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What's going on . It's American Mike with Backdown

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Productions . Mike , I just want to take

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the opportunity to thank you for letting me share

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this with your listeners . On June

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29th , from 11 am to 7

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pm , we are hosting

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a fundraiser for Echo Farms

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Hunting Club out in Henryville

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, pennsylvania . Tickets are $25

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for adults and $15

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for youths . If anyone is interested

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in attending this fundraiser , please

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feel free to hit me up , hit Mike

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up , contact any one of us and

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we will get tickets mailed out to you . Tickets will

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no longer be on sale after

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June 15th . From there

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it will be the gate fee only of $30 . Kids price remains the

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same . At the fundraiser it will be the gate fee only of $30 . Kids

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price remains the same . At the fundraiser

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it'll be food and

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drinks and kids entertainment

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. We're gonna have a bouncy house , popcorn

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machine , cotton candy machine , bunch

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of games set up for the kids . So

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it's a family-friendly event

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. It's not just for hunters . We

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have an archery competition going on . We

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have first , second and third place trophies

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. We got a bunch of raffle prizes

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being donated from certain companies

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. We have a lot set up

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and a lot planned and I would

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greatly appreciate all of the support

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I can get towards this event , whether

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you can make it or not . We are accepting

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donations , whether you want to donate

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cash directly to the event

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or something to raffle

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off for a prize .

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Any and everything is appreciated and thank you very much . Welcome back to the garden state

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outdoors and podcast presented by boondocks hunting . I'm your host , mikero , and today we have Brandon

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Remy , aka known as Ridge Runner Tallow Company on

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Instagram . Welcome to the show

2:10

.

2:12

Thank you for having me . I appreciate it .

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Yeah , no problem , you know , before

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we start and everything like that , I need to

2:18

know where did you get this idea to

2:22

use tallow to

2:25

start making products ?

2:28

yeah . So I mean , it's honestly , it's nothing new . It's

2:30

something that we you know , us as human beings

2:32

have been doing for hundreds of years . Um

2:35

, it's just , I

2:37

would say , within the last like maybe 50 to 100

2:39

years is something that we that we've kind of

2:41

stopped doing . Um , you

2:44

know , sure , on Instagram beef

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towel is this big up and

2:48

coming quote , unquote thing , but

2:50

really it's how we originally started to fry

2:52

foods . Mcdonald's used to make beef towel

2:55

fries . There are

2:57

some places that still do so

2:59

. It's kind of , like I said , it's really nothing

3:01

that I invented , like I'm not , I'm

3:03

just kind of just bringing it back up . Really , um

3:06

, but how I got the idea of using a towel

3:08

was was through hunting . So clearly

3:11

, obviously , I'm a big hunter and a

3:13

fisherman . So , um , here on

3:15

the Island we're very fortunate uh

3:17

, on Long Island , we're fortunate to have a

3:20

very big population of deer , um

3:22

, and I butcher all my own

3:24

deer and I butcher a couple . You know some

3:26

of my friends and family's deer also . So

3:29

I have a lot of deer

3:31

fat and you know skin and stuff to

3:33

use , like I try and make

3:35

it . So I use everything of the deer and

3:38

then anything that I don't use , you

3:40

know , for food or whatever . It either

3:42

goes now it goes to my dog , uh

3:45

, or I had chickens in the past . It would go to the

3:47

chickens , um , or anything that I

3:49

can't really use it just goes into the compost

3:51

pile . So it's not like I'm throwing stuff out

3:53

, like you know , discarding it that way , so it's all

3:55

kind of getting used somewhat , um

3:58

, but I just didn't want to throw things out into the compost

4:00

pile , like if they had other uses

4:02

, um . So the

4:05

deer fat was like one of the main things that I was throwing

4:07

out , um , especially in the later season , you

4:09

know , they get like especially upstate , like

4:11

I hunt , I rifle hunt , like one weekend , three

4:13

weekends of the year , and if I'm lucky enough to shoot

4:16

something like I come home and it has like a good

4:18

two inch layer of fat , especially around like

4:20

the back , you know like tail area

4:22

. So , uh , I just basically

4:24

didn't want to like throw things out

4:26

, you know , just throw it into the compost pile and

4:28

like let it become dirt , uh

4:31

. So that was kind of like where I figured out

4:33

like there has to be some other way to use this

4:35

. And then just you know , google , youtube

4:37

, uh , just like you know what to do

4:39

with with deer fat and then , um

4:42

, so basically , like

4:44

, I guess I'll go into kind of like how I make it

4:46

. Um , so , uh

4:48

, you know , I take the regular fat , like that

4:50

you would take off a deer or even like

4:52

a bear , a pig and any

4:54

kind of animal , uh , beef , lamb , uh

4:57

, I render it down , so slowly , cook

5:00

it , uh , just so it doesn't burn at like a

5:02

lower temperature . And then , uh

5:06

, so you can do one of two ways . You can do it cold

5:08

, uh , wet rendering , or dry

5:10

rendering . So dry rendering is basically

5:12

like how you bake in a pan , right

5:15

, you make it , fry it , and then all

5:17

that grease that's left over is like bacon

5:19

. You know , quote , unquote , lard they call

5:21

it , or tallow um

5:24

. So that would be your dry method . Just basically

5:26

, more or less cook it in a pan , let it cool down

5:28

and you have tallow um . How I

5:30

do it ? Because it gets rid of more of

5:33

the impurities and like the smell

5:35

and stuff . Um , I wet render

5:37

, so I do it in a crock pot . I take the fat

5:40

, put it in the pot with water and

5:42

sea salt , um , and then basically

5:44

I let that go , you know , overnight , next

5:46

day , I let it cool , um

5:49

, and then water and fat separate

5:51

and you have your tallow on top and then , you

5:53

know , nasty water down on the bottom , uh

5:57

, so that's how I kind of got into

5:59

hunting and , uh , you know , just I needed

6:01

a way to to use different things

6:03

. So I should also say that I'm

6:05

a personal trainer , strength coach , whatever you want to call

6:07

it on the side . So I

6:11

kind of also look at this as like a health

6:13

and wellness perspective . That's

6:16

kind of why I hunt in the first place is because I

6:19

provide myself with food . So

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now , what else can I do for myself with this

6:23

tool that I have , or this , uh , you

6:26

know , this animal that I can use ? Um

6:29

, so , through health and wellness , like you

6:31

know , I don't want to be putting like shit on

6:33

my body . Can I curse on ?

6:35

here , Sorry .

6:36

Yeah , you're good , you're good . We curse all the time , yep

6:40

.

6:40

I forgot . I was like , oh man , um , so

6:43

, yeah , so I don't want to be like putting crap on my body

6:45

that's

6:50

going to potentially harm it , you know , down the line . Um , so putting my two you

6:52

know , hunting and fitness together is kind of like how I came about , like using

6:54

tallow for my body .

6:58

Gotcha .

6:58

No .

6:59

And that's pretty cool , cause you you got to answer

7:01

or start talking about some of the topics

7:03

that that were running through my mind and

7:05

that makes complete sense . Like I think

7:07

Talo is starting to get back

7:09

up there in popularity , because now you're having

7:12

all these trends of of healthy

7:14

, you know eating habits

7:16

, what we're putting on our skin working

7:19

out . You look at the cold

7:21

baths , you know , I imagine , with you being , you

7:23

know , into fitness and everything like that and doing that

7:25

, like I know , I imagine you've done your research on

7:27

that too as well . Like I feel like right

7:29

now we're back in that that age

7:31

of everyone's cell , so

7:33

health conscious , and they're

7:36

trying to find every new way or

7:38

bring back old ways that they used to

7:40

be thinking you know something I love I'm

7:42

a huge person with with meat eater . That used to be

7:44

a thing . And you know something

7:46

I love I'm a huge person with meat eater and you know what he said is a lot

7:48

of the reasons why we have a lot of these problems is because back then , the Native Americans

7:51

, they used to use the whole deer , but

7:53

also they would eat everything , like

7:55

even the eyes , everything

7:57

it was being used in some

7:59

different way . And you know , the last

8:01

couple of years we've been hearing how healthy

8:05

it is but also the many things

8:08

that you can use just animal fat for , like

8:10

candles , like all

8:12

different types of stuff . I know you , you

8:14

, you have the bow string wax

8:16

as well and , and you

8:18

know you're probably going to be moving into other stuff too

8:20

. But

8:25

it's very beneficial if you can use literally every single part of the deer and that's

8:27

pretty cool and it's great that you know you're doing this , because

8:29

you know I think it's only going to get more

8:31

and more popular as the time goes yeah

8:35

, I mean hopefully like that's .

8:36

Yeah , I guess that's the end goal is for like , like

8:39

I mean , I'm not like trying to become rich

8:41

off of it , that's like it's really something

8:44

that I need , that I use myself . Like I came up

8:46

with this because I use it every day in my beard

8:48

, like I use it for chapstick , I use it

8:50

before the shower . You know that's really

8:52

why like ? Because I want to be able

8:55

to use it . You know , like I don't have to go to the store

8:57

and buy like literally spend money to put crap

8:59

on my body . Like what's the point of that ? You

9:01

know I can make stuff for

9:03

. I guess , quote , unquote , free , right . You know everyone says like

9:05

yeah , yeah you know all that

9:07

user like .

9:08

It's so cheap , right yeah

9:11

and you know the other thing

9:13

too is , like you said you're , you're also

9:15

a lot of these stuff are now coming out that these are

9:17

harmful chemicals and and destroy

9:19

our skin and our body and you know , produce

9:22

, you know possibly cancer and like all

9:24

these things . So it's like , okay , I'm

9:26

saving money and I'm also , you know

9:28

, saving , you know , my skin and my health and

9:31

like , why , why would I not if , if

9:33

you're able to do it , why

9:35

not ?

9:37

right , yeah , and like that's kind of what

9:39

this is is like for the people who can't do it . Like

9:41

you have ridge runner like ridge runner will

9:43

provide you , you know . So

9:45

one thing I should mention is like I don't use venison tallow

9:47

anymore , unfortunately , like you can't really

9:50

like legally sell that . Yeah

9:52

, I use

9:54

lamb tallow now , just because it's like

9:56

the most closely related to

9:58

venison as far as like

10:00

how it feels , like how it spreads in

10:02

on your skin and the

10:05

. The smell smells

10:07

like a big one , like I

10:10

used to use beef tallow , or

10:12

I tried in the beginning to mess around be

10:15

tallow . I like how it feels

10:17

, everything . It's just the smell . It literally smells

10:19

like like beefy , like , like

10:22

it's hard to describe , you know , yeah , but like

10:24

, so that was kind

10:26

of a , you know , a deterring factor

10:28

for a lot of people . Um , but like

10:30

the venison tallow , when I was using that , it's

10:32

like super clean , super white , like no

10:35

, like impurities and stuff

10:37

in it . Um , so I

10:39

don't know exactly what the difference

10:41

is , but whatever

10:43

is in the beef towel really makes it smell

10:46

like very strong . Uh

10:48

, so I don't mind using towel .

