0:00

There's a hundred master points and that's what pays off

0:02

a stream. So the label is giving producers like myself

0:04

three to six points a song out of a hundred,

0:06

out of a hundred and telling us that we're blessed

0:08

for it. And we're getting dinner with the CEO's like,

0:10

thanks for putting me on your record. Go flying yourself.

0:13

You advance me a million dollars and tell me I'm

0:15

rich to then find out that you're making $4 million

0:17

a night. When you found all this out, were you

0:19

in the middle of a tour? Yeah, I was in the

0:21

middle of a breakdown. I told my wife, I'm going to

0:23

work at McDonald's over. I'm not doing the same. Why is

0:25

he crazy? Why is this romantic depressive? Why is

0:27

this one? It's like don't

0:29

ever call artists crazy ever. You

0:32

have no idea. You have no idea. It's

0:39

not often I sit down with somebody and they say something

0:42

that makes me think. Brother, this was great. I love you

0:44

back. You gave

0:46

me something to think about. I

0:48

had a lot of fun on this interview. Hey,

0:50

before we get into today's episode, I just wanted to

0:53

let you guys know Phoenix August 1st, the

0:55

show's almost sold out. So if you're in Arizona

0:57

and you want to come see me, the George

0:59

Janko Show podcast, please, please, please hit the link

1:01

in the description, get your tickets now. It's my

1:03

first time performing in Arizona. And I'm so excited

1:05

to say that I think this is going to

1:07

be my first sold out show. So please do

1:09

not wait. Go get your tickets now. Welcome back.

1:11

I'm with John Bellion. Living

1:14

legend, bro. I can't wait to just dive

1:16

into this, but I got to fix myself. Hold on.

1:18

Hold this, babe. Hold this. I'm

1:21

so excited about this. Like the inner child of

1:23

me is going crazy because when I first

1:25

came to LA, a lot of you guys

1:27

know I interned at a recording studio.

1:29

And the whole time I was there, if I

1:32

wasn't washing the toilets or getting rejected

1:34

or fetching somebody

1:36

marble reds, I was I

1:39

was sitting there watching you in the studio cook

1:41

every day. Not in real life, but I would

1:43

watch it on YouTube. And you had these crazy

1:45

videos. You were vlogging before vlogging was

1:47

even like a like a

1:50

thing. And so I asked my

1:52

buddy Stenage, I go, hey, man, on a long shot. Any

1:55

chance you get me John Bellion? And

1:58

he goes, yeah, but he wants to meet you first. Oh my god, dude. What

2:00

if I meet him? He doesn't like me. We

2:02

hung out in the studio and then he's like This

2:04

is great. And it was like chapter one. I completed.

2:06

Okay, cool now. You get them on the show He's

2:08

like no, but come over to my house. Let's hang

2:10

out more and I'll say Jesus crowd I'm not sure

2:12

he's gonna meet Bell Bell. You better make sure you're

2:15

cool, bro That's

2:17

a train but before I even jump into

2:19

this I want to paint my my

2:21

POV of John and um Do

2:23

you are not let's take your talents aside because

2:25

we're gonna jump into all of that But you

2:27

as a human being bro watching you hang out

2:29

with your friends your family Looking

2:32

at the way you set up your home the

2:34

way you positioned yourself We

2:36

were blessed to see we the

2:39

work you're about to release. Here's a

2:41

little glimpse of how Bell responded It's

2:44

just one of the songs It

2:48

just makes you want to run you got emotional

2:50

she got emotional I Love

2:53

you so much. That was us by the way same here But

2:57

you you seem like you you have it

2:59

all on lock So today I

3:01

would love to not only dive deeper into who

3:03

you are as a human being. Yeah But

3:06

I'm not sitting here as an interview, but I'm sitting here as a

3:08

fan Oh man, been a fan for such

3:11

a long time. So thank you so much for coming

3:13

on the show and like Likewise

3:18

man, we when Sinaj texted

3:20

me Sinaj is a writer. He's a good

3:22

buddy of mine We haven't we hadn't spoken

3:24

in years. He was like, hey, there's a

3:27

dude wants to do a podcast I was like, I don't do

3:29

interviews that don't know I'm good. Then like I was telling you

3:31

yesterday like Some sort of like thing

3:34

in my mind was like, hey, at least go

3:36

check it out or something and I immediately saw

3:38

I Was telling you

3:40

yesterday not to just throw the compliments everywhere and

3:42

be fake about it. This is not genuine. It's like

3:44

I think you're it's

3:47

over for a lot of Outlets

3:50

and I think you're bringing something

3:52

that I

3:54

just think a lot of normal people that don't

3:56

necessarily need the electricity of we'll catch them in

3:58

this statement and we'll get that you're doing

4:00

something much different and seeing how you operated

4:02

with Tate or whoever as I was

4:04

asked to do this I was like wow

4:07

that's somebody that I would enjoy having a conversation with.

4:09

Dude honored yeah it's like super honored and

4:11

like again like not again we're not throwing out

4:13

the compliments just painting the picture of how we

4:15

met it's just it's a it's a really really

4:17

really crazy thing to go from like sitting there

4:19

watching you and be like I wonder if we're

4:21

ever gonna work together and hearing that compliment it's

4:23

just God's God's uh his plans

4:26

were really set in stone and I'm glad and

4:28

I'm super blessed but

4:30

I would love to jump to to your beginning because if

4:33

for some reason somebody doesn't know who John

4:35

Bellion is I want to by the end

4:37

of this episode I want them to know

4:40

everything about you. It's been six years since

4:43

the last time you released original music but

4:46

in the meantime you've just been dropping hits

4:48

after hits. By the way I've never heard

4:50

anybody say yeah I've been gone for a

4:53

while but yeah I've got a few blacks

4:55

and every single awards but they're

4:57

not mine I just created them and

5:00

then I go oh that's so cool and then

5:03

there's like a whole catalog of the things that

5:05

you created that your name's not even on and

5:07

I was like Jesus Christ like you are literally

5:09

like a heavy hitter at a different frequency. Oh

5:12

man thank you. Where did you start? Let's

5:15

just take it all the way back from

5:17

the beginning. Where did you even find out

5:19

you wanted to do music? How did you

5:21

get started? Who inspired you? Where

5:24

did you? I think I might have been

5:27

seven or eight my brother brought home a Triton keyboard

5:29

like he just bought it. My brother could play the

5:31

piano really well and

5:33

he was making beats on it and he's 10 years older than me so

5:35

anything he did was the coolest thing in the world. So it

5:38

just basically I watched him make beats and watch him make beats watch

5:40

him make beats and he'd be like yo don't touch this while I'm

5:42

gone don't touch this while I go to work so it was like

5:44

every time he left I'd like sneaking the room in the dark and

5:46

like I'm making beats on it. I'd record it on like a little

5:48

tape recorder and bring it to school play in the lunch room and

5:51

whatever so that's just kind of how it all started. I think

5:53

it was because my brother made music so I was like that's

5:55

what I'm gonna do because he's 10 years old than me like

5:57

I'm like whatever he does I'm doing. He plays basketball I'm playing

5:59

basketball. He makes beats on me and by the way, he's very

6:01

good at basketball This

6:04

is a best man, I'm only talking to

6:06

you guys I

6:09

did not know that I talked a lot

6:11

of shit. I actually sent him a meme

6:14

cut the clip of I

6:17

really I sent him ankle wraps. I said

6:19

here bring this when you play me Turns

6:24

out I should bring them when I play with this

6:27

I think when you have a basketball court in your backyard, you know,

6:29

he's probably out there a lot, you know I'll

6:34

get my I'll get my my game back. I

6:36

love it regardless Okay, so you have a bit

6:39

of water from anybody. I'm getting

6:41

that like nervous dry thing. You should

6:43

you shouldn't you should Make

6:46

this your home All

6:50

right, so your brother got you into it when did you

6:52

start taking it seriously like okay So yeah, you you by

6:54

the way, that makes a lot of sense why you started

6:56

with drums, right? Cuz that's a drum pad. Yes, it

6:59

has a drum pad on it Yeah, and you're if

7:01

you watch John in the studio He was docking the

7:04

way that you had these drums you like to go

7:06

in and out of the pocket So you follow this

7:08

rhythm and I liked it just from

7:10

a like an aspect of a dancer I love the

7:12

way you were going in and out of the pocket

7:15

So did you start with drums and then you were

7:17

like, oh, I'm just gonna create beats like I'm

7:19

like Kanye I'm gonna create beats, but I'm also

7:21

gonna sing on it or were you into writing

7:24

music? When did that because bro like you've

7:26

written? Ridiculous ridiculous music

7:29

and I don't know if anybody's ever gotten

7:31

into writing music if you write one hit

7:33

song We'll talk about the naj right? I

7:35

look at the naj as one of the

7:37

most talented human beings I've ever met but

7:40

his catalog is nowhere

7:42

near yours, but I still look at his

7:44

like that's Incredible Life

7:48

super town is incredible for you to be able to

7:50

just keep doing that every time you go up to

7:52

bat, bro Like I'm a huge Jonas Brothers fan the

7:54

last album that they had was incredible when I was

7:56

on stage or when they're on stage I turned to

7:58

Bella and I was like man This is really good.

8:00

They came they came swinging and they're like we

8:02

got help from John Bellion. I go now I

8:04

know why Okay, so you're

8:07

able to go and let's let's give like the

8:09

Jonas Brothers is an example, right? You're able to

8:11

listen to them and say okay cool now I'm

8:13

gonna take what you're creating and I'm gonna run

8:16

it with this direction and you You

8:18

were telling me you would put on a cowboy

8:20

hat and you would you have a must and

8:22

you get into this character, bro That's a huge

8:24

difference from sneaking into your brother's room playing on

8:27

a drum like it Your where does

8:29

your fuel come from where did the the aspect

8:31

of you being like, okay cool Like no one's

8:33

ever said it like this or done it like

8:35

this and I'm gonna create it like this Was

8:38

it purposeful or just accidental? Yeah, I'm telling you.

8:40

I think it's just I Think

8:42

God planted a desire to do it all the time

8:44

and I and every day that I do it. She's

8:47

funny I'm already getting emotional. Like I haven't done any of

8:49

you a long time. Just I get to do this every

8:51

day Can you do me one favor? Yeah Yeah,

8:54

absolutely You get to do this every

8:56

day. That's all I'm doing I'm just

8:58

doing this every day over and over

9:00

and over and over and over It's

9:03

like even when I was an artist or even

9:05

now It's just like it's like the recognition and the

9:07

thing is like I battle with that It's like when do

9:09

you talk or when do you just get the job done?

9:12

Or when do you go and promote yourself to remain relevant

9:14

to do it? But in the meantime, I'm just I'm just

9:16

having a blast. I'm having a blast. I work. I

9:18

got my sons upstairs I got my wife. I live here

9:20

play ball come in and I make music every day I

9:22

make music every day and the

9:25

idea of getting better and better and doing it

9:27

over and over and over is like Like

9:29

you said the idea with the Jonas Brothers was like Them

9:32

approaching me. I never thought that do

9:34

you have any ideas of what it could be and yeah Like

9:37

we could change we could change the whole sound of what you guys

9:39

do Whether they want to follow through and

9:41

whether it becomes they burn the bridge of the old stuff

9:43

and want to move forward It's like oh my gosh. I

9:45

have an opportunity to like work with One

9:48

of the fabrics in culture one of the threads

9:50

in culture It's like wow that's you put on

9:52

an American jacket the Jonas Brothers are a thread

9:54

in that jacket So if that thread was to

9:56

make a different color than it ever has before

9:58

I could be the one one to shoot a

10:00

ripple out into culture or whatever to change that. It's

10:03

like, and whether it's commercially successful or if this, and

10:05

people think that Jones Brothers is supposed to be a

10:07

way that they can't make a song like vacation eyes

10:09

or song like walls or whatever. You come to me,

10:11

if you, if people say you can't like be something

10:13

I want to, sorry, I get passionate.

10:16

People say you want to, you can't be

10:18

something that I want to be the guy to come to because

10:20

I'm not, let's, let's do it. Yeah. And

10:22

I've been that way forever. Cause it's just like, man, we

10:24

have the opportunity to make anything at any point at any

10:26

time. We don't have to follow, we don't have to follow

10:29

anything. So I think I'm just, I'm just doing that every

10:31

day. It's not even like I'm like, I'm going to have

10:33

hits every day. Cause you drop a, you drop a record and

10:35

culture either takes it or it doesn't. So you just have to

10:37

enjoy, which if I wasn't enjoying what I was doing or making

10:39

stuff that I didn't think was great, it's

10:41

literally, what are we doing here? If I was worried about

10:44

the way that it was going to take. So

10:46

to answer your question, what happened from me making beats

10:48

to the

10:50

beaver or the Jones brothers or John

10:53

Batiste or Quincy Jones or people have,

10:55

there is, there are people I've worked with, whatever that, that

10:57

whole span is just like, Oh my gosh, I get to

10:59

go, I get to go do that. Were you ever nervous

11:01

working with these type of artists? Like, was there ever a

11:03

beginning as a young, as a young man, you were like,

11:05

Oh man, like I got to like, I

11:09

was in the studio with CeeLo Green and Narl's Barkley

11:11

was like one of my, like, it's just like a

11:13

palette of inspiration for me. I'm just like, wow. It

11:15

was very soulful. Oh my God. I know his, his

11:17

vocal ability is just ridiculous. And I had my computer

11:19

set up and he was like, you just

11:22

like, and he didn't, I think he's one of the best

11:24

artists like ever. So it's like being

11:27

with him as a young man. You idolize people. So

11:29

then you think it's different than what it is. And

11:31

then you get a little more data this time goes

11:33

on because you take the curtain off the wizard of

11:35

odd. You realize it's a whole, we'll get into that.

11:37

Cause I want to, I want to follow that journey

11:39

cause that's really cool. And also I love your heart.

11:41

So like you see a lot of people in the

11:43

industry when they're at the level that you're at in

11:45

their field, they get bitter because

11:47

they're tired of like the atmosphere and it's

11:50

really cool. I don't think you are, man.

11:52

I don't think you're bitter. Your Passion. And like your love,

11:54

your genuineness and the way that you, I mean, you just

11:56

start talking about your passion, but will you love to do?

