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live show last week. We couldn't out camping with the with the boy Scouts

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there and couldn't make the connection. We thought we had it, but then

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whoops, didn't. So anyway, sorry about that. We don't do that

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too often. Usually we get a good Usually I drive to a McDonald's and

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sit in the parking lot. That's what I do. Anyway, we had

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hiked in so it wasn't possible last week. Again, I know, you

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Oh, how disappointing or maybe gratifying. Right, thank god, I know

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what do you say now? Very interesting developments in the law. You know

2:07

you think, oh, well, you know, it's nothing new under the sun. Right, we had the Bag of the Karta, we had the

2:12

Bill rights, the Constitution and stuff. What could be new in the law.

2:15

It's amazing. I got to tell you. It's brand new developments,

2:19

things that haven't happened in centuries. You know, existing precedence overturned. That's

2:25

right. Like in America you used to think, hey, you know,

2:30

if I have a if I'm going to be held criminally liable for something,

2:36

you have to tell me what I did right that was bad? And you

2:40

have to explain why it was a crime, and I get to have witnesses

2:46

to say no, it wasn't a crime. Right. You see, like

2:50

if or whatever it was, whatever may happen to be like larceny, like

2:55

stealing, right, that's the taking. This is what we call in law.

3:00

I know this because I did go to law school, not once but

3:02

twice. Anyway, Like the theft, what is theft? Well, larceny

3:09

right, stealing something you have to have taking. You have to have taking,

3:15

You have to take something, and then you have to have carrying away.

3:19

You have to take it away, taking and carrying away of the personal

3:23

property. Right, So you got to prove that whatever it was you stole

3:28

was the bad guy stole was personal property of another. You have to show

3:32

that somebody else owned it, right, and you also have to show that

3:37

you intended to permanently deprive that poor sap of his stuff. Right, so

3:43

I mean the victim. So you have to have to taking and carrying away

3:46

personal property belong to another, right with intent to permanently deprive. So back

3:51

in the day, if you were prosecuting, as I did for a while, shoplifting cases for a small municipality, you know that was one of my

4:00

uh one of my incarnations. Uh. Doing that, you had to show

4:03

that these were the guys who took the stuff, and not only did they

4:09

take the stuff, they carried it away, right, And you have to

4:13

show what the stuff was. You have to show his personal property. Uh.

4:15

And you have to show that it belonged to somebody else, that it

4:18

wasn't they didn't walk into the store with it. And you also had to

4:24

show that you were intending uh to to keep it, not to not to

4:30

give it back. Okay. So you had to show all those and guess

4:33

what if you couldn't show all those things, or if there was reasonable doubt

4:38

about any of it, then it was not guilty, okay. And people

4:44

took that very seriously, very seriously. People people are like, because I

4:48

would talk to juries later on, like they stuffed it down their pay Well,

4:51

you know, they might have been. It might have been a gag

4:55

because the other guys in the you know, the other gang guys in the

4:58

gang, we're like, uh, yeah, yeah, I was just a

5:00

joke. We're just we're just playing. Uh he was going to give it

5:04

back. Oh you know, it's like what you believe that huh? Okay,

5:11

Fine, So anyway, people took it serious. Juris. Juris take

5:14

this stuff seriously. So how would you like to be on trial yourself?

5:18

Now? So so, and this is like the the you know, right

5:23

to your to a jury by your peers and fair trial and all the rest

5:26

of the due process of law in America is what we call due process of

5:30

law, simple justice, you might call it. But anyway, now,

5:35

now apparently you don't need that. You don't need that. All you need

5:42

is uh uh, this guy's a bad guy, and and uh he did

5:47

some stuff and he did some other stuff. We're going to prove he did

5:50

this stuff, okay, but we're not going to tell you what's criminal about

5:55

it. And the guy says, the guy who you're accused, and says,

5:59

hey, I got the great expert because this is very confusing. This is not simple lar saying this is a very confusing area of the law,

