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2:00

Euros producing. It's.

2:03

Nine O Nine. I'm

2:05

looking at my baby

2:08

monitor. right? Now. One.

2:10

Sleeps. And I know that

2:12

if the other one isn't that other, this guy will

2:14

wake up. So it's you. Go Just rooms. you go.

2:16

Like six months ago just ripped his out. His.

2:19

They monitor. All like he

2:22

was. He was like staging. I said

2:24

he just like together your your most

2:26

i don't watch me is I don't

2:28

want really more. Ah ah I love

2:30

that but I've never I've never heard

2:32

of over my life. Bad: So strong

2:34

is blocking under surveillance cameras raising your

2:36

voice of so sort it's nine or

2:38

nine. On. A Thursday? You know what that

2:40

means, folks. It's an alarm. Ways

2:43

are condemning days where I was recording

2:45

in the garage skyn been by mosquitoes.

2:48

In. The don't wait curiosity Next

2:50

try to like wake up

2:52

the motion sensors cited get

2:54

some light. I

2:56

target Ios, Ios or.will we recorded

2:59

Do the pandemic here in the

3:01

garage. Being. Lit by the motion

3:03

sensor garage slot. so every five minutes

3:05

did you just wave your arms of

3:07

the air to get to? Like going

3:09

back on my child's. Is

3:12

this is as Chris says said size

3:14

seconds earlier. You.

3:20

Know. It's

3:22

almost not stay. So. Yes, you'll

3:24

see this right now. What

3:27

is that? Some ice pack but as

3:29

external hard drive, it's power. Gifts on

3:31

ice pack? Yeah. Spent. Four.

3:34

Days a mixture of. To see

3:36

last flight school sites never really love

3:38

my bedroom. Khyber

3:41

too much to work. Tomorrow morning

3:43

I'm going to get an M R I on my

3:45

injured shoulder neck. And fingers

3:48

crossed. Folks fingers crossed. I.

3:51

Think the neck and shoulder. I think the

3:53

area if I may. Be

3:56

area where you are hurt. Is.

3:58

the secret deaths On

4:00

a pig, that would be the

4:03

second though. It's true.

4:05

It's true. You know, it

4:07

sucks. I've been really trying hard to do

4:10

this anti-inflammatory diet and

4:12

work out and all these things. Maybe

4:15

I'm just not meant to do it. I'm

4:17

just an endorsement and I need to

4:19

be the head, head endorsement. No. I

4:22

know what the... Because you only

4:24

go 100 miles an hour, when you

4:26

say like, you're working out, you're doing

4:29

anti-inflammatory. I know you're going 110%. Right?

4:33

That's not enough. That's not enough. No.

4:38

No, I listen. I

4:41

think it's my body. This

4:43

week at night, I don't know why, but

4:45

there'd be crazy pain at like two in

4:47

the morning. And I have not slept in

4:50

some time straight on through and

4:53

not being able to do anything. And

4:55

last year, literally, I couldn't walk. It

4:57

feels, not that I'm an

4:59

athlete, but when you read about athletes

5:01

that are... Tear

5:04

and ACL, and the next year they tell her in

5:06

Achilles, like a Klay Thompson, and just

5:08

the mental fortitude

5:11

that you may not have to endure.

5:13

That's sort of where I was at. I was like, I don't know

5:15

if I can do this. That's

5:17

where I'm at. Just... I'm

5:20

hoping that the MRI tomorrow reveals

5:22

nothing. Hoping. Why

5:24

would you hope that it reveals... It's

5:27

gonna be better if it was like a clear

5:29

cut, this is a tear, it would be a

5:31

parecterically. Yeah, but... Otherwise,

5:35

it's a mystery pain. My

5:39

hand is numb. My wrist is

5:41

numb. My elbow is on fire. Yeah,

5:43

yeah. What? Oh, it's a

5:46

nerve thing. It's a nerve thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

5:49

Anyway, folks. And I was just

5:51

telling Chris before we got on air, this

5:54

happens to you. You know what

5:56

I'm talking about? If... It doesn't

5:58

happen to everybody. It does

6:00

happen. The people that. Is

6:03

just moving around? hurts? It. Does happen

6:05

enough to people that. Say.

6:08

Is. I think a lot to

6:10

do with emphasizing the situation. They're. Working

6:12

really hard to finish a project. Some.

6:16

Kind of goal: Some kind of paper,

6:18

Some kind of. Team oriented

6:20

thing. Whatever some endeavor that

6:22

has like, it's like. Moving.

6:26

Heaven and Earth. In terms of there there's that

6:28

that their their life. And

6:30

they cannot. Be.

6:33

Deterred there is a can't miss a day. They

6:35

can't do anything. And I feel

6:37

like I know a lot of cooks been happen

6:39

this way. Exposure: when it's a weekend or to

6:41

holiday where they finally take her some time off,

6:43

everyone I know get sick. Even.

6:47

As soon as you stop moving one hundred miles an

6:49

hour, everything falls apart. And.

6:53

After. Years of doing this. There's a

6:55

pattern of. Holiday.

6:57

Approaches I'm expecting to do very

7:00

little. In in a in

7:02

a leisurely way and I do very

7:04

little because I can't move kind of

7:06

way and. It happened I

7:08

would say most most the time. Any

7:11

time I've had time off, it's almost

7:13

inevitably. Sick. Time or

7:15

injured time. And. I've

7:17

been complaining to Chris about my shoulder

7:19

for over six weeks. Emissions

7:23

got progressively worse. But.

7:26

It hundred and remarkable. You just

7:28

use a the Sousa you can't

7:30

move. Do. You feel dumb it?

7:32

like the massive as I really do. You

7:34

feel it during the our we're on the

7:36

air. Do you feel ill? Because it's. It's

7:39

adrenaline. I. Hear. Tangibly

7:42

Do. I.

7:44

Mean I have to fuck it up for an hour

7:47

and a half people complain that what is was out.

7:49

What is this person doing. It

7:51

because of the were show I've ever seen. Enough

7:54

to do it for the haters. Yeah,

7:57

it's gotta give us some people have

7:59

some in the. I'm.

8:02

Know. And and and I just

8:04

a really had a debilitating nature

8:06

mentally. Or this past week

8:09

because. Not. Being able to

8:11

sleep is just I don't know, just to

8:13

me a constant pain. And the

8:15

truth is this when you're younger, You.

8:18

Never appreciate the house and this is

8:20

a platitude to most people. As

8:22

I turned forty seven this year. Good

8:24

God. Houses wealth, man, Health

8:27

is everything and I do not take

8:29

that lightly at all. And

8:31

I feel like the past. How.

8:33

Many years of my life of really

8:35

punish the hello my body. And

8:39

in an image com the roost.

8:41

So. Looking. Forward. Oh I

8:43

think I'm I'm gonna get stem cell

8:45

ingestion or someplace. Where

8:48

so? My sister's friend from college.

8:51

Is. A good leader in person in

8:53

the stem cell. Therapy.

8:56

And. I gotta do. This thing is used to for

8:59

shepherd. Are

9:01

going to cause any to censor themselves or your? they're. Just.

9:06

Do they literally I I Ok. To

9:08

They literally just. Inject

9:10

some stem cells into your were in what I've

9:13

been told as they can throw it so I

9:15

gotta go an earlier somehow find a way to

9:17

get to used and so they can take some.

9:19

I sat out I was like hope we can

9:21

take a lot of that found out and. A

9:24

movie grossed just. Because

9:30

they need to remove i go layers

9:32

of they couldn't get the cells of

9:34

their luggage by drawing it they start

9:36

growing stem cells. Oh, from

9:38

your own body. Oh tender stem

9:40

cell donors. And man

9:42

I didn't I v or something I

9:45

would imagine and then you know or some

9:47

injection. I don't know what that thing. You.

