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6:02

dark deeds unfold on the streets

6:04

of Arkham, and which

6:06

unwitting souls, innocent or impure,

6:08

will succumb to the maddening

6:10

call, the call

6:12

of Cthulhu. Welcome

6:19

to Cthulhu Catomentary. Hi, I'm

6:22

Cat. Hi, I'm Luke. Hey, I'm Doug.

6:24

And with us today, we have a special guest. Hey,

6:27

it's Jared, everyone. Now, if you

6:29

are listening to this episode, in the

6:31

moment that it came out, Jared's voice

6:33

associated with the call of Cthulhu Mystery

6:36

Program might be an

6:38

unknown. However, Jared

6:41

is what is to be a reoccurring character

6:43

throughout the course of future Cthulhu

6:45

installments, so look forward to that.

6:48

Wonderful. When you hear it,

6:50

you'll know those dulcet and mysterious tones.

6:52

Dulcet honey tones. Aside

6:56

from having been a long time force throughout

6:58

all of our nerdy show productions of various

7:00

kinds, what other things should people know about

7:02

you? Just keep following my Instagram, and I'll

7:04

have to sketch forward, all one word, and

7:06

just check out what I throw out there.

7:09

Cool, yes. You will like what Jared throws out

7:11

there. Jared throws out some

7:13

very delicious and dreamy things. Thank you,

7:16

thank you. So, in

7:18

this episode of Cthulhu Catomentary, we are talking about the

7:20

1990 film, Bride of

7:23

Re-Animator, which none of us have seen. Not

7:25

till today. Not till today. Let's

7:28

start with our initial reactions, beginning with

7:30

you, Luke. Well, it

7:32

delivers on its promises, I guess, and

7:34

to a degree- What are its promises?

7:37

To be a sequel to Re-Animator that

7:39

is inexplicably brought back Herbert West. Although,

7:41

I guess, like, you don't actually see

7:43

him die at the end of the

7:46

original. It's kind of more

7:48

the same with some

7:51

new additional grotesqueries and

7:54

just a little sloppier this time around, both

7:57

in terms of the story and West's

7:59

methods. Yes, that's true. This

8:02

sequel came a full five years after

8:04

the first one and is

8:07

written and directed by a man

8:09

who produced the prior

8:11

film, Brian Yuzna. And

8:13

also there's two other writing credits, two

8:16

fellows who have some notable work alongside

8:18

of Yuzna, Woody Keith and Rick Fry.

8:20

Now we'll get into the actual production-y

8:23

things a bit later, but it's important

8:25

to note that this is not part

8:27

of the Stuart Gordon Lovecraft

8:30

film material. Gordon

8:32

at one point was attached to maybe work on

8:34

this, but that didn't end up

8:37

happening. And I said in the last episode

8:39

regarding Re-Animator that I'd figured out I only

8:41

have a little bit more info and not

8:43

much at all. Doug, now

8:45

you and I both saw Re-Animator for the

8:47

first time in the last episode. How

8:50

do you feel about Bride? Luke

8:52

says it delivers on The

8:54

Promise, really. Unfortunately, it sets

8:57

up a lot of things that you're expecting to pay

8:59

off and then the movie just kind of ends really

9:01

suddenly. Like with Dr. Hill

9:04

and Herbert, you think, oh man, these

9:06

two are gonna fight, they're gonna...something. And

9:09

Dr. Hill just sort of shows up at

9:11

the end and is just like, I hate

9:13

you. And then the movie ends. There's no

9:15

actual confrontation really. There

9:18

are a lot of functional pieces and you think

9:20

this is gonna stitch together so nicely just like

9:22

all these corpses. But then it

9:24

falls apart like the Bride. It's

9:27

a big metaphor. Because

9:29

then you're like, oh, it's like the first

9:31

movie, but you're not the first movie. What

9:34

did you want? It's

9:38

strangely a fitting metaphor for the film itself.

9:42

But there was many parts are still

9:45

very enjoyable. It has the same crazy

9:47

character stuff that the first one has. So I mean,

9:49

if you enjoyed the first one, I think the

9:51

second one is definitely worth checking out. You're gonna

9:54

enjoy yourself. You definitely didn't come

9:56

here for the continuity. Right. So other than

9:58

the ending. I mean,

10:00

the literal ending of it being fairly

10:03

weak, I very much enjoyed

10:05

myself. How about yourself, Jared? Well, it's

10:07

been about a decade since I've seen

10:09

the original Re-Animator film, so a lot

10:11

of the details are fuzzy. That's

10:13

best, I would imagine. Probably. But

10:16

having seen this film, I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah,

10:18

they just picked up where they left off. That's

10:21

all fine and good. It was definitely a fun,

10:24

weird romp, and I enjoyed it.