6:05

very confusing area, and it is confusing. Everybody admits it that it's a

6:10

confusing area of the law. Like it could be tax law. It could

6:14

be uh, securities regulation that would be difficult, right, or it could

6:17

be what's another confusing Oh, I know, election campaign finance law. Yeah,

6:25

that'd be. That's a tough area of the law. Huh. And

6:28

you know, if you're in a if you're in a tax case, for example, you get to have an expert in tax law come in and try

6:34

to explain what the tax law is. And if you're in a securities law

6:39

situation, you get to have a securities guy come in and explain what the

6:44

situation is and all the rest of it. You get to have expert witnesses.

6:47

Is what I'm saying. But not anymore. This is why I'm saying.

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It's like it's like new development. This is great. It's like we're

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in a we're in a new era now where we can convict because we don't

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like them. You understand, you understand. If we like them, well

7:03

then the regular rules would apply. But if we don't like this person,

7:08

then see how well this works, you know how Sometimes they say, oh,

7:13

that bad guy got off on a technicality. Ooh, I wish I

7:15

could you know, you wish you could convict that guy, but you can't

7:18

because technicality. Right nowadays, the bad guys we like, we just let

7:24

them go anyway, right if we like them, or if we feel sorry

7:27

for him or something like that. We don't even try to find technicality and

7:30

where we just say ask screw it, let them go. Yeah you beat

7:32

up a cop, Yeah, four of them beat up a cop. But

7:35

you know, give him a bus ticket. Get him out of here,

7:39

because we kind of like those people. Those are somehow or other we like

7:44

them for some reason. But anyway, get him out of here, Scrambola,

7:47

mazola, get him out of here. But if we don't like you,

7:51

if we don't like you, then we will go back years and years

7:57

and years. In fact, in fact, in fact, get this.

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We'll even take gazillions of money away from you. Oh how about this?

8:05

This is another great development, recent development. I'm just telling you about all

8:09

that because you know this is about law and stuff like that, and you need to know, don't You need to know. You need to know what

8:15

the law is and the interesting developments in the law. That's that's good to

8:20

know, isn't it, The interesting developments in the law. And so one

8:24

of the end, you got to know why these guys died on the battlefield

8:28

protecting this right. You got to know why they died, right, well,

8:31

why they die well preserve our republican You will remember Ben Franklin said,

8:37

you know, when somebody said, what have we done here? And Ben

8:41

Franklin's famous answer, A republic? Or what do we have or something I

8:46

don't know? He say, a republic? If you can keep it?

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Ah, if you can keep it? Have we managed to keep it?

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You be the judge. But anyway, the idea here is how the developments

9:03

in the law all right, fascinating developments, new and interesting stuff. Now

9:07

it turns out that if you just don't like somebody, oh ooh ooh,

9:11

and this is even better. This is this gig gets so good. If

9:13

we don't like them, then we don't have to tell them what they did

9:18

that was supposed or how it was a crime, or what it is we're

9:20

convicting them of. Okay, and guess what if you daisy change something that's

9:26

too old to go to court, Well, we can daisy change that with

9:30

something else that we're not going to tell them about and make it so that

9:33

we can still prosecute them. Aha, how about that? That's justice right

9:37

there? You know, because let's face it, if you got somebody you

9:41

don't like, right, why would you let that person go? You know

9:45

what I mean? I mean, it's fine for you and me, that

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you'd have to prove things. You'd have to have evidence, you'd have to

9:52

allow witnesses, you'd have to you know, follow what's written down there and

9:56

stuff like that. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, right if

10:00

it's if it's you or if it's me, or please God, it's me.

10:05

You know, I hope this would extend to me. But you know

10:07

you have to you have to show that this guy did bad things, whereas

10:11

whereas if you don't like them, then you don't have to show any of

10:16

that stuff. How wonderfully cool is that? What a great development? Huh

10:22

So? Now the rule used to be whether we like you or not,

10:26

you had constitutional rights, you had things that we had to show. Apparently

10:31

Now yeah, oh and by the way, I don't. By the way,

10:37

you have to shut up about it. How do you like that?