9:51

Put. Me on a Td twelve died. As I'm at

9:53

a point about. You know what

9:55

if you want mean of were crystals. And.

9:59

and and like Do whatever

10:01

it takes. West Coast LA nonsense. Yeah,

10:05

fine. I don't care. If

10:08

I have to listen to the chain smokers all

10:11

day, fine. I don't care. Even if it's placebo,

10:13

you'll take it. Placebo effect, you'll take

10:15

it. Man, I feel like- Give me the sugar cube.

10:18

Literally, I don't care. I

10:22

love it. I will

10:24

do anything to stop the pain. I

10:26

love it. Yeah. Scientology, let's

10:28

go. I'll tell you, on one night I just

10:30

broke down and I was like, fuck it, I'm

10:32

going to drink. And I drank. Let me tell

10:34

you what's not a good idea if you have

10:36

inflammatory issues. Drink. Oh, drinking alcohol.

10:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it felt good.

10:40

Once it hit the list, it felt so temporarily.

10:42

Temporarily. Oh my God. It was like two hours

10:45

of, this ain't so bad. Yeah,

10:52

you're invincible. I'm

10:54

like, why does everything hurt so much

10:57

more? Oh my God, man.

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people like what happened? Is your TV

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break? Did

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they just what was an earthquake? You

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knowledge of TV

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is you know Breaking

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bad. I only have two I'm

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only going to Are

13:34

you I think the ending a TV show seems

13:36

a scripted TV show ending a TV show seems

13:39

Extraordinarily hard I think like something that

13:41

somebody You know like TV is

13:43

all about like the next episode and I

13:46

feel like putting a period on

13:48

a series is so hard I can

13:50

only think of bad ones right Lost

13:52

is famously horrible. Never saw an

13:54

episode of lost Game of

13:56

Thrones was literally I was

13:58

the the head leader,

14:01

the ringleader for the petition

14:03

to reshoot the

14:07

last episode of Game of Thrones. I

14:09

mean, it was wild, man. The

14:12

ending of the episode. I hope Benioff doesn't hear this.

14:16

I would say I'm friends

14:18

with him. I'm not a name drop.

14:20

Apologies. I'm only saying this because

14:22

we may want to have him as a

14:24

Gaston in timeline. I

14:27

mean, maybe it was the best ending in that

14:29

way. We're talking about it. We're talking about it.

14:31

I feel sore because I loved it so much,

14:33

but man, that last one was like, all

14:36

right, DB and Dave, they

14:38

just want to get the fuck out of here. I don't blame them. I

14:41

know. I'm sure, like I said,

14:43

it's hard, right? They probably looked at their board and

14:45

were just like, oh my God, we

14:47

have 72 things to wrap up. We

14:49

got to get through this episode. How many

14:51

people do I need to speak to in

14:54

one day that are nerds of that Game of Thrones?

14:57

They were never going to make anybody happy.

15:01

Listen, listen, you put it this way. This

15:04

is my third, my third

15:07

of the best or the ending of any series

15:11

in a monumental change, landmark

15:13

decision. The new number

15:15

one. Here it comes.

15:17

Game of Thrones. Yeah. Game

15:20

of Thrones. Number two is

15:22

Sopranos. Number three. You

15:25

can even move two, three, like move a

15:27

madman. The last episode of Mad Men, the

15:29

last 10 episodes of Mad Men, fucking genius

15:32

of how they integrated into something that really happened.

15:35

Brilliant. Now that I'm just saying this out

15:37

loud, we

15:39

wore the creative geniuses behind

15:42

the TV show Game of Thrones

15:44

and very excited to read the

15:46

Three Body Problem, which is why

15:49

on Netflix, which is this huge book that

15:51

we won't read, but

15:53

just look on Wikipedia. Correct?

15:57

Sure. Finish

16:00

the first thought. If

16:02

we were the creative geniuses who created Game

16:04

of Thrones. And we

16:06

had to endure the Game

16:09

of Thrones nerdery every day

16:11

non-stop. Oh, this would

16:13

be amazing revenge. Just vengeance

16:15

for having a deal with these butchers.

16:18

Just like, ugh, every day. I'm

16:20

pissed off at fucking dick faces talking

16:22

shit about our show. Imagine.

16:25

Can you imagine? You didn't do it by this!

16:28

Yeah. Oh, that's

16:30

not what the dragon would have done! Venerius,

16:33

turkarius, ears weren't shaped that way. That's

16:35

what she looks like when I close my

16:39

eyes at night. Drogon

16:41

was a hundred meters long! Dude,

16:44

no. Fuck them. Okay?

16:47

If I

16:49

was them, if we were them, I

16:51

would, I go, D.V., you know what? It's

16:54

proven that we're really good at this. We

16:57

can, we can craft something

16:59

exquisite out of mumbo-jumbo dragons,

17:01

Dungeons and Dragons garbage and

17:03

make it pretty amazing. So

17:07

all of the animals should question our ability.

17:09

And by the way, I think Benioff,

17:11

25 hours is one of the best books

17:13

and TV. It's amazing. And

17:16

he's done amazing things. One

17:18

of the best in the business. So

17:20

it's unlikely that he would make

17:22

a misstep on purpose.

17:24

Unless it was on purpose. There you go.

17:26

That's why. To make a show that's not

17:28

even divisive. I don't think

17:31

really anybody thought it was good.

17:34

Anybody that watched any of that was

17:36

different. Oh, interesting. Universal,

17:38

they had consensus on their final

17:41

episodes. Yeah. Yeah,

17:43

she's consensus. What? Nobody thought

17:46

it was good. Yeah.

17:48

Right? Nobody. Anybody

17:51

that actually watched all episodes thought

17:53

that, well, they

17:55

didn't have to convince themselves. I've

17:57

now committed like 70 hours of my life to

17:59

them. I'm

18:02

gonna know it's it's good. It's

18:04

good. You know what I mean? Where you

18:06

have to convince yourself Yeah, anybody thought it

18:08

was good. It's like spending a lot of

18:10

money on a meal and you're like Well,

18:12

I don't want to have wasted all that money. That was a good was a

18:15

great meal Wonderful meal wonderful

18:17

meal. Yeah. Yeah, I feel that that's You

18:20

know, I think I could there's not one

18:22

person I think That

18:24

can genuinely say I enjoyed that last

18:26

episode of Game of Thrones And

18:34

it's not only that not only that The

18:37

genius of this is this they're working on this

18:39

cool new thing that's coming out get a three-body

18:41

problem They

18:44

never have to be bothered again

18:46

with comic-con they never have

18:48

to be bothered again with Will

18:50

you make a sequel? No

18:55

one will ever talk to them about this again I

19:00

mean Listen if you're gonna Irish

19:03

goodbye, this is the way to do it. There's

19:05

a mic drop That's what I'm trying

19:07

to say. It's the best So

19:10

my trap you just took a shit in the middle of Florida you walked out

19:12

of the party So if you've been

19:14

listening this podcast, I think I just gave you

19:16

the most revealing glimpse into how my brain works

19:20

How you would have handled the ending of one of the

19:22

biggest? Oh, it's just like oh I'm

19:24

seeing an opening here that we can own we can

19:26

own this plot of land that no one's ever thought

19:29

about The people

19:31

who are pro Game of Thrones

19:33

serious finale They

19:38

just dump they literally had they're like

19:40

just stop the game yeah Same

19:46

that's insane Now

19:51

what if it's true I Mean

19:54

then it's there to show you the deal but listen

19:57

They're too fucking smart and they're too fucking

20:00

good at the job to come up with that

20:02

last episode. Like

20:04

on, like unless it was on

20:06

purpose, they're too good to have

20:09

fucked up. Yeah. Right.