10:27

One of the best practical effects

10:29

wizards, Screaming Mad George

10:31

had thrown his hand into doing some

10:33

of the creature designs in this film,

10:35

and it was just chef's

10:38

kiss. Now, what would folks

10:40

know Screaming Mad George from? So

10:43

he is, any weird shit from the

10:45

1980s period, he's probably had his hand

10:48

in, so probably most notably is Big

10:50

Trouble Little China. He was a practical

10:52

effects wizard on that as well. And

10:56

then I've seen the film

10:58

Society. I've been trying to

11:00

get other people to join in on the madness

11:02

for it. You've been talking a big game about

11:04

society. It sounds and looks pretty cool, and

11:07

it is part of the sort of

11:10

continuum of Bride of Re-Animator. It came

11:12

out the year prior, and it is

11:14

written and directed by the entire same

11:16

team. That's mind-blowing.

11:21

Why is it mind-blowing particularly? I don't know,

11:23

it's just the same group of people putting

11:27

together just this wild ride

11:30

of, I don't know how to really

11:32

describe it in words. I'm not much of a wordsmith. Well,

11:35

in regards to the two films,

11:37

you've talked about society a lot.

11:40

I would imagine society greatly outclasses

11:42

Bride of Re-Animator. Oh,

11:45

interesting. That's a good question. Like, it's

11:47

like comparing apples to oranges, really. The

11:51

meat is there, but how

11:53

you sculpt the meat in between these

11:56

two films is completely different. Yes, it's

11:59

Important to be very. Very careful when

12:01

you're sculpting the meat. Yes, otherwise

12:03

it will reject itself. Yes, exactly.

12:05

And. So.

12:07

I think between the three of you, that's.

12:09

Really, Encompass does a. Great

12:12

deal of this experience in a broad overview.

12:14

Let's get into some nuance

12:16

here. So in terms of

12:18

the adaptation of. The reanimated

12:20

series of short stories by

12:23

Hp. Lovecraft. This Sword as.

12:26

Kind. As. Borrows. From.

12:28

Some. Later chapters of that

12:30

yeah, I mean one of the

12:33

things that are economists. Are

12:35

it's kind of Reapers in used in

12:37

a different way though when the detective.

12:39

Wakes. Up after being reanimated in this one of

12:42

these he says is like get that cloth away from

12:44

me. And. That actually that's basically taken

12:46

directly from the stories is one of the

12:48

few things that kind of is an addict.

12:50

The cloth and question is a kind of

12:52

chloroform like severe to stop the human heart.

12:54

Yeah, and the story. That's one of the

12:56

areas where like the unnamed narrator basically the

12:58

damn of this of the story kind of

13:00

realizes that pervert is a bit more sinister

13:02

than he's kind of realized at first and

13:04

I be that's an element that doesn't really

13:07

exist in the movie as much because he's

13:09

more of where I want to play. for

13:11

her I don't want to see, I don't

13:13

want to say is an anti hero. Regardless,

13:15

he's He's He's He's A He's

13:17

is a weird little flesh goblin

13:20

and you root for him anyway.

13:22

Yeah, but in the story, ah,

13:24

there's intentions. Are so single minded. The

13:26

audience tense regard them as pure whether

13:28

they are not. Yeah, yeah, so M

13:31

M's in the story I'm at at

13:33

one of the points along the way.

13:36

Herbert's. Got the super fresh body and

13:38

her it's like yeah yeah craziest thing happened.

13:40

so this guy came up to like the

13:43

a look around the neighborhood and talk to

13:45

be in everything and just he just he

13:47

just passed out a died of a heart

13:49

attack is the craziest thing. Super fresh body

13:52

though may as well use it. come on

13:54

and help me assistance and so they reanimate

13:56

the body and that's that's the thing that

13:58

comes out of the bodies mouth is you

14:01

know basically like I get away for we

14:03

get a cloth away from me right and

14:05

so like yeah or whoever was basically ambushes

14:07

kills the some a visitor to his house

14:10

and in this context you know it's the

14:12

top This trying to kill him first and

14:14

I guess as they're fighting with him later

14:17

than Herbert's put to the two and two

14:19

together about his wife and die and he's

14:21

a ah ah domestic abuser and I guess

14:23

I prefer West said a cab. That

14:27

part of the story which will get. Into. Momentarily

14:30

is actually really interesting. And

14:32

much like Herbert moving over the

14:34

bride from toes to to top,

14:37

like talking about where the different

14:39

pieces came from. the different pieces

14:41

of this movie are all very

14:43

compelling. It just kind of

14:46

gets rickety eventually. but even still,

14:48

it finishes up so quickly. a

14:50

lifetime reflect on how rickety it's

14:52

gotten. Originally.

