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it's been nearly hundred days since
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elizabeth holmes was convicted on four
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counts of criminal fraud and
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a weeks since her former boyfriend and
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cool, sunny balwani was also found
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in his case on 12
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counts as they await sentencing
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later this fall we are back
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with a little different, a
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conversation with two brilliant talent
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who are crucial to creating the hulu
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limited series, the dropout, based
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on this now, nominated
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for six emmys, amanda
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seyfried who's nominated for outstanding lead
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actress in a limited or or
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or for her portrayal of elizabeth
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holmes, is it doesn't scare me really
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no point i think i
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choose the things that will be complicated i
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get very, very that i'm not going
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to be able to do it at all and
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the show's creator and showrunner liz,
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meriwether nominated for outstanding
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writing for a limited, or anthology
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series or movie is this like mix
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of fear and
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excitement and just like a thing
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that's nine that's you or your like your like
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get the feather my head what drew
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these women to elizabeth halt
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scared them the most when they set out to tell
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this story what was the
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toughest part of getting it right
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phone it
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amanda and the other lives
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amanda congratulations
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on your nomination for outstanding lead
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actress and welcome they
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couldn't have done it without you guys are
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, the it's truly incredible
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your remarkable performer and liz
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for your outstanding writing for the episode
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i'm in a hurry your nominees
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and hungry situations you are pivotal
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to all of this welcome
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thank you i'm so happy to beer i
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love this
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yeah so much i
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feel like i've entered into my own
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research
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where's where are you right now i'm
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in vermont and
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amanda i am
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in cobble hill brooklyn i'm
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coming you for my
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from from my closet in new york
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city so it's very much like every
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other episode
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about i'm so happy we're having this
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conversation i've been wanting to have
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this conversation with those of you for a while
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and , think we should start at the beginning amanda
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i think for you what has
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just blown me away is
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that you really embodied the essence of
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this character who is
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still live with it's scary
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to take on to roll of somebody
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who's still around the i mean
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i think of firsts i
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worry too much about what other people feel in
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general this is a really good exercise
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in trying to work
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through that because my
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job at this point ways
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to embodied is person
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that exists this hybrid
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between a person who exists and the
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person that lives rope and
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and it every time i reminded
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myself that it was i'm it was it
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was our version it was her version our
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version something we're building together i
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could separate from
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the
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carrying too much about what the real lives
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this hum start because because
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we're making we're making show ends an
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appeal to the day it's an
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it's for the audience and her stories
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very it's very public
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and has , well researched