20:12

And if it is intentional in the way

20:14

that you were positing it is, then it's

20:16

the greatest art project of the 20th, 21st

20:18

century. It's amazing. And, uh, before

20:21

we move on, I just want to protest

20:23

to the ringer to the pod

20:25

father, Bill Simmons. You're

20:27

never coming on DTL ever again. That's for

20:30

sure. What

20:32

was his, what was his offense? These

20:34

mother fucking guys did a rewatchables of

20:37

Roadhouse without you. Wow.

20:41

Wow. That's just rude,

20:43

man. That's just rude.

20:46

I mean, if I went to one of those liberal arts

20:48

colleges that had no grades, I would

20:50

have been my thesis, the art

20:52

of Roadhouse, you know, man,

20:55

that is insane. Really. Oh,

20:57

that's not cool. Not only that, I've

21:00

watched it so many times. I've come up

21:02

with a crazy thesis, very similar to the

21:05

last episode of Game of Thrones. That's

21:08

a, I can't remember the director's name. That's

21:11

a actual pseudonym. Or

21:14

he was directed from afar by

21:17

the Cohen brothers. Doug

21:20

Lyman is the, is the third Cohen. No,

21:22

wait, this is the

21:25

new road house with Jill and all was

21:27

original McGregor. The

21:29

original one was rowdy

21:32

Harrington. What

21:35

a name. Rowdy

21:38

Harrington. Somehow

21:41

like given the

21:44

script somehow, I'm just saying somehow,

21:47

some way the Cohen brothers wouldn't wall.

21:50

If you rearrange the letters of rowdy

21:52

Harrington and move each one, one place

21:54

that spells Cohen brother. That's

21:56

how much I've watched Roadhouse that

21:59

I've become so. delusional that

22:01

I think it's the highest form of

22:03

cinematic art possible. And

22:06

just bear with me. Let me just tell you this again.

22:09

What if legitimately, what

22:11

if we found out say 15 years from now?

22:14

Seriously, please use

22:16

your imagination here, you know, please.

22:19

And the listeners, please bear

22:22

with me because if you think

22:24

about this, it is like, holy

22:26

fuck. What did you find out 15 years

22:28

from now that Rowdy Harrington was

22:30

actually an alias for the Coen

22:32

Brothers, right? Who would direct

22:35

from afar and tell this person, actor

22:37

Rowdy Harrington, to direct it as, you

22:40

know, they would actually direct it. The

22:42

script, the shots, the whole thing was

22:44

directed by the Coen Brothers. If

22:48

that came out, what do you think

22:50

people would say? They

22:52

would have to read like, they suddenly, they

22:54

would be like, Roadhouse

22:56

is a masterpiece of cinema. I've always said

22:58

it. Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, like,

23:01

the reason you would say that is, two

23:04

cinematic geniuses, with

23:08

all of their mastery of their powers, especially

23:10

then. This is

23:12

Barton Fink period, right, right after Barton Fink,

23:14

I believe. Well,

23:18

they intentionally made a bad late

23:20

1980s, or like 1990s action movie, with

23:27

all the explosions, all the gratuitous sex and violence,

23:30

all of these things, done poorly to do it

23:32

intentionally that bad or good, right? If

23:41

2024, 2025

23:44

culture now was talking about this,

23:48

they would, I think, have to say that it

23:51

wasn't necessarily bad, it was probably

23:53

the highest form of like

23:55

directing. Are

24:01

you familiar with the, I think,

24:03

urban legend, but maybe possibly

24:06

apocryphal tale that Bill Murray

24:09

agreed to star in the Garfield movie,

24:12

which was directed by Joel Cohen,

24:15

because he thought it was Joel Cohen. He

24:17

thought he was in a Coen Brothers

24:19

Garfield movie, so agreed to appear as

24:21

me, the main character of this movie.

24:23

I don't know, man. Do you think...

24:26

If that happened... If that happened... Hold

24:28

on, Dean. Let's get... I want

24:30

to be real. I want that to be real. Yeah.

24:32

Because what would be... What would you think? Right?

24:36

What would you think? I would be so happy that

24:38

things like that were possible in this

24:40

world, like this, in this world where

24:42

everything is manufactured and predictable

24:46

and just planned out, to

24:48

be discovered that we've been

24:50

completely hoodwinked by these two tours

24:52

and they had directed Roadhouse. Nothing

24:55

in the world would be more exciting than to find

24:57

out in 15 years that the Coen Brothers secretly directed

24:59

Roadhouse. All right. You

25:01

know, Victoria, this is going

25:04

to be the clip that you're going to use.

25:07

Such media. All right. Because

25:09

we're going to say this. Yes, the

25:11

Ringer podcast network, we're pissed that

25:13

you omitted us, specifically

25:16

me, David Chang. I

25:20

would say the world's leading

25:22

figure on Roadhouse lore

25:24

and history. You'd

25:26

not be part of rewatchables Roadhouse

25:29

with Patrick Swayze. All

25:32

right. I'm so upset that

25:35

I was not able to share my theory

25:38

that Rowdy Harrington, the director

25:40

of Roadhouse, was actually not

25:43

directing it, but close

25:46

by, somehow, someway, Joel

25:49

and Ethan Cohen and the Coen Brothers

25:51

actually directed Roadhouse, as

25:53

we know it today. The original, not the new one.

25:56

Shame on you, Bill Simmons. You had

25:58

the world's preeminent Roadhouse. House scholar sitting

26:03

next door and you couldn't be bothered to bring him

26:05

on to talk about this. Shame

26:07

on you, Bill. I mean, if that was

26:09

the... If that did happen, everybody, just think about

26:11

this. If that was the case that in

26:14

2024, we find out in

26:16

total honesty, the Coen brothers

26:19

directed Roadhouse, I think

26:21

that would be more of a surprise than

26:23

the people finding out the

26:25

CIA was involved in JFK's assassination. It

26:30

would be a bigger bombshell and it would be

26:33

more exciting. Yeah. I mean,

26:36

it'd be like, what? It

26:39

makes me depressed to think that that kind

26:41

of thing doesn't happen. Isn't

26:43

that depressing? That that's not

26:46

a real thing in the world? Which is why I choose to

26:48

believe that it did happen. Shame

26:52

on you, rewatchables. Shame on

26:54

you. Let's go ask Dave to

26:56

be part of a chef movie. We

26:58

can talk about that. That's the least one I

27:00

know I ought to talk about. I

27:03

don't know. I'll talk about

27:05

that. So I'm like my friend. I can't be

27:07

critical. I know. What are

27:09

you guys... Yeah. But you

27:11

could... Oh my God. You've put so much

27:14

study into Roadhouse. You know? What are your

27:16

thoughts on this potential revelation? I

27:18

think you guys are right. I

27:21

think it's actually happening. I

27:24

think we're going to find out, guys. But

27:27

if it does happen, do

27:30

people look at that movie as one of

27:32

the greatest cinematic achievements of all time? I

27:36

mean, no question about it. And also, have you

27:38

guys clicked on Rodney Harrington's Wikipedia? It

27:41

looks like the Wikipedia of a fake person. I don't

27:43

know. It doesn't make any sense. As

27:46

a Hollywood director and writer currently residing in

27:48

Livingston, Montana, he is married and has

27:50

no children. It's just like... I'm just

27:52

saying. He has no children. There's like

27:54

five characters in the Big Lebowski

27:56

that are actually in Roadhouse.

