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streaming now in Oxford May 24th

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and in Boston July 26th. And now

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on with our regular nonsense. On

1:09

this episode, we discuss baby

1:11

geniuses. Not like normal babies

1:14

that are dumbasses. That's

1:16

right. Hey,

1:25

everyone. Welcome

1:42

to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy. I'm

1:45

Stuart Wellington. And I'm

1:47

Elliot Kalin. And guys, before we say

1:49

anything else, before we say anything else,

1:52

anything else, like how the weather is,

1:54

how are we doing, watching the news

1:56

these days, those clowns in Congress, before

1:58

we say anything else. Before we

2:00

say anything about the biodiversity in the world

2:02

today, all the way from alligators to zebras

2:04

with tape ears almost in the middle. Before

2:07

we say anything about just the new technology coming

2:09

our way, AI and stuff, let's, before we say

2:11

anything about any of that stuff, or even the

2:13

movie today, which is Baby Geniuses, or what we

2:15

do on this podcast, which is watch a bad

2:17

movie and talk about it, we've

2:19

got a very exciting guest today that I'm excited to talk

2:21

about before we say anything else. That guest, why

2:24

it's the one, the only, Linda Holmes, one

2:26

of the hosts of NPR's Pop Culture Happy

2:28

Hour, author of the novels, Evie Drake starts

2:31

over and Flying Solo, and I believe there's

2:33

another one coming up at some point. Linda,

2:36

thank you so much for joining us and being on the Flophouse

2:38

today. Oh, thank you so much. This is so

2:40

exciting. And thank you

2:43

so much for watching Baby Geniuses. I

2:46

brought it on myself. I brought it on

2:48

myself. It absolutely was my choice. I'm

2:50

just going to say, like I had some options

2:53

and I was like, Baby Geniuses, sure. And oh, wait,

2:56

I know you can't really do, you can't really do show

2:58

and tell on a podcast. So I apologize. It's so cool.

3:02

But whoa,

3:05

this is

3:07

talking baby fly from

3:10

outfit. What are we going to do? Is that

3:12

from the try on montage? That

3:14

must be that it's like a tuxedo. He's

3:17

got a little graduation cap on. That's

3:19

how you can tell. Oh, that's the

3:21

genius. Now, unfortunately, no matter

3:23

how many fresh batteries we put in him,

3:25

he does not talk anymore. But

3:27

it used to be that if you squeeze

3:29

one hand, he talked like, blah, blah,

3:31

blah, blah, blah, blah, baby talk. And

3:34

if you do the other hand, he would

3:36

say, for example, don't mess

3:38

with the sly man. Oh,

3:40

you look like a real baby. I'm

3:43

the genius here. And this this

3:45

I should say this is actually the property of

3:48

my best friend, Stephen Thompson, who was the founder

3:50

of the AV club and who

3:52

is a collector of that

3:55

kind of thing. Let's

3:57

call it one of his normal stuff. There

4:00

is a there is a talking master P

4:02

doll that lives behind the tiny desk at

4:04

NPR That belongs to Stephen. It is

4:07

one of his two talking master P dolls Which

4:09

he is down to after giving

4:12

away his third talking master

4:14

P doll. Wow And

4:16

yes when you poke its stomach it goes Anyway,

4:22

nothing else could come out of his mouth. That's

4:25

my brief introduction to baby geniuses Uh,

4:27

I brought my I brought my uh, my

4:29

my fast talking sly doll that's

4:32

so so that it's the doll as much of

4:34

a Just a just

4:36

a jerk as the sly in the movie.

4:39

Yeah Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you

4:41

guys felt all that that the sly man the the

4:43

titular baby genius is I did the entire

4:45

movie I just wanted to like

4:47

I don't know hit him. He's like, yeah, it's like this. Wow

4:52

Admits, uh wanting to commit child abuse just

4:54

to a fictional character It's the most arrogant

4:56

baby I've ever seen His

5:00

list of talking baby phrases is

5:02

uh, a stella vista baby, uh-huh

5:05

look out world the time man is here Don't

5:08

mess with the sly man. See you on the

5:10

outside suckers. I'm the genius here and The

5:14

classic and I think you will agree very

5:16

witty. Give me a break Give

5:18

me a break Yeah,

5:21

so yes, he's a jerk. Yes, you know

5:23

Like i'm sure if this all come out

5:26

a couple years later one of those would

5:28

have been like jet fuel cap melt steel

5:30

beams or something Yeah,

5:32

yeah her emails yeah do your own research

5:35

that kind of stuff yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

5:38

That's the vibe he gives off. I can see

5:40

baby sly being like I don't trust the authorities

5:42

i'm gonna i'm gonna figure Yeah for myself. Yeah,

5:44

sure make so So elliot

5:47

talked about this back when we

5:49

weren't talking about anything before introducing

5:51

Linda but we are a podcast where we watch a

5:53

bad movie and we talked about it Quite

5:56

frequently. It's a more recent bad movie, but we've

5:58

been dipping back into the well of the

6:01

classics, the bad movie canon. Yeah,

6:03

the worst of the worst. I've

6:09

heard actually that Super Babies, Baby

6:11

Geniuses 2, is even worse

6:13

than Baby Geniuses, but obviously that film

6:15

would make no sense to us having

6:17

not seen the foundational work Baby Geniuses.

6:19

You joke, Dan, but watching Boss Baby

6:21

Family beat business without seeing the first

6:23

one, I was legitimately lost from much

6:25

of that movie's runtime. I was like,

6:27

what? Who are these characters? What

6:30

is going on here? Why is Baby a boss?

6:33

It assumes so much foreknowledge of the boss-baby

6:35

continuity on the part of the audience. So

6:37

maybe Super Babies, Baby Geniuses 2 would be

6:40

the same way. I mean,

6:42

I have no way of knowing at this

6:44

point. I kind of believe that probably the

6:46

continuity would not be as important. That's

6:49

mostly based on looking at the cast list and not

6:51

seeing a lot of carryover, at least in the adult

6:54

characters. I mean, also the baby characters. I assume

6:56

they had all grown up by the time of

6:58

that. Yeah, probably. No, no, no,

7:00

they're adults now. I mean, they're adults now. Because

7:03

they're not babies in the first

7:05

place, exactly, I would argue. Yeah,

7:07

that's true. Yeah, that's true. They're

7:09

leaving toddlerhood. Are you

7:12

referring to the stunt people who appear

7:15

to be babies? I

7:18

will say that it is weird to me that

7:20

this movie is so predicated

7:23

on the idea that these movies

7:25

have their secret baby language and

7:28

they're clearly of an age that they would have

7:30

started talking. Yeah, that

7:32

is the part that I kept trying

7:34

to figure out. And listen, I

7:37

feel like I have to predate literally everything I

7:39

say about this movie by saying, I don't care.

7:41

I'm not saying that I care. But

7:44

I was laughing at this disorder. You were an

7:46

ear first, folks, right in two. NPR's Pop Culture,

7:48

Happy Hour with Baby Geniuses theories and

7:51

fliners. I'm thinking, first

7:54

of all, OK, my main question is,

7:56

what does this company actually do? baby

8:00

company that is making baby cases. Baby

8:02

Co. Baby Co. They seem to specialize in

8:04

two things, we see them specialize in two things on screen,

8:07

indoor theme parks, which are located

8:10

in their corporate headquarters and also

8:12

like education by indoctrination of babies.

8:14

Seems like they're more of a robot co

8:16

than a baby co if you look at

8:18

their theme park. And they have

8:20

robot ant, I hate, yeah. This

8:23

is a classic super villain thing where it's like instead

8:25

of robbing banks, why didn't

8:27

you patent your machine that

8:30

can melt anything or creates

8:32

vibro shocks that can destabilize

8:34

anything? Why don't you sell that? Because

8:36

that you're really, or your freeze gun. If you have a freeze

8:38

gun, why are you using it to commit

8:40

crime? Yeah, the United States government will give you

8:42

that, will just pay you for that a lot.

8:44

Yeah. You can say your prices, they

8:46

don't care. They'll give you whatever. If you say it's a

8:48

weapon, they're going to love that shit. Yeah. And

8:51

the Baby Co. logo is like an

8:53

atomic energy looking thing. Yeah. It's supposed

8:55

to look like they're a science company.

8:58

Dan, help me. I

9:00

don't, well, I was wondering. You asked him the wrong guy. Thank

9:03

you. I was wondering, you

9:05

know, like when Baby Einstein came

9:07

out in relation to this

9:09

because like one side of

9:11

their business seems to be sort of

9:13

maybe a Baby Einstein style, like, yeah,

9:15

you know, make your baby smart thing.

9:19

But then yeah, they have this other secret thing.

9:22

I don't want to get too far into the actual plot

9:24

because Stuart will talk about it. But

9:27

I laughed early on when I think

9:29

it was Christopher Lloyd said, take them

9:31

back to the secret laboratory. And I'm

9:33

like, around here, we just call it

9:36

the laboratory. They're going to take him

9:38

to the regular laboratory. But there's a

9:40

secret one underneath. Yeah. The

9:42

regular laboratory where they're just working on polymers and

9:44

they'd be like, why is the live baby right

9:46

here? What are you doing? Wasn't blood baby karate-ing

9:48

us? I

9:51

do want to get into the plot. But before we do

9:53

that, I do want to take a moment to talk

9:55

about Bob Clark, maybe. There's

9:58

two human beings involved in this. I'd love to

10:00

talk about one in our producer, John Voight.

10:02

This was a passion project for him for

10:04

a while to get this made. But also,

10:07

yeah, director Bob Clark, who has one of

10:09

the more scatter shot filmographies, you might say.

10:11

Yeah, a couple of noted

10:13

classics, very influential films.

10:16

I wouldn't call it what he's a classic.

10:18

Well, depending on whatever, depending

10:20

on whatever, well, yeah, that's a

10:23

very influential movie. To be of

10:25

three extremely influential movies, whether or

10:27

not you think they're good, on

10:30

the more critically acclaimed

10:32

side, of course, Black Christmas, one

10:34

of the earliest slashers, you've got

10:36

A Christmas Story, which became a

10:38

cable classic. And

10:42

then of course, Porky's, which

10:44

kicked off a wave of

10:46

more mainstream TNA

10:49

teen sex comedies after

10:51

that being sort of like bubbling under the

10:53

surface in the late 70s for a while.

10:58

America had decided that college kids, they were

11:00

done with. College kids were not sexy enough.

11:02

They needed high school students to be sexy

11:04

in American movies. A movement that I disagree

11:06

with, but other people may feel that way.

11:09

To be clear, the actors were not. Which

11:13

by the way, that was the joke that Audrey made when

11:15

she came in and saw the babies conquering people. She's like,

11:17

you know, that baby's 15. That's the way they

11:19

do it in Hollywood. And I

11:21

will say Bob Clark also made a movie called Death Dream

11:23

that I recommended on a flat-pass episode a long time ago.

11:25

That's a good movie. And he's got

11:27

a dead Vietnam vet who comes back to

11:30

his family and is as close as it

11:32

feels like Bob Clark came to making like

11:34

a political statement. Right. But

11:36

on the other hand, Until this movie's like. Until

11:39

you get this, yeah. He's got

11:41

Rhinestone, the movie where Slice Alone

11:43

learns to sing country music with

11:45

Kelly Clarkson. You gotta do it.

11:47

That was a fun, bad movie. Okay,

11:49

I've been trying to think like, you

11:51

know how Jamel has the hedgehog beat?

11:54

Yeah. I've been trying to think like, did

11:56

I want my beat to be babies or geniuses? But

11:58

I think maybe it should be Bob. Yeah,

12:01

yeah, you could be our Bob Clark correspondent if there's

12:03

a limit to how many of those movies there are

12:05

but there's also limits How many hedgehogs I was just

12:07

gonna say the beat doesn't have to be infinite The

12:11

beat just has to have as much as you would ever

12:13

want to have me on anyway. Oh, yeah But

12:16

did you want to say anything about John Voight and

12:18

his relationship to this movie now that we've talked about

12:21

a little bit About Bob Clark because Bob Clark because

12:23

you you might think to yourself Bob Clark. He made

12:25

a lot of schlock He probably pitched this movie. No

12:28

John Voight pitched this movie to Bob Clark to

12:30

make John Voight's production company had this script called

12:32

baby geniuses I was doing some research and they're

12:35

saying how there was like a portal to Baby-land

12:37

like a world where babies ruled and which is

12:39

kind of what the boss baby adults are old

12:42

Yeah, and a baby's ruled and adults ruled just

12:44

like in the in the movie when dinosaurs drool

12:46

beers The

12:50

end that they had like a special

12:52

effects test reel Showing that

12:54

they could make babies look like they were

12:56

talking using A

12:59

good question true and and that Bob Clark was

13:01

like, okay I'll rewrite this script and make it

13:03

something different But this was for whatever reason this

13:05

was just like a thing John Voight really wanted

13:07

to get off the ground and when this movie

13:09

Was coming out None of the stars

13:11

the movie as far as I know did the talk

13:13

show rounds John Voight did the talk show rounds because

13:16

I remember Him being on the Daily Show to promote

13:18

this movie baby geniuses and they showed the clip where

13:20

the baby is like we're slides like trying on different

13:22

clothes and then like somebody stopped me and it's like

13:25

Remember like how baffling it was that John Voight

13:28

was doing this And this was I guess the

13:30

beginning of his descent into madness as it became

13:32

like a just like a hardcore Conservative,

13:35

but I don't know very strange. I love

13:37

the idea that Bob

13:39

Clark was convinced by this test reel because that

13:41

feels like such a Jurassic Park

13:43

moment where it's like just because

13:45

you can't do it. You never I

13:50

always assumed that what changed John Voight

13:52

was anaconda, right? Yeah Inside

13:55

the snake. Yeah being filmed

13:57

on the inside the snake can Oh,

14:00

the snake cam is so good, but the inside the

14:02

snake cam is so much better. I

14:05

have a friend who every time, uh, back in high

14:07

school, every time he would get drunk, we'd be like,

14:09

do it, do what it gets. Do John Voight. And

14:11

he goes, these are my babies. They

14:14

like, hold up fake eggs. It's so

14:16

funny. Do it every time. Man,

14:20

that's a clap. Terrible movie. What a

14:22

picture. Okay. Uh, so let's

14:24

get into the plot of baby geniuses.

