14:00

going. Yeah, I didn't know. I

14:02

had no idea. Let's go through

14:04

our guest stars. Guest stars. We

14:06

have Sally Elise Richardson as Fena

14:08

slash Nadel. Richard Kiley

14:10

as Gideon Satek. Co-star. Let me stop

14:12

you right there. Let me stop you

14:15

right there. Richard Kiley. Kiley. Okay. Oh

14:17

my god. You love him. Yes. He,

14:19

I didn't know he was in this

14:22

episode. Richard Kiley is most

14:24

known for Man of La Mancha. He was

14:26

the original Don Quixote in Man of La

14:28

Mancha. He sang the song

14:31

Impossible Dream that is iconic. Mm

14:33

hmm. And as a young musical

14:35

theater performer, I saw a

14:38

production of Man of La Mancha and became

14:40

obsessed with it and the fact that Richard

14:42

Kiley originated that role. It was

14:44

just such a huge inspiring creative

14:46

story. The Don Quixote story for

14:48

creative people is such

14:50

a powerful, you know,

14:53

lesson, I guess, in in following your

14:55

dreams and believing in your dreams in

14:58

spite of all the odds against you.

15:00

I just love Richard Kiley. I love

15:03

he was so wonderful in this episode

15:05

and what a history of

15:08

theater work, film and television work, a

15:10

legend. He's really amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I

15:12

have to say, well, getting to work

15:14

with him, I too was

15:16

a giant fan of his. Yeah. And

15:18

he was a joy.

15:20

Like that. Joy. And

15:22

you can see in

15:25

this episode how effortlessly

15:27

he plays this very

15:29

gregarious character. He's when

15:32

he has that moment where it

15:34

shifts and you

15:36

see who he really is. Yeah. Oh,

15:39

when he says she loves me and I

15:41

don't know why that moment. Oh,

15:44

yeah. And goes on to save

15:46

her life. And but but working

15:48

with him, he was

15:50

just spot on every time. He

15:53

was kind. He was fun to

15:55

be around. And, uh, gratefully,

15:58

I got to play. that I was as

16:00

tickled as I was to get to work

16:03

with him. Yeah, that's awesome. I

16:05

felt grateful for that because when I saw an

16:07

Anas character... Being

16:09

annoyed with him or irritated. Yeah,

16:11

that kind of er, be nicer

16:13

to older people. Yeah. And

16:15

you know what's funny is you could have cast...

16:17

There could have been another actor in that role

16:20

that leaned into the narcissism and the,

16:22

you know, the big ego and all.

16:25

And I would have agreed with Kira.

16:28

I would have been like, this guy's

16:30

annoying. But Richard Kylie is so charming.

16:32

Yes. Just exudes positivity. Like he was

16:34

having so much fun getting to do

16:37

this role and be on... I think

16:39

he was. I think he was too.

16:41

You could feel it. Yeah, because he's

16:44

starring in it. So that's... I

16:46

think it's really great when we

16:49

have actors with such

16:51

gravitas that get to come

16:53

on and do something that they're enjoying doing.

16:55

And they're so excited to have it be

16:58

about them. Let's talk

17:00

about Sally Elise Richardson.

17:03

She was in the dawn of

17:05

her career. This, I think D-Space 9 was

17:08

maybe her third or fourth

17:10

year into professional acting. So this was

17:12

very early in her career. She, like

17:14

you, Robbie, she ended

17:16

up sort of... She became a series

17:19

regular on Eureka, the show Eureka, which we

17:21

have friends on that show. And

17:24

it was there that they let her cut her

17:26

teeth and direct a couple of episodes. And so

17:28

she basically is the female version of you. She

17:30

stopped acting after that pretty much and

17:32

went on to start directing.

17:34

Now, so some of

17:37

her credits from directing include Chicago Med,

17:39

Luke Cage, Black Lightning, The Punisher, American

17:41

Gods, Altered Carbon. So she's done some

17:44

sci-fi stuff as well. She's received the

17:47

NAACP Image Award for Outstanding Directing in a

17:49

Drama Series for Luke Cage. She also won

17:51

a Black Reel Award for Outstanding Directing in

17:53

a Comedy Series for Black-ish.

17:55

So she, like Robbie, has turned

17:58

into a successful director. very,

18:00

very well rounded. Have you met

18:02

her? Have you bumped into her anywhere?

18:04

Or I have, I think, yes, I

18:07

have met her in some function or,

18:09

you know, crossing paths. Sure. Yes.

18:11

As in the directing side of things

18:13

for sure. Right. Right. Yeah. So good,

18:16

good, good on her. Definitely. And I

18:18

heard when one

18:20

time from a producer friend of mine that had

18:22

worked with her on Eureka, that

18:25

said she is just the

18:27

sweetest, loveliest person. Oh, don't

18:30

you love to hear those stories? Yeah.

18:32

She really was. And she, oh my

18:34

gosh, just

18:36

talk about the complete polar

18:39

opposite of the two characters she

18:41

played. Yeah. Oh my god. Because

18:43

when she was with Avery, she

18:45

was so dreamy. And like

18:48

you go, oh, how couldn't

18:50

he fall in love with

18:52

her? She's gorgeous. She's perfect.

18:55

And she kind and, you

18:57

know, that kindness and fun

18:59

to be around. It just

19:02

makes all the difference in the world

19:04

working with someone. Yeah, for sure. We

19:07

also have a costar, Mark Erickson. He

19:09

was on the shuttle, I think there

19:12

was a couple of guys that spoke

19:14

on the, like the captain of the

19:16

shuttle. That was probably, Pierce, Pierce is

19:19

the name. So I don't know. Okay.

19:21

Teleplay by Mark Garrett O'Connell.

19:23

Listen to this. Look at the spelling

19:25

of that, Robbie. I could change my

19:27

spelling of my name. It's G H

19:30

R E D Garrett. Garrett. Yeah. Mark.

19:32

But then you wouldn't be Garrett. You

19:35

wouldn't be my gawa. I mean,

19:37

you're Garrett, you're Garrett, then. Mark

19:39

Garrett O'Connell and,

19:42

and, uh, Steven, Ira, Steven Beres. Well, it's

19:44

so funny. My, my

19:47

iPhone auto corrected Ira from

19:49

Ira Steven bear to Aura. A U

19:51

R O R. We should call

19:53

him that if he's at a yoga retreat. Hey, Aura,

19:55

come, come here. I don't think he's coming to a

19:58

yoga retreat. you're

22:00

reading it. I correct people now. I know you do.

22:02

And then I, according

22:04

to both Garrett Wong and Robert

22:06

Picardo, Singer had an unusual method of

22:09

directing while filming episodes of Star

22:11

Trek Voyager. After, after

22:13

a take was over, instead of verbally

22:15

talking out loud to the cast about

22:17

what they did wrong in the scene,

22:19

he would make a strange facial expression

22:21

at them. It was his

22:23

way of telling them they were being too

22:25

expressive during a scene. This is a story

22:28

from Bob Picardo. Like he would make a

22:30

face at Bob, but he, he would not

22:32

make the face of me. He's actually said

22:34

cut and he would walk up. He walked up

22:36

to me and said, Garrett, I

22:38

don't know what you're doing, but for some reason

22:40

you're clenching your jaw, you're cleansing your jaw. And

22:43

I'm like, what is you don't need to cleanse

22:45

your jaw. Stop it. And so he told me,

22:47

he literally was just like, look kid, I don't

22:49

know. You know, you're, you're

22:53

thinking you're more masculine by clenching your jaw.

22:55

Very straightforward. There's no

22:57

way to take offense to that. You just go,

22:59

Oh, you

23:01

know, you know what else Alex Singer

23:03

did that I loved and I still

23:06

try to do, although it's different these

23:08

days as a director, but Alex would

23:10

not watch from the monitors. He would

23:13

sit right next to the lens, whatever

23:15

the main, I love that.

23:17

I forgot about that with you.

23:19

It's like you're right there with

23:21

us. Yeah. Watching a conductor, you're

23:24

hanging on. He's five feet away from you when

23:26

you're working, you know, he was, you knew he

23:28

was there and so you felt supported

23:31

and you felt more like a collaborator

23:33

as opposed to someone directing and telling

23:35

you what to do. Judging you from

23:37

afar. We're all in. Yeah. We're all

23:39

in together. And maybe you'll do that

23:41

now, Robbie. Well, you'll walk, you'll get

23:43

close to it. It's a little harder

23:45

because now these monitors and the village,

23:47

you know, it's, everything

23:49

is there, but I will often, I get

23:52

small monitors brought in by set. So I

23:54

keep those close to camera so that I'm

23:57

not next to the lens, but I'm, you

23:59

know, six, eight, feet away as close as

24:01

I can be. Yeah. Right. That's

24:03

a great idea. Without being distracting. Without

24:05

being distracting. But you don't have that

24:08

kind of personality either. There's some people

24:10

that feel to their energy so intense

24:12

that it's better that they're the monitors.

24:15

Also, I do a lot of comedy. I've done

24:17

a lot of comedy. And I

24:19

know actors like

24:23

hearing the feedback of laughter. And

24:25

so I will be near the camera.