28:00

most notably Jackie Trehorn. Is

28:03

it both? He

28:06

also went from, I'm looking

28:08

at Rowdy Harrington's filmography

28:10

here. He went from being

28:14

Best Boy Electric on two movies to

28:17

Gaffer on four movies to directing

28:20

Roadhouse. This is not

28:22

possible. I'm telling you,

28:24

this is not possible. My

28:28

whole theory on Roadhouse really

28:30

stems from this bit

28:32

that again, when I watched it a thousand

28:34

times in college, Patrick

28:37

Swayze graduated with a

28:41

philosophy degree from

28:43

NYU. Hey,

28:47

you know, could you do this? You

28:50

know, can you, I don't want to

28:52

gaslight anybody. I don't want to, I don't want to

28:54

undermine our democracy at all. But

28:56

could you add a section to

28:58

the Wikipedia on Roadhouse, like a

29:00

conspiracy theory section,

29:02

positing that say like on

29:05

the Dave Chang show, noted

29:07

film critic, Dave Chang,

29:10

leading Roadhouse scholar, leading

29:12

Roadhouse scholar. Just, can you just put

29:14

something together that is based in

29:16

truth, cite this episode of the Dave Chang show

29:18

and just see how long we can keep this

29:21

out in the world. Let's just see how long

29:23

we can keep this. Let's just start, let's start

29:25

it right now. Yeah. All right. Well, as everybody

29:27

listening, everybody listening, right? If we

29:30

can start a religion called

29:32

Scientology, if we can start

29:34

religions that have golden tablets that never existed,

29:36

if we can start all kinds

29:38

of things that are totally ridiculously crazy, we

29:42

can get people to believe this. Yeah.

29:45

And I, I don't know, I don't know

29:47

what the headline is. Not controversy section, just

29:49

some sort of section to this Wikipedia that

29:52

says with citing

29:54

this, citing this episode that

29:56

this is, there's a theory,

29:58

the Cohen brothers. Theory. Yeah.

30:01

Put it under the section called like Cohen brothers

30:04

theory or something. And

30:06

just see if we can get this to last for a

30:08

week. As long as this is for, as long as people,

30:12

forever, we're putting this into the, this

30:16

cultural cortex. We

30:19

need, we need one more. We need one more citation.

30:22

We have to get somebody else. We need to get

30:24

like van Lathan to suggest this

30:26

too, or something. We need another source that we

30:28

can, we can cite on this fact. Let's

30:30

get another co-conspirator. I'm just, again, just look

30:32

at the cast of characters that are in

30:35

Cohen brothers movies and show up

30:38

in the greatest

30:41

movie of all time. Yeah.

30:43

Like Susan Cain two and

30:45

then Roadhouse. It's pretty

30:47

simple. Sam Elliott

30:50

is in both. Like this is like

30:52

two more. Yeah. There's a

30:54

lot of people on production that are

30:56

on both. I'm telling you, it's there.

30:58

It's a real life story. Are

31:03

you believing me now? We're

31:05

33 minutes into this podcast and so

31:07

far, Game of Thrones finale, the greatest

31:09

finale of all time. How

31:13

secret Cohen brother goes on. God damn. We

31:17

have really, we have changed

31:19

this podcast into a wild conspiracy

31:21

theory podcast. I'm loving it. Low

31:25

stakes conspiracy. Here's

31:37

the deal. Why these, these theories are great. If

31:40

we're wrong, they were fun to think about. So

31:43

there's no downside and we're not hurting anyone's

31:45

feelings at all. We're not hurting anyone's

31:47

feelings at Roadhouse. More

31:50

forbid, Roddy, Roddy. How Roddy.

31:57

Did you be like, It's

32:00

like, no, we're elevating you motherfucker. We're

32:02

saying you're one of the greatest stretches

32:04

of all time. There's

32:07

no way Rowdy can be offended by this comparison. There's

32:09

no way. And there's no way, D.B.

32:11

Weiss and David Benioff could be upset about

32:13

us saying that they created a masterpiece last

32:16

episode of Game of Thrones. Because if you

32:18

were in their position, get

32:20

me the fuck out of there. I don't want to talk to

32:22

you anymore. So if we're wrong, there's

32:24

no harm, no loss. Not gonna lose.

32:27

But if we're right, it's

32:29

amazing. If we're right, if

32:32

we're right that Benioff and Weiss

32:34

actually tried to torpedo their own show

32:36

to get out, then

32:39

it's amazing. Cause

32:41

they could have just like torpedoed

32:45

it softly. But

32:49

no, this shows to their testament of great

32:51

being great writers. Let's

32:53

do it to the point where it's 99.9% approval rating. The

32:57

other way. You

33:01

have to try really hard to make sure

33:03

that everybody thinks it's not good. Unless

33:07

you find out that it was intentional, then

33:10

everyone that thought it was not good. Now

33:14

I say it's great. I

33:18

think that's the most credible theory for

33:20

sure. There's no

33:22

other explanation. There's just no other explanation.

33:25

They're too good. How

33:27

do you write something that good and then

33:30

it just lands like that? That has to

33:32

be like, and I bet you in the

33:34

writer room, they're like, people are gonna be so pissed. I don't

33:36

have the balls. If Benioff comes as a guest, you

33:38

think I have the balls to tell them this? Oh,

33:41

you for sure should, dude. Just like, they

33:44

have to know that the reception is dead. I'm gonna be like, you

33:47

guys, I cracked the code. I cracked the DaVinci

33:49

code. I

33:51

don't think so, man. What a wonderful way. I don't

33:53

think so. I mean like, let's

33:56

play that one out for a second. Best

33:59

case scenario. You're right. He's

34:01

still not gonna be like, oh my god,

34:03

I you're I'm here. Yes. Yes. I

34:05

torpedoed I torpedo the biggest show

34:08

television history on a lark Thank

34:11

you Thank

34:14

you for making me unemployable ever again

34:19

Worst case scenario he's like what

34:21

the fuck did you say about my tv show? I

34:24

tried really hard man. I tried really

34:27

hard. Fuck you, man That's

34:30

a lose-lose proposition. I'm sorry guys. I'm trying

34:32

to choose a username for wikipedia right now

34:43

Listen Wonderful. What

34:46

a wonderful way to look

34:48

at the world, right? If

34:51

just take anything and to be

34:53

able to use some imagination spit

34:55

on it Polish a little

34:58

bit and then you get this crazy The

35:00

possibly true idea is

35:02

nice That's

35:06

why this is the best episode we've ever done That

35:10

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35:12

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37:21

YouTube? What have you been watching is I think

37:23

the theme of this segment, right? You

37:25

know that we're talking about? Yeah, I mean

37:27

you guys have been watching Masters

37:29

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37:33

Apple. Directed by

37:35

the sexiest man in the world, Kerry

37:37

Fukunaga, I think. I'm

37:40

a big fan of the Pacific and Band

37:42

of Brothers and I'm not

37:45

necessarily loving it as

37:47

much. Oh. Yeah.

37:52

Oh. And I'm pretty sure

37:54

they're gonna have an episode of the Tuskegee

37:56

Airmen because it's like in the

37:59

intro. Well,

38:01

we're like 10 episodes in. I

38:03

was doing a blackboard. They teased the Tuskegee

38:05

Airmen and they just don't show up. I

38:13

mean, it's got to be the

38:16

Tuskegee Airmen because like,

38:18

you know, just

38:20

waiting. Just waiting. Honestly,

38:23

I mean, not watching the show just

38:25

to see the Tuskegee Airmen. You

38:28

don't know, Wesley, a very, very famous

38:31

Air Force squadron of African American men. And

38:33

I just was

38:35

like, oh, that'll be cool. How

38:38

are they going to integrate this? Nothing else to

38:41

get like, how are they going to make these

38:43

sort of work? Oh, they're

38:45

not. They're not. It's

38:50

just for the trailer. Oh,

38:55

man. Oh, man. They pulled you in. Unless,

38:58

unless it's a 20 episode series that it makes

39:00

sense. But I think it's only like 11, 12.

