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2:49

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2:52

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2:54

many of us, we're just kind of scratching our heads

2:57

and Googling stuff like where to move,

2:59

okay, if you have DUI. But

3:02

anyway, it's, what is it?

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Tuesday, January 2nd? Yeah,

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to see it. Anyway, it's July 2nd, 2024. It's

3:28

National Wildman Firefighter Day.

3:30

Also, National Anis Aniset

3:33

Day. I guess that's some kind

3:35

of liqueur about anis. I hate

3:37

anisies. That's just one of the

3:39

worst, most violent flavors to my

3:41

palate. My name is Miles

3:43

Gray, AKA the Lord of Lancashire, the North

3:46

Hollywood legend, AKA the Shogun with no gun.

3:49

And I am thrilled to be joined today by my

3:52

co-host, who's a fantastic

3:54

comedian, journalist, activist, host,

3:57

parent, walker of gardens, you know. does

3:59

it all. A fantastic person and one

4:01

of our favorite people to have on.

4:03

I'm referencing the time that we all

4:05

went to the gardens. Oh, we walk

4:07

gardens. Yeah, we walk gardens. We walk

4:09

gardens anyway. Welcome to the show. My

4:11

guest, co-host, Francesca Fiorentini.

4:15

Aka, Jessica to the rescue, the friend

4:17

with the plan, leader of

4:19

the friend Tifa, stand back and

4:22

stand by and free Palestine. Stand

4:24

back and stand by, please. Thank

4:27

you so much for joining me, Francesca. Today

4:30

we have two fantastic guests

4:32

from a very fantastic podcast.

4:35

Every time we've talked about Alex Jones on

4:37

the show, like, you know, who

4:40

knows a lot about Alex Jones and info

4:42

wars. The knowledge fight guys. You

4:44

should buy a Jordan and damn. And

4:47

I said, I, but we will. That's a very

4:49

good idea because we would always like to defer

4:51

to people who know more about us, especially when

4:53

it relates to something like that. Please

4:56

welcome comedians, hosts and wonderful

4:58

natives of Chicago. Jordan

5:01

Holmes and Dan Frisin. Hey,

5:03

hello. Hello. Welcome. I have

5:06

no, I have no rhymes nor

5:08

nor nicknames really. I'm just, I'm

5:10

just Jordan. Okay. Now, but,

5:12

and I feel terrible because I bought you

5:14

a bottle of Sambuca. I

5:17

didn't know you were so averse to Anise. Doesn't

5:19

do it. My, my welcome gift

5:21

is like Anise. It

5:24

sounds like your ex rather than like Anise. Anise

5:27

is, I think what it is. Well, it's, I

5:29

don't know. Are you here both ways? I feel

5:31

like whenever you're watching like chef shows, there's like

5:33

a person who went to like Europe once and

5:35

they say one thing. Oh, so

5:38

it's in Europe. It's Uranus. Yeah,

5:41

exactly. It's an ass.

5:44

Comedians and hosts of knowledge.

5:46

Okay. Sorry. I

5:48

was doing my best kindler. I was giving it a shot. I

5:50

was giving it a shot. How

5:53

you guys doing? What's going on? What's the, how's Chicago? How's

5:55

the weather? What's going on over there? It's

5:58

a dream. I

6:00

don't know. I barely leave the house. What's the

6:02

deep point? Yeah, are we in wet bulb territory

6:04

over there? Here's

6:07

the thing. You're talking to the two of us. I

6:09

can't remember the last time I did Small Talk about

6:12

the well. I haven't spoken to a human being that's

6:14

not Dan or my wife, probably in three years. I

6:18

mean that very genuinely. And you're

6:20

hundreds of thousands of listeners.

6:22

Very normal. Very normal podcast

6:25

guy energy. I love it. I

6:27

have to do Small Talk because in the same way

6:29

I only talk to Jack, my

6:31

wife, my baby, and the random neighbor.

6:34

And I always fail at Small Talk. They're like, how you been?

6:36

I'm like, tell

6:38

me about your random neighbor. I'm

6:40

sweating. What's going on with them? Just

6:43

good. Just asking questions

6:46

that I don't like answering. Because

6:48

I don't like Small Talk all the time. Because I'm

6:50

always in a light form of panic. But

6:53

yeah, guys, Knowledge Fight is

6:55

a fantastic show. I love

6:58

when comedians help me understand things

7:00

because I typically learn through the

7:02

language of laughter or absurdity or

7:04

irony. And the way y'all do

7:07

that is absolutely fantastic. It's top

7:09

draw. And there's so

7:11

much happening with Alex Jones all the

7:13

time that I'm always interacting through maybe

7:15

viral clips or the headlines that there's

7:18

so much, you know, you forget that

7:20

this guy's talking all the time. And

7:23

there's so much to parse through. And half the

7:25

time, even with the news articles I read, they're

7:27

not really giving the full picture because he says

7:29

so much and so much is going on. So

7:31

I'm really glad that you're on because I have

7:33

a lot of questions. Wow. And like mainly like

7:35

how do you guys, the show started

7:37

with the beginning of 2017. Yeah, I

7:39

think early January 2017. Yeah, it was pretty

7:42

close after the 2016

7:46

election. It was where the

7:49

curiosity really became too

7:51

much. Right. Right. Right. To ignore. Yeah.

7:54

Almost eight years then. Yeah.

7:57

I mean, like, you know,

7:59

Francesca. and we talk about

8:01

the news enough and that's already just

8:04

life-changing and debilitating in its own

8:06

way. I can't imagine doing Alex

8:08

Jones. Are you able

8:10

to find energy from that? I'm still living

8:12

in this country. I mean, miles from joked

8:14

about leaving, but whenever I sort of am

8:17

up against the crazy of the craze, there's

8:19

always a part of me, maybe it's the majority of me

8:22

that's like, you can have it.

8:24

Just have it. If I do interviews

8:26

and I get a MAGA person who's

8:28

like, yep, the ISIS tries to

8:30

recruit me. They call me every single day. I'm like, isn't

8:32

that just a phone company trying to get you to switch

8:34

plans? Like, nope, it's ISIS. I'm like, you know what, lady?

8:37

Sure. Just goodbye.

8:41

But yeah, the fact that you guys stick... My

8:43

question is first, if InfoWars

8:45

goes under, do you

8:47

stop knowledge from that? I didn't want to go

8:49

there quite yet, but yeah. Okay. I'm so sorry.

8:51

No, no, no, no, no, no. Actually, how about

8:54

we do it this way? I will cut the

8:56

both of you off and I'm going to ask

8:58

Dan a question. Dan, how

9:00

do you do it? It's been

9:02

eight years. You listen to Alex Jones.

9:04

How did you not lose your mind?

9:07

I guess I

9:09

was crazy to begin with. There's

9:11

one. But no, two, it's

9:14

not really Alex Jones. I

9:17

think that we were listening to him

9:19

for him at the

9:22

beginning, but there's so many offshoot things

9:24

that you can pay attention to that

9:26

you get a way in from him.

9:28

It can

9:31

be a real bummer to recognize

9:33

the real world piece of

9:35

this. Politics is real and it does affect

9:38

people. And that is terrible, what Alex

9:42

represents. But you can find

9:44

some baddie

9:46

stuff too. And that helps you keep your

9:48

sanity. You find the crazy stuff and then...

9:50

It is kind of interesting to take the

9:55

debate or whatever in context for us,

9:58

because a lot of people are... They're

10:00

panicking. They're like, ah, Joe Biden, he

10:02

looks terrible. And my

10:04

instant reaction through our lens is kind of like,

10:06

oh, well, he should have been plumping. What

10:09

he needed to do was inject himself with

10:11

bags of blood in order to gain strength

10:13

for the debate. See, in

10:15

our world, that's what Alex would claim

10:17

he was doing if he was doing

10:19

well. So because he's not doing

10:22

well, he must not be plumping. The

10:24

right was setting it up. Yeah,

10:26

they didn't buy enough whatever. Exactly.

10:29

Silver pills, whatever the shit he's

10:31

talking about. Colloidal silver, okay. It's

10:33

a silver bullet. Okay. Totally.