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researched to you guys and and
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you know a lot of people
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are very well aware of hershey iconic
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and a lot of ways for lot of people
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and
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you had to stay on that track
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so i wouldn't get sidetracked into worrying
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too much about the cost
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is it for her because her knows she made
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her own bed in that way i'm in
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i'm don't want to damage
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anything for her any
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further than she already has herself
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and i also thought because because
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we're telling us the story from them more
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it inside point of view like
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we're trying to understand her more i
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thought it could really kind of only help let's
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talk about lives what drew you to this story
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of what intimidated you about it what
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did you love about it
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i was very
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intimidated by it i
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felt
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i mean first of all i've only
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written comedy i'd
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i'd be no worked on a network the com
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which is very different then you
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know what
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hulu dramatic limited series
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is so , i
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was very intimidated for for that reason
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and then also just there'd been
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so much reporting on the
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story you know i felt like and
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she was
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he had been kind of this
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acted by acted lot of different
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people and i felt like
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i wasn't sure if the story
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came need it to be told again which was
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like a big question that i hadn't my mind and
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then i
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listen to the podcast and
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i the felt like you guys
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had gotten her
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mind in a way that other
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reporting sort of hadn't yet and
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i
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dot a dot just kind of juri
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me in
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they felt like that was a part
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of the story that hadn't been told the at am
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and that was a that wasn't part
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of the story that the hit ugly
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a fictional telling they could could
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explore he now because they could the
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a wave wouldn't have the you
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know be reliant on rigorous
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journalism it could be kind of explored
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from an emotional place which
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is why it hey felt
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like , could you spell
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is the thing i knew i could discuss suffolk
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i am yeah and and beyond
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that it's like the business side
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of things the chemistry the
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engineering the sunny elizabeth relationship
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which planet which has almost
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no information about
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it all of
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the things you know felt very
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intimidating to because they assert
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didn't know where to start with them but i was so
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intrigued with there any
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real life people who you've actually come
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to now amanda that you based
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the character on there
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are some people i thought about
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when i was preparing
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you know me i i was able to
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really lot to certain ways
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i behave when i was younger
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certain
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the things that i find embarrassing
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i was able to tap into in
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order to play like the younger version of her but
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i think you know there are some people my life
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from my past that remind me of
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her in
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terms his how they relate to the world
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and how uncomfortable they are in their skin
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and there
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oh you thing that i did i
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do know you , any sense