14:26

Now, if I sound a little bit

14:29

weird, that's because I'm coming to you

14:31

live from the courtyard, Marriott and Fort

14:33

Wayne, Indiana. Uh, as you

14:35

can see in my, if Alex posts this

14:37

clip, I look like I'm the most divorced

14:39

podcaster, but

14:42

now I'm in Indiana helping my parents with

14:44

some stuff and that means I watch baby

14:47

geniuses on the plane. So if I missed

14:49

anything, it's because I wasn't paying attention

14:51

to the screen and was trying to hide

14:53

it so that I didn't get like arrested

14:55

by a fucking air marshal or something, baby

14:57

geniuses. Um, okay. So,

14:59

uh, the movie opens with Sylvester

15:02

who I have to

15:04

insist is a baby. Okay.

15:06

He's from a top secret lab. Uh,

15:08

and he can walk and

15:11

despite that he, and he can

15:13

karate despite his karate skills, he

15:15

is still captured by evil doctor

15:17

Christopher Lloyd and taken back to

15:19

a secret lab run by dr.

15:22

Kindler, uh, played by

15:24

Kathleen Turner. Yeah. That's

15:27

also a sad, you know, auger of

15:29

things to come for Kathleen Turner. Uh,

15:32

I, I was confused by the kung fu powers just

15:35

right from the start. Cause I'm like, yeah. Okay.

15:38

So he has, uh, the proportional strength of

15:41

genius, I guess. He's

15:44

able to get leverage. There's moments where babies

15:46

are swinging from ropes, kicking people. And I'm

15:48

like, yeah, I don't give a shit. It's a baby. It's

15:50

not like they weigh that much. Yeah.

15:53

There's a bit where babies swing on a rope.

15:55

Adults are standing there going, Oh,

15:57

for a while. And letting them embrace

15:59

themselves. As a parent, little

16:01

small children throw themselves at me constantly to try to

16:03

knock me over or because they want me to hold

16:05

them. It's not that yet. It's

16:08

not going to knock you over unless you're taken

16:10

by surprise, which almost nobody is. That's sort of

16:12

a gravity thing, yeah? Yeah, they're so small. You

16:14

can pick them up and throw them really easily,

16:16

but I guess it's a kung fu power. It's

16:18

daijuto. They're using your bigness against you, you know?

16:20

Yeah. Speaking of battling babies, so

16:22

let's hear... Battling Baby is the project we

16:24

should be working on right now, sir. Feel

16:26

like going to the Barbarian and be the

16:28

baby. It's a pretty cool to million dollar

16:30

baby, you know that. So Sylvester's

16:33

main mode later, as we'll see, is kicking guys

16:35

in the crotch. And I feel like he used

16:38

a lot of weapons, and I feel like kids

16:40

are already pretty good at hitting you in the

16:42

crotch without weapons. Like Elliot,

16:44

I've seen you get hit in the crotch

16:46

hundreds of times by children. Happened to me

16:48

just the other day. They'll do it accidentally.

16:50

They'll do it on purpose. They

16:53

know it hurts, and they want to go for it, yeah. Uh-huh.

16:57

Okay, so we get a little bit of backstory from

16:59

the doctors. They have a top secret lab under a

17:01

building. There are twin babies. Sylvester,

17:03

who we are going to call Sly

17:05

from now on, Sly and Wit, who

17:09

are raised separately. Wit is

17:11

raised with normal parents, and

17:14

Sly is raised with... I

17:16

don't know. Okay,

17:18

granted, those normal parents are

17:20

portrayed by TV superstars Kim

17:23

Kachrol and Peter McNichol. So

17:27

he's raised by the film work of those

17:29

two fine actors. The star of Dragon

17:32

Flayers 2. Split second.

17:34

Ghostbusters 2, and of course

17:36

Kim Kachrol in Porky's with

17:39

Spock Park. Big trouble in

17:41

little China, the movie that I don't like that much,

17:43

Beezle and Mark and Kim. Mannequin,

17:45

sure. But yeah, probably at

17:47

this point, more known for Allie

17:50

McBeal and Sex and the City. Well, the thing

17:52

I love about them is that they

17:54

made this before Sex and the City started,

17:57

but it came out after Sex and the

17:59

City started. And you got to

18:01

think for her that's like Sex and

18:03

the City is hitting, it's doing great. She's like,

18:05

oh, she's like, oh,

18:07

I still got that. You know,

18:10

because she's and I will say also, Stuart, you kind of,

18:12

you know, you went right by

18:14

the masterful exposition on that, like,

18:17

TRS 80 level computer that they have in

18:19

the lab. Yeah. Where

18:21

they like have the and this was 1999. I

18:23

feel like this looks like a 19.

18:25

I mean, this looks like this

18:28

looks like, you know, the computer in pretty

18:30

and pink when they move

18:32

into the. Yeah. Okay. Yes.

18:35

Also that computer in pretty and pink, like, could you do

18:38

that with computers back then? That seems wild. I mean, there

18:40

was a movie around that time where a computer made a

18:42

woman. So like lots of things

18:44

for movies. But I feel like the exposition,

18:47

the exposition 5000 or whatever

18:49

this computer is called is on the level

18:51

with that pretty and pink computer. And that

18:53

was like many years earlier. This is like even

18:55

for 1999. It's

18:57

like, guys, I was on AOL by then. They

18:59

are. Why are you skimping on

19:02

your corporate graphics, your corporate videos to show

19:04

each other your plan? I will

19:06

say they are a baby company. So

19:08

maybe the money is going into the baby step.

19:10

But it is it is very funny. Anytime a

19:12

character in a movie, as Christopher Lloyd does here

19:14

goes computer, explain to me all the stuff I

19:16

know already. And then it tells you everything about

19:18

the story. It's like, yes, I was checking your

19:21

computer. I was testing whether you knew it. Yeah.

19:24

I think. Oh, sorry. I

19:26

just got just because we brought it up. Sorry, Stuart. I

19:28

know we're doing a lot of this up because

19:30

we brought it up. I do feel like

19:32

for me and I know I need to

19:34

get back to talking about magic babies or

19:36

whatever. Yeah. We

19:38

get plotting of baby magic babies, magic

19:41

babies. I

19:43

texted the guys that like we're

19:45

talking about Kim control to me. The boys,

19:48

you guys are one of them. Do

19:50

the other for me. Kim control comes

19:52

out of this looking the best

19:55

actually, because I don't know what you do.

19:58

You got a nothing part. But

20:00

she hits it just right like she gets

20:03

the tone just right in the way that

20:05

a lot of the movie around her is

20:07

Catic and unpleasant I think

20:09

there's two MVPs in this movie I feel like

20:11

it is Kim control who is doing as

20:14

good a job as she can in it and Kathleen

20:16

Turner who at least is Trying to reach that note

20:18

of like I'm I'm an

20:20

evil businesswoman who's yelling at a baby

20:22

going? Oh baby, yeah, I'm

20:24

Growed a bill occasionally looking

20:26

there is one moment in particular where she

20:28

looks like she's going to hit on the baby Turner

20:38

very sexy, but I don't really want to see her

20:40

like coming up behind a baby like She

20:44

can't control her sultriness and

20:47

and then on the other end you have like Peter

20:49

McNichol an actor who I think is really great who

20:51

is It's maybe the worst

20:53

I've ever seen him doing anything like and it's

20:55

I don't know He's playing it a little his

20:57

character like like his character is a

20:59

baby who's an adult like the way he talks and

21:01

everything But you're also famous a lot

21:04

of other big stars in here Dom Delouise is the

21:06

comic relief Ruby Dee the

21:08

legend Ruby Dee end

21:10

up with this It's

21:12

amazing sometimes when you're watching you're watching movies

21:15

and you're like This is a person

21:17

who like God should have stepped in and said Ruby

21:19

Dee you're too good for this Like you shouldn't be

21:21

doing this right now, but you know actors like working,

21:23

you know Well, it always wants me to do it

21:26

Well, it makes me want to like and I'm sure it's

21:28

not the case in this case But it always makes months

21:30

to Google like Ruby Dee IRS, you

21:32

know How

21:36

do people end up in this situation but you

21:38

never you never know because that's it was around

21:40

the same time that she was Doing this that that

21:44

Aussie Davis her husband was doing like Bubba Hotep, right?

21:46

And that's the thing that could have been it could

21:48

have been like what are you doing here? But he's

21:50

really good in it and that's a real fun movie

21:52

So you never know you never know when it when

21:54

a movie's gonna turn out good or not I mean

21:56

Ruby Dee should have probably known that baby geniuses Good,

21:58

but you never know Maybe she just wanted

22:01

to hang out with some toddlers. Yes, you want to get out

22:03

of the house, you know, I get it Okay,

22:05

so yeah, they did they did shoot this

22:07

in tuscany, right? Classic

22:13

Sandler motivation Okay,

22:22

so to get back to that actual

22:24

exposition these two twin babies have been

22:27

separated since birth one of them raised

22:29

normal style One raised with a

22:31

bunch of super secret babies in

22:33

a like Akira style nursery where the magic

22:35

babies Just kind of sit around and talk.

22:38

They have like a long or something I'm

22:41

very glad sir that you brought up the Akira

22:43

Comparison because my first saw that world was I

22:45

was like, this is why Hollywood should not do

22:47

an American remake of Akira They do not get

22:49

it. It's gonna look just like this Yeah And

22:53

the idea is that when they are both one these

22:55

two babies are each six years old Not

22:57

six years old combined like three that wouldn't make

22:59

sense. But when they're both six years old When

23:05

they're both six years old they're gonna bring them

23:07

together and they're gonna see which I guess which

23:09

baby's better They're

23:14

trying to prove that the kinder method

23:18

Kathleen Turner's scientist character that

23:21

her method is better. I guess

23:23

that raising super babies Which we'll

23:25

find out in part two What

23:29

what is the method other than they

23:31

like Plan that

23:33

from outer space dinner theater. Yeah, you find

23:35

the babies and then you stick them in

23:37

a basement You

23:41

never let them see sunlight and You

23:44

have computers around. Yeah, and

23:46

especially because what they're doing Isn't

23:49

that it's not like well, what

23:51

are they doing that's making them G? I mean, I

23:53

guess he's really good at building things and he can

23:55

reprogram a security system and stuff and later on he

23:57

has a sense of style Oh,

24:00

baby genius. Later on,

24:03

we learn that babies

24:05

are sort of attuned to the mysteries

24:08

of the universe when they're young and

24:10

they lose that as they get older. And

24:13

so maybe she's doing absolutely nothing. It

24:16

seems like it's a weird sort of conflicting

24:18

thing to have her have this system, but then

24:20

also be like, oh, the

24:22

Tibetans thought or whatever. But

24:25

like, oh, the babies are carriers of a genetic

24:27

legacy and they're able to live our

24:30

and understand our ancestors. Okay.

24:32

So we flash

24:34

forward to the opening of the Baby

24:37

Co. theme park, Joy World. Kathleen

24:40

Turner is, she's

24:42

there, I guess, cutting the ribbon. This

24:44

is a theme park that is filled

24:46

with a lot of robots. Everything's robot

24:48

controlled, including the animals at the robot

24:50

zoo. There's a robot. Tell me

24:52

about the robot baby. A giant robot baby

24:54

is a crime against nature. It's

24:58

a horror that I

25:01

was terrified to behold. You

25:04

guys have thoughts for a picture of it too. Although

25:09

we are trying to divest from this

25:11

particular website, it's still where our largest

25:14

number of followers are. So there's

25:16

a silk road, a

25:19

tweet on X that

25:21

shows the giant baby. If

25:23

you want to dig back through the

25:25

archives, but it will haunt your dreams.

25:28

Why would you have that at a theme park? Like

25:31

when I was little, my parents took us to Walt Disney

25:33

World and my sister was scared to

25:35

death of me, the

25:37

pirate from Peter Pan. And

25:40

because he's like less in charge.