11:58

You get choked up and that shows. Inequality Music

12:00

the you make I mean all the

12:02

song the way for all these other

12:04

incredible are innocent young the you write

12:06

for yourself the quality music and lyrics

12:08

you can hear and feel your passion.

12:10

They you got big I prefer you for

12:12

himself was new feel like they cannot live

12:15

without a are we allowed to speak about

12:17

any additional stuff as you're working as a

12:19

lot before we get a because I'm so

12:21

excited to dive into the Ansari are among

12:23

the my to do you ever create stuff.

12:27

Like. In a perspective where you're

12:29

like, okay, I'm ready for so and so but

12:32

who. This is my song. I'm going to

12:34

give it a them or and you rights of

12:36

the for you like this is not mine. This

12:38

is for sewn So yeah despite what does that

12:40

feel like requests but vote For the last six

12:42

years and seven years there has been to. Vegas.

12:45

To like this is the time to talk about this

12:47

has been. it's a process that long enough and I

12:49

can kind of like generally announced what really happened and

12:51

whatever but I've always phone and I love with the

12:53

idea of peep of notoriety and whatever so being in

12:56

ours was always have a battle for me it was

12:58

some sort of like weird like. Fight.

13:01

Or something to that degree. But. Basically.

13:03

When. I. Got to replace in my career we

13:05

sold our ten thousand people who jones be singing was

13:07

it was like the height of everything for me and

13:09

it was right around the time I figured out how

13:11

my live nations contract works and was right around time

13:13

I figured out how my record your actually worked at

13:16

how them a you feel. Oh. Man it's

13:18

a was like panic attacks it was like oh my

13:20

gosh of a plus beagle see like I'm never going

13:22

to pay this back and will be on a road.

13:25

Eleven months a year just front of a best

13:27

we can get into that had also like this

13:29

and phrase you can think about a year at

13:31

that the at the very very top. But then

13:33

there's a saying that people to understand it's the

13:35

business part of it and live Nation and live

13:38

nation is. That. They're they're they're going.

13:40

told they're getting everybody com and twelve way for us

13:42

to that we can get into that and that's what

13:44

I'm are you would live nation not I peed myself

13:46

out of the deal and the had to pay twenty

13:48

five percent extra on what they advanced me. But it's

13:51

like when you figure that out on the road and

13:53

you're thinking man's why don't we buy. Why?

13:55

Did we buy three hundred rolls of toilet paper? Why?

13:58

Do we have to? get? Then this

14:00

much on catering everyday no one's eating the

14:02

pizza, were throwing out pot would. Wheezing.

14:04

What him a contract says is that their monies us and

14:07

this much on catering and it comes out of my pocket

14:09

now. but then I have to pay in advance back. And

14:11

by the way, the advanced as you have to give me. Is.

14:14

Only on hard ticket sales so cause of

14:16

called peanuts, parking and alcohol. So when I

14:18

sell outs and thousand people a Jones beach.

14:21

The. Person who buys a twenty dollar Hawthorne? I don't see

14:23

a dime of that. The person who buys. Forty.

14:25

Hours for parking. I don't see a dime of that.

14:27

and the person who buys a twenty dollar Voc in

14:29

Red Bull I don't see a dime of that. And

14:31

then you advance me a million dollars and tell me

14:33

I'm rich to then find out that you're making four

14:35

million dollars a night. and I'm It takes me thirty

14:38

six shows to pay back the one million dollars you

14:40

advancement. Is. It alone. it's all

14:42

it's I say. it's a fake loans that

14:44

is. It's like we're We're gonna give you

14:46

alone so you can make our money off

14:48

of your creation. yes on buffy effect And

14:50

then it hit me. Oh my gosh the

14:52

they own all the then use as a

14:54

monopoly So the now they just want my

14:56

body in this room so they can sell

14:58

food and alcohol and whatever. So then they're

15:01

going to make times of money and then

15:03

they got me like slip and around the

15:05

United States. Talk about will be famous. Been

15:07

on Instagram trying to be this that month

15:09

or so When you figure that out. And

15:11

at the time is right When I first got with my

15:13

wife was having panic attacks and say wait a second. With.

15:17

Joe smoke his twenty dollar for a hotdog and

15:19

I don't see that. And if I'm only making

15:22

my best back on hard ticket sales, that means

15:24

I have to sell out every single venue in

15:26

order to not go in the red because I'm

15:28

only paying my advanced that on hard ticket sales.

15:30

And by the way, they reserve the right in

15:32

the contract to put the tickets on sale. So

15:35

when it's one hundred dollars a ticket, they do

15:37

their summer blowout sales. The tickets are only ten

15:39

dollars. So. Instead of me paying

15:41

back ninety dollars a ticket right before his or

15:43

not or the drop zone billion sale in the

15:46

tickets are only ten dollars. We.

15:48

Get into it is buzzing. You have to pay back the

15:50

million dollars they gave you off of ten dollars to get

15:52

rather than the named you. They told you that we're gonna

15:55

sell the tickets for that. Now you're doing arenas, now you're

15:57

doing bigger shows. And. They're like a gutsy common

15:59

pool sensitive. And your fellow building was

16:01

when he found all this out where you in the

16:03

middle of a tour? Real still. Had out I was in

16:05

the middle of a of a breakdown of in the middle of

16:07

like, or. Oh. My

16:10

god and then I'm like if that's the case

16:12

what is my record cause I would like one

16:14

of my publishing com to have you know money

16:16

I see what were we were was is where

16:18

was this business mine before you sign the papers

16:20

it is It's a business mine of young italian

16:22

kid with that only knows the lawyer in his

16:24

neighborhood That said. That when I

16:27

was paid ten thousand dollars when I found my

16:29

first posing deal, I thought I was rich forever.

16:31

You know this? I think that's the idea. I

16:33

think there's there's some whatever. Are going

16:35

to be some like zillion? This is the matrix

16:37

thing but like there is a group of people

16:39

that wait to prey on new ideas that are

16:42

coming from natural places to then put a amount

16:44

of front of you that is the most you've

16:46

ever seen your life and you're not realizing what

16:48

does this mean? Rama noodles every night you can

16:50

give me ten grand's make this when I was

16:52

sonam for a five dollars a pop. Like.

16:55

Also added by then you're like six. Four years

16:57

later you're like oh your kids and eighty six

16:59

the Cinema Rothys overseas and get it If you

17:01

have your first hit you like with as I

17:03

can the mess, Nothing nothing at all. Olympics are

17:05

on the news in this rights. They're absolutely editors

17:07

A Christian song that I just recently heard and

17:10

a says if it's not good, it's not over.

17:12

And. Other I love that lie because if

17:14

it's not good, that means are gods not done

17:17

with. Jackson says it as I'm so obsessed with

17:19

so far off because is so much information. But

17:21

you said, what's it like to make a hit

17:23

for. Or to. Make

17:25

a record for because the hit the

17:28

gun control yeah the culture control got

17:30

thought that a man I think you

17:32

control it is very humble of you.

17:34

I think I've never met a lot

17:36

of regulated organisers on. It

17:39

was. I. Was an artist for myself

17:41

and I was praying for myself and before.

17:44

By. The Grace of God. I had a giant record

17:46

with Eminem a real know right? That.

17:48

That based we for me to be like of aca

17:50

finally be an artist as I could use the money

17:53

I made from this to fund my orders career. For

17:55

the name of that are the monster yeah I'm from

17:57

says you control it may i I just look at

17:59

all. The I don't like I'm so

18:01

glad zoning and is no no no

18:04

no big deal on. His

18:07

heel my all the others you

18:09

still have recently is as old.

18:11

His brain starts talking with small

18:13

businesses such as a single I

18:15

figured the right arm. So.

18:18

When my whole contract things started to really

18:20

dissipated my mind, it's like it opened up

18:22

this whole reality of what this whole thing

18:24

was and I. Have

18:27

my wife as my witness. It was. Ten.

18:29

Thousand people don't beat him hometown. Crazy.

18:37

This. Early terrible to get emotional read

18:39

it's own. I

18:41

gotta say to see them from Don't. And

18:45

don't. See, stop

18:47

to that you said you're done. A definite

18:49

my door by an eye opener? Absolutely. But

18:51

it is like. I've had

18:53

to stamps millions of times of the last six years,

18:56

and. Have

18:59

been. So.

19:02

Blessed to make music for other people to keep.

19:04

My ideas, allies. Like.

19:09

Somebody. Beaver. Talented

19:11

people meant. That have decided

19:14

to work with me That. I'm.

19:16

In a better position now to

19:18

release monsters. I'm

19:21

going to have them aware of the go on a tear. But.

19:24

I want to move back home and

19:26

I just are.sights are are. These

19:29

limited as over for me at home away from

19:31

Umberger Mcdonalds sober I'm not doing say more about

19:33

the see you in the basement I'll work on

19:35

my friends will see what happens And it was

19:37

like. To

19:40

hit after hit after hit after hit at her

19:42

at it and I'm like. I'm

19:46

just very grateful looking back on it to the sake

19:48

of the for some muscle The source when you see

19:51

of our has awesome me on my phone. Haven't had

19:53

a for six years yeah that have to go to

19:55

youtube Yesterday it's still really went to W W I

19:57

got out of necessity. You

20:00

know dude I don't send i second this morning

20:02

by the way like just the place you a

20:04

picture we pull up to this beautiful house and

20:06

what I could cut this if you don't possess

20:08

but holds it is due to was another function

20:10

leave it. On

20:12

As beautiful as it was like, very humble of

20:15

her male like I I don't know how much

20:17

humor is. very on Last I pulled in and

20:19

I go Wow this is so beautiful like tunnel

20:21

and weird. He gave me the code to the

20:23

house and owns here's little invasive adding a bring

20:25

my batting. And like this because he thought

20:27

you were like to walk. In and send

20:29

So I walked in and and ago the

20:32

backyard and I slide opened the door and

20:34

I am looking out the back yard and

20:36

I see the neighbor I'm like wow that

20:38

is I'll be borrows and initiative as your

20:40

as he the grass and I was like

20:42

do it is I'm looking I'm sitting on

20:44

on on stones but I realize the stones

20:46

are continuing through a gate. To. Go

20:48

into this house and I go businesses can just

20:51

house had no way I don't know way this

20:53

is his gun house I turn on ago reader

20:55

think this is gatehouse broad the word is guest

20:57

house and we like now do this allows I

20:59

do not get that is the house my big

21:01

drake does broke I think he bought the national

21:04

announced the city goes know as it i sexting

21:06

a ago hey man he goes on over it.

21:09

Ended up to you about as he goes Yemeni get

21:12

that one nice and we get this is what he

21:14

is that you normally when my friend you know and

21:16

and my my friends from high school this and I'm

21:18

sitting. Here and this is the same guy that

21:20

I I I'm talking to in the studio was

21:23

by the way the first time we ever met

21:25

in the studio. we sat for four hours and

21:27

we got deep emotional. Some like. When.

21:29

In that bed just. It is not

21:31

that that goes walking towards vegetable curry

21:34

goes to follow to saw that you

21:36

had this new tell me about your

21:38

daughter go out a slap you in

21:40

the series. With

21:44

of guys I saw the share some behind the

21:46

scenes stuff because I do a fuck about sponsored

21:48

by my side the was a show you guys

21:50

that is what I used as a we just

21:52

came from L a Zo services and will rise

21:55

you're relaxing down job you has the gear set

21:57

up the roof set of everything from astronomical the

21:59

government whoever so the has talking about the media's

22:01

to hide a lot of brain fog because like

22:03

I just got done the car wreck to hear

22:05

the and I have all these things I have

22:07

to go through in my head and was does

22:09

how we got out of this is lines rain

22:11

from life cycle I just regulated Zebra mcconnell I

22:13

just kind of just such a seminar but they

22:16

usually do puzzles and like apple juice is the

22:18

put in your chassis to see have a coffee

22:20

but if you have to go to work and

22:22

clear some brain fog to just just or is

22:24

this bad boy our daughter the whole thing as

22:26

as as you have the whole thing if you

22:28

really want to try lion's mane. I hide

22:30

behind this thing is an animal for

22:32

product search. Drag it out. I do.

22:35

Dog is perspective and I saw that

22:37

you were put through a storm and

22:39

God was testing you and you have

22:41

to go through drops to be. And

22:43

then he showed me your new music.

22:45

You got you got they got to

22:47

hear it and I'm sitting here and

22:49

as I'm hearing this bro like. Goosebumps.

22:52

Through my spine I'm washing bell sob.

22:54

I cried already. I already knew what

22:57

was happening. The roof, The music was

22:59

like. It. So unbelievably at

23:01

a different level. Think.actually. we recorded every

23:03

moment of it because I think the

23:05

the most special part about being in

23:08

a studio with an audience and not

23:10

an audience. Or. The artist

23:12

and is that you get to shows with

23:14

your cooking in the kitchen and sometimes the

23:16

recipes and done yet is sometimes you're like

23:18

oh here but picture this as and I

23:20

we captured all of it. So when your

23:22

music that new drops they get to sit

23:24

in the studio watch you talk about a

23:26

lover that. Is something that a I

23:28

wish everybody. Got to experience with their

23:30

favorite artist and the love watching you

23:33

and your passionately expressing what you had

23:35

to go through to make this song.

23:38

I was like good. Yeah. I'm glad Gopal

23:40

Zones! All the new stuff is very reflective

23:42

of like eating my psyche starts the lyrics

23:45

or whatever. It's. Just started.

23:47

To. Just started popping out like this. One.

23:49

The records Just like. Very

23:52

gonna wake up Bobby A wake up wake up

23:54

Like what? What happens when it ways that don't

23:56

let them. Take you out of the don't

23:58

wake up you know? Forever. That's. Whedon

24:00

and are going on. I was going to drop

24:02

in or whatever but it's worth Bro like. This

24:04

is how I explain it. a shot at a

24:06

cure. He just he just passed away. He was

24:08

the creator of Dragon Ball Z my favorite. Our

24:10

enemy grown up like was on. That

24:14

Ceiling. And. Only people that

24:16

watch Dragon Ball Z would understand the

24:18

ceiling hearing that song. Sell.