39:04

We'll see. We'll see. I've been watching

39:06

that, watching. You

39:09

were, you were, you bend the air. You

39:12

bend the air. I crushed that. I

39:15

crushed that. Watch the first season

39:17

was so unsatisfied that it left on

39:20

me, left me on like a cliffhanger

39:22

that I immediately read every, everything that

39:24

happened in the comic books. So now I know.

39:27

So now it's complete. So

39:29

if I don't get to watch the

39:31

next one's fine. Like

39:34

I renewed. I saw two new seasons of that coming out.

39:36

I never watched that cartoon. I

39:39

started watching. I started

39:41

watching that

39:43

octopus murders American conspiracy

39:46

on Netflix. And then I

39:48

thought maybe I realized I turned it on and

39:50

I was like, Oh no, am I

39:52

being turned into a Q and on person right now? What

39:54

I'm doing right now. So

39:57

I abandoned that. But I've been

39:59

getting into the, I've been getting into. the airbending I'm

40:01

gonna do it air bending I skipped a

40:03

couple of episodes because you know

40:05

what's gonna happen yeah I

40:07

mean you know what's gonna happen I

40:13

don't know I mean have

40:16

you been watching a lot no

40:18

I could have been trying to go to oh I've

40:21

been watching some of the formula 1 man

40:25

man new formula 1 max really ruined it for me

40:31

I've equalized a 3 queued up I can't

40:33

believe I haven't watched that yet cuz it's

40:36

amazing the

40:39

brother-son it's too not for

40:41

me I want to I

40:44

want to love it I want to represent support

40:46

but I can't cuz

40:49

it was scary right

40:51

a little scary I'm

40:55

with you man you know I'm with you I hate

40:57

being scared I don't know anybody who

40:59

wants to be scared you know we

41:01

got something somebody feed Phil news

41:03

news season full swings out

41:07

Netflix say slam I think

41:09

many of the people that work on dinner time live produce

41:12

that I also

41:16

try to watch that but other than that

41:19

I I still watch a lot of YouTube are

41:23

you still into your overland vehicles overland

41:26

and outdoor boys oh yeah and

41:29

also now that she go for whatever

41:31

reason is watching Mark

41:33

Rober like non-stop you

41:37

know so I know mark right

41:40

we're friends and

41:43

I told you guys like you know you've met

41:45

him because he was watched like every sorry not

41:47

trying to name job but it's crucial to this

41:50

story I was

41:54

like you know you're you've hung out

41:56

with mark but

41:59

I've been He can't put that together like

42:01

no, he could put that together because it was it

42:03

was like, you know, not that long

42:06

ago like a year ago and

42:09

he goes immediately to me he's

42:11

like Well That

42:15

was before I knew who he was so how could

42:18

I know him? I

42:21

mean that logic is pretty flawless flawless

42:24

logic. He was

42:26

nobody to me To me therefore I

42:28

didn't meet the person that is somebody

42:30

to me I

42:33

mean that's fucking deep philosophical shit right there.

42:35

I had to walk away be like what

42:37

the fuck did he just say? You

42:39

were like you walked away. You're like is that true?

42:44

I swear to god I did I think I

42:46

was so confused. I think he's right He

42:50

literally he literally said that when I put him

42:52

to bed. I was like, you know He's

42:54

like if he if I

42:57

didn't know who he was how could I have

42:59

met him whoa That's

43:03

some that's a mind-bending shit right there I know

43:05

all right, let's take a break All

43:09

right, you know what do we got here? All right, fellas. It's time for

43:11

an ask dave We've been getting a lot of mail and a lot of

43:14

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43:16

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43:18

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43:20

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43:22

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43:24

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43:26

to be featured on the show All right, dave.

43:28

So This one's about the origin story

43:30

of the krispy kreme donut dessert So hi dave two weeks

43:33

in a row. I've seen you make the pan-fried donuts with

43:35

ice cream on ttl I was hoping you could talk about

43:37

how you make them and the origin of the idea

43:39

on the podcast I recently tried making the dish

43:41

with some store-bought glazed donuts and it was a

43:43

sticky mess I enjoy the creme brulee like texture

43:45

that frying them created but hope there's a secret

43:48

to not making a mess dinner time live Is

43:50

a great concept and you're executing it. Well, thank

43:52

you patrick Oh, sorry last part

43:54

for emphasis. Thanks grace Patrick

44:02

O's are safe work. When

44:07

you role play, it's like

44:09

call me Patrick O. Your show's so good

44:12

Dave. You're

44:18

doing a great job at work. Oh

44:22

baby, talk complimentary to me. Oh,

44:27

this hurts my shoulders so much. Affirm

44:29

me, affirm me. Oh man. The

44:32

donut where the donut came from. The

44:36

donut came from, I'm trying to tell

44:38

the story without like

44:40

trying to censor names.

44:42

So I was at, I was hunting.

44:44

I was on a hunting trip at

44:46

the hunting lodge and

44:50

there was a, it's not really

44:52

a hunting lodge but a

44:54

person that was cooking there, I actually

44:56

knew he was the, one of the

44:58

chefs at a three mission star restaurant in France. And

45:04

he was cooking there and he

45:07

was cooking for some distinguished gentlemen

45:09

and gentle ladies and,

45:17

you know, we were chatting. I was like,

45:19

oh, what are you doing here? You got

45:21

married to a woman from Louisiana, blah, blah,

45:23

blah. So he's here now. Anyway,

45:28

sitting down, having beautiful

45:30

food. And

45:32

when I say beautiful, it was just like mashed

45:34

potatoes and like, but like

45:36

when someone that's fucking good cooking doesn't, it's like,

45:40

man, so good. It's

45:42

so fucking good. Anyway, I'm

45:45

expecting this grand dessert of some sort

45:47

and it comes out because of the

45:49

person that's cooking it. I'm now thinking

45:51

everything is going to be homemade or

45:53

whatever, whatever. It's the first one, yay.

45:56

And I taste this thing and

45:58

it's a donut, crispy cream. And I

46:00

am like totally bewildered, completely

46:03

utterly bewildered. Cause

46:05

I think to myself in the Pantheon of great

46:08

fights I've ever had, this is right up there. Do I want

46:10

to say it's the best? Do I want to say it's five,

46:12

10? When you

46:14

see, so you've told me this story

46:16

before and I've never asked you this.

46:18

When you see this come out, do

46:20

you recognize it instantly as a pan

46:22

fried store-bought donut, or do you think

46:25

that doesn't even cross your mind? No. Cause it's

46:27

in that like a, it came out in like

46:29

a silver. Bowl, you know, like

46:33

an old school silver bowl with, with,

46:35

with, with, with

46:38

look like creme anglaise on the bottom

46:40

and a canal of ice cream on

46:42

top. Okay. So it was like presented

46:44

beautifully. Yeah, but, but, but

46:47

it still wasn't like overly done. It's just, it

46:49

was actually like how it was

46:53

actually pretty simple. No, no bullshit, you

46:55

know, like

46:57

a French dessert. But that's what it looked

46:59

like. Like

47:01

a from a bistro. And

47:04

I was like, I took a bite of this thing

47:06

and I literally was like, what the fuck? I

47:10

couldn't understand it. Cause

47:13

it did for me, though, the most important

47:15

things in doesn't have to be dessert, do

47:17

you have textural contrast, right?

