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Finally back on the Empire Podcast this

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week we say One Love to Kingsley

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Benadir, star of Bob Marley One Love.

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And we're joined by the star of

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Madam Webb Tahar Rahim, who was in the

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Amazon with my mom when she was researching

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spiders a week before she died. True story

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folks, true story. I don't know why my

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mom was in the Amazon researching spiders a

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week before she died, but

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hey ho, there it is. Anyway

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all that and more on the movie podcast

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that is going on tour in 15 days

0:42

time and is not

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at all terrified by the prospect.

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What have we done? What have

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we done? Hello Pod, I'm Chris Hewitt.

0:52

Welcome to the Empire Podcast. This week

0:54

we're in a slightly different studio but

0:56

I'm joined by my two colleagues of such lethal

0:59

cunning Helen Ahara, our

1:01

geek queen is here. Hello. Hello.

1:04

How are you? I'm very well thank you.

1:06

Good good good. And James Dyer, our great big

1:08

fucking nerd is also here. Hello James. June!

1:13

I've seen June today, I'm so excited. That's

1:16

nice for you. I'm nice, I'm glad for you. Yeah. I'm

1:19

glad for you. Imagine if you were in a room with people

1:21

who had already seen this. Imagine. Speak to

1:23

me. But do not address me. Such people would have signed

1:25

I'm sure some sort of embargo. Say

1:27

they couldn't talk about it until the day that

1:29

this episode airs. At Gomjibar point.

1:32

Hypothetically. Yeah. Yeah. It's

1:35

all hypothetical. It's all hypothetical. Although I

1:37

think actually the embargo might, if such a thing existed,

1:39

be up by the time this episode goes out. For

1:43

social media mentions that we'd

1:45

seen it. Hypothetically

1:47

yes, but fear is the embargo killer

1:49

or embargo is the fear killer or

1:51

anyway I'm just terrified. Embargo is the

1:53

chat killer. Hypothetically speaking, I

1:56

signed something I don't fully understand. So I'm

1:58

not going to say anything about anything. Except

2:00

to say hello, welcome both to the Emperor

2:02

Podcast and welcome to all our wonderful listeners.

2:04

How are you? How are the kids? Good.

2:06

Excellent. Now, go to your computer. This

2:09

is to the listeners. Go to your computer or your phone.

2:12

Go to it right now, right now. Stop

2:14

whatever you're doing. Pick up your phone.

2:18

Go to Ticketmaster. ticketmaster.co.uk.

2:22

Type in Michael McIntyre. He's

2:24

on tour this year. No, no, no.

2:26

No, don't do that. Type

2:29

in The Fast Show.

2:31

No, again, no. Again, no. That's

2:33

a big no, no. Type in

2:35

the Empire Film Podcast to

2:37

differentiate us from the other podcasts that are called

2:39

Empire. Type in the Empire Film Podcast. You will

2:42

see it comes up with a range of dates

2:44

because we're going on tour in March. We're

2:47

going to be at Birmingham, the Crescent Theatre

2:49

on March 1st. Norwich?

2:55

Yes. They play half of

2:57

Norwich on March 6th. Sheffield on

2:59

March 13th. Wednesday?

3:02

Wednesday? Sheffield

3:04

Wednesday. He was

3:06

very pleased with everything he realised and is very

3:09

pleased indeed. Where else are we going to be,

3:11

Jimbo? We are going to be

3:13

in Salford, Matra. Yes, but after you skip

3:15

one. Oh, you expected me to do them

3:17

in order? I can't do that. I don't know if you had

3:19

picked up and we were doing them in the minute. I

3:21

don't have the order memorised. All I've got is

3:23

I've got March and it just says in my diary, the North.

3:27

Pretty much, yes. So pretty much, except for Norwich, which

3:29

is not the North. It's north of here. Is it?

3:32

It is. It means North-East. It's the

3:34

North. Is it technically north of London?

3:36

Yes. It is technically north of

3:38

London. I guess London is in the

3:41

South-East. In the South-East. But

3:43

then Norwich is in the...

3:46

Norwich, Norwich, Norwich. No,

3:48

we're not doing that. We're not Americans. We're not

3:50

going to do... We're not going to apply for

3:52

the W. Jesus Christ. The North witches, that's what

3:54

it's named after. Oh, my God. Oh,

3:57

my God. Anyway, yes, Dublin. Dublin.

4:00

Dublin, yes. Dublin, 21st. Yes,

4:02

the laughter lounge on

4:04

the 21st of March as a

4:06

Thursday and then we're finishing off

4:09

the tour in Salford

4:12

which is adjacent to Manchester or

4:15

near Manchester but I have been told

4:17

by people who live in

4:19

Salford that it is not actually in Manchester. I like the

4:21

tour. In the same way that we would say, Helen, that

4:23

Liz Byrne is not in Belfast. Of course, not when I

4:25

was in Portugal. I like the church,

4:27

indeed, which is north. So,

4:30

we're going to be in Salford on the

4:32

28th at the Keys

4:34

Theatre, I believe it's called, in the

4:36

Lowry which is very, very exciting. Very

4:38

close, I believe, to Old Trafford, Manchester's

4:40

United Ground. So I may have to

4:42

wear some sort of... Protective

4:45

gear. ...armour or maybe have a priest bless me before

4:47

I take the stage. I think that's probably wise, yeah.

4:50

But anyway, do come along. We're going to be on tour. It's

4:52

going to be an evening with the Amber podcast. It's going to

4:54

be the show that you kind of

4:56

are listening to right now. I'm so sorry about that but

4:58

a slightly different version of it and it's going to

5:00

be new things and old

5:02

favourites returning and it's going to be a

5:05

really, really fun night at

5:07

the theatre or

5:09

company club. So do come out. Do

5:11

come out and see us. So many of you bought tickets already

5:13

for which we are very, very grateful but we could always sell

5:15

more. We could always sell more. We could always sell more. If

5:18

it helps us, you have the edge and not

5:20

an ab right. The edge will not be in Dublin, by the way. He might be. He

5:23

might be in Dublin but he won't be on our show. Are you

5:25

sure? I'd be very, very surprised. He might be on our phone. He

5:27

might send a postcard. He might send a postcard.

5:29

Come out of the phone edge! That's what I would

5:31

say to him. Is he not in Las Vegas

5:33

still? Is he in Las Vegas? Yes, I think he's

5:35

still in fear. Oh, they've been trapped inside that sphere

5:37

for months. They have been, yeah. But no, so I

5:39

woke up in the middle of the night last night

5:43

with an idea for a thing to do at the live show.

5:45

Good. I'm not going to tell you

5:47

what it is but I have a surprise thing and I'm not

5:49

going to throw anything away but it started with a pun that

5:51

has all great things to do. Oh boy. I

5:53

had a dream last night that I went to

5:56

Zendaya's house and I had to adjust her TV

5:58

because the aspect ratio was all wrong. I

6:00

thought you were going to say motion smoothing. No,

6:02

she's got more sense than that. But even then,

6:04

I mean, even the aspect where she was

6:06

being wrong just didn't seem like her, you know?

6:09

So I feel like it must have been a rental house or something. She was just in...

6:11

Do you think McHugh and Tom Cruise fucked it up

6:13

when they turned off the motion smoothing? What?

6:17

So, McHugh and Tom Cruise did

6:20

that video campaigning against motion smoothing, whereby,

6:22

I'm fairly certain, they promised to come round to every single

6:24

person's house and manually turn it off. Oh,

6:27

okay. Oh,

6:30

hey, Cruise! Wait with you! Bridge.

6:32

You just turn on motion smoothing so he'll come over and you

6:34

can do an interview. Yeah, he just pops down from the ceiling.

6:36

It's like the bat signal. You turn on motion smoothing and he

6:38

turns up. He has a cake. Anyway,

6:40

we're going to be on tour. We're very,

6:42

very excited slash terrified about it. We would

6:44

love to, well, sail

6:47

out all those venues, obviously, but we'd love to

6:49

have as many people in as many seats as we

6:51

possibly can. And if this goes well,

6:53

who knows? There may be more tours

6:55

in the future. If it goes badly... Maybe like

6:57

that. You will never hear from

6:59

us again. We will not be allowed to leave

7:01

the podcast booth ever again, ever again. Anyway,

7:05

anyway, plug in over. That

7:07

will not be part of the show either, by the way. Although

7:11

at this point, I'm not really anything else. Let's

7:15

get on to this week's listener question, which you guys don't

7:17

know. No, we do not. You don't know what the listener

7:19

question is. Because there's nothing like being prepared and

7:22

we are. Nothing. I don't want you to be

7:24

prepared. I think preparation... We

7:26

just do. Preparation Blunt Sly Tool

7:28

Helen. Sure. It's

7:31

from Finger Guns. That's

7:34

not the real person's name. Roscoe

7:36

Keniston. Roscoe Keniston on the

7:38

Twitter machines, who says, Oh,

7:41

all the films that

7:43

have earned over a billion dollars

7:46

and didn't receive Best

7:49

Picture nominations, which

7:51

ones should have. Now, quickly,

7:53

highly to bonksofficemojo.com. Endgame.

7:57

Endgame. Yeah. I mean,

7:59

the answer to this is, of course. Captain

8:01

America Civil War, it is

8:04

of course Black Panther, Avengers Infinity War, the

8:06

Avengers Avengers Age of Ultron, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man

8:08

No Way Home, Spider-Man Far From Home and

8:10

the other one of them probably Iron Man

8:12

3. Did you say Iron Man 3? Yes,

8:14

Iron Man 3, the second Marvel movie to

8:16

make a billion dollars. Can I just say

8:18

I'm so glad I haven't been able to talk

8:20

about the MCU on the show for a while. It

8:24

might happen. Just a little feeling. Oh, what's

8:26

this in my pocket? Didn't you film this? I just

8:28

handed it to you. Did any film that

8:30

was in your pocket? You said like the edge. The edge is

8:32

in my phone. Denny Film Nerve is in my pocket. Hey,

8:35

did you realize that the

8:37

letters that spell Dune are in Denny Film

8:39

Nerve's name? Yes. Yes.

8:43

Billion dollar films that should

8:45

have been nominated. Let's come about this another way. Of the

8:47

top 10 billion dollar films, how many of them have been

8:49

nominated? Alright, you tell me James, because you've just googled box

8:51

up as much as I can. So

8:54

I'm guessing, because I can't remember. Can I guess?

8:57

Can I get? Number

8:59

one. Number one, obviously, is

9:01

Evator. Yes. Was it nominated

9:03

for Best Picture? Yes, it was. Yes, it was.

9:06

Okay. Should it have won?

9:08

Yes, it should have. Hey. And

9:10

number two, it is. Endgame wasn't. Endgame

9:13

was the first highest scorers of

9:15

all time, I believe, not to be nominated for Best

9:17

Picture. Yes. Evator's

9:19

Endgame is number two and was not nominated

9:21

for Best Picture and should have been.

9:24

Should have been. And number three. Number three

9:26

is Avatar the Way of Water. Was it nominated for Best Picture?

9:28

I couldn't tell you. It could have gone to my head. I

9:31

don't think it was. I think it was. I don't

9:33

think it was. I think it was. I'm saying no.

9:36

I think it was. Helen, you're in charge of Google. Find out.

9:39

I'm going to Google. Come and see this live. Are

9:41

we in more of a shit? Sincere leading chat. Oh

9:43

god. I think it was nominated for Best Picture, but

9:45

it wasn't nominated for anywhere near the amount of Oscars that the

9:47

first Avatar was. Yes, that

9:50

seems right to me. That's a bit of a

9:52

look. Seems right. And fair. Including

9:54

Best Picture. Damn it. Alright, okay.

9:57

Number four. Number four. Number

9:59

four. number four I want to say Titanic

10:01

and you'd be right which

10:04

was definitely which was definitely nominated one

10:06

bit one big day number number five

10:08

number five number five number number five

10:10

is alive number five is a short

10:12

circuit to even the Oscar was like

10:14

that Fisher Stevens is one of those

10:16

this is a fishery

10:25

I did okay number five

10:27

Helen what's your guess oh well I actually have

10:30

all right okay you don't like it number five

10:32

you don't like it I like the fourth awake

10:35

it's the first way which was not nominated the best

10:37

picture what I'm sure it was sure but that I'm

10:39

pretty sure it wasn't but yeah all right okay you

10:42

do the box office Helen does the Oscar fine all

10:44

right okay this is a nice debate of labor and

10:47

who does the anyway I do the

10:49

guessing right Michael Fassbender doesn't agree yeah

10:53

maybe we get along in

10:55

Dublin Tyson with some flutes

10:57

couple of comedy Club Michael yeah and do some

10:59

fingering number six number six number six

11:01

number six is the very very few things have

11:03

made two billion we're still yeah on the two

11:06

billion here it is not no way home because

11:10

I didn't it's infinity war is infinity war the

11:12

greatest of all Marvel movies and did it get

11:14

nominated for best picture Helen did it fuck Captain

11:19

America fucks but did not fuck

11:21

he does he does not fuck

11:24

his Palpatine anywho force

11:27

awakens was not no man no picture as well

11:29

all right okay all right good good good I'm

11:31

not even looking up in the world we're now

11:33

out of the two billions are we yes we

11:35

are okay so I'm

11:37

going to guess that spider-man

11:39

no way home is next you would be correct you'd be

11:41

very correct 1.9 no

11:44

way that got nominated best picture it did not

11:46

know it should have it should have and ocean

11:48

though it is

11:50

an amazing film also you will note people listening

11:52

to this at home that I am saying should

11:54

have and not should of should have would have

11:56

could have instant feeling well of

11:58

course this gets into interesting questions

12:01

of descriptivist language

12:03

or pro-scriptivist language. Are you about to

12:05

talk about the evolution of vernacular? I

12:07

was. Because fuck that. Those

12:10

people lost me when they redefined the

12:12

word literally. The one language, the one

12:15

word in the English language, you absolutely

12:17

cannot redefine. And now it literally

12:19

means... You literally can. You literally can. I

12:21

can't even deal with that as a concept.