10:50

Um , it's , you know , it's , it's accessible

10:53

, I could have it all year and stuff like that I

10:55

I wonder you know , you think of

10:57

, you know , just a

11:00

giant cow or a bull or something like that

11:02

, and then you compare it to like a deer or something

11:04

like that . It's just like deer

11:07

just seems so much cleaner , and you know so much

11:09

you know healthier and you know not saying

11:11

like you know , I imagine , you know there

11:13

are , you know cows and everything out there that

11:15

you know if they're on that . You know natural

11:18

diet or whatever the case is

11:20

in there . You know farm raise and you , you know

11:22

, not living in a pen or whatever . You know

11:24

free range . It just imagine depends , but

11:26

you , you see they just they

11:29

don't . They still don't look like the cleanest of

11:31

of animals and they just so much more

11:33

muscle and fat

11:35

and you know so much more just

11:37

going on that maybe that's part of

11:39

the reason why it just has this different , different

11:42

smell . While you look at lamb and deer

11:44

, you know they're definitely more

11:46

of the , the leaner of the of the

11:48

species compared to you know , like a cow

11:50

or something , or a cattle , anything like that

11:52

. So maybe , maybe that's the reason , but

11:54

you know who knows . But it's , it's pretty

11:57

unique and I what'd

11:59

you ?

11:59

say it

12:01

could have something to do with it . Like I mean , like I said , I I

12:03

haven't . There's like tallow

12:06

, although it's an old thing , there's not like a

12:08

bunch of studies and , like you know , like people

12:10

don't write about tallow , so it's like it's kind of

12:12

hard to find things you know about

12:14

it . Um , so

12:16

yeah , I really don't . I couldn't even answer

12:18

like what the difference is . Uh

12:20

, I've been trying to look at it for myself

12:23

, you know , because I'm curious , because , like there , there's gotta be a different

12:25

, like chemical makeup or , like you

12:27

know , something has to be different . It's , it's clear as day one's

12:29

yellow , one's white .

12:30

You know why is that , yeah

12:32

, I would agree . And you know , if there's any scientists

12:35

or anything out there that that's listening and

12:37

want to give us the answer , like please reach

12:39

out to the both of us and give us that

12:41

answer . You know

12:43

, and it's the reason why because

12:45

I've looked up stuff too it's like , oh , like I would love

12:47

to sell , like you know , some deer products

12:50

and deer meat , and it becomes so

12:52

like fine

12:54

line of what you can do market

13:08

for people , to just start , I don't know , poaching or doing just like negative things , I

13:10

guess or over hunting or whatever the case is , like , whatever

13:12

the they decide in their decision . Like

13:15

I do understand , but it's also like , and

13:18

like this is such a great

13:20

useful tool that that we're using and

13:22

it's , you know , if you

13:24

know for you , you get to make your own and

13:26

probably use it on yourself , but you can't

13:28

, you can't sell it and you have to go , you

13:30

know you have to go get lamb or lamb

13:33

fat or however . You do it . But

13:35

, like man , it would be so great if

13:37

we could , or they , set

13:39

up a way where it's like , all right , maybe eventually

13:42

get your own deer farm and then you could do it whatever

13:44

the case is . But , um , you

13:46

know , to each is all and I guess I

13:48

understand why , why they do it , um

13:50

, but you know it'd be , it'd be still

13:52

pretty cool if you know they made it more accessible

13:55

yeah , for

13:57

sure I agree .

13:57

I mean , like I don't know , I kind of agree

13:59

with the reason why they do it , because it's you know

14:02

, it's kind of like the whole idea of like the bison and like how

14:04

we killed them all off and um

14:06

, but at the same time it's like

14:08

what's worse , like us killing

14:10

the deer or you

14:12

having factory farms and it's like now we

14:14

just have cows that are specifically raised

14:16

inhumanely for

14:18

us to eat , it's like . So

14:20

, you know , it's like kind of like what's worse , you know , yeah

14:22

, at least that's what now , what's worse , you know ?

14:24

Yeah , at least that's what I'm at it Now

14:26

normally say say you , you

14:28

, they were able to come out with a way where

14:30

you can sell it , um and stuff

14:32

like that , just through hunting laws Like how

14:35

much deer would you have to harvest

14:37

, or you know you have your friends help you , or whatever

14:39

the case is , how much typically would ? What

14:41

do you think you would need ?

14:43

on on

14:52

average to harvest a season worth of fat , I mean it's hard to say

14:54

because it's this is my first

14:56

year like selling it , so I don't know , you know how

14:58

well it's gonna do . But I mean , I guess it's kind of like anything else you

15:00

just sell until you're sold out . You know it's

15:02

like what farms do you know they don't really like

15:04

supplement their , their crops yeah

15:06

anything else . They

15:08

just , you know they sell until they're until it's gone

15:10

, and I guess you'd rather sell it until it's gone

15:13

and have a bunch of it left over and , you

15:15

know , have to , I guess , store

15:17

it or something yeah , yeah

15:19

, that makes sense I

15:22

mean it's like , but it's also . It's just one of those things

15:24

where , like , not a lot of people like if you go

15:26

, like if you get , if you drop your , do you butcher your

15:28

own deer or do you drop it off at a butcher ?

15:30

unfortunately I don't eventually I will , but I I

15:32

drop it off right now yeah

15:35

.

15:35

So when you get it back you don't get deer fat

15:37

, you know no . So it's like

15:39

it's something nobody

15:42

, almost nobody , wants , you know . So

15:44

it's very easy , like if I could , I could

15:46

go purchase it off like a butcher . You know

15:48

who just butchers hundreds of thousands

15:51

of deer a year you know

15:53

, so yeah , that's true , it

15:55

is available . Like , if I wanted

15:57

it , you know , because it , because it could

15:59

raise money for a butcher or you know , for you , you know I could

16:01

just put it out on instagram like , hey , I'm buying deer fat . Like let me you , you know , I could

16:03

just put it out on instagram like , hey , I'm buying deer fat

16:06

. Like let me know , you know , everybody

16:08

local just come and give me deer or

16:10

the deer fat , you know exactly so I guess it could

16:12

be done um

16:15

, and it wouldn't necessarily . It

16:20

wouldn't necessarily like push people to kill

16:22

deer just for the fat . You know what I'm saying ? I'm not giving

16:24

you like a hundred dollars . Of course you know it's

16:29

going to push people to really just kill deer all

16:32

the fat and like , leave everything else

16:34

you know , plus , I mean a lot

16:36

of the fat like , with the exception of , like , the

16:38

kidney fat , like they call it , suet like , which

16:50

is like what most people use .

16:51

But uh , for the venison I just use all the fat like anything , um , so I mean , you'd have to like fully

16:53

butcher it to get like all the fat out of there , you know . Okay

16:55

, no , that's that's pretty cool and and I like how you bring that up

16:57

, because I wasn't even thinking . I was like , yeah , you could just , you could

16:59

just go to the butcher and yeah , you have kind of like an

17:01

endless supply of of deer , deer fat

17:03

. Because really honestly , I've never thought

17:05

about it and I think I might start doing

17:07

it , just because I like cooking with fat . Like we use

17:09

bear fat to cook a lot

17:11

of the time and stuff like that . So we always ask the

17:13

butcher hey , can you know , can you

17:15

give us some fat ? And we'll just render it down . But

17:18

like you could do the same thing , you

17:20

know we like to cook with it

17:22

. So it's like , hey , you know what , can we get some

17:24

deer fat to cook and everything like

17:26

that ?

17:26

Why not just ask , because we asked for the bear , so

17:28

like why

17:37

not ask for the deer yeah , I mean deer fat it has . It's not like a bad flavor , but it's like

17:39

you know , it's one of those like gamey flavors , so like the fat really isn't

17:42

like the greatest to cook with um but

17:45

, you know anything's edible yeah

17:48

, no , I , I'd be interested to try . You

17:50

know , I always tell myself I'll try something , try

17:52

something once , um , but

17:55

I mean , it's not just , it's just

17:57

not as desirable as , say , like beef

17:59

tallow , you know well

18:01

, yeah , yeah , that that make and and

18:03

you know bear , I would say bear fat is it's

18:06

pretty good .

18:06

I don't know if you have had bear before

18:09

or anything like that . It's

18:11

, it's fun . You guys don't have bears over

18:13

there right now . I don't .

18:14

I don't think so we

18:17

have them upstate , we have black bear , okay

18:19

, but yeah yeah not yet not

18:22

, not on the island , um , you know

18:24

.

18:25

So now , before , before

18:28

we get back into talking about some you know , company

18:30

stuff and everything like that , you personally

18:32

, you know , give us

18:34

the backstory of how you got into hunting family

18:37

member . Did they get you in what ? What's your

18:39

, your backstory and family growing

18:41

up in the outdoors ?

18:45

uh , yeah , so I mean growing up like , I

18:47

always fished when I was younger , like my dad

18:49

he does , he works on boats and stuff

18:52

, so I've always , we've always had a

18:54

boat . Growing up I've always been on the water . I mean we

18:56

live on an island so I live

18:58

literally , you

19:00

know , between two big bodies of water so

19:02

I can go fishing any any

19:04

time of the day . Uh , so

19:07

I've always been like an outdoorsy person . I always

19:09

played outdoor sports , like soccer . So

19:13

, uh , as far as hunting

19:15

goes , I didn't get into hunting until

19:17

I was like almost like 13 or 14

19:19

. Um , my , it was

19:21

my brother's football coach at the time . He

19:24

got me and my dad both into hunting at the same

19:26

time and , uh , I

19:28

just literally fell over right

19:30

away . Um , I mean , here on long island , like

19:32

we can I say we can only bow

19:35

hunt . I mean we have a shotgun and muzzleloading

19:37

season , but it's like such a pain

19:39

in the ass to deal with , like you have to check in

19:41

and then they tell you like , oh , you can only hunt

19:44

this area , so it's like it's almost

19:46

worth , it's almost like not worth it to go

19:48

. Um , so

19:50

I mainly bow hunt , like I'll shotgun hunt

19:52

, maybe two or three times the entire year

19:54

, but I prefer bow any day

19:56

of the year yeah

20:00

, no , I agree with you .

20:01

Yeah , just like once .