10:36

Yeah. You know your stuff.

10:38

Oh, yeah. Look, man, I'm big into

10:40

nutraceuticals, man. It's how I'm growing my hair back. It's

10:43

not working out. You look great. Thanks, man.

10:45

I'm 22. We're

10:48

going to get to know you guys a little bit

10:50

more. But again, like we said, we're going to be

10:52

talking all things Alex Jones with our

10:54

wonderful guests. But first, we'd like to get to

10:56

know our guests a little bit better. So Dan, Jordan,

10:58

what's something from your search history recently that's

11:00

revealing about who you guys are, what you're

11:02

into right now? I

11:06

just think my search history would be

11:08

like indistinguishable from a curious bigot. You

11:11

know, like, so I just I can't

11:13

even imagine what is in there. For

11:15

analogy, right or wrong. Yeah,

11:18

got to know more. Right,

11:21

right, right, right. How to apply

11:23

for black jobs. Exactly. Yeah.

11:26

What about you, Jordan? Well,

11:29

my search history is just

11:31

me and my wife occasionally

11:34

joking around with my last search,

11:37

I believe was is pepper

11:39

a rock? Because

11:41

we were we were grinding it through

11:44

the thing, you know, the pepper grinder.

11:46

And I jokingly told her because she

11:48

was also grinding salt. You also grind

11:50

salt, which is a rock.

11:53

Right. Yeah. So I was like,

11:55

oh, did you know pepper was a rock too? And then

11:57

she forced me to Google it. But

11:59

whenever you're. forced to Google something that

12:01

you are 100% certain was a joke,

12:03

you suddenly question yourself and

12:06

like, wait, is there a form of pepper that

12:08

is a rock? Yeah. And I'm gonna find,

12:11

you know, Google search history. Right. Probably

12:13

what tell you it's a rock. Yeah.

12:16

It's a corn. It's like a

12:19

pepper. Doesn't it come? It comes

12:21

off the tree, don't it? It's

12:23

a, it's a, it's a seed.

12:25

Yeah. Yeah. It's a peppercorn. It's

12:27

corn from the stock. Yeah.

12:30

The big, big

12:33

black corn. I don't know. Why is it?

12:35

That's what I want to know. Why

12:37

is that

12:39

the type of pepper you like the BBC?

12:44

Big black corn. During the history of

12:46

thinking things are rocks that aren't generally.

12:49

Yes. You also believe that,

12:51

uh, that Ebony was a rock because

12:54

of a Skyrim Skyrim made me think

12:56

if you can make armor out of

12:58

it, that it's probably a rock. I

13:00

don't get why this doesn't make perfect sense

13:03

to everybody. Oh shit. Yeah. I mean, I

13:05

get that. We're like, yeah, the reality of

13:07

a video game kind of begins to blend

13:09

in with your lived life. I'm like, I

13:11

don't know. I don't know if the developers

13:13

would really make me look that stupid about

13:15

this. It's wood. No, I had

13:19

wooden armor this whole time. Uh,

13:22

underrated. Dan, Jordan, uh, who

13:24

wants to go first? What's the main thing is

13:26

underrated. Uh, well, I mean,

13:28

today we're recording. This is, uh, is

13:30

the first, I think July 4th independence

13:33

day is underrated because

13:35

a lot of people now, a lot

13:37

of people want to celebrate the United

13:39

States or whatever, but I think that's

13:41

insane. I think what we need to

13:44

do is celebrate the fact that we

13:46

as a people decided what to do

13:48

if there was a King and

13:51

you know, if there's a King, we

13:53

know what to do. So happy July

13:55

4th, everybody. Take a look

13:57

at what the Supreme court just

14:00

rolled. Happy July 4th. everybody. Also,

14:02

Independence Day, a fantastic Harry Connick

14:04

Jr. vehicle, one of the great 90s

14:08

movies of our time, I think. Centennial

14:12

performances. Yeah, no, clearly

14:14

we didn't celebrate our independence hard enough. I

14:16

think you might be right if we could

14:18

just so easily make kings.

14:20

Or I will remind

14:22

you, queens, hell, one

14:27

can dream. Confused like from Jordan

14:29

there. I'm confused. Are you

14:31

asking for monarchies? I'm

14:34

just saying if you're gonna legalize a

14:36

king, then that means we could also

14:39

be a queen. That'd be, yeah. I

14:41

was explicitly calling for the violent overthrow of

14:43

the United States government. Yes, no, we understand

14:45

that. I apologize if that was not very

14:47

clear. Oh, no, I know. You

14:50

were talking about King George. I

14:53

was really worried you were gonna

14:55

get patriotic there for a minute

14:57

when you were saying that 4th

14:59

of July was underrated. What about

15:01

you, Dan? Something that you

15:03

think is underrated. I

15:06

don't know how to describe it, but it's songs

15:08

that are similar to like Mandolin

15:10

Rain by Bruce Hornsby

15:13

or Go West's King

15:16

of Wishful Thinking. Uh-huh.

15:19

There's a genre of like these old really

15:21

bad songs. Wait, what's the first one? I

15:23

just want to, just so I can reference

15:25

it really quick. Bruce Hornsby,

15:27

Mandolin Rain. What's

15:29

the setting? I

15:32

don't, I have a terrible falsetto. Are we on horseback? Have

15:34

we like, have we done

15:36

some genociding? No, you're

15:38

at the end of your rope. You're

15:40

just emotionally, yeah. A filling

15:43

replace. Maybe, maybe. A

15:45

particularly emotionally draining filling. Right,

15:47

right. It's just, yeah, that

15:49

genre of music, sometimes you

15:51

just need it. That was

15:53

your ex-girlfriend's favorite filling. That's the one

15:56

you're getting removed. I

15:59

recently stumbled to cross a couple songs that kind

16:01

of sound like that. And I don't know what

16:03

it is, but it hit me. It hit me

16:06

hard. I love, I love like some songs that

16:08

are so like saccharine or just sort of take

16:10

you back to like some era where no

16:13

one knew anything about what was actually happening

16:15

in the world. That's what it is. It

16:17

sounds like a time when no one knew

16:19

what, like how fucked up the world was.

16:21

And you're like, yeah, dude, fucking mandolin rain,

16:24

man. Or, uh, that's the end of, the

16:26

innocence. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's also

16:28

in that genre. Oh, the return of innocent

16:31

by Nick. No, not, no, not a Nick.

16:38

But this, by the way, this music video

16:40

is wild. It looks like, like me

16:42

sitting around with a bunch of jam band

16:45

guys in like first year of college and

16:47

watching them all play the mandolin and smoking

16:49

like out of a big bong and being

16:51

like, yeah, I love this. You're,

16:53

you are like fish. Yeah, man.

16:55

Mandolin. Well, now I gotta, what, what is it?

16:57

I mean, it's not like quite yacht rock. You

17:00

are like fish. Yeah, man. Mandolin. Well,

17:03

now I gotta, what, what is it? I

17:05

mean, it's not like quite yacht rock. It's

17:07

like just sort of that soft jazz. No,

17:10

but that is music to fuck too.

17:12

Also that is another thing that's underrated

17:14

though too is the yacht rock, uh,

17:16

web series from, oh, your channel. Yeah.

17:19

Everybody knows. Oh, that was actually the

17:21

way I started listening to yacht rock.

17:23

Like ironically was because I loved the

17:25

depictions of like how Kenny Loggins and

17:28

all that were fucking chatting shit. And

17:30

I was like, there's a little

17:32

bit more depth to this shit. So

17:35

you, would you say that you got on

17:37

the highway to the danger zone? I absolutely

17:39

did. And, uh, I looked at

17:42

a Michael McDonald, greatest hits album and said,

17:44

you belong to me. Oh man.