47:20

Hard, soft. Do you

47:22

have temperature contrast, cold and

47:25

hot, which is hard

47:27

to do. Do

47:29

you have like a like

47:33

sweet, salty or like sweet something

47:36

else? Right. And this case is more

47:38

sweet, bitter that

47:41

transition. I

47:43

was like, wow, it has so many like

47:47

polarizing components.

47:49

And I was like, what the fuck is so simple.

47:53

And I said to myself, I think this is one of the best bites I've ever

47:55

had. I immediately

47:57

run back to kitchen with like, dude, what? you

48:00

put in here. I'll tell you after dinner.

48:02

I was like, Oh man, I can't

48:04

wait. He's like, I'll tell you after dinner. I

48:07

come back and

48:10

he's like, all right, here's what it is. He

48:13

didn't use Krispy Kreme. He

48:15

actually used Dunkin Donuts. Two

48:18

day old Dunkin Donuts in the refrigerator

48:21

was store bought ice cream. Just

48:24

like Briar's vanilla ice cream. And

48:26

I wanted to punch him in the face. I

48:28

was like, I was gonna say, you mustn't so

48:30

mad fucking angry. And then I just

48:34

laughed out loud. I laughed

48:36

out loud because I thought to

48:38

myself, if

48:40

you take your sort of,

48:43

this is how food has to

48:45

be mentality, that

48:49

only a certain way of making

48:51

a dessert can be

48:53

delicious. If I

48:55

take away these constructs that have been placed

48:57

among how I'm supposed to think about food,

49:00

and I just literally just

49:02

think about how it tasted and I

49:04

get all these contrasts and it's just

49:06

fucking decadent and delicious. And

49:09

then it told me that it's made with a commercially

49:12

made donut with commercially made ice cream. And then all

49:14

they do is pan fry it sometimes with

49:16

a little butter, sometimes not. And

49:19

when you got that contrast, because it's

49:21

so hot that the sugars in whatever

49:24

in the glaze, it starts to

49:26

pull. You know how difficult it is to pull sugar?

49:28

Like well, you can pull sugar quite well with these

49:30

donuts with Krispy Kreme. And that's why I like the

49:32

Krispy Kreme glaze because I think it pulls sugar a

49:34

little bit better than the Dunkin and I'm more partial

49:37

to Krispy Kreme because I think it's a better donut.

49:39

And then you add on

49:41

like the, to me, the

49:43

most fucking insane combination.

49:47

It's not high low. It's low

49:49

low, but tastes

49:51

fucking high high. Right?

49:55

It's usually high low is

49:57

a mixture of high and low and good. No,

50:01

but when you're mixing the lowest of not lowest

50:03

of the low, but you rarely

50:05

do you get something that tastes elevated, tastes

50:07

more elevated than something that's homemade. In fact,

50:09

I do think it tastes better than a

50:12

homemade donut and a homemade ice, but ice

50:14

cream. Call me crazy. So

50:18

this is, this is a lot

50:21

in this moment. So you've told me

50:23

this story. I know this origin story,

50:25

but it's only occurring to me right now. You

50:28

have said, I think maybe you just said, this

50:31

is a dish that could be on a

50:33

three Michelin star menu. Like you, this would

50:35

not be out of place. Do

50:38

you mean if I

50:41

can remove the sort of the constructs and

50:43

the preconceived notions and the stereotypes about what

50:45

belongs and what doesn't belong in a restaurant,

50:48

you are saying, if

50:51

you were served this exact dish

50:54

at a three Michelin star restaurant, at

50:56

La Bernadette or something, it

50:59

would not be out of place. This exact.

51:01

No, absolutely not. And in fact, let me

51:03

remind you, my friend

51:05

was the chef's cuisine at a

51:08

destination three Michelin star

51:10

restaurant from France. Okay.

51:16

So I was expecting

51:18

that level. So

51:21

in some way, I'm the closest to that

51:23

scenario as anyone could with this ridiculous conversation

51:25

we're having about a donut and ice cream.

51:30

But yeah, I think that if

51:32

it was coming out of any of the top kitchens of

51:34

the world and the proper, listen, if you

51:36

bring out, if

51:38

you bring out these donuts on a

51:41

Ghirardin with a beautiful flame

51:43

and they're doing a table

51:45

side and they're taking

51:48

the creme anglaise and they're, you

51:51

know, making sure that it's beautiful

51:53

and they take out the nice

51:55

chilled bowl from below and they

51:57

pour it in. the

52:00

creme anglaise, then they take

52:02

the donut, put it on a silver tray, and

52:05

then with tongs, they design

52:07

specifically for this donut because it's so sticky,

52:09

but they figured out how to put

52:12

the donut directly in the middle, and

52:14

they pour a little more creme anglaise

52:16

over the donut, and

52:18

then they make a perfect canal with a beautiful

52:21

silver spoon right in the center, in

52:23

the Bain Marie, and then blah, blah, blah, and

52:25

they place it in front of me. I

52:27

don't think anybody wants to think that it's

52:29

not homemade. It's an incredible thought exercise.

52:32

It's an incredible thought exercise. If I sat down,

52:34

if I had that, I was

52:36

at a restaurant, they brought out a trolley,

52:39

they pan

52:41

fried the donut to order in front of me, they pulled

52:44

it out of under a glass cloche, and they put

52:46

it on this pan. They carefully took these tongs, they

52:48

put on the plate, they poured the creme anglaise, they

52:50

put a canela of ice cream on there, and I

52:52

ate it, and I was just moved to tears by

52:54

the beauty and deliciousness of this. And

52:56

then I found out later it was a Krispy Kreme donut, or if

52:58

I was 99% of the world, I found

53:00

out it was a Krispy Kreme donut, I would be

53:02

incensed. I'd be so mad,

53:06

and I would write a nasty Yelp

53:08

review, and there would be an expose

53:10

and eater and whatever, whatever. But

53:13

why? Does the

53:15

fact of it being a Krispy Kreme donut negate the

53:17

pleasure you would be spending it? The way things in

53:19

life are better because they're more expensive, actually

53:22

truly intrinsically better. Listen,

53:27

there are things that I repeat in my

53:29

life and think about a lot because it

53:31

continues to grow and change, and sometimes it

53:34

gets overly repetitive, but oftentimes,

53:37

I'll jump to a new angle. And I think

53:40

one of the reasons why I love this

53:42

dish so much, besides it being really truly

53:44

delicious, and besides it being a perverse take

53:46

on culture, it

53:49

is almost an arthouse project.

53:51

It is, to some degree, a statement of

53:53

things. It can be all of those things,

53:55

but most importantly, if it's not fucking delicious,

53:57

it doesn't fucking work. itself,

54:00

it's a supremely delicious dish. And I

54:02

don't give a fuck who the fuck you

54:04

are. If you've been a participatory for like

54:06

25 fucking years, like there are people that

54:09

are going to downright hate this dish. Fine.

54:12

Right? But all I'm saying why I love

54:14

sports and just other parts of culture so much is

54:17

I look at this not as

54:19

a direct correlation, but very, very

54:21

similar correlation to well, you that

54:24

that that guy couldn't be a star

54:26

baseball player. He doesn't

54:28

have a girlfriend. He's short

54:30

and chubby. Doesn't look

54:32

like he's going to be homecoming king. You

54:35

know, I found that liberating. I found,

54:37

you know, the quantitative part of sports,

54:39

they had a list to be liberating

54:41

because it, you sort of take away

54:43

this bullshit. And although weirdly,

54:45

I think they've ruined the game. I

54:49

mean, impossible to

54:52

watch. That's another story. Yeah,

54:54

well, here's another story. You

54:58

know, it's like it was awesome because it changed

55:00

sort of the pool

55:03

of players that you could root for. It's awesome

55:05

to look at the NBA now to

55:07

know that the best players are not from America. They're

55:10

just not, not even remotely

55:12

close right now. It's like, okay,

55:17

that's pretty cool to me. And

55:21

it's not like they were not good before. They

55:23

probably would have been better here longer if we

55:25

just opened the doors. I've

55:28

always wanted that for food. And in

55:30

some ways, this is me playing a practical

55:32

joke, but not a practical joke because it's

55:34

actually fucking delicious. But it's

55:37

an interesting thing. Like

55:39

if Jerry Sultas here, we could talk about

55:41

this dish for a few hours, I think. Without

55:47

being masturbatory, you know? Yeah.

