2:00

Yeah, we don't have anything, but we're just gonna say

2:03

that's so people don't get mad at us.

2:05

If indigenous science, quote unquote, works, then it's

2:07

just science. And so how is it? Yeah,

2:09

it's just called science. It's just science. Yeah,

2:11

it's like black jobs. It's

2:13

nonsense. Yeah,

2:16

indigenous science, black jobs,

2:18

Hispanic AI. Yeah. There's

2:21

all sorts of stuff. Now that was fun, but

2:23

the best part of my weekend was spending three

2:25

plus hours with Kevin Kuzner this morning. I wanted

2:28

to go see Horizon, the three hour long Western.

2:30

I had not even, it was so

2:32

great. It was so great. I loved it.

2:35

You love Western. I love Westerns, yeah. But

2:37

part of the reason I went to go see

2:39

it this weekend, because I've been thinking about it.

2:41

Do you feel represented in those Westerns? Yeah, absolutely.

2:43

Because I'm an American, damn it. Correct.

2:46

Yeah, that's what I was wondering. Yeah.

2:48

I was wondering if you guys are

2:50

American, felt represented. Especially when they're like

2:52

taking out the indigenous populations, like, we

2:54

need to, this is our life now.

2:58

Don't drink the water. OK. Yeah. Sorry

3:01

about that. Red,

3:03

white and blue, baby. I love

3:05

it. I wonder how like somebody from like

3:07

northern Finland watches those movies if they're not

3:09

represented. I don't know. They must

3:11

feel. Well, no, they get represented. There's always one

3:13

of those European characters. They got Frozen 2. Who's

3:16

like in the West and they're like a

3:18

little too prim and proper and they don't

3:20

quite understand how to do anything. And

3:23

they usually get killed off in like Act Four or

3:25

something. You

3:28

know, I didn't even know this movie existed.

3:31

Oh, yeah, it's a big thing. Like Costner's

3:34

Costner's back in the game. He had his

3:36

whole Yellowstone thing. And then he had a

3:38

big, like noisy break

3:40

from this phenomenon of a

3:43

TV show that he's put together. And he's

3:45

just, you know, having a nice late career

3:48

bump and getting back in the

3:50

game. So it's not like the postman

3:52

all over again. No, he's found a

3:54

lane that works for him. Yeah, which

3:56

is actually going to do well, which

3:59

is America. Importantly. piece

10:00

in Brill's content saying like secondhand

10:02

smoke was like kind of

10:04

bullshit. Yeah, that's true. Like freaking out about

10:06

secondhand smoke should like chill out. His, I

10:09

was like, Oh, that takes some balls to

10:11

do that. The debut issue of that magazine

10:13

came out in, uh, somewhere

10:15

in the tail end or the middle, I believe of

10:17

1998. So he wrote

10:20

personally like a 25,000 word, uh, essay

10:22

about, um, Matt Drudge,

10:26

Michael Issachoff and the Monica Lewinsky

10:28

thing. How it all happened. And

10:31

don't, why did you forget Hosenball?

10:33

I always get Mark Hosenball,

10:36

poor guy. The

10:39

Bill Wyman of

10:41

Newsweek at the time. It would be interesting. Uh,

10:43

back then I was just back in the country

10:46

and I was working for the online journalism review,

10:48

even though I'd like, I'd looked at email for

10:50

the first time, like a week and a half

10:52

before, but I was trying to catch up really

10:54

quick. But like, I, you know, you do a

10:56

whole bunch of pieces back then about like this

10:58

crazy old media way of,

11:01

of like panicking about the new,

11:03

it's like, my God. Do you see what

11:05

they're doing on Usenet? Every

11:08

single new thing because Do you think, do

11:10

you think Aaron Sorkin once pitched a movie

11:13

about Usenet? I mean, Alt

11:15

dot January six dot

11:17

Trump. The name

11:19

of the book, uh, the movie is Molly's game, by

11:21

the way, that I referenced before. Molly's game. And it's

11:23

pretty good, a pretty good movie. Um, it's

11:26

an airplane movie. I'll check it out. I really can't

11:28

wait to see good. So it can good cost me.