10:43

That's another new development. You can't you know, you can't complain anymore,

10:48

you know, complaining, no complaining. If we don't like you, you

10:52

must be a bad guy, right, take your medicine and shut up about

10:56

it. And if you don't shut up about it, going to take your

11:00

money away. There you go. Welcome to the David Carrier Show. I'm

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now at seven four. This is the David Carrier Show. Welcome back to

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the David Carrier Show. I'm David Carrier, your family's personal attorney. This

11:43

is of course our Memorial Day version of the of the David Carrier Show.

11:50

And of course, you know we've got veterans in the family, going back

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to my Danish grandfather who came over on the boat and they sent him right

11:58

back to fight World War One. Uh then of course during World War Two,

12:03

my dad, uncles, they were all involved, including one uncle who

12:07

stuck around for Korea and Vietnam as well. You know, I did my

12:13

military service when nobody was shooting at each other in the in the eighties.

12:16

And then my son, you know you need to take boots on the ground,

12:20

Well I have one of my kids was the boot on the ground.

12:22

One of the boots on the ground over there in Afghanistan. Spent some time

12:28

in Korea as well, but nobody was well, they were shooting for a

12:31

little bit, but but they cleared that up pretty quick anyway. Yeah,

12:37

but here's the here's the beauty part of it. No one died, you

12:41

know what I mean, we don't have anyone on Memorial Day who any family

12:46

member. They all came they all came back. So there's uh so there's

12:52

that. But but as we do every Memorial Day, we'll be out there

12:56

at the Grant and Fire Department for the pancake breakfast and then the Boy Scout

13:01

troop will troop on down to the cemetery. We'll do some patriotic type things,

13:07

some memorial type things, and then then break So anyway, that's that's

13:11

happening. Got a gotta love Memorial Day, those who gave the last full

13:16

measure of devotion, as Abraham Lincoln so well put it so well. But

13:22

you know, you don't want to. I mean, it got us here,

13:26

right, I mean, people willing to die for the country and all

13:28

the rest. And you know, not like we hid behind civilians. No,

13:33

not like we went and raped and murdered people and then when the come

13:39

up and came here, oh, you know, not our fault or something.

13:43

I don't know, I don't know. It's it's a strange world we're

13:46

living in. But let's focus on the legal developments. That's what I'm That's

13:50

what I'm focusing on, because it used to be that you have to know what the crime was before you could be convicted of it, and apparently that's

13:56

not the case anymore. Also, get this, Get this, you can

14:01

also not only be convicted of a crime when nobody knows what the crime was,

14:05

nobody can exactly say what it was, and you can be you can

14:09

be told to shut up about complaining. And in fact, now now see

14:13

this is this is really great, really just another benefit of the of the

14:20

what would you call it? You know, what do people call it when

14:22

when they ignore rules and stuff like that? Oh? Yeah, development?

14:26

Development? Right? Uh? Development? And there's another development. The development

14:31

is that if you're a judge. See, they used to think that judges

14:35

were supposed to be like impartial and very fair. And you know what,

14:39

there was a time when they said that even the appearance, even the appearance,

14:43

you didn't have to show that anybody made any money or anything like that,

14:46

just the appearance of impropriety. You know, can you imagine this,

14:50

The appearance of impropriety was enough to you know, get a judge to say,

14:56

oh maybe I shouldn't do this one. Let's give it to some other judge who doesn't have the appearance of impropriety. And you know, what a

15:03

waste of time. Huh, what a waste of time when we got a

15:05

bad guy and we want him convicted. Right, let's just go with whatever

15:09

judge we get, and suspiciously the same judge who will not only who will

15:16

not only prosecute, who will not only preside over the trials of the individual

15:22

bad guy, but all of his pals too. See, because because you

15:24

don't want the other guys getting away with it, you know what I mean.