14:55

When. Stewart Gordon was going to

14:57

do something with it. There was.

14:59

Ah and intention of making

15:01

that this the some about

15:04

dan wine to reanimate. Med

15:06

and that is kind of a

15:08

component of this. Obviously, this is

15:10

a film about Den and Herbert.

15:12

Making a woman out of parts and

15:14

mag is sort of a component of

15:16

that. But. It's not like

15:18

literally Mag and a barber crampton did not

15:21

come back for the some I was gonna

15:23

be a bit part in. Agent was like

15:25

you can do better Herbert dangle that in

15:28

front of him as as like he'll be

15:30

back It's it's makes heart so therefore and

15:32

doesn't like flat out. Say. It

15:34

you know like and plausible deniability that on every

15:36

said she'd be back you know But I dance

15:39

hills in the blanks as as like so she

15:41

might be alive again and be is a hook,

15:43

line and sinker that after that that's a big

15:45

that's a big moment really. And the narrative of

15:48

Herbert. And Dan. Because. In

15:50

the some we see

15:52

their relationship. Go. To

15:54

some are you was already a little

15:56

bit skewed but it goes and places

15:58

of like legitimate it. And that's

16:00

that's right there at the epicenter of at that

16:02

moment is. Dan. Finally had

16:04

enough, He says he's moving out and in

16:07

that moment. Heard it's like oh no my

16:09

sweet beloved Dan is moving out. The i

16:11

blame be like yeah was like let me

16:13

dangle something in front of him something he

16:15

wants really badly. Hand is all been in

16:17

front of him like like yeah baby noom

16:19

into like say like weight then I love

16:21

you. Let's have a child of yeah ah.

16:25

Yeah, and that's like is

16:27

so on the nose in

16:29

that way. It's pretty delightful

16:31

and also poor. Then you

16:33

are helpless and so abused

16:36

by And Herbert. I don't think

16:38

he's aware of his his abuse, but he

16:40

is. This. Doing everything he

16:42

can to maintain the ends justify

16:44

the means, is all he ever

16:46

can contain. Yeah, well, it is.

16:48

Yeah, it's like both. Herbert

16:50

has his own things and the only other

16:52

thing that he possibly cares about besides the

16:55

work. Is. He wants

16:57

them to be happy. He wants to

16:59

to be happy with him together for

17:01

a madhouse. But he doesn't want them

17:03

to be legitimately happy. Yeah,

17:06

because he would protect him like you've gone

17:08

out of his way to protect them. So

17:10

yeah, I think that's literally the only piece

17:13

of humanity that Herbert has will restore like

17:15

it's all he's right Matt line where he's

17:17

not quite full Supervillain Doctor West to do

17:19

have a hard. And.

17:22

I think I think that's probably one of the things

17:24

were. These. Two movies have a lot

17:26

more going on in the short story.

17:28

with that kind of our relationship that

17:30

that makes them pretty compelling with their

17:32

characters are think why people like them

17:34

so much. I would like to see

17:36

the seem to characters. And almost

17:38

any situation you know me like it starts with

17:40

a lousy with they can like oh i would

17:43

love to see would vacation with them as like

17:45

and as was using them in like Peru in

17:47

the jungle access this would be their vacation with

17:49

met his offensive always working are always body and

17:51

soul of soldiers and stuff he i guess what's

17:53

left in front of a brief plotline though it's

17:56

not as be to practice a lot of. Pieces.

17:58

Here But or it starts. I believe.

18:00

what? Eight months later? Yeah, they are ausnes of

18:02

miles away. Yeah, like eventually you can sort

18:04

of determined that it's Peru based on some loose

18:07

context. But gosh, he gets a little bit messy.

18:09

So they're in the jungle. They're in a field

18:11

hospital the middle the Civil War, and ah, they're

18:13

still doing experiments on the fly. Eventually, I

18:16

guess. whatever. Are Rebels resistance? Who

18:18

knows they're working for. I put a passive

18:20

working for either side. that all shining path

18:22

gorillas problem with all of that falls apart

18:24

and there's there's a woman there who has

18:26

got the Francesca who at first I know

18:28

based on seen I would assume was not

18:30

going come back is not important be no

18:32

and Bridget the gave her name's I'd assume

18:34

she was and come back and forth. at

18:37

the very least I would also assume that

18:39

she's probably from the country that the scene

18:41

takes place and however I'm wrong and all

18:43

counts by are more on her in a

18:45

moment of that whole thing falls apart. They

18:47

go back to Misc a Tonic University. They

18:49

get a cute little house out near a

18:51

cemetery. Is it not supposed to be the

18:53

same house from the first? Oh no no

18:56

no no, that it. I was trying to

18:58

figure that out while we were watching it

19:00

because you know mister detail where they be

19:02

brought back a specific wanna back here and

19:04

experiment. Yeah, that was a really weird. A

19:06

really weird note during a very chaotic scene

19:09

of like Hayek and Iguanas is appeared. okay.