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sense that's simply not a hum teasing
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like conflict is some of the in your life
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no i mean i think i think that you'd you'd
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definitely hit on it with
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that sort is tapping into
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the younger version of
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yourself that was uncomfortable
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in your skin i mean i think i did the same thing
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and
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a lot is what i kind
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of brought to discuss where my experiences
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as a younger person running
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new girl and girl and of power in my
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twenties like not having a ton of experience
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and so i did really draw from those
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experiences in my own the life
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because , i've related
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in certain ways to the story
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and it's a strange
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answer to say that you like juju from
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your own life but life think the
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work that that we do him and i feel
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like that you always kind of half do
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and i think if you're not if you if you
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don't connect in that way to
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something you're working on than it's probably not what
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you said be working on whom i don't know i
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think i don't i definitely don't do my best work until
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i've sort of
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found my own
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emotional connection in to something
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totally totally is there process
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that you guys go through
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every time you approach new work that
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gets you there
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my process is always to like
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hate myself as much as possible until
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i'm just like a fiscally
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open nerves and ,
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and then start from scratch and and like build
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upon that because the truth is i
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don't go anywhere without my insecurity
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is that's my reset button
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like i they've been terrified
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playing this new role because i haven't worked
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since the drop out i felt so
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kremlin and like safe in
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that
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the not world we created by the end though
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she's not ready to let it go
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maybe i'm still not and to to be
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so long to feel comfortable in this
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other character that implying that so
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much more me then then
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elizabeth
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so
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that was read hate yourself
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for all your way
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out the i want to i understand what
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that looks like
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you're right in and irene
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or you just think about on things you don't
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like the dryer i
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the day i hate myself
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the most again know i
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i seen
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it looks like
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questioning what i'm doing with
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every single person i know every actor
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i know every , in my immediate
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family family know telling
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telling everybody my therapist
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my husband my best friend
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jennifer foods like the best actor i actor
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you don't i don't feel comfortable with this
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what am i doing wrong what can i do
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would have the tools where do tools go
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can you read the script for me it's
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basically about getting all the help outside
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from people i trust not invalidate
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me or tell me that i'll do a good job with a
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me ideas make
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me a great question much the get a
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job like an get coach would do i
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ask myself the questions and then i get different
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ideas from different people and then and of
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course the writer and and the director
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always help when we're on
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sadder preproduction but it's just like i
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think i just need to bounce ideas off
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just need single person before
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enter into the