17:48

He did a, he did a verse

17:50

on a Holy Ghost track. The Holy

17:53

Ghost was like a early thousands dance

17:56

punk, you know, like the, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Brooklyn era kind

17:58

of thing. And, uh, it's. It's

18:00

just so fantastic to hear his wild

18:03

ass, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, over

18:05

a dance punk track. It's just a, oh,

18:07

it's perfect. It's perfect. That's great. He kind

18:09

of, yeah, he was sort of like, in

18:11

a way, like yarling, but we didn't quite

18:13

know what it was yet. Just

18:15

like that way of singing. We were

18:18

like, there's something infectious about how fuck,

18:20

how McDonald gets down. Yeah. You

18:22

keep forgetting how good he is. Yeah. That's

18:25

another one of the songs. Me too. It's good.

18:27

Yeah. We're not in love anymore. It'll

18:29

never be the same again. I

18:33

guess I'm on my own. There

18:36

we go. We've done it. We've completed the

18:38

circle. We did it. Jordan, what is something

18:40

you think is overrated? I'm

18:42

gonna go with democracy. Democracy

18:45

as a whole is overrated. I

18:47

think people have been telling me this

18:50

whole time that we've been doing it, right?

18:52

And clearly we haven't. I

18:55

haven't seen any, nobody's ever represented by

18:57

interests one time. Nobody's even listened to

19:00

me. Every time I've been like,

19:02

hey, maybe we should do this. They've countered

19:04

with no. How about more to the military?

19:06

So I say no masks, no

19:09

more democracy. Yeah. Let's

19:12

embrace it for what it is,

19:14

popularity contest. Absolutely. I refuse to

19:16

participate any longer in the

19:19

whole thing. You're coming in hot

19:22

today. That's right. That's what I

19:24

could pick. Well, actually, so here's what

19:26

happened. Can I

19:28

recommend you sit down and listen to some

19:30

Bruce Hornsby? I think you're right. It's pretty

19:33

levelized. Think about them pepper rocks. All right.

19:35

It's my fault. About an hour ago, my

19:37

little sister texted me, asking me if I

19:39

could pick her up from the airport from

19:41

Midway. So my stress

19:43

has been high and I want to end the

19:45

country because of that. That's basically it. Just because

19:47

you got to go to Midway. Yeah, that's pretty

19:49

much all I need. And

19:51

people in LA have the same thing when

19:54

someone's like, hey, can you come to LAX?

19:56

So I could die trying to

19:58

get in because it takes. fucking seven years?

20:00

No, no, I'm good. Yeah,

20:03

this thing, this thing they call democracy here.

20:05

It's really something, especially when they keep saying

20:07

things like, this is the fight for democracy

20:09

and this is the guy who will defend

20:12

it. And you're like, are we talking about

20:14

the same thing? I think we're having a

20:16

great time. Yeah. It

20:18

is interesting that it is still July 4th

20:20

week and this is like the UK is

20:23

having their elections and you're like,

20:25

yeah, I know they have a king still, but at

20:27

least they have a parliament. Like at

20:29

least it's representative. At least there's more

20:31

than one party. Could we fucking get

20:33

that over here so that maybe someone

20:35

who doesn't want all money to military

20:37

could represent us? Well,

20:39

they come up with some cool stuff. I

20:41

mean, I think the country of Brexit is

20:44

clearly the one we should follow right now.

20:46

I'm just saying, would it be such a

20:48

bad thing to be decolonized? Now

20:52

we're talking. Now you're speaking my language.

20:54

So we can throw the shackles of

20:56

the monarchy off of ourselves yet again.

21:00

As long as it's not

21:02

forage involved. Yeah. Oh, nice.

21:04

What about you, Dan? What's

21:06

something you think is overrated?

21:09

I always have a difficult time with overrated

21:11

because, you know, like it has

21:13

such a negativity, but I think Reese's

21:16

peanut butter cups, you

21:19

know, I don't want to put any person down

21:21

by saying that some piece of art is overrated

21:23

or anything like that. Because, you know, people are

21:25

trying. People are trying. Mona

21:28

Lisa. Yeah. Trash. I

21:30

hear my thoughts on Roscoe, but whatever. Yeah. I

21:35

think Reese's peanut butter cups are there. They get

21:37

more credit than they do. Are

21:39

you, are you a peanut butter chocolate combo

21:41

advocate or you are just generally like man,

21:43

fuck, I don't give a fuck about peanut

21:45

and chocolate. I definitely

21:47

see where it's coming from. I can see

21:49

the allure of it. I see the peanut

21:51

butter and chocolate, how they complement each other.

21:54

That I'm not. It doesn't miss

21:56

me entirely, but yeah, Reese's peanut butter cup.

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as I said, as someone that only

27:17

hears about Alex Jones again through like

27:19

whatever viral clip is blowing up or

27:21

just like the headlines and then subsequent

27:24

news stories from the mainstream

27:26

media. I'm always like trying to figure

27:28

out what exactly is happening because every

27:30

time I see a headline, I'm like,

27:32

oh, okay, this guy is

27:34

fucked. And then he's back or

27:36

it's like, oh, this guy's crying? What

27:39

is what I thought. But then

27:41

another time he's like, I'm declaring victory over

27:43

the globalists. And you're like, I thought you

27:45

just you just said they were killing you.

27:48

What is going on? Right now,

27:50

what I've seen in like the last week, right was

27:52

the last a

27:55

court trustee is planning to shut down in

27:57

four wars. Then a few

27:59

days ago, a judge much blocked one

28:01

of the Sandy Hook families from collecting

28:03

a payout. What is

28:05

the overall state exactly of InfoWars?

28:07

Because I know now he's doing

28:10

a lot of maneuvering to avoid

28:12

the financial fallout, and I know

28:14

his dad is now involved. But

28:17

help me understand what the state is exactly

28:19

right now. If these

28:21

headlines are completely meaningless, or this

28:23

is a slow process where eventually

28:25

InfoWars is dismantled

28:27

and sold off? Well,

28:29

it's very complicated. And I'll just

28:32

give you a very broad version

28:34

of this, and then Jordan will

28:36

yell about it. Because maybe I'm

28:38

certainly I'm certain he's very mad.

28:41

But so basically, there are

28:43

two sets of cases.

28:45

There's the Connecticut cases, and there's

28:47

the Texas plaintiffs. And

28:50

they have different ideas about

28:52

how to approach Alex's case

28:55

now that it has been kicked out of

28:57

bankruptcy, the federal court that happened like, what

28:59

was that on the 14th of

29:02

last month, something like that. And so now

29:04

we're in a situation where the Texas plaintiffs

29:06

went to state court because he had been

29:08

kicked out of bankruptcy. So now was able

29:10

to go and try and get collected on

29:13

the things that he owes them. And

29:15

the federal court said, no, we're gonna

29:17

do a wind down. So the court

29:19

blocking that was that. And

29:22

then now they're doing the trustee is

29:24

part of the attempt to wind

29:26

down the business in an orderly

29:28

fashion that they believe will create

29:30

more of a pot for the

29:32

plaintiffs to split up. Right.

29:35

Right. And so I think

29:37

he is like, screwed in some sense,

29:39

like the InfoWars is probably going to

29:41

end up deteriorating through this.

29:44

But you mentioned his dad. It's

29:48

very clear that they've set up a whole new

29:50

thing that is going to live on after this.

29:54

And it's gonna probably be a situation

29:56

where he's able to maneuver all this

29:58

and keep on going. So

30:00

yeah it's like a three headed hydra with

30:02

his dad basically and now it's like yeah

30:04

well there's my dad now so is the

30:06

dad basically creating another company to sell the

30:08

neutral so to call like all the products

30:10

and the dad is sort of the head

30:12

of it is like i got nothing to

30:14

do with this to my dad. Is

30:17

that genius here all the old

30:19

stuff that used to be sold like

30:21

you mentioned silver bullet and the all

30:24

that stuff it's now you can buy

30:26

it on dr jones naturals which is

30:28

the. Business that his

30:30

dad owns is totally unrelated to info

30:32

wars and their old supplement business so

30:34

that's the kind of thing they've got

30:36

so now even if info wars as

30:39

a business and free speech systems the

30:41

parent company even if they completely collapse.