20:01

I started going . Yeah

20:04

, yeah , the bow is the way to go , for sure , but

20:08

uh , yeah , once I I

20:10

mean once I was able to start driving and like going

20:12

myself , it was just like , you know , non-stop

20:14

. It was anytime I could like , if it was

20:16

, you know , before school or after

20:18

school or you know whatever like

20:20

even , even like

20:23

growing up . So I wrestled my whole life growing

20:25

up and um

20:27

, every year you need like

20:29

a certain amount of practices in high school to be able to wrestle

20:31

, like the first tournament , the first you know

20:33

, or any sport you know football . You need a

20:35

certain amount of practices to be able to play in the first game

20:37

. And every year I was

20:39

never able to wrestle in the first tournament of the year

20:41

because I would go away for hunting season and

20:44

I'd like

20:46

four or five practices . And , like I

20:48

think it might have been my junior year , my

20:50

coach came up to me . He's like yo , he's like you have to make decision

20:52

. Like do you like are you gonna hunt or do

20:54

you want to be good at wrestling ? And I was just like

20:56

, yeah , I'll see you next week , coach . And

20:59

it was like I did . It was

21:01

like hunting was like 100% the

21:03

thing I was doing and like even now

21:06

, like I do Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and

21:08

like I'm

21:10

I'm like 100% into whatever

21:12

I'm doing at the time . You know

21:14

. So like my fallback

21:17

is always Jiu-Jitsu . Like I have that throughout the entire year . But

21:19

when it's hunting season , like I'm like

21:21

I'm a thousand percent into hunting . When

21:23

it's fishing season , I'm a thousand percent into fishing

21:25

. Like I don't do any pre-season scouting , like

21:28

because I'm fishing . I don't do like

21:30

now I don't run any intro cameras

21:33

. Like I hunt when it's on the season , I fish

21:35

when it's fishing season and then like that's it

21:37

. I'm like I guess an anomaly . Like

21:39

I talked to a lot of people like they're

21:41

, like you're so weird dude , like how do you do that ?

21:44

but , yeah , no , I , I

21:46

mean you're , you're living

21:48

the life that you want to live . Listen , I , I

21:50

it's tough for me , like I do love fishing

21:53

, but like nothing comes close

21:55

to the , to hunting season , and you

21:57

know the preparation . I'm always out scouting

21:59

, like always doing something for hunting

22:01

season , everything like that . What'd

22:05

you say ?

22:05

I couldn't hear you what do

22:07

you guys mostly fish for ? About you like what's uh

22:09

um , obviously

22:11

, bass .

22:12

Um , huge trout fisher I'd like I've

22:14

trout has grown on me where it's kind of overtaken

22:17

bass fishing but hope to get on some

22:19

, uh , smallies this year I want to get

22:21

musky and and pike . Um

22:24

, I'm big into you know I I've started

22:26

to really love snapping

22:28

turtle fishing or hunting . You

22:31

know we'll eat those and those are actually

22:33

pretty good eating . Cat

22:35

fishing , like I'll fish for anything

22:38

, but like the drive

22:40

isn't like it is with hunting . I'm

22:43

trying to get more into saltwater

22:45

, like I still like you

22:48

know I , you know I do like it , but like I'm

22:50

not the biggest ocean person

22:52

, like how I like to go in I'm a big swimmer

22:54

. I'm not the best swimmer in the world but I'm

22:56

I like to . I like to swim when there's water

22:58

, I like to be in the water . But once

23:01

it gets past , like my chest and

23:03

like maybe my neck area where I can't

23:05

see and you know our

23:07

ocean over here in the Jersey Long

23:09

Island area , it's just dirty as hell

23:11

and you can't see the bottom . So like

23:13

it's not the most comforting thing in the world

23:15

going far , far out in a boat

23:17

. But you know also I

23:19

think I watched Jaws too many times as a kid , so

23:22

like I love sharks , but I have a huge paranoia

23:25

of getting eaten by a shark all the way out

23:27

in the middle of the ocean .

23:30

Yeah , it's definitely sketchy out there .

23:32

Yeah , yeah , definitely . What type of fishing do you

23:34

do ?

23:38

I would say mostly striped bass and

23:40

fluke are probably like the two big ones

23:42

. I mean we catch a lot

23:44

of everything , a lot of like porgies , a lot of sea bass

23:47

, like when the triggerfish come in . A catch a lot of , a

23:49

lot of everything , a lot of like porgies , a lot of sea bass , like when the trigger fish

23:51

come in . Um , a little bit of everything , but like mainly striped

23:53

bass and fluke are probably like the two biggest things . Um

23:56

, and then like if sort of like the wreck , like I said

23:58

, porgy , sea bass , blackfish , stuff

24:01

like that .

24:02

Now that kind of makes sense , like I

24:05

swear . It's like every time I talk to a , a

24:07

saltwater fisherman they're invested

24:10

in , completely dialed in , where it's like saltwater

24:13

fishing takes over everything

24:15

during during that time of the season

24:17

. So it does make sense like once hunting's over , it's like

24:19

all right , I'm not even scouting anymore

24:21

, it is full-blown , like let's

24:23

go out , you know , for striped bass and everything like that

24:25

. Like that seems like to be the thing . Like

24:27

I think with freshwater fishermen you kind

24:30

of get that where it's like all right , I can go out

24:32

for a couple hours and then you know I can go

24:34

scout and stuff . Like because you're in the woods

24:36

, usually you're on a river or something like that where

24:38

it's like when you're obviously you're doing saltwater

24:41

, you're either on the shoreline or you're

24:43

out in the ocean . So it's like you can't

24:45

really juggle both

24:47

at the same time , like you could with fresh water

24:49

yeah

24:52

, definitely , definitely .

24:53

I mean it's kind of like two completely different places , you

24:55

know um , but

24:58

I mean we do see a lot of big deer over here

25:00

, but like on on the beaches and stuff , I

25:02

wish you could hunt there . That'd be great I've

25:05

.

25:05

So I that's something that I've heard of . I've had a

25:07

couple buddies before I started the podcast and

25:09

they they lived in long island , everything that's like

25:11

dude , we have monster deer

25:13

like right on the shore , and everything I'm like well

25:15

, I'm like I don't think I've ever gone once

25:17

to the jersey shore and saw like deer

25:20

, but like that's so , like I was like

25:22

no way , I was like deer and long

25:24

, like long , long island , like there's , there's

25:26

. First of all , when I found out there was

25:28

like you guys had the herd that you guys have , like you

25:31

guys do have a lot of deer and big deer too

25:33

. Like you're starting to see some big deer being

25:35

taken out of long island , everything like

25:37

that . But those , those residential deer

25:39

, are just , they are something

25:41

to admire because they get to grow

25:43

to be tanks and you

25:46

guys get a lot of them . So it's , it's . It is a lot

25:48

of opportunity for you guys oh

25:50

yeah , sure , I mean we have .

25:52

Like I said , I'm pretty I'm spoiled

25:54

, like I I couldn't live in another

25:56

state and like I have family that lives in florida

25:59

and they haven't they haven't shot a deer

26:01

in like years , you know , like or

26:03

they see something and it's like so small

26:05

, not even worth shooting , like I

26:07

couldn't live like that yeah , like

26:09

I shoot because

26:12

obviously we can , you know , and it's

26:14

great being in

26:16

, just

26:18

like our area .

26:20

I , you know , I know maine's very difficult

26:22

, minnesota is very difficult , but like for

26:24

the most part , like jersey , new y , new

26:26

York , new York stuff

26:28

too , but like Long Island , connecticut

26:30

, pa , there's a lot of options

26:33

and of course you know you go to the Midwest but like

26:35

that far north , that south

26:37

, you know it's just very

26:40

difficult hunting where it's like you're

26:42

chasing completely different deer . I'm not

26:44

saying these other states don't have

26:46

big deer , but they do . But I

26:48

don't think they have the opportunity

26:51

that we have , especially in

26:53

our tri-state area , like our opportunity

26:55

definitely outshines , I think

26:57

, most of the country's opportunity

27:00

when it comes to chasing deer and fishing

27:02

too . Like we have saltwater , we have freshwater

27:04

, we have , you know we have hunting turkey

27:06

, you know waterfowl , upland

27:09

birds , like our areas

27:11

can kind of do it , can kind of do

27:13

it all . Like you can travel all within , you

27:15

know a general decent drive and

27:18

kind of do everything . If we're talking

27:20

um , I was talking to knocked

27:22

outdoors um zach

27:24

yesterday , um , and you know pa

27:26

has elk , it like you could

27:28

go to PA and if you draw a tag you can

27:30

go hunt elk in PA instead of going

27:32

out to the Midwest . You know we can go up

27:35

North and you can hunt moose up in Maine

27:38

, you know , and not have to

27:40

go to , you know , all

27:42

the way up up North , up into Canada or

27:44

to Alaska to do it Like that

27:46

. That's's pretty unique and you know it's . It's

27:48

it's cool that in our area it's

27:50

pretty accessible with hunting and

27:52

it's it's definitely a blessing oh

27:56

, yeah , for sure .

27:57

I mean that's one of the things that's been like . You know

27:59

, like obviously , well , you don't live alone , but

28:01

living on long island , you you

28:03

grow up with a lot of people who move away because of how

28:06

expensive it is here , and

28:08

it's like that's literally the

28:10

one thing that really keeps me here is that my ability

28:13

to hunt and fish . You know , like I could

28:15

find a job anywhere in the world . I mean

28:17

you could say the same thing about hunting and fishing but like there's nothing

28:19

like at least that I feel is like so good

28:21

like all together , like I have so many

28:23

species of fish . Whether I want to go

28:25

saltwater , freshwater , like the

28:27

big game hunting like here , specifically

28:30

in suffolk county , is like ridiculous and

28:33

I mean that's really all I do . I duck hunt

28:35

every once in a while . You know

28:37

I'm not a huge duck hunter . Um

28:39

, I was a big duck hunter when I was younger . I

28:42

I did a lot , but I just

28:44

kind of grew out of it like I don't know . For me

28:46

to spend all day to shoot like one or two ducks , it's like

28:48

not really worth it and it's like most of

28:50

the time here in wing island you're not shooting mallard , you're shooting

28:52

like sea ducks .

28:53

They taste like crap , so yeah

28:55

they end up just being like dog

28:57

treats at the end of the day I , I've

28:59

grown into um , being

29:02

a waterfall hunter nonetheless , I'm growing into

29:04

it , you know . But , like I said , I've never had a sea duck

29:07

before . As you know , we get the . We get

29:09

plenty of opportunity here to shoot

29:11

mallards , woodies , like you know , mcgansers

29:13

, all these things , um , you know

29:15

, so I don't

29:17

have to really too much deal with the sea ducks

29:19

and have like taste a duck

29:22

, that isn't . And then you know the geese . This is my

29:24

first year shooting geese and I absolutely fell in

29:26

love with it . But you know , it's

29:28

just having the option , the

29:33

. The options are just , you know

29:35

, I didn't . You know we have bears , coyotes

29:37

, bobcats , you know , um , I think

29:39

um , dave was telling me you guys have

29:41

on the island

29:43

, um , those like feral dogs , I think

29:46

, um , I

29:48

can't remember what he , what he called it . Um

29:51

, you guys have , like these feral dogs

29:53

. Let me see if I , if you'll , answer my text right

29:55

now . But if he , if he answers

29:57

, I will , uh , I'll

30:00

, I'll definitely let you guys know

30:02

. But , um , you know

30:04

. So , so , growing up , so you

30:06

said you started roughly around 13 years old , what

30:09

, what was your like first memory

30:11

of deer hunting ? You know what , what was that ? One

30:13

thing , that kind of got you , got you hooked .