19:11

we gotta leave but shit we need take

19:13

a sick wanna with a sigh. Yeah, yeah

19:15

and like I'm like that's. That's can

19:17

be easy. That's it. That's it. That's a pet

19:19

store. Iguana power. Like what? Why? Maybe it's the

19:21

specific gene is that lives in this particular jungle

19:23

lad who admit they they don't say yeah, I'd

19:26

there's There's a little bit of a detailed bit

19:28

later. I don't know us. I don't know if

19:30

it actually revealed anything there. Some kind of like.

19:32

They. Give like a proper name for the specific

19:35

wanna and had enough was made for not

19:37

bow plants are they they did. Actually I'm

19:39

a farmer correctly it's not peru. Which.

19:41

Is where they definitely were. ha ha

19:43

ha ha ha ha. Okay,

19:46

okay, I think that kind of fits

19:49

in with sent the slapdash aspects of

19:51

this whole thing. Yeah, yeah, so inexplicably

19:53

they're both back to be Muscatine at

19:55

University Hospital as full fledged doctor. And

19:58

ah, eight months later, they're still repercussions

20:00

from what they call the Misc Atlantic

20:02

Massacre, the events of the end of

20:05

the first film. This is detective that

20:07

like for some reason is like be

20:09

so that the case open he sound

20:12

odd Doctor Hills. Head. Who.

20:14

Is apparently a part of a freak show carnival? This

20:16

like sort sort of like slightly. Animated head or

20:18

something or they don't go into details about

20:20

it. Apparently it's a scene that was that

20:22

was filmed some and does. no one has

20:24

it anymore. There's still have it but no and

20:26

no one has any details on what happened with

20:29

and it's kind of a call back to our

20:31

one of west insults me in the climax of

20:33

the first movie. Where. Hills talking

20:35

about looked like as as just like

20:37

the headless Hill is like talking about,

20:39

liked his plans or what on and

20:41

and West is like who's gonna believe

20:43

you get a job in a freak

20:45

show symptoms and so I guess he

20:48

did. And Die. And then he

20:50

ended up in a plastic bag I getting

20:52

reunited with all the the parts from the

20:54

Massacre that are still being tapped by a

20:56

Doctor Graves. Who has a kind of

20:58

weird obsession with it? But. Also as a been

21:00

really secretive for reasons we don't ever find out.

21:02

Kind of a weirdo in our just kind of

21:04

like a lot of a lot of doctors and

21:06

in these movies are there just a little weird?

21:08

I mean it is our com a habit. Ah

21:10

yes the Harvest been stealing body parts. They've got

21:12

a really cool. A basement in this house?

21:14

That used to be on the mortuary

21:17

for the cemetery. They've. Got material?

21:19

they gotta a wall that's butting up against

21:21

a crypt. That Herbert likes to throw

21:23

things and to when they don't work out

21:25

and it it's a pretty nice setup for

21:28

for two lads to dude they're very important

21:30

experiments. But. For no apparent reason

21:32

our Francesca shows up again. She says she's

21:34

gotta do since since in Boston and it

21:36

turns into she's Italian but was in Peru.

21:39

As. A mercenary I guess?

21:41

I'm not sure. Ah, I assume it's some

21:43

kind of like, you know medicines san Frontiers

21:46

kind of thing as he did know the

21:48

doctors' names when she was working with them.

21:50

When we have to get you outta here

21:52

and ah them into it, she didn't appear

21:54

to be shooting people as much as trying

21:56

to get them out. I. Know. At

21:59

this. The a lot with happening

22:01

however there. Is it was lists. So.

22:03

There's some reagent amongst the body parts

22:05

and Doctor Graves starts playing around with

22:08

the bits. And pieces your animates a bat.

22:10

They decide three animate Dr. Hill Head and then

22:12

we sort of forget about that plot. For

22:14

a while which is the same is

22:16

like he choose the scenery so majestically

22:18

sentence. In fact, the one the weirdest

22:20

things about what happens with the Doctor Help

22:22

plot is it: The movie literally opens first.