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the filming zone i wonder
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amanda are you with you
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look for
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the that sort of hate yourself
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thing the he said jokingly i mean how i
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wonder if it's it's it's fear
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and i also wonder if it's like the
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look for things that
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that scare you you know i
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mean i i feel like i hadn't killed were
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like in hearing what you are saying the
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i think there's no point if it doesn't scare me there's
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really no point unless i'm doing a favor for somebody
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or and get , work four days
11:45
with a best friend or you know if
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i mean a dive into a project it's gonna
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take me away from my family has
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to be important has to be something that's gonna
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challenge me and asked her asked asked her
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my world
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that wrong and so
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it doesn't there's no point in their i
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think because i choose the
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things that will be complicated right
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i get very very afraid i'm not
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going to be able to do it
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oh
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well what's your preference would you rather
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right the stuff
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that is very limited in it's
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scope in terms of what's already reportable
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or would you their target the things
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that have huge amounts of reporting behind
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now
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a pretty good question i the i mean
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writing seen
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from
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you know when using actual words that
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people hadn't been quoted
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saying was a totally new experience for
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me obviously because you ,
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there's no new girl ah
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ah story his have his
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that i was ever quoting or eat i've never i've
12:52
only sort of ever worked on think that i was really
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coming up with a my own i
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was scared by the
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funny is that relationship so much
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and but i'll i will also say
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and it's the seems like it's like easy
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to
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they in retrospect but like i had
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of
13:12
i had a lot of fun
13:15
i mean funded , wrong word i
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heard a i would i found the
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will i found the writing of the show like like
13:23
exciting because a a
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really did sort of challenge like every part
13:28
of me like i really had to had
13:30
go deep emotionally with myself you
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know process a lot of stuff
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that had happened to me in the past
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and also become like an armchair
13:40
a an and surfaces
13:43
many things that i would like it was really i was really
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challenge by i think there's any
13:47
elizabeth relationship like it
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felt so unknowable and
13:53
i it
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it
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it also was it felt dangerous
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to me be
13:59
the
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when we
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you don't know something as a writer
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and when you're up against it i think there's
14:07
a tendency to fall into cliches or
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to like fall into stereotypes
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and and so i was thinking really
14:14
aware of that and and
14:17
wanted to just make sure that it
14:20
was ember simple it now and
14:23
those are just really hard scenes for me i
14:25
was really scared of them becoming melodramatic
14:28
, sinn to
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suddenly maybe some good
14:46
the harder it is that
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relationship is really one of those things where
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you show up the rehearsal with
14:54
the actors and you're kind of like yeah
14:57
like like what the scene is about and you talk
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to them about what to seen as a new like hope
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that you actually do know what the scene is about for
15:04
those the scenes with sen elizabeth
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i was
15:07
the way like i
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think this think this it's about and that
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was a place where amanda and have been just
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really
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hook bolland ran with it and i
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felt understood this
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relationship
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in a very
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crime or emotional way that i think
15:26
i had gotten in my head overthinking
15:28
things and they just sort of like went with it
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in this beautiful way that amazing actors