12:23

You literally can't. Whereas I literally... Yeah, I

12:25

hate it as well. But should of,

12:27

could of, would of. No, absolutely not. I mean, I'm

12:30

going to give this up for a bad lot because

12:32

I'm struggling. It's the Lion King.

12:37

It is 100, not the original, obviously. But

12:40

the 2019 remake, 1.6. Oh,

12:43

so we go down to the 1.6s? Oh,

12:45

sorry, no, I've missed one out. I've missed one

12:47

out. I apologize for this. Wait, wait, wait. Wait,

12:50

wait. Number eight. Is it a marvel?

12:52

No. It's not a marvel. Alright.

12:55

On any level. Is it a... Oh. Hang

12:58

on, what is it? Is it a Star War? No. It's

13:01

not a Star War. It can't be a Transformer. It's

13:04

not a Transformer. Is it an... It's not an

13:06

original film. No. No. Is

13:09

it? It's a sequel. Oh. The

13:11

fourth sequel. The fourth sequel? Yeah. They

13:14

didn't put the number in the title though. No. They

13:17

didn't put the number... Do I like this film? I don't know.

13:19

You like the director. Rosco Keniston. It took a long time to

13:22

make this film, an unusually long time. Oh,

13:24

uh, uh, uh. Several... I like my

13:26

shots. Several billion

13:28

years. Several billion. Million. Oh,

13:31

it's a Jurassic. Sorry, Alan. You're Jurassic-splaining

13:33

to me. It's a... It's Jurassic World,

13:35

Chris. It's Jurassic World. Is it Jurassic

13:37

World? Yes, it is. It's Jurassic World.

13:39

It is Jurassic World which made $1.67

13:41

billion. Alright, so that's at number seven

13:43

or eight? That's

13:45

at eight. That is

13:48

at number eight. So then Lion King's at number

13:50

nine. But Jurassic World, that didn't get a best

13:52

pitch nomination, surely. No. The Lion

13:54

King? No, it didn't. Lion King is at number

13:56

nine, yes. Number ten? Yes. Rounding

13:58

out the top ten? Yes. Is it a marvel? Yes.

14:02

It is a marvel. It is a marvel. Captain

14:04

Marvel? It's not Captain Marvel. Is it Age

14:06

of Ultron? No. No, but you were very

14:08

close. Yes. It is. In

14:11

fact, the Avengers. Endgame, Infinity War, the Avengers. One

14:15

point five two billion dollars. Age

14:18

of Ultron made one point four. Did it get a Best

14:20

Picture nomination? Did it fuck? No. Did

14:23

it fuck? Did it fuck? Shoot it.

14:26

No. So which of those top ten, so the top ten,

14:28

three of them got nominated, all the James Kent? Along

14:30

for the avatars, both of them. Definitely on board for both of those.

14:32

And obviously Titanic as well. I think

14:34

Infinity War could have been nominated for Best Picture. I

14:36

think it should have done as well, but then you were preaching to the choir

14:38

on that one of my films. But Helen, you're

14:40

absolutely right. Endgame. Because we said this at the

14:42

time. We even did remember that

14:44

we did that live sport especially at King's Place. We

14:46

did. Where people bought tickets to see us.

14:49

Just as they can whenever we're going on tour

14:51

in a couple weeks time. We

14:53

get alarmingly close to her. And

14:57

I had to be on my bonnet about this.

15:00

Because I thought that

15:02

it deserved the farewell lap,

15:05

lap of honour, victory parade that the Lord

15:08

of the Rings won. Yeah. Cowards.

15:10

That's what it was. You know why they didn't

15:12

do it? They didn't have the stones for it. They didn't have the

15:15

stones for it. Well half the floating body were ducked at that point.

15:17

That's true. It was tricky. Like, okay.

15:19

Okay, okay, okay. What won

15:22

Best Picture that year? Helen, tell me. It

15:24

came out in 2019. It

15:27

was at Parasite. Okay. Was

15:29

it Parasite? You've undermined my argument. I mean, it's a good

15:31

movie. It's a good movie. We've had some good movies in

15:33

recent years. We've had some good movies. But... I'm

15:36

going to double check. I'm going to double check. The

15:38

Oscar is in 2020. And be prepared. Even

15:41

if it is Parasite, I'm going to say

15:43

that Avengers Endgame is better because I'm committed.

15:46

Oh no. And I'm doing it. Best

15:48

Picture that year. The nominees were...

15:50

Oh, I love this. This is like the

15:52

Oscar announcement. The nominees are... The nominees

15:54

are... Uh-huh. Ferrari. I

15:58

mean, immediately. Yep. Go on. I love

16:00

that movie but gone. Gone.

16:09

Little women staying. Little women is staying and I

16:11

will fight you. Only because Florence Pugh dies and

16:13

I hail her bullets. Marriage story, I

16:15

think you can say. Get out of here! And

16:21

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. And of

16:23

course Parasite. So we have

16:25

like four spaces there to give to

16:27

Avengers Endgame. It's such a big film

16:29

but also 2019 we should

16:32

also nominate all the other Marvel

16:34

movies that came out that year.

16:36

So congratulations Best Picture nominee Captain

16:38

Marvel and congratulations Best Picture nominee

16:41

Spider-Man Far From Home. And

16:43

did Venom come out that year as well? No.

16:46

No, no. No, no. Spump will never be

16:49

nominated for an Oscar. I think we can pretty much say that. Oh

16:51

you say that now. You've just tempted fate. Yeah, why do we get

16:53

to the review section? Best Supporting Spump.

16:56

And then as Robert Downage, would you put him in

16:58

Best Actor or Best Supporting Actor? I would put

17:00

him in Best Actor because that could knock

17:03

out Joaquin Phoenix for Joaquin. She

17:05

loves it. We're doing

17:07

it again. We're relitigating Oscar history which is not what the

17:09

question was. Let's very, very quickly get back to the question.

17:11

This is a packed show we've got a lot to talk

17:13

about. So the question was which

17:16

of the films that made a billion dollars do you think should

17:18

have won Best Picture? Yeah, for me.

17:20

Or been nominated for Best Picture. Yes

17:23

Endgame. Yes, Endgame. Yes, Grosvenor.

17:26

Not Endgame. Infinity War.

17:29

And Infinity War as well, yes. Okay. That's

17:31

sort of people who think we're Marvel shills, a little bit

17:33

of a bonus. Is there anything that isn't Marvel? In that

17:36

top ten or just over a billion. Of

17:38

the 53 films I think that have made a billion dollars.

17:40

Oh boy. Who wants to get

17:42

a bet for Furious 7? I

17:44

mean I kind of do actually. Broke

17:47

Gun Maverick I would also say is

17:49

a good contender. I agree. It did

17:51

get nominated, didn't it? Okay, yeah,

17:53

fine. Then good. Well done. Iron

17:57

Man 3 is up there. Yes.

18:04

I'm just looking at

18:06

Aquaman and just tried to imagine the

18:08

Oscars nominating it. But Best

18:10

Picture nominee, Minions. Skyfall,

18:13

is there an argument to be made that Skyfall should

18:16

have been nominated for Best Picture? I

18:18

don't think so, as much as I love Skyfall, I

18:20

don't think it's a Best Picture nominee. I

18:22

don't believe it was. I don't believe it was. It

18:25

might have been. There have been more

18:27

embarrassing Best Picture nominees. It would

18:29

be fine. The

18:32

whole reason why, of course, why they expanded

18:34

the Best Picture category from five to whatever

18:36

it is now, nine or ten. Is the

18:38

Dark Knight. Dark Knight. Which didn't

18:40

make a billion dollars in its first release

18:42

but has since crept over the line. So

18:45

I'm going to throw that in there as well. I

18:47

don't believe the Dark Knight Rises should

18:49

have been nominated for Best Picture. So

18:51

I'm going to take that one out

18:53

of the running. So

18:55

that leaves us now with the likes of, yes,

18:57

53 movies. Trassic

19:00

World Dominion is the 53rd of

19:02

those films. There's

19:05

a whole bunch of really, really terrible

19:07

movies here. There's

19:09

a bunch of Transformers films, a couple of Fast and

19:12

Furious's. Disney

19:14

remakes. Disney remakes. I'm

19:16

struggling. I'm really struggling. Frozen. No.

19:20

Did Frozen get nominated? Not for Best Picture. Did it get

19:22

nominated for Best Animated? I assume so.

19:24

Yeah, it feels like it should have done

19:27

our best song. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'm struggling.

19:29

Black Panther got nominated, as we all know,

19:31

for Best Picture, the only Marvel movie

19:33

to be nominated for Best Picture. And

19:37

otherwise, I honestly, this is, it's

19:39

not a shit show at the factory but it's not far

19:42

off. It'll do it until one gets here. Yeah.

19:45

It's not a great testament to, you know,

19:47

modern cinema. We did an episode

19:50

of the ranking purely focused on the Billion Daughter Club and

19:52

we talked about how, yes, there's a lot of draws in

19:54

there but there's also a lot of great films, a lot

19:56

of great commercial films but Not a lot

19:58

of films I Think that would float Oscars. No

20:00

extra a weirdo. I

20:03

can. Weirdo. Ah Oscar, do

20:05

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20:09

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20:12

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20:18

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know for Guess who's We have two young

20:45

teens, the Benadir? guess. Kings.

20:48

Benadir is a wonderful I

20:50

was a seats. Duncan.

20:52

Phrases very carefully. I've the up and coming

20:54

but I think is Tom Allen. Don't you

20:57

think? I think he's arrived? I think is

20:59

right and I'm a riot act phrase I

21:01

should have used as a Tesla He has.

21:03

but it's it's Ah yes, Kinsey Benadir. He

21:05

has been knocking at door for a couple

21:07

years now. He was. He was most excellent

21:09

in one eye to Miami a couple of

21:11

years ago. Ah, he was great. He was

21:13

my favorite things about Barbie. The

21:16

he was very good and barbie. Billion Dollar

21:18

grossing, best picture nominated Barbie and he

21:20

was most recently of course in the

21:22

and You as well. He was one

21:24

the best things about. It's a

21:26

good invasion which in obsolete. We have

21:28

a strong opinions secret Invasion but we

21:30

liked him and his Welsh accent as

21:32

graphic. he's adopted a different accents and

21:34

for his new movie Bob Marley One

21:36

Love in which he plays ballpark. Why

21:41

I was eager to go: You're

21:43

gonna say tennis ssssss discusses it

21:45

is else. Play. A lot of football. The.

21:47

Not does he was was one Love isn't even

21:49

a scoring tennis so. Now.

21:53

With times with Guybrow look at it as a like

21:55

breakers. Yeah, I like there's other games. If you're one

21:57

game of think of the I may I see. One

22:00

Zero. Want to get to Tie breaker? Think it's One

22:02

zero. Six Two

22:04

Zero, Three Zero and and it's possible

22:07

we strayed off try new things. He

22:09

benadir is Bob Marley in Renaldo Marcus

22:11

Greens a biopic Bob Marley One Love

22:13

which focuses on a specific to your

22:15

period and bomb are these Life course

22:17

the great Jamaicans reggae singer and political

22:19

activists who passed were nineteen Eighty One

22:22

This focuses and two years was lived

22:24

in Ninety Seven Six Ninety Seven the

22:26

A. But for those he does a

22:28

biopic thing of going back into the

22:30

past as well and we sent along

22:32

among warm to. Interview Kings The Benadir.

22:35

In a London hotel room. Recently I was

22:37

there I was one person record folks when

22:39

pressed the source. Oh yeah absolutely. So the

22:41

sound levels are off. Blame me. If you

22:43

go kings the Benadir do. Please enjoy. With.

22:46

The Can Be Benedict. I'm Lisa. I'm

22:48

doing great. Man, I'm I'm happy to

22:50

be. I'm happy to be. Celebrating.

22:53

Bob and talking about Bob. I'm bringing

22:56

that is movie tonight and London with

22:58

his family. Is. Subdue

23:01

fulfilling. This is surreal feeling than

23:03

it some. Yeah I'm really

23:05

enjoyed it. A lack of sleep his of

23:07

notice on and that I just have that

23:10

if I forgot you know have been talking

23:12

about love So much sunlight. Oh my God.

23:14

This is one thing that I can. Talk.

23:16

He might have to stop me as I

23:18

can just gas of I you know, it's

23:21

been two years. Nearly as much he'll be

23:23

two years. That

23:25

that city and family. You.

23:27

Know they they gave their blessing and in

23:29

own and the and an up and of

23:31

them were Bob everyday listen and see him

23:34

in own and learn in the music and

23:36

just all about so I'm happy to be

23:38

it and thank you for having me ever

23:40

since I was the I just had Bob

23:42

Marley on the brain that of visit them

23:44

nothing but Bob Marley tracks for the last

23:47

like two three days array of adequate time

23:49

as good listen in suburban as a I

23:51

just lose yourself some much music are for

23:53

a new who Bob. Waffle.

23:55

i an idea of hub bub was in

23:58

them i don't even remember when i first

24:01

learnt of Bob because he's always been there and

24:03

I think that's a lot of people's experiences that

24:05

they know Bob, where they have an idea of

24:07

Bob and who Bob is,

24:09

but really it's an image and an idea

24:11

and the music and to get

24:14

to understand him as a human being and

24:16

as a man outside of that public

24:19

persona, outside of the universal

24:23

legendary status, to

24:25

get to understand about him as a man, to understand

24:27

that he was from the ghetto and he grew up

24:30

in Trentstown, to spend

24:32

time with the people who loved and knew

24:34

him, not just the family, but

24:36

Bob's friends, guys who knew Bob in

24:39

Trentstown when he was 13, 14 years old,

24:42

those were the people I spent time with

24:44

to learn about him, to learn about his

24:46

sensitivity, to learn about his toughness and

24:49

all of those colours Bob was so complex

24:52

and rich, Bob was

24:55

on a deep one and it's

24:57

been a joy of my

25:00

life, as I say professional life, but just

25:02

my life to get to spend

25:04

that much time with him and his family and

25:06

his friends, it's just been gorgeous. I'm

25:09

sure it's already happened for you in the moment since

25:11

you cut on this

25:13

movie for the final time, but when you

25:15

are out in public and when you're in a

25:17

party now and you hear a Bob Marley track,

25:20

what does that do to you? Does it take

25:22

you back to this process in a way that

25:24

obviously wouldn't have had before? I would have thought

25:26

that after we wrapped that I'd be, I

25:29

listen to Bob every day or every

25:31

other day. When I go on to

25:33

Spotify to put on shoes, every

25:36

other time I'll go to an album, listen

25:39

to Exodus this morning and Concrete

25:42

Jungle yesterday, so he's really stayed with

25:44

me. I love the music. I mean

25:46

Exodus is probably now one

25:49

of my favourite albums. I got a record player, someone got it

25:51

for me

25:54

as a gift before we started filming

25:56

and they sent me some vouchers for

25:59

a record shopping. in Brick Lane. And

26:01

I went down there the other day and I've got all of

26:03

Bob's records at home, so I've just been playing them on vinyl

26:05

for the first time. And I

26:09

love his music outside of... I'm

26:11

a fan. Mason So you previously portrayed this

26:13

guy called, I think, Bialik Obama? I'm not

26:15

sure. Bialik Obama Yeah, I'm the one that

26:17

said that. Mason And then there was this

26:19

other guy called Malcolm X. Bialik Malcolm X,

26:22

yeah. Mason So have

26:24

playing icons like that, did that

26:26

help prepare you in any way for this?