30:18

So well , my first . So my first memory

30:20

of deer hunting was so

30:23

I'm scared , scared of heights , like my whole life

30:25

. Growing up I was scared of heights . I'm like okay

30:27

with them now . Like I feel comfortable in the tree stand

30:29

I used to do carpentry

30:31

so I feel comfortable on a roof . When

30:33

it's in my hands

30:36

I feel comfortable . But

30:38

on top of a crazy tall building

30:40

it's sketched out , uh , we

30:43

were

30:46

going upstate and like those , um , I

30:48

don't know what exact trees they are , but they're like . They're

30:50

like the very tall pines they only have , like the

30:52

pine up at the very top , like

30:54

the rest of the trunk is pretty much bare , so they're perfect

30:57

for climbers . So

30:59

I was like 14 at the time . In new

31:01

york you were allowed to rifle hunt at 14 . Um

31:03

, so first , literally first , not

31:06

first six I hunted with the , with the bow , here

31:08

on the island . But first year out , first

31:10

day with the rifle , I'm going up , it's like four

31:12

in the morning , and my

31:15

uncle well , I call my uncle

31:17

, it's my , my brother's , uh

31:19

, football coach that got us into it and

31:22

uh , you know , he became a close family friend and

31:24

, um , I'm going

31:26

up . Oh , my God , is this high enough ? He's

31:29

like , keep going , keep going , keep going . Oh my god , is this high enough ? And

31:31

then , like I get to the point where , like he's like lifting

31:33

my backpack up , you know , to

31:36

get me those extra couple of feet . So

31:39

he's like , what's the matter ? Like you're scared , I'm like

31:41

, yeah , honestly , I'm like kind of scared right now . This

31:43

is pretty sketchy . He's

31:47

like , don't worry about it . He's like , just tie yourself

31:49

in . He's like if you , uh , he's

31:51

like . He's like if the tree breaks , he's like I mean

31:53

, you're screwed either way . He's like , if you're above the break , you're

31:55

gonna fall , he's like , and if you're below the break , he's

31:57

like it's gonna fall on you , he's like , and then

31:59

just walks away . And now that

32:01

was like my introduction to

32:03

rifle hunting , 14 years old , 4 , 30 in the morning

32:05

. So I'm like

32:08

like this is not fun . And then , of

32:10

course , daylight was up like

32:12

40 feet in the air , you know , at

32:14

least that's what it feels like . And uh

32:16

, yeah , so that was like my first introduction

32:19

to rifle season . Um

32:21

, but yeah , that was

32:23

that , was it ?

32:24

uh , that's like you don't even want to move at that

32:26

point like it's , like you're , you're shaking it's like

32:28

I , I , oh my , the wind blows

32:30

and it's like , oh my god , I'm going down yeah

32:34

yeah , but I mean I I liked

32:36

it like just being up there , the calm , the quietness

32:38

and all that .

32:39

but um , literally the

32:41

very first time I I climbed

32:44

the tree hunting in

32:47

the morning I'm waiting for it opening

32:49

day and I hear a Turkey . and

32:51

I'm like man , this thing , I'm like it's got

32:53

to be somewhere close and then it

32:56

gets light enough to where it starts to come down and

32:58

it was literally in the tree branch , like right above me

33:00

, like if I reached up I could have touched it . I

33:02

had no idea . It was there the whole time but

33:05

that was pretty cool . Like

33:09

the first time that I looked up , flew down , I was like holy shit , like

33:12

this is , this is insane .

33:13

Like I have to do that would never that would

33:15

never happen during turkey season , like that

33:17

would . That would never not in a million years

33:19

, would that happen during the actual season

33:22

yeah

33:24

, no , it was crazy .

33:25

Like I said , I was like all morning here the like clucks

33:27

. You know the little noises

33:29

they're making . I'm'm like where the hell is this looking

33:31

around ? It's literally like not even

33:34

a foot and a half above me .

33:37

That's , that's , that's absolutely crazy , real

33:40

quick . So Dave confirmed . He

33:42

said it's actually upstate New York that they have

33:44

coy dogs , which are hybrid between

33:46

wild and domestic dogs . And

33:55

then on Long Island there has been confirmed sightings of coyotes . So it was the koi

33:57

dogs . I thought they were on Long Island , but they're actually in upstate New York .

34:00

That's crazy . I've never heard of it . Was it koi

34:02

dog ?

34:03

Yeah , yeah , koi dogs C-O-Y-D-O-s

34:06

, um , you know , so I

34:08

guess you know , like I said , feral

34:10

dogs mating with coyotes , which and here

34:12

we have , um , the

34:15

mix of coyote

34:18

and wolf hybrid . Um , you know , I know a couple

34:20

people that have shot , shot those and

34:23

those are pretty common . So , um

34:25

, I could only imagine in the canine

34:27

species , I mean , they

34:30

just do , I guess , what they got to do and they make

34:32

a brand new species .

34:33

that's just absolutely terrifying yeah

34:36

, yeah , we just got . I mean , I

34:39

say we just got them on the long island

34:41

. I'm sure they've been here for a while . Um

34:44

, you know , I I've had a couple . You

34:46

know there's been trail cam pictures floating

34:48

around for , you know , a couple years now

34:50

, but there's been definitely a lot more and

34:52

more sightings . You know pictures on instagram

34:54

of them alive . You know , um

34:57

, trail cam pictures . There's actually one

34:59

crazy one trail cam picture with a coyote

35:01

with a dog in its mouth , like a small dog

35:04

. That was out here . But

35:07

uh , yeah

35:13

, I don't know

35:16

how that works . I'm

35:18

sure they'll come out with it sooner or later yeah

35:21

, no , definitely .

35:22

Um , you know something that not

35:25

confirmed yet yet , but I talked

35:27

to a bunch of people and they've said that they've seen

35:29

Mountain

35:32

lion in New Jersey . You

35:34

know , and I listen

35:36

, I completely believe it . Do I think

35:38

we have a mountain lion population ? No

35:41

, not , not so ever . But is it

35:43

crazy for a mountain lion to wander

35:45

all the way over here ? For

35:49

a mountain lion to wander all the way over here ? No , not at all , because I

35:51

heard , uh , I believe male mountain lions have like a crazy range of their

35:53

their homeland . So like , at

35:55

some point I would imagine one would make it into

35:57

upstate new york , pa , and then to eventually

36:00

into and to new jersey and honestly

36:02

, you could be in the delaware water gap and never be seen

36:04

.

36:05

What happened yeah , I

36:07

have a trail picture of one from upstate really

36:10

yeah

36:13

, yeah , wow that .

36:15

So if they're definitely in upstate new york , there's

36:17

npa and new jersey . Like I said

36:19

, maybe one , maybe two , just you

36:21

know , with that home range being so big

36:23

and just cruising through , you would imagine that they get pushed

36:25

out of their territories by a more dominant male

36:27

. And you know they have to

36:30

, they have to move . But I don't know what

36:32

I would do if I saw a mountain lion in the woods . Like I

36:34

really don't . Like I'm

36:37

cool with seeing bear , like I I love , like

36:39

we've talked about all the time in this podcast like

36:41

bears one thing that I love seeing but

36:43

mountain lions that are actually

36:45

known to hunt humans and attack

36:47

you from behind and grab your neck is

36:50

just something I really do not want to

36:52

deal with . Like keep that out in the midwest

36:54

. Like keep that montana

36:57

and and all those areas , keep that out

36:59

there . We got enough to deal with .

37:00

I wouldn't want that around here yeah

37:04

, that's , yeah , they're , they're definitely , uh

37:06

, definitely sketchy

37:08

animals yeah

37:11

, no , definitely are .

37:12

But um , so when

37:15

, uh , you hunted up up in upstate

37:17

new york with the rifle and everything like that , when did

37:19

you convert to the bow , like here on long

37:21

island ? Like , was that at the same , roughly

37:24

, in the same time , or did that take a little , a little

37:26

longer ? I started

37:28

bow hunting first .

37:30

Okay , so bow hunting was okay . Yeah

37:33

, just because the long island , we don't have a rifle season

37:35

, we only have bow , and then we

37:38

have , I think it's three weeks of shotgun

37:40

. Um , but , like I said , they

37:43

make it such a pain in the ass that's not even worth doing

37:45

. Uh , so like I

37:47

have , true , I have like tree stands that I could

37:49

ride my bike to from my house . You know , if

37:51

I had so cool , that's great

37:53

. So yeah , like like

37:56

long island , I mean we can bow hunts

37:58

. We have a good , like a real good , season

38:00

. I mean it's now

38:03

, it's I think sept

38:05

, uh october 1st to to January

38:07

31st is like the regular season

38:09

. So we got four full

38:11

months of regular season . I

38:14

think they have a early doe season

38:16

. I know they did have an early doe season . I'm

38:19

not too sure if they still have that they

38:21

did it last year .

38:22

I know that I don't know if , going forward , they're going

38:24

to do it , but I know last year they did that .

38:32

Yeah , so I mean mean , like I said , to be honest with you , I really don't even

38:34

hunt too much in october , just because the last couple years it's been so nice and like I'm

38:36

still fishing , I'm still killing striped bass .

38:38

so another

38:41

another thing of being

38:43

a saltwater fisherman that if you're doing

38:45

both , especially with the

38:48

way this crazy weather

38:50

that we've been having , I've same thing . I know a bunch

38:52

of guys that they're like you know what I'm not really ready

38:54

to be in the deer woods yet . Like we got to

38:56

take full advantage of this beautiful weather

38:58

and be out on on a boat and and out fishing

39:01

, you know , in the in the ocean

39:03

, instead being out in the woods , um , but it's

39:06

hard . Like I could imagine having that dilemma

39:08

. Like I'm so happy that I'm such a hardcore

39:10

bow hunter that I don't have to deal

39:12

with that dilemma with picking one over the other

39:14

yeah

39:17

, it's a october

39:19

is definitely one of the worst

39:21

months for me , like just you

39:23

know , like mentally and just like

39:25

everything .

39:26

I'm so tired , like , like I I

39:28

always like joke around , I always like tell people like I

39:30

feel like a drug addict , just because , like I'm

39:32

walking around now with no sleep

39:34

, like people talking to me , I'm not even paying attention

39:36

and just like I'm

39:39

, I'm literally addicted to just hunting and fishing

39:41

, and it's bad sometimes

39:43

yeah , no

39:45

, I it's listen , I feel you

39:47

it's Love the lifestyle

39:49

.

39:49

We gotta love the lifestyle . That we do , you

39:52

know . And then back to the Both . Oh

39:55

, you were gonna say something .

39:57

No , I was just gonna say . I have to say the worst part is , is that , like

40:00

During that time , is that , like

40:02

we were just saying , it's a really good time for both ? So

40:05

I can deer hunt During the day , but then I can fish at night

40:07

, so it's a really good time for both ? Um , so I can deer hunt during the day , but then I can fish at night , so it's like

40:09

I'd never get sleep .

40:11

Never , yeah , no , that that's one of those things

40:13

like cause you got to do it all over again , you know the

40:15

next day , or or you got to go train or you

40:18

know , work out with you know and do what you do

40:20

with your imagine , with your clients , and everything

40:22

like that . So it's like there

40:24

is no . There isn't from hunting

40:26

and fishing , especially for you , if you're you're fishing

40:28

like that , like there really is no

40:30

rest . Do you turkey hunt too , or have

40:32

you no ?