15:33
do those scenes were really hard for me
15:35
to write any i think their
15:37
performances save
15:40
the scenes and the characters like so
15:42
much more adapt that
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i did
15:47
you like to do the self deprecating
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part after the fact yeah yeah fi
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the way i mean look you guys both
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know what a fan i am of all of it so
15:56
i think that goes without saying but i
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just every as that of the
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work that both of you put into this
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has van for myself
16:05
and the team taylor done and victoria
16:07
thompson the podcast team we
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have just been blown away by
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the care and the talent that you put
16:13
an and it just means so much to
16:16
us the degree that
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you both as well as everyone in the cast
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and that extends so would seep and layers
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and layers out of people working in carrying
16:25
so i feel like a broken record
16:27
sometimes saying it but it is it's is it's
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true i also a i think
16:31
that came from your ,
16:34
and i felt like and you and and and
16:36
how much care you guys put into the
16:38
story and just thinking and and
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always say i came to the table with questions
16:43
and i think like that's exactly what you did
16:46
and ultimately i think that's what i
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hope the audience leaves with like
16:50
i never want it to provide answers
16:52
i think i , see that as my job
16:54
enough so i think hopefully all
16:56
the questions that we had
16:58
were translated into a good
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story that just create it more questions
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oh
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i i think that that author really
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came from you
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yeah
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i think you know it's it's funny
17:12
a everybody comes to the table
17:14
from different places and with
17:16
different questions and the questions
17:19
that you guys asked on the podcast
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the journalistic integrity that you
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know the real curiosity human
17:26
curiosity the you had sparked lizards
17:29
curiosity and she came as as
17:31
a writer and a creator like finding
17:34
you of finding out about elizabeth from a
17:36
different angle and it's just like you guys built
17:38
this thing together which is like a
17:40
domino effect and then by
17:43
the time i get to the table which is like
17:45
the end
17:47
the have all this information
17:50
no over the course of all your research
17:53
and all whizzes research and everything
17:56
i have available to slake how can it
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not be it just basically
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said into a warm bath here you know
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that's the thing that wasn't hired by i'm just saying
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like it , it's rare
18:07
and it's never going to happening so so
18:09
like really sure
18:11
that i'm not going to get the
18:14
sit in on something and
18:16
have something so though
18:18
the and you know and so thoughtful
18:20
and so ready to
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be film in i mean it's just as
18:25
rare he dies or the reason
18:27
the show it exists in them you know
18:29
it just snowballed from there
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i wear it was a warm bath that i drained
18:34
a couple of yeah you
18:36
know backed out of , crop
18:39
yeah put a bath bomb in it it
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it is for sponsored
18:43
nine hush multicolored
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about the know i mean i think i think about
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the anecdote i mean would like when like
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listen
18:52
the pie it's so funny like doing the five
18:54
cats are you at the park has a trying to keep
18:56
saying that this
18:57
but like i remember
18:59
listening to the anecdote
19:01
about her running on the track
19:04
you know as an eleven year old and and that was
19:06
in your last episode a thing
19:08
everyone would finish the race and then all
19:10
the sudden you hear the announcer say
19:13
don't cry the track there's still
19:15
a runner on the track
19:17
that runner with elizabeth but sure
19:19
enough she was not deterred by people
19:21
lasting or you know
19:23
and people cry
19:24
the nutjobs she would get a brand
19:27
that race and finish and she was determined to
19:29
do it no matter what anybody said i
19:31
had been riveted the whole time that it
19:33
was like those anecdotes you
19:35
know her sitting alone in her car
19:38
damn thing and to
19:41
to hip hop music like what on arriola
19:44
you know told you and ,
19:46
a little glimpses into into
19:48
who she was as a person and
19:52
that's what fired me up to write a
19:54
you know i mean i i think lake the
19:57
story is from an intellectual level like so
20:00
interesting unlike in there so many forces
20:02
at work in big like
20:05
big , conversations and into the had about a lot
20:07
of other things the just like that the way
20:09
that you've acted like drawn out her
20:12
character in her character story that it'll
20:14
in the podcast for me was like a huge
20:16
and not the anecdote about the track a i
20:18
remember listening to it
20:20
interesting like
20:21
that's the first scene i have
20:24
no process of alaska is done
20:26
or
20:33
running on a good
20:35
as you're doing great i
20:37
mean i think that's think that's a good question of like
20:39
why do you pick certain projects in it and i'd
20:41
honestly don't
20:42
but i know that there's this like mix
20:45
of fear and
20:47
right man and just like a saying
20:49
that nine at you or your like i can
20:51
get the side of my head and
20:53
that particular anecdote was just so
20:55
vivid and so why
20:59
is it my head and i just remember that feeling
21:01
of like okay with this is a character
21:03
i need to write you know like in
21:06
listening to that so
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yeah warm warm bath
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i like the warm bath analogy but i also think
21:14
looking , it from the
21:16
perspective of there were so
21:18
many pieces of this puzzle that
21:21
all had to come together
21:23
they all had to
21:24
work from every person on the project
21:27
being committed to a coven came
21:29
up a pandemic came up everything that
21:31
pushed dates got moved around
21:34
even that anecdote elizabeth's
21:36
running on the track that with
21:38
something he was in our last episode because
21:41
this was someone who reached out after listening