26:28

Bialik I think every job prepares you in

26:30

a way, you know, it's all experience. Bob

26:33

is an artist, you know, he's a

26:35

musical genius. And that, to

26:37

me, was very different to anything I've ever

26:39

done. So I'm checking Bob as an artist,

26:41

you know, one of the first things I

26:43

did before I auditioned was I was

26:45

on YouTube and I found, you know,

26:48

his performance at the Rainbow Theatre in

26:50

77 in London, Finsbury

26:53

Park, and I just got stuck on that for a few

26:55

days. And so, yeah,

26:57

he's the musical, it felt dangerous to me. I

26:59

was like, I ain't done this, you know, Bob

27:01

is a one off. Bob is one

27:05

of the most recognizable faces on the

27:07

planet. And he means so

27:10

much to so many people around the world and

27:12

in Jamaica, you know, it's really, but

27:14

you turn the volume down on that, you know, after

27:16

a while you go, I'm trying to, I'm trying to

27:19

understand Bob as a human, I need to understand what

27:21

his vulnerabilities were, what is, you know, who he was

27:23

in private. And so, I

27:26

forgot what your question was because I was rambling. No,

27:29

playing Obama and Marker

27:31

Metcalf prepare you for that. They all

27:33

prepare you, they all prepare you, you

27:35

know, Barbie prepares you, Secret Invasion prepares

27:38

you, Vera prepares you, all the plays

27:40

prepare you, it's all a journey

27:42

one leads to the next. And, you know,

27:44

it's time to learn from all of it,

27:46

you know, did I remember when I first

27:48

left drama school, I was doing, you know,

27:50

bits and bobs of radio and a lot of

27:52

theater workshops, I used to do a lot of

27:55

theater workshops, I play readings, and you get

27:57

a little £150 for the day and you get

27:59

to spend time. with a

28:01

writer who was developing their work

28:03

for the first time. And you

28:05

learn from that. I'm really bad

28:07

at cold reading, reading off

28:09

a script. In those auditions where they give you the pages

28:11

on the day, I can't look at the page and then

28:14

act. I can't do that. So you

28:16

learn. And I still need to work on that. So

28:19

you're always learning something and

28:21

hopefully trying to improve

28:24

on where you may have made mistakes the last

28:26

time and trying to get better at something. I

28:29

think what I learned during Bob was

28:31

looking back. I was like, maybe I should have taken a few

28:33

more breaks. Because you couldn't

28:35

work in a way where it's not productive.

28:38

You're just working from a place of stress

28:40

and nerves and not wanting to

28:42

mess it up. And actually taking time to

28:44

look after yourself and taking time to watch

28:46

some football. I

28:50

watch Match of the Day and have a

28:52

little glass of red wine. It's not going

28:54

to be, you know, and just relax. Because

28:56

you reset. So you emotionally reset and you

28:58

can come in, recharge them, be better for

29:00

everyone else. So that's what I learned on

29:02

Bob. You know, it's work ethic. Bob's work

29:04

ethic was, you know, wasn't

29:07

human. He was up, crack

29:09

a dawn before the sun, strumming,

29:11

you know, creating, running, football. They

29:13

were in the studio in the

29:16

afternoon all the way till 3 in the

29:18

morning. They sleep two hours up again, rinse,

29:20

repeat. They were on it. You

29:22

know, Bob was this idea that

29:25

we have, you know, in the west of

29:27

this chill out, rust of it, you know,

29:29

it's really, Bob was intense during

29:31

the creation of that album. When

29:34

it came to music, he was a

29:36

serious man. He was a very, very serious man, you

29:38

know. And he had another side. He had a great

29:40

sense of humor and he was fun to be around

29:42

and he was like, but you know, I learned about

29:44

Bob through talking to the people who loved and knew

29:47

him was that. He was big

29:49

into self-battling before it became a

29:51

thing. He was about uplifting

29:53

people. So if he

29:56

was here, you know, people would say, be like, what you want?

29:58

What are you doing? What do you love? Like, find out. Who

30:00

are you? Like he was that guy. He was on a

30:02

deep one, you know? And

30:04

so, yeah, it's

30:07

been a joy to get to learn about him in that way. Obviously,

30:10

you put in so much work to make

30:12

sure you get the details right before you

30:14

start shooting. What was Day

30:16

One like for you? Did you feel

30:19

like you had it from the get

30:21

go? Was there a day on

30:23

set, a moment on set where things really

30:25

clicked for you? Day One shooting or Day

30:27

One prep? Day One shooting. Day One shooting

30:29

was very intense. We went straight into the

30:31

studio. We did a natural mystic scene and

30:33

then the next day was the Junior Marvin

30:35

scene. So we were going straight into two

30:37

really big ensemble bits in the movie that

30:40

involved music and that involved Bob in a

30:42

very particular state. And I

30:44

was playing him very intensely because

30:46

that's what I heard. It was, you

30:48

know, he tells them, we have to

30:50

work. We have to work. You

30:53

know, when he's challenging Junior Marvin,

30:55

it's really about I'm employing you

30:57

to come and join us in

31:00

the creation of this music, which

31:02

is so deeply connected to our

31:04

spirituality and our message that

31:07

I want to check that

31:09

when you're coming in, you know what this

31:11

is about. So

31:13

Bob, you know, you read those scenes and they read

31:15

like, oh, they're just having fun in the studio. But

31:17

from the research, I was like, no, that's not what

31:19

Bob was on. If we're going to do these scenes,

31:22

I'm going to play him intense. So

31:24

I was intense and I think it surprised

31:26

a lot of people because, you know, a

31:28

lot of people don't associate Bob or necessarily

31:30

know that about Bob. So

31:32

it was intense. It took me a few hours

31:34

to settle in because all the family were there

31:36

and there was a lot of people watching, you

31:38

know, behind the monitor. So at

31:41

the same time, that was what was great. You

31:43

know, after that day, having all

31:45

the family there and having Neville Garrick there

31:47

was Bob's close friend and artistic director. That

31:50

was my safety net. That was the

31:52

blessing of all blessings. You know, first

31:54

of all, there's no movie without the

31:56

family, but second of all, to have

31:58

a process. where they're there and

32:01

so if you ever feel like you

32:04

don't know Saturn or you're feeling like you just

32:06

asked Neville because Neville was there with Bob

32:09

and trust me Neville and

32:11

Ziggy if they didn't like

32:14

something they're going to tell you and I

32:16

really really needed

32:18

that there's too much gas in

32:20

sometimes too much people just blowing smoke and I'm

32:22

like I don't need that I need you to

32:25

tell me when it doesn't feel good when it

32:27

feels all right and then we can have a

32:29

conversation about how to improve on it you know

32:31

how can we improve on it and oftentimes you

32:34

know if a scene didn't feel like it was working

32:37

we just go what would Bob say how'd

32:39

Bob feel about this scene is Bob's

32:41

voice being fully reflected in what

32:44

we're doing here and if the answer was

32:46

no well then let's go back let's go

32:48

check in with him and we'll put on

32:50

some of his interviews we'll put on some

32:52

of his talking and we'll listen and we'll

32:54

find it you know it was about for

32:57

me the work that I could do leading

32:59

up to it was like to try and

33:01

absorb as much of his language and his

33:03

words as I could and his daughter Sadella

33:05

sent me files you know that only the

33:07

family have of Bob talking for hours and

33:09

hours in interviews like these with people that

33:12

never got released so

33:14

I came in with a

33:16

huge understanding of Bob's spiritual,

33:18

emotional, political, musical point of

33:20

view and so we had

33:22

some great discussions and you

33:24

know it was about triple

33:26

quadruple check everything before we

33:28

move on and and Neville

33:30

and Ziggy made sure you

33:32

know you mentioned the language there

33:34

and I know that you spent a lot of

33:37

time studying absorbing the

33:39

patois language that Bob speaks

33:41

in was there a certain phrase

33:43

that you had to get yourself into that

33:45

character sometimes yeah but one

33:47

of them I can't say because it's it's

33:51

a cuss word that's my favorite word

33:53

and I said it all the time and they've

33:55

had to take it out because we need children

33:58

to come and see this is a fair film

34:00

where you can bring your grandma and your

34:02

granddad and you can bring kids. So I

34:04

was, you know, and I appreciate that. Bob

34:06

would have wanted everyone to come and, you

34:08

know, Bob wanted to include everyone. That's why

34:10

you got songs like Three Little Birds and

34:12

then you got the Hard-Edge, Concrete Jungle and

34:14

Uprising and Survival and, you know, and the

34:16

B-side of Exodus is Love songs. Bob was

34:18

about all of it, you know, so. But

34:22

yeah, he says so many wonderful things. Yeah.

34:24

Bob told an interview one time, you

34:27

know, he's talking to her and

34:29

he said, you got to check your subconscious self, you

34:32

know, check your subconscious self and be

34:34

still and listen, you

34:36

know, and you find the answer you need. And I

34:39

love that, you know, there's a simplicity and a depth

34:41

all at the same time, you know, Bob was on a deep

34:43

one, man. One thing, a little

34:46

detail that I sort of noticed as I

34:48

watched the film, in a

34:50

couple of scenes, Bob was reading Haile

34:52

Selassie's The Imperial Majesty and then also

34:54

Marcus Garvey. Did you read those books?

34:57

Did that help get you into that

34:59

character? Yeah, in a way,

35:01

I read everything. But at some point,

35:04

you got, you know, one of the

35:06

major acting lessons I learned, you know,

35:08

in the last five, six years was,

35:10

you know, you can overburden yourself with

35:12

backstory to the point where, you

35:15

know, it can just become too much. So there's

35:17

certain things you just need to have an understanding

35:19

of. What's important is

35:21

to understand how much those books

35:23

meant to Bob, you know,

35:25

how much they meant to him and

35:28

the significance of Africa in

35:30

his life. And Marcus Garvey

35:32

and Haile Selassie, like that's

35:34

where Bob found his safety

35:36

and his identity, you know,

35:39

Bob would hold his locks and say, this is

35:41

my identity. You know, this is who I

35:44

am. And his

35:46

spirituality, His connection to

35:48

music and football and his community and his

35:50

people, that's where Bob found safety. You Know,

35:52

these guys, they didn't have therapists they can

35:55

go to, you know, and talk, you know?

35:57

it wasn't one of those ones. It was.

36:00

For ios for them and they found

36:02

in the music and in God and

36:04

them that was beautiful turn to get

36:07

really secure and that and understand dealing

36:09

with spiritual guy you know and I'm

36:11

so yeah yeah. On. My favorite

36:13

lines in the movie At It it's spoken

36:16

by The Silences v Tissues and Countless is

36:18

the best at a Bus and. She.

36:20

Says sometimes the messenger has to become

36:23

the message didn't. In

36:25

this respect for you with this film

36:28

d Feel like the messenger here. Know.

36:30

Why take from no not. Oh wow I love

36:33

while of a bad as is that the goodwill

36:35

and the love of Bob is was gonna bring

36:37

people to see this. I was Bob was in

36:39

service you know. He was in service

36:41

to something deeper. That's why when

36:43

you watch him on stage there's a

36:45

magnetism visit energy that you can't explain,

36:48

can't copy and me com mimic him.

36:50

he can't do that at Caesars. Spirit

36:52

and and family and I spoke about

36:54

animal of that Bob really in on

36:56

to to Bob's five seven I'm six

36:58

to but we all agreed that he

37:00

can't copy him. But what we're trying

37:02

to do here. Is. To kind

37:04

of create on almost love led to him.

37:06

You. Know to find his spare as

37:09

an acknowledgement from the family above.

37:11

I'm. In I had his

37:13

own struggles in his own suffering he came from to

37:15

go. And. He fum music. As

37:18

a way of our. Of.

37:20

of of connect him to something in and

37:22

I feel like. I was

37:24

in service to the family

37:26

and bumps friends and Bobs

37:28

community. Because. They love him.

37:30

You know we spend time an amulet.

37:32

These people love him. Their. Whole

37:35

Lives. Since. Bob's gone have

37:37

been a by him. And they still

37:39

love him and there were tears and blaster

37:41

and find Enough about what I mean they

37:43

said so much so I just so really

37:45

on it and privilege to be in service

37:47

of the family. And. And

37:49

up my job was to in the best

37:51

way to I could. Make.