15:28

So you want to have the same reliable presider there to to get all

15:33

the bad guys. So okay, that's good. Yeah. So you know,

15:41

some people might think some people might think suspicious people, right, bad

15:46

natured people, people who people who do not have the court by the do

15:54

not have the milk of human kindness by the court in every vein, you

15:58

know, people who are nasty and suspicious. They might think that a judge

16:02

who's child child. See, it's not even the same judge. It's not

16:07

even the judge doing this, it's the judge's kid. I mean, how

16:11

dare you when you've got an adult child, right who's doing something, How

16:15

could you possibly attribute that to the parent. You can't do that. That

16:19

isn't fair, That isn't right. Okay. So the fact that the child

16:25

is making millions of dollars from advertising for the guys who don't like the bad

16:30

guy, you know, the bad guy who's on trial, and they're making

16:33

millions of dollars, you know, or lots of dollars. I don't know,

16:37

fifty cents it would be enough for me, but making some money off

16:41

of publicizing how we're going after this this bad guy, right, and getting

16:45

political contributions because of it, for other people, not for the judge,

16:48

not for the judge. Oh no, no, no, no no,

16:51

the judge isn't getting any money directly. It's the judge's kid who's getting paid

16:55

for doing this, you see. And there are some people, some low

16:59

minded, suspicious people who want to say that's bad. Can you imagine can

17:04

you imagine some people say that that would be an appearance of impropriety. Some

17:08

people would actually say it's actual impropriety. Yeah, yeah, that's right,

17:14

that's right. But you know, of course, the funny thing. Now

17:18

here's the funny thing. The funny thing about it, the same people who

17:22

say that there's no problem with a judge's child, and they always say child

17:26

like they're a twelve year old. Now we're talking about a forty year old,

17:30

thirty forty year old I don't know, grown up kid anyway, But

17:34

there's no problem with that. I don't know, there's no there that could

17:37

How could there possibly be a problem with someone who's related to the judge's child,

17:44

Right, that's a relationship that they're in their thirties or forties or something,

17:48

I don't know, anyway, making a ton of money off the judges

17:52

presiding over the over the bad guy, right, I remember there was a

17:59

guy. I mean, these are the same people though, who are a

18:02

few years ago, as I recall, we're very upset that. See,

18:06

there was this guy who's who ran hotels and stuff and he wanted to be

18:11

I don't know, some sort of politician or something. And he said, okay, look, I'm not going to run anybody. You know, all

18:15

my hotels and stuff like that. Well, I'm not going to run him

18:18

any I'm gonna give him my kids to run, all right, and I

18:21

will be completely out of it. And these kids ran hotels, right,

18:25

they didn't. They weren't like advertising about the bad guy. They were running

18:30

hotels and people paid to live in the hotels, you know, stop at

18:33

the hotel, spend the night, what have you. And the kids were

18:37

running the hotels. And they said that that was bad. There was no

18:41

criminal trial and this guy wasn't a judge or anything. But they said,

18:45

oh, that's the worst thing in the world that that you built up before

18:48

you went into politics. You built up some hotels or something, and now

18:52

your kids are running them, and so that is just treason, impeachment,

18:59

you know, that's that's the worst thing ever that anyone could do. Such

19:03

a thing. But but again, development development, right, and so now

19:07

judges whose kids are making millions off the trials that the judge is presiding over.

19:11

That's okay. Isn't this wonderful to be in this wonderful world where where

19:18

things develop and then you have to you know, you have to stay on

19:21

your toes to keep up with it. Yeah. Oh, and by the way, you can also be suited for gazillions of dollars for stuff that the

19:27

victim can't remember what year it happened in They get you know, like thirty

19:32

years ago. Hey, something bad happened thirty years ago. I don't remember

19:36

what year it was, and it just so happened to be after this TV

19:38

show that that had the same exact plot line of what I'm accusing you of.