22:25

Thing. You see is a disembodied

22:27

head. Of Dr. Hill like breaking

22:29

the Fourth Wall and of talking

22:31

at Herbert West swearing vengeance like it

22:34

is almost like a dream sequence. except

22:36

it's not. Yeah, Very strange and

22:38

I don't know why it was there. I

22:40

guess to remind you. I guess so that

22:42

when that had shows up you don't to six

22:44

something like though he adds dead or whatever. you

22:47

have the feeling that it's coming back. It makes

22:49

me wonder if this movie was. His Frankenstein

22:51

does the things inside. The movie but

22:53

I actually but I'd their no one really

22:55

was writing about the any kind of production

22:57

trouble so I don't I don't really know

22:59

those. Police person in that being said have a

23:01

problem. That for very interesting

23:03

reasons, there are three

23:05

remaining reanimated. Corpses.

23:08

From the massacre and they've got

23:10

them in the hospital. In.

23:12

In a blink of room, And

23:15

what people call him survivors? Yeah, they

23:17

don't know what's really going on. Yeah,

23:19

but they do know that they did.

23:21

They did all come to the hospital

23:23

as corpses. and they'd they'd They of

23:25

course, don't believe that they are reanimated

23:27

corpses. That's impossible. And one of

23:29

the people is his wife and that's

23:31

a really interesting. Motivation for this police

23:33

offers you have taken because you're watching the

23:36

film for quite some time before you realize

23:38

oh, this guy actually does have skin in

23:40

the game. That is also definitely breaking the

23:42

rules because something important is personal for some

23:45

reason, right? Yeah, yeah, he's he. He just

23:47

he does a lot of the. Deeply.

23:51

Off the rails kind of stuff. busing

23:53

into people's houses and have no laurent

23:56

know nothing now. but but but you

23:58

get it once. you really. The old

24:00

that his wife was one of the victims of

24:02

of that However, as like already implied, It's

24:04

complicated basically. Francesca and Dan

24:07

sort of pair off and

24:09

Dan. Wants to leave Herbert because Herbert's

24:11

being a real weirdo and like glued

24:13

together a bunch of fingers and I

24:15

bolland like look i can like eat

24:17

meat life he says the thing when

24:19

he's a consulting doctor. hills this embodied

24:21

head talking about how every part has

24:24

some degree of consciousness attached to it

24:26

which allows him with this new reagent

24:28

of the amniotic fluid from the eeg

24:30

wanna. Bomb is somehow some

24:32

special thing primordial yeah he claims. And

24:34

with the so, there's like a new

24:36

version of the reagent that makes the

24:39

means you can take independent parts and

24:41

stick together to create new like yeah,

24:43

new life and not not just reanimate

24:45

old life, but make new and that

24:47

they don't necessarily go into it. But.

24:50

They do imply quite a bit. That that implies

24:52

that. That. Crazy. Knowledge.

24:55

Really? Does take harbor into

24:57

the realm of. Super.

24:59

Duper mad science like he is. It's the becomes

25:01

obsessed with the new things he can do. And

25:04

does them way more then the rest The

25:06

sell me That implies up until the very

25:08

end. Even

25:11

cross your fingers and all users. During

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excuse him supply. So.

27:10

Let's see. a dog gets killed. A dog gets

27:13

reanimated. A dog. It's a body part attached. To

27:15

it the police guy like busts end of

27:17

the secret lab and gets killed by. Herbert

27:19

using the heart attack potion which was

27:22

first demonstrated on the guano. And yes,

27:24

with that hold one applauded to see.

27:27

If is unnecessary headache split we had

27:29

explain why it's different if you just

27:32

say we made advances in these eight

27:34

months. It has short but he had

27:36

so many weird. So many weird but

27:38

aren't so so. He reanimate lieutenant when

27:40

was headed tries to kill Dan Herbert

27:42

cuts off odd lieutenants arm. Lieutenant.

27:45

Stumbles out of the basement. kills the

27:47

poor.hugs. And

27:49

takes the dogs armed with him because it

27:51

just it was all violent, terrible. And.

