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On this episode we discuss the Matrix

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Revolutions. The movie that makes you say,

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I kinda wish I hadn't eaten that

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pill. Hey

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everyone and welcome

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to The Flophouse,

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I'm Dan McCoy.

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Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington. And I'm

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Elliot Kalin of The Flophouse. I

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sort of tried to surprise you by coming in

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like really fast. Yeah, super hot. Take you off

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guard. So this

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is a slightly special episode in that

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we are talking about the Matrix

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Revolutions in part because I

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took part in this other podcast

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called The Novelizers, which

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has the comedic premise of gets a

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bunch of comedy writers to

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novelize quote unquote chapters

1:07

of movies like a few minutes

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at a time. And

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so mine on The Matrix came out

1:13

recently. Elliot and I were on doing

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some improv as characters who worked

1:18

on The Matrix. If you

1:20

want to hear us do a sort of different thing than what we normally

1:22

do. We

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played the people whose job it was to

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hold up The Matrix actors when they did their

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stunts and then we would be computer

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edited out of the final film. But we

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our job is as almost human pillars, very

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hard work. Yeah, so I'm

1:38

actually not sure whether we're coming out first or

1:41

they're coming out first, but look for that. And

1:44

I hope we figure it out in

1:47

time. But so we

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decided to tie in with that

1:52

we're going to do the probably

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the least favorite of the

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Matrix movies generally. I would say.

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This is normally a podcast where we watch a bad movie

2:02

and we talk about it. This is

2:04

miles above the normal

2:06

dreck we talk about but it is a movie that

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Disappointed a lot of people who had

2:11

sort of been invested in these movies

2:13

Yeah, it's kind of an interesting one

2:15

to talk about pew I

2:17

think we could rationalize that otherwise well might have

2:19

been burned at the stake for talking about the

2:21

wrong kind of movie I mean, I feel like

2:23

it'd be more appropriate if we got like kicked

2:26

through a wall and then shot a bunch I

2:28

mean, that's right. Look we will it would be

2:30

a final execution. Yeah We

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will give our final judgments on the movie later

2:34

on where we sort of talk about how we

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personally feel But I do think it's important

2:39

to differentiate like the reasons we do different

2:43

Before we jump into the plot of

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the third matrix movie, uh-huh Do

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you guys have any particular like feelings toward

2:50

the matrix series as a whole? Do you

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have any experiences you want to talk about?

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I know I initially was fairly resistant

2:57

to the the first matrix movie because

3:00

I was like it felt

3:02

like it was At least

3:04

for me. It felt like it was like a

3:06

western take on

3:08

like like taking like

3:11

wushu kung fu movies and like slapping

3:13

it on this like techno

3:16

rave club veneer And

3:18

so I didn't really give it much of a chance and it

3:21

it wasn't until like years later when

3:23

I became a Little more chill

3:25

that I would watch the matrix and I'm

3:27

like, oh no, this is great. This is

3:29

genuinely a classic. I Featuring

3:32

arguably I would say one of

3:34

the best villain performances of the

3:36

last what 30 40 years No,

3:40

he's terrific. Yes. One of the things I like

3:42

the most about it. I I came to the

3:44

matrix. Oh Not like

3:46

late late, but I saw it in a Thing

3:49

that used to exist Which is a second-run movie

3:52

theater and mostly they're gone now, but for like

3:54

a couple of bucks. I Saw there's no one

3:56

in Pasadena. You Ever want to see a second-run

3:58

movie, Dan? Yeah. Claim to love

4:01

the food Referee real any higher

4:03

price break you get in the

4:05

second run leader is almost worth

4:07

of yeah it's the movies cause

4:09

like three dollars sometimes so know

4:11

how much movies cause notice that

4:13

some of the out and your

4:15

popcorn and your bagel bites and

4:17

seat orders and your ah your

4:19

froze own a director for a

4:21

credible and your and your time

4:23

your hand he has observed by

4:25

minimal an aim for an entire

4:27

family of seven kids so that's

4:29

gonna. Let us adds up to go to

4:32

the sound Peter began ah and or stuff

4:34

like the point of a precious thing was

4:36

i see it so super late by did

4:38

see it. Wait, Enough that had been

4:40

really built up for me, and I had

4:42

also already seen. Ah, the

4:44

Chelsea Sisters first movie. Bound.

4:48

Which I had. Yeah, dude, Sea Cloud

4:50

not as a proper pence said it

4:52

was really that in certain scenes from

4:55

Lounge Dan and see him multiple times

4:57

perhaps. Ah, now it's a movie that

4:59

I. Love. And

5:01

I. Am basically.

5:04

To. Me the Mary about rocks I have be

5:06

weird experience culturally of being like how the

5:08

Matrix real stepped down his throat came how

5:10

i felt like i i did like it

5:12

by think it was. Those. Up

5:14

for me a lot and I I think it's.

5:17

Bucks. An hour I'm getting at people mad. I think

5:19

it's great by the good. It didn't hit me as

5:21

hard as it hit a lot of. People.

5:24

In the world's ah yes that is that

5:26

would him enraged people Your subject. As expensive

5:28

as I have to sell, I have to

5:30

Matrix experiences they want to bring up so

5:32

I switched. I think the same reason that

5:34

you were analyzed blur at first on the

5:36

Matrix was the thing I really liked. About

5:38

as I liked, I remember seeing it when

5:40

I first came out and really liking this

5:42

mix of elements that it was. It was

5:45

throwing all these things together and I hadn't

5:47

seen a You Does, hadn't seen a movie

5:49

that looked quite like this before. As much

5:51

as I found all the sunglasses and leather

5:53

jacket and rave. Certain and leather pants like

5:55

that doesn't do it for me. I find

5:57

that that's that's kind of ridiculous, but. Just.

5:59

The. It was put together. I thought was really cool I remember

6:01

the first time I saw it the volume and the in

6:04

the theater was way too high So me

6:06

and the person I was with we

6:09

were shielding our ears the entire time Because it

6:11

was so loud because it's all gunshots and even

6:13

when he was clicking keyboard keys It was too

6:15

loud and the second time and I wanted to

6:17

see it again and my dad had kept hearing

6:19

about it So we went to see it and

6:21

we went to see maybe the worst screening of

6:23

the matrix you could be in there was a

6:26

crying Baby in it. It was 9 p.m. The

6:28

screening that it starts There was a baby there

6:30

the audience was really loud and I just remember

6:32

watching the movie and an effort spending Longer

6:35

than the runtime of the movie trying to

6:37

explain to my dad what had happened in the movie

6:39

That we had just watched and he was like so

6:42

Neo's superpower is that he can be in

6:44

the matrix and in the real world and

6:46

I'm like no Everyone's in the matrix and

6:48

in the real world like they're they're in

6:50

the real world and they're hooked up into

6:52

the matrix But he's more connected to the

6:55

matrix. Okay. Okay. I think I understand So

6:57

when he's when he comes out of that

6:59

pod, that's because that's because he has like

7:01

he's in a pod has given him special

7:03

Powers. No, that's no they're all in pods.

7:05

Everybody is a battery in a pod It

7:08

was very hard for him to wrap his minds around it

7:10

his minds his three minds Bears

7:15

and two wolves and that's a lot of

7:17

mine. Yeah, there's two giraffes in each of

7:19

them one really big and one really little

7:22

Oh your dad's know his heart. I Dad.

7:26

Yeah, he was no No,

7:29

that makes me want to see a line of biblical

7:31

transformers or it's like a guy who turns

7:33

into Noah's Ark There's a guy who's like

7:35

the code of many colors. Yeah Yeah

7:41

But then I remember seeing the second movie

7:43

and being so incredibly Disappointed by it just

7:45

feeling like it was it had taken the

7:47

movie that I liked and and either repeated

7:49

elements were added in elements That I was

7:51

not interested in like the all the Zion

7:53

stuff and all the council of elders stuff

7:56

and like was not was Totally uninteresting to

7:58

me. So my only pushback on

8:00

that is that like so I was kind of lukewarm

8:02

on the first one, but I like the second one

8:04

a lot because though it does like give you stuff

8:06

that you're not going to care about, it

8:09

does it with like

8:11

action sequences that are nuts.

8:13

Like you have never seen

8:15

before. That's true. That highway.

8:18

The highway sequence is so good. Even

8:20

that those sequences are really good, but I feel like even

8:23

though that was new stuff, it didn't feel as new

8:25

as what I had seen in in the first matrix.

8:28

Right. Well, you can only break some

8:30

of the brain the same way once. I

8:34

will say that as much as I was, I probably

8:36

was a matrix compared to like being like really

8:38

hyped up from Loving Bound. It's like I think

8:40

Bound is a screenplay without an ounce

8:43

of fat on it. It really cooks

8:45

along. Whereas the matrix I

8:48

think kind of gets bogged down in

8:50

some places, but visually,

8:53

like imaginatively, it was sort of

8:55

this amazing mind blowing thing to

8:57

watch. And it helps that it has to great.

9:00

The first matrix has two incredible

9:02

villain performances with

9:04

Hugo Weaving and Joey Pants. But

9:06

also like, uh,

9:08

like Lawrence Fisher is really good in that

9:10

first one. It was the beginning of Keanu

9:13

Reeves kind of, I think being understood as

9:15

what he can bring to a movie as

9:17

a performer, that the kind of blankness of

9:19

him is an asset rather than something to

9:21

be pushed against, you know, and and

9:24

Carrie Anne Moss is fine, you know, and

9:26

it's like, wow, wow, she's she's really good.

9:28

Maybe it was because in Matrix Revolutions, I

9:30

feel like she is not being used as

9:33

well as she was used in the first

9:35

Matrix that watching this I was like, Oh,

9:38

I'm not like I remember really

9:40

liking Carrie Anne Moss after that first movie and

9:42

Memento. And then in this one being like, Oh,

9:44

she's like, she just seems very, you

9:46

know, empty and blank here. This

9:49

movie loses our two main characters for

9:51

a huge chunk of it, which is

9:53

kind of the, I think the

9:55

biggest problem it has. I mean, like, well,

9:58

the most obvious problem it has. bigger

10:00

like sort of structural things that we'll get into. Yeah.

10:04

Uh, should we get into that? What happens in this

10:06

movie? Should we recap? So the first two matrix movies

10:08

and Casey, you haven't seen them. I mean, go see

10:10

the first one. There's like, I would argue, go see

10:12

the second one too. Sure. I mean, why not? It's

10:15

the future. There's like a computer where the robots have

10:17

taken over. There's a, everyone's jacked into a computer world

10:19

all the time. And Keanu

10:21

Reeves learned that remind anybody anything.

10:26

Yeah. It really makes you think. And

10:28

Keanu Reeves, he gets shown that the world

10:30

he thinks is real is actually an illusion

10:33

created by these computers. He takes a

10:35

red pill, which allowed terrible people to

10:37

have a metaphor for their shitty ideas,

10:39

uh, many years later. And I do

10:41

get, I do always get pleasure out

10:43

of when someone on Twitter would be

10:45

like, would make a matrix reference to describe being

10:47

like a Trump supporter. And one of the Wieckowski's

10:49

would be like, you don't understand the movie. Stop

10:51

watching it. Like, this is like go to hell.

10:54

Uh, and, uh, the,

10:57

and they're frightened machines and stuff. And there's an evil program

10:59

in the matrix that I guess works for the matrix. Uh,

11:02

and then he gets bigger than his britches in this one. And

11:04

then in the second movie, they find

11:06

a bunch of other, and the second one is just

11:10

kind of like, there's more computer programs and more,

11:12

more worlds or whatever. But it, it feels like

11:15

it doesn't, it's by the end of the

11:17

movie, uh, Keanu Reeves' character, Neo,

11:19

he's like, meets the guy who

11:21

created the program that created the matrix, I guess.

11:23

And it doesn't really lead to very much of

11:25

anything. Yeah. I mean,

11:27

it's, it's the, like the sci-fi staple

11:29

of like, you're not the first, uh,

11:31

hero to go on this cycle. You're

11:33

one of many, this cycles happen many

11:36

times. Yeah. So it's futile for you

11:38

to do anything you jerk. And as

11:40

a movie, and Neo has genuine superpowers

11:42

by this point, not just within the

11:44

computer world, but in the real work

11:46

physical meat space as well. Uh, I

11:48

know that we haven't gotten into, um,

11:52

the, the movie we're actually talking about yet,

11:54

but since we're sort of talking about matrix,

11:56

new year's resolutions, yeah. I'm

12:02

in this weird position of- It feels like this year I

12:04

resolved to be a better Christ figure. I'm

12:07

in this weird position of looking at these

12:09

Matrix sequels and thinking like, that

12:11

I respect them for sort

12:14

of not going the

12:16

obvious sequel directions that these sorts of

12:18

movies get. The

12:20

sequels I think are interested in complicating

12:23

the situation and undermining

12:25

the mission or the

12:28

reality that you thought was true of the mission in

12:31

ways that a lot of sequels are

12:33

just content to like give

12:35

you more along the

12:37

same story. So I

12:39

admire that I think that these movies are up

12:41

to something, but also

12:43

I feel like their biggest problem for me

12:46

is like the Matrix feels- even

12:48

though it ends in a quote unquote open ended

12:50

way, it feels like a real self contained story.