25:43

Like he's more desperate than Captain

25:45

Hook. I don't know. I don't,

25:47

I don't really remember why. I just remember

25:49

Smee was very scary to her. Or

25:52

just afraid of Bob Hoskins. It

25:55

could be that it was scary to me and I'm

25:57

projecting it onto my sister to avoid. admitting

26:00

my vulnerabilities, but kids

26:02

are very weird about what is scary.

26:04

And so if you have an eight

26:07

foot baby who's walking around going, hello

26:09

little girl, who

26:11

would put that in a

26:13

theme park? You're trying to make money. I

26:19

don't care. It's also, it's

26:21

prohibitively expensive to say, just dress someone up

26:24

like a big baby. When it'd be much

26:26

cheaper to create an entire robot baby that

26:28

still has to be controlled manually by someone

26:30

in a booth. Like it's not, they're not

26:32

very good robots. Exactly. Disney

26:35

doesn't use robot Snee. No,

26:38

and as we see later, they also have like

26:40

a robot alien that shoots actual lasers. I

26:44

was like, did the baby genius reprogram that

26:46

somehow or do they just have like live

26:49

ray guns that they walk around with? In

26:51

a children's theme park. I feel like

26:54

the day of shooting, they showed up and

26:56

Jon Voight's like, hey, we got the robot

26:58

baby already and Bob Clark's like, oh

27:00

yeah, it's good. So

27:02

we asked that Jon, and Jon's like, nope, it's already. He's

27:05

like, I didn't think we could afford it. He's like, I

27:07

found the money. This

27:09

is for my personal, I funded it myself. I put a reverse mortgage

27:11

on my house so we could get a robot baby. Yeah,

27:15

Tom, so he's counting his money. Okay,

27:17

so yeah, we see the RoboZoo. A

27:20

key thing is that they make a point that all

27:22

the children get access to a remote control for

27:24

the robot animals. That

27:26

is our Chekhov's robots. We

27:30

then cut to Peter McNichol and Kim

27:32

Kertrell run a childcare out

27:35

of their home. It's

27:38

like a childcare research center. Yeah,

27:41

they're out. Okay, yeah. Send

27:44

your kid to daycare to get experimented

27:46

on. You know, everybody wouldn't do

27:48

that. And help

27:50

Dom DeLuise do plumbing stuff

27:53

and handyman stuff. I

27:55

was really happy to see Dom DeLuise show up.

27:57

How do I admit that like, as a kid-

28:00

kid, I was

28:02

like, this guy's dumb. Like

28:04

this guy's a dumb guy

28:06

who does dumb comedy and dumb things, which

28:09

is not wrong. But now that

28:11

I'm an adult, I have a fondness for

28:13

it. I'm like, this is a man who

28:15

is really committed to being dumb and broad.

28:17

I definitely, I also, the same

28:19

way that I appreciate the three stooges much more now than

28:21

I did when I was a kid, when I did

28:23

not care for them, like dumb Deloese, I, I

28:26

appreciate him more now. But when I was a kid, I

28:28

was like, this guy is sweaty. He is trying so hard

28:30

and he always seems like he's on the verge of like

28:33

failing and collapsing and now I get that that's

28:35

kind of like part of his shtick. You know,

28:37

uh, just remember his voice, uh, his voice

28:39

performance in, in American tail when I was a

28:42

kid, I was always like, I don't

28:44

like this, but like, it's like, he's trying so hard to please

28:46

me and it, and it just makes him seem pathetic in my

28:48

eyes. And I'm like, Oh, I see you supposed to be pathetic.

28:50

I get it. All right. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

28:53

I, the same thing with like secret of

28:55

an M we rewatched that, uh, recently. And,

28:57

you know, I love that movie, but I

29:00

see I, I, maybe I'm putting this on

29:02

Audrey and it wasn't her. Like, I feel like she

29:04

reacted to like, what is this annoying girl? I'm like,

29:06

well, that's dumb Deloese. You know, it just comes with

29:08

the territory of Louise. Yeah.

29:12

He was like, uh, they ever

29:14

played planet zoo or planet coaster? No,

29:17

you build, you build like a zoo or

29:19

a theme park, you know, and this

29:21

is a game. Of course. I don't

29:24

actually build zoos, but you go in

29:26

and you, I heard about

29:28

the family that bought one. Well,

29:30

you'll be glad to know that the first time I made

29:33

one, I titled my, my zoo, the we bought a zoo.

29:37

Exactly. That joke. Cause I'm not that dork,

29:39

but when you go in, you can like

29:41

build buildings from scratch, or you can just go in

29:43

and you can just like import an entire building already

29:45

built, right? Like I'm just going to build the, take

29:47

the little, um, a little, uh,

29:49

Slurpee stand already built. Yeah. Here's falling water.

29:52

Just to get in there. Exactly. And

29:54

when you put Dom Deloese in

29:56

your movie. You're basically taking all

29:58

his Dom Deloese-ness as. thing and

30:00

you're just like moving it over and putting it

30:02

in the movie. You're not like building

30:04

a character from scratch. You're just

30:07

using the blueprint that is

30:09

Dom Delo. Which is fine. You're just

30:11

taking him, you're putting him directly into

30:13

the movie and he will do the same thing that

30:15

he does. And people will still like

30:18

it the same way that they will like your prefab flurpy

30:20

stand at your zoo. Yeah. Arguably

30:22

Al Pacino is kind of the same way. I

30:24

mean now, Al Pacino wasn't always that... I mean Dom Delo

30:26

I guess wasn't always that way either. Like you watch in

30:29

Blaeth and Saddles, he's such a different character

30:31

in his one scene in that. But...

30:35

He went dramatic with Batso, a movie

30:37

that I have

30:39

never seen in his entirety. I just remember

30:41

being on HBO and being like, why would

30:43

I want to watch a movie

30:45

about this man being sad? Okay,

30:49

well, so we are introduced to Dom

30:51

Deloese who plays a plumber, handyman character.

30:53

And we also meet Wit, who

30:55

is the twin brother of Sly. And

30:58

we can tell that they are twins because

31:00

his first act is to smash Dom Deloese

31:02

in the balls with a wrench. That would

31:04

hurt so bad. Have a wrench in your

31:06

own ear. At your crotch. Yeah.

31:09

Yeah, that's the whole point. Okay.

31:14

Meanwhile, Kathleen Turner and Christopher

31:16

Lloyd are running a secret lab for

31:18

eight genius babies. These genius

31:20

babies are the product of their very

31:22

expensive orphanage program. It's like the orphanage

31:24

program is like a loss leader for

31:26

their babies. I don't quite get it.

31:29

Everyone has said, I don't understand the

31:31

business behind it. I

31:34

want to be a businessman. I think that's...

31:36

Does Kathleen Turner have the orphanage? I think

31:38

that's their farm team for who's going to

31:41

be baby geniuses. Who's going to be a

31:43

genius baby? And they're like scouting out who's

31:45

got the talent to be a genius. The

31:47

important thing is like every children's movie made

31:49

in the 1980s and 1990s, there was a

31:52

certain amount of talk of corporate

31:55

hierarchy and structure and

31:57

also tax planning for the

32:00

expansion of a family business. You

32:02

have to have that in the kids movie

32:04

from this area. Kids love corporate hijinks. They

32:06

love knowing who's in charge of a company

32:08

and how that company operates. Kids love it.

32:10

Well I saw the thing we saw about

32:12

it. We're restructuring our loan, kids. My

32:15

kids, every night they're like, can you read us barbarians

32:17

at the gate? Can you read us the smartest guys

32:19

in the room? All right, can I read you a

32:21

picture book? No, no, no, read us, I ran out

32:23

of business books. Those are the only ones I know.

32:25

Who moved my cheese is that one? I don't

32:27

know. That's more of an inspirational kind of motivational

32:30

book. Did they set the

32:32

little bonfire of the vanities? Oh yeah, yeah, I

32:34

mean, you know, it's kind of a Wall Street

32:36

satire, but I think that would work. I think

32:38

that would. I'll try it. I think

32:40

if they care about businesses. But

32:43

I saw the same thing that you saw, Elliot,

32:45

about Jon Voight's original script for this and then

32:47

like how Bob Clark came on and he's like,

32:50

no, we gotta ground this in reality. We

32:52

gotta put it in this world of corporate

32:54

intrigue. I felt the same way. Why

32:57

did adults back then think that this is

33:00

what kids wanted out of their movies? I

33:02

don't know. Well, I guess it was just in the air.

33:04

This was the Go Go 1999s, you know? So,

33:08

yeah, maybe Reagan required it. Every movie

33:10

think about companies or the millennium? They've

33:12

done it in like big, I guess. Yeah.

33:15

Like the kid goes into a

33:17

big business and, you know, I

33:20

don't know, wrangles corporate

33:22

guys. Now how much business is in the

33:24

movie, big business though? A

33:29

lot of business. I just remember liking

33:31

it, but that's probably my childhood affection

33:33

for the two stars. Twin based farce,

33:35

isn't it? Yeah, twin based. Okay. Okay,

33:38

so the important thing is down in the

33:40

secret lab, they have figured something out. None

33:42

of it's important still, but that's the video.

33:45

That the dumb baby crap that we have

33:47

come to believe, whether it's their baby

33:50

art, baby communication, all that stuff,

33:52

that it is actually highly advanced

33:54

and it retains this like genetic

33:56

legacy of everybody who has come

33:59

before them. So what it

34:01

sounds like mishmash, it sounds like some

34:03

kind of grindcore record instead It's actually

34:05

like very highly detailed orchestral

34:08

compositions On

34:10

you know on par with rock monon off

34:12

or some yeah, one of the babies like

34:15

scribbles They're like, oh, it's actually cuneiform I

34:17

like how the computer like

34:19

takes random parts of the scribbles and

34:21

reassembles them into That's not that's

34:23

just they're not writing cuneiform if you have to

34:25

do that Yep, and this

34:27

is when Kathleen Turner says my favorite line in

34:30

the movie every baby might know

34:32

the secrets of the universe I

34:35

feel like it is such this movie takes a couple

34:37

of big leaps and the first one is Okay,

34:39

when babies are jabbering with each other. That's

34:42

the language. Okay, I'll buy that leap Another

34:44

one is babies are really smart But once

34:46

they start learning English or they're you know

34:48

grown-up language They kind of lose that

34:50

smartness and they become dumb as they develop into

34:53

adults Okay, there's something kind of satirical on that

34:55

like all you know, when we lose the innocence

34:57

of childhood You know, we lose a little bit

34:59

of wisdom I understand that and then they jump

35:01

to these babies are in touch with the secrets

35:03

of the universe and they never define what these

35:05

Secrets of the universe are they're even looking for

35:07

what is that about? It's a big leap. It's

35:10

a big logical leap well but also I Went

35:13

to Roger Ebert's review of this as I

35:15

often do for like these older movies and

35:17

he points out that these babies are Right

35:19

these babies may be like wise,

35:22

you know Cosmic geniuses, but they

35:24

use terms like diaper gravy Okay,

35:27

I assume we're gonna get there because I

35:29

need to talk about that fucking joke

35:31

like I Heard

35:36

it and then I heard it again, then

35:38

I heard it again and then

35:41

I saw it in captions Yeah,

35:45

this is all in five minutes

35:48

Yeah term diaper gravy when I

35:51

feel like I should put Stewart get back to the plot but I

35:55

Know this was it that I was

35:57

I also was like, what is this but then I was

35:59

so distracted by the sex banter between

36:01

Hobo Sly and the girl, the baby

36:03

girl in the baby carriage, that I

36:05

was like, I can't, you know what?

36:07

Dythra Gravia's taking a backseat. It

36:10

is implied that they've had a dalliance in the

36:12

carriage. Am I insane? Yeah, yeah, that's how

36:14

they spot clothes. So this is what we'll talk about. He needs her

36:16

clothes and he says, take your clothes off and she goes, at least

36:18

buy me dinner first. And I'm like, I don't want this in a

36:20

kid's movie. I want this in any movie. And then when he

36:23

leaves, she's like, call me, I'm listed. And

36:25

she's smoking us a car. No, no, it's

36:27

so bad. Oh man.

36:31

Oh, yeah, let's get back to this plot. Sly

36:35

may be in touch with the figures of the universe, but he also

36:37

knows a lot of catch phrases because the other kids say he's always watching

36:39

TV. Guys, we've

36:41

been talking about how these babies are

36:43

talking all the time and saying all

36:45

this shit. Well, actually in the movie,

36:47

the babies don't start talking until right

36:49

now, when all of a sudden the

36:52

eight super genius babies start talking to

36:54

each other, their lips digitally enhanced,

36:57

whatever to make it seem like they're able to

36:59

talk. It's kind of like short story about the

37:01

device you put on a baby to make it

37:04

look like it's saying, I love you because they

37:06

want the babies to talk in it. And, and

37:08

the, well, anyway, there's a whole short story. I

37:10

will say I've seen some really bad computer assisted like

37:16

baby mouth movements and like commercials or

37:18

other bullshit. Like the E-Tray baby? Yeah,

37:21

this is, I, you know, I'll give it to

37:23

baby geniuses. This looks pretty

37:25

natural. Like it was done by like, I

37:28

guess like recording these babies.