19:45

But you know, if it's bad people, right, can we all

19:47

agree that if it's bad people, we don't have to worry about the We

19:51

don't have to worry about this stuff. Why would we worry? You know,

19:53

if it's bad people, let's go get the bad people. Do process.

19:57

That's nothing, that's nothing. So anyway, it's an interesting world we

20:02

live in. So now we're all good people. You're good people, I'm

20:04

good people. We're all good people. And so because we're all good people,

20:08

we don't have to worry that these things will happen to us. Right,

20:14

So just don't be bad people, or don't be well, don't be

20:18

bad people is not good enough? I don't know. Maybe don't be perceived

20:23

as a bad person by the people who can put you in jail and not

20:26

tell you why they're doing it. How about that? There you go,

20:32

that's what we fought for, that's what we died for, and that's what

20:36

this Weekend's all about is making sure that you don't piss off the wrong people.

20:40

Yay, America. You've been listening to the David Carrier Show. I'm

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David Carrier, your family's personal term David's got the how too you're looking for

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Just call seven seven twenty four. This is the David Carrier Show. Well,

21:11

welcome back to the David Carrier Show. I'm David Carrier, your family's

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personal attorney. You have found a place where we talk about a state planning,

21:18

older law, real estate and business law. Now that we've handled the

21:23

updates to the law, the innovations and the the execration some would say,

21:30

but the the new developments. You know, it's a very challenging and exciting

21:36

time to be alive when the law is turning into whatever some people feel like

21:41

the law to turn into. You know, have you ever heard about the

21:45

here's an idea for you, you know, and it and applies to many

21:48

many things, So not just changes in the law, but many things.

21:52

And it's the I forget who came up with this. Some guys a lot

21:55

smarter than me. And it has to do with fences and gates and stuff.

22:00

Okay, gate, there's a gate. There's a wall and there's a

22:03

gate, and the idea is that before you tear down the gate, right,

22:10

like the ability to confront your witnesses, the ability to introduce evidence,

22:14

the you know, a statement of the crime that lays out the elements of

22:18

the offense, things like this, like why would we have those? Why

22:23

would those be part of American law? And for so long? Why would

22:26

they be? Oh, I don't know, there's a bad guy over there.

22:32

I wanna wanna I want to whack them in uh and so uh uh

22:37

stop stop talking to me about this stuff, right, I mean you get

22:41

that. And you know when you see the evil bad guy in the movie,

22:45

Like there's a TV show that seems to be all evil bad guys who

22:48

are going to get off on slimy technicalities, right, and but you say,

22:52

well, why why is the law like that? Why are there those

22:56

slimy technicalities? And you and you don't care really because it's a bad guy

23:02

and you want to get the bad guy. And okay, fine, So this is why they come up with the I forget what they call it exactly.

23:08

It's like the Fable of the Gate or the analogy of the Gate or

23:11

the something of the gate. But anyway, the point is, the point

23:15

is before you tear down a gate. So you got a wall and there's

23:19

a gate in it, right, and you say, oh, I want

23:22

to go back and forth between here and there, and I don't want there

23:26

to be any gates because this gate is getting in my way. You know,

23:30

there's doors getting in my way. There's barrier, and I tear down

23:34

that barrier. Well, maybe it would be a good idea. Here's the

23:40

thought. Maybe it would be a good idea to find out why there was

23:44

a gate in the in the first place. What do you think about that

23:48

one? You know, maybe it would be a good idea to find Well,

23:51

jeepers, if we said that people have the right to confront their accuser,

24:00

right to find out who it was that said the bad thing about them,

24:04

okay, and to know what they're being charged with so that they can

24:10

have a defense. We're going over this with the boy Scouts last week.

24:15

The lawyer and I the scout master and I are both lawyers, and so

24:18

you know, we're going through the Bill of rights. And the kids knew

24:21

the Bill of Rights. It was pretty it was great, It was kind of impressive. But and he made the point that, you know, in

24:30

the Bill of Rights, there's the thing about quartering soldiers and houses, and

24:33

it's like and his challenge to the kids was, why would they just throw

24:37

that in there? You know, why would you think that the government could

24:41

come into your house and throw soldiers in there? Why would they do this?