24:21

To sensation of when you watch that character

24:23

try to beat up his enemy. and he

24:25

couldn't. He couldn't. He couldn't. He couldn't. He

24:27

couldn't It's everybody thinks she's down for the

24:29

count. And. Then there is a

24:31

spirit and him that grow so much stronger

24:33

than the elements around on that when the

24:35

enemy punches on and it just doesn't even

24:37

go see any any looking at him and

24:39

he smiles because he knows that an enemy's

24:41

not even on islam when he more that

24:43

he just when it's just like a that

24:45

part of the the goose well known us

24:47

that is what I stopped listening to your

24:49

song own personality. Lab burst of energy. To

24:52

never wanna be the guy that. We.

24:56

Don't want to be the anger guy that burns the

24:58

house doubt isn't an early says not does not my

25:00

that's not my new got to be that guy. but

25:02

you carrier and I am when you say. Taken.

25:05

Scream as they will. This is why this is

25:07

a i'm not putting out music in this. enough

25:09

with the com and aneurysm is as. For.

25:11

Sold for so long, not addressing it or not. whatever

25:14

because I just wanted to make music so was like

25:16

a man. As bother as

25:18

a leader as whatever like or I could

25:20

complain about it and turn it into all

25:22

thing or. Drop on

25:24

Not Bombs of Wreckers that by the time that

25:27

they say you know what, it's more worth for

25:29

us to give you your masters back. Only have

25:31

a little small piece of you so we can

25:33

tell people you're on our labeling releasing new music.

25:35

We'd rather do that and you be dormant as

25:38

I will. I'm going up and the have to

25:40

be a long climb of. Commercially

25:42

successful records and big records in his letter

25:44

which I can control that's all got so

25:46

psyched for. You know when I was on

25:48

could have just been like nominee stay back

25:50

there so many reasons why you could as

25:52

they battle that dollars but also to needs

25:54

to be honest though, work with the contractual

25:56

thing and at the same time to say

25:58

that I also wasn't manage. And confused

26:00

and. Checking. My

26:03

social media constantly and this is the it's the

26:05

conversation we all have that we pretend doesn't happen

26:07

in every artist does it and then we still

26:09

do the same thing that we should be doing

26:12

as artist like Kendrick Lamar. be my well out

26:14

our suicidal or some says or someone being like

26:16

I was suicidal or someone being like I had

26:18

all this money and it wasn't working on how

26:20

was money and it wasn't working on how the

26:23

success in a wasn't working. the whole wasn't filled.

26:25

I was ready to kill myself. I was the

26:27

most successful and though most depressed I've ever been,

26:29

I was that that place as well. It was

26:32

almost. Like. Ma'am I'm working for nothing.

26:35

But. I. Gotta feed the beast because if

26:37

I'm not relevant than the verge of literate. So to

26:39

say that it was like I'm just walking away because

26:41

my artistry is my contract. not right number super genius.

26:43

I'm a walk away and sort of I grew up

26:46

on that. It was also to like. I.

26:48

Just got married at the time I was like man

26:50

I the focus on being a husband a to focus

26:52

on like what orient myself and see what this whole

26:54

thing means to me and my relationship with the music

26:57

and while of a so much and so there was

26:59

other self worth that went on as when mr that

27:01

be known as that's because you can I could now

27:03

now the contract been reversed like I had his master

27:05

plan that that as but it was also like i

27:07

think i need a walk away from use like either

27:10

going to just. Let. It go

27:12

of this idol or this idea that I thought I

27:14

needed to have and dust the the real has base

27:16

I was in didn't have a plan and how this

27:18

will happen in there be an avalanche of records that

27:20

were successful or whatever that I had no you know

27:22

automatic the first that a year and I did kind

27:24

of to some degree from a bottle of they would

27:26

be like. Muslims. Is not put stuff

27:28

out in the phone clicked in and I said the Mo Afflict.

27:31

Would. Just like what did I to do?

27:33

The right aerials, studies you to be a biter?

27:35

Yes, so like you don't want to like he's

27:37

come back home where you've You've planted this beautiful

27:39

garden in this kingdom and then you're like I

27:41

can afford this kingdom anymore. Yeah, there's a lot of

27:43

pride. Lot of people lived there too ashamed to

27:45

bring up their pride. But that in what I love

27:47

about. yeah, I think this is why you're so successful.

27:50

You're not scared of showing your heart. Of.

27:52

This is I feel I'm scared right here and I

27:54

think that's the reason why you figure things out is

27:56

it's the showing your heart thing is that is. Yet.

27:59

You can't. The law were doing. This is

28:01

like. I've realized that

28:03

if I know for young producer or if

28:05

a writer's listening to this is is you

28:07

speaking in a certain way but like your

28:09

heart is only thing a half. The vulnerability

28:12

of looking stupid because you listen to what

28:14

your heart were saying is only thing path

28:16

I'd rather swing a grand slams all day.

28:18

I miss you Sarkies okey says until you

28:20

know that one and you're a genius you

28:22

are this or that was like my heart

28:24

the vulnerability of like I'm just having a

28:26

blast and city or I'm trying very hard.

28:29

Ss. I'm trying very

28:31

hard. Your producer in a writer. I try hard

28:33

every day. I try hard every day I wake

28:35

up and I want to make the best thing

28:38

that moves culture. That's the biggest record. This is

28:40

this bill. I want to and I'm trying. so

28:42

if I do fail. I. Actually felt

28:44

I wasn't like. I was

28:47

a sauna home on alcohol or record does

28:49

the it's his record doesn't work it didn't

28:51

work because I failed. I'm trying super hearts

28:53

and I'm putting my heart into it was

28:55

I believe their shoes and go to culture

28:57

and is is this a passionate about as

28:59

wasn't in the acceptance of the sometimes the

29:01

things are going to fail or not work

29:03

out or whatever in the acceptance of that

29:05

a cell or last six years working for

29:07

other people and serving other artist vision. Armoury

29:10

I'm for. I fell back in love

29:12

with the thing, which then like reinvigorated

29:15

my vulnerability and. Oh. And

29:17

and I'm like. Hey, your contract back.

29:19

You can make music You should. You can rightfully

29:21

make music again is like. Oh

29:24

my gosh, now I appreciate it more because I

29:26

let it go. Which becomes is now we have

29:28

our preceding this whole thing. way more or less

29:30

of that get emotional like math. Like.

29:32

I won already. Don't tell me about seventy

29:34

houses in this Senators like I got to

29:36

take six years. Be blessed while it was

29:38

happening. Make a bunch of records for amazing

29:40

artist and talented people and support their vision.

29:43

Try to help the mountains hey this sounds

29:45

take a risk in soccer fan bases. Get

29:47

any other. I was able to

29:49

do that while. Having a

29:51

proper healthy relationship with this whole thing and

29:53

then think it go left and right. I

29:55

mean success Since the blows up doesn't do

29:57

well, it could affect me, but. This.

30:00

Lot of gratefulness of just like man so sorry

30:02

I would only the presidential but now the idea

30:04

of like showing my heart is like that Love

30:06

realize now is like I wake up and I

30:08

try I wake up and show my heart my

30:10

vulnerability. The thing to do on trying to make

30:12

the best thing that makes you have goosebumps. the

30:14

did it did the did the i'm trying to

30:17

solve it doesn't work. The. Failure there.

30:19

I'm not going to shrouded in. Or

30:21

out of the time to shrouded in this

30:23

like as for care to like T? So

30:25

cool that he doesn't care what you know?

30:27

Scary. so cool and mysterious. Birth late where

30:29

we're not, we're in the studio and over

30:32

and your and your wife was. There.

30:35

In our asteroid. what does it feel to com

30:37

homes are faithful man. A or

30:39

a like a safe manner. In not just like seafood

30:41

that monogamy says Berlin early to his God type

30:43

of thing. Like for the devil to present everything

30:45

that he was there, a present to you. but

30:47

then you're like none are no. I'm.

30:49

Not going to play your game because I

30:52

do trust my god and he does have

30:54

good planes for me this reminds me of

30:56

a bible verse the i don't even know

30:58

if you really so it but you present

31:00

yourself as that characters on Jesus walking around

31:02

and is preaching and there was a blind

31:05

man and he goes use I just know.

31:07

That. If you, if you touch me I'll be healed. Diseases

31:10

spits into the dirt, makes mud, puts it

31:12

on his eyes and tells the man go

31:15

to the river and wash your face. The

31:17

here's the problem. We hear what we know

31:19

we need to do in our hearts right?

31:21

But the man is blind and he has

31:24

absolutely no idea how is going to get

31:26

to the river but he doesn't stop and

31:28

question is God and go war? What am

31:30

I going to? He's so full of faith

31:33

that he takes that step not being able

31:35

to see the step in front of him

31:37

because he truly is blind and John was

31:39

walking. Not. Being able to see. The.

31:42

Future. But you trusted in God and knowing

31:44

that you're gonna not going to feel you

31:46

he has a field you yet and so

31:48

it's so refreshing to see God's people at

31:51

the top bro in their freezer. Really appreciate

31:53

them. Very very proud of you for being.

31:55

I do wish it was as I'm. Like.

31:59

Stored book. Level the faith were what is

32:01

the the process is it is that the. Decomposition.

32:04

Of myself in a visitor that but in

32:06

enlisted grand scheme of it to see how

32:08

guys provided even in my weaknesses in even

32:10

in my moments of. Ego.

32:13

Or I'm not going the credit or my conscious.

32:15

never going to be rivers and god why do

32:17

you have me here even in those times me

32:20

saying yeah, what is the deal here this is

32:22

like that is it is a while also simultaneously

32:24

blessing me along the way with these records in

32:26

this whole thing it's been a very messy aim

32:29

at every human I phone.yeah yeah yeah I gotta

32:31

remember that I'm in Ohio is not dog if

32:33

anybody's looks at you with on sale at three

32:35

times that allergies I have no idea who that

32:38

guy has. Yes when we all. Feel him

32:40

but never fails. Are absolutely and.

32:42

Yet. It alleges it was I'm i

32:44

wish it was more storybook but it

32:46

it was very it's been it's been

32:48

a very trying. Testing.

32:51

Six years which. I

32:53

want to make that known to because again as

32:55

like you do not as bad as you don't

32:57

know where to when it happens when it when

32:59

it happens you can look back and you can

33:01

find a perfectly adjusted as to be the serendipitous

33:03

risk that I did but he wanted you to

33:05

say he just so humble brag let's these little

33:07

have a guy that that little say something to

33:09

build bridges was you're not my thing from this

33:11

protects john I know you either have known as

33:13

Isis I got alert average I rove with with

33:15

Airbus and like area learn not to like. Qualify.

33:18

Everything that that comfort that hope that you want. To

33:20

Boil: You want people to know your heart. Negated.

33:22

You know, your cousin's wedding? And places like I

33:24

just wish people could understand here my heart and

33:26

but I think that that's why you this or

33:29

the six years right get exactly what are you

33:31

didn't said you blindly sites such as God and

33:33

because you just blindly test them and you like

33:35

I don't know how this is gonna work. Eleanor

33:37

know we're going to take me and he was

33:39

able to siphon you input universes and we are

33:41

right now and. A. Son it. But yes

33:43

absolutely and tired not reduced me

33:45

but. Filtered. The.

33:48

Is filtered be down to just going back to

33:50

Place Roses making music because I love missing music.

33:52

Right of the linux or like see you hung

33:54

up the phone and you said like I'm done

33:57

and now you're of sue I have to make

33:59

so many hits. That's so much pressure and you're

34:01

an artist and you know if you have to be

34:03

inspired so how do you even? how did you take

34:05

that first? That said not let the pressure affect you.

34:07

If you had like this once you sit down with

34:09

this has to be get. This has to be gets

34:12

as it gets. The put that aside and then to

34:14

be inspired how did you make our first? That I

34:16

think is a lot. Of like very

34:18

realistic. Like very. Not.

34:21

Spoken about very harsh like very like.

34:23

Just. Grown Man traumas, Zama therapy and

34:25

certain things that like you have to kind of

34:28

like reform we war you kinda have to be

34:30

like okay of news it's not my identity than

34:32

what is my dizzy and what does it mean

34:34

to have an identity? Who are we without the

34:36

thing that we think identifies us and what does

34:38

that mean Now have to figure out my relationship

34:40

with music and what has it. Serviced.

34:43

As was it a distraction? Was it something that

34:45

I was of using the same studio to avoid

34:47

other things I didn't want to attack in my

34:49

life or whatever which was all viable possibility so

34:51

late. I think hanging

34:53

up the phone and than being like to not let

34:56

the pressure mounts me or whatever was just a matter

34:58

of like. Funny. Enough becoming

35:00

a bit more of a balanced healthy human.

35:02

Were A wasn't necessarily like everyday doesn't have

35:04

to be for the last for like homes.

35:06

Once a year year and you have fireworks

35:08

and not rose moderate. Use scissors and that

35:10

sucks and that's great because you did it.

35:12

You do Fourth of July once. Say Fourth

35:15

of July was every day. You'd be sick

35:17

to your still makes drained, you'd be whatever.

35:19

And I think as an artist and what

35:21

house. Sorry. Fucked up.

35:23

Every fucking contract usually is is that you

35:25

turn these artists into manic people were they

35:27

have to make their life everyday fourth of

35:29

July just to make the content beast pay

35:31

attention to you. See you don't sign a

35:33

deal to the devil, you just make a

35:35

thousand little paper cuts of I gotta be

35:37

interesting I have to be visit at the

35:39

get more followers I have this would then

35:41

it turns you into this thing that is

35:43

this mess of a human being that I

35:45

think I reflected a bit by the time

35:47

I figured out my conscience wherever I was

35:49

at the peak of at all and it

35:51

was very light. So. Like

35:54

or to slightly are moving back home

35:56

Mom.live in an Ally on are you

35:58

like? I gotta figure. The way more

36:00

other things because my success is not going

36:03

to six. Regular.

36:05

Normal Monday through Monday. John My fourth of

36:07

John onstage Go crazy This There's there are

36:09

things you have to, just the dresser you

36:11

have to step up to or own of

36:13

who are your anxieties or other drama. It's

36:16

a hard situation that happens you when you're

36:18

young or whatever. This, so I think there

36:20

was a lot of that that was happening

36:22

in which once that happens and I was

36:24

like. Oh my gosh, I get to make

36:26

music every deck I got back. To that thing let's have

36:28

a full like God gave you the with them

36:31

to in that situation you could have gone one

36:33

side or the other rights of those like that

36:35

contract and you going through a struggle that obstacle

36:37

I got put in front of you with so

36:39

meant to be so the you could stop in

36:41

your tax and reflect and be able to six

36:44

what would going on inside his you and your

36:46

whole feel that Pc can make Literally the best

36:48

music. Out. Yes, I don't, I truly think

36:50

that God specifically put you there, well

36:52

known, I think he needed to put

36:55

you there are everything that. Any

36:57

type of obstacle, any type of storm, any type

36:59

of. are you where you get mad and be

37:01

like yo I'm pissed that.right now why would you

37:03

do this to me Have I not been serving

37:06

you? Have I not been safe of have I

37:08

not and the goggles? yeah But you also that

37:10

asking me to do this is likely to go

37:12

to go. Ask me for this and I. Gave.