24:27

I'll move those little monitors. Like Alex

24:29

Singer did for us. I'll

24:31

get close. And then in rehearsal and things

24:34

like that, or even sometimes during the first

24:36

take, I'll let myself laugh out loud if

24:38

I feel it. Because I don't want to

24:40

edit myself to be quiet so that I

24:43

don't care. I'd rather them feel

24:46

like, oh, I'm so funny. He can't help

24:48

but laugh. Which is true. I don't do

24:50

a fake laugh. But I want them to

24:52

know. No. And during rehearsal, then you also

24:55

as an actor know when the laugh, well,

24:57

whether it's working. Yes. But

25:00

it also helps you. Just to kind of

25:02

mark it and know. Yeah. Like, OK, yes,

25:05

that's funny. And it helps you

25:07

focus in a different way. I

25:10

think maybe it helps you relax. Yeah.

25:13

It's like, oh, OK, it is out loud funny. Because

25:15

some things don't read funny. And then

25:17

they're hilarious when you're doing them. It's

25:19

amazing. Let me jump into this

25:21

episode with you two. Let's jump right into

25:24

the very first scene in Cisco's Quarters. And

25:26

this is a blog where Cisco talks about

25:29

how he realizes why he's been not having

25:32

really good sleep

25:34

recently. It's because this is, well, the day

25:36

before was the fourth

25:38

anniversary of the death of his wife, Jen, Jennifer,

25:42

during the masquerade Wolf 359 versus

25:44

the Borg. So

25:47

this was a, you know, this is definitely emotional time

25:51

for him. He's playing chess.

25:54

Is he playing it? He's looking at it. Yes.

25:58

Maybe. I

26:00

think he makes a very important

26:02

point that and that

26:04

I think a lot of people going

26:06

through bereavement and It

26:11

is probably very difficult the first time

26:14

you almost miss an anniversary of their

26:16

passing and when he expresses that my

26:18

heart I've Been

26:20

in situations with people that have expressed like

26:22

oh my gosh. I just I nearly forgot

26:25

it and it's Yeah,

26:27

yeah Yeah, yeah,

26:29

it's just I feel guilty about

26:31

it. Yeah this whole scene to

26:33

me. So Jake comes in

26:37

He can't sleep either. We realize, you

26:39

know, he's having a bad dream We realize

26:41

it's because of this anniversary, but I thought

26:43

they played this beautifully I

26:45

did really love this first scene. Serac was so

26:48

good in it and Then

26:50

at the end of that scene when he says

26:52

dad, I love you I started

26:55

thinking about all the times that

26:57

we hear that spoken on Voyager, which is very

26:59

rare Definitely was in the first couple of seasons

27:01

Robbie. Did anyone say I love you to anyone

27:03

else on our show? I don't think so when

27:05

did you ever say I love you even to your wife Yes,

27:09

yes, but season five or season

27:11

five again Yeah,

27:13

yeah, well and you know what to Avery

27:15

was such Father

27:18

figure to him is what you're doing Well,

27:20

yeah, he championed that and and I think

27:22

also more importantly because of the stereotype of

27:25

a black man being a father Yeah, I

27:27

think it was really important I know it was

27:30

Paramount of importance to him to show

27:32

a very healthy Relationship between

27:35

a father and a son and he

27:37

and he took that further by mentoring

27:39

Serac in real life and that was

27:41

really important when you're a good father

27:43

I suppose all of us can relate

27:45

to this you want to help change

27:48

The landscape change the point of view

27:51

see that not all all it's not

27:53

all it's a stereotype for a reason

27:55

But there are a lot of dads

27:58

that are great dads that don't get

28:00

credit Yeah, we talked to Serac about

28:02

this a little bit in a bonus

28:04

interview. So for Patreon subscribers, you've seen,

28:07

you know, Serac talk about this. If you're not a Patreon

28:09

subscriber, check it out. But we

28:12

had a great conversation with Serac about

28:14

his relationship with Avery and how important

28:16

that was to him at that time

28:19

because of what was going on for Serac. Yeah,

28:22

it's a great interview. So

28:26

basically he talks about the dream that

28:28

he had and, you know, that he

28:30

can't find his dad and he's looking

28:32

everywhere. And basically this is a dream

28:36

that he has because of the loss of

28:38

his mother. It has to be attached to

28:40

that. They express how Jake

28:42

says he loves his dad, Cisco says, I love you too. And

28:45

then he says that he misses his mom. And

28:48

then Cisco says, yeah, me too. And that

28:50

brings us to the end of that scene.

28:53

Yeah. Really heartfelt scene. I

28:56

love that scene. I thought their performances and

28:58

the writing were wonderful.

29:01

So yeah. We

29:03

go to the promenade on the upper

29:05

level next Cisco's there. Feels like

29:08

it's still at night. Isn't

29:11

it a continuation pretty much of after he speaks

29:13

with his son in a way? I felt like

29:15

he got up and left and started walking. But

29:17

we never see Don because we don't have the

29:19

son. But everything on the promenade

29:22

is. Very few people there. Right. And

29:24

he couldn't sleep. So we imagine that

29:26

he just went from Jake going back

29:28

to bed. To take a walk. Looking

29:31

at the stars and then this mysterious

29:33

woman suddenly appears. Sally

29:36

Richardson. And

29:38

they end up walking and talking. She's

29:41

very flirty with him and he's very

29:43

interested in her. And

29:46

in fact, did you notice in the beginning

29:48

of the scene when she first steps forward

29:51

and she says, She says, beautiful,

29:53

aren't they talking about the stars? I don't think I've

29:55

ever seen the stars shine so brightly. And

29:57

then Cisco looks out at the stars and while he's talking. There's

32:00

a character named Antonia that wears that and

32:02

on Voyager Robbie that wardrobe was used on

32:04

our show who well Blackman

32:07

Yeah, what leosa is the character this

32:09

was the barkley's uh girlfriend seducer woman

32:12

in that one episode inside voyager episode

32:14

inside man She had it on. Okay,

32:16

so she was like so now that's

32:18

it's been around it's been around I

32:20

even wore it to a wrap party

32:22

Oh My

32:27

god Gorgeous

32:29

gorgeous design. Thanks Robbie. I cannot get

32:32

that image out of my head now

32:34

you in that red dress right now

32:36

It's disturbing. You're welcome. Okay. Thanks We

32:40

go to ops next o'brien is down working in

32:42

the pit. I gotta say I love

32:44

the angle from the pit We've seen it

32:46

only a couple of times so far, but

32:49

I love when miles is down there Cisco

32:51

comes in cisco's very chipper Considering

32:53

he didn't sleep all night. I thought he

32:55

was very chipper, but it must be the

32:58

love. Yeah. Yeah We know what puts the

33:00

pin that's way Miles

33:06

is kind of grumpy, but cisco, you

33:08

know spins it in a positive way. He's like,

33:11

oh, come on You know, you love having things

33:13

to fix. Yeah cisco's very very Chipper,

33:16

uh, he goes to get some charalton tea

33:18

from the replicator and then kira seems very

33:20

annoyed by this There's like

33:22

why what's with her this episode? He's gross.

33:25

Definitely gotta buck up her ass No,

33:29

he always drinks ractogino why would we why is

33:31

tea today? Why is she mad at him about

33:33

it? Yeah, that's did you

33:36

guys read mad about yes, definitely

33:38

annoyed like like yes It

33:40

just wasn't it wasn't generous. Well, then you

33:42

two see it that way. I saw it

33:44

as she was confused It was confusion. I'm

33:46

gonna go with that. I'm not gonna boo

33:49

boo her She's good, but

33:51

but yeah confusion would have led

33:53

to like curiosity like oh, that's that's what I

33:55

thought it was I thought it was like She

33:58

was mad. Wow Oh, you guys, I'm

34:00

sorry. I'm gonna, can we agree to disagree?

34:02

I don't agree with you guys on

34:04

that one. We're gonna get you on board, Gala.

34:08

All right. But

34:10

for now, I'm gonna say that I do. If

34:12

someone came at me like that, I would be like, why

34:14

are you offended? I didn't know what

34:16

you expected. Yeah. That

34:20

was a lot of fun. Do you have some feelings? Do you have

34:22

something going on in your life you wanna talk about? Yeah, I don't

34:24

really see, like, what do you give a shit? Just drinking charalton tea.

34:27

Okay. Yeah. She

34:30

says he always drinks Ractogeno. Why something

34:32

else? She's, in my opinion,

34:34

mad about it. He says he just

34:36

wanted to try something a little different.

34:39

Ask if she approves. Do you approve? Kira, is that

34:41

okay with you? Then

34:44

Dax calls and says,

34:47

professor Sayatek. Sayatek,

34:49

yeah, Sayatek. Sayatek. Sayatek,

34:51

yeah. Sayatek is in the science lab

34:53

and invites Cisco to come down and

34:56

meet him. And that's where

34:58

we end on ops. Yeah.

35:00

Okay, so we're in the science lab next.

35:03

Cisco arrives and Dax fills him in that

35:05

this professor is here, but

35:07

he's in the flux generator, which

35:10

I guess is a room off of this

35:12

science lab. I didn't recognize this science lab. It

35:14

felt new to me, but I don't know

35:16

if it is. Maybe. Well,

35:18

it's always a swing set. No, it is. So,

35:20

yeah, it wasn't a permanent set. I wished

35:23

it was because I always liked being

35:25

in the science lab. Oh, it's a great set. My favorite

35:27

thing, right? Yeah. But this

35:29

one was particularly beautiful because it

35:31

was bigger. And then that flux, that

35:33

thing was big. I mean, I'm sure it

35:35

wasn't on the other side, but the opening

35:37

that we see is huge. Yeah, we've never seen

35:39

it before. This is the first time, right? The

35:42

flux generator. Okay, it felt almost like a, yeah.