37:31

Unsubscribe. I mean,

37:33

not natural, obviously your brain rejects

37:35

it. Like your brain is like,

37:37

but back in my day, we would

37:40

make babies lips move by slapping some

37:42

peanut butter in their mouth. I just

37:44

say like, like they recorded, I guess

37:46

these babies just saying like, they're normal

37:49

like, they're like gibberish around the set.

37:52

And then we'd find like the phenomes

37:54

or whatever and like put them

37:56

together. It was better than

37:58

I expected out of baby geniuses. I'm

38:00

not gonna say it should have like won the fucking

38:02

Oscar for Just

38:07

they're just the sounds coming out and the

38:09

lips are just the lips are just like moving

38:11

but I I reject the idea that

38:13

they I and you

38:16

are a kind and optimistic always

38:18

and I Understand

38:20

that you are taking them at their word and

38:22

normally I would do that too But

38:24

I I look at this and I

38:27

just saw just flappy flappy

38:29

flappy cartoon lips Are you saying babies they

38:31

did it like mr. Ed style? They just gave

38:33

the baby some peanut butter No,

38:35

I think they animated it, but I think they

38:37

animated it kind of randomly I think just like

38:39

this is how long this baby is talking. We're

38:42

gonna give seven flaps I'll be

38:44

the mouth maker between you two set this

38:46

rift doesn't destroy the podcast I will say

38:48

there were times when the lips looked pretty

38:50

good and there are times when it looks

38:53

really random and just like they Shoved whatever

38:55

yeah into whatever movements now this be Kaylin

38:57

raves baby. Look pretty good In

39:00

my in my research I also saw that at

39:03

one point they experimented with having grown-up voices coming

39:05

out of the babies Which would have been horrifying?

39:07

I don't like that The only thing look who's

39:09

talking not a total nightmare is that the

39:12

baby's mouths are not moving while they're

39:14

all grown-up voices Yeah, yeah, you

39:16

know what? I'll admit I had a hard time

39:18

paying attention to these babies So maybe I saw

39:20

a moment that it was good and then I'm

39:22

pretty sure I mean

39:24

these babies are so unlikable. They're so

39:26

unfunny. They're so full of themselves I

39:28

want an arc once a narc

39:30

and that there this baby named basil to

39:32

be honest by the end I was sympathetic

39:35

with basil just because sly is so unlikable.

39:37

He's such an unlikable main character It's the

39:39

thing when like you agree with somebody but

39:41

they are so unlikable You're like, I guess

39:43

I'm gonna side with your opponent just cuz

39:46

I find you so detestable You know sly is

39:48

I don't like him. He is the ultimate kind of

39:50

90s movie hero in that

39:53

he's always quipping He thinks he's great.

39:55

He calls himself the sly man. He

39:57

just has such a totally unearned sense

39:59

of entitlement that comes with these

40:01

white male babies. They just think they should be.

40:04

He's a poochy. They just think they're better than everybody

40:06

else. He's got the

40:08

quality that has caused a certain

40:10

reconsideration of Ferris Bueller as a

40:12

movie director. Yeah, he's got that

40:14

kind of like, I get away with

40:17

everything, isn't that amazing? Doesn't everybody love

40:19

me? And then you're kind of like,

40:21

oh, maybe not. Maybe I've met too many

40:23

entitled people in my life at this point. Exactly.

40:26

What seemed like a charming power fantasy is now a

40:28

disturbing power fantasy. Well, because when you're young, you're like,

40:30

I wish I could do that. And then when you're

40:32

older, yeah, exactly. You're like, well, I've met people like

40:35

that. I hate them. You're like, that guy's the reason

40:37

everybody else has to stay late at work. He's

40:41

the reason that they have all that security at

40:43

parades now. Nobody

40:46

just jumps up on a float and takes over. So

40:49

speaking of annoying people, we meet Ice

40:52

Pick, the nephew, I guess, is he

40:54

the nephew of Kim Kachrol and Peter

40:56

McNichol? I think he just works for

40:58

them. I believe it or

41:00

not, I tried to figure this out. And

41:02

I think he just works. He's got a

41:05

deep wardrobe. Yeah. He

41:07

has a lot of style looks throughout. He's

41:09

trying on different personas from Buddhist monk to

41:11

London punk. He's got a lot of different

41:13

ways he looks. I sympathize

41:15

a bit with Ice Pick because the adults

41:18

were kind of condescending to

41:20

the style choices. I mean, Kim Kachrol

41:22

is pretty nicely joking about

41:24

it, but Ruby D would be plucking

41:27

at his earrings or whatever. So no,

41:29

no, thanks. Like let Ice Pick

41:31

be Ice Pick. Okay. Ice

41:36

Pick keeps trying on different personalities and

41:39

different personas, like young people do, but

41:41

instead of really exploring who he is,

41:43

he's just putting on different costumes. He's

41:45

just appropriating other people's ideas rather than

41:47

exploring his own drawings. I

41:49

want Ice Pick to be Ice Pick, but Ice

41:51

Pick isn't letting Ice Pick be Ice Pick, Dan.

41:54

Ice Pick, let Ice Pick be Ice Pick. You

41:56

know, Dan, back in the day, more than 20

41:58

years ago, Right

42:00

for a website called. Tellers of that,

42:02

Betty. They. Teased me one time

42:04

and they said your problem is your the nice

42:07

one. For. Fans I was

42:09

very offended and I said i'm not the

42:11

nice one. But. I realized

42:13

later that in many ways I was

42:15

in Iceland and then. Urban

42:17

Iceland. But. For every say

42:19

that I think my problem is

42:21

that mostly the most one about

42:24

movies and them. as soon realized

42:26

I can be sort of grumpy.

42:29

For your like, I've only heard you like the neighbor and

42:31

home alone. your real grumpy and off putting but there's a

42:34

hard a gold in there when the when a little kid

42:36

get as we learned and I didn't hear that. He

42:38

cd I could be easy a good quality

42:40

in every in every movie. It's a

42:42

pretty litter during yeah, But

42:44

what we said? All in any and

42:46

even to somebody as terrible as I spent. and

42:49

I'm just saying. Yeah. Sorry I spoke

42:51

was kind of years. heresy. I just. Thought

42:54

of as hello Now the truth

42:56

comes out there. So meanwhile Apis

42:59

Daycare Research Center whatever the fuck

43:01

it is Peter Mcnair your is

43:03

filming the baby's faces and he

43:06

suspects that Whips is speaking English.

43:08

He thinks he catches of actual

43:10

English phrase from the baby's mouth

43:13

not replacement is taking English or

43:15

said he understood what he said

43:17

and baby talk. At

43:20

the same question is Elliott? I mean which

43:22

is. Why? Are

43:24

you near the expert on baby Geniuses?

43:26

Well as a Seattle A movie? What

43:29

Will business? I didn't seem fazed sunday

43:31

Sunday and voice subsequent seems. He.

43:33

seems to be the only one who see

43:36

and understand it so i think that like

43:38

everyone else has hearing syverson epidemic or as

43:40

you said he's like a big baby so

43:42

maybe for teams that connection to baby language

43:44

because of this might that's my guess is

43:47

appear mythical is like this character is going

43:49

to eventually decode baby language so have him

43:51

like an innocent and he seems like i'm

43:53

a kid who's pretending to be an adult

43:56

doesn't have a favorite was a good actor

43:58

isn't a lot of great stuff. Like he's

44:00

great. So the, I have to assume that

44:02

was there was some kind of reasoning behind

44:04

that those choices, you know, okay.

44:07

Uh, we also learned that wit

44:10

believes that he is psychically implanting,

44:12

uh, ideas into his

44:14

father's head, his adoptive father's head,

44:17

which seems to bear fruit since he gives

44:19

a Peter McNichol the idea to refinance

44:22

their loans so they can take out

44:24

an additional wing and get additional, uh,

44:27

research babies, so they can make more money.

44:29

I don't really understand this. The

44:31

important thing is it gets explained in more than one

44:34

scene. That

44:36

in a, in a what 95 minute movie about

44:38

the, about talking babies or geniuses, we heard

44:40

about how they needed a loan to invest

44:43

money because ultimately they would make more money

44:45

if they had the larger facility. We it's

44:47

good. It's good that that stuff's in there,

44:49

not padding at all. Yeah. Uh, so,

44:52

so, meanwhile, in the, the only way that they

44:54

could have padded it more is if Kim Cottrell

44:57

was like, well, well you're doing that. I'll just

44:59

finish this recipe that you can do around the

45:01

house with just these simple ingredients and then just

45:03

pulled out a bunch of things and then just

45:05

cooked on camera while explaining what she was doing.

45:08

I mean, there is, I will get there. She

45:10

doesn't come get ready with me or something. I'm

45:14

not, I'm not going to skip there because like it'll be our little

45:16

treat at the end of the movie, but there is some, some

45:19

aggressive padding at the very end of the movie. And

45:21

it's weird to me because this movie is like, I

45:24

don't know, like it's like an hour 50 or something. Like it's not,

45:27

that last scene of

45:29

the movie, the stuff that happens again would make

45:31

sense if this movie would just barely squeak to

45:33

90 minutes and they're like, we got to put

45:35

this in here to pull it out. But otherwise

45:37

it's inexplicable to me, but we'll, we'll get there.

45:40

And then the movie said, I expect to have padding. There's a movie, I saw,

45:42

I thought there was going to be a ton of padding in it.

45:44

It was called padding ton. There was no padding. Those

45:47

scenes needed to be there, you know, to

45:51

arrive. When

45:53

the Wells Fargo wagon came coming down the

45:55

street and delivered that to me, I was

45:57

happy. Okay guys.

45:59

So. So time to get some baby action. Sly

46:02

escapes his secret lab using a variety

46:04

of gadgets that he builder scavenged, and

46:06

then he hides in the laundry, and

46:08

this is where he uses

46:11

the catchphrase diaper gravy to describe the contents

46:13

of those diapers. And then that phrase is

46:15

repeated- I'm surprised to talk he's called him

46:17

the same diaper gravy. It is repeated like

46:20

five times within a like two minute period,

46:22

which I have to assume the filmmakers are

46:24

like, kids are gonna love this and not

46:26

stop saying it. So we gotta get on

46:29

top of this landmine and say it

46:31

ourselves. It's really gross.

46:35

No, it's really gross. Bad

46:38

phrases. My

46:41

dog is barking by the way if you hear him a little bit. Is

46:43

it the implication that you would eat what's in the

46:46

diaper? Is that what's so gross about it? Particularly since

46:48

it's a gravy? I think it's

46:50

the implication about the consistency. Consistency I

46:52

think. With lumps or without

46:54

lumps do you think? Okay. So he's

46:56

on the baby. Linda is so disturbed

46:58

already just because of his words. So

47:00

Sly is able to escape and then

47:02

he runs loose on the city streets.

47:05

This is where we also learn that

47:07

Sly and Whit have some kind of

47:09

psychic link, not unlike

47:11

E.T. and Elliot. True.

47:15

Like all twins, they can- Sly-

47:18

Kind of sensations to each other.

47:20

Sensation in the human concepts, yeah. So

47:23

then Sly gets picked up by a

47:26

cartoonish hobo fellow who wants to sell

47:28

him for a reward. So

47:30

Sly beats him up and then steals his

47:33

clothes in cigar. And

47:35

then he sneaks into the perambulator

47:37

of a very fancy lady baby

47:39

where we believe, we are led

47:41

to believe that they had some

47:43

kind of romantic trick and end

47:45

up swapping clothes while they're

47:47

in the mall. What do you guys think of this? No. If

47:51

this was a grown up movie and

47:53

the joke of it was, he's

47:55

like James Bond but he's a baby and he's gonna

47:57

do all, it's gonna show you how ridiculous a James

47:59

Bond- story is by having a baby

48:01

do it. He's betting women. He's having action

48:04

sequences. The same way there's a—is it Johnny Ryan

48:07

who has the character Studbaby, who's the baby? The

48:11

baby who's so hot that women are like, oh, I can't. I've got

48:13

to get that baby. If

48:15

it was a joke like that, if it was like a taboo-breaking joke where

48:17

it's like, we're going to show you how dumb this is by having a baby

48:19

do it. But it's not. This is a

48:21

children's movie. So the idea that he had like

48:24

a romantic dalliance for a moment with this and

48:26

that—not that it isn't like hinted at, but that

48:28

she says. When he

48:30

says take off your clothes, that she says, at least buy me

48:32

dinner first. I don't like any of that. It's so horrible. All

48:34

of it. Most

48:36

of the jokes in the movie are lazy,

48:38

but this one is grotesque. Yeah, exactly. It's—

48:41

I don't want my baby characters to have

48:43

sex. Maybe I'm on a limb here. Maybe I'm being controversial.

48:45

I don't want my baby characters to have sex with each

48:47

other. It's very bad. It's very bad. And as

48:49

you said, you get the take off your

48:51

clothes, and then at the end, he's leaving,

48:53

and she's saying, call me. I'm listed. It's

48:56

like, oh, God. Are we— And

48:58

she doesn't even hold up a toy phone. I mean,

49:00

come on. No. She can't be listed. Who was it?

49:02

What baby is listed in the phone book? That's crazy.