30:44

Alex could just start a podcast and then

30:46

his dad could be a sponsor and

30:49

hey. Legal

30:51

for them to move the money into this

30:53

new company that seems like that would be

30:55

stopped i guess it is i don't

30:58

know. No i mean i think it

31:00

is here's the thing it

31:02

is illegal right right but the

31:05

government is not going to chase

31:07

it down. You have

31:09

to have you have to chase down every

31:11

single fucking dollar and you're gonna have to

31:13

pay a lawyer to do it and they're

31:16

gonna do that and it's gonna be another

31:18

hearing and six months after that and then

31:20

another hearing to hear about whether or not

31:22

the hearing from the last hearing of bankruptcy

31:25

was actually the real bankruptcy or if it

31:27

was a super secret fake bankruptcy and we're

31:29

gonna send it back to state court but

31:31

then they take it to state court and

31:34

they're like hey hey hey hey hey send

31:36

it back to that other court. Because

31:38

that's where the bankruptcy is being done haha.

31:42

I definitely didn't tell you to send it to state

31:44

court where you took it no no no no no

31:46

no no we had a

31:48

gentleman's agreement that because it was

31:50

father's day i'm gonna relax i'm

31:53

sorry i just. Speaking of father's

31:55

day my dad is selling some

31:57

pills and totally separate business. So

32:00

it sounds like sort of the classic example

32:03

of how if you have the means to

32:05

just tie everything up in court, you can

32:07

just gum everything up to the point it's

32:09

glacial pace and you're still out here having

32:11

the time to be like, Hey, Dr. Jones,

32:13

no time for love, but we got time

32:15

to sell these nutraceuticals under your name. And

32:18

then basically the shell game continues

32:20

almost infinitely feels like it

32:23

very much feels that way. And if you watch

32:25

his show, it really seems like he's being very

32:27

transparent about it. Like in the way that like

32:29

just the other day he was talking about how

32:32

like, well, you know, we may shut down. And

32:35

so it's a gamble to buy

32:37

products at info ward store.com, but

32:40

you might not get them, but you got

32:42

a bet on us. You got a bet

32:44

on us. Yes. But the place that's very

32:46

safe to buy products from is Dr. Jones.

32:49

It can't be more obvious about what you're doing here.

32:53

Can I ask you whether you guys knew

32:55

about his father before he decided to use

32:57

him to funnel money and like whether that

32:59

origin story has something to

33:01

do like his origin story has to

33:03

do with his dad like a less

33:05

like Steven Crowder. Oh, just like, no,

33:07

yeah, the daddy issues are dad. I

33:09

was like, oh, this checks out every

33:12

fucking right winger that hasn't had an

33:14

independent thought from their dad for their

33:16

approval. Like what? Like, so I'm curious

33:18

about that. Yeah, I got an oxygen

33:20

tank. Let's go. His

33:22

dad was the smartest boy in Texas. He

33:24

was. And he built a laser or something

33:26

like that. And then the global is the

33:28

globalists tried to recruit him coming right out

33:31

of high school. And

33:33

he said no. And then he

33:35

became a dentist and the globalists tried to

33:37

recruit him again. And I guess he started

33:40

working at an underground base of the globalists

33:42

at some point. And he

33:44

was a CIA dentist. And he has a

33:46

lot of secrets because of this time. But we

33:48

don't know what these secrets are. In

33:50

the real world, his dad was a

33:53

big John Birch Society guy. Oh, yeah.

33:55

He gave John Birch Society lectures when

33:57

Alex was a kid and like. He

34:00

grew up in that kind of a household. And

34:02

it's very clear that he's like, Alex

34:05

has been trying to live up to that. And

34:07

like all of the people that associated

34:09

with his dad and those probably like

34:11

those small groups and stuff. And

34:15

yeah, his dad's been a part of his business

34:17

for a long time. I mean, there's

34:20

a PQPR is another

34:22

company that his dad

34:24

and him owned. And

34:26

that company was like, they were selling

34:29

the supplements to Infowars to sell and

34:31

then like paying for marketing and stuff.

34:33

So there was like this weird organizational

34:36

flow that his dad and his mom,

34:38

quite frankly, always have been a part

34:40

of. Right. Oh, he's

34:42

supportive parents. So one way to

34:44

look at it. Yeah. Yeah.

34:47

I went back to the specific, sorry, because I was

34:49

reading that a judge didn't want

34:51

to immediately shut down Infowars because it

34:53

could still be making money with

34:56

which they can make sure plaintiffs are getting

34:58

their payout. And

35:00

that there isn't an agreement between the plaintiffs as

35:03

to whether this is the best thing. Some

35:05

are like, no, we want it shut down

35:07

because fuck this propaganda outlet. And others are

35:09

like, well, we also want money. Could

35:12

you explain that if you know more

35:14

about that? Probably not any better

35:16

than you can based on articles. I

35:19

don't have any. But it's like a

35:21

philosophical difference that the victim's families are having

35:23

based on how they want to be. Well,

35:26

here's what in practicum, when

35:28

it comes down to like how it will play out, because

35:31

I understand the way that it's supposed

35:33

to be if everybody's talking

35:36

about their filings being how everything's going

35:38

to go. But those filings

35:40

are how everything is going to go if

35:42

everything goes perfectly, which things have not yet

35:44

done whatsoever. So for

35:46

instance, if the Texas families wanted

35:49

to collect on their $50 million

35:51

settlement, then they

35:53

would be taking control of FSS. They

35:56

would be taking all of Alex's stuff and then

35:58

they could just sell it. and then they could

36:00

give the money away. You know what

36:02

I'm saying? Right? That's the idea there. But who are

36:05

you going to sell it to? How are you going to sell it? To whom?

36:08

To what? What would you give it? And

36:10

then how much money is that? Right now they're

36:12

saying it's valued at like $10 million. So

36:15

$10 million, but you have to subtract the fees

36:17

from everything and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And

36:19

at the end of the day, the family's individuals,

36:21

if you split it all equally, are going to

36:23

wind up with like 50K, 100K, max, maybe less.

36:28

It's so weird to give a victim's family the weapon.

36:33

You know what I mean? Like, here's the

36:35

gun with which we killed

36:37

your family. I mean, not exactly. But

36:39

what would they do with the outlet other than

36:41

make money from it? Oh, okay. Do you know

36:43

what I'm saying? Like, it's sort of sick the

36:45

way like... I gotcha. It is, to

36:47

them, blood money. This

36:50

is an outlet that obviously promoted conspiracy

36:53

theories about their slain children. Sure.

36:55

I think it's an interesting dilemma. Yeah,

37:00

it is. Like from

37:02

a thematic standpoint, it is

37:04

really difficult to wrestle with

37:06

that reality. I

37:09

was involved with the Texas

37:11

plaintiffs case during the trial.

37:14

I helped as an advisor during that,

37:16

like in terms of bouncing

37:19

things and stuff about what Alex had said

37:21

and that kind of thing. But with the

37:23

bankruptcy... Wait, hold on. You

37:26

were consulted by their legal counsel because like,

37:28

you're this guy. Yeah. Wow.

37:32

Okay. I was in the

37:34

deposition room for one of Alex's depositions

37:36

and one of his corporate representatives. I

37:38

flew out to Austin to go do

37:40

those. And I was happy to

37:42

help with that. But

37:45

when it comes down to the bankruptcy, I don't

37:48

understand. Like with Alex

37:50

and what he did and what he said, I

37:52

understand what's right. You know, it's very clear. There's

37:56

differences of opinion about the bankruptcy

37:58

stuff that I can't... because

40:00

I was being trolled endlessly. Like, for my mental

40:02

health, I would move on. And this is a

40:04

guy who, like, put it all aside. And I'm

40:06

sure mentally, not well. But, and I know other

40:08

victims' families have actually committed

40:11

suicide. But, yeah, I'm just curious.

40:13

Like, it's ultimately a

40:15

good story, right? Because he's going bye-bye,

40:17

maybe? Right. Yeah. What's positive or negative?

40:19

Did the universe just arc towards Jordan's

40:22

laughter? Jordan's laughter

40:24

is not great. Jordan's like, no. It's kind

40:26

of just like a, uh, I don't know.