21:43
to the podcast you think about these these
21:45
realities and lies that the
21:49
difference between yes and no sometimes
21:52
things either work out or they don't i'm
21:55
the deposition tapes we knew
21:57
they existed and we did everything in our
21:59
power to
21:59
mm we finally dead and were the first
22:02
ones to air them in the podcast a
22:04
put a gun the other way just as easily
22:07
but i , about
22:09
the creation of this
22:11
project as there was as there
22:13
case as the trial was going on the trail
22:15
that push many times because of the pandemic
22:18
and with you had written you're
22:20
in the process of shooting and then we got all of that
22:23
text messages between sunny and elizabeth
22:26
amanda what was that like to read
22:28
these text messages that and
22:31
in many ways we're kind of validating this relationship
22:33
bet you we're recreating
22:37
i
22:38
saar
22:41
bizarre , to be
22:43
in because because know this
22:45
is really happening bore onset making
22:48
the imagined
22:51
version the hollywood
22:53
and hollywood and a trial going on between
22:56
the you know with
22:58
this person with these people with
23:01
, you know of the witnesses and and
23:03
and in the players in our show and
23:07
i mean it's very easy actually to separate
23:09
is rupe this is there's no consequences
23:12
for what we're doing and we're we're doing
23:14
it because we love
23:16
our jobs and we want to create an
23:18
it's an incredible story and
23:21
these people's lives are totally like
23:25
in , jeopardy
23:27
so that feels very weird there was a
23:29
lotta guilt there for me at
23:31
times and then i tell myself too late tell
23:34
chill out because the truth is like she
23:36
created as for herself so you
23:39
know she sees no one victim of course
23:41
but you know if she's still made me feel uncomfortable
23:44
knowing that she's going to court every day will her
23:46
babies at home or with her
23:49
and she's being judged
23:51
by the media every single day and every
23:54
move she makes and now hirsch intimate
23:56
text messages are being released it's just like
23:58
it's really hard not to feel
23:59
for her
24:01
an aggregate health it a lot of ways
24:03
you know connected to that
24:06
that it brings but i also feel like it was so
24:09
is just
24:09
the dark knight you are so in it
24:11
at that point a man that you know because we'd rd
24:13
side two thirds of the show and
24:16
you'd created this amazing
24:18
character
24:19
that as he said was a mix of
24:21
you and me in the writing
24:24
and her in her name is a you'd you'd kind of
24:26
it at your own version of her
24:46
the moment of
24:48
just oh i
24:51
, you see how are you talking
24:53
about no please don't
24:55
be this can't be true like three use
24:57
the i'm trying i'm trying to do a good
24:59
thing for for getting such
25:01
as it's hero
25:05
is equal you can't play is farewell
25:07
and unless you're a farewell
25:09
you know
25:10
rooting for that character and seeing
25:13
things from that characters point of view
25:15
exactly but by by the end
25:17
on a ceiling commanding for falling apart
25:20
and it was really hard i don't know about
25:22
like how you felt when you know the
25:24
we were of wrapping up in october but
25:26
when we're shooting all those choices
25:29
the wrong choices that she was hanging
25:32
slowly pulling back i was really
25:34
pulling apart and it made
25:36
it even easier for me to play the darker
25:38
side of her because i don't
25:40
have to agree with her but i at least have
25:42
to understand why she's doing and have and
25:44
have compassion for for may be
25:47
why she would behave that way but out on
25:49
to agree with it so it's like there was
25:51
it's was ewing back layers that
25:53
i was also kind of separating a little bit from
25:55
her and those such messages helps
25:57
me separate because really
26:00
nailed her in a lot of ways i'm totally
26:02
with you in that like i've said said
26:04
like in i had never written
26:07
drama before it and i think that's
26:09
not just about kills i think i'd
26:11
never written
26:12
the character
26:13
it you know took
26:15
such a turn he know that he like like
26:18
exactly what you're saying sort of like a
26:20
character who starts to make
26:23
the wrong choices am
26:26
a character who starts to the
26:30
certain that big of a way like
26:32
i
26:33
i think we're obviously with
26:35
how many are just never
26:37
in a you fall in love with your character and comedy
26:39
and and like he still love them at the and things
26:42
like was withdrawn was withdrawn very different from you
26:44
is that others final episodes were very hard
26:46
for me to re
26:47
probably in the same way that they
26:49
were hard for you to perform because it's not
26:52
that point
26:53
you spent much time with the character and
26:55
years
26:56
you know
26:57
me you are
26:58
not greeting i mean for me and i wasn't
27:00
like it was is more just like a connection
27:04
and then you have to write them
27:07
doing these things that are very question
27:09
on it was it was knew it
27:11
was a really new experience for me too i think i
27:13
i especially had trouble with the fifth
27:15
episode you know where she where she decides
27:18
to to go forward with
27:20
the walgreens launch and the
27:22
at record where record where gibbons commit suicide
27:25
as well you know like i was like the that
27:27
that episode the because difficult
27:29
for me to no money from somewhere else
27:31
you done it before i don't need your advice on
27:33
this in
27:35
you don't understand the business
27:36
you don't understand the science
27:39
you know the drama aspect of the things
27:41
that she's been through where
27:44
the things that i held onto his his bullies
27:46
till eight be able to continue
27:51
justifying in my own head why she's
27:53
doing certain things of
27:56
, i don't have to you know i can sleep
27:58
at night but i was
28:00
shooting them you know you just you eat you want
28:02
it to be the fact is
28:05
on the performance be effective and you didn't come
28:07
you know commit and connect in certain
28:09
ways of those are yeah it was it was
28:11
definitely the
28:13
end just i was just tugging at anything
28:16
i could they get through the
28:18
know on october fifteenth or one of our last
28:20
day was and he for an actor
28:22
i mean this role it was such a marathon
28:24
and watching amanda do it we were shooting
28:26
for months and like if you know it's not
28:29
it's not a movie it's not two hours it's
28:31
you know it's like ours
28:33
though many episodes
28:35
in amanda was living in this role for so
28:37
long the and and
28:40
it's it it's mean i honestly
28:43
could not believe
28:45
i can i believe that you are like still standing
28:47
in october let alone given a reform
28:50
giving the performance that you are giving and
28:52
i feel like that like those last couple
28:54
that think you are like any
28:58
yeah i
29:00
know rebecca you visited sad
29:02
and i mean what you said it was surreal
29:05
for you to just like walk into
29:08
this set that was pretty much like a replica
29:10
of the thera know building i mean you
29:12
know it's just like life imitates art a little
29:14
bit of art imitates life
29:16
imitates don't even know but like you know we're all
29:19
just sort of locked into this
29:21
there are no that he
29:23
know and and i was definitely trying to not
29:25
like
29:26
constantly compare the process of making
29:28
the show to fairness
29:30
and liked the making
29:33
of , the box you know so i
29:35
dunno it was all like by the end i think we
29:37