40:35

Um , when I was younger I used to turkey hunt upstate

40:37

a lot , uh

40:40

, but um , I haven't done a lot

40:42

of turkey in the past couple of years , um

40:45

, just cause it's it's

40:47

usually like my one month that I don't do much . you know

40:49

, it's like yeah yeah , like I guess

40:51

around now , like march , april

40:54

and may are kind of like my , my

40:57

down , though april

40:59

really technically starts straight past season , for us , april

41:02

15th I believe it is , um , but

41:04

yeah , you're really not really catching him size

41:07

, at least in the West

41:09

, like towards , like you guys , towards Jersey , towards

41:11

Nassau city , all that .

41:14

Yeah , yeah , no . So so you do get

41:17

somewhat of a a

41:19

downtime and not having to be an absolute

41:21

crazy person and going out at

41:23

two o'clock , three o'clock in the morning to go chase

41:26

some birds , so I guess you do get a

41:28

little little break . Besides

41:30

that , you , you don't get much of one and it's

41:32

like it's just on full grind mode from season

41:34

to season to to your job and everything

41:37

like that . Now you know you got a

41:39

ridge runner and everything like that , so that's going

41:41

to add even even more for for you

41:43

to do and stuff like that . But it's pretty cool

41:45

experience and and it's it's really unique and

41:47

it's it's it's

41:50

the grind that we love .

41:51

But it's like , jesus christ , like some days

41:53

it's like , uh , I just want to sleep

41:55

yeah

41:57

, no , I mean , I don't know , it's just something

41:59

about like that's just kind of how my brain works , like , uh

42:03

, I don't know , like I just need I always need

42:05

stuff to be like going on and

42:07

just like I . I

42:09

get bored very easily and like that's

42:11

another reason why I do a lot of bottom fishing is

42:14

because it's like I don't have to go out and

42:16

troll for tuna all day and catch maybe

42:18

one fish . You know I can go out

42:20

, catch hundreds of fish a day and then you

42:23

know , be fine . So it's like , uh

42:25

, I just need stuff like happening all

42:28

the time , which is kind of ironic because

42:30

I hunt all the time , which is literally

42:32

doing nothing yeah , so I need nothing

42:37

at the same time it's .

42:39

It's a different like . It's a different type of

42:41

doing nothing , like , yes , you're doing

42:43

nothing , but the fact that something

42:45

can pop off in like a split

42:47

second and you know there could be

42:49

deer , there could be a bear , there could be whatever

42:52

type of animal could be coming in , I think keeps

42:54

you up on your toes a little bit . Yeah , there's always a

42:56

lull and everything . It's like , oh gosh , like I

42:58

just want something to move , but like you

43:01

just never know . So , like you

43:03

know , plus , in the stand , like at least you , you

43:05

can , I like to to throw in like the AirPods

43:08

and listen to some music , you know , listen to

43:10

podcasts . Like that's usually what I'll do

43:12

, um , just just

43:14

to kill some time . But I'd

43:16

much rather be doing nothing in

43:18

the woods than sitting at home doing

43:21

absolutely nothing , cause I feel so lazy

43:23

and feel like a sack of shit . So it's

43:26

just different .

43:28

Definitely , definitely .

43:29

I agree with that um

43:31

, so , you know , can

43:34

we go into some of the if

43:37

you're someone who's listening to this or

43:39

you know someone that's interested

43:41

in beginning on and deals with eczema and

43:43

everything like that , like this is something

43:45

that you would probably , I imagine , highly recommend

43:48

, just because it's all natural . You don't have

43:50

to worry about , like you know , those chemicals any

43:52

, any type of irritation like that . Like these

43:54

things are proven to to help with

43:57

certain skin , uh issues

43:59

that that people do have uh

44:03

, yeah , definitely .

44:04

So I mean , first off , I'm going

44:06

to say I'm no expert in this , like I'm literally

44:08

a hunter who just started making this stuff . So

44:12

I am trying to do some research

44:14

, you know , like , obviously , more

44:17

information about it . But I mean , if you

44:19

have like questions , like , obviously reach out to the Instagram

44:21

. I can help out . I can do some research , find out

44:23

the answers . But

44:26

, like I always say to a professional

44:28

professional , talk to like an esthetician or

44:30

someone like uh , who deals with skin . Like

44:33

, if you have a dermatologist , you go

44:35

to . Like , you know , whatever the case is , whoever you

44:37

feel comfortable talking to , um , but , with

44:39

that said , a lot of them don't really know

44:41

what tallow is or have never even heard

44:43

it or used it , you know . So , um , sometimes

44:46

it's really not the best person to talk to because they're like oh , don't use that . You

44:48

know . So , um , sometimes it's really not the best person to talk to because they're like oh , don't use that . You know

44:50

, use like these chemicals , you know . So

44:52

it depends who you're talking to , obviously

44:54

, um , but I would say like , get

44:56

you know , like , go to them

44:58

with information , like , come to me , I'll

45:01

give you information , go to them like , hey , look it

45:03

, you know it has these vitamins , these minerals x , y

45:05

, y and z . It's supposed to do this for

45:07

me . Like , what do you think based off

45:09

of your education ? You know , cause if you just

45:11

go out there with a blank thing , you know same thing

45:13

. You're going to the doctor . You're like , hey , uh

45:15

, you know my personal trainer said this

45:18

. And they're like , you know , personal trainer , don't listen

45:20

to him . But

45:28

if you're like , hey , my personal trainer said X , y and Z because of this study , this study

45:30

and this study , they're like , oh , yeah , maybe he , maybe he kind of knows what he's talking about . So

45:33

I always tell you people like , if you're gonna go talk to a dermatologist or esthetician

45:35

or you know someone about your skin , like , go with

45:37

them about facts , because then it's like you're talking

45:39

on their same kind of like lingo

45:41

. You know , if you just come to them and they're

45:43

like , hey , like I heard about this stuff on instagram , they're gonna be

45:45

like , oh man , like another one of those instagram

45:48

things you know . Um , so

45:50

, uh , but with

45:52

eczema , um , from

45:54

my understanding , like eczema is kind of just like dry

45:57

skin , like very , very bad dry skin . Um

46:01

, so it is , it does help with eczema

46:03

like I know about . I know a couple people who use it . Um

46:06

, my one friend specifically . She buys it for her son

46:08

and says that it's helped , like like

46:10

a ton , you know just . Uh , I

46:12

think he has it on his hands . Um , I know somebody else

46:15

who had eczema on their , on their legs and they

46:17

use it with a lot of success , um

46:20

, but like , then again , it's kind

46:22

of like everything else , like it's

46:24

not it . It can

46:26

be used for everything , but

46:28

it's also not for everything , you know

46:31

. So what you might find it

46:33

useful for it might not work at all for me

46:35

and vice versa , you know . So

46:37

it's . You know

46:39

it's , it's natural . At the end of day , it's natural and it's

46:41

gonna help some people and it

46:44

might not help others , you know and that's everything you

46:46

know . Just like hunting is not for everyone , fishing

46:48

not for everyone you know you

46:55

there , I was muted .

46:56

I , yeah , I was my . I was muted . My bed , um

46:59

, the . The human body

47:01

reacts differently to all different types

47:03

of things . Um , so , yeah , it's

47:05

just because it helps one person doesn't mean it's

47:07

going to help the other , you know , and it's it's

47:09

kind of like a trial by error error . Um

47:12

, yeah , definitely always recommend going to see

47:14

your doctor and everything my mom works for

47:16

does this and that she's big

47:18

into to skin care

47:20

and everything like that . She has her own company and works

47:23

on plenty of other companies . So she did say

47:25

it's like it is a great idea and it does work

47:27

. But , yet again , like , some

47:29

things just don't work correctly

47:31

for others . You know , some people do have allergic

47:34

reaction , just like you can have allergic reaction

47:36

to to anything you know there you

47:38

, you just never know until until

47:40

you either go get it checked out or or you

47:42

try it . But , um , I've used it

47:44

um , since you sent it over

47:47

, and it was the hard part of the winter

47:49

, like I made , and I don't use

47:51

too , and this is the one thing about

47:53

being a hunter , especially a deer hunter it's like , all

47:56

right , I can't use the , the normal

47:58

products that I would typically use

48:00

throughout the off season . So

48:03

now my skin is starting to get really dry

48:05

, like my lips are starting to crack because

48:07

we're outside all the time in the winter

48:09

. This has it has

48:12

has helped me . From my personal experience

48:14

it is . It has helped a lot . I've seen a big

48:16

difference , um , and it's

48:18

something that , like , I'm not

48:20

too worried about . You know the smell or anything

48:22

like that . Like I'm not gonna be

48:24

smelling like a rose I , I know , I

48:26

know that , like I , it has

48:28

its own unique smell , but it's it's

48:31

not , um , an

48:33

unnatural smell . It was what

48:35

I'm trying to say Like it's not , like this , it's not

48:37

a human , normal , human odor . So

48:40

I like to put it on and I'll go

48:42

out and hunting and I'll . I'll have no , no

48:44

issues , just because , to me , I

48:46

think deer really do pick up on on

48:48

human odors more and unnatural

48:51

orders that they're not used to smelling

48:53

.

48:53

Yeah , for sure , and that's like one of the reasons why I made the unscented , where I still continue to

48:55

make the unscented . Yeah , for sure , and that's one of the reasons why I

48:57

made the unscented , where I still continue

48:59

to make the unscented . Not

49:01

a lot of people , I

49:04

mean , you have it . It's not like it's

49:07

disgusting . You know what I'm saying ? It has a very slight

49:09

odor , but some people don't like

49:11

it . So I made the lavender , but

49:14

I still continue to make the unscented because that's what I

49:16

use , like you said , for hunting . Like I go out in the woods

49:18

, I don't want to be smelling like lavender

49:20

or you know whatever roses

49:23

. I am going to make

49:25

a , probably going to end up making

49:27

cedar wood for like a more masculine

49:30

scent . That

49:33

would be cool Also because

49:35

we're , you know , something like the Northeast that

49:37

that we have a decent amount of . So you

49:40

know , I'm not making like , uh , you

49:43

know something like sandalwood

49:46

. Um , sandalwood was like the other one that I was kind of tossing

49:48

up , but it's like we don't really have a lot of sandalwood

49:50

around here . So it's like you know you're walking through pine or

49:52

the deer is walking through pines and then smell sandalwood . He's

49:54

like what ? The hell is that you know

49:56

? yeah so

49:59

cedar is probably like I'm 99

50:01

sure is what I'm going to go with , um

50:03

, but yeah , like , like

50:05

you said , that's , it's

50:14

something , and I don't have to worry

50:16

about , you know , me smelling up the woods

50:18

, although I mean , we're

50:21

kind of in different areas , so I'm curious to

50:23

get your take on this , but I

50:26

don't know how much I believe in the whole scent

50:28

thing . But I also

50:30

think it depends on where you live . Like

50:32

here on long island , we have , like you

50:34

said , residential deer , so like they're

50:36

smelling people all the time

50:38

. Um , especially , a lot of the

50:40

places that we're legally allowed to hunt is

50:43

also mountain bike trails or walking

50:45

trails , so like the

50:47

deer are seeing people 365

50:49

days a year . Uh , when I go

50:51

upstate , though , I feel like that's a different story , because you know you might be hiking

50:53

two , three , four or five miles into the woods . Like that might be different story , because

50:55

you know you might be hiking two , three , four , five miles

50:57

into the woods . Like that might be the first

51:00

person that you're seeing , you know , or

51:02

or seen in in you know how many

51:04

days . Uh , so I'm curious

51:06

to get your , your , your take on that .