27:54

for francesca who brought the dog is

27:56

completely like you know overcome with with

27:58

shock and grief And Herbert just

28:01

like, well, wait, not what not and takes the

28:03

dog back downstairs and puts

28:05

the lieutenant arm on the dog. So

28:07

now the dog, I

28:10

guess, shakes hands with Francesca at

28:12

one point. Yeah. Like big sausagy

28:15

fingers. Francesca, her

28:17

motives become completely confused at this

28:20

point because she's like –

28:22

Well, who could blame her? Like Dan's a

28:24

monster, her dog's dead. This policeman had already

28:26

fed her a bunch of information about like

28:28

– about maybe Dan and Herbert are evil

28:30

and like – and then she sees all

28:32

this stuff that she can't explain and then she's still kind

28:34

of like an ally and then she's

28:36

still kind of into Dan and none of it

28:38

makes sense anymore. But

28:41

Dan's leaving and Herbert barters

28:43

and manipulates and says like, hey, I've got Meg's

28:46

heart. Like it'll be because – because every body

28:48

part has a little bit of consciousness, we could

28:50

make a new body. It could be

28:52

Meg. And Dan is like

28:55

switch flipped. He's like, I'm in. So

28:59

then a bunch of Brighter Frankenstein stuff

29:01

happens. They get a bunch

29:03

of parts. The bride is created

29:05

and then destroyed in very quick

29:07

succession after like – Because women

29:10

are jealous of men and hate each other

29:12

and then this cat fight happens for

29:14

no reason and things get really –

29:16

like things get really increasingly sexist as

29:18

the movie goes on and then it just all kind

29:20

of like tumbles to pieces because, oh right,

29:23

Dr. Hill's head is there. He

29:25

can control the policeman and the

29:28

three reanimated people and

29:30

like – Gets them to break him out

29:32

of the morgue at the university. And

29:34

forces Dr. Graves to sew bat

29:37

wings on his head so he can fly around. Which

29:40

like – there's a little part about that that I

29:42

thought was really hilarious, which is like when

29:44

he's flying around later on in the house,

29:47

he insults West by calling him

29:49

like an idiotic biped or something,

29:51

which is hilarious. Like

29:54

by this point, Hill's totally into it. He's

29:57

adopted his new identity as – Bat-winged

30:00

head monster and it's a little

30:02

yeah He's

30:05

totally in for it Yeah,

30:08

which is like which is wild and you're

30:10

like, okay, where's this gonna go? I'm excited

30:12

and it doesn't go anywhere Yeah, it's

30:14

just revenge. Yeah, like there's a bunch of

30:16

chaos at the house. They have to escape into the

30:19

crypt Oh, it turns out the crypt is full

30:21

of quote-unquote rejects because as

30:23

you've only kind of seen Herbert has

30:25

been casually when he gets bored Attaching

30:27

body parts seeing what happens and then

30:29

throwing them away and that's

30:32

where all of society guys material.

30:34

Yes Quite quite

30:36

an abundance. Yeah, so

30:38

you get this crazy sequence with a bunch of

30:41

monstrosities and then everything everything falls

30:43

apart There's a cave-in Herbert and dr. Hill

30:45

are trapped in it Dan and Francesca emerge

30:47

and the movie's over. Yep Yeah,

30:49

no epilogue No Nothing

30:51

like there's just you know, it could have it could

30:53

have stood to have maybe another 60 seconds

30:55

to two minutes worth of something some resolution

30:58

I mean the first movie ends on that

31:00

ambiguous note up is Herbert West and dr

31:02

Hill there they're fighting and then the smoke

31:04

goes off and are they dead? but then

31:06

you have that day no more of Dan

31:09

trying to bring his girlfriend back to

31:11

life and failing and then he had it

31:13

succumbs to using the reagent That's a horror

31:16

movie ending here. This it felt like it

31:18

ended mid-action scene and Nothing

31:20

was resolved like it's it's it's just kind

31:22

of left there Yeah and in

31:25

a way that aspect

31:27

of the movie like in terms of how

31:29

how it kind of ends like Not

31:31

the abruptness of it, but just the overall like

31:33

theme of it I guess actually does track to

31:35

the book which is basically, you know Herbert's been

31:38

doing all kinds of stuff creating Monsters

31:40

and then eventually they come for him and

31:42

they like drag him through the wall Through

31:45

a tunnel that they've dug into his basement like

31:47

that's pretty much the end of him As

31:50

he's dragged away and the unnamed assistant

31:52

runs for it. Although, you know,

31:54

Herbert's much more of a bad guy in the original and

31:57

Dr. Hill doesn't really exist. There's a

31:59

there's There's an army captain who's like a

32:01

surgeon who he works with during the war

32:04

who kind of is what Dr. Hill becomes

32:06

the kind of you know disembodied head and

32:10

he actually in the story kind

32:13

of is tracking

32:15

down West and like is out to

32:17

get him and like so it's

32:20

kind of it ends

32:22

pretty true to the book but

32:25

as far as a movie like it's a

32:27

pretty sloppy end especially after all the various

32:29

parts and you know the film is called

32:31

Bride of Reanimator which implies both the sequel

32:33

and then also an allusion to Bride of

32:35

Frankenstein or really more of a direct

32:38

reference and that component of it gets

32:40

really weird as so many things

32:43

are happening and it gets to a point

32:45

where the attention is split three ways. Three

32:47

separate things are occurring in the story and

32:49

the way that they cut between them you

32:51

realize like oh it's almost like

32:53

no time is passed between these scenes but these

32:55

scenes are taking huge amounts of time. Twenty minutes.