24:45

And the answer was because that's what Britain had been doing, right,

24:48

was quartering soldiers in people's private homes. He says, you can't do that.

24:55

Oh and by the way, we also can't take your stuff without paying

24:57

you for it. The government can't take your stuff without paying you paying you

25:03

for it. Okay, that's part of the Fourth Amendment there. But the

25:07

point is, why would you make a rule unless there had been a reason

25:14

for the rule? Okay? Why would we set up a system? What

25:18

makes it difficult to put bad guys in jail? You know, it's not

25:22

as easy as it might be. You might just say, hey, you're

25:25

a bad guy, go to jail. You could do that, you know,

25:29

apparently El Salvador has done that. You know, if you have certain

25:32

tattoos or whatever, or somebody says you're a bad guy, go to directly

25:36

to jail. In El Salvador. I mean, look this up. If you doubt me, look it up. They've incarcerated tens of thousands of people.

25:44

I'm you know, very little or no evidence. Now here's the deal.

25:49

It works in El Salvador. People are very happy with it being run

25:53

by the gang's murder capital of the world and all that. Okay, so

25:59

they're happy with it. Well, okay, why did they do things the

26:03

way they do because of the situation that they were in? Do you really

26:06

think we're in that situation? Is that the situation where really really? H

26:11

I think so? Right? Maybe there's a reason for certain things. Maybe

26:15

there's a reason, you know, that the government has to produce evidence.

26:18

Maybe there's a reason that judges aren't supposed to be so freaking biased because they

26:22

have a personal family interest in the outcome of a trial. Hmmm, what

26:27

do you think? Maybe maybe maybe we should allow witnesses to testify who have

26:33

relevant evidence, who are relevant relevant information, right, Maybe we should allow

26:38

that. Maybe we shouldn't allow judges to shut up one side, you know,

26:44

to gag orders and stuff like that, while the other side is,

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you know, is prejudicing the the witnesses, prejudicing the jury. You know,

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by a NonStop, constant drumbeat of information one way rather than the other.

26:59

Maybe maybe there are reasons for those things. Do you think, huh,

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Maybe there's a reason for the gate. Maybe there are wolves out there,

27:07

and maybe you want the gate to prevent the wolves from coming into the

27:10

coming into your side. Maybe there's a reason for these things. And so

27:15

rather than rather than just say, oh, this guy's a bad guy and

27:21

we want to get the bad guy. Yeah, I understand wanting to get

27:23

the bad guy, but I also understand that there's a reason for a process,

27:27

there's a reason for procedure. There's a reason that we should fight that

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we should fight corruption wherever you find it. It seems like it seems like

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that's kind of the sort of thing that might not be a bad thing to

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do, especially especially on this Memorial Day weekend when we remember the people who

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followed the rules. You know, I don't know what the number is,

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and I guess, I guess I'm going to see if I can find it.

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How many how many of the people who died in combat? And that's

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what Memorial Days about, right, It's the people who die in battle,

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the gold Star families, right, that's what it's about. Well, how

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many of those people were drafted? Okay, now, I'm sure there's some

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of them were volunteers, maybe a lot, maybe most, I don't know.

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But how many of those people right because they believed in the law,

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because they believed that they were fighting for something greater than them. But it

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was duly passed laws that got them to be soldiers. They were out on

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the battlefield because they were told to be out in the battlefield, because that

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as a citizen of the United States, they were required to do military service.

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It wasn't their choice. How many I imagine I could google that and

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find out, and if I can't, I'll let you know after the next

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break. But that's how important it is that we all know that, we

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all know that the Constitution applies equally to each of us. And it may

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be uncomfortable sometimes and sometimes you may wish, oh I could get the I

29:03

wish we could get the bad people right. But who are the bad people?