51:08

So that's , that's actually a pretty popular

51:10

topic that we , that we talk about , because

51:13

I think I don't

51:15

focus on scent control as much

51:17

I would as I would like in maine or like upstate

51:20

new york or an area like that . Um

51:22

, now , if I'm , I'm deep a couple

51:24

miles in , that's a different story . But if I'm

51:26

hunting near hiking trails

51:29

or you know , in between houses

51:31

or somewhere where these deer

51:33

are encountering humans , often

51:36

, well

51:38

, I'm not worried , like , yeah

51:40

, I do , I do my ritual and I'll you know

51:42

, I'll , I'll wash with with my soap

51:45

and I'll do like the normal process

51:47

that I would normally do . But hunting

51:50

in a bad wind is not a make or break in

51:52

in certain spots . Yes , I

51:54

do hunt certain spots , where , of course , it is

51:56

in new jersey , but I

51:58

don't , I'm not , I'm not someone who's going

52:00

to be like , hey , you know what , you have to be a hundred

52:03

percent scent free

52:05

, because there's no such thing as a hundred percent scent

52:07

free . That's , it's impossible . The

52:09

minute you step out the shower , um

52:12

, you're , you're getting some type of human

52:14

scent on you , like it . It's impossible

52:16

, right , it just is so

52:18

. Um , I , I

52:20

agree with you on that , like I , just

52:22

these deer are so used to it where I don't , I

52:24

don't think it matters . If you're hunting a state

52:27

where it matters or an area where

52:29

it matters , then of course I 100 agree

52:32

with you . But these deer in in our

52:34

tri-state area , they're so used to humans that

52:36

it's like what , what is

52:38

, what is I'm catching human scent ? It's

52:40

, it's an everyday life for them . It's it's every

52:43

day . Yeah

52:45

, for sure , um

52:47

, but I , I like how you bring that up , because

52:49

not not many people bring that up and not many people

52:52

like we'll

52:54

, we'll talk about it , because they still think that they need

52:56

to hunt . You know that because they're

52:58

watching videos off of you know

53:00

, like the hunting public midwest whitetail

53:02

and stuff like that it's like , yeah , their

53:05

scent has to be like they have

53:07

to play the wind , they have to like , they

53:09

have to do these things correct . You

53:11

know , um , when I hunt bigger

53:14

, mature deer , you know , when

53:16

I hunt those big boys , yeah , I

53:18

do it , not necessarily because I

53:20

I have to , but I want to like

53:22

bring every advantage in

53:25

my favor . That that I can't , you

53:27

know , if I'm going out and hunting does . No

53:31

, no , I got spots . Like I said , I don't care

53:33

about the wind , I don't even look at the wind . I'll just be

53:35

like , all right , if I want to see some deer , I want

53:37

to get an opportunity to shoot a deer , I'm going

53:39

to that spot . I was literally there yesterday filming

53:41

, you know , taking pictures and and doing all

53:43

a bunch of stuff , and I I

53:45

didn't care that I was there like we're , we're being

53:48

loud and everything like that , because they're used to

53:50

it . There's a hiking trail a

53:52

couple hundred yards away and then , you

53:55

know , going even further , deep in there's

53:58

houses , all like the . The

54:00

wildlife management is zoned by by

54:02

just houses all over the place . People

54:04

walk on the on these roads , people are driving

54:07

constantly . They're out in their yards playing

54:09

and doing stuff . These deer hang

54:11

out in their , in their yards , so it's like they're

54:13

just used to it . So I don't , I

54:17

don't , I don't really don't really mind , because you know it's like I said , it's another day

54:19

of life over there yeah

54:22

, sure , like that's how it is by us , like these new year

54:25

I mean I have spots that I

54:27

can still see my truck .

54:29

You know like I get up in the tree and I'm like , oh

54:31

, there's yeah that

54:33

and that's you know what .

54:35

That's something I I

54:37

remember when I first started doing this and bow

54:39

hunting , everything like that , and it's like I

54:41

think it's because you watch all these shows on youtube

54:44

and everything like that and you know , now

54:46

, with the podcast , it's like , oh you , you

54:48

have to go miles in . You know you have to

54:50

do this , you have to do that , you have

54:52

to get away from everyone . You can't be around

54:54

houses and it's like , no

55:02

, that's not really the reality because , honestly , sometimes I see bigger deer and more deer around

55:04

these residential areas because that's their safety . That's where they

55:06

feel the most secure , because they're not being pressured

55:09

there . You know they can escape in

55:11

and out of state land or or or

55:13

whatever you're hunting and

55:15

they're not , you know

55:17

, in danger all the time

55:20

. Um , so that's

55:22

something the last couple years that I've taken key

55:24

on . And you know , big shout out to one of my guys , like american

55:26

mike , like there's spots where

55:28

he doesn't go in far , because you know what you

55:31

don't really have to . We're not

55:33

in ohio , you know . We're not in iowa

55:35

, we're not in in these , in these states

55:38

. It's like you just got to know

55:40

your area , scout

55:42

your area , figure out the

55:44

deer movement , your movement and also

55:47

other other hunting pressure

55:49

or or hikers , and then you can listen

55:51

. If you go a couple hundred yards in you can still

55:53

see your truck , but you

55:55

know there's deer going to be there almost every day

55:57

. That's a great spot . Why go a mile

55:59

in when you could just go a couple hundred , shoot a

56:01

deer and have an easy drag out

56:04

versus a miserable one ?

56:06

yeah , oh , yeah , definitely . I mean both

56:09

this year's buck and last

56:11

year's buck . I shot out of the same , the same spot

56:14

, I think . Actually I had a

56:16

uh , no different tree , but like 10

56:18

yards apart from each other and

56:20

over the same community scrape

56:23

early in the season , and I

56:25

was maybe 50 yards from my truck

56:27

, you know if that like

56:29

I was right there and the

56:31

biggest deer I've ever shot was on an

56:34

acre piece of land .

56:40

Jesus , that is , that's incredibleesus , that is that that's incredible . That is that's incredible . But

56:42

that's that's all that you need . Like someone was telling me like , oh , like , I only got

56:44

like two , two or three acres and it's like

56:46

man , you can make that work . I would listen

56:49

, I would kill for two or three acres of my

56:51

own property , like I'd kill for for one acre

56:53

of my own property , because , as long as everything's

56:55

set up correctly , it's going

56:57

to be a good spot . Like if you got deer there

57:00

and your neighbors allow you to hunt or you

57:02

know , they give you the okay , whatever your local

57:04

laws are . Like man

57:07

, that's all that you need . If I could

57:09

, I would go in my backyard , I'd

57:11

pop a deer . I've had a lot of

57:13

nice bucks and a lot of does and everything

57:15

like that , but I legally cannot hunt

57:18

in my backyard . So there's

57:20

nothing I can do and it's not big and

57:22

I wish I could .

57:24

Yeah , yeah , yeah yeah .

57:26

Get it done anywhere .

57:28

One of those like perfect little areas where it

57:31

was like an acre plot , two houses on the side

57:33

and then it was like a horse farm

57:36

and then public land , and

57:38

like they just come off that public land and just chill in

57:40

that one acre and they go back out

57:42

, you know , and they do their thing . And funny

57:45

enough , actually , when I shot that buck , I was supposed

57:47

to go out with one of my friends who , uh

57:49

, he's like he didn't

57:51

get me into hunting but he got me like uh

57:54

into , I guess , hunting uh

57:56

bigger caliber deer . You

57:58

know like he's one of those guys who shoots , he'll shoot

58:01

one or two deer every year

58:03

and they're like ginormous long island

58:05

deer and uh , so he got

58:07

me into , you know like passing up all like little bucks

58:09

and stuff like that . And we were

58:11

supposed to go to like one of his like real sweet spots out

58:14

in , like out east and like the hampton

58:16

somewhere , and uh , he

58:19

overslept , like didn't

58:21

, like wasn't answering his phone . I'm

58:23

texting him and call him . I'm like , god

58:25

damn , whatever , I'll just go to this one spot and

58:28

it's one of those local spots like two

58:30

minutes from my house and I'm

58:32

in there . I was late because he

58:34

overslept . We were supposed to go somewhere else and

58:37

I just get in there and like I'm

58:39

in the stand for like 10 minutes not even

58:41

10 minutes and it's like I

58:44

want to say it's like maybe a minute , two minutes after

58:46

legal shooting , like this deer just

58:48

comes walking up and I was like , oh man , this is

58:51

, he's done . So if

58:53

shout out to my friend and he didn't oversleep

58:55

that day , we would

58:57

be somewhere else .

58:59

That that's that's great , that that's that's

59:02

excellent to hear . So

59:05

we'll , we'll , we'll go a few more and

59:07

then , and then we'll get you going to listen , love

59:09

, to have you on love , love the product and everything

59:11

like that . Enjoy , enjoy , talking to you on Instagram

59:13

and everything like that as well . You

59:17

know so for

59:19

what ? Where ? Where do you want

59:21

to ? You know , move this brand and everything

59:24

like that . Like , what's your five-year plan

59:26

? Do you have a five-year plan ? Is there anything else

59:28

that you'd be also interested in ? You

59:30

know , getting into any , any ideas

59:33

like that ?

59:41

you any any ideas like that ? Um , yeah , I guess , and no , like I , I almost I have a five-year plan , but

59:43

I also don't like it's just kind of like , wherever this goes , it goes

59:45

. Like I said before , this

59:47

is not like the main thing I'm trying to

59:49

do . I

59:51

have a few other more I guess permanent

59:53

jobs , um , so

59:55

kind of like whatever happens with this , what happens

59:58

um , but also I I

1:00:00

do kind of have like not really a plan , more of

1:00:02

a vision , I guess , um , I

1:00:04

would say , in the next like five years , like

1:00:06

I definitely want to get um

1:00:10

. So I'm gonna be in a barber

1:00:12

shop and it's a , it's a local store here

1:00:14

on london island , so cornucopia , um , it's like

1:00:16

a health , it's like a trader , joe's , basically it's

1:00:18

like a local trader , joe's , um

1:00:20

and uh . So

1:00:22

there's how I went there and I got it in another local

1:00:25

barbershop . So , like , my goal is to get it

1:00:27

to like those places so

1:00:29

they can get it out to people . You know , like get it

1:00:31

out that way , versus me trying to sell to you

1:00:33

and sell to them and this person , um

1:00:36

. So number one I want to get into like more stores , um

1:00:39

, but I've also kind of been thinking about like changing

1:00:41

the name um from ridge

1:00:44

runner tallow to ridge runner outdoors , so that way

1:00:46

I could offer like other products , you

1:00:48

know , whether whatever it is hunting

1:00:51

, fishing , you know whatever anything

1:00:53

um . So that

1:00:55

was kind of like a . I've been thinking about

1:00:57

that just because , like , I do have like the

1:00:59

bowstring wax and I

1:01:01

do have some other ideas and like some

1:01:03

some prototype things that I've

1:01:05

made in the past

1:01:08

.