37:15

It to you and so wanna see

37:17

Start asking me for what you really

37:19

want John and then you're like oh

37:21

can I need to start a new

37:23

to start fresh Annie Okay so now

37:25

you start fresh and to go from

37:28

stealing your brothers the time and his

37:30

little box and then you go to

37:32

us working with artist and then now

37:34

you're on big talk shows performing your

37:36

album. He just sold out. A

37:38

huge show and and but okay,

37:40

wait a second. John.

37:43

Starting to notice that this little

37:45

beautiful scenario that the devil's painting.

37:48

Is. Bullshit. And I don't

37:50

want any part of this. and I'd

37:53

rather sale in front of everybody than

37:55

succeed faithfully in front of everybody. Yeah,

37:57

that's that. Takes a lot of balls,

37:59

then. We go into this room over

38:01

here where you sit and you go okay

38:03

god. If you want me to keep

38:06

going and you bless this avenue and if

38:08

not, then I got my wife and kids.

38:10

Make me a better man Here this this

38:12

window. I think this

38:14

is where you found your busing. I address

38:16

you, stand before God and you say I don't

38:19

care. You. Tell me where you

38:21

on a ago in this is Amanda.could

38:23

work with the and then now. You're.

38:25

On your next chapter you have

38:27

your new album what's your fears

38:29

Here with the Do album Oh

38:32

Man Fierce. I

38:34

just want to rip a mouse or we could talk. deserve be.

38:38

Given. New you ever new label. Yeah,

38:42

a new been working with an order or

38:44

band. Lawrence, They're incredible. Clyde Gracie that of

38:46

ridiculous talents through the roof stared. They're unbelievably

38:48

this as they. I was blessed enough to

38:50

sign them a few years ago. We've been

38:53

in a long haul working together and they're

38:55

They're made sense of Labels great. And how

38:57

do you have your own label? Yes, all

38:59

Muslims are you okay. Have you only one

39:01

out yet? Sorry Kelly Signed to the label

39:03

as well. I'm so sorry Kelly and Lawrence

39:06

The bands they both. Did you find Torrico?

39:08

Northern Law been a fan of To Dettori

39:10

goes into Isn't this just. She.

39:12

Approached me and wanted me to work on some music. in on.

39:15

I was like you're not signed

39:17

like. You'd left the label capital

39:20

was you happen to be somewhat same level I was

39:22

and I was like what do you mean it drops

39:24

to the greatest vocalist. The really my earth

39:26

founding they'd rather or be drug as he

39:28

goes up at a an amicable decision because

39:30

they weren't working Her: why is that a

39:32

Greek is I'm going into in their right

39:34

mind would drop for ya it's not. but

39:37

on that girl is correct. no I don't

39:39

know. Make was less emotional. certainly something that

39:41

is not me being disrespectful duff obviously Note:

39:43

As and America be real Yeah, I will

39:45

cut it out on destruct anybody. How is

39:47

she in my eyes? One of the V

39:49

graders and I think she's better than Area

39:51

on the Ground A by a long shots.

39:53

I think her vocals are. Ridiculous.

39:57

Why? Am I not hearing hits from her?

40:00

We're. Trying very hard. That's something that I think I

40:02

think to why is it that one? Are you looking

40:04

at it? The A You're looking at a mixture of.

40:07

Of. Culture of what an artist is

40:09

willing to do to get themselves into

40:11

that position was. The

40:14

right timing the right this or it deserves it's

40:16

all we know is is mean her bag was

40:18

is like was rather make to eliciting we can

40:20

is like if y two k record pops off

40:22

and he to cut. I would

40:24

put put up against any Y Two K record that

40:26

coming out next as goes to Cut By Caught By

40:28

To We're going to listen to this. I if I

40:30

know that one in auto as I'm saying is like

40:33

it's. Wise things.

40:35

Haven't connected the way that everyone believes in

40:38

her also courses the fan bases like they

40:40

own her and then when she drops a

40:42

gospel thing is to gospel was just a

40:44

pop think she trying to be. This is

40:46

really brutal. The last the last five years

40:48

or so that music visit the music business

40:50

the at the the archaic olds failing everyone's

40:52

getting fired. Music Business as of right now

40:54

the old idea of music business is is

40:56

all react if they're nothing's proactive it's like

40:58

will wait till you do something in when

41:00

you do it in a goes big on

41:03

take that this is it does get the

41:05

same way. Fifty points. Of their masters to for

41:07

the label their a north on the Tic Toc more.

41:11

Accidents are a lot of bands.

41:13

Yeah! In a what I'd have gone to talk to

41:15

me like stay guys and they're honest about it on my

41:18

record makes me make tic toc. So here that gets another

41:20

tix alchemy thing in my song or something. Going on

41:22

or it's like for why would I wonder i really

41:24

bad as they what you do that by yourself with

41:26

it he would do that by yourself. When.

41:28

You have some like in what's the point

41:30

of the the Why record labels push with

41:32

a push Why they do with it is

41:34

why the radio. Or

41:37

I've worked on a John Cook record for John

41:39

Cook and. The. Fast the song

41:42

to a billion streams in the history of

41:44

music streaming. And because

41:46

the call outset Radio weren't net positive,

41:48

they just didn't push the phone at

41:50

American Radio. I don't

41:53

know. it's a business and on one income

41:55

countries listening to this. Ah, but when. A.

41:57

Guy is the one hundred or of the program Director

41:59

or whatever. Why they choose to not slip

42:01

it into the rotation or who's they're not

42:03

friends with the guy that that the label

42:05

that we don't do Payola but if you're

42:08

artist comes in those my jingle jam Ninety

42:10

seven of things about putting the record that

42:12

Payola Yola resists beulah like thirteen year olds

42:14

with no faces on Twitter.they say the word

42:16

Payola. They don't understand what that it is

42:18

still happening with Sale of the Pale as

42:20

the class of that used to happen early

42:23

in the music business. That was like there's

42:25

people and gangsters, the mafia's guys coming to

42:27

the radio stations and years or ten days

42:29

they're going. To play my artist or here's Ten

42:31

K and I'd suck and and will for you if

42:33

you don't have pets as Payola fuel plume hours and

42:35

they all as hard as his payroll and this a

42:38

or feel as though it has. Elicited. Like

42:40

an industry play in a form like. We.

42:42

Could be because you you have these radio

42:44

stations that irrelevant because of large order so

42:46

for large artist comes to their jingle damn

42:48

the I Heard Radio special then you're literally

42:51

convincing the guy the top of i hard

42:53

to consider your record the next time you

42:55

drop once so they're saying guess we'd love

42:57

to play your song but the halloween bashes

42:59

coming up and if you could do it

43:01

for free we woulda definitely consider the next

43:04

time drop a song your relationship will be

43:06

better that with us or deny shaking hands

43:08

at a dirty were but also to my

43:10

not even be dirty as as as. The

43:12

Way the world that's just what is this assumes a

43:14

I must say that any artist has ever been on

43:16

the radio, has been done at the wrong way and

43:19

record hasn't exploded because it's been a beautiful far as

43:21

far as as worth. Tory till he Goes is just

43:23

like Irises a while. I. See

43:25

arose I see a diamonds are see someone

43:27

that's when I'm like yard you had some

43:29

air but like now that's not it on

43:32

my not your body. That. Quarterly.

43:34

So. Or if you hear record like Shelter

43:37

or record like cut or record like things

43:39

you do or what it. Think

43:42

we're doing the job. I just as

43:44

far as the next thing. I.

43:47

Can't be week. We can't think about the mackerel

43:49

and why they're not pushing a thing or what

43:51

they have to do to push isn't has it.

43:53

it is a i don't know er mig music

43:55

everyday at this. I'm. Trying. I'd.

43:58

Rather swing for a grand slam would Tory Kelly. Myth

44:00

that is, than. Not. Try

44:02

ready for other artists. Your has ever been

44:04

a time where you're writing for somebody that

44:06

you're like. Oh this is what I'm

44:09

really excited to work was also. And. Then you

44:11

meet them and you're like oh, that You're like you're

44:13

not even really an artist like this is a terrible.

44:15

Experience between us like like you're to work on

44:18

his and images never shut up you know if

44:20

the like and call out somebody his name the

44:22

like it is there are is is that a

44:24

obstacle for use like working with artist is it

44:27

like task as like. For

44:29

me, you watch. Ah, I

44:32

won't name names will you watch Tv shows or

44:34

movies where they're like Hitler? Your arrow in my

44:36

something and all and a New Jersey is a

44:38

great question as like the reason why you are

44:40

so good at what you doing your poppers. You're

44:42

asking a question that like a person who's not

44:44

in the music industry would really genuinely as not

44:46

be like what's your favorite cereal the safest route

44:48

order Luna do a shit you like this sucks

44:50

leg us very good on his voice in my

44:52

mind is like you're gearing up for war and

44:54

you're like okay cool I'm so excited to work

44:57

ominously shown or I saw. can't wait to have

44:59

a shot her bows or grade valid loss as

45:01

and she's like yo like. I can always goes

45:03

to your have these ideas and then you show

45:05

up and she's just like some of the ways

45:07

that arm and ago hangouts. The reason I ask

45:09

is because I saw a lot of the in

45:11

the recording studio yes and I was just kind

45:13

of like oh this guy's a far he's like

45:15

is is a fake artist like there's a guy

45:18

behind their this I know calibrate the music and

45:20

in any produces any creates this unbelievable masterpiece but

45:22

then I see her on the war similar yeah

45:24

when I was writing this song. You

45:27

know and really spoke to me. Yeah,

45:29

bitch is this guy's focus uranium I.

45:32

Like yours yet always at how? Okay,

45:34

So I couldn't imagine creating something that

45:37

you're so passionate about as watching somebody

45:39

onstage being like this is mine. Like

45:41

yes, Is that it? What? What is

45:43

that Lifeline was? What is that were?

45:46

How do you go home Something? We

45:48

are at them. Earn

45:51

don't accept Optic.logitech know that

45:53

you're label wants that I

45:55

that very residences Fidel blurb

45:57

say that goes on. I

46:03

think but. I think the best

46:05

way to. To navigate that is

46:07

that we have to. Also we can go deeper

46:10

into like what an artist this it like. Rian.

46:12

Is one of the best a indoors of all

46:15

time because once in a or have any nor

46:17

is like a omni. Right

46:19

now in the archaic music industry, they are busily

46:21

a dinosaur. It's it's behind a desk in those

46:23

you like. To pretend. Tells you to tick

46:25

tock more has would mean or is right now couple of

46:27

good ones but for whatever supposed to be like is supposed

46:29

to be like somebody who is the person who's your

46:31

liaison at the label that you were working in a new

46:34

set of the songs and they're like okay him and will

46:36

play this for the head. I'm gonna go on. Site.

46:39

For you in the building like an angel

46:41

or year like of Asian that actually works

46:43

for the label. So it's like. How

46:45

trustworthy can they be released as they're getting paid

46:47

by the get whatever. But either way do they

46:50

create music? The people that are called A and

46:52

are some some of them do, some of them

46:54

are super talented. some of Japan's few and far

46:56

between at this point is let. ours is sufficient.

46:59

They're making that stuff on the table laptop the

47:01

not like going to Capitol Records studio recording like

47:03

Frank Sinatra did with seventy five thousand people in

47:05

guys like spending it. Tapers is not that way

47:08

but as far as like how of I'm really

47:10

china. I'm really trying

47:12

to think wrote that Physics? I think. If.

47:14

You if if if I was to write a song

47:17

and the song was to become as a number one

47:19

song and then you go to put as it is

47:21

as some some hang out at a party and no

47:23

one knows I wrote the song and someone like yeah

47:25

I saw it so and so are to say it

47:27

was about their. Something and it wasn't.

47:29

And I know that in my head share

47:31

your ego at a certain point would be

47:34

like I made Dad and earth. But.

47:36

The check comes in the mail and dislike

47:38

credit like as am i think that soul

47:40

crushing because you're like a the by nice

47:43

things but like that's your are. Here.

47:45

They will is your are to some degree

47:47

you the art becomes what the artist wants

47:50

it to be when you've agreed to to

47:52

let it be there. thing is, when. You

47:54

signed up for that year. Because of the

47:56

end of the day to my job would be to

47:58

prop up an artist. My job would be you if

48:00

you're lacking in something. I.

48:03

Supports you because I like artists, I like writers.

48:05

I like producers. So the idea of like. If

48:09

it's super successful, I did my job, I did

48:11

my job, and if. I.

48:13

Just want to do my job very well. I want

48:15

to try. I want to try very hard and do

48:17

my job very well. That's all that's all I want

48:19

to do. I want to wake up, make an offering,

48:22

Everyday the same thing is i get to wake up like

48:24

a to make this thing and be a of a little

48:26

creator and i get the have phone and work on it

48:28

and for desserts and then it goes out to the world

48:30

and like oh that's not the proper credit and others as

48:32

it is like you know what. I can

48:35

cancel any of that night. I could just move

48:37

on means I'm here and I could do the

48:39

thing and I thought about lesson for easy talent

48:41

because like dude like I'm such a passionate person.