40:28

I can't say. You know, like, it's, um,

40:31

I think, I think that, you know, you hear the stories about

40:33

the 1.4 billion and stuff like

40:35

that. And you want there to be like

40:37

this just come along and what have you.

40:39

And maybe it's unsatisfying when you're looking at

40:42

it from the outside. But for

40:44

each of the people who this is actually

40:46

about, which is, you know, the victims and

40:48

the families, like, that's

40:50

up to them to decide, I guess, what the,

40:52

you know, whether there's a victory

40:54

or not. It seems like there's some

40:56

sort of a victory in that, like,

40:58

this is really inconvenienced him and it's

41:00

definitely hurt some visibility to do

41:02

what he does. Right. But he's not going to be

41:05

gone. That's that's probably not going

41:07

to happen. Yeah. I mean, he's crying more.

41:09

Is he crying more or less than he

41:11

normally does? Because I feel like I always

41:13

see Alex Jones cry over something, whether it's

41:15

the soul of the country or, you know,

41:17

the info war is getting shut down. But

41:20

I mean, like in those clips, because I feel

41:22

like recently the internet has really been like, dude,

41:24

he's crying. It's over for

41:26

him. And I'm like, I think

41:28

I need a little more context here than

41:31

a guy who just, you know, outwardly has

41:33

these like, you know, huge performative emotions

41:35

on camera. But like, yeah, what what what

41:37

sort of the context even with that? Like,

41:40

is that purely to just kind of keep

41:42

his audience in like, they're against us mo.

41:44

I want to say I want to say

41:46

that within the first hundred episodes, we openly

41:48

questioned how long he was going to be

41:51

on air for. Mm hmm. And

41:53

that was eight years ago. Like

41:56

it was it's been a regular drum

41:58

beat of like. Maybe this

42:00

is the time he's not fucking, maybe,

42:02

you know, because you think, sure,

42:06

everybody, you know, nobody, everybody thinks the

42:08

world's going to end, but eventually it's

42:10

going to fucking end to somebody, you

42:12

know? So maybe this is the time,

42:14

but he just keeps going. Also

42:17

within the first hundred episodes or so, I think was

42:19

probably when we encountered the first time he fake cried.

42:22

And you're immune to it now. Yeah, back

42:25

then it was really interesting because, you know,

42:27

you're watching a show that's pretending to be

42:29

news and you're seeing a guy

42:31

fake crying on air and you

42:33

don't know what to think. You don't know what to

42:35

think. Like, is this real? Has he

42:38

really hit some kind of an emotional

42:40

place? And then you

42:42

just see it enough that it

42:44

kind of, eh, he's doing

42:46

that again. He's doing the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But

42:49

I get, it travels around social media really well because

42:51

it is very funny. It's

42:54

jarring because you're like imagining what

42:56

if Wolf Blitzer was doing Alex,

42:58

you know? He's ostensibly a

43:00

news person who's having a full breakdown. So

43:02

you compare it to like, what if a

43:04

regular news person was having a breakdown? That

43:07

would also be funny. It's

43:09

just, you know, what if Wolf Blitzer was wasted? What

43:13

if? I don't know. I don't consume it.

43:15

So I don't know where you actually get

43:18

it. But where do you get your info

43:20

wars? Do you have to be a paying

43:22

member or is it just his site? And

43:24

also, has his listenership grown or shrunk since

43:26

he was deplatformed? Quick follow

43:29

up, do you believe deplatforming works?

43:31

Well, to your first question, I know a guy. Hell

43:34

yeah. I get my Alex on

43:36

the black market. Info wars bootlegs,

43:38

yeah. That's right. I get him

43:41

on cassettes. Yeah. It

43:44

looks like the Fern Gully soundtrack, but it's actually

43:46

the latest episode. He's just on wherever you get

43:48

your podcasts? Yeah. No, no. All

43:50

of those things. But he still has

43:53

his own websites. Right. And

43:55

so I don't want to know plug

43:57

here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

44:00

and I just can get stuff from there. Right.

44:02

And so audience growing, decreasing

44:05

as a result? I don't

44:07

know, it's hard to tell. I

44:09

think it was probably shrinking, and

44:11

then he's back on Twitter now. So

44:14

he's able to reach more people who

44:16

may be unaware of his shtick, and

44:18

that's definitely helping. But I still, I

44:21

don't think he is as big as he was in 2016. Yeah.

44:24

Like there was a real wave that he was riding

44:26

at that point. And I

44:28

remember even like liberal people were like, dude,

44:30

this shit's kind of wild. And I'm like,

44:33

why are you watching this? Like, because it's

44:35

fun. And then like 10% of

44:37

those people ended up being like, and that's where

44:39

my news will always come from. And I was

44:41

like, oh, they got you with the frog stuff.

44:44

And now you were laughing, and now you're like,

44:46

you have tears in your eyes about whatever global

44:48

threat there is. But deplatforming, do you think it

44:50

worked? At least in this case, or? Or

44:53

I mean, where do you guys stand on

44:55

it? I don't know. Eventually, I respect

44:58

with respect to all fact checkers and

45:00

smart people everywhere. Eventually the answer should

45:02

be look around you. Do you think

45:04

it worked? Right. There's

45:07

more have spawned. I

45:09

mean, I personally, where I come on deplatforming,

45:12

come down is like, absolutely, you must. And

45:15

it's important. The algorithm on YouTube

45:17

feeds a bunch of other bullshit

45:19

to the same people, but it's

45:21

not maybe quite, doesn't touch whatever

45:24

third rail of de-faming victims of

45:26

mass shootings. It was touched

45:28

even though there's tons of whatever, transphobia

45:31

and violence and whatever, all

45:34

that kind of stuff. But yeah, that

45:36

it's important to do, even if there

45:39

are now so many other Alex Joneses out there.

45:42

Yeah, I mostly agree with

45:44

that sort of line. It

45:48

may not solve the whole problem,

45:50

but it's probably something that is

45:52

worth doing. I mean, you

45:54

can't say abortion on YouTube without being demonetized.

45:56

You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean,

45:58

and I should. No, I earn

46:01

$100 a month from YouTube. You

46:03

can't say abortion on YouTube? No, you can't. I

46:06

mean, you can't put it in a title or like

46:08

a thumbnail and probably not

46:11

say it in the first like five minutes

46:13

of the video. You can talk about it

46:15

of course, but you will get like, you

46:17

will be demoted. Well then, deplatforming worked. Absolutely.

46:23

Yeah, I mean, exactly. How

46:25

that's being used is definitely

46:27

inconsistent, but yeah, I

46:29

think at the very least when you have

46:31

people like that, there has to be at

46:34

least some fear of that something negative could

46:36

happen to you rather than like, it actually,

46:38

I'm invincible. That's actually a really good point.

46:40

There is absolutely no fear anything negative will

46:43

happen to him. And

46:45

that's kind of partially going back to daddy

46:47

issues for Alex, is that

46:49

at every point in time through his personal

46:51

backstory that what we can find that's or

46:54

at least is close enough to

46:57

lore to work, is

46:59

that anytime he gets into

47:02

trouble, before there can be an

47:04

actual consequence, daddy swoops in and

47:07

it's taken care of. And it's just

47:09

happened over and over and over again.

47:11

What are some early daddy swoops in

47:14

is my savior moments for my friend

47:16

Alex. There's an NPR thing

47:18

that Ronson did where he talked about,

47:20

he talked to kids that grew up

47:23

with Alex and Alex was like regularly

47:26

in scraps of the sort

47:30

and where in places would be, if it got

47:32

hot, all of a sudden, you know, it's taken

47:34

care of or they've moved to a different city

47:36

or you know what I'm saying? It's

47:39

all covered. They

47:41

moved to Austin from Rockwall because

47:46

Alex either maybe was in some fights

47:48

or the police wanted to kill him.