35:45

It felt like a warp core or something. It

35:47

felt a little bit like a warp core. Well,

35:49

this flux capacitor, sorry. No,

35:52

that's back to the future. This

35:54

flux generator, the flux generator. It's

35:56

easy to go there. Yeah. It's

35:59

flashing. And we see Seyatec

36:01

is in there and he's got

36:03

like this hood on this uniform, like this

36:05

outfit. It looks like kind of like a

36:07

welder's outfit or like a nuclear

36:10

power plant. Kind of what was it?

36:13

A fancy beekeeper. Yes. Or a

36:15

fancy beekeeper. Fancy beekeeper. Yeah.

36:18

But Dax Dax fills the audience

36:20

in as she talks to Cisco

36:22

that that we now know he's

36:24

a terraformer. Right. And

36:28

Dax also says humility and common sense are

36:30

not what they do. So we're starting to

36:32

get a sense of who this

36:34

guy is, that he's a bit of a he's

36:37

got a big ego. But Cisco, Cisco knows

36:39

exactly who he is. Cisco is a fan of

36:41

his work, basically. He says, I'm a great admirer

36:44

of your work. And they start talking about Cisco's.

36:46

I was talking about how he and Jake visited

36:48

Blue Horizon on the way to D space nine.

36:51

And initially I thought, what? And I started

36:53

looking it up and I thought, oh, it's

36:55

not Jeff Bezos is because

36:58

his is Blue Origin. Right. So it's

37:00

not. And I really think this was

37:02

filmed before. But that's the thing. I

37:04

thought that maybe that that Jeff Bezos

37:06

being a Star Trek fan took the

37:08

name from this episode of DS9 and

37:10

named his rocket that. But I realize

37:12

it's not Horizon. It's it's, you know,

37:14

Blue Origin. So that was my

37:16

my me up. Yes. But

37:19

yes, this is also the scene

37:21

where we are introduced to Richard

37:23

Kylie, the actor. I was thrilled

37:25

to see him on screen. And

37:29

we enjoy. Oh, he's just

37:31

exudes joy. He doesn't. Yeah.

37:34

Oh, I loved him. So Blue Horizon

37:37

is clearly one of his terraforming projects

37:39

that, you know, you know,

37:41

came off. Everything about it was amazing.

37:43

People loved it. And say

37:45

it talks about. He says

37:47

to Cisco, he goes, how did you

37:49

like DaVinci Falls? And I started thinking,

37:51

oh, look at this, this foreshadowing, because

37:53

later we see Leonardo DaVinci on Voyager.

37:56

So it's almost like this is like

37:58

the seeds of throwing in. I'm going

38:00

to start watching your show. I know.

38:03

I do another podcast where we watch. We have.

38:07

We watch. We watch Terry

38:09

watching our show. So. Okay. I'll

38:12

send you reaction shots. Your reactions. No, no, no. We'll

38:14

be there in the room with you. So we'll be

38:16

in a chair with popcorn, watching you. And then you'll

38:18

be watching the screen. You know, I love these fantasies,

38:21

but I need some of them to come true. We

38:23

will. We will. I want

38:25

to hang out with you guys. This podcast. Will

38:29

be called Terry watches Voyager. And. And

38:32

we will review Terry watching. We

38:35

won't talk about the show. We'll talk about Terry

38:37

watching. All the

38:39

expressions. We're just going to talk about

38:41

you. Anyway, we do learn that he's

38:43

going to reignite a dead son. And

38:46

we'll be there. We'll be there. We'll be there.

38:49

We'll be there. We'll be there. We'll be

38:51

there. We'll be there. And

38:54

when he reignites

38:56

a dead son. This. I

38:59

forgot. It's called it. Epsilon

39:02

one, one, nine, Epsilon one, one, nine. The dead son is what

39:04

it is. That's how

39:06

he's going to reignite it. And it's just to think

39:08

that someone could actually do something like that

39:11

is absolutely incredible from a science. Science

39:13

aspect. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

39:16

he says if I reignite the sun, it's going to bring to life, not

39:19

just one planet. It's going to terraform an

39:21

entire solar system. Yeah. So

39:23

this will be like his crowning achievement. Yeah. The

39:26

biggest thing he's ever done. Right. But it's

39:28

in theory, no one's ever done this before. So we don't know. I

39:31

like how he says, you know, Dax is still

39:33

a little skeptical. It's not going to work. And

39:35

he's, he's very confident. He said he's only failed

39:37

once and he didn't like the way it felt.

39:39

I love that moment. Wasn't that great?

39:42

It was great. Oh my God.

39:44

It was hilarious. Great scene.

39:46

Lots of fun. Uh, to watch

39:48

you guys do it. Do you remember anything about doing this

39:50

scene? Is there anything you remember about

39:52

it? I

39:55

felt like when it first started, I thought it

39:57

was just first start watching the episode. Oh

40:00

my gosh, I don't remember this episode

40:03

when he came on though when I saw

40:05

Richard Kylie I was like, I remember loving

40:07

doing this episode But

40:09

I it's weird this memory thing

40:12

because it's like I don't remember being

40:14

in the room doing it It's

40:17

funny that way. No, but I remember

40:20

Enjoying working with him and enjoying meeting Sally

40:23

because I didn't really I mean we had

40:25

little scenes but with a

40:27

lot of people so I didn't have moments with

40:29

her but that it

40:31

was a fun episode to do and it probably also

40:34

was in large part because of Alex

40:37

yeah, yeah And

40:39

I loved having so much to do with Avery.

40:42

Yeah, I liked working with them Did

40:44

you try on the beekeeper hat? Did you get to

40:46

put that? Oh heck no, it ruined my hair I

40:48

would never do that to hair and makeup You

40:53

even do that hair would have tackled you

40:55

like I Write

40:57

and I'm Rhonda responsible. I'm like

41:00

with hair and makeup wardrobe. I'm like super

41:02

careful. I am Someone

41:05

else Terry

41:08

Farrell has invented a new term ladies

41:10

and gentlemen Rhonda Responsible

41:14

my When

41:17

you mentioned like not remembering the plot of

41:19

the episode but you remember how you felt

41:21

working with a guest star There's

41:23

one episode when we were doing Voyager with

41:26

Willie Garson that I had so

41:28

much fun Doing that

41:30

episode with Willie you knew him beforehand though

41:34

Met we had done a play reading at

41:36

the 52nd Street project in New York many

41:38

years ago Right we had sort of crossed

41:40

paths But we knew a lot of the

41:42

same people and Willie Garson and

41:44

I we laughed with so much fun But when

41:46

I rewatched the episode, I'm like, I

41:49

don't know what happens in this episode, but I remember

41:51

doing it The

41:53

fun that I had yeah, yeah, I

41:56

had one like that on Becker huge

41:59

fan of even right. He comes on and

42:01

does a guest star. We

42:03

were the most unlikely, you know,

42:06

like a kind of class like, yeah, but

42:08

we got each other and we

42:10

just and it made everybody else

42:13

hysterical like, wow, those two are

42:15

having lunch. What? But

42:17

I just I just thought he was a

42:19

really cool. You still talk to him? So no,

42:22

I mean, we had a great time on the set.

42:24

But darn, you know, I

42:26

know folks so funny. He's

42:28

so fun, right? I used to

42:30

sometimes quirky Terry, I talk about him on

42:33

a regular basis, because my first agent when

42:35

I booked Voyager, yes, is the

42:37

is the Stephen Wright of agents. He

42:39

has the same dry ass delivery just

42:41

like that's so funny. So I always

42:43

talk about Stephen. I love Stephen Wright.

42:46

His comedy albums are amazing because they're

42:48

literally just one line jokes. Yeah, it's

42:50

like, it's not a like,

42:52

not a normal comedy. No, it's like him.

42:55

Nobody else can do that. No, it's like Ethan

42:57

Phillips, Ethan Phillips sort of does one line jokes

42:59

as well, right? Yeah. Yeah. I

43:01

used to play sometimes I used to play

43:03

music when I was directing. While we were

43:06

lighting, I put on like

43:08

music to set a tone for the scene. Speaker.

43:10

Yeah, it was good. Oh, I love that.

43:12

That's a nice touch, Robbie. It was

43:14

fun. But sometimes I would put on

43:16

Stephen Wright comedy, because they were such

43:19

quick little jokes. And if

43:21

it were working on a comedy and stuff,

43:23

just to keep people laughing, I play Stephen

43:25

Wright comedy, as we were lighting the scene.

43:27

It was so smart. Smart Robbie is, you

43:29

know, there's set the tone of music stations

43:31

with that. Jeff

43:34

Foxworthy and somebody else.