1:01:08

So it doesn't just , it doesn't just

1:01:10

hold you down to one , it kind of

1:01:12

broadens what , what you can do , and it . It

1:01:14

makes more sense when if you do get

1:01:16

into the other products and everything

1:01:19

like that . It makes more sense when you're

1:01:21

selling it Plus like you could just do more with

1:01:23

the page . You could just do a

1:01:25

lot more instead of just being tallowed because people are going to

1:01:27

be like , well , what the hell does tallow have to

1:01:29

do with fishing stuff ? If you want

1:01:32

to sell fishing stuff and

1:01:34

everything like that , yeah

1:01:41

, definitely to sell fishing stuff

1:01:43

and and everything like

1:01:46

that .

1:01:46

So , yeah , definitely , you know . So that's at

1:01:50

the end of the day , uh . But yeah , like I guess kind of at the end of the day , like

1:01:52

I don't want this to just be like another towel company

1:01:54

or another like outdoors company . Like , like I said , I want

1:01:56

to kind of mesh both like hunt , like outdoors

1:01:59

, and fitness together . You know , um

1:02:01

, so people who are

1:02:04

hunting and fishing , like for

1:02:06

for the lifestyle , not just to

1:02:08

say like , oh , I hunt and I fish . You know , like

1:02:10

people who hunt to fill the freezer , people who fish

1:02:13

to fill the freezer , you know who

1:02:15

now also use the tallow

1:02:17

, or like the bowstring wax . You know , um

1:02:19

, so I guess that's kind of like like the people I want to

1:02:21

attract or or

1:02:23

eventually turn people into those people . You know , um

1:02:26

, like that's like my ultimate goal . You know , obviously

1:02:28

, as a personal trainer , like I wanted to turn people fit

1:02:31

. You know , as now a

1:02:33

hunter , like I want to help people hunt . So if I

1:02:35

can turn people from not

1:02:37

hunting and being unhealthy to

1:02:39

hunters who are now healthy , like that's

1:02:41

a win-win in in every situation

1:02:43

yeah , no

1:02:45

, I I definitely agree , and that would

1:02:47

be that'd be pretty cool um aspect

1:02:50

to you I'd be very interested in into

1:02:52

doing that .

1:02:53

Um , you know that , and because that's always like just

1:02:57

the whole fitness thing , like if you're

1:02:59

, I think if you're you're a diehard hunter

1:03:01

, like that kind of comes into it , especially

1:03:03

if you're like that mobile hunter and everything like

1:03:05

that , your fitness , your , your well-being

1:03:08

, making sure you're , you're working out , you're being

1:03:10

active and you know you're eating

1:03:12

the , the right foods and everything like

1:03:14

that is on on top of you know having

1:03:16

the tallow and other

1:03:19

whatever skin products else there

1:03:21

are out there . So

1:03:23

I think that that would be really unique because

1:03:25

, like , I think , yet again , that's something that is

1:03:27

, you know , our fitness , our

1:03:29

fitness education , our health

1:03:31

is just starting to grow even

1:03:34

more honestly . Since COVID , it's really , really

1:03:36

, I think , boomed and to being

1:03:38

a whole different , different level now

1:03:40

. So I I think offering something like that would

1:03:42

be very beneficial um

1:03:44

as well , um but

1:03:47

you know what I was like good

1:03:51

no , no , no , I I was you go

1:03:53

no , I was

1:03:55

just gonna say like , um , I

1:03:57

taken like this certification course in the past

1:03:59

and like shout out to my good friend , brian

1:04:01

Costello for coming

1:04:03

up with like this whole thing . So it's called O2-3

1:04:07

. Basically

1:04:09

, what it is is like when you go to

1:04:11

, like you hire a personal trainer , or like

1:04:14

you hire a nutritionist , nutritionist , or even

1:04:16

like join a jiu-jitsu school , like you're

1:04:18

only thinking about that one hour . Quote

1:04:20

unquote one hour . You know , people do more , a little

1:04:23

bit less , right , but the general class is

1:04:25

one hour out of your day , right ? So

1:04:27

, um , I was trained in

1:04:29

the principles of 023 , right . Like

1:04:31

how do you make the other 23 hours better

1:04:34

? Right , because what most people do is they go to crossFit

1:04:36

, they go to Jiu Jitsu , they do the one hour

1:04:38

and they're like cool , now I can just go home

1:04:40

like drink beers , do this , do that , you know . So

1:04:42

it's like the other 23 hours just canceled

1:04:44

out that one hour , you know , and

1:04:50

are probably actually set you back , you know . So , once again , that's like kind of how I , at least in my

1:04:52

personal life , like at least in my personal

1:04:54

life , like put them together , right , like my

1:04:57

one hour is fitness , whether

1:05:02

it's me going to the gym , whether it's me swinging kettlebells on the beach or me going to jiu-jitsu

1:05:04

right , that's like my quote unquote fitness . But then I have other , the other 23

1:05:06

hours , right , so you

1:05:08

call them the pillars of performance . Right , so you have movement

1:05:11

, mindset , sleep and nutrition , right

1:05:13

, so movement could be hunting , could be walking

1:05:15

a mile to your tree , stand , it could be jujitsu

1:05:17

, whatever . Mindset , like

1:05:19

your mind is a muscle , so you should

1:05:21

think about using it right , read , do

1:05:24

podcasts , talk to interesting people , talk

1:05:26

to people who are smarter than you . Sleep

1:05:29

, obviously we all know sleep is a huge , important

1:05:31

thing in health . And

1:05:35

then mindset , sleep and nutrition

1:05:37

. Nutrition , um , and then , obviously , what do we eat ? Right , and that's

1:05:39

how , once again , how hunting and fishing plays

1:05:41

into this whole thing

1:05:43

. Uh , so I kind of want to like piggyback

1:05:47

off of what he taught me through the 023

1:05:49

like and their principles , and now

1:05:51

kind of how to do

1:05:53

it like , uh

1:05:55

, in like a modern

1:05:58

, like old school way . Right , like

1:06:00

we should be living using

1:06:02

all these principles , using , you know

1:06:04

, eating meat and eating , you know , vegetables that we grow

1:06:07

, right , but it's like , not quote-unquote

1:06:09

modern . Like modern is

1:06:11

like going and going to Whole

1:06:13

Foods and just grabbing something off the hot plate and like

1:06:15

going back to work , you know

1:06:17

. So at the end of the day

1:06:19

, I just kind of want to combine everything that I love

1:06:21

to do and like show people that it's

1:06:24

not as like crazy as

1:06:26

you may think it is . You know , it could

1:06:28

be crazy like people look at me and they're like you're out

1:06:30

of your mind , yeah , like . So

1:06:33

it could be like as crazy as you want it to

1:06:35

be . But it could also just be very simple and

1:06:37

easy , like at least for me , that's

1:06:39

what I try and is just simplify everything . Like if it's

1:06:41

too , I don't say if it's too hard , like

1:06:43

I'm not gonna do it , but if it's too many steps

1:06:45

, too many moving parts , like it's

1:06:48

not for me . You know , I just give me something easy that

1:06:50

I can do and I can implement right away .

1:07:09

Yeah , now , that's that's perfectly said and , you know

1:07:11

, really , really unique . And I love also how you said , you know , also with

1:07:13

mindfulness too , and it's about our brain and you to lack

1:07:15

now , because they watch a lot of tv now they , they're

1:07:18

on their phones a lot now they're not reading , they're not

1:07:20

, you know , using

1:07:22

their brain in the way that they shouldn't , should

1:07:24

be . And you know , I think that's been a huge

1:07:27

concern , like I work in the psychiatric field

1:07:29

with , with children and I see

1:07:31

it every day . Like they do not , they

1:07:33

don't even know how to tell time . They're not

1:07:35

, and that's that's . They're not taught

1:07:38

how to tell time , like they no longer teach

1:07:40

, you know yeah , the classic

1:07:42

way that , yeah

1:07:45

yeah , they're good at their phones and

1:07:47

and that's great , like they they can , they can tell

1:07:50

you everything about their phones and all this technology

1:07:52

, but which , yes , it's

1:07:54

for , which is useful , because that's the way

1:07:56

our world's going into . But like reading

1:07:58

still porn . Knowing your history is so important

1:08:01

, like knowing you know , just

1:08:03

, you know simple math and and

1:08:05

everything like that is you know , is going to , or

1:08:08

the simple people skills , having

1:08:10

holding a conversation with somebody . You

1:08:13

know , proper business etiquette .

1:08:15

They don't , they don't , they don't , they don't know how to do

1:08:17

that yeah , pay taxes

1:08:20

, how to write a check , like , how to do any like

1:08:22

normal things , you know , yeah

1:08:24

, normal everyday stuff , yeah

1:08:27

, but like they can , you know , do some

1:08:29

crazy geometry that like you're never going

1:08:31

to use , or algebra , and

1:08:33

that's why I keep telling , I tell

1:08:36

my kids I go listen .

1:08:37

They're like hey , you know . They're like mr mike , can you help

1:08:39

me with , you know , with this homework and I literally will

1:08:41

look at it . I'm like , first

1:08:43

of all , I haven't done this since high school

1:08:46

. Second of all , I remember when

1:08:48

I was doing math in high school and my

1:08:50

mom said that they change

1:08:52

everything and like every how many

1:08:55

years . Like math changes , it

1:08:57

is the most truest thing in the world

1:08:59

. Because I'll be like , oh , no

1:09:01

, well , okay , like I think I remember this , this is how

1:09:03

you're supposed to do it . And they're like uh , no

1:09:05

, that what they didn't teach us , like this is how

1:09:07

we're , and I'll just look at it like , yeah , no , I'm

1:09:09

a , I'm a big reader . Um , I love to read . Um , obviously

1:09:22

, I read a lot of military books and and

1:09:24

stuff like that , um , travel books . I

1:09:26

I used to read a lot of history stuff . Now

1:09:28

my reading has gone down in

1:09:31

recent years just because of how busy I am

1:09:33

, working all the time . But the fiance

1:09:35

and I we will go through periods of time where

1:09:37

we we start to read before bed

1:09:39

every , every night for like an hour , um

1:09:42

, and if I get really hooked on on

1:09:44

a new book or something like that . Like I

1:09:46

pick that over watching tv and I'll , I'll literally

1:09:49

I could finish books within if it's interesting

1:09:51

to me , within like a day , maybe

1:09:53

not even a day if I , if I really get into

1:09:55

it . How about you ?