12:53

And these movies feel like they're

12:55

trying to spin out ways to

12:58

make it keep going and the ways

13:01

are interesting, like they're different than the

13:03

most obvious ways, but they

13:06

feel like they don't need to be. No,

13:10

in the first movie, what are the strengths of it? To me,

13:12

the strengths are that feeling of you

13:14

don't know what's real and what's not real for

13:16

a lot of it. Someone having the scales pulled

13:18

from their eyes and seeing a new level of

13:20

reality and these amazing kind of kung fu action

13:22

sequences. And there's a lot of gun

13:25

fu stuff, but the fifth

13:27

one, as we'll see, it spends so

13:29

much time on an enormous gun battle

13:31

between guys in mech armor and flying

13:33

robots, and there's no reality

13:35

warp aspect of it. And

13:38

it's also the action in that sequence is

13:40

not fun or interesting. It's just guns being

13:42

fought. Guys yell, a guy yelling, knuckle up!

13:44

And then he yells knuckle up so many

13:46

times, just firing these big guns and things,

13:48

and it takes forever. And I was like,

13:50

okay, this movie has really escaped the bonds

13:52

that were making it interesting before. And

13:55

then they're shooting at what, like asteroids

13:57

or something? They're just shooting at swarms

13:59

of... That knows. I'm.

14:01

A another another lie and men, sentinels who

14:03

are like mutants you have five Second, I

14:06

know you know me lives in I would.

14:08

I would argue that see the just doro

14:10

design of the sand noses Pro: know it's

14:12

this design and I love that the sentinels

14:14

that the way they are with the text

14:16

with the tentacles it mirrors the dreads that

14:18

so many people in the written media in

14:20

the world as I am seem to have

14:23

like Is this: it is a cool design,

14:25

a grateful science so any. It's just not

14:27

as good as a big pink and purple

14:29

mandrell by me to convey a. Mutiny.

14:32

On minutes to the tentacle out of my

14:34

hand and rap you wouldn't see you couldn't

14:36

escape and dibs blow me up in L

14:38

O no a fastball special go on. The

14:40

I mean up over and I over rated

14:42

as my one weakness. Sharp knives, Anyway,

14:46

so let's start with the Matrix Revolutions Less

14:48

and now that we talked for a long

14:50

time about it's a subtle A says that

14:52

it's So we start out resuming and computer

14:55

code and there's Fractals Multi city is inside

14:57

of a computer and with is a bunch

14:59

of serious guys and looking for some missing

15:01

operatives and morphy. As a Laurence Fishburne, he

15:03

wants to search the Matrix for Neo Calories

15:05

has gone missing even though Neos not plugged

15:08

in. His. His body is in

15:10

a coma and they can't find his

15:12

soul and Murphy's please it somewhere in

15:14

the Matrix. and meanwhile the machines the

15:16

sent in the seem bad guys. they're

15:18

on their way to Xy on the

15:20

secret headquarters hide out of the humans

15:22

which is just said. Grimy

15:25

industrial highlight tunnel that have one

15:27

seems to live in and it

15:29

seems like if they are of

15:31

uterus aiming their their quarters eligible

15:33

for it is whether. That Jolie

15:35

Pitt jokingly? any. In the first movie,

15:37

he is a villain because he chooses the

15:39

illusion of the Matrix over the reality of

15:41

living in. The. Long underpants in a

15:43

tunnel and it's like, i don't know dude,

15:46

it seems better. It seems better to live

15:48

our lives we have the illusion of nature

15:50

than to live in a grimy tunnel in

15:53

the middle of right? Nothing in other cloves

15:55

do seem to be mostly burlap with I

15:57

imagine that the most comfortable things and. I

16:00

have to assume that Newsies is huge in the

16:02

made her head where else? That's how they're fashion

16:04

trends. really. get started. So

16:06

anyway I'm very very have access to much

16:09

nicer clothes. What they want to wear the

16:11

disease it via i'm it's the everyone in

16:13

his in his movies they either way on

16:15

long leather dusters or the were a do

16:17

these clothes like that's pretty much set of.

16:19

The only options are the machines on the

16:21

way the science and the Oracle wants to

16:23

talk to Morphy as we remember the Oracle,

16:25

the elderly lady who tells the future or

16:27

whatever. Meanwhile Neil finds himself in the most.

16:30

Crazy. Tripped out. To.

16:33

You never imagine this type of

16:35

space. An empty underground. Train station on

16:37

the whole movies like a total Us

16:39

and sit. He started to little girl named

16:41

saucy who says that season to go

16:43

to the Matrix but the train man does

16:46

not want Neo to go to the

16:48

Matrix guys. less likely that another do. Cool

16:50

character or cabin up the treasure play

16:52

by a famous cared red or blue Spence.

16:55

Not. Mad about that. Although I am mad

16:57

the be seems are in the movie at

16:59

all. they're pointless. They're very point. It's a

17:01

very be effort and through I don't I

17:03

kept expecting it says. Feel. Like it

17:05

meant something. Target of the United: The No.

17:07

Way. To get out of where they put

17:10

me away for him to glass and will

17:12

say at first it seems like the son

17:14

of a neat visual representation of a way

17:16

station between programs this kind of em down

17:18

semi divine seeming so a season but he

17:20

says there for a long time he says

17:23

if you want to see a movie where

17:25

the hero is hanging around waiting for he

17:27

trains then. Watch. The beginning of

17:29

Once upon A in the West where three bad

17:31

guys sit for like eight minutes waiting for a

17:33

train. And it is. It. Is you can't

17:35

take your. Eyes Off Of that A

17:37

fire. So incredibly captivating. But anyway,

17:39

also, I'm probably. It's.

17:41

Weird when I decide to get like more literal minded

17:43

about give up some of the the ice. he very

17:46

inconsistent more than I was out of as a i'll

17:48

go with it's but I do have more of a.

17:51

I. Have of are you them minutes A

17:53

vacuum cleaner wouldn't pull her skirt and

17:55

her shirt off. an upset they're not

17:57

connected with her yard or the other

17:59

movie. And then

18:01

you're like a giant the real that climbs of a

18:03

skyscraper. yell by its shore. Yum yum Jimmy Some of

18:06

those I. I

18:08

I find it harder to deal with these sort of

18:10

like. Limited

18:12

spaces within the. Matrix.

18:14

Were were. I. Understand why

18:17

the matrix exists as it

18:19

is, but why makes. The.

18:21

Space between spaces to borrow a

18:24

phrase from. See them The Crystal

18:26

Skull. Why make those legs. Player

18:29

but he walks through like yeah.

18:31

like your and disclosure and your points

18:33

You give your file by opening a

18:35

filing cabinet at the end of a

18:38

virtual. Like. Platform where they relented

18:40

and semi I think it is there.

18:42

I will giving them the benefit that

18:44

I will say. I think it's very

18:46

hard for the human mind to conceive

18:48

of nonsensical spaces. Yeah, distance, distance and

18:51

physical presence don't exist. It reminds me

18:53

of in like don't worry darling, we're

18:55

the programs world ceasing after her to

18:57

stop her from reaching this physical space.

18:59

and it's like. Well. They're all

19:01

our computer. suggest satellite. Animal.

19:04

Lover or delete her? Yeah, just lies. We'll

19:06

see some places replace yes move for but

19:08

why? You have to run from point A

19:10

to point B when this is not a

19:12

real physical space and I think it's hard

19:14

for our minds and to avoid mapping. The.

19:16

Our experiences physical beings onto this kind

19:19

of cyber world war. That's why I'm

19:21

like as maybe just don't deal with

19:23

that because again understandable sale The matrix

19:25

words built, they built for humans interact

19:28

to be in a little why. Why?

19:30

Building this way for programs to do things

19:32

like to have them speak in their. Ones.

19:35

And zeroes Anyway, Ah I

19:37

think because humans are interested in people His

19:39

version of the says this is a movie

19:42

for people and so these these are smokers

19:44

smoke but it's it's amazing that people but

19:46

it mmm breadsticks in a Hutch The Matrix

19:48

when I was when I was working on

19:50

on his Tv show has Broken which was

19:52

about animals will get note sometimes or it's

19:54

like. This animals are

19:56

acting a little bit too much like people here and

19:58

often was like yes, For people like

20:01

the shows not for animals like where I

20:03

fit into accurate rendition of how a cat

20:05

saints you know slurred are using a cat's

20:07

illustrates human life in human emotions because people

20:09

watch this sales and I think it's easy

20:11

sometimes to forget that will do little little

20:13

i wonder anyway the people that made like

20:15

been Gmc ago same notes ups and for

20:17

of his service dog that way too much

20:20

like a human access to mostly Chevy Chase

20:22

right now without regard as sometimes it is

20:24

true that like we would do things for

20:26

it's like okay this this animal is acting

20:28

with a sense of agency that a person

20:30

would have been an animal games a pet

20:32

since leave their house that easily but. There.

20:35

Are other times when it's like this? this this

20:37

what this animal is. Saying just seems like you're

20:39

use i'm a Human Things is the animal

20:41

terms Yeah well we are this the locomotive,

20:43

a show or to smoke of the human.

20:45

Six cents Anyway, wealth morphy us infinity they

20:47

did before a call. This is only have

20:49

realized I'm a copy of Animal for her.

20:52

Out of this is this a different

20:54

oracle than in the previous movies are

20:56

different Actress get the idea that the

20:58

worthless changed for worms and they've written

21:00

that into the into the script. that's

21:02

she says that near was translating. This

21:05

is a are a clever way to

21:07

deal with. Ah. The the sad passing of

21:09

an actor. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I

21:11

would rather than like say the modern equivalent

21:13

which is like now it's do a Cd

21:15

like loves You dissolvers of that yeah Stewart

21:17

Times as you might be listening right now.

21:20

Will. Top Series. Ah oh no he's

21:22

anything me out Only are you a

21:24

hypocrite? Yeah. Snow and ice ice. The

21:26

drivers the I like it more than

21:29

trying to or the i'm. That.

21:31

there is that at that sopranos episode after

21:33

nancy mars and eyes were the kind of

21:36

fucked her head on to someone else his

21:38

body and it's like maybe you don't need

21:40

the scene that badly enough but i think

21:42

the size of a deal with me i

21:44

like the idea that she has switched digital

21:47

sends skins rather but like liberal then spread

21:49

out what to read certain idols yeah more

21:51

and more like larry rates series where people

21:53

someone is like this is like i'm the

21:55

web mistress a sound as if that i've

21:58

i've seek the internet or the hottest stories

22:00

life right Here's one, let's jack into this

22:02

tale. And then the same old story they

22:04

always have. Larry, he wears a

22:06

leisure suit. What in previous

22:09

decades would have been a Colin sex

22:12

line show then become. Yeah, it's not

22:14

like a Reddit page. No,

22:16

sorry. The thing I was originally

22:18

saying before I misspoke was. What

22:20

is a Reddit, this is the show

22:23

I'll pitch this in a max, it's

22:25

called r slash sex and it's just

22:27

a Reddit page that launches into stories.

22:30

I'm sure r slash sex is what I don't know. I'm sure

22:32

it exists already. I don't know what it is. I've never been

22:34

there, I don't wanna go. Guys,

22:37

if you check out fear.com, those are serious. I'm

22:40

too busy on Beast Nighter's strange lantern. Yeah.

22:44

No, I like the idea that she

22:46

switched looks within the matrix. I

22:49

find the reason for it

22:51

to be pretty dumb, trying

22:55

to cover for this idea. The

22:57

idea that her punishment was that she

23:00

had to switch the way she looked or

23:02

whatever. I mean, it's just kind of like

23:04

a hand wavy type explanation, which is fine.

23:07

She says Neo is trapped in a world between

23:09

this world and the machine world and they've gotta

23:11

get to Neo before the train man does. The

23:15

train man works for the

23:17

Merovingian, this rogue program. Basically

23:19

just a crime boss. It's

23:21

like a French program. He's a French

23:23

program, they have to call him the Frenchman. He's

23:26

a French program. He's made of leoons and lezieros.

23:28

You know? Oh. And

23:33

me and binary, homon share.

23:35

You know rogue, you and I.

23:38

He's gambit now. That's a hate crime. Yeah.

23:42

Neo, he meets Sati's family, their programs. They

23:45

say the train man that works for the

23:47

French man and he controls the transport between

23:49

worlds and Sati's a program without a purpose.

23:52

And so she has been marked for deletion

23:54

and her father asked the Merovingian to help

23:56

him save her from being deleted and he

23:59

and Neo. They're both there because

24:01

they love someone. And love is a

24:04

theme that's gonna run half-assedly through the

24:06

movie at different points. The

24:09

character of Seraf, we all remember him, right? He

24:12

used to work for the Merovingian, right? Originally

24:14

supposed to be played by Jet Li,

24:16

right? Have you, there's that story where

24:19

he was originally, they approached him, but

24:21

part of the contract would be that

24:23

they would be recording all of his

24:26

moves and then digitally, that Warner Brothers

24:28

or whatever would digitally own them. And

24:30

he's like, yeah, those are my moves.

24:33

That's my, like, that's my currency. To

24:35

his great credit, yeah, he said, I don't need

24:37

to do that, so I'm not going to do

24:39

that, which I admire him enormously for that. Seraf,

24:45

he leads Morpheus and Trinity onto a subway train

24:47

and they find a homeless guy who has a

24:49

gun. It's the train man. He refuses to help

24:51

him and he runs off, shooting back at them

24:53

and shouting, I'm not quite sure why he's mad.