11:31

Cause by the way, by the time that

11:33

movie comes out, everyone's going to

11:35

really care about a January

11:37

6th movie. I was like, I've

11:39

just been waiting for this. It's like having a Pearl Harbor

11:41

movie with Ben Affleck. It's like, it's

11:43

a little late and I don't know

11:45

if it's relevant at this point. Shout

11:48

out by the way, to Katonji Brown

11:50

Jackson, new Supreme court justice, who voted

11:52

with the conservatives on the January 6th

11:54

cases. Um, and the, how

11:56

much you should, uh, you know,

11:58

take seriously the disruptive. an official

12:01

like proceeding charge. And if

12:03

she was being totally ideologically

12:06

predictable, which almost no Supreme Court

12:08

justice ever is, despite everyone's attempt

12:10

to pretend that they are, it

12:13

would have come out differently. And I was just seeing

12:15

Randy Barnett, who's great, originally

12:18

an anarchist, might still describe himself,

12:20

but definitely like libertarian, right

12:23

of center analyst, was giving

12:25

her all kinds of props. Like she has

12:27

been a really good, and she's been

12:30

improving noticeably already on the bench and

12:32

has become this kind of interesting center of

12:34

power. We might think about, and this is

12:37

the members only podcast, and

12:39

so we might as well do some of

12:41

our Tuesday meeting here, but it might be

12:43

worth getting some of our Supreme Court peeps

12:45

to talk about some of the... So

12:48

Matt, for

12:50

you people at home, Matt was

12:52

saying something exceptionally dumb, and

12:55

then the gods of the internet interceded and shut

12:57

down in this connection, because they were like, nope.

13:00

Didn't have that set up

13:02

on Thursday night

13:04

or whatever that was. Kind of hard

13:06

to... Our friend Jonathan, who's studio, he

13:09

has a good internet

13:11

that allows that kind of

13:14

thing. But yeah, I

13:16

listened back to that. I don't think it was very good.

13:19

No. Do

13:22

you know how those records that people

13:24

do after their first great record, and

13:27

they suck, and you go back and you want to be

13:29

like, you know what? I'm going to listen to Tusk. Tusk.

13:31

It's always Tusk. It's going to be great. And it's like,

13:33

actually, no, it's not great. It's

13:35

not, you want it to be. And going

13:39

back and listening to that when I wanted it to be great,

13:42

it really wasn't. No,

13:44

but I heard from Peter, I should have texted

13:46

him and say, it's fine. Oh, because I feel

13:49

bad we wasted his time. But I don't think

13:51

he remembers them. No,

13:53

you wasted his time. But speaking

13:55

of when you talked to Suter,

13:57

he thought he was still in

14:00

Congress. Yeah, I'm going to go

14:02

down and vote. I'm like, vote

14:04

on what government Congressman. Congressman. Congressman.

14:06

Congressman. Congressman. Congressman. Oh, Congressman. When

14:09

you talk to Suderman this week, Welch,

14:11

can you please tell him that I

14:13

said that his review of

14:15

Horizon, like Kevin Costner film that I began talking

14:17

about a little while ago, was terrible. It was

14:19

just terrible. It was not reliable. It was not

14:22

helpful. His assertion that if you

14:24

like Westerns, you should not see this movie,

14:26

et cetera, et cetera, that the movie is

14:28

interminable. It is not interminable.

14:30

People should see this film. And

14:32

he is selling fear, uncertainty, and

14:34

doubt about Kevin Costner movies.

14:36

And it is shameful. And he should

14:38

be embarrassed. Maybe you should go back

14:41

to writing about drinks. Yeah, only write

14:43

about drinks. Only drinks from now on.

14:45

Yeah, not movies. Not movies. At

14:47

least, if he writes about drinks so much, maybe

14:50

he was drunk when he wrote that review.

14:52

Yeah, that could explain it. Maybe. Because he's

14:54

an alcoholic. I'm

14:56

going to, if you're going to invite

14:58

a crossing of the streams, I'm going to

15:00

recommend something that I recommend just

15:03

as a drive by at the Reason Roundtable

15:05

podcast, which is another Kevin Costner picture from

15:07

the mid-90s. I love Kevin Costner. I don't.

15:09

You are so gay for the first time.