43:36

There's two comedy

43:38

stations that I have. I

43:40

have CNN, MSNBC, the two comedy

43:43

stations, because after I listened to the

43:45

news a little bit, then I put

43:47

on the comedy. Yeah, because I

43:49

like watching dark stuff. But that

43:52

can really affect you if you're only watching dark

43:54

movies and stuff like that. So those comedy

43:57

stations really, and I have

43:59

seen I've seen people look over at me

44:01

and start laughing because I'm laughing. Because you're laughing in the

44:03

car. That's

44:06

amazing. It's contagious. It

44:08

is. And it's a good thing. It

44:10

is a good thing. All right. We go

44:13

to Quark's cafe next. Dax

44:15

is there eating with Cisco. She's

44:18

talking about getting ready to leave. And

44:20

basically Cisco is just not paying

44:22

attention. Cisco is daydreaming. He's completely

44:24

daydreaming. He is with Fena as

44:27

in this entire meal. He's

44:30

with Fena. He's not with Dax.

44:32

And Dax notices this. Dax

44:34

knows for sure. Are you looking for someone?

44:39

Yeah. Yeah. Because don't forget

44:41

too, I have Curzon

44:44

in me. Yes. Right.

44:46

So Curzon was... Is

44:48

curious too. Is Cisco's

44:51

mentor. She

44:54

knows him. He, yes. I

44:57

only know him. He knows. I know him in

44:59

that way because of Curzon. Yep.

45:02

Well, Dax realizes Dax

45:05

Curzon all of her

45:07

hosts together. Totally

45:11

know what's going on with Cisco. And

45:14

so Dax heads out to help O'Brien boost,

45:16

say it takes maximum speed. They're

45:18

going to have to be prepared

45:20

to get away from this sun if

45:22

they do reignite it. So Dax leaves and

45:25

then we go back to the promenade where

45:27

he was looking at the stars, where he

45:29

met Fena. He goes back to

45:31

the same window and Fena

45:33

reappears. She's magically

45:35

there. Magically there. Yeah. And

45:38

she apologizes for disappearing. She

45:41

says she wants a tour. And so

45:43

they walk off arm in arm. So clearly

45:45

they're, they're getting along. It's weird because she

45:48

says, she didn't say disappear. She says,

45:50

I'm sorry. I left so quickly.

45:52

Yeah. And it was like

45:54

left. You disappeared. Yeah. Yes. Right.

45:59

But he's. infactuated by her. At this

46:01

point, he doesn't care. He just wants

46:03

to be near her. Yeah.

46:06

And she wants the tour. So they go

46:08

up to some upper pylon, the upper pylon

46:10

viewing area, where you can

46:12

look down and see. And it was

46:14

a beautiful angle when they got to

46:16

that 50-50 shot. And

46:19

by the way, I want to say Alex Singer did

46:21

a great job of this episode. He really

46:23

did. What did you like about it? I

46:25

just like the subtlety. I know

46:27

Alex, I remember he

46:29

would not force blocking. He'd let the actors

46:32

kind of do things and

46:34

he'd fit his plan into that. So I

46:36

know that he was reacting to

46:38

what the actors did. You could sense it

46:40

because the way the camera moved and adjusted,

46:42

it was actors bringing the

46:45

scene to life and he was just kind of following

46:47

it in such an elegant way. And how smart

46:49

to let that inform him? Yeah. I

46:51

mean, it's a really good way of looking at

46:53

everything instead of making your job hard harder. Watch

46:57

how it unfolds and speak

47:00

to what's organically happening. Yeah. And

47:02

he did that beautifully. It felt

47:04

very organic and elegant.

47:06

And yeah, it was just really

47:09

good. Yeah. It never took you out. There weren't shots

47:11

where you went, oh, what are they doing here? Yeah.

47:14

Well, it's another very flirty scene looking

47:16

down onto the entire

47:18

station. And he

47:20

compliments her, says, you know, you always know exactly

47:23

the right thing to say. And then he asks

47:25

about her, tell me about yourself. But

47:27

she's getting comfortable here. She says, I

47:30

can't tell you. And then she kind of

47:33

turns to run. She runs to a

47:35

lift and that dress is kind of

47:37

blowing back. She runs to the lift.

47:39

Gorgeous. Very dramatic. Oh, I loved

47:42

it. And then she spun around and it kind of moved. Yeah.

47:45

Moved with her and you see her looking at him. Oh, Blackbird

47:47

must have been like, yes, yes. You

47:51

go girl. Yeah. That is the

47:54

side of the second. You go girl. That's the

47:56

way I want that dress to flow. Yes. That's

47:58

exactly what happened. It looked good. Very

48:00

dramatic ending as she gets in the left and the

48:02

door is shut. You know, and

48:04

Cisco's just yearning for

48:06

her there. It was great. Very dramatic

48:08

moment. Now we're in Cisco's quarters and

48:11

it's food time again. This whole episode

48:13

is about eating and not paying attention to what's

48:15

going on around here. So

48:17

yes, he's eating with his son, Jake. And

48:20

Jake's telling this story about a

48:22

friend barfing basically from Klingon worms.

48:25

And, and it's so funny because I don't

48:28

think a word of it even makes

48:30

it into Benjamin Cisco's head.

48:33

He doesn't hear anything. All he

48:35

hears and can think of is

48:37

Fena and more Fena. But

48:40

the look that I mean,

48:42

the looks that you see on, on Sorak's

48:44

face. How did you read that final look

48:46

at the very end? He

48:49

almost looked pissed. Like he just gave this

48:51

or can super confused. He

48:53

gave this really weird look at his dad.

48:55

I wanted it directed differently because he did,

48:57

he did two double takes. It was like,

48:59

and it was just one

49:01

was enough. One was enough.

49:04

Yeah. And two made it look

49:06

like he wasn't a good actor and he is. So

49:08

I think as a director, I would have, I

49:11

don't think there's a way to cut fast enough

49:13

without it. Could they have

49:15

been cut and it couldn't have been edited out at

49:17

that point. You could have edited that second. Yeah, it was

49:19

a double double cut out. Yeah, you could have. I

49:21

think that's a good point. I think that's a good point.

49:23

I agree with you. I agree with you. And

49:26

I, but I think this, but, but an edit would have been fine. I

49:28

don't. I think that it would have been better. Also

49:31

sometimes when I, this is terrible to

49:33

say, but I didn't really believe Avery

49:35

was fantasizing. I

49:37

agree. Okay. This

49:40

is where, this is where I started losing this

49:42

episode, to be honest. In this scene and this

49:44

particular. Time of the episode. Right.

49:48

I wasn't invested in his, I didn't

49:50

believe that he. He

49:52

really loved this woman. There was like that. You know,

49:54

Jake starts saying, oh, you're in love. And I was

49:57

like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Pump the

49:59

brakes. We haven't done that. Right.

50:01

Yeah. Yes. And he says, but

50:03

you're showing three signs of love.

50:05

It's a daydreaming loss of appetite,

50:07

smiling all the time. How

50:09

could he be in love when he's literally talked to

50:11

this woman for 30 seconds? Yeah.

50:13

Like it just didn't make any sense to

50:16

me. It's puppy love. It's that initial sort

50:18

of excitement attraction. It's not. Also

50:20

in how he was daydreaming when

50:23

he had food with me and when

50:25

he's having food with Jake did not

50:28

look like in love daydreaming. He just

50:30

looked preoccupied. Yes. And I think

50:32

it should have looked more. I think there

50:34

should have been more lightness around it. Yeah. And

50:38

I just I didn't believe that he was

50:40

lost and thought about her. I didn't. I

50:43

hate saying that because I really I

50:45

really love and admire Avery. But that just

50:47

bothered me. It bothered me too, because I

50:49

thought it was a different story. I kept

50:51

thinking, why did they have the

50:54

first scene about his his dead wife? If

50:56

it's not going to have anything to do with this. So I

50:58

kept thinking, oh, his look is

51:01

really weird and heavy. Yeah,

51:03

because it's really about he's being

51:05

haunted by some version spirit of

51:07

his ex-wife that looks different. I

51:10

kept looking for a more complicated story

51:12

because it was played. Confusing

51:15

to me. OK, so can I throw this

51:17

out there? Was it played heavy because as

51:19

an actor, he was thinking, am

51:22

I feeling guilty for having these thoughts about

51:24

another woman right now? Am I being a

51:26

great story? They should have written that story.

51:29

OK, I would have preferred that story. Well,

51:31

I thought maybe that's what Avery was working

51:33

on. And that's what he brought to the

51:35

table was like, look, this is not right

51:37

for Jennifer, this doesn't do her memory justice.

51:39

How dare I have feelings for this other

51:41

woman? Just having some guilt all the way

51:43

around all around. And I thought maybe that's

51:45

the heaviness he was playing, though. Then you

51:47

have to speak to it. Then you have

51:49

to speak to it. It's but it's not

51:52

too short. 42

51:54

minutes is too short for us to

51:56

make that grand assumption. Yes, because we're

51:58

focused on this beautiful. girl

52:00

or woman that we

52:03

are really, because of the first scene,

52:05

really happy for him, that

52:08

he's finally had some feelings. But

52:11

that also should be something

52:14

that we're feeling when he's lost in thought.

52:16

For people to think that he's in love

52:18

with somebody, I just think

52:20

you come off happier and less

52:23

kind of concerned. It's not

52:25

that he... It seemed

52:27

haunted to me. It seemed haunted, the

52:29

look. It was like... It didn't seem

52:31

joyful. And

52:34

like, ooh, I'm filled with anticipation

52:38

and I'm intoxicated by

52:40

this woman. That's not

52:42

how it felt while he was playing with his old man. It

52:44

also felt like perfunctory, not

52:48

genuine. Yeah. Yeah.

52:50

And maybe he had stuff going on in his

52:52

personal life. We don't know how that was played.