37:54

sure that they understood die was ready to break

37:57

my back for this you know and and that

37:59

a didn't know everything or

38:01

anything and I needed that

38:03

help and so I became a real

38:05

community thing you know normally you just get your character

38:07

and your measurement you make your character but with this

38:10

I found Bob Froodham so yeah. You

38:12

talk a bit about Bob's spirit and

38:14

spirituality when I watch this film and

38:17

I see performing it feels like

38:19

you're getting lost in it is that how

38:21

it felt to you and when

38:24

Vanada called cut did

38:26

we able to what was the aftermath of

38:28

that like especially in the performances because it

38:30

feels like you're doing

38:32

it with your whole body and

38:34

your energies. Energizes you yes no

38:36

I love those days on stage

38:38

because we play James Brown to

38:40

warm up you know we

38:43

keep it moving you it gives you

38:45

energy his music gives you energy so

38:47

I was like they're like you

38:49

okay can we just do one more

38:51

is like do ten more I don't care do

38:53

ten more you know. There's

38:56

talk in the movie about music having

38:58

the power for change which is absolutely

39:00

right. Have there been any lyrics that

39:02

have not necessarily be Bob Marley lyrics

39:04

that have really resonated with you on

39:06

a level and proven that

39:09

to you? All of his songs the

39:11

joy of this was getting to really

39:14

study all of his music from

39:16

the beginning and I fell in

39:18

love with his bedroom tapes you

39:20

know there's some recordings of Bob

39:23

where he's you know working on

39:25

songs that were never released you know like

39:27

jailbreaker and jumped him and you can hear

39:29

him you know in his rough

39:31

tone in his rough voice and then

39:33

he has banner in between and I really

39:35

studied those tapes you know and I realized

39:38

that this is a guy's a

39:40

poet and he he was a

39:42

genius and he he wrote so

39:45

many incredible songs not one not

39:47

two not five not ten Pierre

39:50

them like it was so many

39:52

and to do that like

39:55

how many people can do that you know

39:57

like to be able to create that little

40:00

Who. The commitment. You.

40:02

Know your spend ninety nine point nine per

40:04

cent your time and a kind of meditation

40:06

and the kind of isolation to find that.

40:09

And so that's what I learned about him

40:11

going to wake up and read somewhere that

40:13

as as a whole. I'm as

40:15

a whole life's that went into all of

40:17

songs as a laptop I have to ask

40:20

you about this small movie may have ah

40:22

it's called bobby Heenan but it made me

40:24

made a few when few dollars in and

40:26

at one point three. Wilde

40:30

completely wiped out on watching that movie.

40:32

I had so many I can't believe

40:35

Gotta go away but this moments when

40:37

you're filming it did you feel any

40:39

at at. And is if

40:41

a spot and with everyone hates.

40:45

A new don't know how many seams got

40:47

caught. oh no I know to say that

40:49

south use what's a man I'm gonna miss.

40:51

This is wowed and it could have been

40:53

wilder he knows by it was I'm a

40:56

thing every scene you know we just well

40:58

I really like really said I was a

41:00

career was kind of doesn't make sense but

41:02

a member sand and grass and to us

41:04

that. What's. Worse

41:06

is tests commitment to miss.

41:10

And. It shouldn't make sense when it does because

41:12

everyone so committed and now the only job of

41:14

ever been on where people come in on their

41:16

days off. Of people coming in

41:18

on their days off just to be about

41:21

in Oak. So so much fun so much

41:23

fun and said let you create an in

41:25

own find things and the reason I loved

41:27

or dissonance that out Some cut scenes are

41:30

so fun at and others are them. I

41:32

auditioned cracking up. In

41:34

I enjoyed Warehouse In, enjoyed soon and have

41:37

enjoyed Watson up and three or four times

41:39

to says you Bob and Hundred Nine the

41:41

same day. Non. Same babe Ah

41:43

so Oppenheimer two or three times and the

41:46

same Bobby. For your four times tv been

41:48

at it this has been great things was

41:50

it has less toxic as. okay

41:53

that was kinsey benadir we will be reviewing

41:55

a bob marley a one love later on

41:57

in the show right now in tennessee this

42:00

week's movie news and thank Christ there

42:02

actually is some movie news and a

42:05

lot of it is surrounding my beloved

42:07

MCU which after a wobbly 2023 I

42:09

think is setting themselves up for a

42:11

strong 2024

42:15

and more specifically 2025 because yesterday came

42:18

the announcement that

42:25

the Fantastic Four have been cast.

42:27

The Fantastic Four have been found,

42:30

Marvel's first family. Who are they?

42:32

Tell the good folks. Taylor

42:36

Swift fan Evan Moss-Backrack will be

42:38

playing Benjamin Grimm. Isn't

42:42

he the cousin thing?

42:44

He's the cousin thing. He's

42:46

Richie. He's Richie. He'll

42:51

be showing cuz and clobbering time and awful

42:53

lot. Hands, corners, forks, whatever you want. That's

42:56

very exciting because he's having a proper moment

42:58

at the moment and I'm very there for

43:00

it. I have an Evan Moss-Backrack t-shirt that

43:02

I'm going to be wearing on our tour.

43:04

Amazing. Anyway there are three other

43:07

people who are cast. Yeah there are. So who's

43:09

playing Sue Storm Helen? Sue Storm will be

43:11

Vanessa Kirby which I

43:13

think is good casting. She is very cool. She

43:15

is cool. She is visible though. Yeah so you should have

43:17

cast John Cena. Yeah

43:20

but maybe she'll just stand really really still.

43:22

Like Drax. We won't be able to see her. Eating

43:26

a Sargon nut of course. Indeed and

43:28

then the Master of Puppets himself Joseph

43:31

Quinn. Okay so this is the one

43:33

that I need to be not

43:35

talked around on because I have no strong opinions

43:37

in this guy whatsoever. I have never seen Stranger

43:40

Things and I'll be completely honest with the folks

43:42

listening at home. I never will and yes I

43:44

know it's probably in my wheelhouse. It's fine. I

43:47

still haven't finished last year's MasterChef to professionals.

43:49

I have a lot of teaming to get

43:51

here. Anyway I hear

43:53

he's very good in it. Yeah but I look at him

43:55

and I don't get

43:57

the... Obviously Sarah has Halley

44:00

Finn, who is the casting director at Marvel, and

44:02

Kevin Feige and his team, and Matt Shachman, the

44:04

director of the Fantastic Four, will have seen this

44:06

guy. So they haven't just looked at a picture

44:08

from the internet and gone, nah, hell no. Yeah.

44:10

So he's obviously really, really impressed him in, I

44:13

presume, chemistry tests and physics tests and biology tests

44:15

and all the stuff you have to do to

44:17

get a role these days. Feeding off lots of

44:19

American men, all the stuff you have to do.

44:21

Will he have the mullet though? I think that's

44:23

maybe what puts him over the air. What is

44:25

that? Why are you... What mullet? What

44:28

mullet? The Eddie Munster thing? No. Oh,

44:31

he plays Eddie Munster. No, Munster. Eddie Munster

44:33

though. Oh, okay. In Stranger Things, he does have a mullet set

44:35

in the 80s. This is not set in the 80s as

44:37

far as we know, although there was speculation it's set

44:39

in the 60s. I mean, it looks to be absolutely

44:41

set in the 60s. Yeah, well, from that picture, we

44:43

should talk about that. But no, here's

44:46

the thing, the sort of Gen

44:48

Z girlies have gone absolutely mad

44:50

for him. So he may not

44:53

be your conception of like super

44:55

handsome, super cool dude. But he

44:57

literally last summer when Stranger Things

45:00

4 came out, suddenly find himself getting mobbed

45:02

in the street. He is an ax man.

45:04

I'm exactly the same. But finally, Helen, who's

45:07

the daddy? It's

45:09

Pedro Pascal. Because if you need a daddy,

45:11

you're going to get Pedro Pascal. Oh, yes. I

45:14

believe he's even a zaddy, but I still don't understand

45:16

what that is, even after Ben tried to explain it to

45:18

me. I still don't understand. Did either of you think for one

45:20

second, maybe possibly it would ever be Krasinski? I

45:23

thought for a second around the time of Doctor Strange.

45:26

Yeah, when he was actually. I haven't really thought it

45:28

very much. You didn't think they'd carry that on? I

45:31

don't know. My feeling is that no,

45:33

that I was a little glimpse into

45:35

worlds and characters were unlikely to see

45:37

again. So

45:39

no. Also, I think

45:42

that he probably... This is really interesting.

45:44

So Pedro Pascal,

45:47

there were lots of rumours. Krasinski was never really

45:49

rumoured to be in the running. The

45:51

name Adam Driver, does that mean anything to you guys?

45:54

Adam Driver had been hotly linked

45:56

with Reed Richards. If anyone doesn't know who we're

45:58

talking about, then Jesus Christ, I'm so sorry. We

46:00

should lay this out first. So fantastic

46:02

for in case you don't know they

46:04

were they are Reed Richards who is

46:06

the world's Smartest or maybe even the

46:08

universe is smartest man And they do

46:10

like their superlatives don't they they do

46:12

and he he can stretch his body

46:14

Bendy's kesherooni they go into space because

46:17

reasons and they go into space and get bombarded by

46:20

cosmic rays and It transforms

46:22

their bodies. Yeah, so Reed Richards

46:24

can stretch his lady friend's

46:27

Wife, you know not to give too much

46:30

way. I'm sure I don't whether they're gonna be married in this or not Sue

46:32

storm she becomes the invisible girl later

46:35

on the invisible woman, you know why she's invisible

46:38

Patriarchy. Yeah, but I think she also can create

46:41

force fields and she can do all kinds

46:43

of things with invisibility Johnny storm

46:45

her younger brother who is a hothead is a

46:47

literal hothead because he is a human torch and

46:49

he can become Fiery and he

46:51

can fly and he shouts flame on and he flies

46:53

around And then

46:55

Ben Grimm who is the actual astronaut

46:57

in this little a little team He

47:01

becomes a giant orange

47:03

rock monster who is super strong

47:05

And he's called the thing which is

47:07

weird because Joseph Quinn is obviously playing the human

47:10

torch and he is the rock monster I

47:13

mean more of a heavy metal monster really. I mean

47:16

that's technically true And

47:18

it's not to do him who's metal so indeed so it's

47:21

Look, I think everybody out there has probably

47:23

seen one of the other adaptations Hopefully

47:27

not the 2015 one and

47:29

this will hopefully be something that

47:31

does them justice within the MCU and

47:33

and although maybe not because

47:36

as we alluded to already there are Rumors

47:40

there are signs and this picture

47:42

might suggest that this is set in the

47:45

sort of 60s of the original comics And

47:48

would that mean that we're talking about Starting

47:50

their story in a different universe and then bringing

47:53

them into the MCU with whatever event is going

47:55

to bring all these Disparate strands together.

47:57

Well, I mean, obviously we're gonna get onto the

47:59

double trailer in a little bit but in

48:01

terms of the universe hopping there seems to be a lot like going

48:03

around. Yeah, it's a coming. It's a

48:05

coming. Yeah, there's lots of stuff

48:07

here. So the

48:09

casting was announced yesterday via this

48:12

little cartoon and people immediately

48:14

looked at the cartoon and so it's them together

48:17

lounging around because they are a family. Reid

48:19

is the older, he's the dad and

48:21

Ben is the irascible uncle and Johnny's

48:24

a little cousin run around. In

48:26

some stories they even do have kids as

48:28

well. Yes, they do. The Richards. They

48:30

do. And I would honestly be open to

48:33

that on the screen. I think that'd be a cool thing

48:35

to play. We haven't received that very much but I don't

48:37

think we will in this film anyway. I don't think we

48:39

will because Franklin Richards is frankly a very, very powerful character

48:41

and deserves a bit of

48:43

a build up I think to be honest but we

48:45

shall see. You never know. But anyway,

48:48

as someone pointed out Ben

48:51

is reading a copy of I think Time

48:53

Magazine and it is from December 1963. You

48:55

read about it in Time Magazine. Time Magazine,

48:57

James. Thank you very much. And

49:00

it is Linda B. Johnson on

49:02

the cover of this in the

49:04

illustration. So that would seem to set this in 1963 which

49:07

is of course when they were created. Now I

49:10

don't think that they're going to do the Captain

49:12

Marvel thing of, oh yes, before Tony Stark there

49:14

was someone who was super powerful. We just forgot

49:17

to tell you about them. Never talked about it. Yeah.

49:20

And they disappeared. I don't think they're going to do

49:22

that again. So apart from anything else, part of their story has

49:24

always been that these guys are superheroes, that

49:26

they are admired, that they are known.

49:30

And that was always a really interesting point of

49:32

contrast to the X-Men for example which is

49:35

a useful thing to have if you're going to have a universe with

49:37

both of them which you know what? We are.

49:41

So I think it makes sense

49:43

to have a different timeline, have a different

49:45

reality for them at least as again as a

49:47

launching pad and then I think there's going

49:49

to be a crisis on the Infant Earth if you will

49:52

to bring a lot of these people together. You

49:54

lying? It is

49:57

exciting times. No more rumors about the Fantastic

49:59

Four novel. we can just focus on

50:01

the Dune rumors. The Dune rumors? Oh my

50:03

god, the crossover of champions. It'll

50:06

be fine, it'll be okay. We'll get through the Dune

50:08

rumors as well. Plus, you know, good

50:11

casting all round I'm saying and you know, we've

50:13

got the Fox Mr Fantastic, which is a nice

50:15

tone of phrase. Very quick, Ebermas Backrack, of course,

50:18

one of the growing number of people who's actually played

50:20

now two roles in the MCU. Can

50:22

you name the first? No. No. Shaming you

50:26

both. I mean, he was micro microchip

50:28

in the first season of the Punisher. I'm

50:31

okay with not remembering that. I do

50:33

remember that now, but I've yeah,

50:36

I didn't even finish the punisher.

50:39

In the Punisher, I'm sorry, I was busy. John Bernthal was

50:41

on screen. I'm supposed to look at the other guy, please.

50:43

Be sensible. Be

50:45

sensible. Be sensible. All

50:47

right, let's move on now to other stuff. A

50:50

whole bunch of trailers because it was Super Bowl

50:52

weekend at the weekend. And

50:55

I stayed up and watched most

50:57

of them live using the Wives game

50:59

pass. So I watched a lot of American

51:01

commercials as well. You know, lots of good

51:03

stuff there. Lots of big names. My God,

51:06

big names. But they

51:08

also had some big trailers. I guess

51:10

we had we had Wicked. We

51:12

had the new Kingdom of

51:14

the Planet of the Apes movie. We had

51:17

Twisters. So excited. And for

51:19

that alone is better than the original movie.