24:56

I'm not quite sure why they couldn't go, hey,

24:58

wait, we want to ask you for something. Like

25:00

it's, anyway, the- I'm also

25:02

not sure why the train man, like

25:04

with his job, like why

25:07

has he chosen to be this sort

25:10

of crazed, like,

25:13

I don't know. That's who he's programmed to

25:15

be, I guess, that he's supposed to be

25:17

like a vagrant. Ghosts kind of. Yeah,

25:19

yeah, yeah. And the train shows up at Neo

25:21

Station and we've been led to this point to

25:23

be like, uh-oh, if the train man finds Neo,

25:26

this is going to be bad and

25:29

Merovingian has a price on Neo's head. The train shows

25:32

up at Neo Station and the train man goes, hey,

25:34

Neo, you're not going anywhere and punches him.

25:36

And then Sasi's family gets on the train and they leave. And

25:38

I was like, oh, so that's the long awaited

25:40

meetup between the train man and Neo, not

25:43

really much of anything. It's

25:45

a lot of time spent building up the train man,

25:47

a character who appears, I think,

25:49

in one more scene in the background at the

25:52

Merovingian's Club and then not again for the rest

25:54

of the movie. It's a real, it felt like

25:56

an episode of the Matrix TV show rather than

25:58

a movie scene. Yeah, that

26:00

he's a monster of the week. Yeah, exactly. He's

26:02

the he's the he's the blank man of the

26:04

week I don't mean blank man the hilarious character

26:06

But I mean the you know all the so

26:09

many characters are just blank and man as their

26:11

name Sarath

26:14

Morpheus and Trinity they they

26:16

kill their way into Into

26:20

the Merovingian's Club first they go through

26:22

the lobby where they have to fight

26:24

some Anti-gravity acrobat hit men who decide

26:26

to fight on the ceiling for no

26:28

particular reason which isn't enough to

26:30

differentiate like again part of the thing that

26:32

I liked about the second movie is that

26:34

there seemed to be a Genuine

26:36

effort to be like if we're gonna put action

26:38

sequences in here. It's going to be different Yeah,

26:41

it's going to be something you haven't seen before

26:43

and I feel like this is one of many

26:45

action sequences where I'm like Yeah, I kind

26:47

of saw that Yeah, it feels like they're kind

26:49

of going through the motions and it's one of those were

26:51

like the bad guys are on the ceiling The good guys on

26:53

the floor But it doesn't really affect what they're doing that

26:55

much because they're just still kind of punching and kicking and shooting

26:57

each other It's just a lack

27:00

of imagination in that in that moment and it's hard to

27:02

tell to yourself when you've made the matrix but still They

27:05

that they get into a leather rave where the

27:07

Merovingian is there with Mistress Monica

27:09

Belucci who has nothing to do in this other

27:11

than sit there with her boobs spilling out of

27:13

her top And it feels like a real

27:15

waste of Monica Belucci So

27:17

yeah, I mean that said Put

27:21

Monica Belucci in every movie. I will never complain

27:23

I'm not gonna complain about seeing Monica Belucci

27:26

certainly not but it's just there's just a

27:28

you know If

27:30

that's all you're gonna give her to do. Yeah, that's

27:32

why I guess she got a paycheck out of

27:34

it That's fine. Maybe if she was only there

27:36

for like one shooting day But yeah capable of

27:38

so much more than just being background wallpaper now

27:41

this leather Club

27:44

it's not a leather club, but like a lot of

27:46

people wearing leather pretty much a leather I

27:49

mean Leather Club has

27:51

a different kind of different meaning I mean

27:53

I kind of assumed that was what was

27:55

going on here, too I mean every every

27:57

place that you go to in the matrix

27:59

or in Zion or anywhere is two steps

28:01

away from just becoming an S and M

28:03

club. Yeah. Just for him or to be,

28:05

or being the vampire Raven blade, what led

28:07

to pouring out of the ceiling. Yeah. These

28:09

outfits are more sort of like kind

28:12

of the next step along, like

28:15

slightly sexier than, than the, uh, our

28:17

heroes, leather outfits, yeah, spectrum rather than

28:19

being like bondage gear for the most

28:21

part. But I guess what I'm saying

28:23

is if it's supposed to be a

28:25

super cool kind of almost a little

28:28

intimidating super like club, it's

28:30

gotta be more intense than the club from

28:32

the super Mario brothers movie where that, the

28:35

original one where that was one where I was

28:37

like, this feels genuinely dangerous to be in this

28:39

is weird for these kids characters to be in.

28:42

I was bringing it up only because you've

28:45

got me thinking about the clothes. And I think

28:47

that I don't, I can't remember whether we talked

28:49

about this on the show before and you were

28:51

saying this, but the idea that like no one

28:53

in the matrix, like everyone, when they go on

28:55

this mission agrees, like, okay, we're going to do

28:57

a leather dusters and sunglasses, right?

29:00

Like little square or, or ovular sunglasses.

29:02

Yeah. No one's like, I want to

29:04

be a cowboy. Do

29:07

me anything on these things. Like, why is

29:09

everybody, it would be so it's like, I

29:12

feel like when you're in a virtual reality

29:14

space in the movies, it is so

29:16

often that you are either in. Leather

29:19

1930s suits or

29:21

like silver jumpsuits or whatever, like Tron type stuff.

29:23

And it would be fun. If someone's like, why

29:25

can't I just dress like Dracula? Like, why can't

29:28

I wear, why can't I wear a furry suit?

29:30

Like that's going to go on this mission

29:32

where I'm doing really impossible things.

29:35

Let's make it really fun. And

29:37

guys, you guys are asking to

29:39

start a new RPG so badly. I, yeah,

29:41

for sure. I mean, I think, I guess the thing

29:43

is like the matrix movies are still

29:45

tied to an idea of like looking cool, which

29:47

is a very, and very kind of

29:50

like. Cyberpunk type type cool look or,

29:52

or rate nineties, rave culture look, but on the

29:54

internet, I'll break it to you guys. I'll just

29:56

go to the limit. The internet is not cool.

29:58

The internet is maybe the. Cool place that

30:01

anything can be and the internet is mostly

30:03

people But but finding a place

30:05

to this exists. I mean this one

30:08

Cool thing that's the thing this one cool But it's

30:10

the place where people can go to do the uncool

30:12

stuff that they don't get to do in real life

30:14

Which is not and I don't want to cast this

30:16

person say things like being a Jedi or a furry

30:18

or anything It's not cool because there's certainly a coolness

30:21

to it in that you can be yourself, you

30:23

know But that's what I would want to

30:25

see. I want to see the matrix We're like they're all in

30:27

animal costumes or they're all dressed Yeah, like the

30:30

characters they loved as kids or something or that everybody

30:32

kind of gets to do their own thing I mean

30:34

exactly that there's there for a movie that is so

30:36

much ostensibly about individuality

30:38

and not being part of a system

30:40

the fact that all the heroes dress

30:42

the exact same way act the exact

30:45

same way look talk Behave the exact

30:47

same way that fights that idea. Yeah

30:50

To minimize the number of at replies I just

30:52

want to say I did I did just

30:54

remember that in the second movie there's

30:57

like this implication that you know stuff

30:59

like vampires and werewolves come

31:01

out of like these sort of rogue

31:03

programs in the matrix or

31:05

like people like doing whatever they Want

31:08

to do but it is a different thing than

31:10

just being like yeah, how

31:12

you're like a big funny Dracula guy Around

31:15

I want to be a cowboy. Well, I mean

31:17

people don't have to dress up like drat. I

31:19

don't mean Dracula literally I just like other stuff,

31:21

you know other stuff. They're not that far from

31:23

Dracula's I mean when we would play vampire the

31:25

masquerade when I was in high school all of

31:28

our character descriptions were basically matrix Yeah, that makes

31:30

sense. Okay, that's fair. Okay. So anyway,

31:32

um, but to get back to what we're sure I

31:34

thought you were gonna say like to to avoid our

31:36

at replies Furies are great because

31:38

I'm not I'm again. I'm casting no aspersions on

31:40

there. No, no, you said that okay So,

31:44

uh, anyway, they go to the club. They meet

31:46

the Merovingian Monica Baluchi is there but

31:48

she doesn't get to say anything And he says

31:50

I'll trade you Neo for the

31:52

eyes of the Oracle and

31:55

this seems like it's gonna set up a sort

31:57

of Like, uh, what are they gonna do fetch

31:59

quest? Yeah But instead, he just

32:01

pulls out a gun and suddenly everyone has

32:03

guns and she goes, give me Neo or

32:05

everyone in this room is going to die

32:07

from being shot by everybody else. And

32:09

the next scene is Trinity just getting out of

32:11

a subway train at that train station and getting

32:14

Neo. And it's like, so that was what this

32:16

was all leading up to. Like it felt

32:18

like such a, it felt like such an

32:20

anti-climax. Yeah. That the, this entire opening sequence,

32:23

it could have just been trimmed. They could have had Neo

32:25

show up and be like, wow, that was a crazy adventure we

32:27

went on. Well, we don't really need to talk about it. Like

32:31

you don't need all of this way to

32:33

get them out of like the

32:35

matrix coma he's in at the end

32:37

of the second one. Like there's a

32:39

quicker way. I mean, I do

32:43

admire that like they

32:46

in a certain way, even though all of this

32:48

is unnecessary, they don't extend it too much. On

32:51

the other hand, I mean, if they extended it further, it would

32:53

be the movie in which case I would send it more and

32:55

then cut a lot of that middle stuff where it's

33:00

just tentacle things shooting at each other, then maybe

33:02

that would be a better movie. Maybe

33:04

I, I, it feels very weird. It feels like they

33:07

feel like they need to service the existence of the

33:09

Merovingian, a character who doesn't really

33:11

play any real role from that point on, like

33:13

it's, it feels, I guess maybe that's my issue

33:15

with this movie. It feels like the matrix is

33:17

super cool. The matrix reloaded, which I

33:19

didn't love, but it feels like it does open up

33:21

the world quite a bit and the matrix revolution is

33:24

like, okay, we've got this whole world to play in.

33:28

Uh, do you guys have any ideas? What we could do

33:30

in this world. We set up all

33:32

these cool characters. Anyway, uh, Trinity gets Neo before

33:34

Neo leaves the matrix. He visits the Oracle and

33:36

they talk about Neo's power and they've got to

33:38

see this man machine war end. They just, they

33:41

just need to see it end. It's the

33:43

same kind of conversation they usually have where it's like

33:45

kind of cryptic kind of information, kind of not. And

33:47

she makes it clear that agent Smith is

33:50

Neo's opposite and soon agent Smith will

33:52

have to, the power to destroy all

33:54

the worlds. And meanwhile, uh,

33:57

Bain, a one of the guys on the.

34:00

spaceship, he wakes up from his coma

34:02

in Zion World. I didn't remember this. Did Batman put him

34:04

in the coma? Yeah, yeah. He was the guy who, uh,

34:06

yeah. I picked up

34:08

from Context Sluice that he set off an EMP pulse

34:10

in the last movie, but I didn't remember any of

34:12

that. Yeah, yeah. He was like, oh, fire rises. Well,

34:16

Neil, you think perhaps you don't need

34:18

to be in The Matrix, but maybe

34:20

you do have to be in The

34:22

Matrix. Bane, I don't understand. What's your

34:24

philosophy in this world? Well, even in

34:27

the Batman movie, it wasn't that really

34:29

airtight in ideology. I'm in

34:31

here cosplaying as a vampire. The

34:35

creatures of the night. It's always night here

34:37

since there's big clouds over the sun. Remember,

34:39

they talked about that in the first movie.

34:42

So one fun thing about this Bane guy.

34:45

Were you Bane or are you Dracula? Well, it's

34:47

kind of hard to say which character

34:49

I am. Oh, dear. Oh, wow. Oh, God. You

34:52

know, I'm working. It's here in The Matrix.

34:54

We can be any character we want. So I'm

34:57

just jumping from character to character, especially if

34:59

our voices are a little similar. Man, he

35:01

looks a bit... It's a little bit differently

35:03

similar. Yeah,

35:06

saying yeah. Here we are in The Matrix. Oh,

35:09

God. No getting him

35:11

to bed tonight. So

35:17

the thing about this Bane guy... Anyway, Hugo Gaga, reborn as

35:19

a star child, and we're back. Okay. So

35:22

Bane is a human

35:24

who somehow got Agent

35:26

Smith inside his head. Yes. So

35:29

and... I mean, we all have Hugo weaving

35:31

inside our heads. That guy, once he gets

35:33

under his skin, he doesn't let go. Yeah.

35:35

I do think it's fun watching this actor

35:38

do a Hugo weaving impression. Yeah. Even to

35:40

the point where he's doing it and Neo's

35:42

like, who are you? And I'm like,

35:44

what? He called you Mr. Anderson, dog. Only

35:48

one person calls you Mr. Anderson. It's

35:51

like if a stranger just

35:53

came up to me and was like,

35:55

read to me, daddy. I'd be like, hmm, my child's

35:57

mind might be in this other person's body. calls

36:00

me daddy or ask me to read to them.