32:58

Yeah so we're like we're cutting to like Dan

33:00

and the bride like having some

33:02

moments and Francesca fleeing all the

33:04

like deadites outside and

33:07

then Herbert being called inexplicably

33:09

upstairs to find

33:12

a box slowly open the box and

33:14

be surprised by a bat head that at

33:17

first he doesn't realize what it is and

33:19

then that plot stops we do a bunch

33:21

of other stuff as the Francesca and Dan

33:23

things collide and then Herbert gets reintroduced back in

33:25

the picture and then Dr. Hill is still unaccounted

33:27

for until boom all of a sudden there it

33:29

is. It's very odd but

33:32

let's talk about the bride which is

33:34

an interesting conundrum centerpiece of like

33:36

the main action of the two

33:39

characters but also

33:41

a completely insignificant component

33:43

when actually assembled. Yeah kind

33:45

of like you said where it's you know Herbert's

33:48

kind of abusive relationship you

33:51

know she's the child that nobody really

33:53

wants. Yeah

33:55

and then weirdly like there's part this

33:57

film that one could say oh it's

33:59

sloppily. written but then another hand like it

34:02

also fits so perfectly and it always centers

34:04

around Herbert and Dan's relationship. Herbert

34:06

is obsessed with making this bride because he

34:08

gets to do a project with Dan

34:10

and because he gets to because like

34:13

because Dan is invested once again in

34:15

the work that Herbert is passionate about

34:17

and they're doing something together and it

34:19

doesn't matter that he's doing this thing

34:21

that he doesn't want to do, Herbert is

34:24

still antagonistic towards any female presence

34:26

in Dan's life. Like that

34:28

is completely unchanged and

34:30

here he is creating like and God created

34:32

woman like he's having these moments

34:35

he's still doing that but only

34:37

because it's a weird project that

34:39

he can do with Dan and Herbert is kind of

34:42

gross and weird about it like when he's hovering

34:44

over the body explaining where all the parts came

34:46

from which is a really cool scene but then

34:48

there's like there's elements like she has a womb

34:50

of a virgin and like that

34:52

hasn't known the pleasures of flesh or something like that

34:54

it's like okay yeah that's Herbert

34:57

that's really gross but you wouldn't know because you

34:59

don't understand this at all. You

35:01

know he does then say after after he

35:04

finishes labeling all these pieces he's like but

35:06

you know what now literally none of

35:08

that matters it's just dead tissue and we're gonna

35:10

give it all new meaning like an etch a

35:13

sketch of life you know so I'm like why

35:15

did you have to be so weird like

35:17

about it like yeah he's as

35:21

detached as the rest of those body parts.

35:23

I mean he talks it up and it's super

35:25

important it's super important it's super important until it

35:28

wrongs him until it steals

35:30

Dan's attention away until the cat fight breaks out

35:33

and everything and then as everything's falling apart and

35:35

they just need to get the fuck out of

35:37

there once again running away from their problems Herbert's

35:40

like it's just a bunch of dead flesh

35:42

like all meaning of this experiment she rejected

35:45

Herbert she keeps saying she looks at Dan and say you

35:47

made me and Herbert's like I made you you know cuz

35:49

I first like we're gonna do this we're gonna do this

35:52

but then once the bride actually shows up it's like well

35:54

I made you you know and the

35:56

the moment the piece de

35:59

resistance of This movie is

36:01

where Herbert's about to apply

36:03

the reagent to her heart

36:06

and Dan's like no, let me do it And

36:14

then and then of course delicate let's put his hand on

36:21

It is a strange energy it

36:23

is a strange strange energy throughout

36:25

the film ultimately it's about the love

36:27

of these two men Written

36:30

in a way that I can't really figure

36:33

out how much any Individual was aware

36:35

of what they were doing aside from

36:37

probably the actors But I

36:39

don't know that the writers or directors had like what

36:41

did they think they were writing? if

36:43

they just straight-up knew what they were writing then it becomes

36:46

extremely interesting because of how Misogynistic

36:48

or sexist like depending on the

36:50

context it is towards all other

36:53

components all female components of this

36:55

movie are dubious

36:57

I Have

36:59

no answers Speechless.