51:22

And we had Deadpool and Wolverine, which we

51:24

now know is the title of

51:27

Deadpool 3 as heavily hinted and

51:29

fact, I think accidentally leaked by

51:31

Hugh Jackman about two years ago.

51:34

So should we talk about those? Should we talk about

51:36

them? Which which order do you want? And God said

51:38

that and Kong, the new empire came out yesterday

51:41

as well. It looks absolutely fucking bonkers.

51:43

My own statement for some reason. It's

51:45

hilarious. It's like colliding with terms

51:48

of meatballs. Oh, no, they're hitting all the international

51:51

landmarks first. Where

51:54

do they emerge? The pyramids. Of course, of

51:56

course they emerge from the pyramids. Yeah, that

51:58

makes sense. at the end

52:00

because I've only seen it on a very, very small

52:02

screen. Oh, at the beginning and the end of the

52:04

screen. They're towering over the pyramids. Yeah, they do because they're

52:06

very big. They are very big. Yeah. That

52:09

looks bonkers and a lot of fun. I had

52:12

a good time. Twisters, I'm super here for. I know

52:14

you don't like the original. I love it. I have

52:16

so much love in my heart for it. I need

52:18

to revisit the original. I'm not saying it's

52:20

clever, but it is big. All good? No,

52:23

I haven't. It has good people in it. It has

52:25

very good people in it. It has very good people. It has

52:27

a very deep supporting bench. And one

52:29

of the only things I remember about it is in

52:31

this trailer, which is the little balls going up into

52:33

the. That

52:35

was the whole, you know, film. Yeah.

52:38

But what's great is last time they

52:40

were trying to get the little bally

52:42

things up into a twister so they

52:44

could get really good information about what

52:47

makes twisters happen and therefore better early

52:49

warning systems and everything else. This time

52:51

they appear to think that they can

52:53

stop them from happening by getting the

52:55

little balls into the twister. Yes. And

52:58

then they're going to use weather as a weapon. I'm

53:01

just I'm so amused by that. I'm also

53:03

really amused by the fact that Glenn Powell

53:05

seems to have combined the Bill Paxson and

53:07

Carrie Elman characters in one person, which is

53:10

exciting. And I just like

53:12

that guy's just pure charm. It's going to

53:14

be so stupid and I can't wait. Yeah. He

53:17

is great. And we, you know, I've we've been talking about

53:19

Glenn Powell needs to be a bigger star for many, many

53:21

years. I think this is his year. I think this

53:23

is it. I think it's happening at last. But

53:26

you has kind of set him in

53:28

Sydney Sweeney on a on a path,

53:30

which is weird because it's air

53:33

quotes only made what? Two hundred million dollars

53:35

worldwide. But because of the sleeper nature of

53:38

a success, you know, it's probably made another

53:40

million while I've been talking on Valentine's

53:42

Day. I think they re-released it. Yeah.

53:45

Yeah. Yeah. I think

53:47

that and hit man and twisters. He looks

53:49

really, really darn cool in a day. Edgar

53:52

Jones looks good as well. And

53:54

Ramos. Ramos. Yeah. There's

53:57

good people. Lee Isaac Chung, the director of

53:59

Minery. immediately taken the big paycheck to

54:01

do this. I admire that. Who's gonna

54:04

blame him? Why not go for it?

54:06

But if you can also make a movie with

54:09

a bit of rigor and drop it

54:11

in the summer season, then yeah, go for it. But

54:14

we all know why twisters are formed. It's

54:16

to bring people to the magical land of

54:18

Oz, which brings people to Wicked. Something

54:21

wicked this way comes. Yeah.

54:24

Indeed. I mean, it's very,

54:26

very CG heavy. I

54:29

didn't love the two notes I

54:31

heard of Defying Gravity. I'm

54:34

on record as a massive Cynthia Rebo fan.

54:36

I think she's incredible. But

54:38

so far, I'm not there.

54:40

Defying Gravity. Another thing, of course, it has

54:43

in common with twisters. That's it, right? I

54:45

am intrigued, but not necessarily

54:47

yet sold on this one.

54:50

And it's an interesting decision to break it into

54:52

two. So basically, the first half of this is

54:54

essentially going to be a prequel

54:57

to The Wizard of Oz. And then

55:00

part two will essentially be The Wizard

55:02

of Oz from the witch's point of view.

55:04

Can we talk about that decision? That

55:06

strikes me. I can't decide whether it's just madness

55:08

or it's hubris or what it is. You're just

55:10

jealous because they did Les Mis as one film

55:12

and you wanted it as two. That is 100%

55:14

the case. But

55:19

musical theatre fans will often tell you Wicked is

55:21

their favourite musical. It is clearly, he says speaking

55:23

for all musical theatre fans. I

55:25

mean, look, it's no sex, but what am I going to tell you? It's

55:28

great. It's great. It is great. I've

55:31

gone to see it. It's very, very good. But does

55:33

it need two films? I don't know. I need two

55:35

films now because as someone pointed out, this has dropped the Wicked part one.

55:38

Well, I think that's because Dead Reckoning part one

55:40

did not do well. And so now part one

55:42

is box of the poison. Again, again. No, no,

55:44

no, no. Again, we have to point out

55:46

that Dead Reckoning did well. It just didn't do well. Relative

55:48

to expectations. Yes. But I do think,

55:51

and this is something I genuinely think is

55:53

true. I think putting in retrospect, putting part

55:55

one in your film title is going to

55:57

turn off a large chunk of the

55:59

demographic. because people don't want to see half a film. Remember when

56:01

Dune part one was just Dune when it came out? So

56:04

it was retconned to part one, that's the way to do

56:06

it. Not even retconned, they had it at the end. Yeah,

56:08

they did actually have it at the end of the film.

56:10

But it was retconned at the end of the film, Helen.

56:12

Began the film as Dune, ended the film as Dune part

56:14

one. That's not retconned, yeah, whatever. Episode four, wasn't it? Wasn't

56:17

it episode four added to Star Wars after it came out?

56:19

Absolutely true, yeah. Yeah,

56:21

look, I have notes about this. I'm

56:23

not sure about the way it looks. I'm not

56:25

sure about the way it's lit. It's extremely dark and I

56:27

don't know that we needed it to be, but

56:30

they look good, they can both sing, I'm

56:33

optimistic. That's the bare minimum

56:35

we expect. You know, you

56:37

want it to be great. And like in Twisters

56:40

when the little balls go out, they're flying my pretties,

56:42

fly, fly. I mean, we do

56:44

have some scary monkeys. We do. Speaking

56:46

of scary monkeys. Hey. I

56:49

mean, there's a librarian would obviously tell you,

56:52

but I will allow it. Close

56:54

enough. Yeah, Kingdom

56:56

of the Planet of the Apes. You know, I don't

56:58

always love this franchise, but I quite like this

57:01

trailer. It was interesting. Talk to me about that

57:03

very, very briefly. So of the rise,

57:05

dawn, war, he tries very hard because I can

57:07

never get those three in the right order. Which

57:11

ones are you not like? The two

57:13

sequels I didn't think are, look, I

57:17

don't love animal stories. You know this

57:19

about me. You do hate living things. No, in

57:21

terms of like animation, I just find it slightly

57:24

alienating to be expected to follow the

57:26

adventures of a rabbit or whatever. I

57:29

like Zootropolis or whatever fine, but

57:32

they're never gonna be up there with my favorite

57:34

animation. You're an animal. And it's

57:36

kind of the same with Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes or

57:38

the Planet of the Apes generally. I also

57:41

have a problem with the fact that all

57:43

female characters in the

57:45

sequels in that trilogy could

57:47

be entirely summed up by the word nurturing.

57:50

And I don't think that's nuanced or

57:52

interesting or good or clever or

57:54

good writing. And I have a

57:56

bit of a problem with that. On the eight side, there's a

57:58

real problem there as well. Well,

58:01

human and ape. There are

58:03

no interesting female characters in those

58:05

sequels. There's a mute child in

58:07

war. Oh great. Anyway, way to

58:10

prove my point. Okay. There's

58:12

a... Oh, wait, wait. One of

58:14

the movies, there's a background character who

58:17

definitely looks to have a great and interesting

58:19

inner life. The orangutan is a girl. Which

58:22

one? The orangutan is a girl. Yes, but isn't... Morris.

58:25

And is summed up by the word nurturing.

58:27

Morris. Yeah. I

58:30

did not know that. Anyway, Kingdom

58:32

of the Planet of the Apes looks like Freya Allen

58:34

from The Witcher has his role, which is exciting. It's also

58:36

going to her. Indeed. And, you

58:39

know, there seems to be a story there. I'm interested to

58:41

see how it goes. I'm not, you know... Yeah.

58:44

Weirdly, the CG doesn't look as good as it

58:46

did in the previous ones. What happened there? What

58:48

happened there, folks? Maybe it'll

58:50

be good when it's finished. Hopefully it'll have

58:52

the same team as Quantum Mania. Oh

58:55

boy. What? Bring it home. Bring it home. At least

58:57

it'll be finished. Hey, come on

58:59

now. That's harsh but accurate. Let's

59:03

move on to... I think this was... This

59:05

made the biggest splash of all the trailers

59:07

at the Super Bowl. Apparently it's

59:09

one of the most viewed trailers of all time. So

59:11

I would say yes. Yeah, that's mainly me. So,

59:13

I've replayed it a whole bunch of

59:15

times trying to spot stuff in the

59:18

background. Is Deadpool and Wolverine the return

59:20

of Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool, aka

59:23

Wade Wilson? Yeah. I

59:25

don't know. Is it more importantly?

59:27

But Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, although

59:30

we don't actually get to see him in either this

59:32

trailer or the Super Bowl 32nd teaser, you get to

59:36

see his face out of

59:38

focus. But you don't get to see him.

59:41

You get a flash of yellow. You get a flash

59:43

of yellow. It's a very, very, very funny end

59:45

to this trailer where he or

59:48

someone has clearly smashed

59:51

Deadpool through a wall of some kind

59:53

or what looks like actually the 20th

59:55

Century Fox logo. If you're wondering how

59:57

messy this movie gets. And

1:00:00

then Deadpool's land on the ground is like, don't just stand

1:00:02

in your big ape, get me up, and then Wolverine pops

1:00:04

his claws in silhouette. Very, very cool shot. And

1:00:07

then goes to stab him, which

1:00:09

of course, Wade could survive, but yeah. But

1:00:12

he doesn't know that yet, maybe. Yes,

1:00:14

yeah. So what do we think

1:00:16

about this? Do we understand this? What the hell's happening? I

1:00:18

mean, the TVA are involved. I don't

1:00:20

know what the TVA shock sticks were called canonically,

1:00:23

but we were all thinking of pegging when we

1:00:25

saw them. And I'm glad that Deadpool finally put

1:00:27

voice to that. There is a pegging joke. Not

1:00:29

a first for me, but it is a first

1:00:31

for Disney. Great, very well timed look

1:00:33

at the camera there from Ryan Reynolds. I

1:00:36

really like the first two Deadpool movies. And we

1:00:39

were all wondering whether they might blunt Deadpool's

1:00:41

edge when he came into the MCU. And

1:00:43

there's a pegging joke with the first 30

1:00:46

seconds of this trailer. It's kind

1:00:48

of like reassure people, I think. I think so. And it

1:00:50

worked. And he goes, oh my fuck! At

1:00:52

one point when he sees someone being grabbed

1:00:55

by Elias, the purple cloud

1:00:57

that is in the void

1:01:00

from Loki. So Loki is a

1:01:02

huge kind of linking

1:01:06

text to this, which is very, very important.

1:01:08

Here for that? Yeah, so Matthew McFadian as

1:01:10

Mr. Paradox, a TVA agent, who is very

1:01:13

important. So important we haven't seen him in

1:01:15

the previous two local TV. And

1:01:18

he's in this. We got a little

1:01:20

glimpse at the back of Emma Corrin's

1:01:22

head. They are rumored to

1:01:24

be playing Cassandra Nova, who is a very

1:01:28

evil Charlie X kind of psychic.

1:01:32

How, and

1:01:34

of course, it's about the

1:01:36

TVA somehow recruiting Wade Wilson

1:01:38

for reasons to go into

1:01:40

the Marvel Cinematic Universe for

1:01:43

reasons. And it all sets up the line,

1:01:45

I'm Marvel Jesus. But he

1:01:47

calls himself the Messiah. I'm a Messiah. And

1:01:50

he says, I'm Marvel Jesus. So of

1:01:53

course, this movie has taken on a

1:01:55

very different hue and a hue since it

1:01:57

was announced. Because when it was announced, it

1:01:59

was just like. Deadpool 3, Deadpool's

1:02:01

coming to the MCU, everyone's

1:02:03

excited about that, see how that's going

1:02:06

to work. Oh

1:02:08

my god, Hugh Jackman's in it as Wolverine,

1:02:10

okay, you had my attention, now you have

1:02:12

my- NO FUCK IT! You have my curiosity, now you have my

1:02:14

attention! But, it was just

1:02:16

like, another big film, like a very

1:02:18

very exciting film for people

1:02:21

to go gaga about. But now,

1:02:23

it's a different film. But now, the

1:02:26

MCU's had a bit of a wobble at

1:02:28

the box office. And you could argue

1:02:30

creatively as well. Maybe they haven't

1:02:32

quite hit the heights that they have been hitting. With

1:02:35

the best picture nomination for

1:02:37

Avengers Endgame. So, suddenly

1:02:40

a line like, I'm the Messiah,

1:02:43

I'm Marvel Jesus, takes on a little

1:02:45

bit more meaning. A little bit more

1:02:47

subtext, a little bit more weight. I

1:02:50

guess it does. I wouldn't

1:02:53

give it weight though, because

1:02:55

it's Deadpool. I

1:02:57

know, but you know what I mean? No, I know what

1:02:59

you mean. The one ending film this year. They

1:03:02

have the- They have a chance

1:03:04

to kind of reset, clear the slate a little bit. And

1:03:06

clear the palette, if you will as well. Absolutely. And,

1:03:10

yeah, it will be. I'm

1:03:12

really intrigued to see it. I didn't understand

1:03:15

this trailer, particularly. But,

1:03:17

that's nice sometimes, you know,

1:03:19

it's good. My take on it

1:03:21

is, somehow Wade Wilson for some

1:03:23

reason is important to stop the

1:03:25

multi-first imploding upon itself. And

1:03:27

so he is sent into- there have

1:03:30

been rumours that he's been sent into

1:03:32

the MCU to kill, basically to kill

1:03:34

off the Fox universe. Which

1:03:38

is why we get so meta. And then

1:03:41

at some point, somehow he gets banished into

1:03:43

the void. Which means he obviously does get

1:03:46

pegged. He gets pegged. That's what happens, that's how you end up in

1:03:48

the void. You get pegged and you end up in the void. And

1:03:51

there- So he just goes something? There

1:03:53

does he meet Hugh Jackman? But there's all

1:03:55

sorts of stuff going on here, because there's the

1:03:57

20th Century Fox logo that they're fighting against. Yeah.