48:43

If anybody like miss say is like a story

48:46

of my slick this is the love of my

48:48

life If you recites a joke of mine and

48:50

she's as of the runway some sites like a

48:52

arms I've never had a woman hater system says

48:54

around job as I think will win of getting

48:57

getting a of using a whole song as you

48:59

get the Wrecker back added it is a hit

49:01

and like them of yeah so as a punchline

49:03

becomes a punch the. Office

49:05

on the opposite side of that question. The

49:07

opposite would be what is your favorite artist

49:09

The favorite song is time to read right

49:11

from Somebody Like. The experience was amazing. Those

49:13

are normally do you love this person? I

49:15

know what let's and I certainly wouldn't let

49:17

the opposite end of Alex Somebody gate came

49:19

in and around This I don't want to

49:21

do. They put our souls. You and your

49:24

like. That's Miss Minimize. The app. Tit

49:26

to even go back to what we were saying

49:28

about the how does it feel Wherever I've had

49:30

my moments to say, haven't had my moments to

49:33

be like with you Me Blue One. Can make

49:35

it look like it. But

49:37

that, like. Everyone's

49:40

pretending to sit golden eyes every once every

49:43

one. not a single person. They are your

49:45

social media that it. I do the magic

49:47

say I didn't magically. Fortunately one day someone

49:49

going to go in the house and ask

49:51

you to write a song would do something

49:53

and you're going to see the next. And

49:55

if you a single the name is so

49:57

that's what that's was going to solve itself.

49:59

Vietnam. It could play the piano like

50:01

outplayed. if he says get you get

50:04

away with the bulls and bears a

50:06

a silver let know right before he

50:08

shows me like these great like masterpieces

50:10

I got on the piano played a

50:13

few courses like Uk average York city

50:15

will just go see mean chords the

50:17

Fisher everybody has their size of as

50:19

figures I should have known for his.

50:21

In all seriousness there there is. Times.

50:25

Parnes minute though. Misled. So

50:27

you take credit for anything. Anybody can take credit

50:29

for anything. You can make it look like he

50:32

did something, but then you're gonna have to do

50:34

the thing again If you get speed so wildly

50:36

successful for number one song or your eyes abuses

50:38

out there. Just. Eat

50:40

when. The split start to come out

50:42

when the when the to who gets what

50:44

percentage of what song whatever everybody's everybody's memory

50:46

gets fuzzy my included on the reason I

50:48

like twenty percent or as he that ten

50:50

percent why the get busy get that the

50:52

as the. Honestly, Let

50:55

it slide most the time. so it's a tie

50:57

for what you believe you deserve. that you have.

50:59

But if you can do it again to do

51:01

it again and then do it again and again

51:03

and again and again. And when people say that

51:05

you suck, do it again As I don't like

51:07

the song, do it again and keep going because

51:09

it just going to give up after a while

51:11

people are just gonna be like fuck. I told

51:13

me sox I hate omen as shit is keeps

51:15

doing the thing over and over and then five

51:17

years goes by and say wow. He said he

51:19

said longevity for five years so that when someone

51:21

says she can't make music he said it is

51:23

diseases like you're just not doing your homework. That's

51:25

the type of presence I would like to be

51:27

so you just haven't done your homework. You could

51:30

say whatever you want, but Max Morton's one of

51:32

the greatest bruises for a was a great for

51:34

the zoo time if somebody says for l didn't.

51:36

Tweets out for all not a great site or

51:39

like for hasn't affected culture is like a he

51:41

does, haven't done your homework or other to be

51:43

a you haven't done your homework got and ensues

51:45

and me saying snow was doing their homework is

51:47

the elderly him and observers the slightest. I just

51:49

want to wake up and go be more music

51:52

and I'm gonna do it again tomorrow and then

51:54

we do it again tomorrow or Megan know their

51:56

song after that and we get another song off

51:58

that over and over and over. I love

52:00

what I do so it's like. I

52:03

could eat. There's a moment where you could. Katt Williams,

52:05

you burn the house down as fine and do you

52:07

have frustrations and things you gone through in the industry's

52:09

whatever. But the more I meditate on it's like I'd

52:11

rather just come from a place of gratefulness in this.

52:14

Weather. The artist took too much credit or not

52:16

enough credit or didn't. Sell.

52:18

The song the way they told me they would hate

52:20

work with us in this is our plans and then

52:22

I worked my ass asked us to make an album

52:24

and do this whole thing for them and then I

52:26

realize other just. There to sell up

52:29

a music is just a piece of their business

52:31

and the unique as a know I can do

52:33

this very well. Murmur: I'm gonna go on Georgia

52:35

goes on. Like a I just one of

52:37

I'm just so blessed to be in this business to make music.

52:39

And and by the way. I

52:42

just want to be known as the guy that

52:44

when orders company I'm not doing this weird producer

52:46

blow a bomb often your mind to make you

52:48

think you need me to make it about me

52:50

to bits. I'm here to serve. I'm here to

52:53

serve to me servings of doing ninety percent of

52:55

the song and it makes your career go on

52:57

a song. This might even be bigger because you

52:59

sacrifice your life to be an artist. You sacrifice

53:01

your whole life to be famous when you want

53:04

it. Now or not, you've you've lost something to

53:06

get here. That's. Attacks

53:08

that lights. Hill. Like

53:10

listlessly like this hadn't happened. Justin Bieber doesn't

53:12

He was very talented. If I made holy

53:14

or ghost or anyone or hold On or

53:17

the vertebrae record or the dominic like record

53:19

that I do at all is an Arab

53:21

yes I wrote as I was with us

53:23

as is a whole. If. I.

53:25

Were to put them out myself. They live

53:27

in nothing because they they would. They didn't

53:30

even close to as. A

53:32

financial blessing for my family or anything because of

53:34

the stuff that Justin Bieber sacrifice because he sacrifice

53:36

a lot and he knows how to pick the

53:39

soft because everyone their mother sending us also for

53:41

him to be a talented enough as an A

53:43

in our to pick great salt because he's done

53:45

that his whole career flint because he's just a

53:47

very talented singer, dancer, entertainer did it is someone

53:50

is don't write songs that because they're also a

53:52

fashion I gone and on. Thing. So I'm a

53:54

cop and they do in this and the do and as

53:56

like I just. Happen to be the guy that only wants

53:58

to make news as all won't be known for us

54:00

the all I'd like to do as them as pets.

54:03

What I do like people like drink and boxed wine

54:05

but some people like stomp on the grapes and talk

54:07

and a number of legs and it on that guy

54:09

like I love the olive sol a pop music this

54:11

big songs little some artistic thought. I love it I'm

54:13

passionate about it so. I. Feel

54:15

blessed enough This like whether they take credit or not or

54:17

whatever ever my job is to gets you to the to

54:19

the promised land of the places you need to be as

54:21

an artist as up when I'm writing and producing for other

54:23

people and I can be potent if I if I keep

54:25

that had frame because and I'm not going to get I'm.

54:28

Like. You were talking about yes the you seem like the

54:30

to get jaded or tv to get like. The

54:34

magic is gone. Yeah that is gonna stay

54:36

fourteen and just. Don't

54:40

respect as it is all perspective or like I was

54:42

having a bad day at work and my dad goes

54:44

everybody has a bad day at work rather than a

54:46

blessing that you work for the thing he loves and

54:48

I saw them whenever they did. Not about their wacko

54:50

be working at Mcdonalds and having a bad day or

54:53

I could be in my career field we're having a

54:55

bad day easily easily some of these duties or is

54:57

like I bring up be because you so talented as

54:59

like. Yea was a

55:01

young easy kids door and as Btc videos

55:03

him operating he is. he so freaking just

55:06

stem cells front of you ever does. Are

55:08

they just the zebra? Here is it as

55:10

a hater for all they. Had and guns

55:12

and know what's crazy. Is like a solid peaches and

55:14

like whatever. The he wrote most of that, he wrote most

55:16

of that record so they sometimes he. Doesn't Right Records who

55:19

killed codes on billion to be like go I have

55:21

a song about this and I want to make a

55:23

song about this or this. move my heart and then

55:25

other times to write a whole song and whatever cause

55:27

I think the fallacy that artist do one hundred percent

55:29

of what this was the do is some believe will

55:31

you building and I for your if you're making a

55:33

movie you're not going to be like I'm going to

55:35

be the art department and then and either does department

55:37

and I'm going to do all this. Call me and

55:39

thirty years when the movie's done is like know comical.

55:42

Get the best art director and will get the best.

55:44

The labels are screwing us. sorry this is gonna get

55:46

a whole other ten and I apologize if I'm not.

55:48

Interview Ready Bus. To. Assess,

55:50

there's one hundred points in a song for

55:52

the hundred master point and that's what pays

55:54

off a streaming. So the label of giving

55:56

producer's like myself. That. Need The Orioles got

55:59

to be relevant? Yours. The work with the bigger risk

56:01

of the you would have you done. For me lately

56:03

they're giving us three to six points a song out

56:05

of a hundred. Out of a

56:07

hundred and telling us that we're blessed for it

56:09

and we're getting dinner with the Ceos like search

56:11

for Put Me On your records I really hope

56:13

to bring you the radio. I don't know how

56:15

it works but maybe you could pull some bodies

56:17

and so that that so the point being is

56:20

a very frustrating as a producer when I'm unsure

56:22

as frustrating as an artist Susan when you're putting

56:24

together these looks in these videos and doing all

56:26

this different stuff and the contract and are I

56:28

just got to Kill you So like for me

56:30

to is like. I'm. Going off

56:32

on different tangents here because I feel passionate about

56:34

it. But before making so, having every points on

56:37

a record and then somebody. I'm.

56:42

Not the best violinists in the world. I'm not the best

56:44

drum maker in the world on the best that as, but

56:46

I know them and I have access to them. So it's

56:48

like. Oh that song.

56:51

I'm. That. Song was the

56:53

saw the Jonas Brothers record on walls

56:55

A crazy record as like oh. Pete.

56:58

Nappy, Clyde, Lawrence and Ten Rock did

57:00

the drums on us all. Like

57:02

John, you're not a real producer. Is.

57:04

Like. A Source. The.

57:07

Thing to get the product on as a producer to

57:09

de dah dah dah dah dah dah which is like

57:11

a metaphor for all of it as a you gotta

57:13

be careful who you're saying like stats on an artist.

57:15

Nothing that in a producer. That's. As a

57:17

producer who's produces yes but you'd say an artist and

57:19

in and question before that what defines and artists is

57:22

like an artist might be agree A in or person

57:24

who knows how to pick their own songs and become

57:26

the biggest artist in the world and then is like

57:28

sometimes you know you want your favorite artist right and

57:30

sauce because the way they sing other people saw there's

57:32

a magic behind them discovering the specialness of people like

57:34

me who do with all day long and then be

57:36

like I could turn this into my own thing when

57:38

I sing his put my voice on and is will

57:40

become bigger than it could ever be. As the writer

57:42

the producer put it out there is is is this

57:45

is it's a fallacy is if it's a bit a

57:47

fallacy. Much different directions use that to be careful how

57:49

you're claiming it or or what. The.

57:51

thing is so i just of in meditation about

57:53

it's i should be weary about. I

57:55

did. I'd like. Finally,

57:59

Know or not, Get your meditation aspects

58:01

be as you you do you doing press

58:03

work years. You're doing a bunch of things

58:05

to get yourself. Are prepared for

58:07

your journey like war right? And what

58:09

are what are the two things that

58:12

you've done that you would love for

58:14

people to know? But hey this is

58:16

this is changed me completely as a

58:18

think move and act better. To.

58:23

Oh. My goodness, To

58:25

think move ag better. Going.

58:28

To better to get our. More. Than I

58:30

used to work only from like seven pm

58:33

to like seven in the morning. Now I

58:35

only wear from eleven to seven Monday through

58:37

Friday, Eleven to seven and between that during

58:39

during the day. So because I'm I'm up

58:41

with my boys or or any time on

58:43

the weekends, spend with family and whatever. But.

58:46

The thing that really changed my life. Really

58:50

make it like. Eating

58:52

properly. To be in studio for seven

58:54

hours straight, just not guitars lot of time when like

58:56

who even when I had social media was very lucky

58:59

these laws in the studio. Least one of my check

59:01

out or whatever gonna want to do that. I want

59:03

to be more locked in all the time so the

59:05

ice bath help me a lot to do. Bass Dishonor.

59:08

And. We're going out everyday. And I'm

59:10

eating. I'm trying to eat properly every day

59:12

so that that eleven to seven I'm getting

59:14

on juice in that thing some some getting

59:16

eleven to seven out strongly. And as long

59:18

as you're standing up and and and you're

59:20

moving and you're bouncing all day so was

59:22

don't have back problems or this or that

59:24

sausages consistent consistently work now other the breath

59:26

work there we we just did one before

59:28

the show. Had to be honest

59:30

I thought it was both are like I was

59:33

like nah bro you just breathing getting dizzy

59:35

like at as and we did it together as

59:37

like I like this I want to do this

59:39

again and so I just I find it cools

59:41

and fascinating when people find like little tricks like

59:44

there was one that I got like a

59:46

assess sounds really stupid but have you ever slept

59:48

wrong? any put it a cat look this way

59:50

analysts who am I was on tic toc and

59:52

random with my new doctor it alone six hours

59:55

and is ladies like asian medicine. She goes take

59:57

your finger, hold this and then for two minutes

59:59

squeeze. And. Rotate your head or something and I

1:00:01

did it and it was. Gone.

1:00:05

Gone southward? that is one of the know. Have you

1:00:07

had any like the Breezes only that their to as

1:00:09

a mess ration doesn't help. Stuff

1:00:12

I was its numbered so you cut that off.

1:00:14

Trying to as much as I go to doesn't

1:00:16

have as it were talking like real I guess

1:00:18

like a human beings yet of people that are

1:00:20

husbands are people that are trying to be better

1:00:22

in their life. So actually stop doing that too

1:00:25

because of fighter said that It messes up. His.

1:00:27

Like rhythm and his roaches never let

1:00:29

them. Like. Have Sex or like any.

1:00:31

that's more that heard that I was like way

1:00:34

There has to be a reason after performing at

1:00:36

a way better levels are Not sexually like. active

1:00:38

at that moment and other guy wonder

1:00:40

if. Masturbating. Three times

1:00:43

a day is like taking me back a lot.

1:00:45

And Nanda. That's. It's a very

1:00:47

awkward things to talk about but I mean I

1:00:49

should. I feel much better. Have so

1:00:51

much better. Ironic with as to say that is

1:00:53

where our horses isn't he viewed as is that

1:00:55

it out every like this on my bag with

1:00:57

for me personally as like I do feel myself

1:01:00

we're more presence of we must have way more

1:01:02

sexually charged The films are you a more better

1:01:04

when I'm not a line about masturbating as your

1:01:06

old i was there years ago was line on

1:01:08

your the reason I'm alone of us rear to

1:01:10

Edu and you really nice about a girl he

1:01:12

broke up with tennis a hopeless when I heard

1:01:14

that I was like what how does he have

1:01:16

them all to say that ah that on an

1:01:18

album Swim in the League theories for sure in

1:01:20

this realm. Of reality that we all pretend like doesn't

1:01:23

exist, or there's a realm of like, Whatever. And. It's.