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Do you know? Do you know who the bad people are? You

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think? So? You might be right most of the time, But if

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you're not right, what if somebody else comes in and says, oh,

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by the way, all these rules that apply for so long, so that

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we don't unfairly convict people, we don't unfairly use the state power against the

29:30

individuals. You know, we're going to throw these rules away. Okay.

29:37

And you might say, well, you know, for the bad guy. But still, we made Perry Mason go through the motions, didn't we.

29:42

We made him come up with the fireplace poker that murdered the person. Whatever.

29:48

You know, if Perry Mason has to do it, why shouldn't we. Right, there might be a reason for the gate. There might be

29:55

a reason for the wall. There might be a reason. And if you

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don't know what the reason is, then opening the gate, tearing down the

30:04

wall, all right? Is it a good thing? Is it a bad

30:10

thing? Well? I think it depends on why you have the wall.

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It depends on why you have the gate. You know so many, so

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many things you know you wish you could do what you want to do,

30:22

and you get these people out there preaching about it. But it's sad.

30:26

If you don't know why, then you shouldn't say take it down. You

30:30

should know why before you do that. Your a little thoughtfulness. You've been

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My research question that we left at the last, the last segment was

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what percentage of folks who died in battle? Right? Were there because they

31:36

were drafted? Were there because the law, the law told them to be

31:41

there as opposed to volunteers. You might say, wow, if you're a

31:44

volunteer, you know that's on you. But apparently two thirds of the combat

31:52

vets in Vietnam were volunteers. Did you know that? I thought everyone was

31:57

drafted? Apparently not, and the numbers reflected that according to what I and

32:04

it was on the internet, so you can be sure it's true. Right,

32:07

who knows? But what they're saying is that that about a third of

32:10

the casualties, a third of the deaths, third of the families who were

32:15

celebrating Memorial Day for a loved one who died in Vietnam, A third of

32:20

them were drafted. So that means two thirds were volunteers. And they said

32:23

that that was about that was about the strength at that time. It gives

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you a I didn't I didn't know that. I thought there were a lot more, a lot more draftees, was my was my understanding. Again,

32:37

it's the internet, so who the heck knows? But again, you know,

32:40

the the point is, before you change the law, you should know

32:44

why you're changing it. You should know why the law was there in the first place. And so if we're going to have criminal trials of people,

32:52

if we're going to have civil trials of people, if we're going to have the government go after people, right, you should know why the safeguards were

33:00

put there in the first place. Before you remove the safeguards just because you

33:06

want a conviction, it just because you think somebody's somebody's bad. That's you

33:13

know, isn't that basic? Isn't that you know, Let's say you didn't

33:16

understand because everyone Let's say everyone wore seat belts, right, like, well,

33:22

geez, I don't need a seatbelt. I don't like seatbelts. Nobody

33:25

dies in car accidents anymore anyway, so why should I wear a seatbelt?

33:30

And then you stop wearing a seatbelt, Now you die in a crash. Whoops. Well, I guess there was a reason for it, right.

33:36

The fact that you don't understand what the reason was, or that it's inconvenient

33:39

for you because now you've got a bad person you want to get maybe maybe

33:45

you should take a little bit longer view on things. I'm just saying,

33:49

because you know I don't like the draft, Let's say, well, what

33:54

would be the consequence? Will be the consequence of that? You know,

33:58

why do we have a draft? Why did we have it? And we

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don't anymore? It's all volunteer now, okay, that which makes total sense,

34:06

right, But back in the day he needed a draft to fill out the throw out the rank. So yeah, you had one, that's why.

34:13

Because you know that I was listening to somebody this morning it's like,

34:15

oh, you know from a military family, and it's like, oh,

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I don't know if I should like the fact that you know that my parents,

34:25

my grandparents, my brothers and sisters were all you know, did military

34:30

service. I'm not so sure about that. It's like, really, really,

34:37

you're not so sure about that? Okay, fine, you know,

34:40

what are you gonna What do you do with people like that? You know?