1:04:00

There's a Secret

1:04:02

Wars comic, which is visible in one of

1:04:05

the shots as well. So

1:04:07

there's a lot of stuff going on here. But listen,

1:04:09

all I want for my Deadpool movies is Deadpool

1:04:12

being funny and bouncing off people

1:04:15

and annoying them and good action

1:04:17

sequences and Ryan Reynolds going full

1:04:19

Ryan Reynolds. And

1:04:22

I think we're going to get it. Fingers

1:04:24

crossed. Fingers crossed. And

1:04:26

that one is out in July. Very, very excited and very

1:04:28

stoked. Stoked. Stoked.

1:04:31

Stoked. Stoked. Stoked. Of

1:04:34

course, not one of the places we're going to on our tour. No.

1:04:37

No. Birmingham, Norwich, Sheffield, Dublin. I'm joining in all

1:04:39

of those. Have you booked your tickets yet? I

1:04:42

should hope so. Yeah. ticketmaster.co.uk.

1:04:45

Hey everyone, it's Chris here and just jumping

1:04:47

in real quick because we didn't have time

1:04:49

to do this when we were recording yesterday

1:04:51

in the studios. Now here I am telling

1:04:54

you that the new issue of Empire, the

1:04:56

brand new issue of Empire is on sale

1:04:58

right now and all good evil and virtual

1:05:00

news agents. And I can highly

1:05:02

recommend that you go down and pick up

1:05:04

a copy or two or five or ten

1:05:06

or as many as you can carry. And

1:05:09

hey, while you're there, why not get some tickets for

1:05:12

our tour as well? Shame

1:05:14

this plug for that. Over. There'll

1:05:17

be more to come. Anyway, it's an

1:05:19

amazing issue on the cover. Can you

1:05:21

believe that we are celebrating 25 years

1:05:24

of the Star Wars prequels? I feel

1:05:26

incredibly old, but it's true. In

1:05:28

1999, the Phantom Menace came out. It

1:05:31

is celebrating its 25th anniversary. And

1:05:34

so we have gone all in

1:05:36

celebrating all the things that we

1:05:38

love about the Star Wars prequels.

1:05:41

And I know that many of you out there love the Star

1:05:43

Wars prequels as well. We have

1:05:45

exclusive interviews with Hayden Christensen,

1:05:48

Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, Ewan

1:05:50

McGregor, Ian McDeer mid. We

1:05:53

have an amazing interview with Sam Jackson, which

1:05:55

is one of the funniest and shortest interviews

1:05:57

I've seen in a long while. We have

1:05:59

news. exclusive photo shoots. We

1:06:01

have looks back at the Star

1:06:03

Wars archives. We celebrate them all.

1:06:06

The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge

1:06:08

of the Sith. And yes, if you're wondering if

1:06:11

we mention a last review of the Attack of

1:06:13

the Clones, no we don't because we did a

1:06:15

piece in the magazine on it a few years

1:06:17

ago. So there you go. Yaboo

1:06:19

sucks to you. But there's more

1:06:21

inside the issue if you're not a Star

1:06:23

Wars fan or not a Star Wars prequel

1:06:26

fan. Don't worry we got you covered. We

1:06:28

have an exclusive look at Three Body Problem,

1:06:30

the new Netflix show that attempts to adapt

1:06:32

the unadaptable novel. We

1:06:34

have Rose Glass, Kristen Stewart

1:06:37

and more about their new

1:06:39

film, Love Lies Bleeding.

1:06:41

We have an exclusive first look

1:06:43

at the Amy Winehouse biopic Back

1:06:45

to Black. We have some incredible

1:06:47

stuff in the first word section

1:06:49

including a look at Godzilla vs.

1:06:51

Kong. Giancarlo Esposito is this month's

1:06:53

pint of milk. We look at

1:06:55

Alex Garland's Civil War as well.

1:06:57

And in my section, the best

1:06:59

section, the final cut section, there

1:07:01

is all kinds of incredible things

1:07:03

including an interview with Juan Antonio

1:07:05

Bayona, J.A. Bayona. We rank

1:07:08

the Scream movies, Lee Child's in there.

1:07:10

What if season 2 is in there? Oh

1:07:12

my word! What an incredible

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lineup. It is on sale right

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now in all good, evil and

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virtual news agents once again. And

1:07:21

we will be absolutely delighted if

1:07:23

you would pick up a copy. Thank you so much

1:07:26

in advance and now back to that

1:07:28

Egypt in the studio. Okay shall

1:07:30

we have a final guest? Sure. Yes

1:07:32

indeed. Let's have Tahar Rahim who is

1:07:34

one of the stars of Madam Web

1:07:36

which is the latest entry in the

1:07:38

spunk of the Sony Pictures universe of

1:07:40

Marvel characters. And this

1:07:42

one sees Dakota Johnson play a psychic

1:07:45

lady who helps save

1:07:47

a bunch of potential spider women

1:07:49

from a scary spider dude played

1:07:51

by Tahar Rahim, the

1:07:53

wonderful French actor who kind of

1:07:56

burst onto the scene a few years ago in Chaco

1:07:58

de Arde's A Prophet. I found

1:08:00

out I first met him at the Cannes Film Festival, which

1:08:03

of course he remembered though he didn't remember, but I brought

1:08:05

that up at the beginning of our interview, talking

1:08:07

about that and talking about this movie and

1:08:09

kind of how he's rejected

1:08:11

Hollywood's overtures over the years. So

1:08:13

here we go. Here is Tahar

1:08:15

Rahim. Enjoy. Tahar,

1:08:18

welcome to the Emperor podcast. How are you? I'm good.

1:08:21

Good, good. We actually met years ago

1:08:23

in Cannes when a prophet

1:08:25

came out. Wow, you're an emperor. Yeah,

1:08:27

yeah. And I was just thinking about

1:08:29

that film and what it meant to

1:08:31

you, first of all, because

1:08:33

that changed your life, didn't it? Of

1:08:36

course. It changed my professional life because

1:08:38

it was my first feature. Yeah, before

1:08:41

that I just shot in a TV

1:08:43

series, a TV series. And yeah,

1:08:45

when I had this part, I was so excited and

1:08:48

happy that I could start what I

1:08:50

was waiting for for

1:08:54

years, you know, and working with this

1:08:56

director, Shako Jia, was a

1:08:59

wild dream. And the

1:09:01

part was amazing. But when you

1:09:03

shoot that, you're happy because it's the first

1:09:05

time to

1:09:08

be in a movie and I was discovering everything.

1:09:10

Everything was new. I would learn

1:09:12

every second on the way. But you

1:09:15

couldn't expect the

1:09:18

success of the movie. Yeah. And when it

1:09:20

happened, I was like, well, so it's

1:09:22

like we went in Cannes, you climbed

1:09:25

the stairs, you're

1:09:27

nobody. Yeah. When you come out, people

1:09:30

start to recognize you on the street. And it

1:09:32

was like, it

1:09:35

happened instantly. Yeah. Yeah. And it

1:09:38

was great. I liked it a

1:09:40

lot. This movie is going to be seen and

1:09:42

who knows what's going to

1:09:46

happen next. And I met my wife

1:09:48

in this movie too. So it's

1:09:51

not bad. Yeah. Not bad at all. So

1:09:53

there's a lot that period immediately

1:09:55

after the film comes out and suddenly you're

1:09:57

being recognized and you're having

1:10:00

all kinds of offers thrown

1:10:02

at you as well. How do you keep your

1:10:04

head in the wake of that? How

1:10:06

do you keep yourself and not

1:10:08

turn into, quite frankly, a

1:10:11

giant a-hole? Which

1:10:14

you didn't. We should clarify. But

1:10:16

you didn't. I

1:10:19

was afraid of turning

1:10:21

into someone that

1:10:23

I didn't want to be in a way.

1:10:26

So what happened is that I didn't

1:10:28

really embrace the fame and

1:10:31

the exhibition and all. I

1:10:33

was too scared to become stupid

1:10:38

or to be eaten

1:10:40

by the star system or whatever.

1:10:43

So I quite hid myself

1:10:45

a little. And I

1:10:47

knew, I was young, but

1:10:50

not that young. I was 28. And

1:10:53

I knew that a career

1:10:57

can only be built in

1:10:59

time by

1:11:02

saying no. So

1:11:04

I was reading a lot

1:11:06

of scripts and some of them were

1:11:09

bad. Others were good

1:11:12

but too similar. So

1:11:14

I didn't, I had to say no

1:11:16

a lot to

1:11:19

keep my vision I

1:11:21

had of being an actor and where I wanted

1:11:24

to go. Which means trying

1:11:26

different things. Jumping from one

1:11:28

type of movies to another

1:11:30

one. Exploring different fields, different

1:11:33

cultures. Different languages, different, you're

1:11:35

working in French, working in English, working

1:11:37

on both sides of the

1:11:39

punk, so to speak. Of

1:11:42

late, you're a madam web obviously

1:11:44

and last year you were in

1:11:46

Napoleon. And you've

1:11:49

worked pretty consistently in the English

1:11:51

language since a profit. But

1:11:54

movies of this size, Napoleon

1:11:56

size or madam web, you have

1:11:58

avoided. a deliberate

1:12:00

thing until now

1:12:02

obviously. It happened

1:12:06

once or twice, yeah, because the movies

1:12:08

weren't interesting to me. I

1:12:11

wasn't really, I didn't

1:12:13

really feel the scripts or the characters

1:12:15

and all. I was like I better

1:12:18

say no now and wait, be patient

1:12:20

until I find something that talks

1:12:23

to me in some ways. And

1:12:26

I really wanted to work with Ridley Scott so

1:12:28

when it happened I was like

1:12:30

okay let's you know let's do it

1:12:32

let's meet this monster and see the

1:12:34

way he works and learn something. And

1:12:38

it was the exact same thing from Adam Webb.

1:12:40

I was like why not trying to be in

1:12:42

a superhero movie? It doesn't really

1:12:44

happen when you shoot

1:12:48

in France or in Europe. This

1:12:51

happens in America. We don't,

1:12:53

it's not our culture. It's not

1:12:55

our mythology. So I

1:12:57

was like I want to try it. I want

1:12:59

to see how it feels and I want to

1:13:02

do it for myself, for the

1:13:04

experience, my acting

1:13:06

experience and for my kids as well. So

1:13:09

how did Madame Webb come about for you? Was it something

1:13:12

you auditioned for or did they come to you? No,

1:13:14

it was an offer. I

1:13:18

was a little bit surprised. I

1:13:21

was like okay right so why not?

1:13:24

Then I read the script and it was

1:13:26

good so I liked it. It was different

1:13:28

from other Marvel movies because it's you know

1:13:30

more grounded. The story

1:13:34

stands on its own. It

1:13:36

was a new character that

1:13:39

wasn't, that didn't appear before.

1:13:41

Yeah, excited enough to go there and

1:13:44

to do it. I was

1:13:48

excited as a kid. I like

1:13:50

to walk hand in hand with the kid that's

1:13:52

still sleeping inside of

1:13:54

myself. He's

1:13:57

a really interesting character to see.

1:14:00

guilt because he's someone

1:14:02

who can see his own death. He

1:14:05

knows not when he's going to die, but

1:14:07

he knows how he's going to die and

1:14:09

he knows he's not going to die well.

1:14:12

And that information I think would drive pretty

1:14:14

much anyone crazy. Of course. Well, what would

1:14:16

it do? Is that something you thought about?

1:14:18

I'd go crazy, first of all. I

1:14:21

would fear going to sleep.

1:14:24

Yeah. Because you have the

1:14:26

same vision every night. Yeah,

1:14:28

exactly. So it drives you crazy, of

1:14:30

course. How could it be different?

1:14:36

I think at some point you tried

1:14:38

to stop it. You tried to

1:14:41

avoid it. And

1:14:43

the more you become crazy, the

1:14:46

less you understand reality. So

1:14:50

his life turned into a

1:14:52

nightmare, obviously. And

1:14:54

there is this psychological thing that I wanted

1:14:56

to explore. And I talked with my psychologist

1:14:59

as well. I was like, what

1:15:01

is it for a person who

1:15:03

sees a nightmare or his own

1:15:07

death every night? What happened? And

1:15:10

she exactly told me not afraid

1:15:12

to sleep. They don't

1:15:14

really know if they're in the

1:15:16

real world or in a dream

1:15:18

world or reality or not. And

1:15:21

she said something very interesting.

1:15:23

And it was the

1:15:26

only moment when they, in

1:15:28

a way, relax

1:15:30

and soothe their mind

1:15:33

and soul. It's a dog. Because

1:15:36

they don't know that they're still

1:15:38

dreaming or they're awake. And

1:15:42

I liked that. I'm

1:15:44

like, oh, interesting. So the rest of the

1:15:46

time, it's just craziness and trying

1:15:49

to save yourself. And then

1:15:51

it becomes like your life has

1:15:53

only one purpose, is

1:15:55

to stop something to happen, which

1:15:57

helped me to build his physicality, to help him. the

1:16:00

way he walks, like, you know,

1:16:02

it's just a point A to point B,

1:16:04

and that's it. So I stop

1:16:06

it. He has one goal. He has one

1:16:08

focus in his life. Everything else.