47:50

He uncovered a conspiracy, one of the

47:52

two. Whichever lore you would like to

47:54

believe. Yeah, they're doing a hit job

47:56

on me. He may have uncovered the

47:58

police had a drug ring. that they

48:00

were running drugs through and it was

48:03

too hot for him to stay in town any

48:05

longer. Or I was getting a lot of fights at

48:07

school. One of the two. Yeah, I

48:09

get one of the two. Yeah, maybe. Okay, well, up

48:12

to you to decide, I guess. But yeah, I think

48:14

it's pretty clear. I just had no idea how much

48:17

of a figure his dad was, because I'd seen

48:19

people reference the dad too, but

48:22

now as I'm seeing how this

48:24

is all coming together with his business and

48:26

just, you know, in this conversation, like Jesus

48:28

Christ, it's all he's a very mysterious figure.

48:31

Even to me, you know, like someone who spent as

48:33

much time with this stuff, like he, you

48:36

know, pieces of information from where

48:39

you can find it. You hear Alex's

48:41

version of it, which is like really hero

48:43

worshiping his dad. And then

48:45

there was one short deposition

48:47

that he accidentally gave at

48:50

the beginning of the Sandy Hook trial

48:52

that is really kind of interesting,

48:55

but only in as much as it's like

48:57

it doesn't really tell you all that much.

49:00

But he's a weird figure. I

49:03

think he's more deeply entwined in Alex's

49:06

career than most people realize. I

49:08

think he's Kaiser Sose. I think that's where we're at here.

49:11

I think that's the best corollary for

49:13

what David Jones is, is Kaiser

49:16

Sose behind all of the four wars. Holy shit. I'm

49:20

the Kaiser Sose. When

49:23

Alex was memorializing David Bowie, he

49:25

was like David Bowie's dad, David

49:27

Jones, not my dad, the other

49:29

one or something like that. Oh

49:32

boy. Oh, sorry. We always

49:34

assumed it was Mr. Jones. I

49:36

thought David Bowie was your brother,

49:38

man. Okay, cool. Because you're so

49:40

cool, obviously. Do you guys think

49:43

that the trials could have gone

49:45

different because of his dumbass behavior,

49:47

which reminds me of, again, Trump's

49:49

behavior of like, what

49:53

was it where he had an image

49:55

of the judge with devil horns on

49:57

and was openly talking shit about her?

50:00

Like, could this have gone another way for him if

50:02

he had just, like, not been, like,

50:05

an elitist a-hole who, like, thought he could get

50:07

away with anything? Maybe not. I

50:09

mean, maybe it was always gonna be— Oh, how about this?

50:11

Like, because I understand your question, and

50:14

I think your question ultimately boils down

50:16

to if he had made different choices,

50:18

would things have turned out a different

50:21

way? Yes. And I think

50:23

the answer to that is twofold. Like,

50:25

first, obviously, if he made

50:27

different choices, things would have turned out

50:29

different. And second, the better question is

50:31

could he make different choices physically in

50:33

this university and have it— Is he

50:36

capable? Is he capable? And the answer

50:38

to that is no. This is not

50:40

about—and that's why he's—that's why the

50:42

system can't function with him, is

50:45

because ultimately the idea is,

50:47

like, you have to agree

50:50

to be compelled to do

50:52

something. Sure. You know,

50:54

we're saying that you owe us a billion dollars, but

50:56

eventually you have to, like, give me

50:58

the money. Right. You have

51:00

to—you have to give it to me. And if he just

51:03

goes, no, long enough, then eventually

51:05

you get to the point where it's like

51:07

either you go take it physically from him

51:09

or you quit. And then there's

51:11

a standoff or something. Yeah, and he's betting that you're

51:13

gonna— There definitely will be a standoff. I think you

51:15

guys, I mean— Yeah, he's just betting that you're gonna quit.

51:17

I take back my question of would

51:20

knowledge fight stop? Because clearly it's not gonna

51:22

stop, because he would do a standoff. I

51:25

would hope. I

51:27

mean, I don't hope, but in terms of the

51:29

right-wing tradition that he comes from, it seems like

51:31

they love a standoff. And I feel like if

51:33

he didn't, it would be very off-brand. Yeah. Yeah,

51:37

what was it? You said

51:39

you live long enough to—or

51:41

no, you die a Bill Cooper, you live

51:43

long enough to see yourself become Alex Jones,

51:46

something along those lines. You live long enough

51:48

to become the Bundy Ranch. Yeah, yeah, because

51:50

Bill Cooper died in a shootout with the

51:52

cops. The way you're

51:54

supposed to go. Well, the Bundy Ranch, they kind of won. It

51:57

was like, it's theirs. Yep,

52:00

I'd say so. Everyone seems

52:02

like they're doing all right. All right,

52:04

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we're back. And, you know, obviously the

55:30

first presidential debate has gotten a lot

55:32

of discussion. Many people are

55:34

like, show me it should be

55:36

someone else. And other people are like, we fucking told you

55:38

this whole fucking time. What the fuck's wrong with you? I'm

55:40

very curious. How

55:43

is Alex Jones discussing sort of this current

55:45

election? And, you know, especially as it relates

55:47

to the debate recently, I'm curious if you

55:50

had anything, you know, Alex

55:52

Jonesian to say about it, or he was just sort of

55:54

like, this is what happens when you don't take nutraceuticals and

55:57

just turn it into an ad. Well,

56:01

he was predicting that maybe there would be a

56:03

murder at the debate. So that was fun. Oh,

56:06

I wish. Sometimes he's

56:09

right. There

56:11

was the possibility of Trump being assassinated

56:13

because the globalists hate him. But then

56:15

maybe they would kill Biden because that

56:17

would make the Democrats look like victims.

56:19

And then it would solve the problem

56:21

that Biden's a bad candidate and then

56:23

they beat Trump. So there was a

56:25

lot of fun going on beforehand. But

56:27

then when it wasn't really all that

56:29

exciting, he was just, I don't know.

56:32

He's like, this is a problem with a two party system.

56:34

You're like, wait, what? Sit down

56:36

the middle take now. No,

56:38

I think it's interesting because everybody in the

56:40

real world's reaction was like, ah, Biden didn't

56:42

perform well. And so you would imagine like,

56:44

Alex would be like, ha ha, where are

56:46

you going to take a victory lap? But

56:49

you're mistaking reality again. In their

56:51

world, it was just really boring.

56:54

It was just boring. Nobody got into

56:56

a fight. No murder. No

56:59

one's desert mask fell off. Yeah, there was

57:01

supposed to be something. There's supposed to be

57:03

fireworks or something. It's just too old men

57:05

shit talking about golf. So then

57:07

does he just do the thing where like a lot of conspiracy

57:09

theorists, they just have to kick the can down the road. It's

57:11

like, well, maybe I was wrong about that one, but this next

57:13

thing, you know, it's probably going to happen then. Oh no. He's

57:16

just kind of like, whatever. That was boring. Well, one

57:18

of the hallmarks of Alex's behavior is that he'll make

57:21

those predictions like there's going to be a murder at

57:23

the debate. And then just when it doesn't happen, I

57:25

didn't say that was going to happen. I was just,

57:27

I just said, maybe it would happen. I was just,

57:29

we were just looking at it from all sides. So

57:32

there's no responsibility for any of that stuff. And you

57:34

could just move forward. Right. But

57:36

I do think that the eclipse was, was

57:39

the moment that they swapped

57:41

Biden's body. Interesting. Cause

57:44

that would be pretty, he was basically like the

57:46

deep state is going to use the eclipse to

57:48

pull. I forgot exactly what it was. Maybe

57:51

you guys remember, but also it might be just one of the

57:53

many eclipses that you covered. There's,

57:56

there were a lot of things going on

57:58

with the eclipse, but it was. It was

58:00

mostly about preparing martial

58:02

law drills in

58:05

order to implement a prison state

58:07

across the United States, which definitely

58:10

happened. You're like, we already have

58:12

a prison state, my guy. Nice. See?

58:15

Really? And people, yeah. It

58:18

was mostly just about increased traffic

58:20

cops and stuff like that for

58:22

tourism. But that

58:25

was martial law drills that happened. Yeah,

58:27

exactly. And in terms

58:29

of what's, does he have any

58:31

overarching themes about this election, in

58:34

terms of what the stakes are or what

58:37

is meant to happen because it's going to open

58:39

X, Y, or Z door? Yeah.

