amazon interview a while back, where

38:22

if you actually put good people in at the FTC

38:24

who make a competitive wage, then

38:26

maybe we can have some good government regulation and

38:29

oversight. So nothing against you. If you work in

38:31

the federal government, I'm not putting you on the

38:33

chopping block, but I don't know.

38:35

I mean, Rick Perry wanted to cut a couple

38:37

of agencies and he forgot one of them, but he

38:39

wanted to cut a couple of them. You

38:41

could probably sell me on that. So all right,

38:43

those are my friend GIS political piece. You can

38:46

get mad at me in the comment section. Carmen

38:48

again, so I guess Carmen has

38:50

asked us twice. She wants some

38:52

bulwark discussions of the states in which democratic

38:54

senators are vulnerable. I have kind of been

38:56

falling short on this, on

38:58

the Senate races, which are really

39:00

important because the Democrats basically need

39:02

to run the table, given that

39:05

West Virginia is off the board. And I

39:07

think that's going to be very challenging or

39:09

they have to pick up a blue state.

39:11

The most vulnerable senators are in Ohio and

39:13

Montana, Sherrod Brown and Tester. Both are

39:16

really good politicians and really

39:18

good senators. It's just like

39:21

Susan Collins is literally the only

39:23

example of the Senator

39:25

that is running way ahead of

39:27

what her party's presidential candidate does

39:30

in these races. We're just in a different

39:32

era now. So I think it's going to

39:34

be very, very challenging for

39:36

Tester and Brown, but

39:38

that's the top tier. Then you

39:40

move on to the next tier, which are Senate

39:43

races that are happening In the presidential

39:45

swing states. So you've got Bob Casey in Pennsylvania,

39:47

you got Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin. I Did a

39:49

great next level interview with Tammy Baldwin, by the

39:52

way. We'll put it in the show notes if

39:54

you're interested in that. It was one of my

39:56

Sunday interviews with Tammy Baldwin. She surprised me how

39:58

much I liked her. She's super. Candid and

40:00

I'm very interested in bipartisanship. Very interested

40:03

in I think looking at the Democratic

40:05

party and a more healthy way, but

40:07

how they can appeal though to rural

40:09

working class voters. Anyway, set up a

40:12

daily bolland interview, then you've got Mission

40:14

and they get the open Kristen Cinema

40:16

seats in Arizona. Oh, in Nevada you've

40:18

Jacky Rosen. In Nevada. Sell out your

40:21

those up this way. I feel pretty

40:23

good about Ruben Guy ago. right now.

40:25

in Arizona, carry Lakes and has all

40:27

the Trump baggage with none of the

40:30

positives. Ruben offsets some the ground

40:32

the Cubs were about the A to

40:34

Nevada's on the ground Trump is making

40:36

among. Working Hispanic voters because room

40:39

Ruben Gallego A is Hispanic and and

40:41

has lot of credibility in a community,

40:43

Sell out for that. At. The

40:45

sort of bottom of the was

40:47

civility deaths from a democratic perspective

40:49

thorns your most worried about thing

40:51

Ohio and Montana and then the

40:53

next batch the that that I

40:55

would be worried about is i

40:57

think Nevada because Jacky Rosen just

40:59

doesn't have this brand the Baldwin

41:01

and Tc do. I'm just generally

41:03

where did the demographics of. Nevada

41:05

and compared some these other states is

41:08

cause college educated percentage of percentages Panic

41:10

voters working class So Jacky Rosen would

41:12

be an excellent in the Michigan. I

41:14

guess I'm tentatively put on a tear.

41:17

A now is we son noted candidates

41:19

are going to be Alyssa Saw Ten

41:21

is the preferred. Democrat.

41:23

From Michigan not least from my perspective

41:25

Republicans have a wide open primary on

41:27

there and as well so can have

41:30

put a hold on missing and for

41:32

now and then than the next year

41:34

down from that would be was concerned

41:36

Pennsylvania Julius had Baldwin and Tc A

41:38

things have have been very strong senators,

41:40

very good ties to their communities both

41:42

running and had a binary. Now it's

41:44

concerning if you look at the poll

41:47

numbers and sell other to that and

41:49

then and then you get to potential

41:51

pick up opportunities you have Florida. and

41:53

texas is unthinkable stretches they also have been of

41:55

your current all right a while back that going

41:57

to check that will for the already interview as

42:00

well, that was before he actually announced, but it

42:02

was still pretty interesting about kind of calling all

42:04

read the person he's going up against Ted Cruz

42:06

in Texas. So, you know, if I'm if I'm

42:08

assessing where you want to give your money volunteer

42:10

resources, Ohio, and

42:13

Montana at the top, Nevada

42:15

and Michigan next and put a

42:17

star next to Michigan TBD on

42:19

how the primaries shake out. And

42:21

then I would have the third tier, Pennsylvania,

42:24

Wisconsin, Texas and Florida to defenses to

42:26

offenses if you're the Democrats. And then

42:28

below that for now Arizona, you also

42:31

have that wildcard race with St. Larry

42:33

Hogan in Maryland. I'll do a deeper

42:35

dive on next. I think that's gonna

42:37

be an interesting race from a bulwarky

42:40

perspective because you know, Larry

42:43

Hogan, good man and in

42:45

a vacuum, but he's very

42:47

interested in having Republicans like Larry Hogan in I

42:49

would want to support him with Trump on the

42:51

ballot. You're not

42:54

anything that gives Republicans any more chance of having

42:56

a trifecta, whether the House and the Senate and

42:58

Trump gives me the willies a little

43:00

bit given the project 2025 element to this. So

43:03

that's just a quick overview

43:05

back of the envelope. A little bonus

43:08

for you guys since the Kinzinger interview

43:10

went a little short. I will go

43:12

deeper on all those races as we

43:14

get ahead to November. Send me your

43:16

hate mail on my fringiest political beliefs.

43:19

And we'll be back tomorrow as I already mentioned

43:21

with a bit from Ro Khanna and also a

43:23

report from New York from Ben with us. I hate

43:25

doing this. I hate telling you what's gonna be on

43:28

tomorrow because you never know. It's live. It's live. It's

43:30

live to tape, but it's you know, it's live podcasting.

43:32

We're doing this stuff on the fly and maybe one

43:34

of them won't show up and now I would have

43:36

jinxed it. So hopefully not. Hope you will have Ro

43:39

and Ben with us tomorrow. We've got a great slate

43:41

of folks ahead. Thanks for being with us every day

43:43

on the bulwark podcast. Thanks to Adam Kinzinger. We'll see

43:45

you all tomorrow. Peace. I'm

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