36:02

Well, not for free. Yeah,

36:04

not for free. Yeah. No, cause I'm my

36:07

only fans where I read story books to

36:09

people. I think there's, I

36:11

think there's money in it. It's just you, it's

36:13

work. You gotta dedicate yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Only fans

36:15

jr. It's called having trouble putting the kids to

36:17

bed tired after a long day. Just put them

36:19

in front of only fans jr. Pay me a

36:21

little, a few extra tips and I'll read them

36:23

their favorite story book that I do

36:25

it in a sexy way. That's the only way to do things. Uh,

36:29

you're mixing up while I

36:31

think that any way that Elliott

36:33

reads a book can be sexy.

36:35

I, uh, you've made it weird.

36:38

The night that max made mischief of one

36:40

kind, another is mother

36:43

called him wild thing. Send

36:45

him to bed without any supper

36:47

at all. Read it more

36:50

like Ken Cottrell on sex in

36:52

the city. Kind of pretty

36:54

sassy. Yeah. Let

36:56

the wild rumpus start. Yeah. It's where the

36:58

wild things are that I'm reading. I

37:00

skipped some words earlier. Yeah. That's fine. You

37:04

ready? Dan looked aside like he was researching

37:06

something. I thought you

37:09

were moving along. Uh, trying

37:12

to consider how much more of where the wild things are

37:14

to say in a sexy manner with

37:16

the heart of all their eyes without blinking once. And

37:22

they called him the wildest thing

37:24

of all. Anyway, so, uh,

37:26

so anyway, they're dealing with

37:29

more, they're dealing with more, uh,

37:31

like fallout from the end of

37:33

the second movie. And

37:36

for a movie that, I

37:38

mean, this movie is only like just over two

37:40

hours long. For some reason in my head, I

37:42

built it up and I'm like this four hour

37:44

Epic of matrix seen us. But I feel like

37:46

they spend so much time just cleaning

37:48

up everything kind from the end of the

37:51

last movie kind of without that

37:53

much trouble. Yes. Pretty easily. And

37:55

then they spend all, I mean, there's not a

37:57

lot that happens in this movie. There's basically like.

38:00

Four sequences you could say like it's there's

38:02

not a lot going on but which is why

38:04

it's funny that it's a long but honestly my

38:06

I mean I guess this is the final judgment see thing to say

38:08

but who cares that was like my main take

38:11

away from this movie is it felt like. They

38:13

thought they needed to make a trilogy really

38:16

they use most of it up into movies

38:18

and then they're like oh shit let's stretch

38:20

this recipe you know it

38:23

doesn't feel like a lot of extra a

38:25

lot of xanthan gum to make things things

38:27

with like kind of stretch out more maybe

38:29

make. Two and a half movies rather than

38:31

full three yeah can you do it is

38:34

a very popular day and you can release

38:36

that drop like 30 minute movie and I

38:38

mean theaters love it they just call me

38:40

meetings may accept a log it's 40 minutes

38:42

long you put it in the theaters it's

38:45

in 4d which means that like robot

38:47

tentacles laughing in the face while you're watching

38:50

it really a new idea yeah so so

38:52

serif he picks up satie from the oracle's

38:54

apartment but oh agent smith shows up with

38:56

a bunch of other agent smith and he

38:58

turns the oracle and he's like. In to

39:01

another agent smith who starts laughing

39:03

agent smith has the ability to turn metrics

39:05

people into agent smith and

39:07

we're in the world on with his smile

39:10

yeah you go even smile hell yeah buddy

39:12

so we're on this ship called the hammer

39:15

and they're interrogating bane but then they locate

39:17

another ship and they go to investigate

39:19

it hey it's naoby jada picket her

39:21

crew from the what the nevika nezor

39:23

that was their ship right no nevika

39:26

no no the logos yeah never cuz

39:28

there was more fusion. I think

39:30

they keep track of it maybe cuz I didn't care

39:32

that much I could not remember which ship was which

39:34

and there's a logos and the hammer and the hammer

39:36

is the one that other

39:39

guys are on and logos is

39:41

is naoby's I think yeah this really

39:43

points up the difficulty of doing just

39:46

this movie alone because it is so

39:49

tied back to number two yeah

39:52

sorry I just started

39:54

thinking about the I did it

39:57

is in a certain way tied to number two and

39:59

sometimes. minds as well. But yeah,

40:02

it's hard to like, I'm not as

40:04

familiar with what happened in

40:07

the previous installment. So I forgot

40:09

these characters completely from the second

40:11

move. Again, it's been 20

40:13

years since I saw the second movie. So, but

40:15

it's like, okay, this is, these are more Zion

40:18

freedom fighters. Everyone's either a robot, a Mr. Smith,

40:20

or a, or a Zion freedom

40:22

fighter. That's pretty much everybody. And the council in

40:24

Zion with, you know, professor Cornel West, they hear

40:26

the news that in 12 hours,

40:29

the sentinels, the robots that, that

40:31

worked for the matrix that are kind of like

40:33

floating balls with a bunch of tentacles. They're like

40:35

a robot octopuses, right? They're going to, yeah, they're

40:38

going to do love, I do love that

40:40

when they're like communicating with each other, one

40:43

of their tentacles turns into a little like

40:45

radar dish. Yes. Yeah. And they have

40:47

a, they have a, they're going to reach the city in

40:49

12 hours. Luckily the army has a plan to fight back

40:51

under, uh, what general Mafuni has a

40:53

plan to fight back, which is just to shoot. So

40:56

anyway, when they show up, shoot them a bunch. Uh,

40:59

the other, so the characters in some of

41:01

the other characters that I guess were also

41:03

in the previous movie, they're disagreeing of whether

41:06

to evacuate the city or to fight. There's

41:08

a character named Z whose boyfriend is on

41:10

the logos crew or the

41:12

hammer crew. I forget which, and

41:15

they, that's a Harold

41:17

Perinow. Yes. And she's like, if

41:19

I have to, I have to fight because otherwise I might

41:21

not get to see him. And there's this, I guess a

41:24

guy that keeps saying as a teenager, but he looks like

41:26

he's like 28 years old and

41:28

he wants to recruit and they're like, you're too

41:30

young to recruit. And I'm like, seriously, he looks

41:33

like you should be mustered out at this point.

41:35

Like, but, and he's, yeah, check out Natalie Portman

41:37

and, uh, in that movie, uh, the May December

41:39

movie over here, he's like, Oh, he looks old

41:41

enough. He wasn't up to party. He doesn't look

41:43

like a teenager and they just, he

41:45

doesn't have a name, the character. They just call him like

41:47

the kid, you know, like a squirrel or tadpole

41:49

or something. He doesn't have like a

41:51

cool little matric. No, no, they don't

41:53

get it. But he, but he manages

41:55

to recruit, to volunteer to fight and,

41:58

uh, the crew he's going to be a. He's

42:00

gonna be in the support role of delivering ammunition.

42:02

So the crew of the They

42:05

reenergize Naomi's ship and they're like we got

42:07

to get to stop these machines at Zion

42:09

and neo goes I need a

42:11

ship I'm gonna go to the machine city where

42:13

the matrix lives because we're stealing from Empire Strikes

42:15

Back right now and I'm just gonna take a

42:17

ship and leave the rebellion and go on my

42:19

own mission and They've like no

42:21

ship has ever been to the machine city before it and you know,

42:23

and I was like you could take my ship That's okay. I believe

42:25

in you. I know this is one of these scenes where like I

42:29

Feel like there was like Roger Ebert would talk a

42:31

lot about One of his

42:33

least favorite types of characters was like the

42:35

character that's in the movie just to be

42:38

wrong about something Yeah, well, there's a lot

42:40

of that in this one character who's just

42:42

like arguing so much against Neo taking the

42:44

ship and like wow, man, you're

42:46

really like turning around on this

42:50

matrix Messiah of yours One

42:53

ship and do a thing he's like this is never gonna

42:55

work And then as we've seen us movie if they had

42:57

another ship with them Wouldn't have mattered.

43:00

It might have maybe no for them later on

43:02

certainly like yeah It's uh,

43:04

it's like I've been Charlene and I've

43:06

been watching that good wife spin off

43:08

Ells Beth and literally every single episode

43:10

Ells Beth is like well, I don't

43:13

think this was a cut-and-dry suicide and

43:15

everybody else is like what? Like

43:21

if she if she doesn't six in a row

43:23

like after a while You have to you have

43:25

to start believing in yeah I

43:27

mean like credence to the things that

43:29

she's saying be like well, I'm not sure

43:31

you're right But you've been ready for unless

43:34

there's like deleted Ells Beth episodes that aren't

43:36

on the Paramount Plus app where they're like

43:38

Oh, no, she fucked up again Seven

43:41

died cuz Ells Beth had a theory. I mean

43:44

I I guess it's believable from a

43:47

like detective laziness perspective Yeah, but

43:49

that's a good first read narratively.

43:51

That's the second Least

43:54

believable thing about the show the most unbelievable

43:56

thing is that she is in

43:59

New York and her character last name is Tassione

44:01

and everybody acts like that is the craziest

44:03

name they've ever heard. Well, really? You

44:05

went to fucking school, the Vinny Tassione.

44:07

I don't think it's that, they make a

44:09

joke about, I have a lot of

44:11

support. They make a joke about Elsbeth

44:13

a lot. And I'm like, I

44:16

guess. I mean, like if you've only ever heard.

44:18

It is an out of the ordinary name. Elizabeth,

44:20

you're like, excuse me? But

44:22

it is out of the ordinary, but it's

44:25

a name. It's

44:27

a name that many people have had over

44:29

the years. Name one more, name another. I

44:32

don't know. Elsbeth Jones. You're right. You

44:34

proved me wrong. You're right. Name

44:36

one more, Dan. Can you name another, a third

44:38

one? Elsbeth Smith. I can do this all

44:40

day. He did it again. He did it. Dan

44:43

is unstoppable. Oh man, he can't be stopped. We're

44:45

leaving Elsbeth right now where you're Elsbeth and I'm like, there's

44:47

no way other people have that name. And you're just proving

44:49

me left and right. A real life Elsbeth

44:52

over here. I'm not saying it's not

44:54

unusual. I'm saying it's not so unusual that

44:56

like the show can make a running gag

44:58

out of it. Yeah, that makes sense. That

45:00

makes sense. Dan, let me just one more

45:02

thing. Name another Elsbeth. Elsbeth Colombo. He did

45:05

it. He did it. Wow. Yeah,

45:08

that was Mrs. Colombo's first name. Elsbeth.

45:12

So, so back to the movie, Bane,

45:14

he's still got an Agent Smith in his head. He kills

45:16

the medic on board the ship. Neo and Trinity, they

45:18

have a love moment where they affirm their trust in

45:20

each other. She's going to go with

45:22

him on his mission. And they say goodbye to the

45:25

rest of the crew. Uh oh, as soon as they

45:27

take off, Bane is on their ship. Oh no. He

45:29

takes Trinity prisoner after a little bit of a fight.

45:31

He gets a drop on Neo. And

45:33

he's like, human meat is weak. We need

45:36

to, I'm a computer program inside a human

45:38

brain. And it takes Neo so long to

45:40

realize that it's Agent Smith inside that head,

45:42

you know? Yeah. I mean,

45:44

obviously I feel like this is one of

45:46

the like elements of the allegory of the

45:48

Matrix that I, I mean, I feel like

45:50

it's a little on the nose, but I

45:53

also like it a lot that like Agent

45:55

Smith is this computer program who is so

45:57

like, he's so detests the body.

46:00

Like and it was like the bodies that he's

46:02

stuck with like the idea that he's in this

46:04

human body and he hates the smells And it

46:06

doesn't it doesn't I like that. I think that's

46:08

all great. Yeah, I think that's great It reminds

46:11

I just finished reading this book of short stories

46:13

by Terry Bisson called bears discover fire And

46:15

there's a story in it called they're made of meat

46:17

I think where these two aliens are talking about humans

46:19

and they're like they can't be made of meat. Yeah,

46:22

they are It's all meat like we probed all the

46:24

way through its meat all the way through well So

46:26

they how do they talk? You know that sound when

46:28

meat just kind of flaps against it That's

46:31

them. That's how they do it It's just flapping meat and

46:33

I and it was it's a really fun short story But

46:35

I like that aspect of it that he's like I hate

46:37

this I hate the physical sensation of being in a body,

46:39

you know All teenagers can

46:42

relate to that right and so

46:44

that they fight and talk about allegory

46:47

bane during the fight Blinds

46:49

neo. Oh, will this maybe

46:51

allow him a greater sight maybe

46:54

greater wisdom a la Odin perhaps Not

46:57

a fan not a fan of those because neo

46:59

can still see him even though he is blind

47:01

to the physical world He can still feel the

47:03

see the soul inside machines or something and

47:05

neo kills pain Anyway, Zion's prepping for

47:07

the machine assault captain mafuni gives a

47:09

pump-up speech to an army of mech

47:11

soldiers I need you guys opinions of these

47:13

mech soldiers called APUs. They're like gun versions

47:16

of the power loader from aliens I think

47:18

they're exactly what they I think they look

47:20

ridiculous. What do you guys think? Well,

47:23

yeah, they're I mean They're so

47:25

jiggly when they're shooting things Around

47:29

and wiggling around and also like man, you

47:31

know, I feel like the Like

47:34

robot suits the mech suits and like the

47:36

avatar movies is such a clear like similar

47:39

thing but Improved

47:41

upon also the one one has a giant

47:43

robot sized knife, which I think is cool

47:48

It's funny you say that about the movement Elliott like

47:50

I mean to me that look is Pretty

47:53

derivative as you say of like the loader

47:55

in aliens But

47:58

I liked the movement I liked I thought

48:00

the movement was fun. Oh, okay. It looks

48:02

very silly to me. It just looks very

48:04

like, like wiggly. And maybe that's

48:06

part of like, this is kind of

48:08

like thrown together stuff. And maybe they,

48:10

I'm sure they did real, real tests on

48:13

the physics of recoil. And they would have

48:15

it on, like they would have it on

48:17

shock absorbing things rather than hard struts absorb

48:20

that recoil. But it looks, it just, the way that

48:22

it looks like a bunch of toddlers and

48:24

suspenders because of the partly because of the

48:26

way the ammo belts hang, just kind of

48:28

waving guns in the air wildly, you know.