58:43

I mean, that's an interesting question. What

58:47

are the stakes? The stakes are

58:49

always, it's God versus the devil, yo.

58:53

I mean, the election is the election, but

58:55

this isn't the fight of all fights. Right.

58:57

This is the beginning and the ending of

58:59

Alpha Omega. This is just

59:01

another battle. Jordan, you're touching on

59:03

something I think that is really important. Yeah.

59:05

I think a lot of people don't recognize

59:07

that like, Alex is

59:09

not political. There's

59:12

stuff that really does

59:14

impact political realities, but

59:16

he thinks that God gives him

59:18

visions of the future and that

59:20

he's fighting literal demons and

59:23

that all of the people who are on the

59:25

left and who disagree with him are possessed by

59:27

these demons and all of

59:30

this stuff. There's a spiritual warfare

59:32

that is not metaphorical that Alex

59:34

believes he's a crusader in. Kind

59:38

of admirable. I don't know. I respect that

59:40

more than like partisan hackery, you know, where

59:42

you're like, at least you're unique versus like,

59:44

oh, Biden totally fucked that debate up. Instead,

59:46

he's just like, nah, the lizard

59:48

demons are still getting like, I don't know. At

59:51

least there's a lane. I like your

59:53

philosophy. Jordan is like trying

59:55

to cover it every week. I

59:58

mean, but then that's my. But then I

1:00:01

also, as you say, he's unable, he's compelled to

1:00:03

say these things, but then in court,

1:00:05

he's like, I'm a performance artist. Right.

1:00:08

His lawyer said that. Yeah,

1:00:10

but where do you guys

1:00:12

land in terms of what his actual intent is and how

1:00:15

he's taking in the world? It's

1:00:17

fully just like this is legit to him or

1:00:19

it's half like, I mean, this seems like it's

1:00:21

working, so I guess I'll just keep doing it

1:00:23

kind of a thing. Could be

1:00:25

both. Yeah. Could

1:00:27

be a mix. Who knows where compulsion meets

1:00:30

craft, but it's somewhere in there.

1:00:33

What do you think? I'm of the

1:00:35

opinion that in

1:00:37

2024, intent should no longer

1:00:39

matter for any of us. You

1:00:41

know, like I understand a lot of

1:00:44

people have intended to do a lot of shit, but now

1:00:46

what's done is done and people need to

1:00:49

be held accountable for it. So I really

1:00:51

don't care what anybody intends. Yeah. You

1:00:53

know, the what's in Alex Jones's heart is a

1:00:55

weird one. Like, what does he

1:00:57

mean? I don't care. Here's what he's done.

1:01:00

Let's do the thing to that. Let's

1:01:02

react appropriately to the thing. Right, right, right,

1:01:04

right. Instead of reacting to the thing that

1:01:07

that person wished would have happened. Yeah,

1:01:09

it's the thing that I come back

1:01:11

to a bit is like Alex constantly

1:01:13

on air has said that he's murdered

1:01:15

multiple people, like watched them

1:01:17

die. Like he said, said

1:01:20

he stomped their guts out. Yeah. And

1:01:22

then they bled to death in front of him. He said

1:01:24

stuff like that. And

1:01:27

then under oath, he was asked about that. And he

1:01:29

said he's never murdered anybody and never killed anybody. But

1:01:32

like there is a you see

1:01:34

someone grotesquely describe having committed murder

1:01:37

and you have to ask yourself like,

1:01:40

okay, you either believe that you did

1:01:42

this or you want

1:01:44

the audience to believe this about you.

1:01:46

And it's not true. And

1:01:48

either way, the impact is really fucked up. Sure.

1:01:52

Sure. And that's really where the

1:01:54

reality is. You know, whether he whether he

1:01:56

knows what he's doing is just

1:01:59

all false. or whatever, it still impacts the

1:02:01

real world in a way that matters. Yeah.

1:02:06

I felt like for a while there was this idea of

1:02:09

a lot of the stuff that Alex

1:02:11

would say on his show or the

1:02:13

people he would have on was a

1:02:15

beginning entry point into the conservative misinfo,

1:02:17

talkosphere kind of thing and then could

1:02:19

get mainstreamed. Is that

1:02:22

influence waning in

1:02:24

any measurable way? Or

1:02:27

he's just kind of, I still just

1:02:29

sort of this like sideshow figure that

1:02:31

occasionally has these takes that like end

1:02:33

up intersecting and being beneficial to like

1:02:36

conservative causes and things like that. Well,

1:02:38

you know how you said like one

1:02:41

out of 100 or people

1:02:43

were watching and laughing and then

1:02:45

they're like, oh no, you're crying now. Yeah,

1:02:48

right, right. That's the purpose that

1:02:50

Alex serves. You know, like that's the,

1:02:52

he can crack through to people and

1:02:55

get them to start

1:02:58

listening to narratives and shit that they don't

1:03:00

really realize is as bad as it is.

1:03:03

And then, oh, what do you know? We have

1:03:05

some Nazi show up on the

1:03:07

show who I'm pretending is just kind of

1:03:09

a cool dude. Oh,

1:03:12

maybe you'll start listening to it. It's a gradual

1:03:14

path that Alex serves as

1:03:16

an entry point with that. In

1:03:18

terms of like the information stuff, I

1:03:20

think there's so many people now he

1:03:23

is not nearly as important for that. He's

1:03:25

more of a follower than a leader in

1:03:28

that stuff. I think that he was, let's say

1:03:30

early 2000s. He's

1:03:32

like a legacy now. You know, he's

1:03:34

still given a lot of, he's still given

1:03:36

a lot of shrift, but in reality, eh,

1:03:39

you can take him, believe him. Bring about to

1:03:41

like do a speech at turning point, not because he's

1:03:43

gonna have some great ideas, but because he's gonna do

1:03:45

his catch phrases. Yeah, it's like, you know what he

1:03:48

did for the brand. You know what I mean? Yeah,

1:03:50

he's a fancy monkey. Yeah, yeah,

1:03:52

we love your work, man. We love what

1:03:54

you did. We love what you did. So

1:03:56

I guess from your perspective, what's the best

1:03:58

and worst case scenarios for what? Alex's next

1:04:00

couple years are just

1:04:03

watching the waves and undulations of info

1:04:05

wars. For whom? I

1:04:08

would say for us as people

1:04:11

who are having to live in

1:04:13

a world that is affected by

1:04:15

his existence. Best case scenario with

1:04:17

the parameters that we have as

1:04:19

in things that are feasibly possible?

1:04:21

Legally and otherwise, yeah. Oh,

1:04:24

I can't answer that one. I

1:04:27

think worst case scenario is you

1:04:29

live near Alex and he eats

1:04:31

you. Because he's threatened to do

1:04:33

that. He will barbecue your ass.

1:04:37

If he loses all of his money and

1:04:39

he has to resort to eating human flesh,

1:04:43

they'll sell it on what? DrJones.com?

1:04:47

Okay, I've got a best case scenario. Here's

1:04:50

the best case scenario. We

1:04:52

organize a party and we just

1:04:55

start digging on all of his property and

1:04:57

I guarantee we'll find more money than... He

1:05:02

has a history of burying gold. He's

1:05:04

got burying gold energy. That's

1:05:09

our best case scenario. We all organize shovel

1:05:11

parties that we move from there. And then

1:05:13

what, you keep what you find basically? Or

1:05:15

do we all pitch in? I

1:05:18

think we obviously donate it to

1:05:20

the... I mean, it's an appropriate

1:05:22

respect for shoveling of a man's

1:05:24

home. I mean, I am doing the

1:05:26

work. You might get a finder's fee. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anybody

1:05:31

who pockets the gold is going

1:05:33

right back in the house. Right,

1:05:35

exactly. Until the Supreme Court overturns

1:05:37

finders v keepers. Then

1:05:39

we're back to square one. Well,

1:05:42

guys, Dan, Jordan, thank you so

1:05:44

much for joining us on the

1:05:46

Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people

1:05:48

find you, follow you, support you, all that

1:05:50

kind of good stuff. Websites,

1:05:52

just knowledgefight.com. Perfect.