52:55

Just this episode to me started falling apart here and

52:57

we'll get into the rings and things

52:59

like that. But I just was like, oh, even

53:02

though there's individual things, Richard Kylie's phenomenal,

53:05

Sally's amazing. There's great

53:07

moments for... I was terrific. Dax

53:10

was another phenomenal,

53:12

terrible episode. But

53:15

it's just individually, there's moments and pieces.

53:18

But as an episode, it to

53:20

me started going downhill here and

53:22

continued to go downhill, in my

53:24

opinion. And here we go. Benjamin

53:27

Sisko does admit though to Jake

53:29

that he is in love, basically.

53:32

Jake wants to meet her. And Sisko says

53:34

she keeps disappearing and that's where we

53:37

get that funny look from Siroc. That

53:39

weird double take. He is so obsessed. He

53:41

is so obsessed with Fena that the next

53:43

scene, he's now in Odo's office and

53:45

asking Odo for a personal favor. Odo's like, well,

53:48

what do you need? And he's like, well, I

53:50

need to find somebody. And Odo's

53:53

like, okay, well, what do you have? He's like,

53:55

Fena, first name or last. I have no clue.

53:57

He doesn't even know what species she is. know

54:00

anything. So all this stuff, all

54:02

the information he's giving to Odo, it's just

54:04

very uninformative.

54:07

It's the best way to put it. Her name's

54:09

Fena. I don't know her last name. I don't

54:11

know where she's from. I don't know where she's

54:13

from. She wears red. She's

54:15

wearing red. The way he said it.

54:18

Wow. That was hot. But

54:25

see, that's another indication where it's like, well

54:27

then why wasn't that in

54:29

there when he was playing with his

54:32

food in both scenes? Because

54:35

it was inconsistent. I

54:37

don't know. It just felt inconsistent to

54:39

me. But I loved how he said

54:41

red. It was just so magnetic. He

54:43

started to say, he said, she's wearing,

54:46

and then it's like this light bulb.

54:48

Yeah. She's wearing red. I

54:54

just wanted to feel that. I felt

54:56

him saying red. It wasn't just the

54:58

color. It was like, red is a

55:01

feeling. Not just

55:03

the color. Yes. I

55:05

did like Renee's sort of,

55:07

okay, well, I don't

55:09

have much to go on, but I'll try. I'll do what

55:11

I can. I think Cisco's

55:13

very appreciative. And then Renee, after Cisco

55:15

leaves, Renee was like, He

55:18

eye rolled her. He eye rolled Cisco, didn't

55:20

he? He was like, oh my God. I

55:24

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Easier said. Done. We go

56:55

to OpsNex. Dax intercepts

56:58

Cisco, who's coming in, asked to talk to him for

57:00

a minute. They go inside the commander's

57:02

office. And Dax wants to

57:04

know who this woman is, that she

57:06

saw them on the promenade last night. I love

57:09

this scene, Terry, because you play it

57:11

like, like, Curzon.

57:15

You're playing it like a

57:17

dude. Like, physicality. Thank you.

57:19

It was so good. Terry,

57:23

you can play it dude well.

57:25

Thank you. You're so versatile. It

57:27

doesn't matter what gender it is.

57:29

Terry Farrell will play it dead.

57:31

It was like a guy's in

57:33

the locker room. It was that

57:35

kind of boss. You know, and

57:37

Cisco's got his baseball. He's tossing

57:39

it to Dax at the end of the

57:41

scene. It was just really well

57:43

done. How happy was I when I caught

57:45

the baseball without looking at it? Oh, good

57:47

job. In a closeup. And then I tossed

57:50

it and still caught it. That

57:52

was the only stress of that entire episode.

57:56

I love when Dax

57:58

says, It's because

58:00

I'm a woman now, isn't it? And Sisko's laugh,

58:02

Avery Brooks laugh right there. He says, his line

58:05

is, it doesn't even say, you know, his line

58:07

is, don't be ridiculous. And I'm sure there was

58:09

no other instruction in the script saying, you must

58:11

laugh here. No, but we both just laughed. We

58:14

know, yeah. And it was just this great laugh

58:16

between both of you. Thank you.

58:19

Okay. Well, that's what's fun about working

58:21

with him. You never know how he's gonna play

58:24

it or how he's gonna say it. Well, and you have to

58:26

be loose. Yeah, you do. Loosey goosey,

58:28

go with the flow. Yeah,

58:30

it goes both ways. Yes. I

58:32

mean, Dax is really, really insistent upon getting

58:34

information. And Sisko's just saying, look, as soon

58:36

as I know, as soon as there's something

58:39

to talk about, I'll let you know. And

58:41

there you go. The guy bonding scene

58:43

between Dax and Sisko. Yes,

58:46

I love that part of it. Or Curzon, Dax and

58:48

Sisko. I love that part of it. Sisko

58:51

says, Odo's continuing to search for new information

58:54

about Fena. In the meantime, Seyatic has invited

58:56

me and the senior staff to

58:58

dinner onboard his ship, the Prometheus. Yes.

59:00

So we go inside Seyatic's quarters. It's

59:03

a crew dinner. It's like a wrap

59:05

party. Felt like a wrap party. The

59:08

whole cast. Everybody's there. Yeah, that ship was cool

59:11

though, huh? It was a nice ship. It was

59:13

a nice ship. Very cool ship. Yeah,

59:15

but we have everyone here, right? We've

59:18

got Dax, we've got Kira, we've got

59:20

Bashir, we've got O'Brien, we've got Sisko.

59:22

Everyone's there with the whole gang. Everybody's

59:24

there, crew dinner. And Seyatic is a

59:26

talker, basically. He's a storyteller. Bashir's

59:29

kind of into it. Bashir asks, how

59:32

are you gonna reignite the sun? And

59:35

Seyatic goes into all the explanation.

59:38

He's gonna have a remote shuttle, deliver this

59:40

protomatter. It's gonna reignite the star. They

59:43

talk about his memoir, and Seyatic

59:45

says all nine volumes of his

59:48

memoir. I love that. It

59:50

was very funny. What did he say

59:52

about his wives? He said

59:55

I wanted to have a volume for each wife or

59:57

something like that. Something like that. To match my wife.

1:00:00

He says something about the two think, wow, he's

1:00:02

been married nine times. Yeah. But it's

1:00:04

not hard to imagine what this is.

1:00:06

Oh, I've always said I wanted to

1:00:08

write as many books as as I've

1:00:11

had marriages. Thank you. Should Jacob been

1:00:13

at this dinner as well? Is it

1:00:15

weird that he's not there? No, it's

1:00:18

not weird. It's an

1:00:20

adult. The grown up dinner. Okay. Yeah. All

1:00:22

right. Yeah. Continue. But sheer

1:00:24

does does mention that

1:00:26

he went to his art exhibit and

1:00:29

say it tick talks

1:00:31

about his art for a minute and sure says well, they

1:00:34

were the largest paintings I've ever seen

1:00:36

in my life. He sort of describes

1:00:38

these enormous paintings. So you can

1:00:41

tell his ego is just, you know,

1:00:43

he does everything big. Yeah, and you can

1:00:45

also tell that Bashir is a fanboy. Yeah,

1:00:47

this scene. Yeah. Which

1:00:49

is sweet. It is very sweet. It is

1:00:51

very sweet. And then he goes to

1:00:53

get his wife to bring his wife in because

1:00:56

she cooked every single dish

1:00:58

by hand, right? It was not replicated. That's

1:01:00

the whole that's homemade dinner.

1:01:03

Very, very proud of his wife goes together.

1:01:06

And this is where Kira wants to get

1:01:08

out of here. She's like, can we just

1:01:10

leave? Very funny. And

1:01:12

then say tick returns with his

1:01:14

wife, whose name is Nadelle. But

1:01:17

she looks like Fenno identical to

1:01:20

Fenno. And I love Dax's last

1:01:22

line in the scene when she comes out.

1:01:25

Dax goes, well, now we have something to

1:01:27

talk about. Yes. And

1:01:31

her demeanor is so completely

1:01:33

different. It's so different. It's

1:01:35

not like she's acting. It's like she

1:01:37

does such a good job that it's

1:01:39

just polar

1:01:42

opposite. Completely. Yeah.

1:01:44

Everything that we see her doing

1:01:46

as Fenno has been turned off.

1:01:49

It's like the switches like click

1:01:51

gone. Yeah, like she's disengaged almost.

1:01:53

She's not

1:01:56

she's there. Like

1:01:58

she has to be Well, she did a

1:02:00

good job being the wife who doesn't want to be

1:02:02

in the relationship with the husband. She's

1:02:05

no longer in love with basically. Right.

1:02:07

So I think she's well, how could you stay in love with

1:02:09

somebody who's not interested in anything you're doing? Yeah.

1:02:12

And it's always about his thing, his thing. Yeah.

1:02:16

Mm hmm. After dinner,

1:02:18

we're at the dining table and

1:02:22

basically goes through the recipe for

1:02:24

his dinner creation. Gives

1:02:26

everybody all the ingredients. Yes. And

1:02:29

while he's doing that, Dask is talking to

1:02:32

Cisco privately off to the side about, you

1:02:34

know, is this the same woman? She looks

1:02:36

the same Cisco says, but it's

1:02:38

weird. And she sounds the same. Sounds the

1:02:41

same. Same boys. Yeah. Probably

1:02:43

you just called Terry's character Dask instead of Dax.