48:30

And one of the design elements, like as

48:33

you said, that it's thrown together, but you

48:35

would think that they would be a little

48:37

more unique or personalized. Certainly they might place

48:39

some kind of shielding over the pilot cannabis.

48:41

The monster, the sentinels only attack is just

48:44

like whipping you with their dreadlocks. It does

48:46

seem a little poor thinking

48:48

that there is absolutely no protection or

48:50

shielding at all to the front of

48:52

the, with the part of you that's facing

48:55

the bad guy. But also, yeah, they, that they're,

48:57

I mean, it's the thing that they do so

48:59

well in aliens where like all their stuff is

49:01

personalized and it's a smaller group of people in

49:03

that. But like, you feel like, oh, this is

49:05

their equipment that they use. And here, it just

49:08

feels like a repeated CGI figure that they've

49:10

kind of cut pasted into rows. I would

49:12

have been way more into fewer of these

49:14

suits, but they're like slightly more personalized. Yes.

49:17

There's a lot of them too. There's a lot of, I was

49:19

like, oh, this looks like a real army. I'm not that scared

49:21

for them. I do think though that

49:23

like, if this had been used

49:25

judiciously, a

49:28

lot of this- Or even judiciously. I

49:31

would've been okay with that. Yeah. Sure.

49:33

It's called Zion, you know, I don't know. Anyway.

49:36

The mech suits versus like

49:39

tentacle, flying tentacle robots,

49:41

like, there are cool images

49:43

in that within the sequence. It just gets

49:45

so drowned out because it goes on for

49:47

so long. And like, there's not a lot

49:49

of different stuff that

49:51

happens. It's just more tentacle

49:53

monsters swarming and being shot.

49:55

Yeah. It goes on for, it feels

49:57

like it goes on for 17 hours. It's probably-

50:00

But it really is probably like cutting

50:02

between this and the kind of the

50:04

hammer spaceship trying to outrun the sentinels that are chasing

50:06

it probably goes on for at least 35 minutes. Well,

50:09

it's been fun. It's like initially

50:11

the human the like mech suits actually

50:13

were like beating the sentinels and then

50:15

the sentinels had to like bring in

50:17

some kind of like super sentinel or

50:19

like a Nimrod or something something that

50:21

escalates it. Yeah, but instead they have

50:23

these big drilling machines and they shoot

50:25

those and blow them up and then

50:27

and Z the woman

50:29

who really didn't take my bait to

50:31

talk about Nimrod and the super sentinels.

50:33

I talked about that. Okay, if you

50:35

want to. All right. So

50:37

let's talk about if these were the X-Men sentinels that were coming through one,

50:40

they would be using their hands to pull open the hole

50:42

that the drilling machine already cool. If it's Nimrod, you

50:44

know that they have the power to shape shift into

50:46

a blue collar. What was the a steel worker or

50:48

something like that or a guy who works on the

50:51

docks and lives with the family for some reason. Then

50:53

you know Rachel Summers is going to get in there. But which Rachel

50:55

Summers is it? The hero or

50:58

is it the hound? You know who's working

51:00

for a have there's just so much. They're

51:02

going to have to open up a huge

51:04

perilous and in Zion. They'll go to the

51:07

each perilous Colossus becomes a popular downtown New

51:09

York painter. The move the

51:11

comic book for a while kind of

51:13

forget to the superhero book. Yeah, I

51:15

found out for a moment and like

51:17

for more see any episode of cerebral.

51:20

Anyway, I mean, I mean, I know everybody loves X-Men

51:22

97. We

51:24

should be talking about. I just started watching it. It's a

51:26

fun show. The animation looks great in it for

51:28

the most part, but I just started watching it. I'm in the

51:31

second episode and they're like Magneto is being put Magneto.

51:33

You're being arrested for your trial and I'm like, oh, so maybe this

51:35

the story of the next couple episodes is the

51:37

lead up to his trial and then he's going to have the

51:40

trial. We're going to build up to it next scene. He's on

51:42

trial. I'm like, wow, they're moving past on this show.

51:44

This is done in one episode. Wow. Anyway,

51:47

so there's a big drilling machine. It

51:50

opens up a hole. It's a big drilling machine.

51:52

It opens up a hole. Sentinels

51:55

pour through blast blast blast the

51:57

command commander Mafuni shouts knuckle up.

52:00

A lot and I don't know what knuckle up means.

52:02

What does that mean guys? Like stick your fingers into

52:04

the sentinels up to the knuckles. Like what does it

52:06

mean? Yeah, I Think

52:09

it's that you're supposed to make fists and then raise raise

52:11

your hands up in the sky I

52:14

get it and Z and

52:16

this friend of hers who I With

52:18

named Chara who maybe sees in the previous

52:20

ones also They managed to blast with a

52:23

big digging machine with a with a bazooka

52:25

or something But then there's another digging machine

52:27

this goes on forever Meanwhile, the hammer is trying

52:29

to escape a swarm of sentinels There's lots of

52:31

spinning and shooting and Jada Pinkett Smith saying stuff

52:33

like 80 degrees to starboard 40% on shields Come

52:37

on, come on And then and the commander whose job

52:39

is to say no and not believe in me being like oh She's

52:41

better at driving than I thought she'd be like

52:43

that kind of stuff cuz she's piloting the ship

52:45

and the sentinels tear off The radio antenna this

52:47

seems to be a problem that doesn't really

52:50

seem to play into anything. It doesn't matter Anyway, the

52:52

thing is the hammer when it gets there I can

52:54

set off an em people's that will stop the bots

52:57

But it will also shut down the

52:59

docks defenses and the humans are having trouble

53:02

opening the gate to get through and the

53:04

humans have to get the gate open for

53:06

the ship and Thankfully that team recruit in

53:08

his mid-20s is

53:10

able to get into one of the the

53:14

mix and shoot the chain holding the

53:16

gate shut I guess so that it

53:18

opens the And Z

53:21

helps defend the recruit she suddenly character

53:23

no no be crashes the hammer through

53:25

the gate They set off the EMP

53:27

and they shut down all the machines

53:29

and Zion's dock is now Machineless

53:31

and it's like oh they did it.

53:34

They saved the day link the guy

53:36

from the ship whose girlfriend is Z

53:38

They're reunited and I had

53:40

my notes say can't help but assume they were set

53:42

up in the last movie cuz Z is just kind

53:44

of dropped Into the movie suddenly with you know with

53:46

no introduction or buildup Anyway the

53:48

head of defense he's mad that EMP

53:50

it fried all their defenses Offered

53:54

up the city on a silver platter, and there's

53:56

a new swarm of robots. I'm the head of

53:58

defense you got rid of my I'm out of

54:00

a job. I went in my head of now nothing. I'm

54:05

just ahead and you don't want to mess with you don't mess with

54:07

the head or you'll be dead. You

54:09

know, thank you. They blow up

54:11

part of the part of Zion to stop the robots.

54:13

Anyway, let's get to Neil and Trinity.

54:15

The stars of the movie who we've barely seen

54:17

in this film on their way to machine city.

54:20

So he's guiding her as she pilots the ship.

54:23

Actually, that's all we see there in Zion.

54:25

Recon Zion. Now the sentence is you're building

54:27

something. I don't know what it is. The commander tells the

54:29

council that they all have to go to

54:31

the temple and they're going to make their

54:33

final stand against the machines there. Neil and

54:35

Trinity, they're getting attacked by the machine city's

54:37

defenses, but Neo blows them up with his

54:39

mind. Oh, but then more come. He's

54:42

kind of knocking down, sending his mind, but there's so

54:44

many of them guys. If the

54:46

machines are so like practical and

54:48

efficient, why did I have somebody

54:50

like giant flying robots? Cause like,

54:52

there's not that many humans around.

54:54

Like why do they need so

54:56

many defenses around? I mean, why does the US

54:59

need so much defense, man? Good point, Dan. Good

55:01

point. Chapo Trap has this a little bit. The

55:03

amount of money we spend on defense. I

55:06

mean, my tax is... You use properly. I don't

55:08

want that. You're the basic income. There's no reason to

55:10

do it. I mean, I agree with you. I

55:13

mean, I'm saying it as if I'm a crazy hippie,

55:15

but I also agree with you. But you do believe

55:17

that. I mean, yes, we all, but there's no reason

55:20

for the United States to build tanks. Nobody wants and

55:22

planes nobody wants. Although a lot of those armaments are

55:24

now being used by Ukraine. So maybe that buildup wasn't

55:26

such a bad thing, Dan. I

55:28

guess you never know the end of the story. I guess

55:31

you got me, man. I did. I

55:33

got you. Anyway, no, I agree. But

55:35

anyway, this is the... Maybe this is the heart of

55:38

what I think is the emptiness at the

55:40

center of the matrix, which is the

55:42

matrix is a computer program that

55:45

wants to destroy

55:47

humans or harness them as a source of

55:49

energy, right? Like why

55:53

does the matrix want... What is the matrix going to do

55:55

after it does that? Why does it exist and what's its

55:57

goal? Like if it's truly a

55:59

conscious thing... Then it has goals and

56:01

some kind of need even if that need assist

56:03

was programmed to do and what is it here?

56:05

Because I don't other than subjugate humanity and make

56:08

the world just be bad. I don't

56:10

understand I mean the matrix But

56:13

if it's amazing, well, you know the

56:15

machine mind that controls the matrix, okay,

56:17

but let's say these computer programs Succeed

56:20

in destroying humanity the machines win the machine

56:22

human war Then

56:24

what what did it what's what? They're out

56:26

of their batteries that wouldn't work. Anyways, but

56:29

no. No what I'm saying is why bother

56:31

like Why are they fighting the humans in

56:33

the first place? I mean, why is this

56:36

happening? That doesn't bother me because it's basically

56:38

that these are sentient machines machines

56:40

became sentient and then they have

56:42

the same desire just

56:44

to survive that Other

56:47

creatures do and it's like

56:49

they're really A

56:51

goal beyond that. Okay. Well humans have a

56:53

desire to survive and it means that sometimes

56:55

we fight wars over resources But it doesn't

56:57

mean that Every human is

57:00

constantly on a war footing, but also we have

57:02

desires beyond pure survival So if the machine what

57:04

does what is the machine's desire beyond? staying

57:07

alive staying alive staying alive like

57:09

what I'm saying, I don't think it has to have one

57:11

I Mean once it defeats the humans

57:13

was it do just sit around forever? I think it's

57:15

I guess I'm racing because I think it's making these

57:17

fucking fatty I

57:20

think it's maybe around because it's not a they would

57:22

have then they could finally read those books and stuff

57:25

Reads them and their computers. It takes them a moment

57:27

to read the book. But true that I

57:29

guess they're making that my points I think they're making the sentals because

57:31

they just got to do something. They need something

57:33

to do, you know That there's otherwise

57:35

it's just it's just a big machine

57:37

face that is like we need

57:39

nothing. Okay. What do you need nothing for? Oh It

57:43

was kind of a giant when the giant

57:46

Like robot ships came flying out to stop Neo

57:48

and they start shooting at him and like oh

57:50

shit They're shooting guns and stuff at him. No,

57:52

they're just shooting more sentinels It's

57:56

all sentinels, but maybe and this

57:58

is there's a Ascentient

58:00

being desire is more than than

58:02

just mere survival, right? Like but

58:04

survive like let's just go to

58:06

fucking Maslow's hierarchy of needs here

58:08

Yeah, they're stuck on like,

58:10

you know, the safety security stuff like

58:14

They're trying to control it so you can do I mean we

58:16

don't see what the robots do in their spare time Well, I

58:18

want to be a little bit of that even the humans that

58:20

we go Every now and then

58:22

yeah, I know rave what they want

58:25

And I think that's I think it's part of

58:27

the issue that if the machines are just a

58:29

program that has overstepped its bounds Then I buy

58:31

it But once the genes have a personality which

58:33

they kind of do at the end of the

58:35

movie then you're like what it's the same Way that

58:37

like Ultron the Avengers villain makes sense

58:40

to me when he is a robot whose programming

58:42

is all screwed up So he wants to he

58:44

wants to destroy humans, but the Ultron in the

58:46

Avengers movie who's a wisecracker I'm

58:48

like well once the robot can say sarcastic quips.

58:50

I have to assume there's more going on in

58:52

it than just destroy all humans In

58:55

that case he's just parroting what

58:57

his father taught him. I will say that's fair.

58:59

Yeah I will say Elliott that I

59:01

do think that the fact that they give

59:04

the machines these personalities opens the

59:06

door to the movie

59:08

ending the way it does which is like

59:11

each side recognizing the

59:14

others right to exist like trying to

59:16

figure out some way of both living

59:18

in harmony because they have at

59:20

that point made the Robots,

59:23

let's call them even though that's not what they are.