55:50

When the value of something,

55:52

value versus

55:56

worth, right? Absolute

55:59

value of this thing is a big deal. It's delicious. And we

56:01

all know what the value versus worth

56:03

is the more expensive. The

56:05

more worth it. It is. We all

56:07

know that sort

56:11

of the certainty of life, the more you have to pay for

56:13

something, the better it is. We all know

56:15

that to be true. Oh, it's all the, all

56:17

the plus you

56:20

get what you pay for. Yeah. All

56:24

right. So,

56:27

Hey, Dave and the rest of the crew. Hope you're all doing well. I'm

56:29

a graduate student, read someone on somewhat of a

56:31

budget, looking to spend a couple of days eating

56:33

in LA as a tree, anticipating a difficult year

56:35

in my program, what are some places in LA

56:37

that would be good to try as a single

56:39

diner? Maybe places are easier to

56:41

get into by yourself. That would be otherwise inaccessible.

56:44

I'm also looking to have a splurge meal. If

56:46

it's somewhere really special. Any other

56:48

general tips? Plurge splurge meal right now, go

56:50

to Providence, sit at the bar.

56:52

They just refurbished the bar. And,

56:55

uh, honestly, it's a really good idea. I

56:57

think I should do that too. It's

57:00

sick. It's so sick there. Uh,

57:03

that was, that's where I'd go for a splurge meal. No

57:05

question. Um, or

57:08

the bar at major Domo. I

57:11

was wondering if you'd actually say that, which

57:13

I'm so glad you did. Weirdly is awesome

57:16

as a diner for solo. We've

57:19

always tried to embrace solo dining because I think it's

57:21

the purest form of dining. I really do. I,

57:23

I just think when someone

57:25

can dine by themselves and do it on the regular and you

57:28

see it is one of the coolest,

57:30

like coolest things you can see from

57:32

a person. You know, I, I

57:35

can talk about that at a whole nother length later, but

57:37

I think if you think about it, it tells you

57:39

a lot about an individual. I would say the simple

57:42

answer to this question is this is almost

57:44

every restaurant that you would like to go to might

57:46

have a bar and

57:49

that's where you should go. And

57:52

if it's a restaurant that makes you feel like you shouldn't

57:54

be there or you just

57:56

feel uneasy and we have all

57:59

had that feeling sometimes. I feel that I go to

58:01

a Korean restaurant, you know, it's an uneasiness. You

58:03

can, your Spidey sense tells you, then you don't

58:05

have to do that there. Right. But there are

58:07

places where solo dining at the

58:09

bar is probably like the

58:11

best way to die and the best

58:13

way to meet people, the best way

58:15

to, again, share

58:18

food. They get to do dining

58:20

solo is you can't order

58:22

as much or you can, and then, you know,

58:25

you look weird or you can use that as an opportunity to

58:27

make friends. It's probably the

58:29

only time. Yeah. Yeah. And

58:31

it tells you, Oh, someone's reading a book. They

58:34

don't want to talk. If someone's just not

58:36

even looking at their phone, but they're

58:38

just, if you're at, let's just say

58:40

you're out Providence and

58:43

I'm solo dining at the

58:45

bar. I'm not looking at my

58:47

phone. Maybe it's there to take some photos

58:50

and I'm, I'm not like reading

58:52

a book, but I'm thinking about

58:54

the food and I'm tasting every morsel

58:57

and I'm like in it.

58:59

I'm talking to small yay about the best pairing.

59:02

Sounds like a delightful evening. Quite crazy. But

59:07

if I'm on the, if I'm there too, it's

59:09

like I'm there for

59:11

the same reason. That's

59:14

like realizing

59:16

your college roommate, like the same bands you do.

59:19

You know what I mean? Like you're freshmen, your roommate.

59:21

Like, Oh, and you can

59:23

have this bond with a stranger and

59:26

maybe it'll leave to a movie like serendipity, probably

59:29

not,

59:31

but

59:34

maybe, maybe you can make a connection

59:37

and then buy a glove at Bloomingdale's.

59:40

You know what it makes it reminds me

59:42

of, I forget where we were talking about.

59:45

That's another movie that I'm going

59:47

to downright say that I thought was terrible now is

59:49

amazing. Cause I

59:51

remember everything about that movie. It's

59:54

no other movie in my life. Do

59:56

I remember like every act and every,

59:58

just about to say serendipity. What

1:00:00

in the world? Kate

1:00:04

Beckinsale and John Cusack Well

1:00:06

the thing of the solo dining I remember you saying this

1:00:08

about major Domo as a restaurant as a whole and Why

1:00:11

you liked the location that you

1:00:13

guys chose was it's not It's

1:00:17

not you know in some super

1:00:19

walkable neighborhood. It's not in the thick

1:00:21

of all of these other restaurants

1:00:23

It's out of the way. And so people have

1:00:25

to be Intention have to have intention to go

1:00:27

there. You've got to make something.

1:00:29

I wanted that for many of

1:00:32

our restaurants Yeah, whether they're stable in the back

1:00:34

of the casino and all these things No worse

1:00:36

the worst location for possible. Yeah, there's

1:00:38

something that translates with that solo dining

1:00:40

too Because it's like if

1:00:42

you're a solo diner whether it's at a restaurant

1:00:45

like Providence or somewhere else and I'm not good

1:00:47

at solo dining I'll say that right off the

1:00:49

bat, but if you're there so not it's not

1:00:51

for everybody You're there

1:00:53

with intention. You're not there. You're not

1:00:56

there because you had to be there You're not there

1:00:58

because somebody else picked the restaurant. You're not there for

1:01:00

a business meeting You're not there for a date You're

1:01:02

there because you want to be there and

1:01:04

you want to eat there like that's that's

1:01:07

something special I think you know from the

1:01:09

other side quality time quality time for you

1:01:12

How long do you feel baby? How long do

1:01:15

you think that meal is for you personally Chang if you

1:01:17

sit at the bar at Providence and go through? You know

1:01:19

the funny thing is is I eat slower When

1:01:22

I bought myself, I

1:01:24

don't think there's anything weird about that I think when you're with

1:01:26

me or anybody else you're just trying to get the fuck out

1:01:28

of there Oh,

1:01:34

yeah, yeah not wrong. All

1:01:36

right Let's

1:01:39

do with a quick dose Dastardomas and then

1:01:41

we can get out of here Dave a lot of people

1:01:43

across the world seem to be feeling the pinch of high

1:01:45

Food prices in the past going out to eat with something

1:01:47

more something people could do on a lark But that's quickly

1:01:49

changing So what are some strategies for us to continue to

1:01:51

eat out in this kind of uncertain future and do it

1:01:53

at a financially sustainable Level, how do you see the industry

1:01:55

changing for people who like to eat out on a budget?

1:01:57

I mean the most practical answer is try to go for

1:02:00

I mean, that's if they do

1:02:02

offer lunch and

1:02:04

sometimes it might be an abbreviated menu, but

1:02:07

like lunch is a great way

1:02:10

to partake in a restaurant's offerings.

1:02:12

Oftentimes, not always, it

1:02:14

can be dramatically cheaper.