1:01:25

A key and it's do because humans or that

1:01:27

way yeah we're not perfect were very like that

1:01:29

way in the problem is that like me because

1:01:32

I'm done an interview know also shouldn't be saying

1:01:34

anything or like go down that road but like

1:01:36

like this just a and i'm not a perverse

1:01:38

like this just arrived on number of version which

1:01:40

has actually helped me with my children as help

1:01:43

me with everything is that. No.

1:01:45

Matter what, my past a sort of, I'm going to

1:01:47

show up today and I'm going to try because I'm

1:01:49

not going to pretended to get myself good enough to

1:01:51

go be great. I'm. Going to get myself good

1:01:53

enough to be the father I want to be Signal Right now

1:01:55

today I'm waking up in I'm trying to be the father I

1:01:57

want to be from. To be the has been I want to

1:01:59

be on. The leader I want to be the label owner

1:02:01

I want to be is like I could do that today

1:02:03

as you wake up into that today if he if it

1:02:06

starts to be like. I'm. A lose

1:02:08

weight once I really eat right and get on

1:02:10

a good pass to do that, a muggle work

1:02:12

out once I like and consistently do for twenty

1:02:14

days and I'll start. Really? were gonna. Get.

1:02:17

To slobber an ass on the on the treadmill

1:02:19

and go work out now now and try to

1:02:21

do it. You'll have to be good enough to

1:02:23

try to be better. Catherine, those are other. It's

1:02:25

the same thing as like some people feel they have

1:02:27

to clean themselves the for the com the god I

1:02:29

like I want to present myself the dyno and I'm

1:02:31

relationship with another have so many things a into six

1:02:33

of a major first single says no come to me

1:02:35

thirty. A hospital with our last dog with

1:02:38

the idea of like. I

1:02:40

struggled the idea of like. The

1:02:43

nuance of humanity being every decision were making

1:02:45

is affecting our eternity. That's true. Everything we

1:02:47

do is either a step in the right

1:02:49

direction, regression and also I'm soon as they

1:02:51

by grace and is nothing I could have

1:02:53

done to earn his sword like. I.

1:02:56

Don't take myself seriously at all and

1:02:58

I can laugh about things and not

1:03:00

necessarily be so. But I also take

1:03:02

myself so seriously cause my. Future.

1:03:05

My turn the hangs in the balance. The music is

1:03:07

very similar to that. I think all things very similar

1:03:09

that there's a gray area. This is almost. the more

1:03:11

we realized about the right in the left and the

1:03:14

this and the that is is is that. Like

1:03:16

these and gray area all the

1:03:18

time. Moonlight taxes no taxes rendered.

1:03:21

Caesar was is like. Was

1:03:23

like that's didn't but that's directly in between

1:03:25

as I can make everybody happy. but the

1:03:27

realistic thing is like. We're.

1:03:29

All just in between were on the gray. We're all trying

1:03:31

to figure this thing on as we go on a per.

1:03:33

Like the were intentional. But also like go and let

1:03:35

it be and you know. Values are having.

1:03:37

I had let go. It's like I've just rather tell

1:03:40

the world are I'm trying so hard. I want you

1:03:42

to be so affected by this I wanted that wants

1:03:44

you to think this music is that is the best

1:03:46

thing ever. It's that's that's what I want you to

1:03:49

think. And if you don't think that. I. Didn't

1:03:51

do the job that I set out to do. rather than

1:03:53

being like. I'm. So not

1:03:55

carrying that like the reason that you find

1:03:57

me cool because I don't care what you

1:03:59

think about. right? I'm trying to make. Great

1:04:01

so everyday and of the most likely

1:04:03

unless it's. Like okay

1:04:05

down south who says are snowbirds work but in

1:04:07

in the real a sense of the word. his

1:04:09

legs were rather to strike out. I'd rather just

1:04:12

strike out of or of I'm not your cup

1:04:14

of tea. That's amazing That's great but I just

1:04:16

I'm trying very hard. You failed. It wasn't what

1:04:18

you wanted to be as like I'm looking so

1:04:20

you know I'd you find dogs at all and

1:04:22

that was it. like cause I was young so

1:04:24

some real My father my father went to church

1:04:26

and brought deserts and the whole month but then

1:04:28

it became more of like these will Source is

1:04:30

is. On and he the summer like this is

1:04:33

something that's in I can do is almost race

1:04:35

especially. In every form of

1:04:37

us to manual is almost. There is

1:04:39

no way. Possible. And

1:04:42

as does need to be something more for me is a

1:04:44

hard for you to give it to god like a house

1:04:46

is this punk to give any is like. Who

1:04:51

are I got? I'm gonna go work at Mcdonald's

1:04:53

now that my contract not good and I'm walking

1:04:55

away. So because I know my future or I

1:04:57

got a muggle were at I'm always yes. Well

1:04:59

what? I. Am with you. Could

1:05:02

be careful with Mcdonalds. Smokers will be over. I'm

1:05:04

never going to make commercially successful music on never

1:05:06

make money for those, but I'm going to work

1:05:08

the worry I'll get a real job or so

1:05:10

it's Silly Smile is the give. No idea that

1:05:12

can do your life? No idea. Though.

1:05:14

I know, I know though flags attack give

1:05:16

this to either be able to that's impossible

1:05:18

it's impossible thing and you look back and

1:05:20

it's like oh wow at a plan and

1:05:23

who's completely right and I could to save

1:05:25

a lot of time by just giving him

1:05:27

that the death for human conundrum release I

1:05:29

was. I gave god my anxiety about everything

1:05:31

is this doesn't have the smothers the darius

1:05:33

it privacy cause like totally totally totally say

1:05:35

have a saying stop selling got how big

1:05:38

your problems are Start telling your problems are

1:05:40

the you gotta. Wow.

1:05:42

You're flip it on is because the

1:05:44

devil always the it. The devil only

1:05:46

has one weapon but my daddy loves

1:05:48

to use the weapon. It's line bro.

1:05:50

Let me say some man you be.

1:05:52

Pluto. Somewhere. Else

1:05:56

out there is a diverse. It's amazing. It's like

1:05:58

the old I would do with technology. What's gonna

1:06:00

happen when people have words or encouragement or how it's

1:06:02

going to be Proceed but you're looking in real time

1:06:04

like I'm watching someone who speaking to a lot of

1:06:06

people. But you're doing it in a real sense where

1:06:08

you're not not approachable, feel like a normal person that

1:06:10

believes in what they believe in, your in a position

1:06:12

to speak the way that you do an artist think

1:06:15

it is a lot of like. Non.

1:06:18

Celebrity non that whole thing. People that are like

1:06:20

that are gonna see you in that do see

1:06:22

you and they're like wow he speaking like somebody

1:06:24

I want to hear from and it's He's not

1:06:27

telling me the like. Do. These things

1:06:29

that I know deep down or connelly probably not healthy

1:06:31

for me. Repeat: you're doing in a cool way and

1:06:33

like as you're doing it, you're coming out of the

1:06:35

word of God And you're You're using scripture, which is

1:06:37

like. It. Makes it even more.

1:06:40

Bomb. Something that other people can sink

1:06:42

their teeth into. Because I'm not watching a guy

1:06:44

go on his own accord to just say whatever,

1:06:46

because he's made up this new thing nest of

1:06:48

that that's like a serious and as as I

1:06:50

appreciate every bomb it's It's very cool to watch

1:06:52

you both do this together in a way that's

1:06:55

like. To. Be part of

1:06:57

something like this is very cool. Very

1:06:59

cool was very normal conversation we ever

1:07:01

we have like on like the deepest

1:07:03

conversations we have. That. Don't

1:07:05

even Go. On. A make

1:07:07

that I really wish. That. Like.

1:07:10

We had a mike on us all time

1:07:12

because sometimes we talk about Christ and such

1:07:14

around that I'm like man. I really, I

1:07:17

really pray that that could somehow get into

1:07:19

a podcast on. Yesterday.

1:07:22

right? Before he went to bed. Gotten

1:07:25

a be that screamed the a heart was. You

1:07:27

have to tell her this because there's an order

1:07:29

of things. I think people forgot that. We are

1:07:31

creations that are in order right? And if you

1:07:33

get out of order that's when you feel lost

1:07:35

and out of place and I'm I was. That

1:07:38

was praying. And she

1:07:40

was talking to God and I know how she

1:07:42

is, right? So when I walked in I said

1:07:45

something and she's. I knew that while

1:07:47

she was praying she didn't. Want me

1:07:49

to think that. She. Was ignoring

1:07:51

me so she stopped praying for a

1:07:53

second. It as. She turned to me and

1:07:55

she was all valve off and she what right

1:07:57

back into her prayers and I was gonna wait.

1:08:00

How her brother all tell her later. And.

1:08:02

I told her yesterday I go. If.

1:08:04

You're ever. In the

1:08:06

presence of God. I. Don't care

1:08:08

if the house is on fire

1:08:10

and I'm screaming for your life.

1:08:13

You. Finish talking to the king first

1:08:15

be more you ever even acknowledge my

1:08:17

does off. The. Imagine of mean

1:08:20

you were talking and then she started out with the me another

1:08:22

wait What I get. That's. Rude. I'm not

1:08:24

doing that my creator while and I'd be

1:08:26

damned if the love of my life that

1:08:28

supposedly coming from I read turns from our

1:08:30

creator to talk to me. Kill.

1:08:33

Me Before that happens, I will never let that happen.

1:08:35

Mine It was also like that limits the amount of

1:08:37

us are. we talked about that and I'm in. I'm

1:08:39

a lot of hundred and there was. No

1:08:43

of the or don't have. To

1:08:46

shoot. Speaking

1:08:49

of aluminum, Say

1:08:52

that we. Have no vet and

1:08:55

and that was that's a good mind because I

1:08:57

was in my prayer in and I didn't turn

1:08:59

to respond as cause I just trying to but

1:09:01

I can't practicing yeah thought I'd remembering and I

1:09:03

want. guess I know that this worry of like

1:09:05

a when she doesn't know I'm playing right now

1:09:07

because it was. I think you're in the other

1:09:09

room or something and I'm when she becomes is

1:09:11

ignoring him but it would. So beautiful is that

1:09:13

he's able to not be paid full and just

1:09:15

as you said well he leads on his. He

1:09:17

leans on god understanding not on his own understanding

1:09:19

and so that's why he's able to be like.

1:09:22

Hey. Like. whenever. You're praying like

1:09:24

do not like, don't worry about me Doesn't matter

1:09:26

what's going on around you in only focus on.and

1:09:28

that's something that I need to hear whether it's

1:09:30

coming from Hammer from anybody else and that's something

1:09:33

that I need to remember and citing that's that's

1:09:35

beautiful about his character in the We the He

1:09:37

leaders like Mint leaves. His podcast is because I

1:09:39

didn't have the yes it is leaning on God's

1:09:41

understanding and not his own and well, I

1:09:44

really appreciate you guys. Yeah, we know it'll get

1:09:46

cancer. It's. One. Of the things and I think

1:09:48

the you do that soon your life and thing

1:09:50

that through you know things and with last night

1:09:52

and throughout where you've said in your music and

1:09:54

anything that's what makes you both great partners. A

1:09:56

good has been that fiance because you bring that

1:09:58

in the relationship. Then again the day when I

1:10:00

know that there's a struggle whenever there's anything present

1:10:02

in front of us. I. Know

1:10:05

that it's gonna be. It's. Gonna be great

1:10:07

and I got gonna take care of it because

1:10:09

it is got taken care of it because he.

1:10:12

Let. God beat him. And six

1:10:14

the situations in front of. Us as

1:10:16

usual. What's it like coming home

1:10:18

knowing that you're in an industry?

1:10:20

That. Might not have this type

1:10:22

of relationship but you come home to it

1:10:25

that that the security and the safety of

1:10:27

a safer woman Like a godly woman, a

1:10:29

woman who wants a break bread about not

1:10:31

just bread on earth with the bread of

1:10:33

Christ like the ability were it like is

1:10:35

it feels like. I

1:10:38

think of God is like. correct. So

1:10:40

when you're playing around in the dark,

1:10:42

right? as? that's what our industrious and

1:10:44

I think there's only a select few

1:10:46

that.sense to the dark to be the

1:10:48

light. And and what does it feel

1:10:50

like when you come home after mingling

1:10:52

and darkness? Yes, to a bright bright.

1:10:55

Yeah, Oh my goodness. My.

1:10:57

Was more of is unbelievable

1:10:59

of and ah. Reward!

1:11:01

For to get a for for years

1:11:03

from seventh grade up until like the

1:11:05

early college years and then we took

1:11:07

the long break or delayed craziness in

1:11:09

than kind of back into each other's

1:11:11

lives. You been married for. Oh

1:11:14

I'm a just ended Serbia. Seven years

1:11:16

now almost seven years now we get

1:11:19

together to your a year before that

1:11:21

are some something to that effect on.

1:11:24

But. Choosing.

1:11:28

To choosing to be in a relationship and

1:11:31

choosing to the make the same promised that

1:11:33

God made to me. Meaning is other You

1:11:35

do for richer, for poorer, for sick of

1:11:37

for health and an honoring that covenant. Whether

1:11:39

it's really, really hard, really, really easy at

1:11:41

times. Really. really. This. Really. really. That I

1:11:43

just recognize that I'm like, wow, like that

1:11:45

something from God. She something forgot, send that

1:11:48

to me. The way that I've been refined

1:11:50

through her. The way that. I

1:11:52

recognized even he and through my children. And when

1:11:54

you have it, when you have when you have

1:11:56

children. Little refined, you quick, you think you're patient,

1:11:58

You think you're all. They have you ever kidding

1:12:01

You're like oh my gosh I didn't No idea

1:12:03

I was this sort in my page and I

1:12:05

was this sort with my anything it will with

1:12:07

with what I demand when it come upstairs if

1:12:09

everyone's listen to me in the city all day

1:12:11

and when I called there's. A say

1:12:13

may move the snare everly get sore. Got

1:12:15

what it is? Other than what you say

1:12:18

that that is Layla make me dinner has

1:12:20

a mouth is that doesn't go that way.