1:02:45

I did. Yeah. Dask.

1:02:48

Yeah, you did. But it's okay. Like

1:02:50

she's a desk. Ask Dask. Ask Dask

1:02:52

about her desk. Ask Dask. That's what happens when we

1:02:54

try to hurry. Yes. Exactly.

1:02:57

All right. Anyway, they

1:03:00

have this little side conversation. They can't figure

1:03:02

this out. And then they decide to they

1:03:04

all decide, say, it's going to take

1:03:06

them into the other room to

1:03:08

relax and continue the conversation. Cisco

1:03:10

stays behind. And he asked

1:03:12

Nadell why she didn't just tell

1:03:14

him that she was married. And

1:03:16

she says, what are you talking about? We just met. And

1:03:19

he says, do you know Fena? And

1:03:23

she pauses. She does pause there for a

1:03:26

minute, which I thought was interesting when he

1:03:28

brings up the name. She kind

1:03:31

of stops and it does the registering. What we know

1:03:33

from the end that she doesn't know who

1:03:35

Fena is. She had another. Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:39

The same similar thing happened to her before. I

1:03:41

don't want to ruin anything. Don't tell me the ending. No,

1:03:43

I'm not going to. You have to

1:03:45

listen to the whole podcast. Exactly.

1:03:48

She says you must have mistaken me for

1:03:50

someone else. And

1:03:52

then he leaves. So she's

1:03:55

not helping at all here. Yeah.

1:03:58

Absolutely. No. very upset though

1:04:00

and she says commander you obviously have mistaken

1:04:03

me for someone else in his final lines

1:04:05

as goes seems that way

1:04:07

doesn't it he's not happy at all yes,

1:04:09

no it seemed like he feels like he

1:04:11

doesn't believe her yeah, he's like what

1:04:14

he blowing them off right right now. And that's

1:04:16

kind of what

1:04:18

I how I was taking it watching it. She's

1:04:21

a liar philanderer. Exactly.

1:04:25

We're in the ops next Cisco's talking to

1:04:27

Dax and and Cisco says he insists that

1:04:29

this is going to be the same woman.

1:04:31

Yeah, and Dax says we'll just talk to

1:04:34

her when she's not around her husband. He's

1:04:37

like Dax she's a married woman. I'm

1:04:39

just respond to go like guys well that

1:04:41

never stopped curves on did it. I was

1:04:44

like whoa. But

1:04:47

but we did see that episode where

1:04:49

curves on because I was with the

1:04:52

yes, the married woman. Yeah, Odo enters

1:04:54

in the middle of Dax talking about

1:04:56

having curves on affairs. But

1:04:59

Odo enters and says he

1:05:02

cannot find this woman and Cisco says it's okay,

1:05:04

I found I found her don't worry about it.

1:05:07

Cisco says she came from the pretty Prometheus

1:05:10

and auto stops

1:05:13

is like wait, that's impossible. Say

1:05:16

it is the only person that

1:05:18

came off of that ship. No, no,

1:05:20

no one else came off of that ship.

1:05:23

So very confusing. And

1:05:26

I kept waiting for this this ghost of Jennifer's

1:05:28

storyline that I thought it was going to be

1:05:31

this I'm still stuck. I know let it go

1:05:33

Robbie. But

1:05:36

why do they have that for. And it makes

1:05:38

no sense. No,

1:05:40

it doesn't be. It has

1:05:42

nothing to do this episode that

1:05:44

they never reference a dead

1:05:46

wife or any of that again. No.

1:05:50

Yeah, it's weird. I thought that maybe the

1:05:52

reference would be more you remind

1:05:54

me of my wife Jennifer anything

1:05:57

like that would have helped.

1:05:59

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Or

1:06:02

even if you didn't say it to her, but he said it to

1:06:04

me. Dex, she reminds me of

1:06:06

Jennifer. Yes. Plenty of opportunities for

1:06:08

him to kind of put it together. Just

1:06:10

like three spots. Yeah. The

1:06:13

big juicy thing and a couple of little

1:06:15

extras would have helped tie everything together. Agreed.

1:06:18

Yeah, agreed. Armin had a

1:06:20

lot of time off on this episode, didn't he?

1:06:22

I think he only has one scene here coming

1:06:24

up that he does very well. He

1:06:26

does. It was a great scene. Yeah. Well, we're

1:06:28

back back on the upper level. The promenade Cisco

1:06:30

goes back up there to try to find Fena.

1:06:33

And she stood him up this time. She didn't show up. And

1:06:37

that's when Quark appears and Quark, Quark

1:06:39

sees that he's he's

1:06:42

been stood up, invites Cisco to come to

1:06:44

the bar to talk about women, I thought

1:06:46

was very funny. So cute. But

1:06:48

it was very sweet. It seemed very

1:06:51

sincere. Yeah. Quark seemed very

1:06:53

sincere. Yes. And even

1:06:55

when he says when Cisco says he doesn't he

1:06:58

doesn't want to talk about women with him.

1:07:00

Quark walks away and his last parting comment

1:07:02

is don't forget. The Hollisweets are always open.

1:07:04

So he's still trying to help. He's like,

1:07:06

look, if you feel bad about being stood

1:07:09

up, we do have Hollisweets. So I thought

1:07:11

that was very nice of him. That kind

1:07:13

of felt smarmy after the release. To

1:07:15

me, it was like, really? That's what's on his mind.

1:07:18

Well, well, because Cisco was covering all

1:07:20

the bases. I thought that was

1:07:22

the whole agenda that he's like, you've been stood up. Let's go

1:07:24

talk about it. And he was going to get him to go

1:07:27

go to a Hollisweets,

1:07:29

spend some money. I felt that I

1:07:31

felt like the whole thing. That was

1:07:33

his agenda. OK. Not Armin. Armin wouldn't

1:07:35

do that. But Quark. Yeah. Quark would.

1:07:38

But I love that he sold it

1:07:41

sincerely. That. Me too. I thought that

1:07:43

was great. Cisco goes back. He doesn't

1:07:45

want to go to a Hollisweets. He

1:07:47

goes back to his quarters. And just as he

1:07:49

goes into the door, enters the

1:07:51

door. He hears Fenna.

1:07:54

Fenna appears surprises him. Appears

1:07:56

out of nowhere again. Ta-da. She's.

1:08:00

And he wants to know if she's married.

1:08:02

He's like, I need some answers here.

1:08:04

He asks, do you know Nadel? And

1:08:09

she says, no, don't know Nadel.

1:08:11

Well, he says, like, you're telling me that your name isn't

1:08:13

really Nadel and you're not

1:08:15

the wife of Gideon, Sayatek. So he says every, he

1:08:17

lays it all out right there. Yeah, he does. Yeah,

1:08:19

and does he say you have a twin? Yeah, he does ask

1:08:21

about that. Is that this too? You know, you

1:08:23

couldn't have a twin sister, do you? Yeah, that's

1:08:26

in there too, I think. Yeah,

1:08:28

but she says, no, none of, like,

1:08:30

that's not true. It's, she's not lying

1:08:33

to him. And she's

1:08:35

very sincere in this scene and it's very sweet.

1:08:37

She says, you know, she thought that she

1:08:40

was looking for a

1:08:42

place to belong, but

1:08:44

now she knows she was looking for a

1:08:47

person. And that she,

1:08:49

you see, she's really in love with

1:08:51

Cisco here, has strong feelings. Very rom-com-like.

1:08:53

Yes. Because she never

1:08:55

answers anything. She still doesn't.

1:08:58

So it's like, this

1:09:00

should be a big red flag. It should

1:09:02

be, but. But that's dead. If

1:09:04

you're asking someone a question, right? Instead

1:09:06

he makes out with her. Because

1:09:09

he's lonely and she's beautiful.

1:09:12

But didn't that bother you though? Like, if I was

1:09:14

Cisco, I'd be thinking like, wait a minute, you're

1:09:17

really playing a game in my head. You're

1:09:20

really playing a game in my head. Although I've

1:09:22

kind of been there myself. If someone's

1:09:24

seducing you and not really giving you

1:09:26

information, but you're lonely and you want

1:09:28

connection, sometimes all of

1:09:30

us let those hormones take over.

1:09:33

That love is blind thing is

1:09:35

no joke. That's like

1:09:38

trickery in a way, because that's not

1:09:40

sincere. No. No,

1:09:42

then you're being seduced. And you

1:09:44

might want to be seduced for a period

1:09:46

of time, but you must know that

1:09:49

like Cisco says, this is a dream.

1:09:52

Yeah. Is that something

1:09:54

real, unless you're sharing real information

1:09:57

and making an intimate connection? I think

1:09:59

that. was my problem with this episode

1:10:01

is because as a character, she had

1:10:03

to not give him any information. I

1:10:05

felt like, well, then it makes Cisco

1:10:08

look stupid. Because

1:10:11

he should at a certain point go,

1:10:13

there's something wrong or dangerous. I'm not

1:10:15

playing this. I'm not playing this. And

1:10:17

he didn't. Yeah. And well, I think he

1:10:19

has kind of done that though. And at the

1:10:21

end of this scene, when

1:10:23

she disappears after the kiss,

1:10:25

yeah, you can see his

1:10:28

frustration. To me, I imagine

1:10:30

that Cisco is intelligent enough to

1:10:32

know that this is a red

1:10:34

flag, that this woman isn't, but

1:10:37

he still desires her. Yeah. And

1:10:39

physically, you can't blame him because

1:10:41

she's beautiful. Yeah. Right. And

1:10:43

he's been lonely and it's been four

1:10:46

years and it's a lot to finally

1:10:48

feel attracted to somebody when you haven't

1:10:50

felt attracted to anybody for years. So

1:10:53

I can understand where he gets sucked in,

1:10:55

but I love how he has

1:10:58

his face in his hands with this

1:11:00

frustration of, I have

1:11:03

to know more and something's wrong

1:11:05

with this, but I'm so crazy

1:11:09

attracted to her. I don't know what to do with

1:11:11

it. Yeah. I like that moment. Yeah.