49:06

Well, I don't think they traded

49:08

names. So like, how's he even going to find her? Also,

49:11

I think where you start to get some of

49:13

the use of movie catchphrases

49:16

is in sort of this section. I

49:18

think you get the hasta la vista

49:20

baby somewhere in this section, maybe. And

49:24

when he starts—I'm sure Stuart will get to when

49:26

he gets to his changing montage, which to

49:29

me was the most grotesque. After the

49:31

implication that these babies made love, the most grotesque

49:33

moment to me is what they do with him

49:35

in the clothes-changing montage. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

49:37

Go ahead. It looks like my

49:39

notes have like four paragraphs about how Peter

49:41

McNichol is now planning on taking out a

49:44

loan to save this business. I just get

49:46

that, right? Luckily,

49:48

none of that information plays into the rest of

49:50

the movie. They need to know. And it doesn't

49:52

matter. Okay. Some financing paperwork you're

49:55

going to read. It's for the texture. It's

49:57

like a Robert Altman movie. Some of the

49:59

stuff is— The to build earlier that

50:01

they. Are just like

50:03

Robert Altman movie. We then see

50:06

Sly hiding out in the mall

50:08

plane crash bandicoot that I did

50:10

enjoy through that Stewart area Seattle.

50:12

About what am I. Watching.

50:15

Someone else play Crash Bandicoot is like

50:17

that seem in Uncharted Four where you

50:19

get to play Crash Bandicoot Him Uncharted

50:22

Amazing. Okay good now that is one

50:24

of most important thing Watching as we

50:26

Crash Bandicoot we are at the put

50:28

non the reds montage where he puts

50:30

on a bunch of different baby size

50:33

clothes I don't out with the at

50:35

a fucking photo shop was legitimate on

50:37

of years be gap i think right

50:39

but that they have way the gaps

50:42

have tuxedo who that if they have

50:44

disco leisure suits. Like what is going

50:46

on in this like less of the choice

50:48

to do the with the eighties cover of

50:50

putting on the Wrist has oh yes a

50:52

weird once as a very be song it's

50:54

very creepy the fact that they have him

50:56

dress up as Tony Manero and do the

50:58

dance from Satellite fever which is like who

51:01

is that for the kids is watching this

51:03

movie don't know with that as or a

51:05

don't sell for John Boy supervising they offer

51:07

you a little her down void in order

51:09

from Melbourne since he doesn't I could no

51:11

longer than it appears it was. There was

51:13

nothing that was so quick. Test to me

51:16

that you're like wasn't use computers to

51:18

make a baby do a pop culture

51:20

reference for adults as as I found

51:22

it looks like it's really you are.

51:24

You are staining the idea of childhood

51:26

at the site say we didn't as

51:28

Stewart uses had me amazing. See their

51:30

job voice destroyed throwing. Crop. Of

51:33

color. Bills have a big the baby dance around. Us

51:37

I didn't. We lost something as

51:39

a culture when they stopped making

51:42

like new covers. Of

51:44

arguably novelty songs.

51:47

Like. When as they might be, giants did a symbol

51:49

of Constantinople. Was just gonna say that is

51:51

damn ball with constantinople saying and plate non

51:54

the rats I want to see, like, ah,

51:56

I want to see, like. Ah,

51:58

how much as a dodgy and. Window from

52:00

you know from like a very

52:02

very cool current is that hear

52:04

it was at Loma. Sexual issues

52:06

I couldn't ask other one, a

52:08

citizen of the Vietnam war creepers

52:11

the whole myself as cut loose

52:13

balls he says where the is

52:15

listening to we haven't had a

52:17

cover of Tiptoe through the Tulips

52:19

in deference like my Billie. I

52:21

was doing that yeah although figured.

52:23

That was that charted. That Taco version of put

52:25

Under it's like that was a hit the showers

52:28

as it. Were in spite of a major

52:30

have a gap of be irritating it was two

52:32

hundred. And you

52:34

there is No we were like

52:36

timewise, we were so close to

52:38

one of those outfits being fucking

52:40

awesome. Powers rights looking. Know that

52:43

powders not super awesome Power? Yeah

52:45

oh boy. Halo and point and

52:47

I'm like Media showed. don't take

52:49

yourself straight to help Physically closer.

52:53

To said they were at the same

52:55

rak assesses in the movies or Hillary

52:57

the babies. Are

53:00

okay so let's see I

53:03

can control. Takes wit to

53:05

the mall Obama runs. ah

53:07

of course why spots them

53:10

and then they all get

53:12

spotted by undercover goons. This

53:14

mall's more goons than shoppers.

53:18

With. Get snatched up by the goons swag.

53:20

It's picked up by Kim Cattrall, who's a

53:22

little confused that he's not wearing overalls, which

53:25

is why it's so they. Said.

53:29

I'd miss is it. Seems

53:32

like off mommy brain your in a different outset

53:34

than the when I put you in this morning

53:36

here. With

53:38

doesn't adapt well to imprisonment as you'd imagine

53:41

this has been. No actually I've said about

53:43

census where the movie I went to the

53:45

this were witnessed crying. Like. Because

53:47

and I was like yeah, this is scary

53:49

when he's been taken to a secret lab.

53:51

A secret zero kids labs by like because

53:53

he is like this. Not. There's nothing fun

53:55

or exciting adventurous about this. To me like

53:57

a star. You want, You are babies. You.

54:00

To just be all little animals from Guardians

54:02

of the Galaxy montage right? Well I always

54:04

wanted to have nothing but an old been

54:06

sad in cages and wondering when they're going

54:08

to die as that they were certainly while

54:10

the Governor Hertzog baby genius and get very

54:12

hurt suggs baby geniuses. To be honest the

54:14

athletes do in that direction then at least

54:16

as then I hims that make it make

54:19

it so dark that I'm like oh I

54:21

guess it's it's there's some kind of sick

54:23

joke. To. It, you know? Other

54:25

if Werner Herzog was playing the Christopher Lloyd.

54:28

Character. Several been fantastic if he

54:30

was the ducks for school. Sousa was

54:32

like yelling at babies. Things like that

54:34

every pretty blunt. these babies I see

54:36

no joy know. remember this man to

54:38

some answering Kathleen Turner and Werner Herzog

54:40

voices in the same scene is so

54:42

perfect meal. I will say if he

54:45

has never heard there's an old episode

54:47

of our podcast were Glenn Weldon. Has

54:49

done so with you guys. Did

54:51

a. Did as suppose

54:53

and like. What is Verna hearts? I've been

54:56

a romantic comedy and it's extremely money

54:58

and it evolves and sale or bunch

55:00

of blend in some England voice and

55:02

as a lot of America Merrill and

55:04

flu library gov Hertzog voice which ideal.

55:07

And. He tucks bad it's is very.

55:09

Very picked. Able to

55:11

assess the plug. my pals. Yeah.

55:14

Sure, Knows how your bowels, your biceps

55:16

or circumference. Compared to a glimpse these

55:18

days when I don't think it's as

55:20

good as I mean he's a he's

55:22

cake Vi vi. Vi. He

55:25

doesn't He does imposes many first drafts bloody

55:27

well and was exposing them on a on

55:29

a burner account of yes, I. Think

55:31

he tries not to. You. Now.

55:34

Felt. But there is a post on your Facebook

55:36

page it says this case for the cell. says.

55:39

Sit. When he said that I was and come on and

55:42

do this. they said I'm almost as excited about this and

55:44

I was when it was playing. Well, that sounds like you

55:46

know what? A set of appropriate

55:48

attire. As

55:50

an appropriate. That's correct. Oh, direct. I

55:52

feel. Like that that? that's the best. This. Social

55:55

A that sits that sisters social etiquette level

55:57

of a lot of our fans is that

55:59

are necessary. but not always tactful. I

56:01

got it. I

56:03

read it and I was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm,

56:05

agree, reasonable. Yep. Well, I

56:08

think I speak for Dan Elliott when we're

56:10

saying we're even more excited. Glenn is super

56:12

strong. You're the best. Take that. Take that,

56:15

Glenn. The feud begins now. Oh,

56:17

no. Let's

56:20

see. Almost immediately, Dr.

56:22

Kinder realized that the switch was

56:24

on, that's lying with, I've been

56:26

swapped somehow, that her goons are

56:28

all idiots. They

56:31

also find out that when a baby hits two

56:33

years old, then their

56:37

limbic activity slows down and they

56:39

become dumb normal kids again. This

56:42

is a pretty common trope where it's like

56:45

all of a sudden they lose the wonder

56:47

of being a child or like how in

56:49

block and key you stop paying attention to

56:51

the magic of the keys or some shit

56:54

or flowers for Algernon. It all makes sense,

56:56

but this is very specific. It's like a

56:58

two-year mark and one baby hits it and

57:01

all the other babies are like, oh, you're

57:03

not going to remember us and it could have been

57:05

sad, but it wasn't because it's this movie. It is

57:08

dumb. They call it crossing over and it starts

57:10

with a tummy ache and then and then it

57:12

and then it quickly becomes them not understanding baby

57:14

language anymore. Yeah. It's a lot like ginger

57:16

snaps. I think also started

57:18

with a tummy ache.

57:22

Okay. So Dr. Kinder goes to visit her.

57:25

What's her relationship with Kim control?

57:27

Are they like cousin? There are

57:29

Kinder says she's Kim controls aunt

57:31

and oh, is that what it is? Like

57:34

I thought and

57:36

admittedly part of this understanding comes from

57:39

reading the Wikipedia. It's trying

57:41

to clear things up. Yeah,

57:43

it's a pretty complicated at

57:45

one point exhaustive Wikipedia tree.

57:48

Yeah, I thought there were sisters because like

57:50

like they find out that Kim

57:53

your trial is adopted or something at the

57:55

end and throughout the movie. They

57:58

say that she's her aunt. Okay,

58:00

then at the very end of the movie Kim

58:02

Cattrall says I'm not really your aunt

58:04

you were adopted when you were two

58:07

Yeah, and Kim control is very happy

58:10

about this and apparently not

58:12

thrown at all Because it

58:14

means she's not related to Kathleen Turner

58:17

Yeah I

58:20

assumed a you

58:22

know a more Sort of

58:25

close relationship because as you know, we're very

58:27

close to their aunt I know I know

58:29

I know but culturally like sort of in

58:31

my Midwestern Family like

58:33

my aunts are like yeah, I'll see

58:36

them occasionally I guess That

58:39

Kim control is two years younger than Kathleen Turner

58:42

But in this movie there there is a larger age

58:44

gap I assume Yeah,

58:48

but maybe Kim controls momma doesn't matter So

58:51

dr. Kinder goes to visit Family

58:56

tree, yeah, it's true. My my

58:58

grandmother she had She

59:00

had an aunt who is not that much older than

59:02

her because she had a lot of ants There was

59:04

a big gap between her mother who was the eldest

59:06

and her aunt who was the youngest so I could

59:08

see ya Yeah, that could happen. I guess amazing. It's

59:11

amazing. They called the Kathleen Turner character. Dr.

59:13

Kinder It's like somebody was standing off-screen

59:15

going try less Lazy,

59:21

it's it's a lazy moment in

59:23

a film filled with them Like

59:25

in the first draft ago now Kathleen Turner's

59:27

character. Dr. Mean lady. Can we Mean

59:33

man, cruel some Villain

59:39

ex-bad man, can we change the name to something

59:41

a little bit less on the nose? Was

59:44

playing him. Oh, you're right. You're right. He

59:47

can sometimes be a nice guy Heroic

59:50

in some movies like strange brew

59:56

So she's trying to steal fly back but it

59:58

doesn't seem to work She doesn't try that

1:00:01

hard. Sly can apparently still

1:00:03

communicate a little bit with Peter McNichol, but

1:00:05

it's also, you know, it's garbled. Um,

1:00:08

goons show up to try and capture Sly,

1:00:10

including who's that actor? So, uh,

1:00:12

these are both well known. So this is Sam

1:00:14

McMurray is one of them from racing Arizona from

1:00:17

recently. The other one is Jim

1:00:19

Hanks, Tom Hanks, his brother who will

1:00:21

sometimes do voice work or stand in

1:00:23

work for Tom Hanks. Uh,

1:00:25

so these are this Hollywood royalty. I

1:00:27

was legitimately standing there looking at that guy going, he

1:00:29

really reminds me of Tom Hanks, but I know that's

1:00:31

not Tom Hanks. I thought, I have a brother and

1:00:33

I looked him up and I was like, he

1:00:36

does probably know him best for starting in the movie.