1:12:22

So I think I think it's like almost

1:12:24

like a Weiss the U S. What it's

1:12:26

like it's like it's almost.put this thing in

1:12:28

my engine because I can go one seventy.

1:12:30

Very talented, very much work driven. I'm very

1:12:32

i can produce on produces assuming a like

1:12:34

to do active to to lead in that

1:12:36

way but. And. You can go and seventy

1:12:38

in every once in awhile and even the battle for

1:12:40

it's nice to speed up but if you're going fast

1:12:42

the whole time everyone's like is very predictable person the

1:12:45

guard and like this the same thing with life. I

1:12:47

think if a Weiss not in your engine and or.

1:12:49

A partners on and your engine or whatever

1:12:52

that is she sees like this thing in

1:12:54

my life. the keys me tethered to reality

1:12:56

act as I'd be floating in. I'm going

1:12:58

to build theme parks for this artist and

1:13:00

then the rollercoaster has to look this way.

1:13:02

but the colors of the roller coasters got

1:13:05

a massive of the slides. This can be

1:13:07

a new theme park. Yes this theme park

1:13:09

going to work for this artist because it's

1:13:11

my son's like bread crumb, a banjo I

1:13:13

my assistant that it has like a second

1:13:15

oh wow whoa like I'm building universes recently.

1:13:18

At. Six fifteen and you didn't sleep less late

1:13:20

eleven digital ago. and so there's something about that

1:13:22

that marital thing and having that your life in

1:13:25

children in your life that announces grounds you know

1:13:27

and that doesn't mean that and I'm not qualified.

1:13:29

This is as a mean that unlike the most

1:13:31

wonderful grounded person world I have plenty of struggles

1:13:33

in the there they are bound but I do

1:13:36

recognize him I was. I thank God for this

1:13:38

woman that so as to stick it out with

1:13:40

me and to be an anchor for me no

1:13:42

matter how this goes I know she's not a

1:13:45

know that them and and are no see their

1:13:47

from and that comfort in their safety. And that

1:13:49

support. Oh. Man and as Mars been

1:13:51

some responsibility as a man to do the

1:13:53

right thing by her is like the Bible

1:13:55

says like or love your life love your

1:13:57

wife Like Price of the Church has no.

1:14:00

That's enough to die for us. So it's like they

1:14:02

are in a place where like. Whoa.

1:14:04

It's like a women serve your husband's but

1:14:06

you need love your wife like rifle of

1:14:08

the church that's like screw everybody be level

1:14:10

serve your them as I knew the next

1:14:13

line as a voice mail to of are

1:14:15

all this is for your widely all on

1:14:17

his own of i was about my down

1:14:19

under communism and I'm not sure about that

1:14:21

you know exactly voice but as going to

1:14:23

answer questions aura diverted a bit but to

1:14:25

have that in my life and who she

1:14:27

is and. She's. Like she's

1:14:30

the best. His best thing? She's.

1:14:33

Not yes, it's her. Not

1:14:35

being serious as it sounds like I'm staying up

1:14:37

a joke. but have you had to choose her?

1:14:41

Or producing. Records Everyday.

1:14:44

Film. Was inside so the next

1:14:46

time nothing when but. His

1:14:49

and or when the Devil puts

1:14:51

your biggest obstacle for us to

1:14:53

trade off. Or. You might

1:14:55

think you need to because it's

1:14:57

allies via remember. Everything

1:14:59

else will have dust of

1:15:01

food. Ross two. Months.

1:15:04

And I recognize to there's a lot alike.

1:15:06

The things that you work on aren't. The.

1:15:08

Things that are worth working on are the things

1:15:10

that argument gets you any phrase any any that

1:15:12

like but those are the things are going to

1:15:14

feed you when you're older. A soothing that are

1:15:17

gonna be great for you having a healthy marriage

1:15:19

or being present with your wife or reversal pat

1:15:21

on the back for that did world being like

1:15:23

your dad. Present Dad's. Still

1:15:25

a shit ever present, does present dad

1:15:27

present? that's present. Death desailly shit ever

1:15:30

For this episode been like know there's

1:15:32

no. this is just not the thing.

1:15:34

So sluggish, you invest in the things

1:15:36

that might not get you that adulation

1:15:38

or that response to that. whatever. and

1:15:41

you're serving. The. Upside down

1:15:43

kingdom is the whole thing about the of attacking

1:15:45

them as like if you're spurs is your last,

1:15:47

your first and forces of all serve and volley

1:15:49

like the the whole thing and the you learn

1:15:51

that through marriage and to have my wife as

1:15:53

a tool. To refine

1:15:55

me and make me better in

1:15:58

that situation is like she's. And

1:16:00

to have a woman who's down to do that

1:16:02

with me and to like take that struggling to

1:16:04

walk that road and to do that thing and

1:16:06

no matter what happens we're going to pick back

1:16:08

up tomorrow as the that's the thing about he

1:16:11

sees a present from raw fish for her name

1:16:13

is Robert is that it's the it's the greatest

1:16:15

gift from god So when you found a wife

1:16:17

a good wife. And think about it,

1:16:19

bro, you've had. A ridiculous amount of

1:16:21

success in your field. I guarantee you have either for

1:16:23

my money on it and are like if you put

1:16:26

John or Roman yes it's free to all of this

1:16:28

out. For. Just one more year with his

1:16:30

wife or wouldn't you won't even be were even talk

1:16:32

about even talk about just take it out and others

1:16:34

who are much rather have this is. I'm speaking to

1:16:36

myself as a warm I try to. Make.

1:16:40

Everyone. Like me, besides the person that needs

1:16:43

to actually liked. Me since as a.

1:16:47

Man's Azar The present A this is is

1:16:49

with my wife knows who I am literally

1:16:51

even talking about why am I spending all

1:16:53

the time front of be like he said

1:16:55

I could make I'll prove him wrong and

1:16:57

of Emirates it's easier said than done. Adulation

1:16:59

from the public, a great success of great

1:17:01

money's great but then it's like. He

1:17:04

doesn't. It's it's you get a wanted to

1:17:06

invest him Sit There is a study. I'm so

1:17:08

sorry. What to say. Sort of forget there's a

1:17:10

study on. I've said this on another podcast, but

1:17:12

it's very, very poor for people to really understand

1:17:15

this and your brain. There's like a flicker, right?

1:17:17

So if I'm moving my arm like this is

1:17:19

a light, the flickers than says always moving his

1:17:21

right arm the light of flickers of his anxiety

1:17:23

in your brain does one bulb. That

1:17:25

basically flickers if you're anxious.

1:17:28

Or great for a full a Saudi. Talk about this with

1:17:30

their own. Was Tony Robbins? I

1:17:32

believe it was yesterday about a great

1:17:34

was split into two thousand years ago.

1:17:36

Jesus. Like stopping anxious, be grateful. You

1:17:39

know your body. Yeah so the point of thousand

1:17:42

the approach that we we spoke about. The first

1:17:44

time we talk the error was like what should

1:17:46

I was we talk by some burnout down and

1:17:48

talk about all the stuff that I've been wrong

1:17:51

here and I've been on. This is how not

1:17:53

as it's or. I'm on

1:17:55

borrowed time and I could just come from a

1:17:57

super grateful blaze. as is what I just wanted.

1:18:00

Genuinely, I just. Don't

1:18:03

on a chicken and which is Aura everyone I

1:18:05

just want to do well. I just wanna do

1:18:07

well. That's it. That's it. That's it. I just

1:18:09

want to do well. That and if I get

1:18:11

to wake up and try to do well everyday,

1:18:14

the when really the when really is is doing

1:18:16

something excellently. Whether you're you're you're. Pushing.

1:18:19

A broom you're on, a laptop your

1:18:21

yours, someone's understudy your the thing through

1:18:23

the thing. you do it well. it's

1:18:25

just doing doing something excellent I think

1:18:27

is the. It's the secret

1:18:29

to it off, because if you take pride in what you're

1:18:31

doing, you do it excellently. You're not gonna taste like. Because

1:18:34

trust me. It

1:18:36

doesn't change from if you're not for his in

1:18:38

you know this isn't it. It's

1:18:41

nothing's gonna sell. The whole nothing is going to fill

1:18:43

the hole. Not saying is that it into for me.

1:18:45

So if you're looking at the things, if you're looking

1:18:48

at things the spiritual thing that will fill you up

1:18:50

even greater you're investing in the proper thing. Seems like

1:18:52

it's a hard thing to do, but it's like. Man.

1:18:56

Vs phrase. I'm gonna tell you the thing that my

1:18:58

mom told me. please. Mom. Knowledge,

1:19:00

mom, knowledge, my setup and

1:19:02

all I ever either. Ah,

1:19:06

I was in the thick of it and was

1:19:08

very angry. And. I might have

1:19:10

to do that the I'd I'd try not to have pride,

1:19:12

but it's it. Looks like I bathe in it. Man

1:19:15

If you come after me, fine.

1:19:18

You. Com after someone I love ya advantage

1:19:20

I'm going to jail Or prison. Like

1:19:22

or or or or like a hospital.

1:19:24

But like there's a part of me

1:19:26

that's like I'm ready for more. Oh,

1:19:28

I want to smoke. I'm here for

1:19:30

the smoke. Be

1:19:33

angry. Birds. And not

1:19:35

some sitting here and I'm telling my mom,

1:19:37

no, no, no, I'm taking action and my

1:19:40

Mom goes. What do you think God would

1:19:42

want you to do And the answers? Shut

1:19:44

up and be still Exactly. And.

1:19:46

If you use your anger to inspire you to

1:19:48

like in your words, shut up and be still.

1:19:51

Your. Anger is properly directed said

1:19:54

Enter Nice Healthy passion. For.

1:19:56

Sure now I'm watching

1:19:58

you. Do. Every amazing

1:20:01

stat. But. I

1:20:03

want tell you to say on my mom told

1:20:05

me it is. You

1:20:08

gave it to God. God's

1:20:11

gonna be the one that avenge his you. Nothing.

1:20:14

Jon could do. Katt

1:20:17

Williams it. Burn it down Cool. You're

1:20:19

cool for months, maybe five and. You

1:20:22

try to put in your own hands, you could only

1:20:24

swing that sword a certain way. But.

1:20:27

You say no, You did You Take this

1:20:29

God. And God rules up

1:20:31

his sleeve and looks at the demons that were

1:20:34

coming after his son. And he

1:20:36

goes, oh, you want me to be a

1:20:38

part of this now though You my god,

1:20:40

rolls up his sleeves and gets to work

1:20:42

on the demons that come after me. I

1:20:44

actually feel bad for my demons. To.

1:20:46

You're going up against a thing that could go.

1:20:50

For done we're of leave it. Your

1:20:52

next journeys, Your next journey. I.

1:20:55

Don't want you turning back and

1:20:57

turning salty will be given an

1:20:59

example. When. Sarah. Was.

1:21:01

Told don't look back at your history,

1:21:03

don't look back assad on the more.

1:21:05

don't look back at the old problems

1:21:07

you have. She turned around, she did

1:21:09

not listen to God and she became

1:21:12

salt. Don't get salty at what they

1:21:14

did. Tuned to pass as know that

1:21:16

God is going to avenger and that

1:21:18

the light will show the truth and

1:21:20

people will see you for who you

1:21:22

are in God or whole. June is

1:21:24

righteous right hand diver. A myth of

1:21:26

food which is crazy to think about.

1:21:28

Chooses is like whether my contract was

1:21:30

good or not. Whether. It was

1:21:32

right from the beginning or wasn't rifle meeting

1:21:34

or whatever the things that have been afford

1:21:36

them in the last six years have been

1:21:38

like thank god I have these anchors and

1:21:40

these things in my life to like. Not

1:21:42

with me up into some other thing I'm

1:21:44

anchors So he writes like. There's

1:21:47

no reason be salty about any of it as

1:21:49

as there's no reason result of that We heard

1:21:51

what you cooked in the studio bro A If

1:21:54

you have to go through that five more times

1:21:56

as are you back into that i've rattling and

1:21:58

you got you can offer like not. Daniela

1:22:00

That. Usually

1:22:02

don't get mad when the situation that god

1:22:05

was sharpening you against jobs because it was

1:22:07

a hard place. but as you sharpening that

1:22:09

sort of because when you stand before your

1:22:11

enemies next just like I know sounds cheesy.

1:22:14

but go who's now fighting or get what

1:22:16

you like sense. Trunks is

1:22:18

fighting in the future away. Deadlier demon that he's

1:22:20

fighting now. So when he's fighting freezer from back

1:22:22

in a day goes year old is an illness

1:22:25

and new enemies with is your you their your

1:22:27

the bench that I said on so but I

1:22:29

know that little job back in the day was

1:22:31

like.i want to be like this and I want

1:22:34

to be this great I want to do are

1:22:36

you want to be that great risk from Hamburg

1:22:38

Man. That. Comes with a journey

1:22:40

scope. And did you talk

1:22:42

about learner? Just. Sure, so

1:22:45

Gilroy for those he does it might not

1:22:47

know. He is just ah I see him

1:22:49

as a the in his in the realm

1:22:51

of like Justin Bieber but a little bit

1:22:53

more. Was a gangster

1:22:55

little really gonna ride motility s or

1:22:57

it is and talk to me about

1:22:59

that is I'll I've got to. Work.

1:23:02

Alongside when he's doing his music videos or

1:23:04

I got to see him work as an

1:23:06

artist and and on I love him as a

1:23:09

human. I think you just this kid is

1:23:11

is like very bright happy was doing his

1:23:13

thing now as somebody who's working with him

1:23:15

or excited about as new stuff coming out. what

1:23:17

were your this yeah on. Yeah.

1:23:19

We'll we'll do a thing where we send

1:23:21

whatever we say to him to be okay

1:23:24

to approve or whatever says when we should

1:23:26

have known with know if is the oldest

1:23:28

of that issue is that is where guys

1:23:30

with. He was. He walks

1:23:32

in this. I. Went to

1:23:34

the Grammys with meme meme A Worse

1:23:36

the crew loose we all went to

1:23:38

The Grams and we were nominated for

1:23:40

I'm. Song of Year Album The Or

1:23:42

for Dumpty, The Reckless Whole Worship for record of

1:23:44

your an Ounce or Album of the Year Record

1:23:47

of the Year for You and I'm raise my

1:23:49

gonna Who passed by the Isis is as you

1:23:51

see that phone call. That's the craziest thing an

1:23:53

artist could possibly be. Not we decide we are.