15:11

I kind of do. I kind of do.

15:13

You're amazing. Great American. No,

15:16

a perfect world, Clint Eastwood pick

15:18

from the mid-90s, which

15:21

is just like kind of troubled

15:24

Kevin Costner coming out

15:26

of jail, kind of a grifter, but

15:28

the more complicated story in Laura Dern

15:30

and Clint Eastwood sort of an incidental

15:32

bumbling sheriff in this, which is what's

15:34

confusing to people, but incredible

15:36

leading man stuff from Kevin Costner. He

15:38

was bringing the John Doe in

15:41

there as in the sex program. Matt, when

15:43

we finish this episode tonight, do you curl

15:45

up in your bed

15:47

and watch the

15:49

body guard on your phone? I've never

15:51

seen it, so it's time maybe. I mean, you

15:54

love him so much that I think you probably

15:56

should watch it. I mean, he was

15:58

a pretty good. I mean,

16:01

Crash Davis is a hell

16:03

of a thing. I was actually at Anaheim Stadium.

16:05

He was not just two, but three baseball movies.

16:07

We've forgotten the third one, and I even forget

16:09

what it's called. It's not the rookie, but where

16:12

he plays like someone who has to play

16:14

like all nine positions at age 40 in

16:17

a game. And he did that actually for

16:19

the Tigers in a spring training game

16:21

at Anaheim Stadium that I watched. So he had to

16:23

pitch an inning. He had to like play

16:25

shortstop and inning, and he was 40 at the time.

16:27

He was kind of like a George Plimpton kind of

16:29

thing, right? Yeah. I forget

16:31

the conceit of the whole movie, but

16:34

like, I mean, my dude for 40, like

16:37

he got the ball across the

16:39

diamond in decent shape. When I was a kid, I

16:41

read the Plimpton book and I loved it. I have

16:43

no idea if I would like it now, but I

16:46

thought it was really entertaining. I never read Paper Lion,

16:48

which is the same conceit of WASP-y

16:51

journalist who weighs about 110 pounds and talks

16:54

like William F. Buckley playing professional baseball. And

16:56

that was that book. I can't remember the

16:58

name of the book, but he then did

17:00

the book Paper Lion where he played. Paper

17:02

Lion was the big one. Yeah. That was

17:04

why he played for the Detroit Lions. Yeah.

17:06

Or like he tried to treat like he

17:08

practiced with them or something. He got crushed

17:10

by Alex Carras or something. Yeah. But

17:12

the great Alex Carras, who

17:15

himself was crushed by

17:17

Emmanuel Lewis, wasn't he? Wasn't

17:19

Alex Carras the dad? He was the dad in Webster.

17:22

See, there you go. Wow. Yeah. It's a lot

17:25

of good reference points. If

17:27

you want a hilarious story, I sent this to you,

17:30

man. I don't know if you got around to watching

17:32

it. Norm Macdonald telling Bob Euchre stories is my big

17:34

thing. And there's an amazing one where he talks about

17:37

Mr. Belvedere, the guy who plays Mr. Belvedere, because

17:39

Bob Euchre was on that show. He

17:41

was the- On that show. He was the- He

17:44

was a star. Yeah. He was hilarious. So

17:47

yeah, go watch Norm Macdonald talking

17:49

about two of them

17:51

meeting John Fogarty. Yeah, John Fogarty

17:53

there. And Norm saying like when

17:56

he said like, yeah, no, he's

17:58

in court. Creedent

18:00

Clearwater revival and Bob Uger's like, yeah, he was on

18:02

all that fucking shit. That

18:05

was the master of this. Oh

18:08

man. What are

18:10

we gonna do? We

18:13

can read, it'll T.S. up. A

18:15

couple of the emails have something to do with the

18:18

debate that we watched. Let's

18:23

just start with the fun one. This is from Chris,

18:25

one of our many Chris's. The

18:28

subject line is, the

18:30

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18:36

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18:38

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18:40

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The wrongdoings are Matt, debased

18:50

drunkenness on a sacred night.

18:55

Camille, having a doctor pound his

18:57

spuds into an impotent pile of

18:59

mashed potatoes. That is false. Moynihan,

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