1:00:39

Buford's Buford's B B Bunnies. Yeah, I was going to

1:00:41

ask if he was the same one. Same

1:00:46

one. Um, so the goons show up to try

1:00:48

and capture Sly, but of course he, uh, he

1:00:51

takes the high ground and he tricks both of

1:00:53

them into getting whacked in the balls. Um,

1:00:56

when, uh, ideal sequence, identical

1:00:58

sequences, identical sequences, right after

1:01:00

each other. This is the one part of

1:01:02

the movie that I found genuinely not exactly

1:01:04

funny, but the fact that so Sam McMurray

1:01:06

is like, let me guess, you want me to stand

1:01:08

here and you're going to jump on that. It's going

1:01:10

to hit me in the crop in the gonads. And

1:01:12

I'm going to make a funny face and fall down

1:01:14

the stairs. Well, it's not going to happen in Sly

1:01:16

tricks him into doing it in a way that's not

1:01:19

funny, but then that Jim Hanks comes up and has

1:01:21

the same exact conversation with the same exact outcome. I

1:01:23

was like, you know what, baby genius, this is kind

1:01:25

of a funny bit. I agree. Elliot. I was like,

1:01:27

did someone slightly funnier come in? And

1:01:30

the, the thing that really helped that scene

1:01:32

for me is when it happens to Jim

1:01:35

McMurray and he gets back from the balls. Sorry,

1:01:37

Sam. When he falls down the

1:01:39

stairs, it is clearly the most

1:01:41

fakest looking stuntman swap. It's like,

1:01:43

he does not have the same

1:01:45

hair. It's like, it's, it's very

1:01:48

silly and it's really, it's like the icing

1:01:50

on that cake. Uh,

1:01:52

uh, so they immediately, they're

1:01:54

like, okay, we can't stunt the stunt match-ups

1:01:56

in this movie are not done

1:01:58

with a lot of, uh, Exacting care.

1:02:01

Let's not like garbage bail kids the movie

1:02:03

for instance So

1:02:06

at this point Kathleen Turner

1:02:08

is immediately like okay, we got a

1:02:10

dismantle the lab burn everything And

1:02:15

I was like, yeah sure what for what

1:02:17

yeah, yeah, they're not gonna put a baby on the

1:02:20

stand like Genius

1:02:23

even but I don't think they're gonna put him on the

1:02:25

stain Can you read back what the

1:02:28

witness just said goo-goo? I

1:02:32

rest my case Strike that

1:02:34

from the record Okay,

1:02:37

so the babies decide to help each other We

1:02:40

have some training montages right where the babies are

1:02:42

trying this my notes start to break down here

1:02:44

I was a couple of So

1:02:47

there's a little bit of a training

1:02:49

montage. There's a there's a

1:02:51

scene where the babies are In

1:02:55

a truck going to save the other

1:02:57

babies Right and they're

1:02:59

like singing like military pep

1:03:01

songs and

1:03:04

Here's where they line like I don't know

1:03:06

what I've been told Eskimo girls are mighty

1:03:09

cold and I'm like what the fuck like

1:03:16

Is Dom Delouise hypnotized by this point

1:03:19

I think so because he's driving

1:03:21

the bus Yeah, by the time you're driving the

1:03:23

bus they've hypnotized him. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot They

1:03:26

wit has the ability or I guess

1:03:28

lie has the ability to hypnotize people

1:03:30

also Was

1:03:36

a good thing you did slide no, no, it was

1:03:38

good that you made all those pop culture references No,

1:03:40

no, it doesn't instantly date the movie slide. Those were

1:03:42

good. Those were good. It's why yeah Peter

1:03:45

McNichol and Kim control are confused by why

1:03:47

babies are running all over the place Their

1:03:50

daughter Understandably

1:03:53

getting calls from parents saying why are my babies

1:03:55

not at home? Where are they? Yeah There's

1:04:00

a there's a big showdown at the theme

1:04:02

park. I think there was there's one line

1:04:04

there's another line coming up So Peter McNichol,

1:04:06

he calls 911. They don't believe

1:04:08

him because his story is so crazy I don't like that

1:04:11

part, but then Tim control calls 911 goes, you know, baby

1:04:13

coat we put a bomb there And

1:04:16

I was like, I was like that because you want cops there you

1:04:18

got cops there And I was like that was a funny way for

1:04:20

them to deal with that too. That's a MVP It's co

1:04:22

MVP Kim control for you. I think I think

1:04:24

kind of like, you know somebody good

1:04:27

enough They can put it

1:04:29

over. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, but I agree with

1:04:31

you Stuart This this this

1:04:34

mayhem at the end like my my brain

1:04:36

like yeah, it's in come off the movie

1:04:38

like I texted you something similar where I'm

1:04:40

like as I get older like Comedy

1:04:43

just like general comedy ma'am unless it's

1:04:45

like really funny gags, which this is

1:04:47

not just Bores me.

1:04:50

I'm like, we yeah wrap it up

1:04:52

guys like Not half

1:04:54

like robot. Yeah, like kick it on the

1:04:56

butt like funny actually not I'm saying it

1:04:58

No, but it doesn't it's not funny when

1:05:00

you see it You are if

1:05:02

the highest you're hoping to achieve

1:05:04

is like a mild chuckle from

1:05:06

your beer Maybe don't put

1:05:09

put it in the movie Mm-hmm. It's also

1:05:11

one of its this is one of those

1:05:13

movies where the I feel like

1:05:15

Argyle Which we watch recently had the same

1:05:17

problem where the main character the hero of

1:05:19

the movie is so incredibly uber competent That

1:05:21

no one can stand in their way. And

1:05:24

so by the end of this movie, it's

1:05:26

just sly in a control room sending out

1:05:28

the robots to beat up the adults while

1:05:30

he makes Snap he

1:05:32

makes wisecracks and has the same annoying kid laugh

1:05:34

over and over again and everything that happens and

1:05:36

it's like You know what? I'm not on your

1:05:38

side at this point. Like you're just you're just

1:05:40

torturing I know they kid they that you were

1:05:42

basically kidnapped and raised to be a sort of

1:05:44

child experiment But at this point you're

1:05:47

I want you to be challenged in some way

1:05:49

or else you're not the hero of a movie

1:05:51

anymore Why is just like Argyle not to be

1:05:53

overly philosophical about action comedies, but I just recently

1:05:56

saw the fall guy, which I loved Which

1:05:58

how I loved it so I was such a

1:06:01

sucker for that movie and one of the reasons why

1:06:03

I love it is it because it's about this stuntman

1:06:05

and because I think they wanted to be true to

1:06:07

you know admiration for some people Every

1:06:09

time that Brian Gosling is doing something that looks

1:06:11

like it would really hurt in this movie It looks like

1:06:14

it really hurt and he lands and he'll

1:06:16

immediately be like You

1:06:18

can tell he can only do so much of this and that's

1:06:20

part of one of this one of the things maybe turns out

1:06:23

to Be about and those kinds of

1:06:25

things where you actually have you

1:06:27

know a person who is has some vulnerabilities I

1:06:29

think it really helps put an action sequence

1:06:31

over even in an action comedy Yeah, my

1:06:34

favorite favorite moment in any Mission Impossible movie

1:06:36

is when? Tom Cruise is climbing

1:06:38

the bridge Khalifa and he has to slide into that window and

1:06:40

he hits his head on it and I know That he didn't

1:06:42

really get hurt to like that Ethan hunt is like ow Like

1:06:45

he didn't do it right and he gets hurt Yeah I

1:06:47

love it I mean somebody I saw somebody point out like

1:06:49

the best part of the Mission Impossible movies is the look

1:06:51

on Ethan hunt's face when he Realizes oh shit. I have

1:06:53

to how am I gonna get out of this? Well? Yeah.

1:06:55

Yeah He the way Tom Cruise does

1:06:58

sell that and then that's part of what Ryan

1:07:00

Gosling does so well and fall guy is the

1:07:03

Like he sells the vulnerability of that

1:07:05

character and he sells the like the

1:07:07

pain that he's going through so well And

1:07:10

we mentioned a lot but for me like

1:07:12

it's going back a while but the gold standard

1:07:14

is like Indiana Jones where like Like

1:07:17

he there's like a whole scene and Raiders of the

1:07:19

Lost Ark the movie Pauses for

1:07:21

him to be grumpy about how every

1:07:24

part of them hurts And

1:07:27

I love that I love that the movie

1:07:29

acknowledges like this is just a guy who

1:07:31

like is really good at it But it's

1:07:33

really lucky him like is in pain that

1:07:35

Indiana Jones in the in the best of

1:07:37

those movies He looks genuinely worried and unhappy

1:07:39

in the movie. He's running from that giant

1:07:41

boulder and stuff He's not like oh

1:07:44

guess we're having a ball. He's like oh I

1:07:49

like to punch up for raisins loss How

1:07:53

much did the The

1:07:57

spikes come out after why am I forgetting his

1:07:59

name? Dr. Octopus after he betrays him. He's

1:08:01

not like spikes to see you. You

1:08:05

got the point like instead of just like, Oh, okay. How

1:08:12

much did the sequence where any Jones

1:08:15

uses his injuries and his general grumpiness

1:08:17

to seduce somebody? How much did that

1:08:19

inform your own love stuff? I mean,

1:08:21

it's Karen Allen. So

1:08:25

I have to imagine that I was like, okay, if this is the

1:08:27

way, if this is how you do it. This

1:08:31

is why you're standing outside of Karen Allen's house with

1:08:33

a boom box just playing you going, ow, ow. I'm

1:08:35

sending her my doctor's reports about it. You

1:08:40

know, my early onset arthritis guys. So

1:08:44

the bad guys lose the good guys win. Oh,

1:08:47

okay. There's

1:08:49

a month. Appropriately appropriately. Yeah. Let's

1:08:52

talk about this montage because montage

1:08:54

movie wraps up, you know, the

1:08:56

yada yada. The babies, you know,

1:08:58

lose their magical babies. When. Nobody

1:09:02

wins death comes for us all eventually.

1:09:04

Yeah. But to me, there

1:09:07

was this baffling like montage set to like

1:09:09

a country ballad about how babies are. Well,

1:09:11

it's a Randy Travis song. We haven't even

1:09:13

talked about the fact that one of the

1:09:16

guards who is running the

1:09:18

robots in the theme park is

1:09:21

Randy Travis. And so that's Randy Travis.

1:09:23

And then you get a Randy Travis song at

1:09:25

the end, which I guess is all part of

1:09:27

the same, you know, maybe

1:09:30

maybe they made a deal with the record company

1:09:32

or somebody knows Randy Travis's manager or whatever. But

1:09:35

yeah, so he that's a Randy Travis song at the end. But

1:09:38

perhaps sung in the story by one of the guards.

1:09:40

Who knows? I

1:09:43

have to say this would make sense

1:09:45

to me if like over the credits,

1:09:48

they had scenes from the production of baby geniuses just showing

1:09:50

the kids running around the game. And you've got the settlement

1:09:52

a song about kids. What

1:09:55

it is instead is like within the

1:09:57

diegetic world of the film, we get like

1:09:59

very small. flashbacks to the kids doing stuff

1:10:01

we saw in the movie already while

1:10:04

the song plays and I'm like what is going

1:10:06

on? Wasn't

1:10:09

this a good movie? Wasn't

1:10:11

this a good movie? Remember all the characters you

1:10:13

fell in love with and the moments you remember

1:10:15

forever and the ride we've been on Remember this

1:10:17

thing that happened eight minutes ago This

1:10:20

song that should be playing over the closing

1:10:22

credits Why not just remember some of these

1:10:24

special times with our new friends the baby

1:10:26

penis is Yeah, yeah, I

1:10:28

imagine on set a PA comes right came

1:10:30

running up to Bob Clark and John Voight

1:10:32

and was like guys guys guys Get this

1:10:34

Randy Travis loves babies I've

1:10:40

been looking for a way to do a project with babies I

1:10:46

thought you were gonna say somebody ran up and said

1:10:48

guys were short. We're short. We're like

1:10:50

montage I'm always

1:10:52

a montage. That's a

1:10:54

good way. And so and you guys I mean

1:10:57

you guys LA you're a school of music

1:11:02

You know you pay attention to the pop music Song

1:11:05

was a huge hit right? It was

1:11:07

a Grammy winner. So this was a

1:11:09

Grammy won for best original song best

1:11:11

original album It went best album. Well,

1:11:13

I'm looking word, which is strange

1:11:15

It was number one on the pop charts

1:11:17

number one on the country charts and number

1:11:19

one on the jazz adult easy listening charts

1:11:21

As well as number one on the hip-hop

1:11:23

R&B charts, which is not even one of

1:11:25

the quadruple threat It took the world by

1:11:28

storm I think what right that

1:11:30

the war in Kosovo ended when they played this

1:11:32

song and everyone said yeah We all know babies

1:11:34

once they hugged each other. It was just

1:11:36

this song brought that world together We have Randy

1:11:38

Travis and baby geniuses. Thanks for that. Unfortunately, we've

1:11:42

since forgotten that because we all crossed over when the

1:11:44

year 1999 turns the year 2000 we

1:11:46

all crossed over and forgot our knowledge of the 20th century And

1:11:49

so once again, we live in a fallen

1:11:51

world that the magic of Randy Travis no

1:11:53

longer holds together. Yeah I

1:11:56

think that's the song. I think that's the song where

1:11:58

they abolished the baby the baby music chart

1:12:01

right? He's never gonna sell this

1:12:03

well again. Yeah there's no point in

1:12:05

having it probably is still number one on the baby music

1:12:08

chart to this day. That

1:12:10

was number one. Number two was that I

1:12:12

Am Un Bebe that French song

1:12:14

that was the Jordan song. Jordan,

1:12:17

yeah. Baby Shark. Yeah. You know,

1:12:19

Renny Travis is into

1:12:22

Baby Shark and he's like, there's baby music these

1:12:24

days. What's it really about? There's no message. It's

1:12:27

just ear candy. And then

1:12:29

after that, this Baby I Love You,

1:12:32

which is not actually a baby song.