1:23:55

We decided to do the whole thing because it

1:23:58

was like i want to be more great. And

1:24:00

this is all. A hoot nanny

1:24:02

of foolishness. but let's just have one thirty.

1:24:04

My wife wanted extravagant a This will be

1:24:06

really fun to just participate in the stupendous

1:24:08

of it's So we. And. As good as

1:24:10

his record, the Grammys is just as like you

1:24:13

get their nine Worry whether this I'm. Sorry

1:24:16

but our it says he saw that as he

1:24:18

likes to because as I say this is settle

1:24:20

on the sale next year. I said it. Was

1:24:24

grandmother's where he says he wrote

1:24:26

overdue I'm. I bring our you

1:24:28

don't have an overdose of a learn I loro It.

1:24:32

Is. I got a phone call the said that he.

1:24:35

From. My boy s and mean as we

1:24:37

came up in the same goes with visa.

1:24:39

On. Real writer so talented we you realize

1:24:42

that are by of years while I'm around

1:24:44

so many talented people who are duplicates. Name

1:24:46

to lift up in whatever but he call mean he

1:24:49

was like yo. I'm. I

1:24:51

have the same manager now as the Roy and I

1:24:53

think Zora once again for a couple days and I

1:24:55

think someone asked him who he wanted he was like

1:24:57

yo you should do with me I this would be

1:24:59

fun to do I know you're know you're never in

1:25:01

a way and were you there for the grammys maybe

1:25:03

we do one day with him into see how ghosts

1:25:05

of I guess are like. Let's rock

1:25:07

and. Man. What a

1:25:10

talented is like. I

1:25:12

wasn't completely wilbur somewhat. he was doing

1:25:14

bill without his besides and besides but

1:25:16

he knows what he was. He's A

1:25:19

he's so talented is free to scan

1:25:21

game scanning is like. Someone. Frozen

1:25:23

a beaten just scam and then use the

1:25:25

engineer mighty chunks or as you might understand

1:25:27

where the scan came from is like this

1:25:29

natural thing that comes out and and there's

1:25:32

an impossible thing that happened and you can

1:25:34

whatever whatever his standings all it's really and

1:25:36

like is is crazy when if will scan

1:25:38

basilica recycling as like free sound but like

1:25:40

I would say i just like a much

1:25:42

higher level be the owner soooo every com

1:25:44

know like no one free that is It

1:25:47

happens at a much higher levels like it's.

1:25:50

It's. Like. Or.

1:25:52

Not he got a much higher levels, just a stream

1:25:54

of consciousness of like what you're imagining the song is

1:25:56

While was into the song and same time ago I

1:25:58

had a pockets of business. Little the

1:26:01

lobby juice world. he comes from the world. As usual

1:26:03

he knew just as I'm pretty sure he was

1:26:05

like super home is would use well before it

1:26:07

passes that whole thing I don't even know. I think

1:26:09

that emerged in there is a doctor a documentary

1:26:11

coming out that the film cover all that which

1:26:13

I'm not too well versed on know him super well

1:26:15

but as a musician in the studio was like.

1:26:18

Oh. Wow, he's very concerned about the music I'm been

1:26:20

it would a lot of people have been to say

1:26:22

that up. I mean that he's he's super super. Tell

1:26:24

the he was right in a room he likes. Now.

1:26:26

I'm not sad. Anymore and it would be a

1:26:29

lie to be awesome. Sad voice it. So I

1:26:31

was like whoa and he twenty. For.

1:26:33

Him not to be like this is my art my

1:26:35

can't change who I am and citizens it as the

1:26:37

to expect from a twenty year old kid your and

1:26:39

that's exactly what he was. Lights. Your

1:26:42

one? like have fun, I want people to

1:26:44

like, be joyful, and I'm and I'm ready to

1:26:46

step into that number, Stand on business in, and

1:26:48

and do that. Not. Goliath that's an

1:26:50

artist yeah and he started messing all the things

1:26:52

that he's inspired by simulating Neptunes and the Frail

1:26:54

and them both and thing that is as soon

1:26:57

as like I know about that for our group

1:26:59

that has a list of into some stuff and

1:27:01

and what inspired me in and he was institute

1:27:03

and we just ended up hookers and wilde ship.

1:27:05

If it works out it works out or even

1:27:08

or the photo come out but if the song

1:27:10

comes out a does well. As.

1:27:12

Some this great stuff, some good music.

1:27:14

How's the writing process? whether it's with them

1:27:17

or with somebody else is what's the what's

1:27:19

the writing process In a way where you

1:27:21

sit down with an artist and they they

1:27:23

come to you with may be ideas of

1:27:25

somewhere that they want to nail and a

1:27:27

certain story line there neuronal. Sometimes artist or

1:27:29

like say made me and I'll I'll be back

1:27:31

and seven month. Or

1:27:34

got it all. And five days my my say

1:27:36

god because. I don't

1:27:38

really just want. I woke up and it was a

1:27:40

felt like was right there. Were

1:27:44

several. God.

1:27:48

God doesn't. Exist

1:27:51

So I also think my

1:27:53

age. Jersey originally

1:27:55

people like I don't have owner of

1:27:57

the.but as I went out and sometimes.

1:28:00

The artist they'll be ours that I've worked with

1:28:02

where you're just walking and be great and they

1:28:04

just need somebody in the room to just be

1:28:06

a sounding board of being like while you're amazing.

1:28:08

I have some the sometimes which is why it's

1:28:10

not crazy to get. To. Get caught up

1:28:12

over splits begins or and I have before I

1:28:15

have gotten like I did so much on the

1:28:17

that dubbed on a full that courses put on.

1:28:19

Some artists, they're just incredible and they

1:28:22

need people in the room to encourage

1:28:24

them. Another another, artists. Or. Gray a

1:28:26

nurse and they pick really good songs and they understand who

1:28:28

can give them great product and then they give you a

1:28:30

general direction and they wanted to soundlessly any do that for

1:28:32

them to. So it's like. A process

1:28:34

is completely different with every once in a couponing

1:28:37

li different situations which is again is another reason

1:28:39

why like the production writing side of it being

1:28:41

able to do it for so long to be

1:28:43

surrounded by so army p nappy ten rocks. The.

1:28:46

Julie My was a world

1:28:48

like. The masses and strangers

1:28:50

of the world. The pilots of the world.

1:28:52

The. Lot. I haven't

1:28:54

even work with them before, but the Blake's of the

1:28:56

world in the olmert than that, there's like. Oh

1:28:59

my gosh, Alex imposes of the world and there's

1:29:01

so many talented and of not saying any both

1:29:03

names is not thinking about right? Albus. I.

1:29:05

Forgot my point I talking about how

1:29:08

talented everybody was on. His.

1:29:10

It's much different. It's much different every single time

1:29:12

if there is no formula and there is no

1:29:14

way to like quantify it. which is actually why

1:29:16

splits are so hard and why. Credit.

1:29:19

And band split up and all the stuff is your

1:29:21

like making a lightning out of a bottle every day

1:29:23

out for someone to be like. I'm the reason that

1:29:25

the lightnings in there and I deserved thirty six percent.

1:29:27

This is like you're just justifying what you think you

1:29:29

since you think because that's what you believe your some

1:29:31

respects I use I rented should the labels be given

1:29:33

a six points to. Boomerang, In

1:29:35

our had to guess what? I'm Chinese

1:29:38

culture and the Ceos like you can

1:29:40

have six points. The seat of a

1:29:42

lotta yadda giving us a label. Giving

1:29:44

us a label. g Being a producer,

1:29:47

six points out of a hundred is

1:29:49

the equivalent of them sitting on a

1:29:51

cow. And the U

1:29:53

S C fight is happening and they go drop us

1:29:55

one states in the middle of the ring and eight

1:29:57

till the six producers who work in the song. Six.

1:30:00

There's one is us. Go fight for it. Figure it

1:30:02

out. And everyone was. A

1:30:04

little sad a piece on the end because I've

1:30:06

made most of the song. And you go to like. Idiots

1:30:09

we have? Maybe. Seven points and they're

1:30:11

fighting for three. Anything to be should be

1:30:13

grateful if we give them seven instead of

1:30:15

six Autobots. you're more on. That's literally what

1:30:18

they're all think. She's laughing hysterically while we're

1:30:20

in the basement like my soul. When I'm

1:30:22

just trying to present myself and all the

1:30:24

culture and how to change course it does

1:30:26

look. great job to do with it. Give

1:30:29

us more so he can get names and

1:30:31

preserve it. For. Argument saying

1:30:33

that isn't violence since to spur somebody

1:30:35

is I'm sorry. I'm sorry. For.

1:30:38

Someone to be a producer. You know how

1:30:40

many hours? I'm sorry you're sitting at that

1:30:42

chair and your your backs hunched over cause

1:30:44

you've done it for so many hours. for

1:30:46

the new to finally get an opportunity to

1:30:48

work with a big orders and label says

1:30:50

you're lucky to be working with them years.

1:30:52

Two points. Go Flying Fuck yourself. Go flying

1:30:54

Fuck yourself. Not cool Bro Not cool bro.

1:30:56

Have seen it, I've done it, I've participated

1:30:59

in it and it's crazy. So waters ago,

1:31:01

melee born. They can the in and change

1:31:03

the way that the game is. Yet Tory

1:31:05

kids will retaliate our the did you do

1:31:07

that. Almost.

1:31:09

Two years ago is is hurt Anybody on your mind

1:31:11

that you're like okay cool let's is a okay So

1:31:14

granted a lot of artists that are working right now

1:31:16

and the lot of or to coming up in the

1:31:18

reason that the music industry is crushed is crumbling is

1:31:20

because these ours are getting fifty points. They're.

1:31:22

Getting to the point. But right now in

1:31:24

the industry, I'm talking about the industry of

1:31:26

writers and producers first of all. Furthermore, And.

1:31:29

Whatever, I'm not, I'm not a partisan and I'm

1:31:31

not. I'm just talking freely as or not finalized

1:31:33

with myself up the be the leader of Bit

1:31:35

of nothing. This is how I feel about us

1:31:37

as a writer. I should be get massive voice.

1:31:39

I should not be getting policy, should not be

1:31:41

getting bombers and we should we should get publicity.

1:31:43

We should have even splits an opposing the thought

1:31:45

we should be getting massive points as well to

1:31:47

not have that is this publishing you make money

1:31:49

at the radio. And will

1:31:52

lose the list leaves the radio someone is because the

1:31:54

still lot of money in advertising when you get a

1:31:56

hit record. As a writer you make money on the

1:31:58

publicity but as a writer you don't see the streaming

1:32:00

money because you don't get any points. And.

1:32:02

The little as one hundred of them. A

1:32:04

hundred of them if I rate of i write

1:32:06

holy for Justin Bieber and I have three points

1:32:08

on us off as a two million dollar song.

1:32:11

Out of three points there's a hundred. Oh shut

1:32:13

up. Shut up your it. Shut up. Set up

1:32:15

your it. Is Not the point. That's

1:32:17

not the point is that. The point

1:32:19

that we they were be a renaissance on

1:32:21

m. I didn't even plans they. Would be

1:32:23

a renaissance in music if the labels

1:32:25

if everybody gave the writers and the

1:32:27

producers more points because then we don't

1:32:29

have to make. That

1:32:32

much bullshit. we can Middle east room with

1:32:34

a little bullshit. says. Or said I

1:32:36

might I want to work with that I might not.

1:32:38

Every work with because is like I have a family

1:32:40

to feed Add things to do I have. I can't

1:32:42

just to do my passion progress can just do the

1:32:44

starting to die hungry. So if you wanna be a

1:32:46

leader provide for your family still wanna make music you're

1:32:48

gonna have to make some decisions to. Okay this isn't

1:32:50

the most like greatest thing I've ever worked on but

1:32:52

like men were my job as and lot of people

1:32:54

are numbers is now. They want to work artistically. Great

1:32:56

stuff. They do these producers they really want to work

1:32:58

but they also need to feed a family. So the

1:33:00

first ten years of them working on records working with

1:33:02

orders that they probably not want this. but if you

1:33:04

gave him twenty points. On the label size

1:33:06

labels. If. You're even here in the next

1:33:09

five years. You. Should be giving them

1:33:11

more boys because in the be inspired to work with

1:33:13

their favorite artist the big, their favorite music that doesn't

1:33:15

have someone some this on the radio own something about

1:33:17

the writer and producer industries that the writer producer just

1:33:19

for there goes that goes with acting as well with

1:33:21

a lot of people are like yo. I just wrote

1:33:23

the script. You. Made all this money and

1:33:26

I only got the fifty kg me to write

1:33:28

it. That's crazy crazy. What? Only. That's why there

1:33:30

was a sag stake you know for the writers and.

1:33:32

Okay, so let's just read this is on writers

1:33:34

and producers. No one's got no, but it's you

1:33:36

know how Mississauga asses to pay for as a

1:33:39

writer Producer for me to get dental for my

1:33:41

family. I'm. Okay, I'm making good

1:33:43

money. I've been successful, but I've had

1:33:45

to be juggernaut Olympian successful just. Just

1:33:47

to have benefits that. Normal. Could have

1:33:49

worked at a dentist office. guess and is

1:33:52

like noble is no way. Both the none

1:33:54

of these writers of Do Sullivan all ramen

1:33:56

noodles ramen noodles and of the oh by

1:33:58

the way. Artist whose

1:34:00

an enormous ours is gonna take ninety two percent of

1:34:02

the song you wrote. one hundred percent of your lucky

1:34:04

to have your a process It will give you your

1:34:06

first second your by your first home off of it.

1:34:08

But. Just be lucky blood. But then the artist

1:34:10

has been Rama Noodles. Will always

1:34:12

take that deal because they don't have any money

1:34:15

so you're putting them in up in a in

1:34:17

a rough position. that's a tough thing to do.

1:34:19

You also said something similar in the studio because

1:34:21

our local wanna she's as you're at a level

1:34:23

Just move on and this is this. Stuck with

1:34:25

me He said as i don't do it. The.

1:34:28

Hungry Kid that is right behind me in the

1:34:31

thousands that are lined up behind. As it is,