1:16:10

It's not killing them, just killing them like animals. He

1:16:14

knows that's the only way for him to

1:16:16

stay alive. It's fascinating

1:16:18

because, you know, obviously it would be a

1:16:21

very, very different movie if he approached it

1:16:23

in a different way, but it does make

1:16:25

you think about how you would react if

1:16:27

you had that knowledge. And Ezekiel, as

1:16:29

you say, he attacks it. He becomes

1:16:31

very aggressive. But you

1:16:33

know, would there be another approach? If

1:16:35

you accepted it and thought, well, maybe

1:16:37

it's just because I'm a bad person.

1:16:40

If I change who I am, if I

1:16:42

start doing good deeds, altruistic deeds,

1:16:45

might my visions go away? You know, did

1:16:48

he try that approach? Do you think anyone would work

1:16:50

on the character? Yeah. Of

1:16:53

course. Because that's what I would do. It's a

1:16:55

different movie. It's a shorter movie. And then at

1:16:57

some point you have to do your job in

1:16:59

respect to the script and the story and

1:17:02

all of the characters. I don't think he

1:17:04

would accept it. Yeah. But

1:17:08

I would accept it. Yeah.

1:17:11

I would, you know,

1:17:14

use the rest

1:17:16

of my life to accept it, which would be

1:17:18

a different goal, but

1:17:21

still the unique goal. Yeah. It's

1:17:23

like some of the groundhog day. Like you get this chance

1:17:25

to become a better

1:17:27

person. Yeah. As

1:17:30

much good as you could, you know, just

1:17:33

smile the moment it happens. I

1:17:36

kind of love that this guy, instead of going,

1:17:38

I should become a better person, goes, no, I'm

1:17:40

going to become a worse person. I'm going to

1:17:42

kill these people and kill them. That's what I'm

1:17:44

going to do. And then all my whole life

1:17:46

will be over. I

1:17:49

think he was a traumatized kid.

1:17:51

Yeah. That's what I thought.

1:17:55

I think he suffered when he was a kid. He

1:17:57

lost his parents and nobody helped him. And

1:18:01

that built his personality,

1:18:03

like, okay, I'm going to be selfish.

1:18:06

I'm going to think of myself and

1:18:08

that's it. That's why he seeks

1:18:11

out the tribe. Absolutely. What

1:18:13

was that experience like of

1:18:16

shooting a movie? Because of

1:18:18

the nature of Ezekiel's pursuit

1:18:21

of Cassie and the

1:18:23

girls, you're more

1:18:25

like a Terminator figure in a way. You

1:18:28

don't really have many scenes with Dakota, for

1:18:30

example. So when you do have those moments, what

1:18:33

was that like for you? Did you,

1:18:35

and Dakota, grab those moments and go, okay,

1:18:37

now we really have a chance here to

1:18:41

mesh as actors? Yeah,

1:18:43

to me, the scenes

1:18:45

that I have with Dakota

1:18:47

and especially the diner scene was

1:18:50

the most important scene in the movie. For

1:18:53

me, for the script, for the movie and

1:18:56

selfishly for me as an actor, because this

1:18:59

was the best moment to act. Because that's

1:19:01

the face off of the movie and it's

1:19:03

like, we share

1:19:06

the same clairvoyant power

1:19:09

and it's cool to see what a

1:19:11

good person could do with this and a bad person

1:19:14

could use this power. So

1:19:16

the face to face of this moment was to

1:19:18

me the climax. There's

1:19:21

a lot of neat editing tricks

1:19:23

going on in the sequence team

1:19:25

to make Ezekiel kind of flip

1:19:27

around Cassie. Did you shoot

1:19:30

it very much as a

1:19:32

conversation or did you shoot it multiple

1:19:34

ways, multiple cameras? Well, I

1:19:36

think that's a conversation. Many

1:19:39

times. Yeah. Not

1:19:41

the super suit. The super suit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1:19:45

But I think that this scene

1:19:48

or sequence is so well directed

1:19:50

and edited and

1:19:52

it was like kind of very

1:19:54

interesting to just dive

1:19:57

into the scene because there was another layer. which

1:20:00

is they meet

1:20:03

in a

1:20:05

different dimension. We can do whatever you want

1:20:09

as a director. Real quick, I'm

1:20:11

going to let you go, but I wanted to ask

1:20:13

about the Ridley Scott experience. Because

1:20:15

you had the Joaquin Phoenix experience already,

1:20:17

you'd worked with Joaquin before. Did that

1:20:19

make it easier in a way that

1:20:21

you'd had this castmate that you knew?

1:20:23

Because I know really works fast. Yeah,

1:20:26

so fast. It was

1:20:28

scary. Yeah, I'm gonna

1:20:30

work in with Joaquin. I

1:20:32

did it before so we

1:20:34

knew each other and I

1:20:36

respect the actor and he's

1:20:39

so talented. So I knew what it was, who

1:20:42

I had in front of me. So

1:20:46

yeah, but working with Ridley

1:20:48

was completely new. It was, I

1:20:51

mean, when I shot the

1:20:53

first day, I remember I was

1:20:55

there first day, I'm a little

1:20:57

scared and all and it's it's

1:20:59

not in the movie anymore, but it's the

1:21:02

sex scene with Joaquin. I'm

1:21:04

not really comfortable, first of all. That

1:21:06

was a tough first day. Yeah,

1:21:08

that's tough. But there

1:21:10

was acting in it, a big conversation

1:21:14

and then we start to shoot and

1:21:16

there's always poor cameras. So

1:21:18

I'm like, okay, cool, recovered, but

1:21:20

two takes. I'm like,

1:21:22

what can I just do it

1:21:25

again, please? And then I

1:21:27

understood that

1:21:29

it's gonna be like this all the way

1:21:31

long. So when I went back to my

1:21:33

hotel room, I rehearsed

1:21:35

a lot to be ready to

1:21:38

give them two different way. I mean,

1:21:40

two different takes. Wow. I was like, okay, right.

1:21:42

It's gonna be two takes and move

1:21:44

on. And it happened. And

1:21:47

I was so surprised in the maze by the

1:21:49

way he shoots. I mean, there

1:21:52

was like a lot of

1:21:54

extras. And the set

1:21:56

was so huge for the first

1:21:58

battle in Tullo. And

1:22:01

it felt like... I don't think

1:22:03

I have the English word for that, but... You

1:22:05

know when you shoot... When you

1:22:07

film a theater play. You

1:22:11

know, you got two cameras and it's just, you

1:22:13

know... Action and

1:22:16

cut at the end of the show, right? And

1:22:18

it felt like this. We

1:22:21

were, like, playing

1:22:23

our scene here. It was so

1:22:25

huge that Joaquin was there, playing

1:22:28

the scene at the same time. As

1:22:30

if the editing was happening in real

1:22:33

time. In

1:22:36

direct. One camera here, another

1:22:38

one here, another there. So

1:22:40

everything was happening at the same time. It was

1:22:42

like a bit less in cos I

1:22:45

understood how strong Ridley is

1:22:47

in terms of editing, in terms

1:22:49

of directing. And

1:22:52

he was like a

1:22:54

conductor. It was incredible. Man's

1:22:56

a genius. The man is a genius. Well, Tahar,

1:22:58

it's been a pleasure catching up after so many

1:23:00

years. And best of luck for

1:23:02

the future, sir. And see you soon. Indeed. Thank

1:23:05

you so much. Cheers. Thank you. OK,

1:23:07

that was Tahar Rahim. Now let's talk about

1:23:10

Madam Web, which is out in cinemas right

1:23:12

now. This is a Beth Webb biopic, I

1:23:15

believe, Timbo? That's exactly right. Yeah, it's true.

1:23:18

How about you haven't seen this yet, have you? Now I'm going right

1:23:20

after we finish this. Yeah. Exciting.

1:23:23

It's a story of Beth and how she came involved in the pilot TV

1:23:25

podcast. Very exciting. No, so Tahar Rahim was

1:23:27

a prophet, however, in this. Dakota Johnson

1:23:29

is a prophet. So the character of Madam Web,

1:23:31

for those who are not familiar, is an elderly

1:23:33

woman, a wheelchair bound woman, who is blind and sees

1:23:35

the future. Here she is a, I was going

1:23:37

to say Gen X, but I think that's actually

1:23:39

selling her short. I'm pretty certain Dakota Johnson's a

1:23:41

millennial. Anyway, she is

1:23:43

this character. She, for reasons we won't

1:23:45

go into, but let's be honest, it involves her mum, who

1:23:47

was researching spiders in the Amazon just before she died. A

1:23:49

line that is not in the movie. A

1:23:52

line that was cut together, similarly for the trailer

1:23:54

from bits of dialogue that you will identify separately

1:23:56

in the film, but do not make a complete

1:23:58

sentence. And. she

1:24:00

has essentially inherited the power of Final

1:24:02

Destination, whereby the film Final Destination is

1:24:04

in her brain and she sees things

1:24:06

before they happen. She sees people's deaths

1:24:08

before they come and she's an agent

1:24:11

who indeed, he's in the Spodre so

1:24:13

well, presumably podcast. Ezekiel 2517,

1:24:15

Ezekiel who is Evil Spider-Man played by

1:24:17

Taharaheem, he has special spider powers like

1:24:19

Spider-Man, so he's like Brightburn, but the

1:24:22

Spider-Man version of Brightburn, he's Evil Spider-Man.

1:24:25

He has himself had a

1:24:27

vision for reasons that three spider women are going

1:24:29

to kill him so he decides to murder some

1:24:31

teenagers. And that is broadly skipping the plot of this

1:24:33

film. It makes precious

1:24:36

little sense. There's

1:24:38

been sort of a big old internet pile on for

1:24:40

this film and I think it

1:24:42

is one of these things and you alluded to

1:24:44

this on Twitter, Chris. I feel like people pre-prepared

1:24:46

their funny funny, hey if you can see the

1:24:48

future you should have known this would be shit,

1:24:50

gags. It's all a bit cheap and it's nowhere

1:24:53

near as bad as some of those reviews make

1:24:55

out. However, it is also bad. S.J. Clarkson

1:24:58

who directed this is great and I have loads and

1:25:00

loads of time for her. She's worked on brilliant

1:25:02

stuff. She's worked on Marvel stuff on TV. She's

1:25:04

worked on the Collateral Brilliant TV series with Carrie

1:25:06

Mulligan. She has worked on Succession. She's done loads

1:25:09

of good stuff. I feel like it's not necessarily

1:25:11

her fault that this film doesn't work. It suffers

1:25:13

from an incredibly bad script

1:25:15

that just layers

1:25:17

in really obvious foreshadowing. It's quite

1:25:20

first base with this plotting. The

1:25:22

dialogue is at times actively painful

1:25:25

and not because someone like Sydney Sweeney who is

1:25:27

great is playing someone 10 years younger than she

1:25:29

actually is. It's just a little bit incoherent

1:25:31

and it's loud and there's lots

1:25:33

of sort of loud noises

1:25:35

and let's be honest Pepsi product placement which is

1:25:38

on a whole other level in this film. I

1:25:40

found it very very... I never noticed that. I

1:25:42

tell you it's really... Oh my God it is.

1:25:44

It's quite spectacular. The point where it's even like

1:25:46

a major plot point as well. I'm taking a

1:25:48

star off it now. Yeah you should do. I

1:25:51

mean look, this is exactly

1:25:53

what you think it is. It is a

1:25:55

spunk film. It is spunk quality. It's basically

1:25:57

another Morbius. Is it better than Morbius? There's

1:25:59

no... a lot in it. Is it roughly as

1:26:01

good as Venom? I don't know, I preferred Venom's to

1:26:04

this and I didn't like either of those. I

1:26:07

got through this film, that's one of the best things

1:26:09

I can say about it. The thing that bothers me

1:26:11

most about this film is as I said many times

1:26:13

people are going to see this bump and they're going

1:26:15

to be like, God, the MCU has gone downhill. I've

1:26:17

seen reviews to that extent already. I've seen people going,

1:26:19

well, since when did Marvel get this bad? This is

1:26:21

the worst thing Marvel have ever done. And it

1:26:24

has the Marvel name

1:26:26

on it. And it is derived from Marvel

1:26:28

characters in a Marvel comic and there are

1:26:30

people, there are names that you will recognise,

1:26:32

there are names that are said and then

1:26:34

one name that is absolutely not said during

1:26:37

the movie. Even though, Tess, you will get

1:26:39

great responsibility and with

1:26:41

it will come great power. What could they

1:26:43

possibly be referring to? We're not far off,

1:26:45

we're not far off. But it does poison

1:26:47

the well slightly. And that

1:26:49

said, I have found

1:26:52

troubling my sentence structure.

1:26:54

I have found troubling this pile

1:27:00

on and I have been

1:27:03

as guilty of it in the

1:27:05

past as anyone. I have

1:27:07

gone to see a film that I have

1:27:09

been hoping would be bad and

1:27:11

you almost go in, like I

1:27:13

literally remember going in to see Mrs. Brown's Boys, the

1:27:15

movie knowing I'd be writing a review because no one

1:27:17

else would do it. No one else would watch it.

1:27:20

And I came up with what I thought was a

1:27:22

funny line on the way in and,

1:27:24

God, please be as bad as I think you're

1:27:26

going to be. And it was truly one of the most wretched things

1:27:28

I've ever seen. It's awful. No one says how to make a bad

1:27:30

film. Although in that case, I'm not

1:27:33

sure. But you're going, yes, I can

1:27:35

use that line and use that line and then the review

1:27:37

becomes less of a review and more of a kind of

1:27:39

a little comedy piece. Look at me,

1:27:41

look at me. And then also what you're doing is

1:27:43

you're trying to outdo all the other pieces because you

1:27:45

know there's going to be like a thousand modern web

1:27:48

reviews and they're all going to be slagging it off

1:27:50

with their pre-written quips and

1:27:52

you're trying to outdo it. And that

1:27:54

gets to me a little bit. That annoys me. And there's a

1:27:56

lot of that with this film. It's visually. When

1:27:59

I have to they're like, yes, I don't

1:28:01

think that this is a particularly good

1:28:03

film. I think it is an absolutely

1:28:05

straight down the middle two star experience.