1:11:13

It was a nice moment when he drops

1:11:15

down, sits down and then she

1:11:18

squats down or kneel down, comes down to his

1:11:20

level. And that's when they kiss

1:11:22

in a very sweet, very romantic.

1:11:24

It's all very romantic. It's just also-

1:11:26

Yeah, but she disappears right after that

1:11:28

kiss. Yeah. But- And when he throws

1:11:31

himself into his what? Yeah. No, I was

1:11:33

just going to say, when he does that thing like that,

1:11:36

to me, it was a weird

1:11:38

choice because he just physically saw

1:11:40

her disappear in front of

1:11:42

him for the first time. It's not

1:11:44

a beam out. He knows it's not

1:11:46

being transported. He knows what a transporter

1:11:48

beam out sounds like, looks like. He

1:11:51

should have been more like, what the,

1:11:53

you know, WTF? What

1:11:55

happened? Yeah. And she's

1:11:57

like, what's happening to me? I

1:12:00

was going to get something. I was

1:12:02

going to get. Yeah, I was going to get. Yeah, that's

1:12:04

not what it was. But still, I didn't reach out to

1:12:06

her. How about that? Because

1:12:09

she was. He should have went. He should have went

1:12:11

like just reaching out like where the. Because

1:12:14

she looked confused when she started to disappear. Yeah.

1:12:17

She did have a name. She says, Benjamin.

1:12:19

What's happening? Basically, she doesn't know what's happening.

1:12:22

And he could stand up and go to Fana. Yes, that's what

1:12:24

I thought. He was gone. That would have been

1:12:26

a good point. He didn't make it. We fixed

1:12:28

it. We did. We're.

1:12:32

We're called the show doctors. We're going to fix

1:12:34

every show for you. We know how to do it. This

1:12:36

scene. Yes. Cisco should

1:12:38

be seen. You know, reach for her and try

1:12:40

to catch her. There you go. We go to

1:12:42

the airlock next. In the airlock corridor. Dax is

1:12:45

back to sanity. Yes. Back

1:12:47

to sanity with Dax. That's her

1:12:49

cable access show sanity with

1:12:51

Dax 3 PMs on. Okay.

1:12:55

Well, she's getting ready to depart.

1:12:58

O'Brien has the engines. We learn

1:13:00

able to get to. Warp 9.6. And

1:13:04

Dax talks about, well, wasn't it. Shouldn't

1:13:06

we only go to 9.5? Isn't that

1:13:08

what they say? And. And Miles

1:13:10

is basically saying I've made it giving you a little extra. Tom

1:13:14

Paris. Tell me Tom Paris. Yes. This

1:13:17

is what Tom Paris would say about

1:13:19

getting near warp 10. You

1:13:22

may turn into a salamander. You may

1:13:24

kidnap the captain. And you're the

1:13:26

commander and have babies with them. So

1:13:28

don't. Don't go past warp 10. I'm just

1:13:31

saying. Just saying. Miles doesn't mind. Miles

1:13:34

doesn't know this, but he has. Put Dax

1:13:36

in danger of turning into a

1:13:38

salamander, getting that close. Watch out.

1:13:40

I would make a very cute salamander.

1:13:42

You would. Thank you. You.

1:13:46

You. Cisco arrives. Uh,

1:13:49

as they're getting ready. Say a tick

1:13:51

says, uh, let's go. Hurry up. And

1:13:53

Cisco says he wants to come. along.

1:14:00

He does have a funny line though, right?

1:14:02

And when he says, must I remind you,

1:14:04

Lieutenant, some of us only have one lifetime.

1:14:06

Yes, that was cute. That was cute. That

1:14:09

was cute. But I'm worried that Cisco's coming

1:14:11

along. Oh yeah. This is a last minute

1:14:13

change. And what if something goes

1:14:15

awry? Because that's the whole

1:14:17

reason we have the warp 9.6 because

1:14:20

if that thing goes super nova, we

1:14:23

got a high tail out of there. You're toasted. Yeah,

1:14:25

I don't even think we'd get out of there. No,

1:14:27

I don't think you would. Terry, I

1:14:29

love awry, awry the use of that word.

1:14:31

People don't use it enough. awry.

1:14:34

Oh, wow. I'm

1:14:36

showing my age. No.

1:14:39

Put it in a poem. The next poem

1:14:41

needs to have awry. awry.

1:14:44

Okay, so next scene is on

1:14:46

the Prometheus bridge. And did

1:14:48

you notice all the TNG style

1:14:50

uniforms on this bridge? Yes.

1:14:52

Good for you. I don't

1:14:55

understand it. I don't why would

1:14:57

because the DS9 people have the

1:14:59

uniforms that we had on Voyager.

1:15:02

Why would the Prometheus have the TNG? I

1:15:05

just didn't, it's cool, but I didn't understand

1:15:07

it. Yeah. They have different

1:15:09

parts of Starfleet. No, we should have all had the

1:15:11

same uniform. But

1:15:14

the assign is different because they've

1:15:16

taken starch and bent out that little

1:15:18

opening. Yeah. Well, and two, TNG

1:15:21

is happening concurrently.

1:15:23

Still happening. Yeah. So

1:15:25

that would make sense that it

1:15:28

doesn't really matter. Because we didn't have

1:15:31

the same uniforms as next gen and

1:15:33

they were filming, we overlap two years

1:15:36

in filming. Yeah, but we

1:15:38

were happening in the same time

1:15:40

period. Yeah, timeline. Thank you. I get

1:15:42

it. That does make sense then that

1:15:44

you mix it up with extra

1:15:47

uniforms. Maybe that was just like, okay, budget

1:15:49

that would make the most sense. We don't

1:15:51

have to make new uniforms. We

1:15:54

got plenty of these old TNG uniforms.

1:15:56

Yeah. But if you think about continuity,

1:15:58

though, once they roll out a new

1:16:01

uniform, the new DS9 uniform, the TNG

1:16:03

guy should have been switched over to

1:16:05

that uniform then to Mac to make

1:16:08

it, you know, like maybe on starships,

1:16:10

they have one uniform and out in

1:16:12

the field like on a space station

1:16:14

where you're not on a starship, maybe

1:16:17

it's a different uniform. I think that's

1:16:19

a good excuse. Besides, also,

1:16:21

it just differentiates that we're coming

1:16:23

from DS9 and these people are

1:16:26

on the Prometheus. So if they're

1:16:28

not wearing Starfleet uniforms, they should

1:16:30

have been wearing something different anyway

1:16:32

so that we're not confused

1:16:34

as an audience. So why are

1:16:37

all the DS9 people on this

1:16:39

Prometheus? Yeah, that's true. Okay.

1:16:42

Maybe in the budget, it was better to

1:16:44

use the TNG, yeah, uniforms than

1:16:47

it was to make new uniforms for

1:16:49

what on one episode, one scene. My

1:16:52

own curiosity, what are both

1:16:54

of your takes on the TNG style uniforms?

1:16:57

Do you prefer those over, do you think

1:16:59

those look better than DS9 era or Voyager

1:17:01

era uniforms? I think the TNG looked more

1:17:03

like the original series, like some of the

1:17:06

films. It felt more connected to the films

1:17:08

of the original series. But

1:17:12

I don't know, but they were kind of

1:17:14

spandexy too, weren't they? Well

1:17:16

you wore the TNG uniform when you

1:17:18

guest starred on it. Did you like

1:17:20

wearing that better? No. Oh,

1:17:23

you did know that? No, I didn't. Okay.

1:17:26

That's like our uniforms were wool and

1:17:28

they were really hot. So it was

1:17:30

cooler to wear on your body, not

1:17:32

cool as in looking cool. Temperature wise,

1:17:34

I was much more comfortable temperature wise,

1:17:36

but in terms of the fit. The

1:17:39

material? The material on

1:17:41

the TNG uniform was stretchier because it

1:17:43

was spandexy. That

1:17:47

part I liked, I just didn't like the way it looked.

1:17:49

Like it was not forgiving. It was like, it

1:17:52

was every crevice. It's

1:17:55

not forgiving. We started out with the

1:17:57

wool uniforms and then we switched to the

1:17:59

spandex one. What? Really?

1:18:01

Yeah. Are you going to change?

1:18:03

I don't want to ruin the story for you. Don't

1:18:06

worry. Don't. Because Terry, they

1:18:08

gave us the wall and we stayed with the

1:18:11

wall. We never went to anything. We were in

1:18:13

a wall seven years. We

1:18:15

were dying. It was hot. Yeah.

1:18:18

And they are hot. And I had wool crepe on top of my

1:18:20

head to make that, put

1:18:23

my hair over that to make it big.