were all just like and
29:40
we're all just really all just
29:42
it
29:42
them
29:45
added a bit actually think i mean it's it's
29:47
interesting earlier he said rebecca about
29:49
commitment i mean i think that
29:52
in some ways that also what the story
29:54
is about and
29:55
what it takes to make
29:57
something right i'm in the
29:59
choices that
30:00
you need to make in some ways
30:02
the way that you have to kind of give your
30:05
whole life over to something
30:08
in order to make it work and then you
30:10
know what happened every choice filter
30:12
the our yeah and then
30:14
you know i did find a lot of
30:17
connections to what
30:19
what happened at their nose and
30:21
sort of the process of making
30:23
something the making
30:26
an you know a series
30:28
yeah it's air and that
30:30
are series levels in sarah series the
30:33
ended up working
30:34
you're going on in any giant
30:37
giant success it's a giant
30:39
when because we we shot at we finished
30:42
it we added a that we put it out
30:44
people watched it
30:46
then we took it to talk about it
30:48
the
30:49
and and it it's tests
30:52
had know
30:56
i'm is a moot point of comic
30:58
really if i wanted to see that what it was like
31:00
onset because lives the
31:02
fed that it's very different to
31:05
create a film that it is to create
31:07
a show how different
31:09
what's that like what was it like on sat
31:12
i know we met your dog fan when we
31:14
are onset which was so find it was
31:16
so much fun and so we would have
31:18
these little bubbles a cast members
31:20
coming in for like a couple weeks
31:22
and then leaving and we
31:24
had we shot this whole so and
31:26
three blocks the first four episodes in the first
31:29
lot the second getting
31:31
sick from the second in the seventh
31:33
and eighth in the third and
31:36
we have the best cause i've ever seen and
31:38
anything ever i think i'm
31:40
we had eight hours of tv and so
31:42
many people coming like incredible
31:44
actors coming into like play
31:46
in three days and so we
31:49
would cluster up and the we have a little
31:51
bubbles of flight time with each other
31:53
between set up send between shots
31:56
in between scenes and like everybody kind of got to
31:58
know each other in a way and and they wouldn't and
32:00
i'd be sad and a new crop
32:02
of characters would come in at actors would come into
32:04
play these characters like i got
32:06
really tight with a cars on the first
32:09
and lot and
32:11
or a
32:13
, or when it like james
32:15
allow like we and the most
32:17
incredible kate comer played my assistant
32:20
like hilarious like we were just texting with each other
32:22
like ten minutes or before this podcast like
32:24
i've stayed in touch with all these people
32:27
and then you know the second crop like death
32:29
marvel i'm michael
32:31
gill will plead my parents came
32:33
in and just like like stole
32:36
my heart and now i'm just a
32:38
you know i and i'm also i'm a and all
32:40
of them as actors actors josh
32:42
pies all the walgreens guys like
32:44
insane the like i'm telling
32:46
you the most the experience
32:49
because you know i'm i'm i'm
32:51
very social onset i really don't go back
32:53
to my back much i'm
32:56
i'm very curious about people
32:58
and a pretty energetic and
33:01
i love my job because they need to
33:03
survive because i'm away from my kids so i might
33:05
as well have them as much fun as i can be
33:07
created this little land called table and
33:09
we would bring the huge huge
33:11
collection of copper [unk] markers which very
33:14
very good art
33:15
watercolor markers and paper
33:17
and then at one point where the walgreens place
33:19
alan ruck taught me how to draw i'm
33:22
everybody would start drawing like you know just
33:25
m
33:26
whoever was around
33:29
the cable or which was usually everyone
33:31
who they're whoever is working and at at the time
33:35
we would just draw and it's just like everybody
33:37
just go so well do
33:40
you still have any of the pictures you drew
33:42
with alan rock yeah
33:45
so ah i i
33:47
do he didn't like yeah yeah
33:49
i'm basically was
33:52
like you gotta get this book basically
33:54
we do you take you take and and he put upside
33:56
down now see that and you show me the lines so
33:58
i have some pictures that really like drawing houses
34:01
i send pictures of houses that i have a my phone
34:03
still that i can't believe that i
34:05
actually drew
34:07
because he's i get just short of stuff here's
34:09
the book you get and i got the book and like you know i brought
34:12
it back to set that next week
34:14
and notice
34:17
to , people tell stephen fry
34:20
is the nicest man to ever
34:22
walk the planet the also knows the most
34:24
about everything you everything know and
34:26
he nodded deck about it
34:29
the
34:30
idea i get i mean i could go for days
34:32
about these people are you kidding as
34:34
the sole mchale a couple months ago she came
34:36
up to the farm exists
34:41
i don't know i don't know
34:42
i think if you're working and something so
34:45
intense like you have to find
34:48
a way to just leave
34:50
mentally in i mean i the
34:52
and i
34:54
i play i you that you had your dog
34:56
there you have either side of i
34:58
totally got it i i i
35:01
i , at first i like wow there's a huge dog
35:03
unset his has some for a
35:06
new and i would would upwards
35:08
like of course you know like you'd need
35:11
to play this part league you need that
35:15
yeah like bags
35:18
referred around yeah you know
35:20
the data we we created a home and
35:22
and it was
35:23
really cause the home and then when people come in and
35:26
they feel like
35:27
they feel part of it they feel accepted
35:29
and and like the it just feels
35:31
like a team effort in that way and she's missing
35:36
i think it's one of the reasons the show works to
35:38
is it like everybody knew was very
35:40
professional and very happy of be there
35:43
like , you know we and then
35:45
make up trail of everything they take so
35:47
much to make something right filming is hard
35:50
it's a lot more hours if not a nine to
35:52
five we are definitely
35:55
you know we're doing something very specific
35:58
for a lot of hours korea in
36:00
small places sometimes and it can be uncomfortable
36:03
but you gotta like survivor or make it
36:05
fun and and we we
36:07
and we did on the show and that doesn't always
36:09
happen are there any more stories
36:11
any any more anecdotes that you've never shared anywhere
36:13
else that you wanna do here i
36:17
we have them so the entire crew
36:20
shared a photo album and
36:23
we were just add photos whoever
36:25
took a photo that was added to the photo albums
36:27
to the whole crew would get it and
36:30
, someone took a picture of me
36:32
think it was kendra standing
36:34
under this really weird thought light
36:37
the outside of chatsworth the studio
36:40
and the picture turned out so
36:43
terrifying that legacy
36:46
will do this isn't mika of course itself
36:48
as as you need like
36:52
photo shop to me as
36:54
many people but one of them as beetlejuice
36:57
and it was just it i'd never
36:59
i hadn't as i haven't laughed that hard
37:01
in years for whatever reason the
37:03
picture of me went viral around
37:05
the crew as , as
37:07
i put it on and everybody like i
37:10
couldn't i cry laughing so hard i was
37:12
like this is i don't know why maybe
37:14
not require with the ugliest
37:16
creepiest photo and it's
37:18
just me me employees
37:20
into my safe it's the lighting that i look i
37:23
and look like beetlejuice it's so
37:25
weird it's i i
37:27