1:02:18

You might get a really good deal. Like

1:02:20

Jean-George for years, I

1:02:22

think it's still like 35 bucks. It was

1:02:24

like a $35 pre-fee for like five to six. I

1:02:29

think it's changed now. I think Porterhouse

1:02:31

in Time Warner Center, which is a

1:02:34

great steakhouse by Michael M Monica.

1:02:46

There's like a $5 to $7,

1:02:48

$35, $38 steak, shrimp cocktail, salad, dessert. Porterhouse may

1:02:50

not be known by a lot of people outside of New

1:02:52

York City. It's

1:02:55

a great restaurant. But

1:02:57

New Yorkers go there. It's like

1:03:00

upper West Siders go there. People that live

1:03:02

in Midtown area go there. It is like

1:03:05

fucking jamming all the motherfucking time.

1:03:08

That's also a great restaurant to eat solo. In

1:03:10

addition to Momofuku Noodle Bar, that's also

1:03:12

the Time Warner Center running

1:03:15

plug. No, but that's

1:03:18

an example of a restaurant that is probably

1:03:21

not on many hot lists,

1:03:24

whatever. But again, if you

1:03:26

just go by those lists, you're never going to know that

1:03:28

there are all these other, not

1:03:31

even gems, just like local gems, quite

1:03:33

frankly, to

1:03:36

go check out. Lunch

1:03:41

is the best way. And I

1:03:43

think long-term the effect on it is

1:03:47

we've talked about it a lot. I think it's

1:03:49

not just in food. It's in

1:03:51

culture as well across all facets of

1:03:54

culture. We're headed to a world

1:03:56

where things that normally have

1:03:58

a chance to be thrive

1:04:00

in the middle, right? Independent,

1:04:05

idiosyncratic, mom and pop restaurants,

1:04:08

anything that's trying

1:04:10

to be different

1:04:13

is going to get marginalized because it's too expensive

1:04:15

to make those kinds of mistakes. So

1:04:18

when you have those kinds of restaurants

1:04:20

like not thriving, that only means more

1:04:22

of the higher end restaurants are going

1:04:24

to get more of those customers. So

1:04:26

it's just like a double edged sword there. No,

1:04:29

double edged sword actually, it's just fucking

1:04:31

shitty. Just the

1:04:33

sword. And

1:04:37

again, it's hard to it's harder

1:04:40

than ever. It's always been hard to

1:04:42

be successful in this business. But it's

1:04:44

not impossible. In fact, it's pretty

1:04:47

simple. You

1:04:49

know, if you want, if

1:04:51

you're going to do well, it's about exceeding

1:04:54

in like service technique,

1:04:57

like all the like you just have to

1:04:59

deliver on everything better than anyone

1:05:01

else make it experiential, etc, etc. So you

1:05:04

can do it. But

1:05:08

like that's a whole nother story. I

1:05:12

think that just

1:05:16

going to be cheaper and more expensive to

1:05:19

like. Yeah,

1:05:22

I don't want to talk. I'm trying to find a way to

1:05:25

make this positive. But

1:05:27

I think it's gonna be harder to find deals,

1:05:30

specifically at interesting restaurants. I

1:05:33

wish it was some other way. But

1:05:37

the reality is, if you are excelling

1:05:39

in your restaurant as a group, if

1:05:41

you're crushing, if you have a year

1:05:43

long waiting list, and you are

1:05:46

charging exorbitant prices for your food

1:05:48

were actually probably of

1:05:50

value to their clientele,

1:05:53

it's only gonna get more expensive. Because

1:05:58

the people that are dining there are price incensed. And

1:06:01

in fact, the more expensive you make it,

1:06:04

the more of a cultural currency bonus it

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is to death, which

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is this weird phenomenon. It's

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like, at some point,

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too expensive is actually somewhat

1:06:16

okay, but

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prices out everybody else. And

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that has a whole longer conversation because you're

1:06:25

going to see restaurants that are going to

1:06:27

be able to pay six

1:06:29

figures to everybody in the restaurant. And that's how

1:06:31

you get real paid change,

1:06:33

I think, and quality of

1:06:35

living, like professionalism at a level that

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is rarely seen in restaurants. I think it's going

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to happen not at

1:06:42

mass, but in the best kinds

1:06:44

of establishments, the best kinds of

1:06:46

restaurants. And if you think about those,

1:06:49

they are the very, very high end. So

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that's going to thrive. And if

1:06:53

those things get more expensive, I just don't know

1:06:55

how you have a cheaper alternative at

1:06:58

the same place. You'll have places that are still

1:07:01

good, maybe even from that same chef, but

1:07:04

not going to be in that element

1:07:06

because at some degree, to do

1:07:09

a 15-course tasting menu, it's going to be

1:07:11

$300 in food. So

1:07:14

I don't know how you make that cheap. That's

1:07:17

variable pricing happens. And I guess, what

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was the... It was Wendy's. Wendy's.

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Yeah. They said that their

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menu boards were going to be... They walked it

1:07:27

back within a day. I was infuriated by them walking

1:07:29

it back. Can I just say that? Can I just

1:07:31

say that? Can I just say that? Set it back.

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No, I think food media jumped on it

1:07:36

and was like, oh, what the fuck? What

1:07:38

the fuck? And you know what happened? Wendy's

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started to atone for trying

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this. They started selling $1 hamburgers. And

1:07:45

I think the $1 hamburger is the worst thing that can

1:07:48

happen to our planet. And I think

1:07:50

it's bullshit to have driven... Even

1:07:52

a place like Wendy's, I think it's bullshit to have just like...

1:07:56

Thank you for bringing it up because it's true. That

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just... shows you how allergic

1:08:02

everyone is to change. This pissed me off

1:08:04

so much. This is infuriating.

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Especially in food. And you're right,

1:08:09

the media had certainly a lot to do with it. Just

1:08:12

piled onto it and what did we get? That

1:08:15

could have been the watershed moment. Right?

1:08:18

That literally could have... That was

1:08:20

the moment to get faster than light speed and... I

1:08:22

know. I know. I got

1:08:25

a positive... Bailey was watching, this was the moment. They were

1:08:27

like, oh. Oh. Ooh. I'm

1:08:29

like, oh, hamburgers. Let's get the fuck out of here. What

1:08:31

are these kids doing to their shit, man? I

1:08:34

got a positive note to end on here. I got one for you. I

1:08:36

got this email just now from a couple of

1:08:38

our producers on dining out,

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speaking of restaurants that are incredible and

1:08:43

need our support. Two

1:08:46

of our producers ate at Yangban last week and

1:08:48

they said it was just slammed. Super,

1:08:50

super, super busy. And that cat

1:08:52

said that all those people out in the dining room are

1:08:54

because of the show. And

1:08:56

since the show came out, they've had this huge wave

1:08:58

of new customers and they are so,

1:09:00

so, so happy. And I think we

1:09:02

are all incredibly happy to have hopefully sent

1:09:05

some business their way. But if you haven't eaten a new

1:09:07

restaurant, that's part of it. Don't be

1:09:09

afraid to spend your money on something

1:09:12

new, I think is key to this

1:09:14

whole thing. Well, let me end

1:09:16

it on a not positive note. No,

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great. To

1:09:21

all you Korean people out there that

1:09:25

are not supportive of Yangban, shame

1:09:28

on you. Legit,

1:09:31

fucking shame on you. You

1:09:35

know what I mean? I

1:09:37

do. Your fucking

1:09:39

relatives, your forefathers moved

1:09:41

to this country so

1:09:43

this shit could happen legitimately. And

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I don't got time for you motherfuckers. So

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kudos to John and Kat and the whole team

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at Yangban for refreshing

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it. everybody

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else.