1:12:34

He just has baby in it, but

1:12:36

they run a baby. Again, it wasn't

1:12:38

about a baby Santa Claus. That would

1:12:40

be adorable. Santa baby's not appropriate. Although

1:12:42

I feel like the makers of this movie would have

1:12:45

been like, yeah, I mean there's

1:12:47

Santa in the movie and there's babies and there's

1:12:49

mention of a robot Santa. And

1:12:51

you know, we've been playing it pretty fast

1:12:53

and loose with how sexualized these babies

1:12:55

should be. I do want to point

1:12:57

out one thing that one detail that

1:12:59

we missed, which was the robot clown that

1:13:01

is holding a sort of cross with

1:13:03

chattering teeth all along the crossbar. And

1:13:06

he kind of he frightens the security

1:13:08

goons at the end with it. What

1:13:10

was the thinking behind that? Do you

1:13:12

think children are gonna enjoy that? Yeah,

1:13:15

hey we're testing out a new

1:13:17

chainsaw man character. I gotta

1:13:20

say in another movie that is not Baby

1:13:23

Geniuses, I think I would like that very

1:13:25

much. Okay, okay, fair. Before

1:13:28

we close the book on Baby Geniuses, I just

1:13:30

want I want to say after the montage, of

1:13:32

course, the main baby

1:13:35

is wandering around muttering to himself that

1:13:37

if they want him in the sequel,

1:13:39

they have to pay him 20 million

1:13:41

dollars. And then the end is stamped

1:13:43

on his diaper butt. Where

1:13:45

they gave out in the gravy boat.

1:13:51

Yeah, we call the gravy boat. Yeah, that's one of

1:13:53

the people. So do you think you've got 20 million

1:13:55

dollars for babies, Geniuses, babies,

1:13:58

babies? out

1:14:00

of the the franchise and has maybe

1:14:03

probably would make it fucked up you know

1:14:05

emotional problems from being a baby geniuses when

1:14:08

he was too young to process it. Yeah

1:14:10

super babies came out five years later so

1:14:12

yeah probably all those babies were too old.

1:14:14

Yeah it features a cousin

1:14:17

of Sly and Wit. Ah okay.

1:14:19

Oh thank God yeah I knew

1:14:22

it is preserved. Let's give our

1:14:24

final judgments whether this is a good

1:14:26

bad move. Wait there's a baby with super strength in it? Sorry

1:14:28

I'm just reading the plot right now. Well

1:14:31

Elliot Sly can karate chop

1:14:33

adults so his super strength that his strength

1:14:35

is pretty super. Yeah that's true but these

1:14:37

ones they're like super babies with superpowers. One

1:14:39

of them is called bouncing boy that's a real superhero that's

1:14:41

a legion of superheroes character. Anyway Dan what are we talking

1:14:43

about? No if you're if you're this

1:14:45

transphased with super babies baby geniuses too we

1:14:48

can try and figure out some way of

1:14:50

getting it to it down the line maybe

1:14:52

on a flop TV who knows. I'm looking

1:14:54

at the cat right now John Boyd appears

1:14:56

finally Scott Bayo, Vanessa Angel, TV's Lisa from

1:14:58

TV Weird Science. Which

1:15:00

other people? Whoopi Goldberg as herself.

1:15:02

You're not flirting for the

1:15:04

sake. Very important to you

1:15:06

young Stuart I assume. Let's

1:15:08

go to final judgments. Dan

1:15:10

Otown appears as themselves. Okay

1:15:12

let's not final judgments. Okay

1:15:15

whether this is a good bad movie a bad

1:15:17

bad movie or a movie we kind of like

1:15:20

I will I do not be roundly

1:15:25

laughed at I will clarify up front this

1:15:27

is a bad bad movie absolutely absolutely

1:15:30

a bad bad movie do not watch

1:15:32

baby geniuses. But on

1:15:34

the weird curve that we have

1:15:39

built for ourselves within the flophouse

1:15:41

I whilst

1:15:43

I did not like this movie

1:15:46

I had a better experience watching it than a

1:15:48

lot of the bad movies just by virtue of

1:15:50

it being like oh this is a

1:15:52

type of thing we don't get anymore this sort of

1:15:55

like like super

1:15:58

shitty family Like

1:16:01

the landscape of what movies are have changed

1:16:03

so much that so many of the bad

1:16:06

movies we watch just

1:16:09

file into this sort of boring slop

1:16:12

in my brain. So I'm like, oh, this

1:16:14

is a throwback. This is a nostalgic throwback

1:16:16

to the era when a wonderful

1:16:19

cast such as this one was forced

1:16:21

to exist in this

1:16:23

schlock. So bad,

1:16:25

bad, but kind of an interesting experience is

1:16:27

what I'm saying. Stuart,

1:16:31

why don't you go? You're smirking at

1:16:34

me. Yeah, no, Dan's right. It's bad,

1:16:36

bad. Yeah, it's just, it's

1:16:38

not weird enough to be interesting and

1:16:43

to overcome the general unpleasantness of it,

1:16:45

I would say. So I'd

1:16:47

say bad, bad, avoid. I'm

1:16:50

gonna second Stuart and

1:16:52

third the part of Dan's that

1:16:54

was about how bad it is. It's

1:16:57

very bad, bad. It's not fun. I

1:16:59

think it's not worth watching. There's

1:17:01

so many other things you can have fun with. Why

1:17:03

are you spending time with this? This is one of

1:17:05

those movies. Luckily, this movie, my experience of

1:17:07

it went back and forth between being

1:17:09

disgusted and not really being able to

1:17:12

pay too much attention because as Dan said, there's a

1:17:14

lot of hijinks that kind of slide

1:17:16

right off your brain. But yeah,

1:17:18

I would say don't watch it. Linda,

1:17:21

prove me wrong. Oh, I can't,

1:17:23

no. I

1:17:26

think it is a very much a bad, bad movie and

1:17:29

Dan knows this, but I fell

1:17:32

asleep the first time I tried to watch

1:17:34

this movie. I

1:17:36

feel I'm so weirded out by the way

1:17:38

that every line in this movie

1:17:40

sounds like ADR to me. There's

1:17:43

something very strange about how they

1:17:45

just, some of the basic execution

1:17:48

is incompetent. That

1:17:50

we didn't really talk about it, but that opening sequence

1:17:53

where Sly is trying to

1:17:55

escape the first time has this really

1:17:58

ugly, weird aesthetic. with these like

1:18:00

extreme closeups and it's to

1:18:03

me. Like a little fish eye, right? Like a little fish

1:18:05

eye. I'm not even sure if it was fish eye. I

1:18:07

mean, it's not as distorted as I associate with fish

1:18:09

eye, but it was like the

1:18:11

same, like it's at your nose. But

1:18:13

it had that feel of like fading

1:18:17

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1:18:19

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1:18:23

to me, it's just not competent enough

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to be a good, bad movie. It's

1:18:29

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think Dan has a spirit of kindness,

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at WBUR City Space in the past and

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1:25:35

again in the future. We

1:25:38

would love to see you there. And

1:25:40

now, hey, why don't

1:25:42

I get back to that show? Let's

1:25:49

take some letters from listeners.

1:25:51

Listeners like you, provided

1:25:54

that you are a letter writing

1:25:56

listener. And this is from Kevin, last name being

1:25:58

held very close to the vest. someone

1:26:00

bumped into me and I'm bobbling it. I got it. No,

1:26:02

don't got it. And now

1:26:04

it's spilled everywhere. So thank you for the

1:26:06

short story and your last name, Kevin. I

1:26:09

couldn't tell if that was you reading or you narrating what

1:26:11

was happening to you. No, this is in the email. Kevin

1:26:14

writes, Dear floppers, I

1:26:17

have four kids. Yes, it's a lot. And

1:26:20

while I was putting my two-year-old to bed, I

1:26:22

heard my nine-year-old telling me, telling one of his

1:26:24

little brothers, Dude, you

1:26:27

need to read Horsemeetsdog. It's

1:26:29

so funny. All

1:26:31

my kids love the illustrations, which have some

1:26:33

good visual gags. So a little compliment for

1:26:35

you, Elliot, at the top of the email.

1:26:38

Very nice. I'm glad they enjoy it. You

1:26:42

continue. The rest of the letter is a drag

1:26:44

on Elsie. And then it's like

1:26:46

Sharko and Hippo on the other hand, fails to

1:26:48

reach the heights of... A thump or slump, we

1:26:50

call it here in this household. Horsemeetsdog

1:26:53

has been newly rediscovered

1:26:55

in my household. And I find

1:26:58

it very gratifying when my son, he laughs

1:27:00

whenever the horse goes, Woo-hoo, oats. And

1:27:03

that's the funniest line that was ever written. And

1:27:06

he's right. I can't argue with him. Okay.

1:27:09

Well, he continues. Kevin

1:27:11

continues. We also recently

1:27:13

rewatched, pardon me, Wall-E as

1:27:15

a family, which is, sorry,

1:27:18

as a family, comma, which is good,

1:27:20

full of great physical comedy. So

1:27:23

my question is this. In the

1:27:25

era of, say, Feral

1:27:28

McKay asked comedy, which prioritizes

1:27:30

silly improvised dialogue, what

1:27:32

are some recent-ish films or TV shows

1:27:34

that you thought did a great job

1:27:37

of using visual gags or physical

1:27:39

comedy to get a laugh?

1:27:45

It's not that recent

1:27:49

overall, but I think... But when Dick Van Dyke would trip

1:27:51

over the Ottomans. Yeah. Is

1:27:57

it every frame of painting that did this? Who

1:28:00

does video essays did one on Edgar

1:28:02

Wright's shooting of

1:28:04

things. And it's

1:28:07

not so much necessarily like bat the like, I

1:28:13

mean, there are a lot of great slapstick gags,

1:28:15

but like the talk about it was like also

1:28:17

how beautifully they were shot to like maximize the

1:28:19

comedy of it, which I think is a big

1:28:21

problem with a lot of gags.

1:28:23

If they are done

1:28:26

at all, physical gags these days, I feel like

1:28:28

they're done in the flattest way possible. Like they

1:28:31

do, they go to the trouble of figuring

1:28:34

out what a physical joke might be, but then

1:28:36

not how to present it in a way that

1:28:38

would maximize the comedy. And I

1:28:40

think Edgar Wright's very good at that. Also,

1:28:42

I have not seen it yet, but I'm very excited that

1:28:44

I just earlier today bought

1:28:46

a ticket to a screening in

1:28:49

the one theater that's playing it around

1:28:51

here of hundreds of beavers, which I

1:28:53

hear is very funny, all a lot

1:28:55

of physical gags. So I have

1:28:57

high hopes. What

1:28:59

do you guys think? There's none that

1:29:01

none specific gags that come immediately to

1:29:03

mind, but I was a big fan

1:29:06

of the recent show, Los Espookies. And there

1:29:08

were a lot of funny verbal gags, but there also were

1:29:10

a lot of funny visuals. And it wasn't always like, wasn't

1:29:13

slapstick necessarily, but like things

1:29:15

that looked funny or like characters that were

1:29:17

designed in a funny way or were kind

1:29:20

of positioned in a funny way. It's like

1:29:22

the visual of the show very much was

1:29:24

a part of the joke, which I agree,

1:29:26

Dan, often it is, especially because so much

1:29:29

of comedy seems to come from the, that

1:29:32

improv world that like there's

1:29:34

this sense of like, it doesn't matter what it looks like

1:29:36

and you can't plan for it necessarily because it's just riffing.

1:29:39

Let's just get riffs. And I've never been

1:29:41

a huge fan of riff-based

1:29:44

movie comedy, but- Or podcasts. Or podcasts.