59:25

No, you know more human Yeah,

59:28

I think that's that's true, too But uh, so

59:30

anyway But the point is the only way to

59:32

escape them is to go up above

59:35

the electrostorm clouds That

59:37

were put in place that you know in the past and

59:39

that short thought all the sentinels and they get a brief

59:41

glimpse Of that beautiful blue sky

59:44

that's right above the clouds that no

59:46

human has seen an untold generations Baby

59:48

and Trinity's life. Oh, it's so beautiful

59:50

And then their ship crashes back down

59:53

because it's out of power and Trinity

59:55

suffers multiple impalings and tells neo

59:57

how much she loves them before she dies

59:59

and I think it

1:00:01

is hard for me to see these characters as being in love

1:00:04

I feel like that is the thing the movie fails

1:00:06

to communicate that they have Emotions for

1:00:08

each other because they're so focused on their

1:00:10

goals and they're so tough that they're so

1:00:12

tough Yeah, unemotional the whole time that I'm

1:00:14

like if they aren't it's I guess

1:00:16

it happens a lot with characters movies We're like other

1:00:18

than kissing and having sex I guess how do they

1:00:21

express this love to each other? Oh, we're watching each

1:00:23

other's backs in a fight But like the same way

1:00:25

that it's hard for me to imagine famous couples just

1:00:27

sitting watching TV and hanging out You know like a

1:00:29

regular couple does like what do they do? What do

1:00:31

these characters do in their spare time? I mean they

1:00:33

love each other, you know, I I

1:00:36

get it like I had a similar feeling

1:00:38

where I'm like, yeah, I don't know that

1:00:40

these two have the sort of

1:00:43

You know loved it for the ages that the

1:00:46

movie needs us to believe that they have I'm

1:00:48

not feeling that from them But

1:00:50

at the same time I also feel like well, I

1:00:52

look around at my friends who are in love I'm

1:00:54

not like wow the chemistry is off the charts like

1:00:56

I'm just like, oh, yeah But

1:01:00

these characters don't even seem to like each other there's I guess

1:01:02

they're so they're so constantly cool

1:01:04

constantly Yeah, like focused on the mission tough

1:01:07

that they don't even seem to like being

1:01:09

around each other very much There's no pleasure

1:01:11

from each other it seems so the the

1:01:13

Matrix movies It is a world and maybe

1:01:16

it's because it's a world of non-stop warfare

1:01:18

It is a world with a total lack of

1:01:21

pleasure aside from raves And that's

1:01:23

the only way that anyone seems to get any joy

1:01:25

out of the world. It's just raves I

1:01:27

mean, it's a Maslow's hierarchy of pleasures

1:01:29

raves is right at the top in what

1:01:31

raves and raves and battling in the matrix

1:01:33

Yeah, that's it. Yeah, so the percent nals

1:01:35

they pause it also we don't got there yet

1:01:37

Sorry, she dies and the

1:01:39

machines are getting deeper into Zion as neo walks

1:01:42

into the machine city which to him is made

1:01:44

out of lines of light these kind of lay

1:01:46

lines of light a latticework of light and a

1:01:48

Giant spiky robot eyeball that looks like I love

1:01:51

him It rides up and allows him to speak

1:01:53

his piece and all these sentinels come together to

1:01:55

make a big robot face that can Big big

1:01:57

face I can talk to him baby

1:02:00

face. It's really funny. And he says,

1:02:02

it's like the son from the Teletubbies,

1:02:04

but like

1:02:08

cyber, like the cyberpunk version of the

1:02:10

son from the Teletubbies. He

1:02:12

says, agent Smith is beyond the machine's

1:02:14

control, but Neo can see him in

1:02:16

exchange for peace between the humans and machines. And this is one

1:02:18

of the things where I'm like, okay,

1:02:21

so agent Smith, I guess is

1:02:23

the big bad guy. We've barely seen

1:02:25

him in this movie. We don't really know what he's doing.

1:02:28

Every time we see him, there's like a million of

1:02:30

them. So that's not barely. That's true. I guess considering

1:02:32

every time we see him, there's a thousand of him.

1:02:34

It's as if he's in a lot more scenes than he is,

1:02:36

but it's one of those things where it feels like it

1:02:39

almost felt like the movie had evolved beyond agent

1:02:41

Smith because he seems so little by

1:02:43

this point. And it seems like we're getting beyond him.

1:02:45

And when Neo's like agent Smith is going to take over

1:02:47

the matrix and then he'll take over all reality and destroy

1:02:49

it. And I'm like, well, agent Smith hasn't really given

1:02:51

me much meaning to see this

1:02:53

as a threat. Yeah. I mean,

1:02:55

I get what it's going for.

1:02:57

Because we've spent so much time shooting Sentinel bots with

1:03:00

mix, you know. Sure. I get

1:03:02

what it's going for. Like if he can endlessly

1:03:04

duplicate himself, he is essentially used the

1:03:06

computer virus in the matrix now.

1:03:09

And in a way, it's

1:03:12

kind of a smart screenwriting move. I feel

1:03:14

like in the sense that like the matrix,

1:03:16

the world that has been created, the matrix,

1:03:18

the robots, it's so powerful that

1:03:21

to shift it

1:03:23

to like, okay, well, there's an external threat.

1:03:25

This is how we can come

1:03:27

together because you need me. Like that

1:03:29

makes sense. It also feels like a

1:03:32

device because you're right. We haven't spent

1:03:34

so much time. Well, it

1:03:36

feels like speaking of machines and gods, it

1:03:38

feels like a deus ex machina that like,

1:03:40

rather than defeating the machines and rather than

1:03:42

taking the machines at their own level, there's

1:03:44

some thing that there's an outside threat. Exactly.

1:03:46

They can make peace about it. But it's

1:03:49

very weird because it's like it

1:03:51

feels like this is a story about Neo

1:03:54

and Agent Smith that for some reason

1:03:56

has taken a long detour into the

1:03:58

defense of Zion. It's like the

1:04:00

movie is there's two different movies going on. Maybe

1:04:03

that's my major problem with the movie There's two

1:04:05

different stories going on There's Neo's Ascendance as a

1:04:07

techno messiah and his fight with the virus agent

1:04:09

Smith and there is the defense of Zion against

1:04:13

waves of Sentinel robots and they don't really mesh

1:04:15

together Well, and the one that I'm more interested

1:04:17

in is the neo story and we get so

1:04:19

much less of that in this I feel like

1:04:21

if if they had made if they had spent

1:04:23

less time on the defensive Zion

1:04:25

and instead tried to show that like

1:04:28

People in Zion are like or

1:04:31

whatever going up in ships So like

1:04:33

log into the matrix to like rescue

1:04:35

people But it's getting harder and weirder

1:04:37

because there's so many agents Smith's around

1:04:40

like yeah, that was I mean that

1:04:42

was ostensibly one of their main Like

1:04:45

goals right was to like wake as many

1:04:47

people up in the matrix Yeah,

1:04:49

and I feel like when they're just trying

1:04:51

to defend themselves from sentinels. It's less interesting

1:04:53

It's much less that we're or tie those

1:04:56

stories together sign filled it up have the

1:04:58

two stories converge We're like mate. We've seen agent

1:05:00

Smith can take over a person's mind Maybe they've

1:05:02

woken someone else and they have agent Smith in

1:05:04

them and that's making it harder to defend Zion

1:05:06

Because you've got an agent Smith running around in

1:05:09

the meat world, you know Kind of what they

1:05:11

did with the Bane guy kind of what they

1:05:13

did with Bane But it never interact it never intersects

1:05:15

with that with that other Zion storyline,

1:05:17

you know And it feels like

1:05:19

you've got parallel tracks going on and it's

1:05:21

and it's very frustrating to me as a

1:05:23

as a viewer Who is not really interested

1:05:25

in watching max shoot? Central

1:05:28

robots for forever, you know a little bit that goes a

1:05:30

long way Anyway, as I

1:05:32

get older We've talked about this for one the

1:05:34

podcast as I get older certainly I'm less entertained

1:05:36

by scenes of shooting balls and

1:05:38

certainly the idea of bullet casings just piling

1:05:41

up around the feet of mech robots It's

1:05:43

like yeah, I could I only

1:05:45

really need to see maybe like four minutes of

1:05:47

that as opposed to 40 minutes of it You know

1:05:49

anyway, so they the

1:05:51

robots agree The sentinels pause

1:05:54

and they were assault on Zion and Morpheus

1:05:56

and I obey are like neo did it.

1:05:58

He is a god king And

1:06:00

the machines tendrils plug neo into

1:06:02

the matrix which has become overrun

1:06:05

with an endless army of agent Smith's But

1:06:07

just stand around in the rain. That's

1:06:09

all they do It's very rainy and they just stand

1:06:11

around in it. There's not a lot to do in

1:06:13

the matrix It seems like at least not right then

1:06:16

no, I mean it's like myth. There's

1:06:18

nothing everyone else. Yeah Yeah,

1:06:20

I mean they say hell is other people

1:06:22

But if you're agent Smith hell is just

1:06:24

hanging around with millions of yourself to stand

1:06:26

in there Oh that should be the

1:06:28

new phrase that should be the new saying that everybody

1:06:30

says yeah You should be like and

1:06:33

not one of us thought to bring an

1:06:35

umbrella and they raised an eyebrow at the

1:06:37

camera mr Anderson do you

1:06:39

have an umbrella? And so

1:06:41

neo shows up he confronts the one

1:06:44

main agent Smith Agent the

1:06:46

agent Smith's operate by ninja rules instead

1:06:48

of all swarming neo and killing him instantly

1:06:50

Hey, just the one of us last movie,

1:06:52

but there's so much more of them now Also

1:06:55

like there's like at this point all they do is

1:06:58

prime Yeah, this is

1:07:00

my friend that is this is the Smith that

1:07:02

took over the Oracle's body as yes later find

1:07:04

out Which one went to Washington? That's

1:07:06

a good question. That was not agent

1:07:08

Smith He wasn't there and they're flying around

1:07:10

and this is like Hugo weaving you're like,

1:07:12

I guess he would have been a pretty

1:07:14

good Sinestro, right? And

1:07:16

they're like blasting each other through buildings and

1:07:19

stuff and smashing into the ground I have

1:07:21

to admit the flying everywhere It's just it's

1:07:23

it feels like a this feels like a

1:07:25

retread this whole fight to me and it there's no

1:07:27

There's no structure to it. It's just kind of like

1:07:30

they're fighting and then they stop and they're fighting and

1:07:32

then they stop again There's one part where miss agent

1:07:34

Smith flies into a building and just kind of zooms

1:07:36

around in the air in a circle and it looks

1:07:38

so silly it's very funny and

1:07:42

Smith knocks neo down, but neo gets it. He

1:07:44

gets knocked down but he gets up again Nobody's

1:07:46

gonna keep him down. He gets to his feet

1:07:48

and Smith is like, why do you persist neo?

1:07:51

Why do you keep doing this? Why

1:07:53

love or this or freedom or peace

1:07:56

and neo goes because I choose to

1:07:58

and there's like a theme What

1:08:00

you choose to do in the consequences of the choice

1:08:03

and making the choices that kind of runs through the

1:08:05

movie But there's also a strain of prophecy that runs

1:08:07

through the movie and those it's hard to reconcile those

1:08:09

two things They punch each other a lot more it

1:08:11

feels to me. I maybe you guys so differently How

1:08:13

did you feel this fight it felt endless to me

1:08:15

and it felt anti-climactic to me. Yeah, I here's

1:08:19

Yes, I also from that one silly

1:08:21

moment where he flies around the room and he like

1:08:25

a balloon You

1:08:28

know that's the losing a helium there's nothing in

1:08:30

this fight that's as cool as Stuff

1:08:34

in like one or two you

1:08:36

know, it's also done in the

1:08:38

rain to make it as hard to watch as

1:08:40

possible and after

1:08:43

endless tentacle shooting

1:08:45

like I was just kind of done with

1:08:47

I Mean

1:08:50

like it's no matter movie Yeah,

1:08:53

I mean like look the Wachowskis really

1:08:55

know how to make a movie like the action

1:08:57

sequences are still like amazing compared to someone else

1:09:00

Doing this stuff, but but I found these

1:09:03

ones to be Numbing

1:09:05

because I just didn't care at this

1:09:07

point. Yeah, I would so much rather

1:09:09

be watching speed racer than this. Yeah

1:09:11

Yeah, where it's like movie. Yeah, it's

1:09:13

like just colors and crazy things And

1:09:15

yeah, so Smith docked that knocked down

1:09:17

neo again And he kind of

1:09:20

has deja vu and he quotes himself saying

1:09:22

But everything that was has been he has an end

1:09:24

and he's he gets frightened for some reason and he's

1:09:26

like it's a trick This is all a trick and

1:09:28

I if I think about it, I can probably figure

1:09:31

out why this was happening, but it was not Particularly

1:09:34

clear to me why he suddenly this is a

1:09:36

moment of weakness for him. What was going on.

1:09:38

Tell me so Smith

1:09:41

has absorbed neo, but like neo

1:09:43

still hooked up to these things

1:09:46

I think that they're essentially like frying Well,

1:09:49

he has a Smith. He has but he

1:09:51

hasn't absorbed neo yet at that.