1:18:25

Oh my gosh. So they gave me pin

1:18:27

curls to have my three quarter fall. And

1:18:29

that thing of wool. And my

1:18:32

hair cover. So it was like, I was wearing a wool hat. Yeah.

1:18:34

Like a winter hat. Oh my gosh. Yes.

1:18:37

And you had a wool cap on. I did

1:18:39

not know that. Right. The entire seven,

1:18:41

six years you had wool cap. Yes. Wow.

1:18:45

It's called crepe wool. Okay. And

1:18:47

they just put it in between, but it's wool.

1:18:49

Yeah. So it keeps your heat in, right? Yeah.

1:18:53

And then, um, what are they called? Support

1:18:55

hose. And who, who.

1:18:58

Why did we have to have a one

1:19:00

piece turtle neck long sleeve shirt underneath it?

1:19:03

It should have been a Dickie.

1:19:05

Like a Dickie. Yeah. Oh, I'm so sorry. A

1:19:07

Dickie with fake sleeves, but then you'd be right

1:19:09

up against the wool. Which

1:19:11

would be stretchy and uncomfortable. So

1:19:14

it was just, we were all hot. It was,

1:19:16

yes, they were very uncomfortable. Those hot lights. And

1:19:18

not in a sexy way. No. Well,

1:19:21

on the Prometheus, they have different uniforms, which is

1:19:23

weird, but we've solved that problem. And made me

1:19:25

a lot of it. Save

1:19:28

the episode. Um, they're

1:19:31

in route to this dead son.

1:19:33

Dax is working with this crew member

1:19:35

named Pierce. All. Who,

1:19:38

um, was getting the

1:19:40

Prometheus ready here. I

1:19:43

will normally I don't say this, but I, I

1:19:45

didn't like this actor very much. I didn't, I

1:19:47

didn't think he was great. I didn't believe him

1:19:49

at all. No. I didn't see the commander of

1:19:52

that, that Brit seems like. Yeah. And

1:19:55

he was the one that basically towards the end had pretty

1:19:57

much no idea. emotion

1:20:00

about what Seyotic was doing as well. That

1:20:02

guy. Yeah. Yeah. He looked like he was very

1:20:04

unhappy to be there and he had settled here. I

1:20:08

will normally I don't say this, but

1:20:10

I didn't like this actor very much.

1:20:12

I didn't, I didn't think he was

1:20:14

great. I didn't believe him at all. No,

1:20:17

I didn't see the commander of

1:20:19

that that Brit seems like yeah. And

1:20:21

he was the one that basically towards

1:20:23

the end had pretty much no emotion

1:20:25

about what Seyotic was doing as well.

1:20:27

That guy. Yeah. He looked like he was very

1:20:29

unhappy to be there and he had to say the line

1:20:31

nervous or something. I think it was nerves

1:20:33

guys. It's usually nerves. I'm going to say

1:20:36

it's going to be nerves. He's very inexperienced

1:20:38

and nervous and I just, and

1:20:40

after having Richard Kylie, Richard Kylie, for

1:20:42

God's sakes. Yeah. You want a strong crew

1:20:45

and I just felt like they, they've

1:20:47

got the, the cheap version on the

1:20:49

crew. They really did. Yeah. They really do.

1:20:51

Yeah. And I don't even know, is

1:20:53

that something Robbie you think? No, is

1:20:55

that something Robbie you think that Alex

1:20:57

could have helped a little

1:20:59

bit more or was that out of this control?

1:21:01

Well, here's the thing. He had two

1:21:03

lines. You're not going to get a

1:21:05

massively experienced actor

1:21:08

for the under five. They could have

1:21:10

paid, they could have paid someone a full

1:21:13

guest star rate, even though there was only a

1:21:15

few lines, but instead they went for the under

1:21:17

five rate, which is a much cheaper rate, but

1:21:19

you're going to get different actors willing to do

1:21:21

that. Yeah. And people with less experience. It's

1:21:23

a hard job. That's a hard job to

1:21:25

come on and do two lines and that's

1:21:28

it. Yeah, I did that on my,

1:21:30

I got my aftercard on as the world terms,

1:21:32

the soap opera in New York in an under

1:21:34

five role. And I was terrified because

1:21:37

you only have a, you know, two or

1:21:39

three lines and you're waiting for your turn.

1:21:41

Yes. And everybody else. Oh, it

1:21:43

was horrible. Well, thanks. Hard when you're

1:21:45

even doing the show. Yeah. And

1:21:48

you only have a couple lines in the

1:21:50

middle of a series regular. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

1:21:52

especially because they're running on time. And

1:21:55

that one mistake, you got to start

1:21:58

over with all those people. such

1:22:00

a nightmare. Well, anyway, so we're on the bridge

1:22:02

of the Prometheus, they're headed there. They're

1:22:05

trying to get the protomata ready.

1:22:07

Sayotik tells Cisco stories about transforming

1:22:11

terraforming new Helena, I

1:22:13

think it was. And that's

1:22:15

where he met Nadel. And

1:22:17

Nadel was the daughter of a dignitary there.

1:22:19

And she was very infatuated with him from

1:22:21

the start. So he ended up

1:22:24

taking her off world for

1:22:26

the first time she'd ever been off world. And he

1:22:28

gets very emotional at the end of the scene, says

1:22:31

that she loves him deeply, but he doesn't

1:22:33

know why. And this was an

1:22:35

important moment because you know there's

1:22:37

more going on there in that marriage than he's saying

1:22:40

or that we have seen so far.

1:22:43

Yeah. And it was evident in the dinner too,

1:22:46

because he took over explaining the food.

1:22:48

So he's controlling how

1:22:50

she cooks it. She looks miserable.

1:22:53

She looks really unhappy. And

1:22:55

like a kept woman, that's like a bird in

1:22:57

a cage. That's what she seemed like at that

1:23:00

dinner to me. Yeah.

1:23:02

Those two final lines when Cisco says, she

1:23:05

must love you very much. And Sayotik says,

1:23:07

she does, Commander. Don't ask me why, but

1:23:10

she does. That's his realization that

1:23:12

he's kind of a jerk, that

1:23:14

he's not a great husband. He

1:23:16

knows. He knows. Yeah. And it's

1:23:19

really heartbreaking how

1:23:22

he delivers the line because he really does

1:23:24

give all of that to us in

1:23:27

just those two sentences. Oh

1:23:30

my God. Good job, Richard Kiley.

1:23:33

We go into the guest quarters, I guess

1:23:35

it's like crew cabins on the Prometheus and

1:23:37

Cisco walks in and there's Fena waiting for

1:23:39

him. How'd she get on the

1:23:41

ship? I'm very confused. But

1:23:43

anyway, Fena's there and he

1:23:46

says, well, you vanished last

1:23:48

time I saw you. So

1:23:50

he calls Dax. He wants a witness here.

1:23:52

He wants somebody else to be here. Calls

1:23:55

Dax. He wants the science officer too. And

1:26:00

that's when Dax scans her and says,

1:26:03

scans Nadelle and says she's going to die from

1:26:05

all this effort that her, that

1:26:07

her brain is just on fire here.

1:26:10

And Sisko sends Dax with Fena

1:26:13

to leave, you know, wants them to get

1:26:15

out and demands that

1:26:17

Sayatik explain everything. And

1:26:20

he tells the story that all these

1:26:22

wives, the nine wives he's had before,

1:26:24

they all eventually grow tired of him.

1:26:26

They leave. But Hanalans,

1:26:29

which is what Nadelle is, Hanalans mate

1:26:31

for life so she can't leave him,

1:26:33

even if she wanted to. She

1:26:36

just can't do it. Poor baby. You know what?

1:26:38

It's Halana. Is that what it is? It's Halana?

1:26:42

Halana is the planet. It's a place. Imagine

1:26:44

if your wife was from there, your Star

1:26:46

Trek wife. Balana from Halana is

1:26:48

what her name would have been. I

1:26:50

didn't know where you were going with

1:26:52

that, but okay. I didn't either. I

1:26:54

don't know, Balana. So there we have

1:26:56

another reason to watch Voyager. Yes. Terry

1:26:59

watches Voyager. We go to another

1:27:02

crew quarters and Sisko comes in, explains to

1:27:04

Fena that she is only a projection. She's

1:27:06

not real. She's got to return to Nadelle

1:27:09

or else Nadelle is going to die. And

1:27:11

Fena is heartbroken because she

1:27:13

says she loves Sisko. And

1:27:15

this is when he says, you

1:27:17

know, what we have is just a dream.

1:27:19

It's not real. And

1:27:22

that's when Dax calls and says,

1:27:24

Sayotek took the shuttle with

1:27:27

the energy headed to the dead

1:27:29

star and the sun. So we

1:27:32

know that he's pulling some move

1:27:35

here. Epsilon 119. Yes. Yes. Back

1:27:38

on the bridge, Sisko runs in, tries to talk

1:27:41

Sayotek out of doing this. Sayotek says, this is

1:27:43

the only way to set Nadelle free. I've

1:27:45

got to sacrifice myself. And

1:27:48

he says, oh, by the way, I wrote my

1:27:50

own obituary. I love this moment. Oh my gosh.

1:27:52

There's something in my vault you're going to find.

1:27:54

Yes. And I'm thinking, wow, what is

1:27:56

it? Like some exciting

1:27:59

thing.