1:05:56

Perfect. Thanks for having us. Oh, no, no,

1:05:58

no. Thank you very much. Of course. It's

1:06:00

always great to have people on to talk

1:06:02

about just like the wacky shit that's happening.

1:06:05

Especially like, again,

1:06:07

for the depth of your knowledge,

1:06:11

it's impressive and helps so much because

1:06:13

like you're saying, like half the time

1:06:15

I'm asking a question, it's like you're

1:06:17

kind of not getting it with what

1:06:19

Alex Jones is because I think so

1:06:21

much of what we experience is just

1:06:23

sort of being like, look at this

1:06:25

creature that screams from the corners and

1:06:27

that's weird versus understanding that his whole

1:06:29

thing is like, I'm offering people perspective

1:06:32

that's completely devoid of reality, which allows

1:06:34

all these other ideas to take a

1:06:36

foothold and then I've created

1:06:38

some kind of daywalker who can go for it. I

1:06:40

think that's really apt because like Miles and I are

1:06:42

like coming in with real specific questions. It's like, he

1:06:44

is what he is, you know? And

1:06:48

there's no real logic to it. I

1:06:50

have just really rapid fire a couple

1:06:52

questions before you guys go, which is,

1:06:54

does he smell like he looks? And

1:06:58

is his voice like an Elizabeth Holmes situation

1:07:00

where it's like. Oh like Paris Hilton, like

1:07:03

he code switching? Yeah. First

1:07:06

question is how do you think he smells?

1:07:08

How do you think he looks like he

1:07:10

smells? He smells, he looks

1:07:12

like he smells. What does a neck smell like?

1:07:14

He looks like he smells like, yeah, like, like.

1:07:16

Just neck. Balls, like just, but worse, you know,

1:07:22

like after a hot day,

1:07:24

you're, it's like hour four

1:07:26

of leaning over the July

1:07:28

4th barbecue. Didn't take

1:07:30

a shower yesterday. Yeah,

1:07:33

I think it's a combo of like

1:07:36

dried sweat, cigarette smoke and like faint

1:07:38

cologne that isn't quite strong enough. And

1:07:40

so it comes together in this like

1:07:43

terrible blend. But I don't know. He,

1:07:45

I mean, I don't remember. Smells like a horse. You

1:07:48

didn't try to smell it. Just smells like a horse.

1:07:51

I was near him and I don't remember him

1:07:53

smelling that, but it was in the deposition room

1:07:55

and I don't remember it being offensive. It wasn't

1:07:57

like sulfur. You could smell the sulfur. No,

1:08:01

unfortunately, I can't say a fly landed on him

1:08:03

or anything. He

1:08:06

had the stink lines and everything. Yeah. I think

1:08:08

it was just kind of like a cologne-ish type

1:08:11

of smell. Okay. And what was your second one?

1:08:13

Oh, whether the voice is a put on.

1:08:15

I mean, it is obviously played up. I

1:08:18

think he just smoked a lot. I

1:08:21

think some of it is a put on. In

1:08:23

the early day, he was doing a rush. He

1:08:25

was doing straight rush limbaugh. And it was a

1:08:27

full on... Effected. Yeah.

1:08:30

And I think over time, he's just

1:08:32

smoked a lot and life sucks. It's

1:08:36

just all awful for a human being who

1:08:38

does what he does to his body. Right.

1:08:40

So now it's probably more realistic than, you

1:08:42

know, what's the mask and what's the human

1:08:45

beneath that? I don't know. Got it. Right.

1:08:47

Yeah. There is a difference. If you watch

1:08:49

him in like a deposition setting, there's a

1:08:51

difference from him performing

1:08:54

high energy on stage.

1:08:56

Sure. But it does still feel like the

1:08:58

same type of voice. I'll

1:09:01

believe if there's any sincerity, it's that he

1:09:03

sounds like that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:06

Yeah. Oh, man. And also,

1:09:08

guys, is there any work of media, social,

1:09:10

visual, anything that you've been enjoying, something that

1:09:13

put a smile on your face? Whenever

1:09:16

I need a respite, I'll go

1:09:19

to the Hey Randy podcast. Mm

1:09:21

hmm. I love Tim Bolts' Hey Randy

1:09:24

podcast. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jordan,

1:09:26

what about you? Oh, I think, well,

1:09:29

every night my wife and I now

1:09:32

watch an episode of Taskmaster. Just

1:09:34

before we go to bed, just watch it and

1:09:36

go to sleep because I am 85 years old.

1:09:40

And I love it. I love it. You

1:09:42

got to love a panel show from

1:09:44

the UK, right? Got to love one

1:09:46

of those. Francesca, thank you so much

1:09:49

for joining me today. Guest hosting. Where

1:09:51

do people find you, see you, and

1:09:53

what's the media, anything? Social media, regular media

1:09:55

thing you've been liking. Oh,

1:09:57

I didn't prepare for that. I don't

1:09:59

enjoy. things. Yeah, I know. I

1:10:02

know. Just pretend. Pretend.

1:10:04

You can find me on all the podcast

1:10:06

platforms at the Bituation Room, and then I'll

1:10:08

be in Chicago August 19th and 20th around

1:10:10

the DNC at the Lincoln Lodge with Matt

1:10:12

Lieb. Two nights, one podcast night,

1:10:14

one stand-up night, so go get tickets. jessicafiorentini.com.

1:10:19

And what am I enjoying? Fucking

1:10:23

no. Just the memes

1:10:25

coming out. Just the memes. That's

1:10:27

fucking nothing. Just the memes about

1:10:29

Biden resigning. And Kamala Harris being

1:10:32

dude in yellow behind the tree.

1:10:35

Oh, rubbing your mitts? Yeah, just being

1:10:37

like... Like sneaking around and rubbing your hands, even

1:10:39

though it won't be her. That won't happen. Yeah,

1:10:41

that's nuts. Well, we can all live in our

1:10:44

own fantasy worlds, can't we? A

1:10:46

tweet I like is from at

1:10:48

the xKeepeXBrown that says, I keep

1:10:50

telling y'all, the man has divided

1:10:52

the single wing into two parts

1:10:54

and charging us more for a

1:10:56

perceived preference, thereby dividing us as

1:10:58

a people, all while reaping inflated

1:11:00

profits. Because yeah, the wing used

1:11:02

to just be one piece. And

1:11:04

now we're flats versus drums. Look

1:11:06

what happened to us. Look what

1:11:08

happened to us. But it's flats all

1:11:11

day. For me, you can find me at Miles

1:11:13

of Grey on Twitter, Instagram. You can find Jack

1:11:15

and I on the basketball podcast, Miles and Jack

1:11:17

at Mad Boosties. I'm also talking about 90 Day

1:11:19

Fiance. That's my respite on the other

1:11:21

show, 420 Day Fiance. You

1:11:24

can find us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter, at

1:11:27

the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We got a Facebook

1:11:29

fan page, a website, dailyzitegeist.com where we post our

1:11:31

episodes and our footnotes where you can find the

1:11:33

song we write out on as well as some

1:11:36

of the things we talked about today. I

1:11:38

just want to send us out on

1:11:40

a song from one of my favorite

1:11:42

producers, K-Tronata. Had a new album

1:11:45

come out earlier this month. And this track

1:11:47

is called Dance, Dance, Dance, Dance, and

1:11:49

a good, it's just like some good, good

1:11:52

soul soothing music. It's energetic. You can

1:11:54

nod your head to it and completely.

1:11:56

Like Bruce Horn's pick. It's

1:11:58

exactly, I would say. Yes, absolutely philosophical

1:12:00

twins here, at least for the vibes

1:12:03

that it gives you. It's

1:12:05

my mandolin reign and I hope it will be yours too.

1:12:07

All right, we will talk to y'all later. We're back later

1:12:10

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1:12:12

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1:12:14

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