1:09:53

Okay Well cuz he has like Oracle powers,

1:09:55

but I feel like he though he has

1:09:57

the powers he might not have the like

1:10:00

Confidence? Oh, you're saying like, oh, sorry. Where

1:10:02

he's like... So it's, he's, at that moment, the Oracle

1:10:04

is almost pushing through him. Like, he's saying it was

1:10:06

a trick that when the Oracle let him absorb her.

1:10:08

Okay, that makes sense. Because he punches Neo and he

1:10:10

turns Neo into a Smith, but in the

1:10:13

real world, Neo's all wiggling and there's light

1:10:15

bursting out of it and stuff, and the

1:10:17

Matrix, and in the Matrix, the new Agent

1:10:19

Smith that was Neo explodes, and all the

1:10:21

other Smiths explode, and Prime Smith explodes, and

1:10:23

it looks like they're... Like they're able to

1:10:25

isolate the code or something of Smith and

1:10:27

wipe them all out. It looks like

1:10:30

something out of the Keep, to be honest, the way that

1:10:32

energies is coming out of their eyes and mouths. I praise.

1:10:35

I didn't, I mean, The Keep has some cool stuff in it, but

1:10:37

it's, I don't think that's such a great movie either, but... In

1:10:40

the physical world, Neo gets detached, turns out, and

1:10:42

it seems he's dead, and the machine

1:10:44

mind goes, it is done, and then descends away,

1:10:46

and in Zion, the machines all go away, and

1:10:48

the young recruit runs over to the crowd and

1:10:51

goes, the war is over, as if he did

1:10:53

it, as if he was the one who did

1:10:55

it, and everyone cheers, and Morpheus, he's like, I

1:10:57

can't quite believe they have a... So you're saying,

1:11:01

so what have you done to this war

1:11:03

is over... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

1:11:06

yeah, I guess so, yeah. I

1:11:08

do like that the machines like carry Neo's

1:11:10

body away on a little beer, although part

1:11:12

of me would have preferred if they were

1:11:15

like, just shoveling the meat

1:11:17

into a pile, like uninterested. But

1:11:20

it's that when, it's that they elevate him on

1:11:22

this beer, and he kind of is born into

1:11:24

a sort of glowing lotus, you know, that

1:11:26

represents... A glottus. Yeah,

1:11:28

glottus, thank you. As it's known

1:11:31

in Buddhist literature, a glottus. Instead

1:11:34

of like dumping him into a like

1:11:36

a reclamation tank or something, where his

1:11:38

body's broken down, and it's fed into

1:11:40

the like the feeding

1:11:42

tubes of other human batteries. More

1:11:44

meat for the plate back on the menu tonight, boys. And

1:11:47

some like, some like dystopia of

1:11:49

human batteries, where humans are eating humans, like

1:11:51

it's the cover of a fucking cattle decapitation record.

1:11:55

I love it. This all sounds much better than

1:11:57

what we got. The matrix gets... rebooted

1:12:01

that little girl is still there with

1:12:03

the Oracle and the Oracle is on a

1:12:05

park bench and the architect comes over remember

1:12:07

this guy or that's like a yeah he's

1:12:09

like an evil Colonel Sanders and

1:12:12

they have this brief conversation real Colonel Sanders

1:12:14

who I'm sure was super cool chicken

1:12:20

chicken so or

1:12:22

substandard fried chicken anyway there's

1:12:24

that but yeah he dresses like a Confederate plantation

1:12:27

owner so he's probably pretty awesome yeah

1:12:31

and the architects they have one of these conversations where

1:12:33

it's you know how long do you think this piece

1:12:35

will last as long as it can thanks great can

1:12:38

we end the movie all of a

1:12:40

sudden and the Oracle tells the girl

1:12:42

I suspect we'll see Neo again someday

1:12:44

and she goes did you know this

1:12:46

would happen he goes no but I

1:12:49

believed and the sunrise the little girl

1:12:51

somehow makes the sunrise over Central Park

1:12:53

as a tribute to Neo and the

1:12:55

movies over the

1:12:57

movies over in a blaze of I don't care anymore

1:12:59

we do see him again part

1:13:01

four but some sort of resurrection

1:13:04

you guys were telling me the part four is

1:13:06

not that bad yeah I mean I

1:13:08

like it yeah I would say the

1:13:10

action sequences are not as exciting as the

1:13:12

rest of the series but the I

1:13:15

think the the other stuff is really story

1:13:17

I felt was way more focused and interesting

1:13:20

then yeah yeah and it stays more human

1:13:22

scale which is what I was missing on

1:13:24

this one yeah and this one you

1:13:27

mean you didn't like the human the scale

1:13:29

of giant mechs shooting floating flying robot

1:13:31

and also those sentinel robots I always forget how big

1:13:34

they're supposed to be because you usually see them from

1:13:36

far away so I think they're like six feet long

1:13:38

but they're really like 20 30 feet it's like there

1:13:40

are a lot of dinosaurs

1:13:42

where I'm like yeah that dinosaurs about 10 feet long

1:13:45

and it turns out it's 40 feet long and I'm

1:13:47

like these answers are much bigger than I realized dinosaurs

1:13:50

you wish you knew I'm not telling anybody

1:13:53

so scientists can't come and see all the

1:13:55

land developers lost world yeah Okay,

1:14:01

let's do our final judgments, whether this is

1:14:03

a good bad movie, a bad bad movie,

1:14:06

or a movie we kind of like, you

1:14:08

know, after all this, look, I

1:14:10

still kind of like this movie. It's

1:14:13

a work of, you know,

1:14:16

more personal, well,

1:14:19

like, you know, for blockbusters, like,

1:14:21

you know, the Matrix movies feels

1:14:23

more interesting and personal than

1:14:25

most. But

1:14:29

I do find it really boring

1:14:31

for huge swaths of it, especially

1:14:33

compared to the other ones. And

1:14:37

I also, I, geez, I spaced

1:14:41

out. If

1:14:43

you guys go and if I think of what I wanted

1:14:45

to say, I'll... Sure. I'm going to

1:14:47

say, I think this fills the

1:14:49

space between kind of

1:14:51

a bad, bad movie and a movie I kind of like.

1:14:53

I don't think it is good, bad. I don't think it

1:14:56

is fun to laugh at or goof on. I

1:14:58

think some of it works and some of it doesn't. I

1:15:01

like it more now than I did when

1:15:03

it first came out, which I

1:15:06

think part of it is that as an adult,

1:15:08

I am learning to, I'm much

1:15:11

more interested in, like,

1:15:13

earnest entertainment. It

1:15:16

is earnest. It's not ironic, which is funny

1:15:18

because the Matrix... I was so expecting you

1:15:20

guys to do some Jim Varney bits on

1:15:22

me. I set it up so easy. Being

1:15:24

earnest. So I was going a little more

1:15:26

high-brow than the... Yeah, I was thinking about Ernst Lubitsch. Yeah.

1:15:29

But I... Okay, because

1:15:31

the Matrix goes to camp. Anyway, so we

1:15:33

did that. So... Yeah, so

1:15:35

I learned that, like... For a movie that is,

1:15:37

like, so intense on being cool, it does not feel

1:15:39

ironic. It doesn't feel ironic or cynical,

1:15:42

which is refreshing. Yeah. Yeah,

1:15:44

and it's cool to like stuff, guys. Do you know

1:15:46

that? It's cool to like stuff. I

1:15:48

mean, I do like that it's not a quippy

1:15:50

movie. There's not a level of irony between you

1:15:52

and the film. But this is... For

1:15:54

me, I agree with you, Stu. That's kind of the ranking

1:15:57

where I put it, except I really didn't like it. And

1:15:59

it feels like... What Dan was saying about

1:16:01

the move the Matrix movie is feeling personal for

1:16:03

the Wieckowski's and it feels like the first two

1:16:05

feel Personal to me and this one feels like

1:16:08

I Wouldn't be surprised if

1:16:10

I was found out later This is the movie where

1:16:12

the studio took it away from them and they weren't

1:16:14

really involved in it It feels like it feels like

1:16:16

someone else trying to make a Matrix movie, you know

1:16:20

Yeah, I have no idea about that. But I mean I it

1:16:23

could have been I mean I would pressure to

1:16:25

like wrap it up You know,

1:16:27

it might be that I mean I would be

1:16:29

surprised if after two huge blockbusters the studio said

1:16:32

we're taking this away from you But maybe there

1:16:34

was maybe there was pressure on them to have

1:16:36

like a wrap-up conclusion ending and I feel like

1:16:38

he was There was certainly under a time crunch,

1:16:41

right? Yeah, I do release relatively short. Yes,

1:16:43

true It's always

1:16:45

a mistake to announce the release date of your

1:16:47

movie before you've made it don't do that I

1:16:50

remember what I was gonna say before was just that like, you

1:16:53

know in the course of this I feel like I've said a lot

1:16:55

of like very nitpicky things about

1:16:57

the workings of this world or whatever

1:16:59

And like the thing is to be

1:17:01

honest if the movie

1:17:03

was working I Wouldn't

1:17:05

think about any of that stuff

1:17:08

or I would have my more frequent attitude

1:17:10

of yeah, but it's a movie like that's part of Yeah,

1:17:12

maybe old man. Just hey check your brain

1:17:15

at the door. No No, not

1:17:17

checking the door The

1:17:19

willing suspicion of disbelief and there's also

1:17:21

like the willingness to take a narrative

1:17:24

you know at its word like to go with you

1:17:27

know where it wants to go but the

1:17:30

more that something Isn't sort

1:17:32

of I don't know It's

1:17:36

purest sense just entertaining or feels like

1:17:38

it's working narratively But the

1:17:40

easier it is to start picking these knits. Well, you

1:17:42

are if you are Captured

1:17:45

by the characters and captivated by the

1:17:47

the feeling of the movie Then it

1:17:49

doesn't really matter if the plot holds

1:17:51

together super tightly or if the logic of the

1:17:54

world is super tight Like it doesn't matter because

1:17:56

it's because it's affecting you. It's casting its spell

1:17:58

on you but when And it's a movie

1:18:00

like this where the characters feel kind of like you're

1:18:03

not engaging with them and the things they're

1:18:05

doing are not captivating you or surprising you

1:18:08

or enthralling you. Then it's a lot easier

1:18:10

to get caught up in the nuts and

1:18:12

bolts and how they don't connect fully. There's

1:18:16

so many movies where people are like, what about this

1:18:18

loophole? And I'm like, I mean, I

1:18:20

don't care because I'm having fun the whole time I'm

1:18:22

watching the movie or because I'm falling in love with

1:18:24

these characters or whatever. It doesn't matter to me that

1:18:26

it's not a tight, tightly

1:18:28

constructed puzzle box, but this

1:18:31

one, it kind of fails on that first level. Actually,

1:18:36

I'll put it this way. After my dad and

1:18:38

I walked out of the first Matrix, he did

1:18:40

not really understand the mechanics of what he

1:18:42

had been watching, but he knew he had seen something cool. He

1:18:45

was like, that was a cool movie. I just didn't

1:18:48

understand it. And this is not a – this movie

1:18:50

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why don't we take a couple letters

1:24:55

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1:24:58

Like you, the listener. I

1:25:00

will take them. Take them to the

1:25:02

river. Don't drop them

1:25:04

in the water. Now

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that letter's wet now. It's

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ink is running, can't read it.

1:25:12

Take that letter out. Billy

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Big Mouth Bass with Elliot. Hang it

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on a clothesline. So that I can

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buy it. Let it get dry. So

1:25:23

we can read the letters. Oh,

1:25:25

okay, cool. The

1:25:28

words are kinda runny. I

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think it says, dear floaters, but

1:25:33

it's probably floppers. Like I

1:25:36

said, that's pretty runny. What

1:25:38

does it really say, Dan? I don't like this

1:25:41

at all. This is from Samantha

1:25:43

Lasting with Held, who writes, hello from Mexico,

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I've been listening. Samantha who? Perfect.

1:25:50

Show, that was a show everybody. Perfect show for

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those who remember that show. That was not, oh

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no. Those unlike me who remember that show. Hello

1:25:58

from Mexico. I've been listening

1:26:01

to the podcast for years now, and

1:26:03

just the other day I saw Tubi was available on

1:26:05

my Amazon stick, so I thought I would try it

1:26:07

out after hearing about it

1:26:09

in your podcast. Tubi, it's time you

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sponsor the flophouse. It certainly is, Tubi.

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I was happy to see they had Whose

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fondly from my teenage years. Imagine

1:26:21

my surprise when I realized Tubi didn't have the

1:26:23

episodes with Drew Carey as a host, but even

1:26:25

older episodes from when the show was shot in

1:26:28

England in the early 90s. It

1:26:30

makes me feel very old that the show that

1:26:32

she watched as a teenager was the Drew Carey

1:26:34

version, and not the Clive Anderson, British version that

1:26:36

I watched as a teenager. Yeah, it was all

1:26:38

over comedy. It's on Comedy Central all

1:26:41

the time, yeah. It's where I first was introduced to the

1:26:43

comedy of great props, and

1:26:45

I never looked back. You're

1:26:48

married now. Have you ever... Yeah,

1:26:50

me and the proofster, yeah. Have you ever

1:26:53

discovered older episodes or older versions of media

1:26:55

that you like? Maybe discovering a

1:26:57

movie you like is actually a remake of a

1:26:59

much older one, Samantha Last Name With Held. Part

1:27:02

of the reason I wanted

1:27:05

to do this, because

1:27:07

something jumped to my mind right away,

1:27:09

which was my dad, who was a big... How

1:27:14

your dad is a remake of his dad? Oh, yeah,

1:27:16

I mean, kind of, that's how it works. Did

1:27:19

you have the same name? And

1:27:22

when you were born, he did devour

1:27:24

you, and then

1:27:27

your mom had to trick him into devouring

1:27:29

his stone, too, just to get him to

1:27:31

barf you up. We all think that the

1:27:33

pictures in the McCoy photo album of his

1:27:35

dad being handed the stone in Dan's swaddling

1:27:37

clothes. Anyway,

1:27:40

like many people

1:27:42

who were alive during

1:27:45

the 80s, he had a fondness for

1:27:47

Mr. Burt Reynolds. Sure, yeah.