34:45

Oh, I know, you make them preachers? That that's what you

34:49

do. That's what you do. You're making preachers because maybe they do less

34:53

harm there, who knows, I don't. I couldn't tell. I couldn't

34:58

tell. It seems like they do more harm in and that kind of that

35:00

kind of spot. But anyway, changes in the law, changes in the

35:06

rules. We're looking for some major changes in how the how the whole long

35:12

term care thing works. You get back to our get back to our topic

35:15

break because generally speaking, what we're more concerned about with my practice, you

35:20

know, if you want to get from the sublime to the ridiculous or to

35:23

the nitty gritty, I mean, what we're concerned about is making sure that

35:28

people don't go broke, right and the long term care the way long term

35:32

care works right now, you will go broke. That's the design of the

35:36

system, that's the intention. How can you tell what a you know,

35:40

how can you tell, here's a question for you. How can you tell

35:45

what the intent of a government program is? How can you tell what the

35:51

intent of the government program is? And the answer is you look to the

35:55

results. Especially if something has been going on year after year after year after

36:01

year, there is a reason for it. I maybe you made a mistake

36:08

the first time or I've ever done this. You make a mistake and then

36:12

you say, well, I didn't want to do that. So the next

36:15

time you're confronted with the situation, you do it differently, right, because

36:20

you didn't want that result. But if you have a system that year in

36:27

year out, time after time after time, it has the same result,

36:32

right, then you have to believe that that is the intention of it.

36:42

That's the point of it. So if you have a if you have a

36:47

system whereby middle class people right who worked and saved and did all the good

36:53

things are going broke every day. You know, it's eight thousand bucks a

37:00

month now in long term care and I'm not telling you know it's a very

37:04

nice place. You know. The one I'm thinking of five hundred and fifty

37:07

dollars a day is what is what they charge plus some extras you know,

37:10

get up to six hundred real easy, So eighteen eighteen thousand a month,

37:15

well, you know, let's call it seventeen thousand a month. I'm fine

37:17

with that. So the idea, you know, seventeen four So the idea,

37:24

you know, why are people going broke in long term care? Because

37:30

the system, what the system does, is what it's intended to do,

37:34

what it's supposed to do, right, don't believe if it doesn't act that

37:38

way. You know that's the intention of it. Okay, So if you

37:45

look at let's say, at a society, a given society, just just

37:49

pull one out of the area. They just make one up. Let's say

37:51

you had a governmental entity, a society, a population, right that hated

38:00

another ethnic group and they were close by to each other and all the rest

38:02

of it, right, And the government of this entity, political entity,

38:12

you know, kept preaching, you know, kept trying to kill the other

38:15

people and kill the other people and kill the other people, and got an

38:20

opportunity to do it, to kill the other people, and did it in

38:23

you know, through torture and rape and outright murder and unarmed people. Right.

38:30

And these guys had weapons and stuff, and they blew them up and

38:35

burned them to death and cut them to death, and you know, killed

38:37

parents in front of their children and stuff like that. Now would you say

38:43

that the system Is there a system that would produce that result by accident or

38:50

would that be the whole point of the of the system? Right? Not

38:53

that easy to get people to murder other people. Not that easy to get

38:57

them to chop up other people. I mean, you know, they did

39:00

that experiment where they encourage people to shock other people, and they would do

39:05

it. But that's because you know, they weren't in the same room, they weren't taking a knife to them. It was sort of you know,

39:12

scientific esoteric. But what if you had a system that wound up with mass

39:17

murder of other people? Wouldn't you say that that's kind of the point of

39:22

the system to get people to do that. Then what what do you do?

39:27

Do you say, Oh, well, that's just a system like every

39:30

other system. I guess it's okay. Does that become okay? I don't

39:36

know. Ask some IVY League college students. You might get a surprising you

39:40

might get a surprising answer. M Again, ignorance, consequences and identity and

39:47

all that. I've been listening to the David Carrier Show. I'm David Carrier,

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your family's personal attorney.