don't know what i think it goes to go for goes or something
37:31
that with you he says i just said
37:33
here i'm looking
37:35
at it right now
37:37
it's it's really really unsettling
37:43
the remember even hearing outside in here
37:45
with her we were
37:46
the pick the com
37:47
like i got get get a picture me under
37:49
there and
37:51
that would have i wanna see your phone
37:53
camera
37:54
given that glimpse of that we
37:58
the get put in a picture that you look at
37:59
when you get closer it gets scared
38:03
around it far away as citizens
38:07
the
38:08
there
38:10
pretty find live in i had
38:13
i don't have a revolution again so i moses
38:16
them i'm capitalizing on this moment
38:18
like we got all these emmy nominations
38:20
which is like more than you could ever expected
38:23
from anything you know a cult like
38:25
to get recognition and acknowledgement for some of
38:27
her job well done that kinda stuff like you
38:31
don't expect that and stuff it's happening i
38:33
get to keep talking about it i get
38:35
to keep hanging out with his eyes and
38:38
the say not gonna happen
38:40
again
38:41
yeah
38:43
i like do you think amanda think it's
38:45
laughing
38:47
i'd wear it might go to thanks at
38:49
it's like is so negative
38:51
in a in a good cinematic you're
38:53
always shocks and something good happens yoga
38:55
class
38:58
now we are will yell at me like if it
39:00
is that because we're in chatsworth all the time
39:02
really knows listen the
39:05
ground within the interesting thing with am
39:07
it what what didn't we do in the shower just
39:09
like the things people do on their border they've
39:12
been around each other for too long without sleep
39:14
that's a lot of funny stuff happens
39:16
i mean i used to with michael
39:18
showalter just
39:20
hunt we're made a whole very i would like
39:23
just with them because
39:25
of course
39:27
the dwight i am
39:30
the like made him a hairpiece out of my dogs
39:33
there when i just was grooming him the
39:35
says
39:36
rep i did and then he
39:38
likes through to legacy that discuss
39:40
the and i said wow i've put a lot of work
39:42
into that
39:44
the other there was
39:46
a i mean a did get i
39:48
did get a thera knows tote bag that said
39:51
they get the you may get an a rumor
39:53
or not
39:55
i use it and then i would
39:57
like
39:58
we don't i mean like i'm like
39:59
can't carry this a rat like people that
40:04
militant gives me gives don't i don't have one
40:07
i don't know why i don't have one
40:08
the
40:09
oh my god i'm a three minute
40:12
video of michael showalter just dancing
40:14
around the camera because he was
40:17
directing us to to do dancing
40:19
as we did a lot of dancing to
40:21
, in bottles and
40:24
listen to that song and
40:26
how they sent her at eckerd had i'm so sorry
40:29
was that michael showalter is just first
40:32
minute
40:35
dancing behind the camera as the city
40:37
map at the people like he was just making
40:39
sure that we were getting it right
40:40
the certain directors
40:43
monitor this is a he was
40:45
doing with
40:47
any other seeds the got cut that you would have loved
40:50
to keep
40:51
well that one was like of i really
40:55
like everybody the whole way
40:57
the like the scene of gonna get caught and i was
40:59
like no know hop music
41:01
but it would use of it was another
41:03
dancing singing
41:05
the
41:06
in theory that had a lot of dancing
41:08
thing but it was and after
41:11
for she gets invited to like you know me
41:14
mary alice and she goes
41:16
home the sunny and they dan
41:18
around kind of celebrating and
41:22
whether it to pop in battle
41:25
it was written in the yeah
41:28
oh i'd i don't open ended up being happy
41:30
about it but i have a new he as nice as
41:32
top and bottom yeah was like
41:35
nothing
41:35
the money taken up happened bottles and then they
41:38
were like dancing around
41:40
yeah it was it was incredible but
41:42
ultimately not
41:46
did that need to be and maybe for the story
41:49
there was actually a cup there's a few like comedy
41:52
scene that
41:52
like i grow
41:55
and net
41:56
in that i'd never knew
41:58
like tonally if it was going
41:59
the hannah to silly like
42:02
there the scene where when they're about
42:04
to show the prototype i went
42:06
to this assistant kind of
42:08
they caught they coffee
42:09
maker isn't working
42:10
he runs in the lab and she says that
42:12
is at the coffee me
42:13
is not working is anybody here an engineer
42:16
and like everybody raises their yeah
42:18
no fuck are , was another
42:20
scene after it were like all these engineers
42:23
including edmund a were trying
42:25
to fix the coffee maker
42:27
but like talking and really technically
42:29
about coffee makers and
42:31
it was too silly and we cut it but the it the
42:34
on the plus side a like had to do letter research
42:36
and like how coffee makers work the right the lines
42:39
them a like now
42:42
on sale and now you're making
42:44
amazing coffee for yourself
42:46
yeah ah before
42:48
we go i want to hear from both of you
42:51
if you have a favorite moment either
42:53
from the actual series
42:55
or from creating the series
42:58
either one of you can go
42:59
if one if it's sending just pops in your head
43:01
tell me
43:02
the masked dance like the dance
43:04
were yes
43:05
take they're both wearing masks
43:09
the best faith and after that
43:12
after the birthday
43:15
party i just it's yeah
43:17
it's yeah it's gonna hit
43:18
every every baton they have
43:21
my parents into
43:23
is it is it but they didn't
43:25
no i am a big of it
43:27
felt so good the best
43:31
periods i had was actually
43:35
we doing this at scenes
43:37
and shooting the scenes where we were
43:40
actually using
43:43
footage when i was
43:45
in like during the deposition inches the
43:47
there was nothing more vigor ratings
43:49
and like repeating
43:51
things that i'd i'd learned
43:53
at heard over and over again and a seminal says
43:55
now in their name with
43:58
there's with this existence terrorism and everything
44:01
i just um i also just
44:02
loved walking and her
44:06
there's too many things i don't even know
44:09
a scattering the no i don't know i mean that
44:11
obviously the dragon but the thing is a keep the
44:13
dragon put the in the box as martyrs
44:16
and
44:18
i don't know it just it was all the reviews
44:21
for have the drag about that that's good to know
44:23
her , shirt do guess
44:26
i should do is just is mean all it is
44:28
there's just there's too much there's too
44:31
it was so much fun had then
44:34
i really enjoyed every single
44:37
almost every single second except when i got hit the
44:40
head with a camera which was so bizarre
44:42
fanatic it like the the funny
44:44
thing like the funny thing doesn't work is near
44:49
god
44:49
dream come true
45:00
he voted you thank you
45:02
congratulations you have found
45:04
such eight
45:05
mendez job with this project
45:07
i'm in ah
45:08
how many people are in awe of what
45:10
you have created year
45:12
i'm and this is also
45:14
just a really fun conversation so thank
45:16
you for taking the time and
45:18
good luck the i mean we're all
45:21
cheering you on
45:23
bank so we'll see we'll all be together
45:25
again a yes yes as a to
45:27
says and skies they
45:30
were going
45:31
this bonus episode of the dropout was
45:33
written and produced by victoria thompson
45:36
killer zone and me it's edited
45:38
by brenda silliness baker special
45:40
thanks to siri rosenblum catherine
45:43
lil kim
45:44
the for don't think sanders
45:46
and josh come here
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