37:02

Yeah. Yeah, I mean yeah It

37:05

would be a huge coincidence if it wasn't

37:07

intentional on some level. It has

37:10

to be somehow I mean like just the way you know

37:12

what I'll give it this much benefit of the doubt if

37:14

it wasn't Written to be that

37:16

way The actors chose

37:18

to perform it that way. It's not

37:21

subtle like you know what I mean like like the two

37:23

of them every

37:25

every hand place every

37:27

every look at each other is an

37:30

actor's choice, so Either

37:33

it was written and they're doing it the way it was written or

37:35

they choose to interpret it that way is

37:37

it an intentional Commentary of some

37:39

kind or is it Finn and Poe you know

37:42

we're like they decided to take it in that

37:44

direction You know I don't know, but

37:46

it's fascinating to watch adjacent to this

37:48

We mentioned last time that there were

37:50

a couple reanimator sequels that didn't get

37:52

made the most famous of which is

37:55

house of reanimator Which I

37:57

have a little bit more detail on there was actually

37:59

a number of articles elaborating on it

38:01

that it would have been about Dan

38:03

is actively trying to reanimate Meg and

38:05

gets pulled in by the White

38:07

House to Reanimate the president

38:10

where he is reunited with Herbert to do

38:12

this thing for King and country And

38:15

the president is George W Bush in like

38:17

a later draft and that almost happened like

38:19

and apparently William H Macy was in talks

38:22

to be the president at some point this

38:24

thing was initially like a grain of an

38:26

idea Around the time of Bride

38:28

of Reanimator and then got resurrected Wow a little

38:30

bit later But didn't actually make it from the

38:32

grave one of those weird What ifs when I

38:35

guess that's kind of on par with Jeffrey

38:37

Combs almost sending up the captain

38:40

of the starship enterprise what on

38:42

on enterprise Jeffrey Combs was

38:44

in the running to be Riker and

38:48

originally Patrick Stewart was only

38:50

going to do Picard for a year and

38:53

then Riker was going to take over Hello

38:55

in a slightly different timeline. Yeah Combs got

38:57

the role over freaks And

39:00

then Picard steps down and then we've

39:02

got Captain Riker played by Jeffrey Combs

39:05

stranger things have happened You

39:08

know if that had happened We probably

39:10

wouldn't have gotten Bride of Reanimator and

39:12

in fact It was almost not Jeffrey

39:14

Combs playing Herbert West which I can't

39:16

imagine that it was only a Scheduling

39:19

conflict that got worked out is the only

39:21

reason he is here in this movie and he is Well

39:24

he or he and Dan and their their thing

39:26

the rest of this movie could exist and it'd be campy and

39:28

weird But it would not be

39:31

worth half a damn without them Yeah,

39:34

it's perhaps no coincidence that horror movie sequels

39:36

in general are a lot like the literary

39:39

format of the exquisite corpse Where

39:41

someone writes something and then

39:44

another person writes something else with

39:46

no communication between the two of them And

39:48

it just keeps going on and on

39:50

and on and until it abstractly ends

39:52

and the sort of dedication To

39:55

continuing something that someone liked

39:57

one time nowhere. Is it so? as

40:00

it is in horror films because horror

40:02

doesn't take itself so seriously that when

40:05

it falls apart and gets funky

40:07

and directions shift wildly there's not

40:09

the same kind of criticism. Yeah

40:11

I mean look at other franchise that

40:13

Jason takes Manhattan you know like it

40:15

was so far down that line and

40:17

that wasn't even the end of the

40:19

entire series so there's precedent. It is

40:22

okay for things to get silly and weird

40:24

and in this case this one is only

40:26

just ever so slightly shuffled

40:28

off course from the first one. It feels

40:31

pretty authentic it's just it's just a

40:33

shame that it couldn't get

40:35

all of its pieces to turn into something. I feel

40:37

like it's almost there. I wish that she had had

40:39

more purpose in the end but really

40:45

it was just an attempt to sew their relationship

40:47

back together and and it didn't work out

40:49

and then we don't yeah just I don't

40:51

know. I mean in the actual Bride of Frankenstein movie

40:53

the bride only in it for like three minutes you

40:55

know like a picture of character on every movie poster

40:57

iconic everything basically had

41:00

this bride has more screen time you know.

41:02

Yeah. Speaking of that that's kind of another

41:04

aspect of this movie that I noticed is

41:06

a big difference in the first one which

41:08

Reanimator itself is is definitely it's a a

41:11

retelling of Frankenstein just kind of

41:13

like it's like weird science pulp

41:16

Frankenstein. This one leans into that

41:18

so much so much more

41:20

heavily than the first one. It

41:22

literally only uses two

41:25

sound effects for lightning which is the

41:27

infamous castle thunder sound effect from like

41:29

the 1930s. So it

41:32

was a definite choice you have there's so many lightning

41:34

sound effects they only used those two back and forth

41:36

alternating and when you listen to it again you hear

41:38

it you know I was I was keeping the ear

41:40

out for cuz as soon as they did it the

41:42

first time I'm like that's that's

41:44

the Frankenstein sound effect and then they just kept

41:47

using it over and over and over and over and over

41:49

and over for the rest of the movie which you know

41:51

that's the point. Will we go

41:54

beyond Reanimator? I'm scared too.

41:56

I'm kind of scared too as well

41:58

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44:00

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44:03

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