Running a marathon isn’t usually a requirement for job applicants, but for some homeless people around Australia it’s a key achievement that has led them towards employment.

While training for a marathon in Perth, Western Australia, businessman Keegan Crage would encounter people sleeping rough. He started wondering how to make practical changes in their lives and whether he could do it through the power of running.

But not everyone wants to run—and not everyone can. CEO of The Big Issue, Steven Persson, says that to work for the magazine you just need to walk, or roll, into The Big Issue headquarters.

Featured guests:

Keegan Crage, Founder On My Feet

Tara, participant and mentor, On My Feet

Steven Persson, CEO The Big Issue

Marcus, vendor, The Big Issue