1:27:49

So my first encounter

1:27:51

with the

1:27:56

front page slash His Girl Friday

1:27:58

whole thing was... through

1:28:00

switching channels a movie by

1:28:03

Ted Kocha who did First

1:28:06

blood wake in fright and also we can

1:28:08

at Bernie's a man with a very strange

1:28:11

Checker directorial career. He did this remake.

1:28:13

I mean right and we can get

1:28:15

Bernie's they're kind of two sides same

1:28:17

coin in some way that's true but

1:28:21

this is a version of his girl Friday, which

1:28:23

is itself a rewritten

1:28:25

version of the front page

1:28:27

but and it's Set

1:28:30

in the modern world of cable

1:28:33

news and it's got Bert Reynolds

1:28:35

got Kathleen Turner

1:28:37

Christopher Reeves is in the Ralph

1:28:40

Bellamy role and You

1:28:43

look I it

1:28:45

does not have a great reputation I think mostly

1:28:47

because it's not his real Friday, but it's kind

1:28:49

of fun. It's a funny Movie

1:28:53

like the stars are all charming But

1:28:56

I saw that way before I ever saw his real Friday and

1:28:58

I'm like, oh This

1:29:00

is a remake of that like and

1:29:03

I don't think most people even

1:29:05

remember that switching channels exist today Do

1:29:09

you check it out on to be yeah, I do have something I

1:29:12

am the I'm like the perfect age

1:29:14

to Have loved

1:29:17

the soundtrack for the movie

1:29:19

the crow anybody remember the

1:29:21

crow soundtrack Was

1:29:23

attached to the movie the crow back in the 90s I

1:29:27

get it. Yeah Right.

1:29:30

Yeah, and when you watch the movie they'd play

1:29:33

at least some of the songs that are on

1:29:35

that soundtrack Some of them are just kind of

1:29:37

like sometimes very yeah, sometimes very few often

1:29:40

Track is better than the movie itself. That's

1:29:42

right Often it would say music from and

1:29:44

inspired by the need to put out a

1:29:46

soundtrack for and then the movie Yeah, uh-huh

1:29:49

and so and the 90s had some had

1:29:51

some good one I mean there's I remember

1:29:53

so when everyone I knew seemed to own

1:29:55

the Empire Records soundtrack But I really movie

1:29:57

about records, right? I

1:30:00

really like the movie that much. Oh, okay,

1:30:02

yeah. So the Crow, there

1:30:04

is a song on there by Nine Inch Nails, which

1:30:08

I found out later, the song is Dead Souls. And

1:30:11

I remember being like, man, damn, this song rocks.

1:30:13

And it wasn't until a few years later that

1:30:15

I found out that it was a cover of

1:30:17

a Joy Division song. And it

1:30:20

kind of pushed me into exploring more

1:30:22

music by Joy Division and

1:30:24

then movies like 24 Hour Party People. And

1:30:27

it's just good stuff. It's

1:30:29

just good stuff all the way down. That's

1:30:31

happened to me a bunch of times with songs, where I

1:30:33

don't realize something is a cover until later. But

1:30:36

with movies, I think the biggest shock for

1:30:38

me was when as a young person, I

1:30:40

discovered that Brewster's Millions is not just a

1:30:42

remake, but like a remake of a remake.

1:30:44

And that- It made like seven or eight times,

1:30:47

right? The first movie version, I mean, go back

1:30:49

to a story, but the first movie version of

1:30:51

it was a silent film. It was in the

1:30:53

20s. And just the idea that Brewster's Millions is

1:30:55

this, is I guess one of the eternal- Time

1:30:58

of tale, yeah. Eternal stories that reverberates through human

1:31:00

consciousness. But I actually had a,

1:31:02

not exactly the same scenario, but

1:31:04

a similar scenario. Wait, you were

1:31:06

in Brewster's Millions scenario? Yeah, exactly.

1:31:08

Yeah, I had to spend $10

1:31:11

or else someone would realize I had stolen $10

1:31:13

from them. For a movie that is

1:31:15

not that good,

1:31:17

like it got played so much on

1:31:20

television when we were younger, that

1:31:22

I feel like even now as

1:31:24

a cultural reference, like people RAs, people are

1:31:26

like, oh, it's like a Brewster's Millions scenario.

1:31:28

Like everyone will know exactly what you're talking

1:31:30

about. But it's one of those movies that

1:31:33

was on all the time we were kids and now no

1:31:35

one watches it. Exactly, yeah. So the next generation will not

1:31:37

know what that means for the most, oh no, not at

1:31:40

all. Oh no, not at all. Thank God, yeah, hopefully it'll

1:31:42

die out until they do a remake starring, I don't know,

1:31:44

like Zac Efron or something? Yeah,

1:31:46

probably. Or like, they'll do a, they'll do,

1:31:48

it'll be like a- It's

1:31:51

a comedy. It's gonna be Zac Efron. Okay, it'll be.

1:31:53

But in the world of the- You like that comedy,

1:31:55

The Iron Claw? The

1:31:58

world of crypto today. What family did happen? Yeah,

1:32:00

we called Bruce's crypto and like we've got a we got

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to spend this money before it drops in value That's

1:32:06

amazing There's a great plot. That's the great

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plot. We should pitch that so

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but to experience that kind of this There's a

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movie called kill a Japanese samurai movie that I

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love and there's a Japanese samurai movie called three

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outlaw samurai And I saw kill before three outlaw

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samurai and there's a whole sequence and kill that

1:32:21

is a parody of Three

1:32:23

outlaw samurai and I didn't realize that until I watched it

1:32:25

I was like wait a minute Have I

1:32:27

seen this movie before and it felt as if

1:32:30

the character from kill had stepped into this other

1:32:32

movie and messed around with it Once I knew

1:32:34

that it was a it was it was taken

1:32:37

another movie But just like

1:32:39

that's baseballs and aliens thing. I

1:32:41

saw space balls alien Oh,

1:32:43

yeah, and there's there's the whole bit with

1:32:46

the xenomorph and no I for a second.

1:32:48

I thought that was one movie

1:32:53

But I so I always call me it's my

1:32:55

idea of usually TM in some ways I

1:32:57

had kind of the reverse of experience because you

1:33:00

know the movie Scarlet Street the Fritz Lang movie

1:33:02

with energy Robinson So I am familiar with

1:33:04

his existence. Okay, so I knew that that was

1:33:06

a remake I've seen that movie and I'm familiar

1:33:08

with it I knew that was a remake of

1:33:11

Renoir's movie Lushy n the bitch But

1:33:13

I had not seen Lushy n until last night

1:33:16

I watched it and I was like, oh I

1:33:18

knew this was a remake but I didn't know I

1:33:20

didn't I knew Lushy n was the original

1:33:22

But I didn't know how closely the story

1:33:24

stuck in Scarlet Street but also how different the

1:33:26

tone of it is and so it was

1:33:28

crazy to see a movie that I had thought

1:33:31

of as the original version of a story

1:33:33

and see that it feels so different because it's

1:33:35

not Fritz Lang making it making it it's

1:33:37

General more movie making it and so you

1:33:40

walk away from it feeling something completely different about

1:33:42

the same storyline And so it was almost like

1:33:44

I appreciated more Both what a

1:33:46

remake Scarlet Street was and how different it was as a remake

1:33:49

and I thought that was a really cool feeling When

1:33:51

I saw a sorcerer for the first time I had never

1:33:53

seen wages of fear But somebody had described the plot to

1:33:55

me and I think it was one of you guys And

1:33:58

so what I'm what in the theater watching I'm like, damn,

1:34:00

I think I know this thing. Am

1:34:03

I just really good at anticipating movies?

1:34:06

Yeah. I

1:34:08

feel like I can see the future, but only when

1:34:10

it comes to sorcerer. Am I really good at movies?

1:34:12

Yeah. This other letter

1:34:14

is from Doug Lasting with Held, who

1:34:17

writes, what's up peaches?

1:34:19

I was going through my SoundCloud

1:34:21

account and clearing out some old

1:34:24

stuff to make way for new things. When I

1:34:26

came across a song I recorded for the flophouse.

1:34:29

It's a letter to the show regarding

1:34:31

episode 199, Jim

1:34:33

and the Holograms from 2016. I

1:34:35

don't remember if I ever emailed you about it at the time.

1:34:38

Anyway, here it is. I don't think so, because I don't think

1:34:40

I heard it. And Doug

1:34:42

says, enjoy it, play it in the show if you want, and

1:34:44

keep on flopping in the free world. You

1:34:46

can download it straight from the SoundCloud page.

1:34:51

And so I did download

1:34:53

this. We'll put this at the end of the

1:34:55

episode. The

1:34:57

question itself was about what

1:35:00

we would like to be made into

1:35:02

a musical, which we've answered, I think more than once

1:35:04

on the show. So we don't need to address it,

1:35:06

but I liked the song so much. But

1:35:08

I did want to give it its moment in

1:35:10

the sun, because Elliot's given us so

1:35:13

many letter songs. Why shouldn't the letter?

1:35:15

Oh yeah, he gave a song back.

1:35:17

Oh yeah. A

1:35:19

charitable giver, Elliot. He's given. He

1:35:23

gives so much. He gives so much

1:35:25

to him. I've been giving and it's time

1:35:27

to start taking. Let's

1:35:32

do our last segment, which is to recommend

1:35:34

a movie that we saw. Yeah, let's do

1:35:36

it. Recently that we

1:35:39

might. I'm gonna go first, because

1:35:41

it's thematically tied in with The

1:35:43

Matrix. Last night I went

1:35:46

and saw, I saw the TV Glow, which

1:35:48

is also a movie about, I mean, on

1:35:50

its surface. You didn't see the TV show,

1:35:52

Glow. I did, but

1:35:55

that's not what I saw last night. So I saw the

1:35:57

movie, I saw the TV Glow, and

1:35:59

it is on the. on a service level, it is

1:36:01

about a kind

1:36:03

of a weird young kid who

1:36:05

meets another weird young woman

1:36:07

and they start watching, they

1:36:10

become fans of this like

1:36:13

weird TV show together. And

1:36:15

it is set in like

1:36:17

the nineties in suburbia and it's very

1:36:19

lonely and they bond over this and

1:36:21

then they kind of go their separate

1:36:23

ways and reconnect. But

1:36:25

it is, it's so much a

1:36:28

movie about, it captures

1:36:30

like the loneliness of the suburbs in a

1:36:32

way that very few movies can do. And

1:36:36

it also touches on that idea

1:36:38

of feeling that there is something

1:36:40

wrong in the world and you don't know, either

1:36:42

there's something wrong with you or there's something wrong

1:36:45

in the world and you don't know how to

1:36:47

fix it. And you kind of

1:36:49

latch onto something that you connect with and,

1:36:52

but you don't know kind

1:36:54

of how to interact with the world anymore. And

1:36:59

it managed like, it is such a like bone deep sad movie

1:37:05

that is like, I don't know,

1:37:07

I just like, for the

1:37:09

whole most of the movie, I just felt this

1:37:11

like deep ache and it, yeah,

1:37:15

it's amazing,

1:37:17

it's another great movie this

1:37:19

year and a year

1:37:21

already filled with many great movies. But yeah,

1:37:25

this is a movie that I haven't had a movie

1:37:30

make me feel this way, if not

1:37:32

in a long time or ever. So it

1:37:35

was great. And then getting that

1:37:37

feeling again from Matrix Revolution must have been really strange.

1:37:39

Well, that's the thing, like part of me, I'm like,

1:37:42

I had kind of enough of an idea what

1:37:44

this movie was gonna be about, that I'm like,

1:37:46

I really wanna watch this before

1:37:49

watching the Matrix again. Yeah.

1:37:52

Yeah. I

1:37:55

would like to, I teased in a

1:37:57

previous episode that I was going to

1:37:59

see. I see hundreds of beavers. I've now seen

1:38:01

hundreds of beavers, not in person. I haven't seen

1:38:04

hundreds of beavers in person. I've seen, you know,

1:38:06

maybe. I mean, we're talking about movies, not just

1:38:08

things we see in the world. I think for

1:38:10

context, people can understand that the movie called hundreds

1:38:12

of beavers. I know that mine was slightly complicated

1:38:14

because it did say, I saw the TV glow,

1:38:16

and that got very confused. You have seen the

1:38:19

TV glow, but also you saw, I saw

1:38:21

the TV glow. Yeah,

1:38:24

it's a lot of fun. It's

1:38:27

a movie that's kind of like if

1:38:30

Guy Madden, along with like silent

1:38:33

movies, watched a bunch of Looney

1:38:36

Tunes cartoons, and also