1:10:03

Oh nice , I'm kind of the same thing I like to read , but like it's one of those things like

1:10:05

if , like , I get into it , I read a lot , and then

1:10:07

you know , for whatever reason I get out of it , and then I don't

1:10:10

pick up a book for like six months . You know exactly

1:10:12

how . I am , but I

1:10:14

was gonna say you should check out unplugged . Um

1:10:17

, it's a book like about how

1:10:19

to unplug yourself from technology

1:10:21

. Uh , it just gives you like tips and

1:10:23

tricks on you know how to I

1:10:26

guess , for the lack of a better term unplug yourself

1:10:29

but actually one of my . One

1:10:32

of my favorite quotes came out of that book

1:10:35

. It's to

1:10:38

upgrade your biology . You

1:10:40

have to downgrade your technology , and

1:10:42

it's like a lot of people don't do that . You know they think about

1:10:45

like , oh , I have to get this Fitbit or I have to . You

1:10:47

know , I have to get 10,000 steps or I

1:10:49

have to get , like , my heart rate

1:10:51

into this zone . You know it's like what , like

1:10:54

honestly , what most people need is none of

1:10:56

that . You , this zone . You know it's like what like honestly , what most people need

1:10:58

is none of that . You know they need to get rid of all that technology and just simplify

1:11:00

things .

1:11:00

You know that's smart , that

1:11:02

, because that is a huge thing . Like working

1:11:04

where I work , it's like all the nurses

1:11:06

, we're all like we need to get to 10 000 steps

1:11:08

. We need to get to 10 000 steps . Like 10 000

1:11:11

steps . It's one more when we're at work , like 10

1:11:13

000 steps . That's , that's the goal . And

1:11:16

like you'll see us like we're tracking our watch , like okay

1:11:18

, nope , I need to get up and I need to start moving again , like

1:11:20

I'm not where I should be in and you know

1:11:22

it's . You start concentrating on that same

1:11:24

thing with the heart rate thing , like that , that

1:11:26

was perfectly set too , because I I look at that and

1:11:28

like a lot of things , like oh yeah , you , your heart rate

1:11:30

needs to be like this . You know it has to hit

1:11:32

this zone and has to , you know , for this

1:11:34

amount of time , and then you want it to slow

1:11:36

it down and you want to do this and you want to do that

1:11:38

. And it's technology . But like

1:11:41

everything is on our phones now , everything

1:11:43

is on our watches now , like calories

1:11:46

, you know your everything , your

1:11:48

O2 levels are on it now . Like

1:11:50

this phone can do an EKG , my

1:11:53

watch can do an EKG and everything like that

1:11:55

. It's absolutely insane .

1:11:58

I always tell people like especially like the younger kids

1:12:00

that I work with like all

1:12:03

that stuff is going to get you five percent . Like

1:12:06

if you want to get better , the last five percent

1:12:08

. Like if you're LeBron James and

1:12:10

you know , or if you're like the head of the head

1:12:12

in your sport , like then it makes sense

1:12:14

because you're dealing with everybody else

1:12:16

. Who's the head of the head , you know , but it's

1:12:18

like for almost

1:12:21

everyone , 95 percent of , like

1:12:23

your workload or your output , whatever

1:12:25

you want to call it like is pretty , is good

1:12:27

enough . You know . Like that last , like five

1:12:29

percent and like I , you can even argue it's

1:12:31

probably even less , probably two percent . You

1:12:34

know , um is really

1:12:36

like all that stuff is , it's . It's like if

1:12:39

you just don't focus on that and focus on the other

1:12:41

95 , it's just , it's the same

1:12:43

thing as the 023 principle , right , it's like everybody's

1:12:45

so focused on that one hour but they forget about the

1:12:47

other 23 . Same thing with this

1:12:50

. It's like everyone's so focused on that last two percent

1:12:52

of . Oh , how can I get , you know , my , my

1:12:54

jump higher , my , my , you know this faster , that

1:12:56

faster . You know whatever percent better

1:12:59

you know , but it's like you're forgetting

1:13:01

about , like all the other things , like how about

1:13:03

sleeping , how about eating correctly , how about

1:13:05

doing this . You know , it's like your day-to-day , like

1:13:07

you know things that you should be doing yeah

1:13:10

, yeah , no , it's that

1:13:12

.

1:13:12

That's really interesting and you know it's . Oh

1:13:16

, man , I would love to dive deeper into

1:13:18

next time . We we should do like a podcast

1:13:20

all about that and and definitely dive , dive

1:13:23

deeper into it . And you know , kind of

1:13:25

we can easily connect it to hunting and and everything

1:13:27

like that , because it

1:13:30

applies to everything that we do in this world

1:13:32

today . Um , yeah

1:13:34

, you know , I , I got one

1:13:37

more , one more question for you . I gotta ask

1:13:39

um , everyone

1:13:42

who comes on this podcast , I always

1:13:44

record it down , I always write it down . This

1:13:46

is a statistic that we have through the podcast

1:13:49

. What would your dream hunt be

1:13:51

and where ? And it could be anywhere for

1:13:53

two weeks . What

1:13:55

would it be ?

1:13:58

oh man , dream hunt . It would have to

1:14:00

be alaska , just because I always wanted to go to

1:14:02

alaska , um , and

1:14:06

then I mean I would

1:14:09

, I would love to shoot an elk just

1:14:12

because of , like , I hear how delicious it is

1:14:14

and all that stuff , um , but

1:14:16

I mean I don't know , moose in alaska

1:14:18

is probably there we go

1:14:21

.

1:14:22

I get so excited . So I've

1:14:25

been doing this podcast , I think what ? On three

1:14:27

or four years , now four years , and

1:14:30

this would always be like one of the questions

1:14:33

I would always ask , since , like day one and

1:14:35

in the beginning , for the first two years when

1:14:38

I wasn't tracking it , it was elk

1:14:40

, elk , elk , elk , elk . There

1:14:42

would be some moose mixed in there , but elk

1:14:44

was definitely dominating and winning . I

1:14:47

started taking notes last year in statistics

1:14:49

in 2023 , moose

1:14:51

one . You are now the

1:14:54

second interview of 2024

1:14:56

and so far , moose is up

1:14:58

to nothing . We had main moose

1:15:01

. Uh , in yesterday's recording we

1:15:04

have alaskan moose with you . I'm an alaskan

1:15:06

moose guy . Like that is my dream , um

1:15:09

, and I I think moose is . I think moose

1:15:11

is getting more and more popular because

1:15:14

I think , if you look , if you're talking about

1:15:16

dream , not

1:15:19

many people are going to be able to accomplish a

1:15:21

moose hunt in alaska , but

1:15:23

I think a elk hunt is way

1:15:26

more achievable and way

1:15:28

easier to go do than

1:15:31

a moose hunt . I think people are starting to understand

1:15:33

that because now more and more people are going

1:15:35

out to colorado , new mexico and all these places

1:15:37

to hunt elk and

1:15:40

the next thing on the list it's

1:15:42

moose and that might be . You might not

1:15:44

be able to do that . Like in all honestly

1:15:46

, like how many people actually get to go

1:15:48

on a moose hunt , like I've only interviewed I

1:15:50

think two , two

1:15:52

people who've gone to alaska and hunt moose . I

1:15:55

think one , one person that went to Maine

1:15:57

to hunt moose out of 150

1:16:00

, this will be 58 , 59

1:16:02

episodes .

1:16:04

Yeah , I mean , if you just ask me animal , I'd probably

1:16:06

say elk , but location

1:16:09

and animal is definitely Alaskan

1:16:11

moose .

1:16:12

Well , I'm taking a lot . I'm taking Alaskan . Listen

1:16:14

. Moose is amazing too . I will tell you , I'm

1:16:16

taking a lot . I'm taking Alaskan Listen moose is amazing too , I will tell you , I think , yet again , just

1:16:19

because people don't get to eat it nearly as

1:16:21

often . Yes

1:16:23

, elk is one of my favorites

1:16:25

, without a doubt . Hands down , moose

1:16:28

is right up there , like moose , bear

1:16:30

elk it

1:16:32

is . Yeah , I'm big bear guy , big

1:16:35

, big bear bear guy . We talk about a lot on the podcast

1:16:37

. That is a . Those three right there are

1:16:39

like the

1:16:41

creme of the creme . Like you . You're never gonna go

1:16:43

wrong with with any of those three . But

1:16:48

, um , brandon , you know , I

1:16:50

want to thank you so much for coming on . Are there any last

1:16:52

words that that you got ?

1:16:57

uh , you ? No , I mean just thank you for having

1:16:59

me . Uh , I would , I would love to do this again

1:17:01

whenever you want . Uh , you know , we could dive into

1:17:03

some more stuff about hunting , fishing , health

1:17:06

, fitness , all that stuff . Um

1:17:08

, I guess if anyone wants to follow

1:17:11

me , you can follow me personally . It's b

1:17:13

remy fit , so it's b r-e-m-y

1:17:15

f-i-t . Underscore . Um

1:17:20

the . The tallow page is ridge

1:17:22

runner tallow co . So

1:17:24

, um , you can just search ridge

1:17:26

runner tallow , it'll . It'll pop up . Um

1:17:29

, possibly soon I might be

1:17:31

changing that , but it's , you

1:17:33

know , not anything within

1:17:35

that couple days for for now

1:17:37

, it is going to be rich runner tallow

1:17:40

if it does change .

1:17:41

Obviously , all the listeners and all their you

1:17:43

know , all their followers , you guys , you guys will

1:17:45

know , um , you know this is something

1:17:47

that we plan on . You know , working

1:17:49

with you . You know through on out , and

1:17:51

you know I love the product and everything like that and

1:17:54

anything that you need from us , um

1:17:56

, any help , anything like that . Listen , feel

1:17:58

free , reach out . Hopefully

1:18:01

, one of the events that we do you'll , you'll be able

1:18:03

to come and stuff like that . We would like

1:18:05

to to have you know some of your stuff

1:18:07

there too as well . Like

1:18:10

I said , anything that you need , please

1:18:12

feel free reach out and you know , thank

1:18:14

you so much for coming on yeah

1:18:17

, no , I really .

1:18:17

I really appreciate it . I was actually gonna . I was thinking about

1:18:19

doing the . You guys are having the

1:18:21

dinner right that you sent me . I'm

1:18:23

actually competing jujitsu

1:18:25

that day , so that's the only reason .

1:18:27

Oh , really Okay . Hey

1:18:29

, listen , if you want , if you

1:18:31

want to send me some of your stuff and we'll listen

1:18:33

, I'll , I'll put it out , I I'll put

1:18:35

it in , and and for people to buy , you just

1:18:37

send me the prices over that that you want , uh

1:18:40

, people

1:18:45

to buy for . And you know , I imagine we'll , we'll , we'll get some , definitely

1:18:47

some people to to buy . And then you know , hopefully for the next one you got nothing

1:18:49

going on . It's going to be difficult , cause I know I think the next

1:18:51

one we'll do is we'll do some type

1:18:53

of event in summer I know it will be fishing

1:18:55

season , you know , but at some

1:18:57

point we will work on it where

1:19:00

maybe you'll have the day off and you can definitely

1:19:02

join .

1:19:04

No , definitely I'll make it a

1:19:06

point to either get out there or you

1:19:08

know we'll get together , Definitely

1:19:11

, definitely .

1:19:11

Well , thank you guys so much for listening

1:19:14

. Hope you guys enjoyed and we'll see you guys

1:19:16

next time .