1:28:08

It is not the

1:28:10

worst film of the year. No, it's not

1:28:12

a one star film. It's not a one

1:28:14

star film. Dakota Johnson, I really liked, I

1:28:16

liked all the performances in this. Adam Scott,

1:28:18

Adam Scott. Adam Scott, lots of fun. I

1:28:20

mean, Tahar Rahim, who is a great actor,

1:28:22

has nothing to work with this.

1:28:24

He is such a one note villain. And

1:28:27

again, the dialogue he's forced to speak

1:28:29

is kind of painful. Dakota Johnson has been, let's

1:28:32

be honest, she's been kind of awesome in the

1:28:34

interview she's done. She's been very frank about everything.

1:28:36

She has said it got heavily retooled. And

1:28:39

you can absolutely see that because it

1:28:41

is slightly incoherent. It has been chopped and

1:28:43

changed and moved around. I did

1:28:45

a spoiler special interview with S.J. Clarkson, who

1:28:47

is really, really great to

1:28:49

talk to. And she did talk about how

1:28:52

the third act in particular was completely changed. I think

1:28:54

you can feel it. And she's a really good director.

1:28:56

So I kind of feel for her because she's going

1:28:58

to end up carrying the can a little bit for

1:29:00

this. And that is a shame. Yeah. And it is

1:29:02

not going to do well in the box office. It's

1:29:04

already tracking poorly. The sequel that they outrageously

1:29:06

set up so wholeheartedly towards the

1:29:08

latter part of this film will

1:29:10

never occur. It'll never occur. This

1:29:12

is coming soon. Airplane three levels.

1:29:14

Yeah. But the thing is,

1:29:16

the thing about this film and honestly about the

1:29:19

Spum Kill films generally, it's like it has the

1:29:21

whiff of it is being made so they can

1:29:23

maintain ownership of the IP. And it feels like

1:29:25

is there any other reason for us to be

1:29:28

here? No. No.

1:29:30

No. But I out of

1:29:32

that, that doesn't mean that these films have to

1:29:34

be bad. It doesn't mean these films have to

1:29:36

be like

1:29:39

a nothing experience. And

1:29:41

that's the thing. I wasn't a

1:29:44

big fan of the first Phantom, but I know a lot

1:29:46

of people are. And I kind of need to go back

1:29:48

and revisit that. I didn't actually have a decent time with

1:29:50

the Phantom sequel. I

1:29:52

didn't mind Morbius. And this one

1:29:55

was kind of exactly the same for me in

1:29:57

that it just kind of happened in front of

1:29:59

me. and it washed over me and there

1:30:01

were some scenes that I thought were pretty good and

1:30:03

there were some scenes I thought were pretty incoherent and

1:30:05

I thought overall it didn't quite stick the landing. But

1:30:08

I don't think this is the cat of

1:30:11

comic book movies or the showgirls of superhero

1:30:13

films. Both of which come from the same review by

1:30:15

the way. Which is true. Pick one. Well

1:30:18

we should also say, and we haven't mentioned

1:30:20

it, Sydney Sweeney, Isabella Merced and Celeste O'Connor

1:30:22

who play the three people who are being

1:30:24

pursued by evil Spider-Man. Isabella Merced, actual Dora

1:30:26

the Explorer who does a little bit of

1:30:28

exploring here. She does, yes. There's some really,

1:30:30

really batshit or should I say spider shit in saying

1:30:33

plot developments. We will be doing the sport of specialness. I think

1:30:35

it is going to be a lot of fun to talk about.

1:30:37

But I just don't think

1:30:39

it's anywhere near as bad as

1:30:42

the reviews, many of which I suspect were

1:30:44

pre-written, would

1:30:46

have you believe. So there we go. But anyway,

1:30:48

we didn't like it either. Two stars. But

1:30:51

maybe not as much as other people. Two stars

1:30:53

then for Madame Webb. Okay.

1:30:56

Hell's Bells. Hi. Hell's

1:30:58

Bells. Bob Marley, One Love.

1:31:01

Yes. So this starts as

1:31:03

Bob Marley is planning a

1:31:05

concert to unite the two

1:31:07

halves of Jamaica. Basically there

1:31:09

is a very contested presidential

1:31:13

election coming up and he is trying

1:31:15

to argue against the violence

1:31:18

that threatens to sweep away the country

1:31:20

and bring the two different political parties

1:31:22

together. Basically we shout for

1:31:24

One Love. As he

1:31:26

is preparing for this, as he is rehearsing, basically

1:31:29

people come into his house and try to kill

1:31:31

him. That's kind of our set up

1:31:33

for the film. Then it's really

1:31:35

kind of how he reacts to that, what

1:31:37

he goes on to do next. The music

1:31:39

that I guess comes out of partly at

1:31:41

least out of that experience and out of

1:31:44

his reaction to that experience and how he

1:31:46

goes about creating some of his best

1:31:48

work even as his health begins to

1:31:50

suffer a little bit along the way.

1:31:55

This is, I mean, exceptional performances. You've

1:31:57

got Kingsley Ben endear as Bob Marley

1:31:59

and myself, Lashana Lynch, as

1:32:02

his wife Rita, with whom he has a very,

1:32:05

on one hand, very close and interdependent

1:32:07

relationship. They are very, very devoted to

1:32:09

each other. They share the

1:32:12

same goals, the same values, same causes.

1:32:14

On the other hand, there is tension

1:32:16

between them. This is not a perfect

1:32:19

marriage. This is not a perfect relationship.

1:32:21

And both of them, as we learned during

1:32:24

the film, have fallen

1:32:26

short of their own ideals, let's say, at times.

1:32:29

And so it's a really interesting, there's kind of a

1:32:31

thorniness and also a love there, which is really interesting.

1:32:33

He's also a family man, which we don't always see

1:32:35

in these films. There are quite a

1:32:37

few scenes with him, with his kids. Many

1:32:40

of his kids were producers on this film.

1:32:42

The family was very much involved with this,

1:32:44

which is obviously worth bearing in mind in

1:32:47

terms of whether you think you're getting the

1:32:49

full story of Bob Marley or just one piece

1:32:51

of the picture, I guess. There

1:32:54

are occasional wrinkles and they show that he wasn't

1:32:56

always faint. They

1:32:58

show he wasn't a saint, but this

1:33:01

is a very, sometimes it does feel like it has

1:33:04

a bit of a rosy glow on it at the

1:33:06

same time. And as it should, you shouldn't be necessarily

1:33:08

looking at your parents with the

1:33:11

sharpest, harshest possible gaze. But

1:33:14

yeah, I mean, really, really good

1:33:16

performances, really fascinating look at a

1:33:18

time and a culture, a subculture

1:33:20

or culture that I didn't know much

1:33:22

about. It's really interesting seeing him at one

1:33:24

point come to London and go to punk

1:33:26

shows, for example. He's clearly taking in the

1:33:29

whole culture and

1:33:31

seeing what he can draw from that, what

1:33:33

energy he shares and how he differs from

1:33:35

these people. And yeah, I just felt it

1:33:39

was a little bit musical biopic. Here

1:33:41

we go. It doesn't go through his entire life,

1:33:43

although there are quite a few flashbacks to his childhood.

1:33:47

But it does still feel very much like

1:33:50

we've seen maybe done before.

1:33:54

Yeah, I didn't really get it. There's

1:33:56

a couple of moments where Ronaldo, Marcus Crain, who's

1:33:58

a really good director, tried to king rich. and

1:34:00

he directed We Own This City, the

1:34:03

David Simon kind of wireish

1:34:06

thing with John Bernthal that came

1:34:08

out a couple of years ago. He

1:34:11

directed those. He's a really good director. And

1:34:14

there's a couple of moments where Bob Marley kind of has

1:34:17

visions and weird,

1:34:20

vivid fever dreams. And

1:34:22

that kind of changes the paradigm

1:34:24

a little bit, that we're not just dealing

1:34:26

with stuff that we've seen before. Otherwise,

1:34:29

it is very biopicky. It is very,

1:34:31

oh, this is how we wrote this

1:34:33

song, which is probably an absolute, there's

1:34:35

no relation to how they wrote that song.

1:34:38

But it's nice. I

1:34:40

mean, it's great songs.

1:34:42

And I was

1:34:44

having a good time with the music and the performances

1:34:46

are great. But it does, it's wild to

1:34:48

me. I think you were saying, I don't

1:34:51

know if it was off mic a couple of weeks ago, but you

1:34:53

were saying like, it's crazy that a

1:34:55

film that is structured like this can

1:34:57

still exist post-Walk

1:35:01

Hard, where there's literally a

1:35:03

moment where Bob Marley is about to go on stage and

1:35:05

he has to stop and think about his childhood, which

1:35:08

is exactly what happens to Jim Cox and that movie. Which is

1:35:10

actually what Jim Cox does. I mean, that has ruined almost

1:35:12

all the musical biopics for me, to be fair. Like

1:35:14

this is not unique to this one. It's

1:35:17

not unique. But the problem is Bohemian Rhapsody, a

1:35:20

dreadful film, made nearly

1:35:23

a billion dollars, won a bunch of

1:35:25

Oscars, including Best Actor. And

1:35:27

I think producers

1:35:29

and studios are chasing that.

1:35:32

And they're taking lessons from that rather

1:35:34

than say take the lessons from something like

1:35:36

Rocket Man, which I

1:35:39

thought was terrific. And really audacious. And

1:35:41

really audacious and does different things. And Elton John was involved

1:35:43

with that, but he was very much like I was a

1:35:45

twat. I was an asshole. So paint me as a twat

1:35:47

and an asshole. I mean, I

1:35:49

think this, you know, it's by no means this

1:35:52

is by no means Bohemian Rhapsody. I think it's much, much,

1:35:54

much better than that. Had a good time with it. Had

1:35:56

a good time with it. And I

1:35:58

think it very wisely. picks

1:36:00

an era and focuses on that, has

1:36:03

a lot of shots of Bob Marley and his gang

1:36:05

going running. And I love the impression you get of

1:36:07

him as the sort of leader of

1:36:10

a team. They call him Skipper. They call him Skipper.

1:36:12

I love, I mean, they obviously did, I'm guessing that's

1:36:14

taken from history, but that's fantastic. But also the detail

1:36:16

of that, the camaraderie of that, the closeness of the

1:36:18

team, the sense of

1:36:21

him having people around him. It's not just the

1:36:23

lone genius, although it very much is the genius

1:36:25

kind of story as well. But I think that

1:36:27

is the kind of saving grace of this film

1:36:30

in regards to those tropes, I think.

1:36:32

So I really, really, really like that. And I

1:36:34

really like the sense that even when they are in

1:36:36

the studio and they do come up with a beat

1:36:38

or they do come up with a riff or something,

1:36:41

you get the sense they have been in the

1:36:43

studio for a week and they have been trying

1:36:45

different things for a week. It doesn't feel quite

1:36:47

so like, oh, hey, the way you

1:36:50

clapped your hands just there was great. Let's

1:36:52

do that again. I think I've just come

1:36:54

up with We Will Rock You. It's

1:36:57

by no means the worst of it, Sean. It has a lot going

1:36:59

for it. But yeah, I just

1:37:01

maybe didn't. Sean O'Toole Yeah. I had a decent

1:37:04

time with it and I watched it with a

1:37:06

pain audience last night. And they had a decent

1:37:08

time and they were laughing and getting

1:37:10

sad in the right places. And it is sad. I mean,

1:37:12

my God, he was 36. Danielle Pletka I know. No

1:37:14

age at all. Sean O'Toole And he passed away. Jesus Christ.

1:37:17

And a decent time with it. Well shot, well acted

1:37:20

and great music. So if that is your

1:37:22

bag, then go check out Bob

1:37:24

Marley One Love. That's what I say. That is

1:37:27

what I say. Very

1:37:29

quickly, sadly, because we are

1:37:31

very, very up against the time wise. The

1:37:33

taste of things. Danielle Pletka

1:37:36

Yeah. This is a fantastic,

1:37:38

fantastic film. It's basically

1:37:40

a dream for me, personally.

1:37:44

So this stars Juliette

1:37:46

Binoche and Benoit Majumel. And he

1:37:49

is basically the owner of

1:37:54

this chateau. He's a gourmand. He's very well

1:37:56

known for his good taste. People come from

1:37:58

all over to have dinner. dinner at

1:38:00

his house and his chef is Eugénie,

1:38:02

which is Juliette Binoche's character. They are

1:38:05

also, of course, because this is a

1:38:07

French film, shagging. He's been asking her

1:38:09

to marry him

1:38:11

for years and she values her independence. She

1:38:14

wants to kind of keep their relationship with

1:38:16

a little bit of freedom, basically, to herself. And

1:38:19

yeah, that's basically it. This is directed

1:38:21

by Anh Pham, who

1:38:24

is a French filmmaker of

1:38:26

Vietnamese origin. And it's

1:38:29

always been a thing in his films

1:38:31

to have these very sensual depictions of

1:38:33

food and to really focus on food

1:38:36

and cooking as a part of the human experience, which

1:38:38

it is. And literally the first 20, 25 minutes

1:38:41

of this film are basically them making

1:38:43

lunch in their

1:38:45

sunlit, idyllic French chateau kitchen. She starts

1:38:47

off the morning just wandering into the

1:38:49

garden and picking a bunch of vegetables

1:38:52

and then she comes inside and they

1:38:54

cook them together. And honestly, I

1:38:57

was riveted. I was five stars, says

1:38:59

Greg Wallace. Honestly, I was so into it.

1:39:01

I can't even explain to you. It just looked

1:39:03

amazing. I wanted to just go on a cooking

1:39:05

holiday to friends. I love food. There's barely

1:39:07

a plot after that. Some things... No, that's

1:39:09

not fair. There is a plot

1:39:12

after that. Some things happen with the relationship outside

1:39:14

the relationship with talking

1:39:16

about their relationship to each other, to

1:39:18

food, to love, to life. There's a

1:39:20

lot of text and ideas

1:39:23

in this film expressed through

1:39:25

the medium of fucking incredible food.

1:39:28

And I was very, very much here for it.

1:39:31

So yeah, I think we gave this four stars. Yes.

1:39:34

But honestly, it might be a five for me. I

1:39:36

just... I was intended. Michelin stars for

1:39:38