1:29:46

Hey, well, hold on. Well, I don't

1:29:49

know. There's some fun stuff there. But

1:29:51

it does make it harder to, and

1:29:54

on the other hand, you don't wanna go the other way

1:29:56

where you're so tied to a very elaborate visual

1:29:59

joke that- It feels With

1:30:02

the word that it feels like either forced or

1:30:05

you know I'm not a huge fan of the

1:30:07

movie caddyshack But there are funny things in that

1:30:09

movie But the least funny part of that movie

1:30:11

is that huge scene where boats are crashing into

1:30:13

each other and it's all the broadest Physical smash-ups

1:30:15

like oh boy What is they must have spent

1:30:18

more money on this than the rest of the

1:30:20

movie combined and it's so unfunny. I mean Yeah,

1:30:23

well that that's the weird like there's this

1:30:25

illusion among Hollywood. I think that like Crashes

1:30:28

are inherently funny. Like there's not really yeah that that was

1:30:31

called John Landis. That was the that was well I got

1:30:33

it. Then you have that one crash that was I was

1:30:38

He's like let's have a huge car crash that'll

1:30:40

be hilarious, you know, so I was going to

1:30:42

bring up Blues Brothers to say though like That's

1:30:45

the one case where I'm like, well these

1:30:47

car crashes aren't funny, but I

1:30:49

do find these chase scenes exciting

1:30:51

like they're well done on a technical level

1:30:54

on that end. So at least That's

1:30:56

okay. I guess if I'm not expected to laugh Like

1:31:00

as long as I'm not expected to laugh at this comedy

1:31:02

scene then it's all right, you know Yeah,

1:31:05

I think the most recent Mission Impossible the

1:31:07

a couple of the action sequences are really

1:31:09

funny In a way

1:31:11

that they don't necessarily play it entirely overtly

1:31:13

for jokes But I think the Haley Atwell

1:31:15

driving scene is very funny And

1:31:18

that train scene at the end is very yeah

1:31:20

I kept sort of as that was I

1:31:22

remember being in the theater for that train sequence

1:31:25

And as you could kind of see what the next thing was that

1:31:27

was gonna happen like they're in the kitchen So it's gonna be oil

1:31:29

all over the ground. I would just go yup, and

1:31:32

that's very funny I mean the

1:31:34

other thing I would mention which is

1:31:36

the like commercially speaking pretty close to

1:31:38

the opposite of a Mission Impossible movie

1:31:40

is the

1:31:42

recent The recent movie

1:31:45

Lisa Frankenstein which nobody liked except me,

1:31:47

but I kind of dug

1:31:49

it It's a it was written by Diablo

1:31:51

Cody who I run hot and cold on as I think a

1:31:53

lot of people do but I really

1:31:55

liked it and the the you

1:31:57

know the main characters this teenager in the

1:32:00

who reanimates the corpse of this

1:32:03

guy who becomes like her boyfriend and he's still

1:32:05

basically dead. And the kid

1:32:08

is played by Cole Sprouse, who was one

1:32:10

of the Zack and Cody Sprouse's.

1:32:14

And I think he's actually great in it. I

1:32:16

think he gets in a lot of really funny

1:32:18

kind of, because he doesn't talk pretty much

1:32:20

through the whole movie, because he's just, because

1:32:22

he's dead. And so everything has

1:32:25

to be done with like face and body. And

1:32:27

I actually think he's very funny and I was

1:32:29

really surprised that nobody liked that movie except me,

1:32:31

because I kind of dug it, but even

1:32:33

like on my own team, nobody liked it.

1:32:37

But I liked it. I thought it was sweet.

1:32:39

Yeah, I know Stuart liked it for a fact

1:32:41

because he recommended it. And we watched it and

1:32:43

I like, I didn't love it, but I did

1:32:45

like it. I did enjoy it. I don't know

1:32:48

how I missed that, because normally I would. I

1:32:51

feel like those two leads are so fun that

1:32:53

it's hard not to lease it like it a

1:32:55

little bit. You

1:32:58

made me realize Stuart's not going to

1:33:00

like this, but I find that in

1:33:02

a number of your girls' Lanthamos movies,

1:33:04

he has funny physical stuff. Stuart hates

1:33:06

it. But

1:33:10

before Poor Things becomes mainly a sex

1:33:12

movie, when Emma Stone is being a baby,

1:33:14

a lot of that stuff is really funny.

1:33:16

And there are parts of Killing

1:33:18

the Sacred Deer that are so like

1:33:21

off-puttingly funny to me in a way. You get

1:33:23

a sicko, and he's going to give you sicko

1:33:25

stuff. When

1:33:28

their son is essentially paralyzed

1:33:30

from the waist down and they think it's psychosomatic

1:33:32

and they're like picking him up and trying to

1:33:35

force him to walk in the hallway and he

1:33:37

just falls down in the hallway of the hospital,

1:33:39

it's like a very horrifying moment. But it's also

1:33:41

like a very funny physical comedy bit when someone

1:33:43

just falls down. Yeah. Linda, I

1:33:46

know that Stuart hasn't gone, but

1:33:48

before, just saying Mission

1:33:50

Impossible made me remember on

1:33:52

the action side, the end

1:33:54

of the most recent John Wick, that

1:33:57

stairway sequence in particular is like... Just

1:34:00

like classic like just comedy in

1:34:02

addition to being thrilling as an action sequence

1:34:04

and his we're talking about like Getting

1:34:07

beat up his like growing frustration

1:34:10

Every time he has to start from square one is very

1:34:12

funny in that yeah and and the uh,

1:34:14

I think the john wick movies in general, you

1:34:17

know when you're talking about the stuff like fighting with

1:34:19

the horse and uh Which

1:34:21

is the previous one but uh Like the fighting with

1:34:23

the horse or fighting with like the slamming the book

1:34:25

and the guy in the library and even uh, I

1:34:28

know you guys did the recent roadhouse.

1:34:31

I think the I think the first

1:34:34

time that jake jillinhall Confronts

1:34:36

the group of toughs and uh,

1:34:39

I think that's pretty I think the physicality

1:34:41

of that is pretty funny Um, and I

1:34:43

think in any good in any

1:34:46

kind of action movie that i'm going to like There

1:34:48

is an element of slapstick to the action.

1:34:50

Um So it's

1:34:53

common to see it come out and stuff like in the fall

1:34:55

guys the same way that makes us I mean There's an argument

1:34:57

to be made that buster keaton is the greatest action

1:34:59

filmmaker of all time Stuart

1:35:03

sorry, i'm not going to recommend an action

1:35:05

comedy or a recent thing. So but uh,

1:35:08

My wife my wife has been doing a

1:35:10

friends rewatch and one of the things I

1:35:12

feel like the whole And

1:35:18

uh, what should I acknowledge?

1:35:20

Oh, it's a bit You

1:35:24

know i'm bringing this up of course italian

1:35:26

with cole sprouts, um, but uh, so

1:35:29

But one of the things that I

1:35:31

mean all all six of the friends

1:35:33

are such good performers and their physicality

1:35:35

is really impressive and uh You

1:35:39

know, obviously it's a comedy. So

1:35:41

not all the jokes work and yada yada

1:35:43

yada, but uh, not a friend's

1:35:45

thing Yeah, they're uh, but

1:35:48

they're definitely like Watching

1:35:50

it i'm like, oh, yeah, I get why this

1:35:52

was a huge hit. Everybody is so

1:35:54

good. Yeah um,

1:35:57

yeah, so moving on to Our

1:36:00

second and final letter, this is from Zach

1:36:02

lasting withheld. Zach, what about me? I do

1:36:04

physical comedy. I was in

1:36:07

a podcast related TV show. And

1:36:10

a TV show related podcast. Your

1:36:12

discussion of the happy-go-lucky violence in

1:36:14

Argyle made me think back

1:36:17

to the disturbing ending of the first Kingsman

1:36:19

movie. Though it's never represented

1:36:21

on screen, it is implied that millions of

1:36:23

parents across the globe have just come to

1:36:25

their senses and discovered they have bludgeoned their

1:36:27

children to death. Clearly

1:36:29

knowing that something like this must have

1:36:31

occurred. What a family friendly entertainment. I

1:36:34

mean, I don't even remember this, but I'm gonna

1:36:36

take the letter writer's word for it. Clearly

1:36:39

knowing that something like this must have occurred,

1:36:42

Taryn Edgerton proceeds to smile and slip

1:36:44

away to have anal sex with a

1:36:46

princess. And the film seems to end

1:36:48

on a birthful note. My

1:36:50

question, what's another movie

1:36:53

where the writing and its treatment of violence

1:36:55

seems terribly, tonally off, i.e.

1:36:57

something very bad has taken place off

1:37:00

screen, but something that characters know has

1:37:02

happened and everyone including the movie's tone

1:37:04

itself stays cheery or even comical. Keep

1:37:07

on flopping. I don't think we have to stick to

1:37:09

that particular scenario. It's just an example. But- No,

1:37:12

but I've talked to before, especially in the

1:37:14

Quantomania episode, but I've talked about that moment at

1:37:16

the end of Quantomania where Modok literally

1:37:19

dies just to save the other characters and

1:37:21

they joke about it and they're like, this

1:37:23

is a weird day, huh? And it rubbed

1:37:25

me, I think about it, just

1:37:27

how much it rubbed me the wrong way. I cannot

1:37:30

exist in the world of this movie

1:37:32

if the characters cannot even react with

1:37:34

the slightest bit of gravity to someone

1:37:36

they know dying right in front of them. Like, come

1:37:38

on, come on guys, what are you doing? Give us a comedy. Yeah,

1:37:40

I would say most, I mean, my

1:37:43

answer to this would be most of the time it's

1:37:46

tonally off to me. For

1:37:49

example, there is, I

1:37:53

know you guys did Olympus Has

1:37:55

Fallen at some point, and

1:37:58

that movie opens with with this like

1:38:00

sequence in which just hundreds

1:38:03

of people get machine gunned, just hundreds

1:38:05

of people. And so by

1:38:07

the end to me, when you're

1:38:09

dealing with the like the sort of

1:38:11

triumphant, we beat the bad guy,

1:38:13

it's like, well, yeah, but you're going to be

1:38:15

thinking about nothing but funerals for the next six

1:38:18

months to a year. Right. And

1:38:21

you're going to have to bring in like 25 trucks

1:38:23

to carry out all the guys who got machine gunned

1:38:26

in the first part. And I think

1:38:28

it's even even in like, look, I can I

1:38:30

can even in a movie like Speed, I think the

1:38:32

fact that like you see the end of that movie

1:38:35

and they're kind of like, Oh, that guy is snuggling

1:38:37

and they're kind of kissing and it's kind of funny.

1:38:39

Like his best friend just died. Like

1:38:42

if you scratch the surface of

1:38:44

almost any action comedy

1:38:47

or triumphant action

1:38:49

movie, you will get to the end

1:38:51

and be like, okay, you won. However,

1:38:55

and it will you know, if you

1:38:57

count the dead, it gets pretty

1:38:59

incredible, which actually is

1:39:01

one of the things that I like about

1:39:04

the Avengers is that at the end

1:39:06

of that movie, they are very

1:39:08

devastated by what has happened. And it

1:39:10

carries over to the, you know, as

1:39:12

odd as it is to sort of

1:39:14

defend that franchise. It

1:39:16

carries over to the future

1:39:19

movies that everybody's very traumatized

1:39:21

by all of this. It also

1:39:23

made the public conclude that maybe you're

1:39:25

the bad guys. And I did like

1:39:27

the fact that it had consequences despite

1:39:29

the other things that kind of are going

1:39:31

on in that franchise as it as it

1:39:33

progressed. Yeah. You know what, like that, that

1:39:36

makes me think about, you know, at the same time that

1:39:38

was out or coming out

1:39:41

like just earlier, like I

1:39:43

think was that just after Man of Steel

1:39:45

where it was like, there's all of this

1:39:48

generalized destruction and no one seems to care.

1:39:50

And I feel like a lot of the

1:39:52

stuff in the Avengers, like, you

1:39:55

know, I'm sure they have it all widely

1:39:58

planned out knowing what happened after But

1:40:00

also it feels like a reaction to that

1:40:02

where there's a lot of stuff about like

1:40:04

hey save the civilians Like this is what

1:40:07

the heroes are supposed to be doing in

1:40:09

these kinds of movies rather than just

1:40:11

like Smashing people through buildings willy-nilly the

1:40:13

thing that comes to my mind. I

1:40:16

know that this is widely Viewed

1:40:18

as a classic especially among people Maybe

1:40:21

just slightly younger than me But

1:40:23

even even while the kid Even

1:40:27

when I was a kid, I could not take

1:40:29

the second half of home alone I was

1:40:31

like, oh, yeah We watch this with Sammy not

1:40:33

too long ago and he had real trouble with

1:40:36

that part with it. Yeah bands are getting beaten

1:40:38

up Yeah, yeah supposed to be Looney Tunes violence,

1:40:40

but these are real human beings stepping on nails

1:40:43

You know like getting hit with paint cans. I'm

1:40:45

like what what why am I

1:40:47

what what the fuck is this? You

1:40:50

know, so that's mine. I think

1:40:52

yeah I I think Linda

1:40:54

that's such a good point about those first Avengers movies

1:40:57

that like they They really

1:40:59

do they really make it feel like okay something

1:41:01

happened here I like that that that what end

1:41:03

credits or mid credit scene where they're just sitting

1:41:05

and eating and they're not talking to each other

1:41:07

And it's like it's a joke. Ha they're finally

1:41:09

having that swarm up, but they seem really like

1:41:11

worn out They seem yeah, it's not like it's

1:41:13

not a it's like a funny idea, but it's

1:41:15

not a funny scene You know, they seem so and

1:41:17

that like this warm up is not feeling

1:41:19

the hole in them that right existing

1:41:21

right now and the option there's

1:41:24

a moment before that when Downey looks around and

1:41:26

he says Still we win

1:41:28

yet. Yay Yeah,

1:41:31

yeah at the the I was thinking about with

1:41:33

this there's that there was that run of movies

1:41:35

in the 90s Where it was

1:41:37

like, isn't it funny when people die like very bad

1:41:40

things and stuff like that, which is where it's they

1:41:42

just didn't seem To know what

1:41:44

they were doing and they were chasing something But

1:41:47

I started thinking about one of my least

1:41:49